User talk:Zorkfan

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Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert a single page more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you. --PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 00:03, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Please do not make personal attacks on other people. Wikipedia has a policy against personal attacks. In some cases, users who engage in personal attacks may be blocked from editing by administrators or banned by the arbitration committee. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Please resolve disputes appropriately. Thank you. --PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 00:16, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

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This is your last warning. If you continue to make personal attacks, you may be blocked for disruption. --PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 00:19, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

your questions on my talk page[edit]

Zorkfan, of course I don't "hate" you. I suggest you relax, you're obviously very worked up, and familiarize yourself better with some of the policies and etiquette on how to best contribute to Wikipedia. That's all editors have been trying to tell you. It's not acceptable to revert war, attack other editors, or insist on inserting personal beliefs into articles, all activities which are not conducive to encyclopedia building. If you haven't already read these, I suggest the following: WP:3RR, WP:NPA, WP:NPOV, WP:NOT. --MPerel ( talk | contrib) 00:55, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

As per you last comment, please understand the onus is on you to gain consensus for your edits. Back them up with reliable sources. Edits based on personal opinion or belief won't last and other editors aren't going to bother arguing with you after your 10th or 20th attempt to insert the same edit that has been rejected repeatedly by several editors. --MPerel ( talk | contrib) 01:29, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

In your spare time[edit]


Hello, Zorkfan, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome!  ←Humus sapiens ну? 01:01, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

It seems you misunderstand what WP is all about, see WP:NOT. This is an encyclopedia, and we have WP:RULES. In particular, your problem #1 is taking personal offenses where is none and personally attacking others. Please do get familiar with WP:NPA. Problem #2 is your attempts to give WP:NPOV#Undue weight to a fringe, or even beyond a fringe. ←Humus sapiens ну? 01:01, 28 September 2006 (UTC)


Zorkfan, you've been reported for a 3RR violation at Alternative Judaism and have been blocked from editing for 24 hours. Although you're a new account, I believe you were warned about 3RR and may have been blocked previously for it as an anon IP. Please use the time to review the 3RR rule very carefully, and when you resume editing, try to reach an accommodation with the other editors on the talk page. Many thanks, SlimVirgin (talk) 02:54, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

You've been warned earlier[edit]

At this point, I assume that you are familiar with WP:NPA. This [1] is unacceptable. ←Humus sapiens ну? 00:54, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

This is not about me. Focus on arguments and not on your opponents and use WP:RS. ←Humus sapiens ну? 01:01, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Spam warning[edit]

Please do not add commercial links or links to your own private websites to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising or a mere collection of external links. You are, however, encouraged to add content instead of links to the encyclopedia. If you feel the link should be added to the article, then please discuss it on the article's talk page rather than re-adding it. See the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you. PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 00:09, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism Warning[edit]

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Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. However, unconstructive edits, such as those you made to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR [2], are considered vandalism. If you continue in this manner you may be blocked from editing without further warning. Please stop, and consider improving rather than damaging the hard work of others. Thanks. PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 00:33, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Blanking warning[edit]

Please do not remove legitimate messages from your talk page. Talk pages exist as a record of legitimate communication, and in any case, comments are available through the page history. You're welcome to archive your talk page, but be sure to provide a link to any deleted legitimate comments. Thanks. --PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 00:46, 1 October 2006 (UTC)


You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future.

-- Avi 00:50, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

3RR on Messianic Judaism[edit]

Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia under the three-revert rule. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you. Naconkantari 05:20, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

No Personal Attacks[edit]

With regards to your comments on User_talk:Naconkantari: [3] Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. --PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 05:27, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


You have been temporarily blocked from editing for vandalism of Wikipedia. Please note that page blanking, addition of random text or spam, deliberate misinformation, privacy violations, and other deliberate attempts to disrupt Wikipedia are considered vandalism. If you wish to make useful contributions, you may come back after the block expires. Naconkantari 05:33, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

To Jayjg[edit]

Yes, I agree. With one reservation: can I give Inigmatus a message (or perhaps, you send him a message) to from now on check my talk page every single day for messages that might be for him? 02:35, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I'll post a message to him for you, ok? --MPerel ( talk | contrib) 02:38, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Thank you, MPerel, you are very kind. Perhaps the message should also quote me, saying "I am not allowed to make edits, even to your talk page. Please go to User_talk:Zorkfan each and every day to check if I left any messages for you. That will be my only way of communication with you, for the greater part of the next couple of months. Thanks, Inigmatus. ;)" Once again, thanks for extending you chassidim (lovingkindness), MPerel. 02:49, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

For Inigmatus, about Cherem[edit]

Hi, Inigmatus! This is the way we will be communicating for the next couple of months. Okay, here is an other article that needs the NPOV-stick (as well as the citation). The article Cherem needs work on two main fronts. The first problem is that the article is completely uncited; please add some citations to the Cherem articles and of course if any of the article conflicts reliable sources, modify as necessary. The other main problem is that the "Since the Enlightenment" portion (here at of the articles after the 1st paragraph is completely POV in favor of anti-missionary perspective. Set it to NPOV and of course make it clear that JfJ and Messianic Judaism are seperate and generally conflicting parties.

