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Couple points[edit]

Hi, a couple somewhat random points -

Regards your edits to Orange (fruit) in December, consider using citation templates. It's not mandatory, but it's also easy to do and produces a more useful, standardized template that's auto-formatted. There's a bunch of tools that can help, though unfortunately none that I've found for websites (the {{cite web}} template).

Also, though it's not mandatory, archiving is preferrable to outright deletion of information from a talk page.


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I found in necessary to revert your edit to Homeschooling. The Patrick Henry College example has nothing to do with criticisms of home schooling. Dbiel (Talk) 19:44, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

See Talk for why this is relevant. --Zeamays (talk) 20:08, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

It may be acceptable for the article, but not in the criticism section. It appears to be more of a critism of the college, not of homeschooling. Dbiel (Talk) 21:07, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Then why did you not move it rather than deleting? --Zeamays (talk) 12:14, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Moving it would imply that I knew it was acceptable, which I did not. Deleting it and leaving you a note here allowed you to fix the problem. I am still not sure that it is acceptable or not, but it is no longer out of policy so that I feel any need to address it personally. I will leave it to others more involved in the article to determine if it should remain or be removed. Dbiel (Talk) 14:47, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Leaving it where it was was totally unacceptable, which was why it was deleted. Leaving a notice on your talk page was being nice to allow you to correct the problem if possible. Dbiel (Talk) 19:51, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

It is highly irresponsible to delete material if one is not expert enough to know if it is correct information. --Zeamays (talk) 12:41, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


In response to my revert of your edit to Darwinism the following link (inaccurate) is misleading as Pangenesis has nothing to do with the word inaccurate. It is a misleading link. Yes it relates to the topic. There is still a problem with your revised edit as Wikipedia articles are not to be used as references. Try rewording it as something like "also know as" to make use of the term in the sentence. Then the term Pangenesis may be linked. Dbiel (Talk) 21:25, 16 July 2008 (UTC) expanded reply: work the word Pangenesis into the sentence and then link it. My example above is not very good. Dbiel (Talk) 21:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Please also note this with your edit on Homeschooling. Wikipedia policy says that you can not use Wikipedia to cite itself. You need an external cite. Thanks. --Escape Orbit (Talk) 21:31, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but critics who delete text, rather than editing it, when they desire small changes are not working in the true spirit of Wikipedia. --Zeamays (talk) 12:13, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
That may be one way of looking at it, but deleting and posting on the user's talk page is also a way of teaching users to work within and to understand Wikipedia policy. Dbiel (Talk) 14:59, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Expanded reply: an additional issue is that to edit it one has to agree that the edit is valid. I am not an expert on Darwin, so to edit it into something that would be acceptable for Wikipedia would be wrong for me to do as I am unsure that it is a true statement, but written properly, I would not delete it, as it appears it may be correct. Dbiel (Talk) 15:07, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I have used other articles as citations before with no one objecting. A citation of a different article is no different from a link, just a different format. I looked at the policy you cite and did not see any concern with self-citation. Obviously one cannot use circular citations. --Zeamays (talk) 12:13, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

How do you read the following:
Articles and posts on Wikipedia may not be used as sources.
Seems very clear to me. As far as being done in other articles, it is just something that has not been notice yet. There are far more editors that do not know the policy than those that do, so many times things like this are not noticed; but that does not make it right. Your revised edit is much better. Thank you. Dbiel (Talk) 14:59, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

A footnote is not a source. The Wikipedia policy is about sources, not internal links. The Pangenesis article has sources in it. This is just a different format for a link. Since you have persisted in deleting it, I have changed the format. I have a prejudice against editors who don't like the format of an article and delete it instead of editing. I think it is bad form. --Zeamays (talk) 16:29, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

The problem is that when marking the entry as a reference ie using the reference tag <ref>, and only listing a link, it is considered to be a source link. A footnote needs to be more than a link to another article. If you wanted to use Pangenesis as a footnote, then it should have been written as such "see Pangenesis for an explaination of Charles Darwin's hypothetical mechanism for heredity". That would be a footnote Also please note the edit history a bit more closely, when you say "you have persisted in deleting it" you are in error. I reverted one, another editor reverted it the second time. When the format and the content are questionable, deletion is the best option. Your intital edit implied that pangenesis and inaccurate meant the same thing based on the following link (inaccurate) which was the edit that I reverted. Dbiel (Talk) 19:09, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

You would have to be very dense to think that pangenesis was a synonym for inaccurate. --Zeamays (talk) 19:52, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

