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Hasta la wiki siempre!

User:Yu Ninjie


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Interesting by china[edit]

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Localisation template.JPG

Hello, can you help me to make some shemas. I did some locative schema on the pic of right, I think that can be useful to have a picture template for each one. For the moment I did this : Localisation template (relative).png The more need is this cube with the 6 arrows. Mine is terriby ugly. Pleaaaaasse Help me !!! Yug 15:13, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're asking, and the picture is missing. :-) - Omegatron 15:18, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
Hmm... I'm not good at this stuff. You might want to try a vector program like Inkscape. It's the best I've found. Or go to Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Graphic artists and search for someone who will do requests. - Omegatron 16:15, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

Hello Yug.[edit]

Salut, je ne parle pas francais tres bien, mais mon copain il parle couramment le francais. He is learning Chinese (Mandarin) as well. Nice to meet you, and let me know if you ever need help with anything. --Silversmith Hewwo 10:14, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Modifying User:Tverbeek[edit]

  • I wasn't aware it was doing that, and it's not supposed to. Most of the time, it's been working fine. Strange. Thanks for the error message; hopefully that will help me figure out what's causing it. Tverbeek 23:14, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
you are welcome : that's wiki :) Yug 23:39, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Concubine Qi[edit]

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This article is part of a series on the
politics and government of
the Republic of China
Flag of the Republic of China.svg Taiwan portal

Hello Yug,

I just saw your request on my talk page for clarification of the article. Unfortunately, I am totally unaquainted with this topic. The changes I made were to restore the obvious chaos. I cleaned up much grammar and spelling, and tried to fix semantic errors by correlating with other sources (on-line).

One of those sources I consulted was the one you have quoted. I guess you are proposing it as an alternative or supplement to the second paragraph. As far as I can see, it is consistent, and one could argue it is clearer. The only (small) criticism I would make is that the article should focus more on Concubine Qi and not Liu Bang.

I'm sorry but I can't really help, because it is too difficult for me to make the article clearer without the risk of creating false information. Furthermore, my French is extremely limited so I'm not much use for translating either. Mister Farkas 21:15, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

re: Earth[edit]

I'm fine with the change now that you actually created the page... But I think you should have created it first and linked to it only afterwards to avoid any misunderstanding. Also, I think the name Earth's structure was a bit unwieldy and against Wikipedia's naming conventions, so I've moved the page to Structure of the Earth. - ulayiti (talk) 12:45, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

France in the American Revolutionary War[edit]

Voir AKeen 23:01, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

French Translations[edit]

Pour plus de traductions: Wikipedia:Translators_available#French-to-English et Wikipedia:Translation_into_English#French-to-English. Malheureusement, je n'ai pas la facilité pour d'autres articles. - AKeen 16:36, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Help! [Regarding the Paris Riots article][edit]

I would like to ask for help. I am trying to put together a Historical Context section to be placed ahead of the "Immediate Cause" section in the English article for the riots.

It seems that unrest has been growing in the rioting areas for a while now, due to unemployment, standard of living, etc.. So I wanted to put together a "Historical Context" that explains the grievances of the rioters and why the deaths of those 2 youths was able to trigger all of this. Because right now, the article doesn't explain why the rioters are mad. The only problem is that I can't find online news coverage in English.

Do any of you know of English sites for any of your newspapers? I personally wouldn't mind using sources with only French words, but some of the editors on the English site are being picky so it will be easier if I can find something in English........

Any help appreciated..... I need English sources that deal with events at least up to 5 years ago, in order to provide context in this section I'm trying to put together.

-AntelopeInSearchOfTruth [5:12 pm (Pacific Time), Nov 6th]


Dear Yug. I saw your message on Shauri's talkpage. Her smiles will soon shine on Wikipedia again :).--Wiglaf 08:02, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Commons maps[edit]

Hi there! Thanks for your note. I will peruse, upload, and tag 'em in the next couple days, if that's OK. If desired, I can also 'francophy' them? I actually wish the Commons was the 'sole' repository for media storage, thereby precluding dupes in Wp. Merci! :) E Pluribus Anthony 15:06, 10 December 2005 (UTC)


Hi, you might want to consider that the information in your edit is already covered in the preexisting Culture section of the Taiwan article, making it somewhat redundant. -Loren 19:41, 12 December 2005 (UTC)


Please stop adding nonsense to Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you.

Spanish Speaking Map[edit]

Dear Yug, I think your map is good and I won't change it. Brazil is neutralized and U.S. situation is clearly stated.:) Best regards, Marco Neves 16:12, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

I dont agree the map althought ur map states where spanish is mainly spoken in the United States the United States has no offical lanuage and since spanish is too speard even though more people speak it in those parts its hard put in a very accurate map where it is spoken everywhere in the US especially. so stating that spanish is ONLY spoken in that part of the US is non sense. That why my map is better it shows which countries reconize Spanish speakers and which dont. Based off CIA world fact book which says after portuguese Spanish is one of the lanuages of Brazil.


Map of French colonial empires[edit]

I am not sure what you mean by "sources". I did the map using my knowledge of French colonial history. I don't think I have forgotten anything on the map. The only way I could think of improving the map would be to show all the islands colonized by France by making them more prominent on the map, as their small size make them totally invisible on the map at the moment. Maybe a blue circle around each island would do, such as was done at Image:Map-Francophone World.png. I have been thinking about it for some time, and will make changes as soon as I have time. Hardouin 16:14, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

For Canada you can check the Atlas Historique of the Encyclopédie Universalis. You can also check this webpage: [1] Hardouin 16:41, 27 December 2005 (UTC)


I notice you support this image. Since it is not accepted at the main userbox, I have created an alternative for it: Template:User_firefox1. Enjoy! Ian13ID:540053 19:23, 31 December 2005 (UTC)


English teacher in Taiwan .