My other, minor request (as in, don't do it if you feel that it will harm your credibility, but if you feel it will not, do it under lovingkindness), is that you post the following message to respond to IZAK's comment to me that, of course, I am not allowed to reply to, here at

Zorkfan said (and I relay): Please do not twist my words, IZAK. When I said "MJ halakha is 90% Talmudic", I was definitely NOT making the false claim that a majority of MJs are theologically orthodox, which isn't true (tho it's getting better all the time). Virtually the only source of halakha in the main Jewish world is encoded in the Talmud. Messianic Jews normally consider Talmudic (with reservation to all, or which ones, or how many) decisions to be halakhic anywhere it does not contradict the Torah or the Mashiach (and it almost never does), but they also add the decisions at the Jerusalem Council (recorded in Acts, with the Sanhedrin, Rabbi Gamaliel, and Paul, actually Rav. Sha'ul to be more accurate as some of the leaders) to this halakha, considering it equal or above Talmudic. The Jerusalem Council's decision were of course specifically tailored to how the new Messianic synagogues would be organized, led, and especially the contentious issue of how to handle Gentiles and if they should be converted to Judaism before participation in the synagogue (Sha'ul represented the approximate half that contended that gentiles don't need to convert initially). I never claimed that MJ was theologically Orthodox as a whole (tho it does have an Orthodox wing). We should, as wiki-citizens and dedicated NPOV observers, strive to represent MJ from its center, rather than its fading Protestant or emerging Orthodox wings (newer articles including Isaac Lichtenstein and Boaz Michael are handling this well). As a dedicated NPOV observer, I would wish no less than true NPOV, and of course would never instigate propaganda or spin, as that is clearly against the aims of the encyclopedia and Wikipedia policy. Shalom and Baruch HASHEM.

If any of the message doesn't reflect MJ from the center, tell me of course. Thank you friend, for your continued perseverance and reasonability, and shalom. 03:53, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm watching, but I don't have a lot of time. I've stepped down from leading the Messianic Judaism project. I have (if you can believe it) more important matters I know God wants me to work on. I'll check in from time to time, as I am not abandoning the project, just taking a sabbatical. Shalom.
Of course, I hope to G-d that you do find the time to continue your contributions to this project, so that people will continue to get some decent information in the turbulent environment that seems to exist in this world for Messianic Judaism. And I saw the one post Daniel575 made about executing Messianic Jews under Sanhedric authority (the Sanhedrin and Rabbi Gamaliel were one of the main parties at the Jerusalem council!), and it made me sicker than a dog. I feel, reaching out to me from across the centuries, the same ultra-reactionary attitudes that executed the Messiah ben Yosef, blessed be his name, are surfacing, but Messiah ben David, the role Yeshua will play when he reincarnates to this world, will remove these things forever. Such raw violence, and pure hatred, what a memorial to how the very people G-d deems most significant among all the nations, are able to stray from him. How can a man proclaim with malice "I would gladly destroy and molest this man of peace, love, and truth with my bare hands, and would rather die death than consider anything he says; furthermore I would love no less than to decaptitate/stone to death those who consider him favorable", be of HaShem? It is perverse, it is against everything that human rights constitutes, it SCARES me. And the phrase "I don't see how Judaism has anything to do with Messianism" is laugh-out-loud funny (oh sure, Daniel575, now you just have to convince Moses, every writer of the Tanakh, all the Pharisees and Saducees, the kaballists, and every orthodox rabbi and all Sages across the ages in all of Jewish history that you're right and they're completely wrong!...Good luck doing that!) I will mark that Daniel575, he seems familiar and I remember reverts of some of my edits being by him every once and again. The kicker is that I really doubt that some of these people are religious Jews, thus their theological opinions are of tremendous error ratio; many of them seem to be secular cultural Jews that just oppose Messianic Judaism because they believe it's some sort of cultural threat (utterly false accusation, you and I know of course). As horrifying as the persecution against our Judaism and our ideas (they want a Messianic holocaust!...full circle?) that indeed so clearly show through in instances like the one we have seen in the Template talk, there are some pretty good surprises. Users that don't know anything about Messianic Judaism, or don't even particularly care for it, standing up for some actual truth, rationalism, and NPOV. So please do not quit the project; you have been a very strong and dependable leader and editor, and a virtual saint when it comes to the debates in the talk pages with individuals of arrogance. So do make sure to return every so often (preferably, a few times in a week) to continue standing up for the truth, friend. One way to do that is go to the template talk page and declare "Noone has provided a good reason to remove the links from the template (and I'm ignoring the death threats), other than a couple of generally agreeable and NPOV removals such as Gartel." If someone can't give you a good reason after two days of posting such a message, then after that it's perfectly fine to revert the template to the state it was in before all of the madness (again, with reservation to a couple of reasonably NPOV removals, such as Gartel). Please reply, it is quite an eye-opening experience when I am able to share a dialogue with you. Shalom and Baruch HaShem.
P.S. I know you already started paying for a relatively expensive $360 tefillin, but why spend that much when Melech Yisrael's Sefer Chayim store sells a great (kosher) set for just $256 base price next time (tho since the store is in Canada, shipping might get costly). The website is type in "tefillin" into the search engine and you'll find the item. Best regards and make sure to reply! 01:26, 1 December 2006 (UTC)