User talk:Zanhe

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Chinese star maps[edit]

Hi, can you do me a favour and get rid of the nasty sourcing on this?♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:03, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

What a sorry mess! I've made a first stab at copyediting and taking out the garbage, but beyond that there's not much I can do. This is a subject that I know little about. -Zanhe (talk) 21:31, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
Yup! Thanks Zanhe. In another week or so I'll be asking you for some more Chinese rivers to put up on the board!♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:51, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Shang dynasty[edit]

Thanks. I am trying my best to be unbiased in filling in the holes in East Asian and Southeast Asian history and prehistory. I am noticing that the development of early China, according to the latest research, was much more diverse than was previously thought. I can see how this would be an uncomfortable subject for some, but that doesn't mean it should be ignored or silenced. I was also going to post new evidence supporting the Aryan Invasion of India but am now hesitant because of all the "poltics" that seem to be involved. --Easy772 (talk) 04:36, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

@Easy772: There are a lot of politics on Wikipedia and plenty of POV pushers, but I don't think this dispute is evidence of that. Most long-term editors are quite fair-minded (or they wouldn't survive for long on Wikipedia), and Kanguole is the most knowledgeable editor I know wrt to Chinese linguistics. I'm no linguist myself, but I've read The Cambridge History of Ancient China from front to back, as well as other writings by Keightley, Nivison, Shaughnessy, and so on, and what you added is really not academic consensus. Early China was very diverse for sure, and both Chinese and Western academia have agreed on that since the 1980s (although the media and public perception still tend to cling to long-held myths and traditions). But with regard to the language of Shang, the consensus is that it was ancestral to modern Chinese. -Zanhe (talk) 05:16, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

I am not a linguist either, just a history and anthropology enthusiast. I'm also new to editing wiki. According to the reliable sourcing article both majority and minority views must be taken into account. I am not so much trying to show Shang language was surely Austro-Asiatic but rather educate readers and other enthusiasts to the different views of respected scholars. Also a scholarly consensus must be cited not that I doubt you. I think the rules are quite clear here. I am confident my sources meet the criteria for Wikipedia and will compromise on the tone of my edits, but I feel like these new findings definitely deserve to be on the Shang page and much more questionable material has been Overlooked articles by users criticizing my sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Easy772 (talkcontribs) 07:07, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Zhang Haidi[edit]

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 23:24, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Chen Gang[edit]

Hi Zanhe, I created an article for a bizarre case of a suicide of a mid-level academic official in China named Chen Gang. I got a GNG tag slapped onto the article shortly after I created it, and then I attempted to improve it through more reliable sources. In any case, I was wondering if you could give it a quick readthrough and give me some advice as to what else I need to do to establish GNG or just about the article in general. For what it's worth this article will unquestionably meet GNG requirements at the Chinese Wikipedia. I do plan to nominate it for DYK! Colipon+(Talk) 03:15, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

@Colipon: This appears to be WP:1E. The person himself seems to be non-notable, but his suicide has been widely reported in China, so it may be notable. My suggestion is to rename the article to Suicide of Chen Gang, and add more sources to establish lasting effects and depth/duration of coverage. See WP:EVENTCRIT. -Zanhe (talk) 08:15, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Yueshi culture[edit]

Hi, Zanhe. I've now added more stuff and refs to Yueshi culture, so now the article seems fine. Hope you like it. In particular, the dissertation by Min Li is quite relevant, with a lot more useful material there. All the best, Y-barton (talk) 06:41, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

@Y-barton: Thanks for your improvement, it looks great! I've started a DYK nomination, just in time to beat the 7-day deadline. You may wish to keep an eye on the nomination page and/or suggest alternative hooks. It's great to see editors like you work on Chinese archaeology, which is a completely neglected area. Of the thousands of archaeological sites in China protected on the national level, only a few have articles. Even glorious cultures like Liangzhu and Longshan only have short articles. I also noticed your work on Niuheliang, thank you very much! -Zanhe (talk) 08:28, 10 June 2015 (UTC)


Wedding of Prince Carl Philip, Duke of Värmland, and Sofia Hellqvist.--BabbaQ (talk) 23:02, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Duke Hu of Chen[edit]

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DYK nomination of Duke Huan of Chen[edit]

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Duke Huan of Chen at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Viriditas (talk) 01:43, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm in the middle of something right now, but when I get a chance, I'll try and do a more thorough review if another reviewer doesn't step in first. Viriditas (talk) 20:02, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Duke Hu of Chen[edit]

Thanks for this Victuallers (talk) 21:52, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

DRN:Shang dynasty[edit]

Hey, listen, Easy filed a DRN: Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard#Talk:Shang dynasty.23Language discussion

He neglected to include a number of active participants, including you. You might want to go to the page above and request you be added, or just add yourself, I'm actually unclear which is correct.

The fact that he only included three people, and some of the people he included were prominent discussants, is making me feel unkind thoughts about his motivations. Ogress smash! 23:35, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

@Ogress: Thanks for letting me know. I've never been involved in a DRN before, so am not too sure about its procedure. I'll give my two cents when I figure out how it works. Cheers, -Zanhe (talk) 07:22, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
You just write briefly what you think about the dispute, your position, like "I believe the argument has been made that ..." in the section under your name and wait. Ogress smash! 16:44, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

ITN for Qiao Shi[edit]

--SpencerT♦C 01:40, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Chen Qiufa[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:58, 16 June 2015 (UTC)


Hi, Zanhe - where do you find these photos for the Chinese politicians? I was thinking of digging up some photos for the people at this list. Colipon+(Talk) 21:02, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

@Colipon: I simply search for their Chinese names on Google images, and look for old photos whose copyright has expired (more than 50 years), or recent ones that are hosted on US government sites so likely copyright-free (easier for generals than politicians, it seems as if every Chinese general had paid an official visit to the US!) -Zanhe (talk) 05:13, 17 June 2015 (UTC)


Hi Zanhe -- I have been following an important article that I think needs major reworking. I want to summon the help of many editors by nominating it for Good Article and offering a large number of specific suggestions, so many, in fact, that they would swamp the TalkPAge. Would it be the best thing to make a userspace sandbox and post the link on the TalkPage? Or is swamping the TalkPage not a problem?