Spanish map, Western Sahara portal, etc.[edit]

===>Thanks I appreciate your recognition of the Western Sahara portal. I'm on my way, but it's still not quite all that I want it to be. As for WS as a Spanish-speaking territory, it is true that Spanish was largely spoken during colonization, but it's largely fallen out of favor with the Sahrawi population. It's not as drastic as the situation in the Philippines, but Spanish (in addition to Arabic) is largely spoken by the older generations, and Arabic only by the younger. For instance, Uruguay recently recognized the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic using the justification of them both being Hispanic peoples. Furthermore, many Spanish-speaking Sahrawis live in the refugee camps in Tindouf, Algeria, so I'm not sure how that fits into your map exactly... Just so you know, I've never actually been to Taiwan, and consequently never taught English there, but summer, 2007 is a possibility... Nice meeting you, hasta luego. Justin (koavf) 19:32, 1 January 2006 (UTC)


Salut, comment ça va? First, I want to thank you for your contibutions in the "Roman Republic" article. Sometimes it´s quite boring to improve this article "single-handedly" (as you can confirm by the history). But I have to critize you (constructably). You are including a lot of treaties, and that is fine, but as I followed the links they are almost nothing (in other words a very small stub) and were in fact created by you.

You should expand these articles, or if there is not sufficient material, make a single article, like a list, under a "good title" like "roman peace treaties" or something similar. Perhaps there is somthing like that allready, search for it first. Don´t be too eager to make new articles who are almost nothing, as sometimes they will be deleted (I am not planning to delete them) or worse, simply ignored. If you want ask any questions please make so. Flamarande 11:38, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

P.S. I read your page and I am a bit confused are you french or chinese? Or something else?

Another thing, the Marian reforms are known by that name, don´t change that article to Marian military reforms. Flamarande 12:22, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Quick response; I improved your page, I hope you you don´t mind, I really think that you should write a single article about all the peace treaties of Rome. Add also your references, your "sources", if it is a book write down the ISBN.

BUT most importantly, study for your test tomorrow, and I mean NOW :) I myself flunked too much tests for not studying enough. Sad but true Flamarande 13:00, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Possible impersonation[edit]

Hello. Anonymous user (talkcontribs) has manually signed a comment as you in Talk:Portuguese language (see diff). Could you please confirm whether you're the author of this message? Thank you! ≈ Ekevu (, ) 13:49, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Lusophone World[edit]

Hi, thanks for the improvement! It's just that I've got a question: Why is it that only Portugal and Brazil are painted in dark green while all the other Portuguese speaking countries in light green? I've also posted this question on the talk page of the article "Portuguese Language". Have a good day! Qrfqr 07:12, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I saw your message on my duscussion page. Your reply brought us a very interesting question: How do we define a "truely native Portuguese speaking country"? I think that it is an question which is not easy to be answered. For example, native Mandarin speakers in Taiwan take no more than 20% of its total population. Is Taiwan a "truely native Mandarin speaking country/region? (Well, whether it is a country or a region is another question which I think is not related with our discussion here very much.) There are many French speaking countries in Africa. If we refer to any one of them as "not truely native French speaking country", I do not know how a native French speaker in that country would think about such "tag" or comment. As I have said, I have never been to Angola, but according to Wikipedia, more than half of the Angolan people speak Portuguese as their first language. How much should the percentage be to make a country a "truely native Portuguese speaking country"? Or are there any better definitions? I just simply hope that it is not decided by the geographic or ethnic factors of a country. Have a good day! Qrfqr 20:10, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Allô! Your proposal is very good. But I lack the relative knowledge, too. Qu'on puisse trouver plus information sur ce sujet. Bonne journée! Qrfqr 17:18, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Featured picture candidate[edit]

I have nominated a picture you have created on commons, Image:Pregnancy.gif, as a featured picture candidate. The nomination is at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Pregnancy.gif. --Pkchan 12:45, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

France & Revolution Article[edit]

'Lo: VJS here. Wanted to apologize in re: France's Contribution to the American Revolution. I didn't realize that it was still an article in progress. I will be happy to contribute once it is finished. Incidentally, you might want to consider a particular section on the French Admiralty particularly DeGrasse.--V. Joe 19:39, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: Hello[edit]

I had no idea you had to wait a minute, but I reverted it because there's no need for that information in the see also section. There was already a link to notable tropical cyclones at the top. Supertyphoon is a stub article, and there wasn't a need to link to it there. If you need a link to Super typhoon, you should do it somewhere further to the top in the article. In addition, Super typhoon isn't even an official term. I don't think a link to Tip is needed, as that would require all super typhoons to have a link to Tip, something not needed. Would all Category 5's in the Atlantic require a link to Wilma? I would think that is useless. That is why I reverted your edit. I hope you take no offense to it, but I saw no need for it. Hurricanehink (talk) 17:40, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Just so you know, there more than 2 super typhoons in the history of the Western Pacific. There are typically more than 2 in one season. In fact, there have been 33 since 2000. That is the main reason why I removed it. They are a relatively common event. Hurricanehink (talk) 19:25, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Bonjour de France[edit]

Je me permets de vous écrire sur cette page car vous avez bloqué mon IP en France et je ne peux donc pas vous y répondre.

En effet, je lis sur ma page :

Votre compte utilisateur ou votre adresse IP ont été bloqués par Yug pour la raison suivante : restauration du blocage avec "Bloquer uniquement les utilisateurs anonymes", pour ne pas géner les autres utilisateur logué.. Vous pouvez contacter Yug ou un des autres administrateurs pour en discuter. Vous pouvez aussi laisser un message sur votre page de discussion pour l'administrateur qui vous a bloqué. Veuillez noter que vous ne pouvez utiliser la fonction de courriel si vous n'avez pas enregistré une adresse de courriel valide dans vos préférences. Votre adresse IP est Merci d'inclure cette adresse dans toutes vos requêtes.

