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Chu state


You removed too much info in the rulers section, such as Battle of Bi for King Zhuang of Chu, King Zhao of Chu who fled to Sui State after Wu State captured Ying. These are referenced in Shiji among others such as Zhan Guo Ce. Please do not be so free handed/ freewheeling when editing out from an article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:56, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Well, the article is about the state, not about the kings. I felt that it should not be bogged down by so many details of the individual kings. Truly significant events should go in the history section. Zanhe (talk) 23:35, 6 January 2012 (UTC)


...for your help re: maintaining "Sino-Sikh War". -- Zanimum (talk) 15:07, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

No problem. That was a particularly pernicious vandal. Zanhe (talk) 19:48, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

DYK issue with Wu Ying

Symbol question.svg Hi Zanhe, I've reviewed your nomination at Template:Did you know nominations/Wu Ying and I have an issue with paraphrasing. Could you see my comments at the nomination page and reply there? Thanks. --Epipelagic (talk) 07:41, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, replied at the entry. --Zanhe (talk) 19:20, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Wu Ying

The DYK project (nominate) 08:02, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Re: Xinye Village DYK

Hi. I'm currently reviewing this DYK, and I wanted to communicate with you here first before I finish the review.

  • You submitted this DYK under the wrong date and almost a day late. In the future, please be mindful of the UTC date in the page history and the five day window.
You're right, I think it was off by 8 or 9 hours because I forgot to take into account the time difference. Sorry about the oversight.
  • Do you know if there are any English sources on this subject? I've used Google Translate to attempt to verify the content, and while I found it to support it in general, I had some issues with certain details such as the hook. For example, is the festival in question primarily devoted to ancestor worship, or does it have another purpose? In an English translation of the source, it says, "The annual Lunar New Year, March 3, new leaf village will hold a grand ceremony of ancestor worship." Obviously, this translation leaves much to be desired, but could you explain the difference between the annual Lunar New Year and the ancestor worship ceremony, if in fact there is a difference? I ask because the DYK says that the village "holds an ancestor worshipping festival every year". Do you see what I'm getting at?
Google translation is a bit wacky here. The original text says "The annual lunar calendar March 3", not lunar new year. The rest of the sentence is correct, and the purpose of the festival is primarily ancestor worship. There are some English sources, though not as detailed. I'll add a few to the article at appropriate places.
  • How would you feel about mentioning the festival in the lead?
That'll be fine. I'll add it.
  • I'm assuming the translation is your own. Is that correct? Is this a translation of the sister article on zh, and are you User:Zhangzhugang?
It's my own translation, but it's not a translation of the zh article which is a lot shorter. I only used the images from there. No, I have no connection with User:Zhangzhugang, who wrote the zh article.
  • Google Translate says the editor's name for the Jiande News link is "Chu Ling Juan". If this is accurate, can we add it as the author? I would like to see references fleshed out whenever possible.
Sure, I'll add it.

Thanks in advance. Viriditas (talk) 05:53, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to review my nomination. --Zanhe (talk) 06:13, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Commenting here after a request on my talk page. For the second point, I'm reading Google's horrible translation as "As done annually on the Lunar Year, on 3 March Xinye village will hold a grand ceremony for ancestor worship". Admittedly I don't speak Mandarin, and I'm suspicious of them saying that the Lunar New Year is on 3 March (this year it was on 23 January). Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:26, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
Google translation is wrong. The original text says "The annual lunar calendar March 3", not lunar new year. The lunar new year always falls on Jan 1 of the lunar calendar (Jan 23 of the Gregorian calendar this year). Zanhe (talk) 06:13, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your response. What's your time frame for fixing Xinye Village and clarifying the issues I discussed? Viriditas (talk) 23:23, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
I worked on the article a bit today. I think I'll be able to finish it in 24 hours. Thanks. --Zanhe (talk) 07:29, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
All you have to do is cite me the passage from the ref you just added that supports the hook. Viriditas (talk) 10:29, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
Unfortunately the rest of that article is behind a pay wall and I have no access. So I changed hook to a fact mentioned in a CNN article in English. That should make things easier. --Zanhe (talk) 22:16, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

South Tibet redirect


I have reverted your edit on the South Tibet page as there is currently a discussion ongoing at Talk:South_Tibet_dispute#An_attempt_to_find_a_neutral_solution. I am also not in favor of a redirect of South Tibet to Arunachal Pradesh and have suggested to make South Tibet a disambiguation page.