I do not want to be or seem critical of the editor who has taken over the article, for there has been a great amount of energy put into it and the editor should be applauded and encouraged to keep up the good work but to follow Wikipedia guidelines.

Maybe I should create a userspace article with a neutral name for you and a few others to give advice on. Not sure the best way to proceed.

My larger purpose is to argue that Wikipedia has now reached the stage where there are many major articles that need basic work but that editors (such as me) are more tempted to create new articles than to work on old ones. So rather than simply jump in and get into disputes, I want to raise the issue and start a process (of course, the immediate purpose is to make the article acceptable).

Any thoughts? Thanks once again in any case. ch (talk) 16:58, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

@CWH: I can totally relate to the temptation of creating new articles over the dreary task of cleaning up other people's mess. Wrt your plan, if the comments you plan to post are pertinent to the improvement to the article, I don't think you need to worry about "swamping" the talk page. You can always move the discussion to a subpage later on if it does turn out to be too long. Creating a userspace article would certainly help other people see exactly what you're trying to achieve, so it may be helpful, but I usually just try to be bold and change the article directly. It depends on how comfortable you feel about the risk of being reverted. If you don't mind sharing the name of the article, I'll add it to my watchlist (although I'll take a wikibreak soon for the summer so may not be able to help too much). -Zanhe (talk) 20:31, 17 June 2015 (UTC)


I'd like to request closure of this discussion, which is going nowhere. I'm tired of engaging in futile arguments and being accused of base motives. (All I tried to do was to close an out-of-date nom – which got reopened almost immediately, then posted short-term.) Unfortunately, I found instructions at WP:ANRFC confusing (as I often do). Can you just close it and put us all our of our misery? Thank you. Sca (talk) 14:44, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

@Sca: I agree the discussion was becoming counterproductive and should not continue. Looks like Spencer has already closed it. Let's all move on. Cheers! -Zanhe (talk) 00:53, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
This user no longer responds to, or comments upon, statements made anywhere on Wikipedia by TRM. Sca (talk) 00:56, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
Hurrah! The Rambling Man (talk) 06:53, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Lord Pingyuan[edit]

 — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:46, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Kishu mandarin[edit]

Hello. You removed the ref to [1], quite reasonably, on the grounds that it is a blog. It claims to be sourced from the Japanese Wikipedia article; can you, or anyone you know, check this, and transfer its sources if possible? HLHJ (talk) 18:50, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Yueshi culture[edit]

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Yueshi culture at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 20:32, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Tan Khoen Swie[edit]

Hi there. If you have time to check back in from your summer break, could you add the Mandarin version of Tan Khoen Swie's name to his article? Yeah, it's been forever, I know. The name's available in this book on page 363. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:24, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

I know, it's been a while. And you've got a new sig, almost didn't recognize you. It's done. Oh, I still haven't started Wu Cun/Wu Tsun yet. Maybe after the summer. Cheers, -Zanhe (talk) 12:40, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
  • I haven't had much time to write either; two big translating projects, a digitization project, and a new baby have ways of sapping up time. Thanks muchly. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 08:57, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
  • @Crisco 1492: Congratulations on your new baby! I know how exciting and exhausting it can simultaneously be. Enjoy the adventure! -Zanhe (talk) 00:21, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Thanks. He's sleeping pretty well now, thankfully. Though since he's our first, naturally, we worry about every little thing. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:23, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks very much...[edit]

...for your support over at my RfA. I shall do my best to be worthy of it. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 00:42, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Duke Huan of Chen[edit]

Gatoclass (talk) 01:50, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Hou Yao[edit]

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DYK for Duke Xuan of Chen[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:21, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Formal mediation has been requested[edit]

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WP: Intertranswiki[edit]

Hi, can you add Sichuan rivers for round 7?♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:09, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

@Dr. Blofeld: I'm travelling for the summer, with little spare time and often patchy internet access. Anything requiring more than a few clicks would be challenging. I probably won't be able to do much until sometime in August. Cheers, -Zanhe (talk) 00:13, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
OK, I'll hide it until August then, enjoy your well deserved holiday!♦ Dr. Blofeld 05:18, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Yueshi culture‎[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:51, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Permission to pregnancy[edit]

Hello! I wanted to work on permission to pregnancy practiced in China recently but you reverted the relavant edit here. Doesn't it sound fitting for an article?Sattar91 (talk) 09:36, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

@Sattar91: You're not supposed to add a red link to the "see also" section. You can add it after the article is created. Cheers! -Zanhe (talk) 21:30, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Hou Yao[edit]

 — Chris Woodrich (talk) 12:55, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

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Brownie transparent.png Thanks for the hint! habve a good summer.. Sattar91 (talk) 13:49, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

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Sources discussion[edit]

Hi Zanhe, there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chinese_history#Direct_dynastic_histories_citations on the use of Chinese dynastic histories as sources in which you may be interested.  White Whirlwind  咨  17:48, 21 July 2015 (UTC)