Comme l'indique la procédure, j'ai donc rédigé un message sur ma page de discussion :

Bonjour Monsieur. Je viens de prendre connaissance de votre blocage. La création de cette page avait pour unique objet d'éviter d'aller sur la page identique de la wikipedia anglaise. Aussi, je ne comprends pas votre blocage. Je devine qu'il doit y avoir un réglement de la wikipedia française qui interdit de recopier une page de la wikipedia anglaise mais je n'avais pas connaissance de ce réglement. Pourtant j'avais essayé de bien faire en me limitant à une recopie stricto sensu. Je continuerai donc à aller sur la wikipedia anglaise et je vous serais reconnaissant de débloquer mon compte sur la wikipedia française en acceptant mes excuses de n'avoir pas deviné le fonctionnement de la wikipedia française. Kingstonjr 19 septembre 2006 à 11:13 (CEST)

N'ayant pas eu de réponse à ce message, je me permets donc de vous écrire ici. Merci de votre compréhension, et désolé encore de n'avoir pas saisi le fonctionnement des liens entre wikis. Cordialement.

Bonsoir Monsieur. Je viens de prendre connaissance de votre réponse dont je vous remercie. Je précise que je suis nouveau sur la wikipedia et que je ne me suis rendu compte à aucun moment que je faisais quelque chose d'interdit en recopiant des informations de la wikipedia anglaise vers la wikipedia française. Je vous remercie d'avoir reconnu ma politesse et vous demande l'indulgence pour le débutant que je suis. Je comprends maintenant que c'était interdit et bien sûr je m'engage à ne pas recommencer. De mon point de vue, il ne s'agissait toutefois que de faire un lien vers une page du wiki anglais. Je viens de relire le réglement et je n'ai pas trouvé ce qui était répréhensible. Je ne connais en rien les différences qui régissent la réglementation de ces deux wikipedia, aussi je reconnais mon incompétence. Cette page de la wikipedia angalise m'avait été montrée par un collègue anglais qui travaille avec moi ici (c'est un centre universitaire où nous sommes nombreux, de jour et de nuit). Après avoir discuté avec un informaticien, je viens de comprendre qu'en me bloquant, suite à ma malencontreuse manoeuvre, vous aviez bloqué mes autres collègues qui contribuent aux deux wikipedias tant anglaise que française. Je vous prie encore une fois d'accepter mes excuses et j'espère que vous voudrez bien débloquer cette issue. Je vous en serais reconnaissant. Merci d'avoir pris le temps de me lire. Et bravo pour ces deux wikipedias que je découvre petit à petit.


Summary : only the keys to understand[edit]

Hello, I did User:Yug/Wars when I prepared my history exam, I think you can use this page to start a “Concise Roman military History” readable in 5 minutes. I think a such convenient think is need, If you (one other people) agree, I think we have to do so :] . Yug (talk) 18:20, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi, the Campaign history of the Roman military article is more complete that that list, and I don't think wikipedia normally do "concise" versions of articles, cutting out some info - i thinkthe emphasis is normally to present as much information as possible, and make it quick and easy tor ead by providing navigable sections and sub-pages rather than simply removing content, so I don't think I agree with the creation of a "concise" version of the article. Cheers - PocklingtonDan 19:46, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Dragon World[edit]

Please see Talk:Dragon World dispute for your vote on whether we should keep the Human (Dragon World) article or have it merged into Dragon World. Thanks! Power level (Dragon Ball) 15:42, 4 December 2006 (UTC)


Thank you for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked, and it has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you may want to do. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia.--Esprit15d (talk ¤ contribs) 19:23, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Article moves[edit]

YOu are currently moving tons of articles, projects, etc... from the French Wikipedia. While coordinating the wikis is great, doing text dumps that are incomplete and still in teh original language is not. This is cluttering the English wikipedia, and creating a lot of work of admins and editors alike. Before you import info from another wiki, you should translate it first, clean it up and make sure such information doesn't already exist in the English wikipedia. Also, please name the article correctly - this creates unecessary additional steps as well.--Esprit15d (talk ¤ contribs) 19:30, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Please stop dumping information from the French Wikipedia here before translating it. As Esprit15d said, it's cluttering up the English Wikipedia. May I suggest creating and using sandboxes in your userspace to translate the information before adding it to the English Wikipedia? -- DiegoTehMexican 19:40, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

News : Big Copy Past from the FRench Wikipedia[edit]

I, Yug, administrator on the french Wikipedia, Work by this way because, after 6 month of reflexion, I found that this way is the most convenient way to translate the French fr:WP:AG to the English wiki.
Please : wait 2 weeks before to juge this work. Yug (talk) 19:43, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Will you please put any pages copied from the French Wikipedia into article titles beginning with "user:Yug/", such as user:Yug/sandbox. -- RHaworth 19:46, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Let 2 week to do the work. Yug (talk) 19:48, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

It is very rude to remove someone elses comment from your talk page. Did you read my message? Use your own User:Yug space and you can have two months or two years to do the work. -- RHaworth 19:51, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Please, when you don't know what you do don't do it. I'm also an admin on Wiki fr. If you do the move, I agree to let it to you. Yug (talk) 19:53, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

To set you a good example, I have moved User:Yug/Wikipédia:Atelier graphique/Arborescence. I assure you, I know very well what I am doing and what the conventions are in this Wikipedia. -- RHaworth 19:57, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

You can delete all what I did today. I had motivation to do this work, because I think the Wiki-en can do an amazing work if they have a Graphic Workshop. Probleme, your wiki is now a So Big wiki, that even when users do something good, it is always one of the ten thousand user to stop you. I agree to share, no to get conflics for your good.

Continue to spend 6 more months with your childish rules and without a true Graphic Workshop.

good bye. Yug (talk) 20:04, 4 December 2006 (UTC) a good user who want improve your wiki-en.