But I don't think that "South Tibet" as a geographic (or political) entity should redirect to a page describing a territorial dispute, as this would be mixing concepts.--Pseudois (talk) 07:56, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

You're conveniently forgetting the fact that the page now called "South Tibet dispute" was previously called South Tibet until RegentsPark moved it without seeking consensus. I was only trying to undo the damage he did. But I don't want to be involved in an edit war, so I'm not going to revert your edit before the current move request reaches a conclusion. However, it was definitely uncool of you to start an edit war in the middle of an ongoing discussion. --Zanhe (talk) 03:31, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
My only interest on this page is to safeguard the Encyclopaedic nature of Wikipedia. All previous versions do not satisfy this requirement. I have reverted your edits as I had the feeling that you were starting an edit war and had personal issues with RegentsPark. I never edited any article in the past related to this topic, and never had any interaction neither with you nor with Regentspark, so I thought I could attempt a kind a mediation with my propoal of creating a disambiguation page for this topic. Please let's not forget that neutrality is a core principle of WP and all our edits should go in that direction. Thank you.--Pseudois (talk) 04:19, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
PS. If I restablished RegentsPark version of "South Tibet", it is because your redirect does not correspond to the current content of "South Tibet dispute". We have many articles in WP with links to "South Tibet", and these internal links do not aim to refer to the political dispute but to a geographic area. Currently "Arunachal Pradesh" is the closer article we have corresponding to "South Tibet". Let's see what happens with the disambiguation proposal.--Pseudois (talk) 04:25, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
I never had any interaction with RegentsPark until I realized that he redirected the page even though two previous proposals to do so had been rejected (I wasn't involved in those discussions, by the way). This kind of blatant violation of Wikipedia policies is simply not to be tolerated, especially when it was committed by an administrator who's well aware of them. If you want to safeguard Wikipedia, I invite you to join me in my demand to undo his action. --Zanhe (talk) 04:51, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
I think both the previous and the current titles are not good options, so I won't waste time into looking who is wrong/right and will remain neutral on this issue (and I'm not much interested in disputes anyway). What about my proposal to create a disambiguation page?--Pseudois (talk) 05:09, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
So your position is that violations of official policies by administrators should be condoned, and trying to undo such violations is a waste of time? I also try to spend most of my time writing articles and avoid getting into disputes, but what RegentsPark did was just too egregious to ignore. Right now I'm still waiting to hear his explanation of his actions before considering the next move. --Zanhe (talk) 05:35, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
Please read again what I wrote. I neither criticized nor supported your approach, I just said that I have no interest in being dragged into this dispute. I don't know if there was a violation of policy or not, and the issue about violation does not interest me in this particular case because I think that both titles are not suitable. In other words my position is that I have no position regarding your dispute, but I have instead proposed an alternative (make "South Tibet" a diambiguation page). I think these articles should not become hostage of your issue with RengentsPark. Other editors' inputs should be respected and treated with their due value.--Pseudois (talk) 06:49, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
Well, action speaks louder than words. When you started with twice reverting my edits in the middle of the ongoing discussion, it is hard for me to believe it when you say you're trying to stay neutral, and it's hard for anyone to believe that you're being "dragged" into the dispute. As for your proposal for dab page, I will reply soon at the article talk page. --Zanhe (talk) 22:13, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Xinye Village

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Xinye Village at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Viriditas (talk) 11:31, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Sima de las Cotorras

The DYK project (nominate) 16:02, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Xinye Village

Rschen7754 01:41, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Lagunas de Montebello National Park

The DYK project (nominate) 16:42, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

South Tibet/ Arunachal Pradesh / Arunachal Pradesh dispute / South Tibet dispute

As a participant to previous discussions at the South Tibet/ Arunachal Pradesh / Arunachal Pradesh dispute / South Tibet dispute talk page, you might be interested to participate to the following poll. Thanks, --Pseudois (talk) 04:34, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

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Many thanks, ELEKHHT 01:06, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Zanhe (talk) 01:30, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Wey state??