That is not the point, it is an improper use of linking. It would be the same as Linking Toyota to Automotive industry ie Toyota It not the way links are use in Wikipedia Dbiel (Talk) 20:08, 17 July 2008 (UTC) See WP:EGG Dbiel (Talk) 20:33, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
There is a Wikipedia policy on intuitive wikilinking. The reader should not have to follow the link in order to understand where it will take them and why. Hope this helps. (In reviewing; what Dbiel has already said above.... )--Escape Orbit (Talk) 10:08, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

September 2008[edit]

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This topic is already under discussion at Talk:Sarah Palin; you'll want to discuss the matter there before adding this material again. Thanks, UltraExactZZ Claims ~ Evidence 19:41, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
I've removed the material again, as 1) It implies bad faith on the part of Gov. Palin, which is not neutral, 2) It is not about Gov. Palin or her actions, but the possible position of an organization, and 3) it is sourced to a Youtube video. Again, this subject is being discussed on the article's talk page, and I advise you to review and participate in the discussion there. Continuing to add the material may be considered edit warring, and doing so May result in your being blocked from editing. Please stop. Thanks, UltraExactZZ Claims ~ Evidence 19:56, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
I have twice directed you to the article's talk page, where the issue of Governor Palin's involvement with the AIP is under intense and broad discussion. Further, the material isn't even about the candidate, but about the organization, and is thus not appropriate for this article. Again, please discuss the matter on the talk page before reverting again. I would also note that accusing good faith editors of vandalism is usually seen as an incivil personal attack, which may constitute a violation of policy. Please refrain from such attacks in the future. Thanks, UltraExactZZ Claims ~ Evidence 20:20, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Threatening a good-faith editor with being blocked from editing is aggressive and has no place in Wikipedia. My informational and well-documented additions to the article have been deleted without good cause several times. This is a very controversial topic, so such behavior can be expected, but not excused. --Zeamays (talk) 20:34, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

With respect, the warning was for edit-warring, not vandalism - and re-adding the material again would bring you close to a violation of the Three Revert Rule. I apologize if I was a little harsh - you know, as I do, how controversial and heated this topic is becoming - but, unfortunately, Youtube is not a reliable source. And, as a Biography of a Living Person, the sourcing requirements for anything negative (such as the implication that Gov. Palin's motive in registering as a Republican was infiltration) must be well sourced - and, unfortunately, a youtube link is insufficient. If there is an alternative source, ok, but even then I would recommend strongly that you follow the discussion on the talk page before adding that claim, as I do not think it's appropriate to this article. UltraExactZZ Claims ~ Evidence 20:43, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

That is your opinion. Wiki rules provide that differing opinions are to be given respect. If you will look others have been re-introducing the basic information I placed in there about this controversy. The justification for deleting it seems to be that it is controversial. --Zeamays (talk) 22:34, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

If you want to include the source, then go to the discussion page for the article and discuss why it should be included. If consensus is that is a reliable source in this instance, then by all means, feel free to include it. You added it to the article - twice - without any discussion at all, which is a large part of why I removed it when I did. UltraExactZZ Claims ~ Evidence 00:01, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for your message. Notice that I didn't delete that she addressed the 2008 meeting. I instead added that she has also addressed a lot of other groups. If I had my druthers, though, I probably would delete it, because it's really not very notable. You haven't suggested that the AIP has ever turned down a speech by an Alaska Governor, and there's no reason to believe they have ever done so. Anyway, I hope this article will settle down soon. My head is spinning! Ferrylodge (talk) 01:58, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


Please stop inserting text that is pointedly POV. Discuss controversial edits first, please. Ronnotel (talk) 14:01, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Mr. Ronnotel, perhaps you're unfamiliar with Wikipedia policy regarding Well-known public figures reads, "If an allegation or incident is notable, relevant, and well-documented by reliable published sources, it belongs in the article — even if it's negative and the subject dislikes all mention of it." --Zeamays (talk) 14:05, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

If you continue adding controversial material without consensus you may be blocked. Ronnotel (talk) 14:33, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

If you are a supporter and have a reference to support that view, I suggest that you add what you wrote above to the article. Both sides of any controversy should be presented, rather than what you seem to want, which is no controversy at all. Your aggressive stance is not appreciated. I strongly suggest that you stop threatening editors with well-sourced material. --Zeamays (talk) 14:42, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Todd Palin[edit]

I've replied to your question on my talk page. Shereth 01:41, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


Your "explanation", as requested:
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I have replied to this message on talk. --Zeamays (talk) 17:27, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Please leave others' talk pages alone[edit]

When a user chooses to remove messages from his/her talk page, please don't revert them. AKRadeckiSpeaketh 18:13, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