My dear boy, I wonder if you have actually read what I wrote. Did I anywhere reject your work? No, I merely asked you to do it somewhere else but still within the scope of the English Wikipedia - is that too difficult for you to understand? In any case, when translated, is this stuff intended for the (Main) namespace or the Wikipedia: namespace? -- RHaworth 20:11, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Or to put that another way: do you understand the difference on the French Wikipedia between the (principal), Utilisateur and Wikipédia namespaces? If so, why do you not accept that exactly the same differences apply here except with different names? -- RHaworth 20:57, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Graphic Lab[edit]

Hi, I notice you've moved this into Wikipedia project space and started posting announcements about it. You may want to consider posting an announcement on Wikipedia:Community Portal by editing Template:Announcements/Community bulletin board – this is the place that is likely to attract most attention. I also suggest you set up a shortcut page to redirect to it (as WP:AG does on the French Wikipedia) – perhaps WP:GL in this case? – Gurch 07:06, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

More Wikipedia:Graphic Lab[edit]

Hello. At WP:WPTC we use some custom software to generate hurricane track maps that could be useful for you. The software used is Jdorje's track map generator, and uses Image:Whole world - land and oceans.jpg as the background. However, for world maps, you could also use any of the NASA Blue Marble maps, particularly the Blue Marble Next Generation backgrounds. I'm not really sure if that helps or not, but you may be interested in knowing... Titoxd(?!?) 05:17, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Vulpes cana[edit]

Hi. I drew another distribution map. Care to have a look? Lycaon 11:46, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Map colours[edit]

I guess you're right to prefer PNG for distribution maps: they normally don't contain text and will only be scaled down, so two of the main advantages of SVG drop out (BTW, Je ne suis pas francophone, mais néerlandophone, même Flamand. Désormais se comprends presque tout en français, mais l'écrire c'est une autre chose...).
Concerning colours, if you can spare me some time, I'm a bit busy at the moment, but soon the Xmas holidays start... :-) Lycaon 19:57, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Goguryeo-Sui Wars[edit]

Thanks for your comment on my page, but I strongly disagree with your renaming. The later Tang-Silla invasions of Baekje-Goguryeo is really a separate war. It doesn't make sense, because if you call it Goguryeo-China Wars, the article should include all wars between Goguryeo and China, including the wars against the Four Han Colonies, all the way through Goguryeo's fall. The article as-is, is not about that, it's really about the war between Goguryeo and the Sui Dynasty, which itself is a major, specific topic that should have its own article. If you wants to create another article on the Tang-Silla invasions of Baekje-Goguryeo, that's fine with me, but don't hijack an existing article on a different topic. Thanks.OpieNn 19:42, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Allez a la page Talk:Goguryeo-Sui wars,je te laisse des messages.--Ksyrie 15:46, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
A mon avis,il ne faisait pas le bien pour promouvoir des qualites de stub.Dans ce cas la,tu peut trouver autres solutions comme creer des stub nouveau toimeme sans que sollicite son avis--Ksyrie 16:05, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Ca me fait plaisir de ton bonne vacance a wikipedia.C'est la premiere foi je me sens de la humanite a wiki!De temps en temps,le wiki se resemmles comme un champ de bataile,pas de sympathie ,et trop rigoureux.Mon conseille,on cree les stubs nousmeme,et on le demande de faire ses excuses a toi.ok?--Ksyrie 16:27, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
C'est genial de trouver quelqu'un de meme ecole a wiki,le monde est trop petit,surtout le monde de wiki,lol.Moi,je suis en train de creer le stub Sino-French relations dont je pense tres important,si tu t'interesses a celui,aide moi un peu.A+--Ksyrie 00:49, 28 December 2006 (UTC).

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, history of science and technology in China, was selected for DYK![edit]

Updated DYK query On February 9, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article history of science and technology in China, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 00:00, 10 February 2007 (UTC)


vous etes tellement un wikicrazy fan.Je suis heureux de recevoir ton message.--Ksyrie 20:11, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

French India[edit]

We're talking about one of your maps over in Talk:French_India, want to join in? Kmusser 15:17, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

re: Chinese seal[edit]

lol. I'm flattered. --Sumple (Talk) 01:30, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Chinese Fonts[edit]

Hello there.

I've looked into the project, and actually questioned the necessity of including those four types of script into which.

First, there is NO stroke orders for 行書 and 草書. I repeat, NO stroke orders. These two scripts are not rigid; they are handwritten, artistic. For every individual, there exists a unique manner of writing, which, of course, including where to start writing a character and when to end it. The computer fonts for 行書 and 草書 are there for their aesthetic value, but you have to realize that they are in no way representing a regulated form of both scripts; in fact, there are dozens of fonts available already nowadays dedicated to both scripts, each of them with different "tilts", or to say, coming in different fashions. Hence it will be improper to include both scripts into the project.

Second, about 篆書. I am a native Chinese, and actually, I don't know the proper stroke orders for 篆書; the basic elements of writing in that script is totally different from the daily script we common people learn and use now, ie. 楷書. I looked into your self-introduction and, no offense meant but, I'm worry about whether you could offer correct information on this aspect. People with expertise in the calligraphy of this script is needed to ensure the validity of the information distributed.

Last, I also cannot see the necessity to include 隸書 in. In terms of stroke orders, I'd say more than 95% of 隸書 is identical to how things are in 楷書; the difference between 隸書 and 楷書 is majorly in the maneuvering of the brush, not in characters themselves. Being plain, I could not see many benefits in including 隸書 as well.

If the above is not your intention however, please elaborate me more on your idea, and I will see how I can be of help. -- G.S.K.Lee 15:42, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Spanish in the Philippines[edit]

The most reliable, current source, is Ethnologue which states that there are 2,658 native speakers of Spanish. I read that an an old source, the 1970 census, says that 3% of Filipinos at the time spoke Spanish as either a first or second language. But there are no figures for the 2000, 1995, and 1990 censuses. --Chris S. 21:08, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Graphic Lab[edit]

Since you seem to be one of the Graphic's Lab's leaders, I thought I would bring to your attention my response to this Talk post. I would greatly appreciate your feedback on my suggestion. Thanks! MithrandirMageT 16:08, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Article name[edit]

  • The correct name is "Encyclopedia of Life" (EOL) not "The Encyclopedia of Life". BirdHunters 12:21, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
For example: Encyclopædia Britannica the word "THE" goes in the first sentence not the name, please move the article back. In addition, you did not "Merge" the articles you did a #REDIRECT, these articles should be merged properly this time. Thank you BirdHunters 12:29, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
With respect, in future, please discuss moves on the article talk page to get a consensus. Now that the article is Moved I cannot go back and get the original EOL article with the work that was done. Thanks BirdHunters 12:49, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Please stop[edit]

