User talk:Yulia Romero/Archive 7

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For personal reasons (aviable on request) I changed my username from Mariah-Yulia to Yulia Romero on 5 March 2011.

Hi neighbor![edit]

Just wanted to drop in for a neighborly visit. I created a new article Waterfalls of Ukraine and no one seems to care, maybe you'd like to visit it and enjoy the fresh water and the sound of spring. :) Also, I posted a request on the Portal of Ukraine page, and no one seems to be active there either – I would like to create a navigation template for all the cultures that have been incorporated into modern day Ukraine. I'm not sure how to structure it by time period, by culture (there are lots) or what? Can you recommend anything? Thank You! USchick (talk) 18:24, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do Violet smiley.svg, but I'll think a have a small wiki-break this weekend... What you could do is nominate the article for a DYK at Template talk:Did you know; that usually creates some feedback... Especially if the article makes it to the Main page. It is also nice to get a DYK. — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 21:20, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
Congratulations on your new name, I hope you're not having an identity crisis, lol! I'm not suggesting you should create the template, I'm simply looking for suggestion on how to structure it and what information to include. List of medieval Slavic tribes and List of early East Slavic states cover the Slavic population, but there are so many others that are not Slavic that don't have a category. I would like to combine all of them into a template from the stone age until modern time. That's fairly simple (I think). The part I'm not sure about is what geographical area this should cover. Europe and Asia? How would you define the boundaries? Is there a historical or cultural expert that would have an "official" recommendation? I would think the CIS and the surrounding areas, but I'm not sure which surrounding areas, because they include parts of Europe, parts of Asia, parts of North Africa, and parts of the Middle East.
Are you interested in this topic? I know it's totally outside your interest of modern day Ukraine. Is there an active group with expertise in the area? I think this template is very important to develop and I'm willing to put in the time, because it's unbelievable how rich Ukrainian culture is when it comes to diversity and historical impact. And the template itself would be useful for all the countries involved, not just Ukraine. I value your advice even if you're not interested in the subject. :-) USchick (talk) 21:02, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Just to be on the same page... You mean cultures like the Milograd culture right? I misunderstood your question at first... I thought you wanted help with the article Waterfalls of Ukraine... — Yulia Romero (formerly Mariah-Yulia) • Talk to me! 22:32, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

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I am interested in this topic (all the cultures that have been incorporated into Ukraine) and think a navigation template about it is an excellent idea! Unfortunately I feel now as the man in the costume pictured above. So I'll get back on this. — Yulia Romero (formerly Mariah-Yulia) • Talk to me! 22:39, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
Sorry about not being clear. Yes, like that culture and like Cuman people and many others who were not Slavic and therefore, forgotten. This is not an immediate need, I just think it's a wothwhile effort. And thank you for the International Women's Day post.


To be honest those colours I would recognise no matter what your name was :¬)

Nice to see you are still around - thought you were hibernating! Chaosdruid (talk) 04:19, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Name Change[edit]

So Maria Yulia are not your first names?--Toddy1 (talk) 21:08, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Interesting name change. Just wondering if you will go any further. --Garik 11 (talk) 08:11, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Hypocrisy Is the Greatest Luxury is one of my favourite albums ever Animalien-smiley.gif. Besides Yulyu didn't get $1 million to sing 4 songs... She just wanted some investments into Ukraine. I do not use my real name in wikipedia... — Yulia Romero (formerly Mariah-Yulia) • Talk to me! 01:17, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Let us start a WikiProject Ukraine/Politics of Ukraine task force?[edit]

Of course, I am interested. I will see what can be done to improve them. And I will keep you posted on updates as well as new ideas. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 04:59, 8 March 2011 (UTC)


I see that you admire Óscar Romero. I have no doubt that he was a good and brave man who stood up for his beliefs. Even though he was martyred for his political beliefs, the Roman Catholic Church plans to make him a saint.

