User talk:Zoupan

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WikiProject Serbia collaboration - Serbian monasteries[edit]

In the absence of other editors who would be willing to participate your idea is very good. I will contribute as much as I can.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 13:38, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Its a deal.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 17:01, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, I made mistake and started with Bijela which is on your list. Sorry, I will continue with my list. Btw, isn't it better to sort monasteries per eparchies instead per countres?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 18:32, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
User:Правичност applied also. What do you think about suggesting one monastery article for creation to him? Since he is new editor I think that one article about currently redlinked monastery which is covered with lot of sources for the beginning would be enough.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 17:57, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
Klisina looks like good idea. As far as I can see, there are plenty of sources on it. I will certainly try to do bring new articles to DYK status. That is not an easy task and it would be very important to have more editors participating. But maybe after/if first couple of articles reach GA status some editors would be tempted to join in.
Another important note: I am not very competent for religious topics so occasional review of my work would be appreciated. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 18:34, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Serb clans[edit]

Hi, Zoupan,

The intro paragraph for 'Serb clans' had multiple issues and a lot of irrelevant information. I removed this irrelevant information. Why did you change this back to the previous version? --Bezvardis (talk) 14:23, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Please stop changing back to the badly written version of the paragraph. If you have any reasons to suggest that what you have included in the first paragraph, should be included there, please clearly state these in the discussion page. Please also reference your arguments to exact pages and quotes of the sources. Also it would be good to have sources that are less than 100 year old. --Bezvardis (talk) 17:54, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

UNICEF Ambassadors[edit]

Hi, hope you're well. this is yet another reminder of why WP:SERBIANNAMES needs taking via RfC to guideline status. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:45, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Minority rights violations in Kosovo[edit]

A while ago, in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Persecution of Serbs and other non-Albanians in Kosovo, you said the subject was mentioned in sources, but didn't address the issue of improper synthesis. Would you be interested in working on that subject in a less contentious scope? I noticed we don't have a human rights in Kosovo article yet, and a lot of that content sounds like it might fit there. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 10:56, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Absolutely, when I have time. You are right.--Zoupan 11:36, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Jelena Gruba, Bosancica[edit]

Bosnian Cyrillic has existed since the 10th century, 400 years before Jelena (a BOSNIAN queen) lived. The modern Serbian Cyrillic which you are using on her wiki only came into existence 5 centuries AFTER she died. The Serbs on Wikipedia have a tendency to Serbize everything and everybody. and the name Jelena obviously isn't Bosnian - Bosnians were Catholics and Christians before they became Muslims and they were Pagans before all that. So Catholic and Muslim names are used in Bosnia - Jelena Gruba was a Catholic so her name obviously isn't Muslim... which is what I think you meant when you said her name isn't Bosnian.--DemirBajraktarevic (talk) 22:24, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Word. In contrast to the Bosnians, who used a native variant of the Cyrillic script (dubbed "Bosancica") since the 10th/11th century, the Serbs employed the common wider early Cyrillic during the middle ages. Claiming Bosnian Cyrillic did not exist when Gruba ruled is, well quite frankly, preposterous, as is suggesting that Bosnian Cyrillic somehow was a "Serbian" invention "that did not exist on its own". Praxis Icosahedron ϡ (TALK) 00:26, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
Well yes, of course, it needs improvements. Most articles on wikipedia are unfortunately still far from impeccable. The actual point was that Bosnian Cyrillic, whatever its "academic" categorization as influenced by this or a corruption of that, was a script variant native to Bosnia and Herzegovina and in use at least since the 11th century. Praxis Icosahedron ϡ (TALK) 23:43, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Library Survey[edit]

As a subscriber to one of The Wikipedia Library's programs, we'd like to hear your thoughts about future donations and project activities in this brief survey. Thanks and cheers, Ocaasi t | c 16:02, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Serbia[edit]

When you wrote "Let's bump this collaboration" I thought it meant let us put Montenegrin monasteries on hold. Anyway, I agree there are more important matters for the project, like dealing with articles which needs cleanup and improving the quality of Vital articles. I am willing to collaborate with you or anybody else who might be interested. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 11:53, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

What do you think about improving the class of all stub rated articles with Top importance for WPS?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 08:43, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Serbian Chetniks in Macedonia[edit]

This site says that Isa Boljetinac was Serbian Chetnik СРПСКОТО ЧЕТНИЧКО ДВИЖЕЊЕ ВО ПРИЛЕПСКО Web archived. Have you found other sources which also support Isa Chetnik career?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 21:42, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I think that there could be a rational explanation for a little different appearance on older and newer photos. All photos of Isa are post 1912. In that period he was leader of katchaks and member of the government. It was not unusual for people to put on some weight in older ages after being appointed to high position in state. At 1908 image of Chetniks he might look older because he had much more difficult life, fighting all around. Still, without additional sources your position is more likely to be correct. Thanks.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 09:31, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

List of Serbs of Croatia[edit]

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Assembly of the Community of Serbian municipalities and Community of Serbian municipalities, Kosovo[edit]

Hello, I noticed you moved "Association of Serbian municipalities, Kosovo" to "Community of Serbian municipalities, Kosovo". There is a dispute between me and User:Qwerty786 over the content of these articles regarding the Community before and after the Brussels Agreement (2013). This dispute started from our talk pages, then I posted on the articles' talk pages and now has gone on to the dispute resolution noticeboard. I don't ask you to personally get involved in this, as your opinion could be considered to be non-neutral.