Please stop placing inapproprite content on my talk page, and please stop accusing me of... well, whatever "rusy reverts" is supposed to be. Exploding Boy 20:55, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Please stop placing that template on the Talk:Stroke order page. This is your final warning on the subject. It is offensive and inflammatory, and it is not helping the discussion. Assume good faith, and let's get on with editing. Exploding Boy 21:15, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Yug, I've asked you repeatedly. Please remove that offensive and disruptive image from the Talk:Stroke order page, and please don't put it on my talk page either. I don't want you blocked, I just want you to stop overreacting, and to stop being disruptive. Please remove it voluntarily, otherwise (1) I don't see how we can work together, and (2) you may very well end up being blocked. Exploding Boy 21:36, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

I can see that you're upset, but please avoid using those sorts of templates, images, and divs unless it's absolutely necessary. You might consider Wikipedia's dispute resolution process -- working together with others is very important to this project, and I'd appreciate it if the two of you (I'm sure Exploding Boy will read this message, as well) would work together. – Luna Santin (talk) 21:43, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Yug: you've left EIGHT (8!!) messages on my talk page in the last 20 seconds. Please. Stop. I really can't discuss anything with you until you remove that disruptive template or image from the Talk:Stroke order page and calm down a little. Exploding Boy 21:48, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Anybody else looking over this should see User talk:Luna Santin#Hello +Stroke order. As promised, you're blocked for 24 hours after a few requests/warnings to avoid using that div. That's unfortunate. I'll happily lessen or remove the block if you agree to avoid using it. Other than that, I hope this can be resolved. Thank you for your time, and your consideration. Exploding Boy seems to have agreed to review your changes, I'll see if I can watch and make sure that happens. – Luna Santin (talk) 22:38, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Luna Santin : can you had this to Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive258#User:Yug_adding_disruptive_templates_to_talk_pages :

first : I think it is not fair to talk here about me without notice me. I asked you for two day to start a WP:RfC. Instead, you come here find other admins help, with the statement "User:Yug adding disruptive templates".
Second: my edits in stroke order are : delete misleading contents (fully explained in the talk page) in good English, and replace it by better content with English mistakes. Explodin boy don't like this : What is the solutions ? Revert, or spelling correction ?
Third : For the last 2 weeks, EB choice the first way : to make hasty an full reverts. He made no edition onto user:yug/Stroke order.
Fourth : the "disruptive template" is a div + an image to underline why I'm in opposition with exploding boy, this div and image is what exploding boy want revert.
That is why we are in the current situation. --Yug (talk) 22:46, 11 June 2007 (UTC) <I'm admin in Fr and Commons><ok : good night everyone !>
Done. – Luna Santin (talk) 22:50, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello, again[edit]

EB seems to be interested in moving User:Yug/Stroke order to Talk:Stroke order/Temp, as he feels it'll be more inviting for all users to participate, there. He's also said he'll be much more willing to work with you, if you avoid replacing that particular div -- I've asked him to give it a shot, anyway, but would also appreciate it if you put in the good-faith effort to work with him. – Luna Santin (talk) 00:27, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

June 14[edit]

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Yug, again

Exploding Boy 18:35, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

June 15[edit]

While there's absolutely no need at all to put a box around your comments on a talk page (that's not standard here on En.Wikipdia, and I'm willing to bet it's not on Fr.Wikipedia either) and I would still prefer that you removed the border completely, now that you've removed the background it's far less noticeable. I'm willing to work with this albeit less than perfect situation, however I still believe that you deserve a second, longer block for your disruptive behaviour, and that you should know better as an admin yourself.
I'm glad to see that you have finally accepted that reverting your bad English is necessary. As I've been saying all along: please discuss your proposed changes before making them in the article.
By the way, I'm not "watching the page" as an admin. I'm participating in editing the article. Or at least, if you've accepted that your changes need discussing before you make them, that's what I'll be doing. Exploding Boy 15:39, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
According to the fact I spended hours and hours thinking and writing sections about stroke order across history, or correcting the article on CJK strokes, merging the sentences about Stroke order. When I warned the talk:Stroke order page, and then in the edit summary box why I did this. And when I got again a quick revert, saying this time "revert mysteriously deleted sections"... Yes, I think the div, the background, and the image was need. As I explain : I wanted to stop to lost my time, when you just click on "undo".
I did this for a reason. To make you understand why I wish this changes (see the list of points), and to make you understand that hasty revert with hasty comment "revert mysteriously deleted sections" is not a solution, especialy when you face to an other admin(, and a french one !).
Fully understand this points, and the section will simply go to the archive as useless. --Yug (talk) 16:53, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

I know why you did it. To draw attention to your statements, and to be disruptive. You succeeded, and that's why you were blocked. Anyway, I think it's best we stop talking about this and get on with editing, don't you? Exploding Boy 16:56, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

That was not a choice, the June 11 frank opposition was a necessity, according to the impasse of the time, made by both your hasty contributions and my "Pigeon's English".
After what : I prefer build than look on the past.
--Yug (talk) 17:22, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
By the way, you need to remove the "stub" and "spelling" tags from your page about me. It's not an article, and should not be tagged as such. Exploding Boy 19:17, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Ok. --Yug (talk) 19:19, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
A good way may be that I work on the Stroke order/Temp, with some other volunteers helping me and my bad English. You, you can keep your Stroke order. In one month, we match the both pages, we keep the best page, and delete the other. Did this work for you ?
In anyways, I don't want to be involve in endless and useless explanations like in the past, neither in "good face" but endless and childish collaboration, like it's currently the case for both of us.
In the 6 (!!) last months, you haven't add any content to this article.
In this 6 month, 95% of your edits made the improvement of this article slower (reverts ; and finally endless talks).
To don't lost time, I want keep me aways from you. My proposition to replace you by an other admin on the Stroke order page was in the same ideas.
--Yug (talk) 19:40, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Stroke order article[edit]

I disagree that the article is (or should be about) how to write characters. First of all, WP is not a how-to, so that's not permissible (not by me, but by WP policy) anyway. Moreover, stroke order says nothing about direction; direction is dependent on what character it is you're writing, and some characters even have stroke orders that go opposite of the general "up-down before left-right" pattern. Anything on how to write characters should probably go into the Wikibooks project instead.