But to my way of thinking it would have been more appropriate for the Church to make the Christian martyr Raynald de Châtillon into a saint. de Châtillon was a warrior for Christ who was murdered whilst a prisoner of war. But the fashion today is for the new. Life is not fair.--Toddy1 (talk) 18:15, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

By the way, de Châtillon was considered to be worth half a tonne of gold.--Toddy1 (talk) 18:17, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Just checking...........[edit]

Just to make sure: "Head of the Lviv Oblast State Administration" is the same thing as "Governor of Lviv Oblast"; right? If not I added a wrong category in the article Kmit Mykola. Bit confusing 2 different names are used for the same post (at least for me...).
Yulia Romero (formerly Mariah-Yulia) • Talk to me! 21:55, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Right on the money! A head of a state administration it is pretty much the governor of a region. It is what was in the Soviet times the executive committee of the region, colloquially as ispolkom. The legislative branch would be a regional council. Also each city of regional and district subordination elects its mayor, that is like a president, in my association. I have not found an article to support these assumptions, but there is sort of an explanation at the Ukrainian Wikipedia on a local government with a reference to the Small Encyclopedia of Ukraine, I think. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 22:11, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
I have intentions to improve the articles on the government cabinets such as to add the process of the appointment as I did for the Second governments of Tymoshenko and Yanukovych. What strikes the most is the Yanukovych's speech when he was dismissed from his post. I have not found an article in a press media about it. It was very random that I read the verbatim of the Verkhovna Rada session when Tymoshenko presented her new cabinet. I think those articles could use additional "tune-ups" such as summaries or analyses from good sources, articles of political experts on the subject. There is plenty of information about whatever the crisis there was in 2006, which, in my opinion, carry no real grounds, comparing to the current situation, for example. Also there is little information about the situation in Crimea of the 90s and the Sieverodonetsk's incident is not fully disclosed. The ongoing "monument war" is also worth mentioning as it is partially connected with the Anti-Tabachnyk campaign, for example. Whenever I will have more time I try to add more information on ministries of the government and maybe explain how everything comes together. Also, I already did some touch ups on the articles that have pointed out earlier. Please, visit them on a good occasion. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 22:27, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
Sorry for getting my nose into this, officially they are not the same. But till now the Heads of State Administrations were also Governors. A.h. king • Talk to me! 16:35, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Straight to the Wild Wild East![edit]

Have an awesome trip! Just be aware in Kharkiv - the steam-powered spiders may be running around. Smiley.svgJwkozak91 (talk) 03:40, 10 March 2011 (UTC)


Hi, Yulia! Compliments on the new name :) To answer your question, no, you don't need an admin to set up a taskforce, although, depending on how developed the end result should be, you may run into some tasks which require admin intervention—for WP:RUSSIA such a task was updating the assessment banner, which is protected and can only be edited by an admin. Other than that, the decision on whether to establish a taskforce and how many is the matter that's made solely by the participants of the WikiProject under which the taskforces are being created. So, putting up a note on WT:UKRAINE stating that such and such editors are going to establish such and such taskforce for a few days is pretty much all there is to the formalities. There are some recommendations as to when establishing a taskforce is generally not beneficial, but in the end it is always the WikiProject's participants decision. I hope this answers your question. If you have more, or if you need help with the process of establishing the taskforce, please don't hesitate to contact me—I'll be happy to assist. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 10, 2011; 14:19 (UTC)

Rada riddling.......[edit]

It seems there is now a Group "Reforms for the Future" (Ukrainian: Група "Реформи заради майбутнього" у Верховній Раді України) in the Verkhovna Rada. As you can see on my userpage I have to cut back my time on wikipedia (soon), so I wish they started this group earlier.... — Yulia Romero (formerly Mariah-Yulia) • Talk to me! 16:07, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Very interesting... On the other subject, recently I created an article about the March 9, 2001 civil unrest (UbK March Unrest) connected with the Ukraine without Kuchma (UbK) movement. In my opinion that is a culmination point and one of the most important ones. Its precedent seems to be widely used by Aleksandr Lukashenko in a fight with opposition. There is a very good video footage was provided by the Ukrainian Pravda on March 9, 2011 on the developments of that day as well as plenty of other information related to the incident. Certainly more edits and improvements are required and if you will have some time, please, visit it for a review. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 16:23, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Got a bit distracted... Apparently editors never thought of creating a Wikipedia category American musicians of Ukrainian descent while there was a American musicians of Russian descent category; seems a lot of people in the USA, UK, Canada etc. can not get used to the idea of an independent Ukraine... A lot of people think it is still 1990? I will create an article now on this new Rada group. Not sure of name yet... — Yulia Romero (formerly Mariah-Yulia) • Talk to me! 17:50, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Decided to call it Reforms for the Future! — Yulia Romero (formerly Mariah-Yulia) • Talk to me! 17:58, 10 March 2011 (UTC)


Hi Yulia Thanks for the warm welcome! I fell that Wikipedia is a great website for exchange knowledge. I decided to give a try by starting an article about Anna Hutsol. I don't have enough information to complete the article, but I will give a try! It will be great to contribute with the Ukrainian related themes, even if I am not from there. I will appreciate if you could guide me by giving me tips or information about how is the best way that I can contribute. Hope to talk you soon G — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gutaku (talkcontribs) 12:33, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