Why did you turn Wei state into Wey? (talk) 12:57, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Because it's generally spelled Wey in English to distinguish from the bigger Wei state. --Zanhe (talk) 13:49, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for King Gong of Chu

Orlady (talk) 08:02, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for King Kang of Chu

Orlady (talk) 08:02, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

State of Wei

周朝时期至少有三个国家发音为Wei,这三个国家分别是zh:魏国 (西周至春秋)zh:卫国zh:魏国,不知道你打算如何处理?另外,楚国君主的姓氏真未必是芈姓熊氏,中文页面上楚国条目中的姓氏只是因为我看不下留白,然后瞎填的,金文中熊字的原字酓很多学者解读为某种头衔或称号而不是氏。——11:52, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

在英文书籍里卫国经常写作Wey。我觉得zh:魏国 (西周至春秋)可以叫 Wei (Western Zhou),你觉得怎么样?或者在魏国历史里提一句即可,因为它可以当成是魏国的前身。至于楚国姓氏,两千多年来都作芈姓熊氏。我认为除非有确凿证据推翻这一说法,我们还是应该遵循惯例。--Zanhe (talk) 03:56, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
两个魏国不是前身后世的关系,其他的你看着办吧,我现在没精力解决这种事情。另外你撰写维基太依赖于史记,而史记的很多内容是不可靠的。——星光下的人 (talk) 10:42, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
其实我主要参考的是韩兆琦译注的史记,他的注解里指出了很多史记的错误。我写维基时会将史记中的重大错误指出,比如在 Xiong ZhiXiong Kang。如果我有遗漏的话欢迎指正。--Zanhe (talk) 21:35, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Duke Jing of Jin (Jiao)

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Duke Jing of Jin (Jiao) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! The Interior (Talk) 21:05, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Han (state)

Hi, regarding adding 'Han' back to personal names, I wanted to let you know that Jin (Chinese state) follows the same convention. Hanfresco (talk) 08:20, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

The situations are different. The Jin rulers did not use clan names, the Qin rulers' clan name was disputed, but the Han rulers are known to use Han as their clan name. The rulers of Chu, Qi, Zhao, and Wei also had well known clan names. I think when the clan names are well known, they should be included for completeness. --Zanhe (talk) 19:28, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
Ah, okay then. :) Hanfresco (talk) 00:50, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Duke Chu of Jin

PanydThe muffin is not subtle 08:07, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Duke Jing of Jin (Jiao)

PanydThe muffin is not subtle 08:03, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Duke Jing of Jin (Ju)

PanydThe muffin is not subtle 08:04, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Yang Kuan

PanydThe muffin is not subtle 08:03, 2 May 2012 (UTC)


我都不知道你资料从哪蹦出来的,秦国从秦襄公开始才是伯爵,前面几代全是附庸,那个秦侯的翻译完全不知所云。秦国一出子一出公,后面那个出公确实可以叫出子,但前面那个绝没有叫出公。——星光下的人 (talk) 06:28, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Replied on the article talk pages. --Zanhe (talk) 19:18, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi Zanhe, see my reply to your use of I's and II's at User talk:星光下的人. Hanfresco (talk) 08:27, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
  • ,韩兆琦的注叫做“或曰”,你不会没看到这两个字吧?这仅仅是梁玉绳一家的猜测,他自己都不能肯定,而且根本没人支持此说,你还要坚持?
  • 秦宪公那个是我弄错,但你把一个已经被证明是错的宁公来消歧义完全是四不像,就是宁公不错也不可能用两说的谥号来消歧义。
  • 自己仔细读《秦本纪》和《秦始皇本纪》,前一个秦出子没有被叫做秦出公,后一个秦出公则也叫秦出子,这已经可以消歧义了,用不着一世二世。
    • 《史记·秦本纪》:生出子。宁公卒,大庶长弗忌、威垒、三父废太子而立出子为君。出子六年,三父等复共令人贼杀出子。出子生五岁立,立六年卒。
    • 《史记·秦本纪》:惠公十二年,子出子生。十三年,伐蜀,取南郑。惠公卒,出子立。 之出子二年,庶长改迎灵公之子献公于河西而立之。杀出子及其母,沈之渊旁。
    • 《史记·秦始皇本纪》:出子享国六年,居西陵。庶长弗忌、威累、参父三人,率贼贼出子鄙衍,葬衙。武公立。
    • 《史记·秦始皇本纪》:出公享国二年。出公自杀,葬雍。