The editor about whom you posted your message explicitly stated on his discussion page that he'd prefer messages to him be posted to his site. You seem to have a strong opinion. Is it Wiki policy that I can delete people whose opinions I don't like (as he did)? --Zeamays (talk) 21:18, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Re:Michael Parkes Page[edit]

Refs were not valid and were removed for mostly WP:SPAM reasons. Steltman Galleries falls under ref-spam WP:SPAM, and is a questionable source since it is promotional in nature WP:QS. The Avalon Gallery Carmel link you keep restoring is flat out linkspam WP:SPAM. If this artist is notable as you claim then there should be lots of references you can use that are not questionable. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 16:28, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

You seem to totally misunderstand WP:V and WP:CREATIVE. Notability is established by what other people say about an artist, not what they say about them selves. What libraries hold his books is not notability, we need books by other people about him, not books by people who hold a commercial relationship with him or books he has published himself. The burden of proof lies with you being in the "advocate" for this article WP:BURDEN. "A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject." The article is lacking that. I have actually added sources that help in that matter but since there does not seem to be any major critical comment on this artist he will need "multiple independent sources (to) prove notability". Continually removing the NOTABILITY tag is counterproductive since it is there to let other editors know about the problem and maybe fix it. You should refrain from doing that. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 16:02, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Dear Fountains, Please see my response on the Parkes talk page. --Zeamays (talk) 01:59, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Have responded[[1] Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 06:38, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Image:Max Delbruck.jpg[edit]

Hello, I was told at Commons that you are the original uploader of this image. I was wondering if you had a copy of the original e-mail in which permission was granted to use the image. If you do, could you please forward it to OTRS? Thanks, Scorpion0422 (talk) 21:05, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

I do have it. There is no requirement for me to send you a personal e-mail, nor do you provide any reason. --Zeamays (talk) 01:27, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

No, you don't have to send me a personal e-mail. I'm trying to use the image in a Featured list candidate, and I was told that the image needs to be verified through OTRS. All you have to do is read the instructions and forward the e-mail (and any other appropriate info) to the provided address. It's confidential, so you're e-mail will not be made public. -- Scorpion0422 04:28, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


What accounts for your deletion of the Carolina Trailways and the Lakefront Trailways from the list of the Trailways member companies in the article about the Trailways Transportation System?
Do you have reason to believe that those two firms are no longer members of the Trailways association?
Even if they are no longer members -- and I question that -- then the deletion would still be incorrect.
The caption at the head of that section identifies that as a list of both current and former members.
Please explain.
Dr. D.B. "Doc" Rushing
DocRushing (talk) 01:41, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Dear Mr. Rushing, you mis-identified who deleted that listing. I just fixed a bad link. An unregistered user deleted the listing. Best wishes, --Zeamays (talk) 14:43, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the answer.
Now I see what you mean.
That was my mistake -- obviously.
Sorry 'bout that.
Although I'm an old hand in academia, I'm a newbie at Wikipedia.
I've posted a comment on the "discussion" page attached to the article on the Trailways Transportation System.
Here's a copy:

    An anonymous user has deleted two items -- the names of two major long-time members of the Trailways trade association -- from the list of members.
[I've undone the damage.]
The same user has a record of having made numerous unexplained and unsupported deletions from various articles.
His behavior appears to be disruptive and antisocial.
He has received many warnings -- along with requests to refrain.
Is it now not well past the time to bar the offender and his counterproductive antics?
-- Dr. D.B. "Doc" Rushing
DocRushing (talk) 15:21, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

If you have the authority, will you please consider barring the anonymous miscreant?
-- Doc.
DocRushing (talk) 15:33, 25 December 2008 (UTC)


Nice work on the recent edits you did on the Volvox article. Much improved! Just stopped by to say thanks. Cheers, Rkitko (talk) 04:53, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

George W. Bush[edit]

Moved to George W. Bush talk page.

Eli Lilly[edit]

The Featured article review instructions indicate a couple of reasons that your nomination may have been premature: generally speaking, articles should not be nominated for review so soon after promotion at FAC nor while they are on the main page. That being said, I certainly agree that non-supporting citations would be a major flaw that would warrant an exception to normal procedure. However, everyone makes mistakes, and it appears that this was a simple error that has already been corrected. Thanks for your attention to the article; it certainly resulted in improvement. If you have other concerns about the article, it would be helpful to outline them on the article's talk page before resorting to FAR. Of course, if after a few days' time you still believe the article needs to go through review, you should feel free to renominate it; please see the instructions I linked above. Maralia (talk) 15:31, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

George Trenholm[edit]

Use the discussion page and not my talk page for issues with the article.