I think it is just best to use the trial and error method on wikipedia... Mistakes get soon corrected here. Google books is an handy research tool. I think it is best to start/work on wikipedia articles in fields that interest you most. That way you can expand your own knowledge and share your new insights with other editors, that is what I do at least. Also not getting mad when other editors do something that looks wrong is a good idea; most of the time editors intentions are good (I have found out (the hard way)). Copying other editors skills is also wise. — Yulia Romero (formerly Mariah-Yulia) • Talk to me! 01:31, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

To the project "Ukraine"[edit]

Hello, Mariah-Yulia. Please — look at my recent articles (and editing) — take the information from them to the project "Ukraine" :

  • The articles from Ukrainian Wikipedia "Коаліціада в Україні 2006" ("Coalition in Ukraine 2006)— can be fully added to the article "2006 Ukrainian political crisis".
  • The articles from Russian Wikipedia. Titles of articles :

— The article "Тимошенко, Юлия Владимировна" ("Tymoshenko, Yulia") — a good section : "Происхождение, ранние годы", "Оранжевая революция (2004)", "На посту премьер-министра (2005)", "В оппозиции (2005—2007)", "В оппозиции — с марта 2010".
— The article "Ющенко, Виктор Андреевич" ("Yushchenko") — a good section : "The conflict with Yulia Tymoshenko" (also "The parliamentary elections-2002", "Prime Minister 1999-2001").
Translate comfortably through the translator "Mozilla Firefox". Good bye!--Vles1 (talk) 13:22, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

I'll be happy to help with translation when necessary, just let me know. USchick (talk) 15:18, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

As you can see on the top of this page I do have to cut back the time I spend on Wikipedia these days... 20px, so I do not have time to help. You can (also) ask for help here. Others are also allowed to help of course SFriendly.svg! — Yulia Romero (formerly Mariah-Yulia) • Talk to me! 18:19, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, Mariah-Yulia. Thank you, USchick.--Vles1 (talk) 01:33, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

No problem. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 22:21, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Accidentally read an article "Reforms for the Future!" This article have errors:
1) "After the cancilation of the Imperative Mandate on October 1, 2010 it be" - abolished not "imperative mandate" ("imperative mandate" was not in the Constitution!), but abolished the Constitution-2004!

And abolished "by the decision of the Constitutional Court" (The Constitutional Court had no rights to annul the Constitution, but can only interpret the Constitution). Yanukovych usurped power. Yanukovych grossly trampled upon the Constitution; and his power has become an anti-constitutional!!

May be to write : "The Constitutional Court abolished of the Constitution-2004. But it's not stipulated by the Constitution of Ukraine. "The free press and the opposition" named this actions as "anti-constitutional coup and the usurpation of power".

2) It must be emphasized that in a fraction of the "Reforms for the Future" gathered the MPs have been excluded from BYuT and "Our Ukraine". It must be emphasized that "Yulia Tymoshenko and members of the Yulia Tymoshenko Bloc" - have been repeated claims that members of the fraction "Reforms for the Future" — are "politically corrupt" and simply sell their votes (Yulia Tymoshenko: These MPs are sold each — for three million dollars).

Mariah-Yulia, welcome to Ukraine! --Vles1 (talk) 00:17, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Unless we have more then rumours that Reforms for the Future consists of MPs who sold there votes for the sake of neutrality we can not say they where bought... The same goes for calling the current leadership "anti-constitutional".... Opinions are not facts... — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 21:50, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
1) "The cancel of the current Constitution (2004-2010)" is the fact. And abolished the Constitution - the Constitutional Court. It's not "opinion", but "reliable fact" - because the Constitution (Constitution-1996, Constitution-2004) describes the "way of changing the Constitution", but is not allowed to change the Constitution "through Constitutional Court". This is undoubtedly. Tymoshenko (which you support) - also says about it. "Cancel Constitution-2004" is terrible for Ukraine.
2) The deputies of the faction "Reforms for the Future" — are "traitors of their constituents"; because they were elected from the "Yulia Tymoshenko Bloc", and withdrew from the "Yulia Tymoshenko Bloc" (against the Constitution) and the support of "the anti-Ukrainian Yanukovych". That is indisputable. --Vles1 (talk) 01:47, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

MfD nomination of User:Yulia Romero/Userbox/Wikileaks[edit]