——星光下的人 (talk) 01:54, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Moving discussions to relevant article talk pages: Talk:Chuzi I‎, Talk:Duke Xian of Qin (Duke Ning)‎, and Talk:Marquis of Qin, to make them accessible to other people with the same questions. --Zanhe (talk) 01:13, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Feizi

Shubinator (talk) 18:26, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Ye Fei

PanydThe muffin is not subtle 00:03, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! --Zanhe (talk) 02:18, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Duke Wu of Qin

PanydThe muffin is not subtle 00:04, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Duke Xian of Qin (Shixi)

PanydThe muffin is not subtle 00:05, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Duke Xiang of Qin

Hi for Template:Did you know nominations/Duke Xiang of Qin I am expecting you to review two articles, as you put in two here. Once you have reviewed another one this can move forward. (We have a bit of a reviewer shortage!) Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:00, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Done. --Zanhe (talk) 19:02, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Duke Xiang of Qin

Orlady (talk) 00:05, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Duke Zhuang of Qin

Orlady (talk) 00:05, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Duke Jing of Qin

Carabinieri (talk) 08:04, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Duke Xiang of Qi

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:04, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Duke Huan of Lu

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:05, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Wen Jiang

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:05, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Wukui

Yngvadottir (talk) 16:04, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Duke Xiao of Qi

Yngvadottir (talk) 16:04, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Duke Zhao of Qi

Yngvadottir (talk) 16:04, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Duke Yì of Qi

Yngvadottir (talk) 16:05, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Duke Hui of Qi

Yngvadottir (talk) 16:05, 25 May 2012 (UTC)


Hi Zanhe, just a heads up apropos this discussion, Wikipedia is currently hemorrhaging data on these topics and I am trying to stop it. All assistance welcome :). Best, ► Philg88 ◄ Star.pngtalk 09:31, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Duke Ling of Qi

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:04, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Duke Zhuang II of Qi

Carabinieri (talk) 00:05, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for !voting

Syzygium malaccense, Mangunharjo Orchard, Dlingo, Yogyakarta.jpg at my successful RFA
Thank you, Zanhe, for !voting at my successful RFA; I am humbled that you put your trust in me. I grant you this flower, which, if tended to properly, will grow to be the fruit of Wikipedia's labours. Can't wait to see more about Qi! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:33, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
Congratulations! -Zanhe (talk) 19:25, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Duke Jing of Qi

 !Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:02, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Duke Tai of Tian Qi

Thanks from me and the wiki Victuallers (talk) 08:04, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

25 Did you knows

Dyk25CE.svg The 25 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal
Well usually I have to look and see what people do but it this case I know your work from see the unusual word Qin on the DYK suggestions page. Do remember that there is one for 50 too! Thank you on behalf of the wiki and scholars on Qin. Victuallers (talk) 08:47, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
Thank you! -Zanhe (talk) 16:34, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Duke Dao of Qi

The DYK project (nominate) 16:05, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for An Ruzi

The DYK project (nominate) 16:06, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Duke Huan of Tian Qi

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:04, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Yan, Marquis of Tian

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:04, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Li Te

Hello, can you expand Li Te (李特) and creat Li Liu (李流).? (talk) 01:19, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

I mainly work on pre-Qin dynasty history, which still has a ton of work left to do. I'll try to write the two articles if I can find reliable sources about them. However, as I expect to be extremely busy in real life for the next year or so, it's probably going to be a while before that happens. -Zanhe (talk) 19:24, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
Can you help creat a short part of airport/airfield in Woody Island (永兴岛)? Thanks113.168.108.213 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:56, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
Just created Yongxing Island Airport. -Zanhe (talk) 07:43, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Regarding the SIno Indian Conflict