Pirate haven[edit]

Thanks for the good work! (Sorry for the late comment; I don't log in as often as I used to, pressures of work and all that ...) -- Securiger (talk) 12:21, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Crown of Castile[edit]

I have moved this discussion to the Christopher Columbus talk section. --Zeamays (talk) 12:20, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

As I have indicated in his talk page [2] such changes of deleting Spanish are a fruit of WP:ORIGINAL and WP:SYNTHESIS, and they do not agree with the secondary sources, which use really the word Spanish. Trasamundo (talk) 20:33, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Urban XII[edit]

Please see [[3]]. See also the warnings I have already left him in his userpage. Feketekave (talk) 14:27, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

... which he has now removed. Your advice as to how to deal with this issue would be appreciated. Feketekave (talk) 14:35, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Your recent edits[edit]

at Cutting mill and Wiley mill have introduced links to commercial products which are by all means to be avoided as blatant advertisement. Please explain your additions and a revert. Materialscientist (talk) 02:20, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Au contraire. I made an effort to find all the major brands of commercial products so that no prejudice would pertain. Since nearly all mills in use in laboratories at the present are made commercially, the manufacturers are the best source of information on the details of their products. In particular, the Wiley mill is highly cited in the scientific literature, but I wanted to be neutral. You also deleted other changes that I made to make the article more Wiki-friendly. --Zeamays (talk) 02:23, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
Other changes are welcome, but not the link to pages which directly offer the reader to buy that product. I hope you do understand this is a core WP policy, which can't be beaten by "no other link" argument. Materialscientist (talk) 02:26, 14 December 2009 (UTC) I haven't encountered this "policy" ever, so please cite the reference. --Zeamays (talk) 02:28, 14 December 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for adding the material on ERD. As soon as I saw it, I felt ashamed that it had been missing for so long; clearly good stuff. I have made some suggestions for improvement of the main article on its talk page. Tb (talk) 19:22, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

About United States and state terrorism[edit]

I agree with your views about the article. It's biased propaganda. And the article has kept coming up for deletion, and somehow it stays, and I can't explain this although my guess is that sockpuppets are at work, possibly backed by administrators. If you vote for AfD, I'll support you, but it will probably not succeed; the best that can be done I suspect is tag the article with tags to warn readers that it's progaganda, and keep vigilant about maintaining the tags. I'm working on a related article Terrorism prevention strategies and am seeking comments before going online, like, is it ready for Wikipedia yet? Am I missing anything major, etc.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 13:01, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Regimen[edit]

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Durata Therapeutics[edit]

I'm posting this message on your talk page because I noticed that you've recently created the new article Durata Therapeutics--It would be great if you could also Wikify the related article Rib-X Pharmaceuticals. Jipinghe (talk) 20:54, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


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This issue was that experimental vaccines for malaria are not yet notable to belong in the lead. Please use review articles for medical content. Cheers Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:29, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
Well, it's a news article, and the source is reliable. It is definitely notable, very important work. I see it is also published in the NEJM, but that is technically less accessible to lay people. --Zeamays (talk) 20:45, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Possibly unfree File:Vanderbilt Plaque.jpg[edit]

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I have replaced the (deleted) image with a drawing I made myself, which should solve the problem. --Zeamays (talk) 20:34, 26 January 2013 (UTC)


Good on you for you work at the Bushmaster Firearms International article. Chisme (talk) 04:15, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I was out enjoying the holidays and didn't get a chance to weigh in at the dispute page. I see it was closed for lack of interest. Some years ago I went around and around and around many times with the gun enthusiast crowed about whether school shootings and other massacres should be mentioned on gun articles, and I got overwhelmed. I am very happy that you and others have taken up this issue on Wikipedia. Gun articles on Wikpedia as they stand today serve as social networking sites for gun enthusiasts. You can learn everything there is to know about a gun except how it was used in crime commissions. Again, thanks for your considerable efforts at the Bushmaster article, and I really admire your stamina. Chisme (talk) 20:09, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

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Postal Telegraph and Telex[edit]

I do not see that Postal operated any Telex networks in the USA. My information shows that Telex came to the USA in the 1950s. Can you please provide a reference or two? Thanks! Wa3frp (talk) 13:33, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

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Art expert?[edit]

Are you the person whom edits a lot of art articles? LaceyUF (talk) 09:50, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

First Horizon National Corporation[edit]

I appreciate your adding some history when I couldn't find it where I looked. We do seem to have a problem, though, I added a lot of the same information to First Tennessee Bank not realizing anything had been done to the other article. I don't have time to figure out where to go from there, but something needs to be done.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 17:33, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

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