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Can you please remove the bold font off the template on this user's page User talk:Vles1? Is it coming from your welcome template? Thank you. USchick (talk) 20:10, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Done! I did not check wikipedia while in Ukraine. so sorry for any inconvenience. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 21:33, 8 April 2011


Thank you for welcoming me.. But I afraid my contibution to English Wikipedia will be small. Because it is the most developed Wikipedia). The most of my contibutions I concentrate on Ukrainian Wikipedia. And I've created article about incarceration in Ukraine for interwiki for Ukrainian article. To be honest I'd like to create Ukraine-related articles especially concerning law, but.. it is very difficult because of specificity of terminology. Direct translation from, for example, Lingvo helps little. This is hardier also because of common law that English countries use. So I afraid that my law articles can be of poor quality of translation.--Oloddin (talk) 20:57, 15 April 2011

I understand; I'm also no native English speaker but don't be afraid to make mistakes! — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 20:27, 18 April 2011 (UTC)


Danke je voor verwelkoming mee :) Ik sprek Nederlands niet so goed, so ik wil te blijven op Engels. I made an article about Vidsich. It's aimed to be new Pora! and in fact many activists from Pora! are in Vidsich. Could you please help me with translation of this article into Dutch and German? --Krystofer (talk) 16:18, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm afraid this is not high on my list of priorities because of Ukrainian related preparations I have to do now, send you an e-mail about it using Wikipedia:E-mailing users (if you didn't get it; click on this link for more details). — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 20:42, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

History of Zaporozhye[edit]

Thanks for the barnstar.

Are you OK?--Toddy1 (talk) 23:45, 20 April 2011 (UTC)


Hey, I've significantly expanded the article on Mykola Leontovych over the past few months. Thought (maybe more of "hoped") you might be interested in expanding, correcting it, or editing in general to help bring it to good, or even featured status. :-)
--BoguslavM 02:08, 26 April 2011 (UTC)


I don't mind you having bold throughout your welcome to new users, but could you turn it off at the end so that future messages are in a standard presentation? Would you please fix User_talk:Dƶoxar. —Coroboy (talk) 02:30, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

 Done! Sorry for the inconvenience. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 13:34, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. —Coroboy (talk) 23:55, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Editing articles "Tymoshenko"[edit]

Dear Maria-Yulia, last week (24.5.2011) was the arrest Tymoshenko, but after 7 hours she was released — thanks to the efforts of "the ambassadors of G7" (U.S., Germany, EU), European People's Party, chairman of the European Parliament Jerzy Buzek, and the Ukrainian people — see "Yulia Tymoshenko. My arrest. May 26, 2011."

Therefore, the right — to put information about "her great-grandfather Grigan" (who served 10 years in the Stalin's conc. camps) - to the article "Tymoshenko" (to show that in the Ukraine - could be imprisoned for no reason.). I want to add the "Genealogy and family" - to the article "Tymoshenko". --Vles1 (talk) 23:35, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Incarceration visits[edit]

Let me ask you too. 'Hello! I am Ukrainian and I am user of Ukrainian Wikipedia. There is an article about visitations in jail. Here is it: [1]. But that article has no interwiki. I think there is an article about in somewhere in English Wikipedia. So I ask you: is there any? That article is about rules how people in jail can contact to people at large. Thank you for help' --Oloddin (talk) 09:38, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

People's Committee to Protect Ukraine[edit]


Hope you are enjoying your working holiday :¬)

Just to let you know it seems the website has dissappeared - any chance you can find it again? most of the sources are in Ukrainian which I cannot read (unfortunately - I wish my dad had beaten us with a stick to make us learn, he gave up too easily!) Chaosdruid (talk) 12:32, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Sidor Artemievič Kovpak ancestors on the run for assassination

Me and my brother Sibirian Artjom (named after Sydor's father Artjom) we are the youngest of the four Great grand anserters of Sydor Kovpak. We need help and or life is in danger. My father has made for us a social program this program is of social effort and is the fight to rescue Missing children in the Ukraine in or name! For this we survived assassinations and now we are in a situation that needs attention of all who are involved in Sydor’s vision and heroics acts for the Russian and Ukrainian people. I ask can you get in contact with us to listen to or story. Or email is and — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:54, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Help needed![edit]

This article about a famous Ukrainian may be deleted. It should not be. Please help protect it!
Invest in knowledge (talk) 15:18, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Category:Ukrainian classical pianist stubs[edit]

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Your DYK nom for Corruption in Ukraine[edit]