What the article should say is what stroke order is, and also that it differs between languages. Anything else that's relevant (first usage of the term, for example) should also go into the article. Let me take a shot at it, and see what we get. MSJapan 23:36, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

I disagree (for the strokes), I explained why. I should add that when Korean, Japanese, and Chinese people know the stroke direction as a clear cultural background, Europeans (our readers) don't know this. I follow Chinese Character courses in University, and I clearly seen that, in the way to write CJK characters, my classmates are confuse by both strict stroke order and stroke direction. I can cite Viviane ALLETON, L'Écriture Chinoise [Chinese Writing], ed. Que Sais-Je ? n⁰1374, Paris, 1976. : page 25 to 30 : [How to write Chinese Character], # Write Strokes(p.26) # Stroke order (p.28) # Elements order (p.29). (a French book, sorry, ISBN ).
But, this is a choice to make (, by the redactors). I prefer keep this section in Stroke order, to keep all together, but I admit it is also need in CJK strokes. In anyway, if we move/put it to one article, it will be missing in the other.
If we should strictly apply the not a how-to, all the stroke order article should be delete, or move to Wikibook. But's it's in the same time a knowledge/rules (with an history, variations.) and a global How-to, like Chinese grammar.
Anyway : do want you want, we can talk again later ;)
--Yug (talk) 14:31, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I seen you change, I don't totally agree and I will revert some change. I haven't time to do it now, but see you next week. Yug (talk) 14:49, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Merge CJK strokes and Stroke order articles[edit]

CJK strokes need a different article. Unicode and CJK strokes, CDL and CJK strokes have nothing to do with stroke order. But I let other make mistakes which Explofing boy -without the knowledge and understanding need on the subject- de facto forbidden me to correct, and to lead. --Yug (talk) 09:58, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm asking you to stop this behaviour, please, and to remove the offensive comment you posted on Talk:CJK strokes. Exploding Boy 16:15, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
...What are you talking about !? To disagree with you is a "behaviour" to stop ?!? User:Dekimasu -which I don't know- also disagree with you, and your merge is de facto the destruction of the split I made on your version of the Stroke order (Stroke order divided into => Stroke order + CJK strokes ). All this was already explain. Now you undo it.
You warned administrator on our opposition saying that the roots was my imperfect English, but I note that :
  1. other users already corrected me => my English is both understandable and correctable quickly (diff by user: ;
  2. you proposition to correct my English was, despite I encouraged you to make wide and faster corrections (you declined), to discus each of my word => shown as de facto endless and unworkable, then I closed the door of this endless word-by-word correction.
  3. on this "English correction", you said to be oppose to just correct English of what I planned to write => you shown your opposition from me on the content, not just a spelling check. (This is, I think, the core of your opposition) ;
  4. you now ask to merge back Stroke order with CJK strokes, undoing what I done => your editions on this series is on the content.
If I make an history of your opposition : 1- hasty reverts of my adds ; 2- opposition on the content ; 3- opposition of my bad spelling ; 4- revert of my "disruptive" <div> (lead me to be block 24h) ; 5- again opposition on the content.
From where I am, this lead me to think that these oppositions are just means to keep me from making huge changes on "your" article,.
Our opposition is absolutely not on copyediting, it's a several month content opposition.
Effectively, I clearly disagree with your version of this article, I already explained why, cited my sources, and I still wait you to match this.
In the other hand, I'm currently in contact with T. Bishop of the Wenlin Institute, who created the software Wenlin, the CDL, who work with the Unicode consortium and submitted the 39 strokes proposition to them. I'm really happy to see that in a glance, he found some simplifications I made on the Stroke order article to be easily understood. These "little mistakes" are here since more than 6 months, and you never noticed them. the trouble is that you found mistakes were there aren't, and didn't found simplifications-mistakes were they are. Then, how can you fairly be opposed to my planned changes ? (here).
You have an good understanding of the subject, but I sincerely think you haven't the knowledge now need to go forward.
And I say it again : This is the core of our opposition. You can't honestly watch an article, make reverts of some sections (Introduction ; Stroke order and history ; Sources), disallow the deletion of some other sections (CJK strokes), propose merge, when you have less knowledge than other editor(s). Is this fact insulting ? Absolutely not. In the past, you conscientiously keep silent on the "Ti opposition" that we had, after I provided you evidences that I was right.
For the good of Wikipedia, it is need that you admit to don't have the knowledge need for you ambition, which is -de facto- the control these articles.
--Yug (talk) 14:30, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Response to Yug[edit]

...What are you talking about !? To disagree with you is a "behaviour" to stop ?!?

No, Yug. The behaviour I'm talking about is your snide comments on various talk pages (for example, here), posting "invisible" responses to me, as you did here, maintaining an entire page about me for unclear reasons, as you do here, and even posting remarks about me on other Wikipedias, as you did here.

User:Dekimasu -which I don't know- also disagree with you, and your merge is de facto the destruction of the split I made on your version of the Stroke order (Stroke order divided into => Stroke order + CJK strokes ). All this was already explain. Now you undo it.

I haven't "undone" anything, I've simply proposed a merge.

You warned administrator on our opposition saying that the roots was my imperfect English, but I note that other users already corrected me => my English is both understandable and correctable quickly (diff by user:

Again, this isn't true at all. Your imperfect English is only one of the things I have mentioned at any time. By far the bigger problem as I see it is your generally tendentious attitude.

you proposition to correct my English was, despite I encouraged you to make wide and faster corrections (you declined), to discus each of my word => shown as de facto endless and unworkable, then I closed the door of this endless word-by-word correction.