Please refer to my comment on the talk page, and reply to it without blindly reverting the edit again. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 13:02, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

The reasoning for the revert was already specified in the edit summary. See article talk page. -Zanhe (talk) 04:00, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Ming–Hồ War

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:59, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Sino-Indian War

Information.svg An article that you have been involved in editing, Sino-Indian War , has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 16:19, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

June 2012

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Ji (surname)

Don't remove the Ji surname from the articles of Zhou Dynasty nobles. Ji was a surname used by members of Zhou Dynasty reigning family and nobles of the state that were descended from them. There was never a single surname in Chinese history that applied only to woman. Woman receive their surname from their father, period.--The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 01:39, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

You don't seem to understand the difference between the ancestral name and the clan name in pre-Qin dynasty China. The Ji surname of Zhou dynasty nobles was their ancestral name, used by men only to trace their ancestry to prevent marriage between people of the same ancestry. Men were never referred to by their ancestral names, but only clan name + given name, or if he had no clan name, by his given name only (e.g. Xiong Ai, not Mi Ai). Women were referred to by title + ancestral name, such as Wen Jiang and Li Ji. Jiang and Ji were their ancestral names, respectively. Please read Yang Bojun's Annotated Zuo Zhuan or Han Zhaoqi's Annotated Shiji. -Zanhe (talk) 09:48, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
Well I have never read an actual Chinese history book, but I am Chinese. I've heard people like King Wen of Zhou being called Ji Chang and the Chinese wikipedia use the Ji surname side by side with the given name of the person along with the title, ie. 獻公姬具. While I don't doubt that in Zhou time, they would have rarely have done this, but it seems modern Chinese people would use ancestral/clan names like surnames and place in front of their given name. --The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 02:14, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
Unfortunately most people nowadays do not understand the distinction between the ancestral name (姓) and the clan name (氏) of the Zhou dynasty. To make matters worse, modern Chinese surnames are called 姓, originally meaning ancestral name, even though they are mostly derived from ancient clan names. Consequently Wikipedia is full of mistakes. The Chinese Wiki is better in this regard, with most articles on the list of Zhou dynasty monarchs avoid using ancestral names to refer to the male rulers. -Zanhe (talk) 04:52, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
As for the Ji Ji argument. How is Ji Ji and different from Concubine Qi or Consort Yu. Ancestral names/clan names or surname are never in the second character. 季姬 ancestral name should be 季 not 姬; her brother and her father presumably were from the 季 family. How can 姬 be a surname for women whose fathers' are not from the 姬 family? Are you saying in Zhou times, women had their own ancestral names in this case 姬, that are seperate from their father's family? How do you distinguish between if it was a name or the title? Is Qin Shi Huang's mother Zhao Ji or Lady Zhao? --The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 02:14, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
The difference is Ji Ji lived during the Zhou dynasty, while Consort Yu and Concubine Qi lived during the late Qin and early Han dynasties, after the Qin abolished the distinction between the ancestral and clan names.
In the Zhou dynasty, women's names were composed of title and ancestral name, and the ancestral name was always the last character. Ji Ji (季姬)'s ancestral name was 姬, not 季. Her father was Ji Kangzi (季康子), who was referred to by his clan name 季. His ancestral name was 姬, same as the royal house of Lu, as he was descended from the youngest son of Duke Huan of Lu. His ancestral name would never be used except to be passed to his descendants and used by his daughters and his sons' daughters, and so on. -Zanhe (talk) 05:10, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Tibetan sovereignty NPOV section

The NPOV section was getting rather long and unwieldy - therefore I have moved your comments on Mongolia to a new De-jure independence section - I hope you don't mind. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 19:10, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

That's fine. -Zanhe (talk) 19:21, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

Original Barnstar Hires.png The Original Barnstar
For creating or expanding the many articles on Chinese monarchs and airports, thereby improving Wikipedia's geographic balance. Teply (talk) 22:33, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! -Zanhe (talk) 00:24, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

State of Ji

In Duke Xiang of Qi: "state of Qi conquered the neighbouring state of Ji", but in Ji (state): "State of Ji was conquered by the larger State of Yan". What is a trust?-- (talk) 00:05, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