Hi Yulia, I've started reviewing your nomination at Template:Did you know nominations/Corruption in Ukraine but there are major paraphrasing issues that need to be addressed before I continue. Please see my comments at the nomination page. Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:00, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

There is a policy WP:CITECLUTTER against having 5-15 footnote marks against a single point. There are two solutions - either you need to have less citations, or to have portmanteau citations. Because I believe that the number and range of citations that you are finding adds value, I have edited your citations to make them into portmanteau citations. It would be helpful if you did this as you added them. Otherwise, there is a danger than some well-meaning officious person will delete a random selection of citations quoting the policy I mentioned.--Toddy1 (talk) 10:36, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

OK. Sorry about this; I did not know this policy. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 15:15, 26 September 2011 (UTC)


By all means create a new template which better represents the politics of Kiev. but do not nominate template:Kiev local political parties for deletion until you have dealt with all the pages that use it. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:00, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Corruption Perception Index[edit]

Please note all the hedging phrases about the Corruption Perception Index. It is measured different ways different years. Please also note that there is a great deal of uncertainty about the scores for Ukraine (see the table in the article).

One thing that might be of value is to express Ukraine's position, in terms of a percentage of those countries that TPI did a successful evaluation (3 surveys of more). The most corrupt nation successfully evaluated would have a % ranking of 100%.

Year Ukraine's Ranking Number of Countries Scored Ranking as a Percentage
1998 69 85 81%
1999 75 99 76%
2001 83 91 91%
2002 85 102 83%
2003 106 133 80%
2004 122 146 84%
2005 107 158 68%
2006 99 163 61%
2007 118 179 66%
2008 134 180 74%
2009 146 180 81%
2010 134 178 75%

As you can see Ukraine's % ranking has varied from 91% in 2001, to 61% in 2006. If you like you can tell a story round it. The story might be something like this:

Before the Orange Revolution, Ukraine was very corrupt (average % ranking 1998-2004 = 82%). People had great hopes when Yushchenko became president, but the % ranking gradually reverted to 81% by the end of his presidency, because things did not get better. The current president is taking action, and maybe this will have some effect.

An alternative story is that all the variation is just random, or caused by differences in how the evaluations are done, and trying to draw conclusions over time is a waste of time. --Toddy1 (talk) 19:58, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

It seems that all conclusions drawn on this index are all highly speculative; I prefer not to write down conclusions on it in the article... — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 15:38, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Link error in Corruption in Ukraine article[edit]

The following link in the Corruption in Ukraine article does not work correctly:

[tt_news]=35871&tx_ttnews[backPid]=7&cHash=e9627f75db Yushchenko and Yanukovych Forge an Electoral Alliance – Taras Kuzio, Jamestown Foundation (January 8, 2010)

--Toddy1 (talk) 19:30, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Found a solution--Toddy1 (talk) 06:12, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Found one on your beloved Kyiv Post! — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 17:09, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Please moderate your comments[edit]

Yulia , please moderate your comments when dealing with others. I understand your frustration with Lvivske's edits about Mila Kunis etc, but making remarks like these[1][2] is inappropriate. Especialy when dealing with an area of heighened tension (such as race/ethnicity.nationality in Eastern European articles) editors need to work to de-escalate issues rather than exacerbate them. Please also be aware that comparing another editor's views to naziism (or doing so indirectly) is also inappropriate. Please reflect on your edits in light of my remarks & this site's civility policies, so that we can work towards harmonious editing--Cailil talk 20:22, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your advice. You where right, I will give myself a cooling down period. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 15:44, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

This user has a history of editing the Yulia Tymoshenko in a way that seems biased (to me)... For instance in this edits he more then doubles the number of demonstrators for her case without providing any new reference to back up the claim. How to find out if someone is biased when we may not speculate on motives? We are not living in a world where everybody is neutral.... You may believe Wikipedia is never used to alter history; I do not... I could have chosen friendlier words; but would that have not just been hypocrite? — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 00:37, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

outside comments[edit]

You must remember that many Ukrainian nationalists who live in Canada and USA have parents or grand parents who served in the Great Patriotic War on the German side. Some of them were like John Demjanjuk, others served in the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Ukrainian). Please do not offend them when they make anti-semitic remarks - they all club together and may get you banned for not being a racist like they are.--Toddy1 (talk) 21:55, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Whatever gave you that idea? Emblem-cool.svg. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 15:44, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

I strongly resent that. ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 23:33, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

About the article "Tymoshenko"[edit]