In fact, I asked you to discuss proposed changes on the Stroke order talk page in order to avoid confusion: your English sometimes leads to misunderstandings about content, which could be avoided by discussion.

on this "English correction", you said to be oppose to just correct English of what I planned to write => you shown your opposition from me on the content, not just a spelling check. (This is, I think, the core of your opposition)

Not sure what you're talking about here at all. I will note, however, that you have claimed several times that spelling is the problem; it is not. Spelling is rarely a big problem, in that it can be fairly easily corrected. The problem is with general English.

Now you now ask to merge back Stroke order with CJK strokes, undoing what I done => your editions on this series is on the content.

Again, I haven't actually done anything. And so what if the articles are merged? How does a simple merge affect anything you've written? It doesn't. It simply makes sense to put two closely related articles together; it's done every day on Wikipedia, and I would note also that there was at least some support for the proposition (note that again: proposition).

If I make an history of your opposition : 1- hasty reverts of my adds ; 2- opposition on the content ; 3- opposition of my bad spelling ; 4- revert of my "disruptive"
(lead me to be block 24h) ; 5- again opposition on the content.

This is all nonsense, and I particularly object to your blaming me for your 24 hour block. I didn't block you, you were blocked as a result of your own disruptive behaviour. In fact, when you were blocked I hadn't even asked for you to be blocked; the blocking admin made that decision all by himself.

From where I am, this lead me to think that these oppositions are just means to keep me from making huge changes on "your" article.

Nonsense. I haven't made any edits to the Stroke order article for several weeks, and haven't made any substantial edits since early June.

In the other hand, I'm currently in contact with T. Bishop of the Wenlin Institute, who created the software Wenlin, the CDL, who work with the Unicode consortium and submitted the 39 strokes proposition to them. I'm really happy to see that in a glance, he found some simplifications I made on the Stroke order article to be easily understood.

Great. But that's original research and therefore cannot be included in any Wikipedia article.

These "little mistakes" are here since more than 6 months, and you never noticed them.

So what? As an admin yourself, you should know that Wikipedia doesn't work that way. Any article can be changed at any time.

the trouble is that you found mistakes were there aren't, and didn't found simplifications-mistakes were they are. Then, how can you fairly be opposed to my planned changes ?

Again, don't know what you mean here.

You have an good understanding of the subject, but I sincerely think you haven't the knowledge now need to go forward.

The trouble is, you have no idea what my level of knowledge is on the subject. If, as you say on your talk page, you're a 3rd-year student, then I have a lot more education than you on the subject. That's all I'll say on that matter.

I'm getting pretty tired of all this, and again I say to you that as an admin, you should know better than to be behave the way you are. If anyone is being pushed away from Chinese character-related articles, it's me, by you. If I say anything, you attack me, often with nonsense (and make notes on your little page about me). If I don't say anything, you interpret it as hostility, and again you add it to your offensive little list.

While I have no objection to you working on the English Wikipedia, as long as you acknowledge that your English will need correcting by native speakers, my suggestion to you is to work on these articles in your native language, on the French Wikipedia. There you can do whatever you like without having to worry about what I think, and you can create well-written, complete pages that can then be translated. It seems like the obvious solution given that you yourself have stated that you have difficulties with English. Exploding Boy 17:13, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

The trouble is, you have no idea what my level of knowledge is on the subject. If, as you say on your talk page, you're a 3rd-year student, then I have a lot more education than you on the subject. That's all I'll say on that matter.
Ok, prove it. I propose the following deal : You have 3 days to find the 3 simplifications I included in Stroke order and CJK strokes.
I sent to an administrator a copy of the good answer.
--Yug (talk) 18:59, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Exploding boy aswered to this : "I'm not playing games with you. Exploding Boy 21:06, 4 July 2007 (UTC)" (diff)
You simply can't. --Yug (talk) 22:30, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Please stop[edit]

Your continued behaviour is starting to feel like harassment. Please see my comments here. Exploding Boy 22:32, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Your previous continued hasty reverts, request of deletion of div and other things, request on Admin/Incident or on Luna Santin talk page, unworkable endless word-by-word correction, biases summaries, by a skilled user like you lead me to feel harassed too. --Yug (talk) 22:51, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I've had enough of this[edit]

Your behaviour is harrassment. I will no longer be responding to you on this subject. Discuss my edits if I make any. Otherwise, leave me alone. Exploding Boy 18:33, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Understand that you have not the knowledge need may be far more easy, but you are too proud to end all by admiting this. It took me just 5 minutes to admit that I had a bad English. --Yug (talk) 18:39, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

A few last steps[edit]

Hi Yugg, if/when you have time please do come and help us finish off the discussion at Wikiquette alerts, it would be a shame if all the hard work of mediation was undone, kind regards sbandrews (t) 20:07, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

please try and avoid french sources, at least at this stage when asking for an RfC, it won't help, I'm sure you understand, regards sbandrews (t) 23:38, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry but I will be taking a time out from WQA for a while, however do ask for any editing/translation help you may need from me on my talk page, kindest regards, sbandrews (t) 17:50, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Ok, that's good. --Yug (talk) 09:00, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Henry VI[edit]

It is not customary in English to refer to him as a king of France, either, but he was king, crowned in Paris and everything. He was a minor at the time, but his regency had power in most of France and in Paris. They probably had the loyalty of a majority of the population in much of the area too, as at Bordeaux. Henry VI is the only English king, however, whose pretension in titulature was matched by the reality on the Continent. I hope the article makes it clear, as I think it does, which Henry is being referred to. Srnec 05:25, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: Graphics Lab[edit]

Hi Yug,
I'd be glad to be part of it - albeit in a limited form (time constraints). Editing pix is right up my alley! :)
It would be worth contacting Benjamint444 as he is pretty handy with Photoshop too --Fir0002 11:50, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Indian Calligraphy[edit]

Hi Yug, Will see what I can do, but I won't have much time to spare for some time. I see you've made a good start. I can recommend Richard Salomon's book on Indian Epigraphy - in fact our subject may better covered by that term but who would know to look it up? mahaabaala 07:49, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


Hi there.