State of Ji (杞) is Qi (Henan)?. Who is "Marquis of Ji" (杞侯), is zh:杞靖公?-- (talk) 00:24, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
No, it's the State of Ji (zh:纪国) in Shandong, which doesn't have an article yet. Ji (state) is zh:薊國, a different state. Qi (Henan) is yet another different state. -Zanhe (talk) 00:30, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!-- (talk) 00:43, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Yibin Wuliangye Airport

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:02, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Re: Cut-and-paste move

I'm sorry for the mistake. Thanks for letting me know! Douglas the Comeback Kid (talk) 02:45, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

No worries! -Zanhe (talk) 05:02, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Minor corrections

Thanks very much for continuing to correct my pinyin misreadings, before the entries become actual articles and moves (and resulting bad re-directs) become required. Sometimes my eyes fail me indeed! GotR Talk 03:15, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Also, you may want to set up automatic archiving with Miszabot III; 70+ sections is slightly overwhelming, although most of them are DYK's that are evidence of your outstanding work. I have yet to write one, as I haven't stumbled across particularly interesting towns. GotR Talk 03:22, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your tireless work sorting out the mess of Chinese towns and townships. You're right, it's probably time to set up archiving for my talk page. -Zanhe (talk) 04:12, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

A cheeseburger for you!

Cheeseburger.png We haven't crossed paths before because I don't edit much prior to 1970, but I saw your user page today and was extremely impressed. Thanks for your thorough work on Chinese monarchs; Wikipedia needs more editors like you. Khazar2 (talk) 20:34, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your kind and encouraging words. -Zanhe (talk) 03:53, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


Back to the topic of the Gongzi-Prince translation, huangdi as emperor, gong as duke, hou as marquis are more common than Gongzi as Prince because the title Gongzi evolved into a phrase that refer to anyone's son in later Chinese history. Is it too much to ask if you insist on the Gongzi-Prince translation that you add a footnote saying something that this a translation of the title Gongzhi and not the Wang-Prince translation.--The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 08:08, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm insisting on the Gongzi-Prince translation only because it's the established convention. As I've already explained before, Google book search on "Prince Chong'er" returns almost 3,000 books, whereas "Gongzi Chong'er" returns 45. The fact that Gongzi can now be used to refer to anyone's son is irrelevant in the context of ancient history, neither is the fact that Gong (duke) means grandpa in modern usage. I don't think you'd suggest a footnote be added to every single article for Chinese dukes to clarify the title's modern usage. -Zanhe (talk) 08:48, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Xu Lijia

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:03, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

You deleted contents of history books.

You deleted contents of history books. I added just chinese characters, I included links to its contents. For example, look Book of the Later Han. You could find book 1, book 2, book 3, like. When you click it, you could visit the source page, wiki source page.

Anyway, if you already deleted the contents of History of Ming, then you certainly will delete the contents of Book of Later Han right? Please visit Twenty-Four Histories, and follow its links, and delete all the contents table. (Gauge00 (talk) 22:53, 23 August 2012 (UTC))