Hi, Yulia Romero. You are returned to the article "black PR against Tymoshenko". In reality "The Kyoto money" Tymoshenko transferred to the Pension Fund of Ukraine. And it's not "abuse" as you say in the article. Audit firms «Covington & Burling» and "BDO USA" carried out an inspection and concluded:

Two firms retained by former Ukrainian Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko to examine the charges of abuse of power and improper use of budgetary funds brought against her by the Ukrainian government have said there is no factual basis for the accusations.
The law firm, Covington and Burling LLP, and the accounting company, BDO USA, also presented their analysis of a report conducted by two other U.S. firms that serves as the basis for the Ukrainian government's charges against Tymoshenko. This report, by the two U.S. law firms Trout Cacheris and Akin Gump, is not "worth the paper it is written on," according to Bruce Baird, a partner at Covington and Burling.
Trout Cacheris and Akin Gump presented a report in October 2010, which was solicited and paid for by the Ukrainian government, in which they claimed that Tymoshenko improperly handled revenues received in 2009 from the exchange of carbon emission credits under the Kyoto Protocol.
They alleged that she had used carbon credit funds which were meant to be used for pensions.(сайт "Radio Liberty, Radio free Europe", June 17, 2011).

My article on Wikipedia-ru:

  • "The criminal cases against Yulia Tymoshenko since 2010" — "Уголовные дела в отношении Юлии Тимошенко с 2010 года";
  • "The criminal case against Tymoshenko allies since 2010" — "Уголовные дела в отношении соратников Тимошенко с 2010 года". Yours sincerely --Vles1 (talk) 20:59, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Dear Vles; All your edits in the article have shown that you are not interested in informing readers about Ms. Tymoshenko but that you are only interested in promoting her and wikipedia is not a tool for promoting people. If you would be interesting in informing about Tymoshenko you would also be interesting in adding info like Yushchenko testified against old Orange ally Tymoshenko. Please stay away of Wikipedia if you are only interested in whitewashing people...

Wikipedia should not be stuffed with details in my opinion but should readers give a short biography that is easy to read (wikipedia articles should not became +300 page bookes). Stuffing articles full of details about reports of US-firms or other details about court cases (like Yushchenko's testimony) is in my view not necessary. Furthermore I strongly have the idea that the reports where ordered by Tymoshenko herself and are therefore no reliable source. but it does not matter since the info does not belong in Wikipedia.