I just deleted the article you created on Ajax browser, because it fails to assert any notability for inclusion and a search turned up nothing of merit for this software. Wikipedia is not a directory of everything, so I really can't figure a way that this article could be brought to encyclopedic standards. Contact me with any question, and happy editing to you. Keegantalk 06:23, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Undeleted, prodded[edit]


A {{prod}} template has been added to the article Ajax-browser, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice explains why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. If you endorse deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please tag it with {{db-author}}. Keegantalk 06:29, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Simplified_Ruleset#Safe_behaviours, point 6 Yug (talk) 11:57, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
How to Stop an Exploding ManYug (talk) 11:57, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Tang Dynasty Map (616 to 710)[edit]

Dear Yug - First of all, thank you very much for your good comments on the need for more work on Tibetan calligraphy in the Wikipedia. Unfortunately, I know very little about it - but I will ask my son who has far better knowledge of Tibetan than me.

Now, I don't want to make a big issue of all this but the map does not make it clear that Tibet was definitely not a Chinese vassal for most of the time between 616 and 710 - it was only for about 20 to 28 years, at the most, that one could make this claim and, even then, it was probably more of a nominal rather than real vassalage, because China did not have troops in or any control over Tibet, which was a very powerful state at this period. The rest of the time Tibet was very definitely not only independent, but mostly hostile to China. I know you have just marked the period of Tibet recognising China as 641 to 670, but even this is not quite correct. According to the Tangshu and the Xin Tangshu (See: Pelliot's Histoire ancienne du Tibet, pp. 7, 85-86; and Lee's English translation in The History of Early Relations between China and Tibet from the Chiu t'ang-shu, pp. 15-16), the Tibetans were arguing with the Touyuhuan from 661-666 during which time the Chinese could not make up their mind which side to support. During the Zongzhang period (668 to 670) the Chinese deliberated whether to send an army against the Tibetans (Pelliot, pp. 85-86) and, finally, the Tibetans got angry and totally defeated the Touyuhuan (probably in 669). In 670 the Tibetans invaded and conquered 18 vassal states of the Chinese including Khotan and Aksu and the "Four Garrisons" of the Chinese in the Tarim Basin, which they then held for a very long time (Pelliot, p. 86). So, I think your map should show Tibet only as a nominal vassal for the period from 641 to 661, or, perhaps, to 669, at the latest. I believe it should also make it clear that Tibet was totally independent for the rest of the period 616-710. I hope I haven't made things too difficult for you. Best wishes, John Hill 23:25, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

he's at it again[edit]

Would you mind reverting? Re-added from an anon-ip this time. (Villiers-le-Bel of course) --Zantastik talk 23:00, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Re: Stroke order according to each country[edit]

Hi Yug, I've been away from Wikipedia for almost a year, so I didn't see your message until just recently. Anyway, of course you can archive my question; you don't need to ask. If it's on an article talk page, then there's no need to ask permission. —Umofomia (talk) 17:49, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Pushing of Template:Mapcolor[edit]

Why did you create this template on 9 different wikipedia's? multichill (talk) 21:09, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

More explanation:
Yes, I create them all. It's part of a commons' based project to create Common Map Recommendation and adapted tools. See: :Commons:Commons_talk:Project_Mapmaking_Wiki_Standards. The task is huge, so I create in one time the template on the 7 or 8 most active wikipedias which will easely follow us, to :save time. This template allow to copy past the Common recommendations directly on these 8 Wikipedias, allowing to directly start to translate text. Currently, the template is use only :on wiki-fr, wiki-en, and commons. When the recommendation will be stable, we will annouce it, and encourage all wikipedia to follow us and translate recommendations. Yug :(talk) 14:35, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
This is not the way. You dont go around creating unused templates. The template is already deleted at 2 different wikipedia's. multichill (talk) 14:43, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
-___- ... wikipedia stay wikipedia : 3 steps toward, 1 back. Yug (talk) 14:50, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


Hi. I've userfied the page Projet:Nlu you created, because it didn't look like it was intended for the article space. It's now here. Olaf Davis | Talk 14:43, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

User:Mailer diablo/A keep this link for later. (talk) 20:40, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Foreign tributes to the Song[edit]

See this interesting document :

I just recently learned of a book called Tribute Missions to China, 960–1126 by Prof. Robert M. Hartwell. It covers all of the tribute envoys sent to Song China from Korea to Africa and everything in between (in that order). I was able to find a pdf version of this book, but it is slow to load since it is an entire book. You might fined it useful. The author stated in the preface that he would write an even larger book including envoys from Japan and smaller envoys from other countries not mentioned, but I cannot seem to find that book anywhere. from Ghostexorcist (talk). (talk) 13:05, 8 July 2008 (UTC)



Thank you so much for taking the time to translate those articles! And I love your map, great work. Sometime in the near future, Han Dynasty will look fantastic, but don't hold your breath. It may take a while. Cheers!--Pericles of AthensTalk 03:39, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


I like your new maps as well, but let's address some issues.

People like to be able to print articles from Wikipedia, especially those who proofread articles in Featured Article Reviews (FAR), which Tang Dynasty will be subject to sooner or later. That is one drawback [fr:inconvenient] to using the topographical map of the Tang Dynasty in the 8th century, although it is an awesome map (good job on that by the way), you might be able to get away using it for now, but somewhere down the road someone writing for a FAR on the Tang Dynasty article will likely complain about it.

I also like your other topographical map showing the progression of regions under the conquest of Han Chinese empires.

However, there is one thing I would change: why include a category for cultural influence over Korea and Japan? The latter two seem kind of irrelevant, since the Tang did not conquer either (although they had temporary holdings in what is now North Korea after the fall of Goguryeo). Other than that, it is a cool map which could be used in general articles on the History of China, since it features territories in a progression of conquest through different dynasties.--Pericles of AthensTalk 12:14, 26 August 2008 (UTC)