Please remember this is the English Wikipedia. I deleted the lengthy tables of content you added because they were written completely in Chinese, with links to source texts also in Chinese. While they might be of some value on the Chinese Wikipedia (although they tend to overwhelm the actual content of the page), they definitely do not belong in the English Wiki. -Zanhe (talk) 23:02, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
Other wikipedians will do change chinese characters into English characters in the future. English names of Book of Later Han are changed from chinese characters step by step? Many people ddid its translation job. (Gauge00 (talk) 23:06, 23 August 2012 (UTC))
On Book of Later Han, a single user added translated table of contents and notes to the article. You should do the same. If you think other Wikipedians are lazy, why would you rely on them to do the work for you? -Zanhe (talk) 23:21, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
Never mind. My native language is not chinese, therefore I do not know the correct English spelling of the historical figures, therefore I have no ablity to change chinese names to English names. I just made table to give links to the wiki sources. For example whenever I wanted to visit biography of He Jin (?-189), I have to follow many steps. It was cumbersone to me, therefore I just added wikisource links. THe sentence, "other wiki people are so lazy means that why other wiki people did not make link to wiki sources? why did not made a contents table". I mean "table making" not "enlish change". I emphasize that I did not add contents table of History of Ming for MYSELF. I could not read chinese sentences, so why sould I needed wiki source to History of Ming? I dont need it. I dont have any interest of history of Ming dynasty, or Yuan, Jin, QIng, etc. HOWEVER I am very skillful to make to tables, I could make that table in 2 or 3 minutes, I dont need mouse's copy and pastes. FOr me making table is so easy, therfore for other's benifit, I made the tables and added it. NEVER MIND. once again, I'd like to say, that I DO NOT need the table. (Gauge00 (talk) 00:31, 24 August 2012 (UTC))
I once again sais, that "I wanted to contribute my table making skills, a sort of text manupulating skills. (Gauge00 (talk) 00:31, 24 August 2012 (UTC))
But I'd like to point out that you surely did not know there contains the links to the wiki sources at the time when you deleted it. Haha. You, chinese, probabliy, would regret your deletion. Haha. (Gauge00 (talk) 00:31, 24 August 2012 (UTC))
Sorry but you're wrong. I saw the wikisource links, but it did not change the fact that everything you added was in Chinese, not English. Besides, a wikisource link had already been provided at the bottom of the page, and there's no need to add dozens of separate links to it as you did. -Zanhe (talk) 03:33, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

2006 version contains no contents, table. However 2009 version started to contain its contents table. Why should History of Ming not contain its contents table. Records of the Grand Historian is a history book and History of Ming is also a histoy book. Why one book could contain its contents, while others could not have? (Gauge00 (talk) 23:00, 23 August 2012 (UTC))

Any content you want to add to the English Wikipedia should be mainly in English, with limited amount of original Chinese names and titles. The table of contents on Records of the Grand Historian meets that requirement, but what you added on History of Ming did not. -Zanhe (talk) 23:14, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

I reverted to the previous version at the Records of the Grand Historian. (Gauge00 (talk) 00:37, 24 August 2012 (UTC))

Please don't get me wrong. I only reverted a small number of your edits, but the vast majority of your edits are fine. Please don't get discouraged from making contributions to Wikipedia. -Zanhe (talk) 03:40, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Ye Shiwen

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:03, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Orwa Nyrabia

Thank you for your DYK review for Orwa Nyrabia. I responded to the issue on the DYK nom page. Thanks again! Yazan (talk) 05:51, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Njoo Cheong Seng

Could you add his Chinese name (here)? I've no clue how to enter the characters. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:38, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Glad to be of help. -Zanhe (talk) 04:25, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
  • While we're at it, do you know what the The in The Teng Chun would be in Mandarin? It's liable to be Hokkian, but I'm not sure. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:30, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
Found it here. -Zanhe (talk) 05:08, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
  • Same book. I guess his name is pronounced "Thay", like the "Tay" in Singapore. People were getting confused at Alang-Alang — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:10, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Mekong River massacre

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:03, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Capital of Jin state

In this map, capital of Jin is "Yi". How to write "Yi" in Chinese Characters.?-- (talk) 11:40, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

It's 翼. -Zanhe (talk) 19:56, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Nanjing Dajiaochang Airport

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:03, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Chinese names

Could I pester you for another one? Lie Kim Hok. The characters are in both the Suryadinata and Setyautama sources. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:57, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

No problem. It's done. -Zanhe (talk) 14:19, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Chinese article on China-NK border

Do you know if there is an article in Chinese about the China-NK border on the Chinese Wikipedia? If not, would you be interested in creating a stub in Chinese about it? WhisperToMe (talk) 16:24, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't think an article exists on the Chinese Wiki. Unfortunately I'm very busy in real life and probably won't have time to create any meaningful content until next summer. -Zanhe (talk) 14:33, 26 October 2012 (UTC)


How to write "Lao-han-jen" in Chinese Characters?. It's in Guizhou. -- (talk) 13:35, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm not 100% sure as it's not standard pinyin spelling, but judging by its meaning it's probably 老汉人. -Zanhe (talk) 16:32, 1 November 2012 (UTC)