In no way the current Yulia Tymoshenko English Wikipedia article could be seen as "Black PR".... It is stated she is accused of illegal actions; no where in the article this is judged. You seem to mistake neutrality towards a subject with "anything that is not promotional is negative information". I personally like Yulyu and that is way I want to give her a good wikipedia article; not a laughable promotion page that does not mention anything vaguely negative about her.
Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 16:01, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Не дивно, що Ющенко проти Тимошенко. Адже Тимошенко - зруйнувала "корупційну кормушку Ющенка - РосУкрЕнерго", а також Ющенко-Фірташ-Ахметов-Янукович у квітні-2007 віддали собі на 50 років в оренду "весь шельф Чорного моря" - а Тимошенко забрала цей ласий шматок, і повернула шельф державі. Тому корупціонер Ющенко - проти Тимошенко. Що тут нового; Ви про це не чули? Дивно, що Ви робите посилання на "свідчення Ющенка" — Ющенко сам злодій. А ось Тимошенко навіть "генпрокуратура Януковича" не звинувачує в крадіжці (або присвоєння коштів). Ющенко вже давно (з 2006-2007 років) - такий же ворог Тимошенко, як і Янукович.
У Вас дуже застарілі знання про ситуацію в Україні. Ющенко сьогодні в Україні трактується як "політичний карлик з рейтингом 1%", і як політик, який густо забруднений "корупцією в рамках РосУкрЕнерго і бізнесмена Фірташа". Тимошенко-БЮТ (травень 2011) подали на Фірташа-РосУкрЕнерго в суд Нью-Йорка - і коли справа дійде до суду, то там спливе і "корупційна справа Ющенка". Так що про Ющенка забудьте - цей політик сприймається в Україні як "зразок зради та корупції", тому і рейтинг у нього 1% (а навесні 2005 рейтинг Ющенка був 65%).
Тепер про "зловживання Тимошенко". Для Вас, напевно, буде відкриттям, що навіть генпрокуратура України не звинувачує Тимошенко в "привласненні або розкраданні коштів". Ні на одну копійку Тимошенко не звинувачена в "привласненні або крадіжці коштів" - по всіх відкритим справах! А у Вікіпедіі-анг написано, що Тимошенко "зловживала на 425 млн. дол." — Цю фразу більшість читачів розуміє як "розкрадання, крадіжки, корупція". А насправді — генпрокуратура звинувачує Тимошенко в "перерахування цих 425 млн. дол. до Пенсійного Фонду України". Тобто в Вікіпедії-англ з цього питання — брехня і чорний піар. Сподіваюся, Ви це визнаєте.
Крім того, дуже важливо, що в "газовому суді" - суддя не взяв до уваги матеріалів "Ернст енд Янг" (ця аудиторська фірма щорічно перевіряє Нафтогаз, для того, щоб іноземні партнери - мали правильне уявлення про стан справ у Нафтогазі); і там ясно сказано, що ніяких збитків у Нафтогазу-2009 не було.
І так далі. А стаття про "суд над Тимошенко" (у Вікіпедії-англ) - це навіть не "позиція генпрокуратури Януковича", а набагато більш брудний "збірник чорного піару". Точніше будьте у фактах - і Ви відразу перейдете на мою сторону.
Політики Євросоюзу говорять, що "Україна це найбільш олігархічна держава Європи". Дійсно, "олігархи Україна" вельми багаті, а народ бідний — тому олігархи часто купують "будь-якого політика України" (Ющенко, В'ячеслав Кириленко, Анатолій Гриценко, Яценюк, Тягнибок), крім Тимошенко. Тому вони і намагаються "необгрунтовано судити Тимошенко" — і це не моя думка, а думка постанов Євросоюзу, всього світу. А Ваша думка — як у Ющенка і Януковича, але вони за 2004-2011 роки замішані у привласненні-крадіжці величезних коштів: Криворіжсталь (прем'єр-міністр Янукович вкрав на 4 млрд. дол.); РосУкрЕнерго (вкрадено на 4 млрд. дол), "шельф Чорного моря" (шельф був вкрадений Ющенком-Фірташем та Януковичем-Ахметовим, а шельф коштує сотні млрд. дол.). І тому рейтинг Ющенко 1%; а рейтинг Януковича "впав в три рази за останній рік" - це загальновідомо. --Vles1 (talk) 22:44, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
І якщо у Вас є сумніви в "несправедливому характері суду над Тимошенко" - то вже всі світові ЗМІ розібрали це питання, і навіть в останній серії серіалу "Сімпсони" (сезон 23, серія 1) - Україною керує "гангстер Віктор (Янукович)" (щоб почитати коментарі в Україні - наберіть в Google "Янукович Сімпсони" або "Янукович Симпсоны").--Vles1 (talk) 23:05, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

I speak barely Ukrainian and I don't speak Russian (the languages I do speak are clerly stated on my userpage); if you don't speak English please stay away from English Wikipedia. I am not going to respond on anything in Russian on talkpages since this is English Wikipedia. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 12:52, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Please do not remove from the article "Tymoshenko" mention of Wilfried Martens and John McCain. These two policies have played a huge role in the protection of Tymoshenko. We are sincerely grateful to them.
Sorry for the Russian language. I have translated into Ukrainian, translated into English for too long. --Vles1 (talk) 01:07, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Done! Please never forget that both sides of the story need to be told; if there are possible more explanations to actions they should be told in Wikipedia even if (at first) the look like a cheap excuse to you. Apology excepted of course. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 02:32, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Yulia Romero, thanks for the good version editing. --Vles1 (talk) 00:26, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
No problemo! — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 21:17, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Off topic[edit]

I know this is hardly WP related but do you know any really good online resources for learning Ukrainian. I've met very few people attempting to learn it and only found some fairly basic tapes from Pimsleur that I've completed along with some pages on cases & grammar in general.--Senor Freebie (talk) 10:33, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

I have met an American this summer who recommend Livemocha to me when I stated something similar as your words above to him. But I have not tried it myself yet... — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 18:35, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
To study the Ukrainian language, there are books (these books can be purchased online, cost about $ 25):
— Franko R.Ukrainian for speakers of English. Text. Introductory an Intermediate levels. – Calgary – Alberta.
— Colloqual Ukrainian. By Jan Press and Stefan Pugh.-London and New York, 1994.
— Ukrainian (Teach yourself book). A complete course for begininers by Olena Bekh and James Dingly. – London, 1998.
— Modern Ukrainian. By Assya Humesky. – Toronto, 1988.
— Українська мова для студентів-іноземців підготовчого відділення. Розмовно-фонетичний курс. Корженко В. Я., Корженко З. П., Горчинська Л. В. — Київ.
Also audio dictation (free) - Ukrainian language. Audio-collection of texts for dictations. 650 Mb --Vles1 (talk) 23:48, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for both of your help. The audio dictation link you provided however seems to have expired. Is there another source to find it from?--Senor Freebie (talk) 03:48, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
Item 2 (мова -9 клас.zip) click "завантажити" ("upload") - and download the file "мова -9 клас.zip" (in which dictations in *. mp3 format). At the present moment I download normally. Another source I do not know. --Vles1 (talk) 19:24, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
The link simply takes me to the front page (a redirect). Searching for the ID and file name tells me that they're not there.--Senor Freebie (talk) 13:21, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Just to say Thank you![edit]

Dear Yulia,

thank you for your kind advices! Orekhova (talk) 06:47, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Please do not remove the old editor "Genealogy."[edit]

Hi, Yulia Romero.

Tymoshenko's great-grandfather sat in Stalin's camps for ten years "for nothing." And this is important - to give this information on the background of the fact that Tymoshenko herself sitting "for nothing."

The origin of the Tymoshenko constantly rising. Therefore, it should be in the main article.--Vles1 (talk) 11:10, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Alrighty then. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 21:04, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Ukrainian nationalist vandal[edit]

Yulia, greetings. There's another Ukrainian nationalist vandal at work removing Russian name variants in eastern Ukraine and placing ridiculous citation tags at various articles including Dnipropetrovsk, Luhansk, Donetsk, Sumy, Romny, Lozovaya, etc. --Taivo (talk) 23:28, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Greetings back. I have no idea how the reason behind his actions could be constructive. I hope he learned something from his (justified) ban. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 20:33, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

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Thank you very much![edit]

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thank you very much for your acknowledgement of my efforts! --Orekhova (talk) 07:19, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Cite clutter[edit]

There is a policy WP:CITECLUTTER against having 5-15 footnote marks against a single point. Your recent edit to the article on Corruption in Ukraine is in breach of this guideline.

Tymoshenko was sentenced to seven years in prison on October 11, 2011 (an appeal is currently pending[55]).[56][57][58][56][59][60][61][56][59][62][63][64]

Please fix it.--Toddy1 (talk) 21:59, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Done. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 22:03, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Reference Note #7 of Ukrainian parliamentary election, 2012‎[edit]

Добриден Yulia, could you fix the reference note numbered "7"? – because it has red-coloured "Wikibot text" in it rather than a reference. Just a heads up. – Jwkozak91 (talk) 22:48, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Done (by hand)... But not to worry; I was counting on my friend AnomieBOT to do it for me. Just like she did it here and here (where it took her 8 days to fix the ref; but she did do it). I use AnomieBOT quite a lot to speed up the "copy and pasting" of references. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 23:17, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks and sorry Yulia Romero – having WikiBots do mundane tasks is beyond my level of sophistication! :-) Cheers! – Jwkozak91 (talk) 19:54, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Dnepropetrovsk - request for comment[edit]

If you have time please could you comment on whether the article on the city of Dnepropetrovsk should have a list of mayors as part of the article, or whether the list should be a separate article. The list can be seen in old versions of the article, but was deleted on 18 November.

Please post your comments at Talk:Dnepropetrovsk#List of mayors and political chiefs of the city administration.--Toddy1 (talk) 10:33, 20 November 2011 (UTC)


Good to see there are still people expanding Wikipedia's coverage of Ukraine on here! I come and go mostly, but if you have any ideas on an article collaboration, lets try something! What I have so far is User:DDima/Sandbox/Vorontsov Palace, feel free to help out,... it can definitely be expanded and finished to a FA article. —ddima (talk) 08:22, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment and offer; but as you may have noticed by now I am not that active on Wikipedia anymore (since last summer). So I am sorry to say I am declining your offer for now; I still will be updating articles but these days my other hobbies I enjoy more then writing articles for Wikipedia. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 18:00, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, same here. Lol. Not enough time for everything I need to do! _dsergienko_ 22:06, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Ukrainian television programming[edit]

See my proposal to merge Category:Ukrainian television programming into Category:Ukrainian television programs (or vice versa) Hugo999 (talk) 04:25, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Mykola Leontovych[edit]

His music is world known: listen. He deseves his place!-- (talk) 16:25, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

I have nothing against Mykola Leontovych; but I do believe that Symon Petliura better represents the times in Ukraine in his lifetime and the lifetime of Mykola Leontovych, a.k.a. Ukraine after the Russian Revolution, then Leontovych. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 19:21, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

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