However, even though I tried posting on both Wikiproject:Serbia and Wikiproject:Kosovo talk pages in order to somehow get more opinions and reach a consensus, or at least get some suggestions on dispute resolution, I got no replies. Is there some way, in your opinion, to get more opinions on this matter, for example, on whether the articles should be split and, if yes, on how this should be done? Would an RFC help? Is there some way to attract more attention from the Wikiprojects? Any change may also affect other relevant articles. Heracletus (talk) 00:53, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Kumanovo Uprising[edit]

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Moves of Ottoman grand viziers[edit]

Hey, thanks for moving some of the articles of the Grand Viziers of the Ottoman Empire to more correct names (e.g. "the Bosnian", etc.), but make sure you also change the links in the templates they're included in, specifically the Grand Vizier template. Ithinkicahn (talk) 00:26, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Kumanovo Uprising[edit]

Last call to supply a valid QPQ review for this nomination, which means doing a full review of another nomination, not merely supplying an ALT hook for one. If you don't reply by the end of the month, the nomination will be closed, so I hope you do respond before then. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:03, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Serbs of Croatia[edit]

Hi Zoupan, after seeing some your edits on Morlachs, and similar connected articles, I had to revise them (more Morlachs, minor others), because were written from an nationalistic point of view. Those articles shouldn't have it, at least not obviously, in this case almost exclusive connection with Serbs. However, by what I saw, some sources you edited were alright and interesting, and made me think if would be interested to search for sources (reliable, if possible with original cite) about Serbs, and edit the section "Ottoman conquest and Habsburg Empire" in Serbs of Croatia? For example, the letter of Emperor Ferdinand to ban Keglević, probably is not the only one document from 16th and 17th century directly mentioning Serbs in Dalmatia and whole Croatia. Those centuries were crucial for Serbs ethnicity in Croatia, and should be further expanded and pinpoint issues like migrations, different religious faith, social terms or ethnonyms, lack of national consciousness of people from those centuries, later national revivals etc.--Crovata (talk) 01:20, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

P. Kone[edit]

Thanks for your contributions. It's sad that Arbxxxx's translation from Albanian was wrong translation by purpose in order to push his pov.Alexikoua (talk) 18:36, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

I've filled a sockpuppet investigation about Arbxxxx, it seems certain that he edited both logged and unlogged in order to avoid 3rr.Alexikoua (talk) 19:46, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Josif Pančić[edit]

I'm sorry what a re you talking about.Disruptive editing to accoridng to who?To you?You removed all of my edits just because you don't like it?You are Serbian if i'm correct?So you think i will be blocked because i put the links which prove that he converted from Roman Catholicism to Orthodoxy and that he was born as Josip Pančić not Josif?Is that right?I've put some foreign sources to prove that and you removed that(because you didn't like the sources) and put just some serbian sources which are questionable..If i may ask you for what i would be banned..Please tell me?How did i vandalise that topic..Did i just remove some sentence and/or did i not pt source in..Or you just didn't like that sources?And then i'm making disruptive edits???!!!You do realize that i could report you and that you are risking a ban if i decide to go to war with you over this matter..Please explain your edits to me! Scrosby85 (talk) 17:00, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

No i don't have a problem.Because it was not me who removed the sources..You liked the sources for 6 months what's changed?Website pages are not reliable sources?You are joking right?But reliable sources are some questionalbe serbian writers which says he was Bunjevac by origin right?Serbian philological is site is not reliable source?What are you talking about?Do you really want that we go to Administrators? Scrosby85 (talk) 17:17, 11 July 2014 (UTC)


Stop. Stop now. If you want to move an article on a controversial topic, the proper method is WP:RM. You know that. bobrayner (talk) 01:00, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

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I see you've started doing it again; making controversial moves without discussion, and then editing the redirect to stop other editors undoing it. Stop it. bobrayner (talk) 19:28, 2 May 2015 (UTC)


Zoupan, please, why I am writing 'please', because beleive and see You as a good editor, and found several other well written articles edited by You. Yet, the edits you done on article about Morlachs, and as do mostly about Serbian history and culture, I don't see as some suspicious, with possible national or personal intentions, but as lack of knowledge about the subject. The edits were quiet wrong, and it looks incredible for me you're still insisting without seeing your mistakes. You emphasize the term Morlach was from 16th to 17th century used for Serbs or Croats, when it was from Latin documents from 14th century describing Vlachs. You emphasize Morlach connection with Serbs or Croats, or basically saying they were Serbs or Croats in the 16th to 18th centuries, only because some belonged to Orthodox Church or Catholic Church, or with Serbs only because they spoke a South-Slavic language of Shtokavian dialect? Do you understand how delusional and unacademical such claims are? The article is written objectively, in such a way, the public, especially a laic, would follow the term through its history, understand how was used for Vlachs, and afterwards as stated in work Travels in Dalmatia from 18th century by Fortis, they were speaking Slavic language, and because of migrations, people came from various parts of the Balkan, and the name passed to other communities, how they were of the Greek-Orthodox and Roman Catholic faith, and that the name [didn't] belonged to only one ethnic group, i.e. Vlachs who didn't manage to make a national identity, or later Croatian or Serbian, yet according to the religious affiliation, they assimilated to these two ethnic groups.

I pinpointed Mile Dakić because such sources, like his work The Serbian Krayina: Historical Roots and Its Birth from 1994, can't be used as a source, reliable source, sourcing such a claims, when was released at the time of War in Croatia, and especially when Dakić participated in govermental bodies of SAO Krajina. Also, the Croatian Encyclopedia is more than a reliable source, not only because is an encyclopedia, but because of this sentence "Pokušaj srpske historiografije da naziv Morlak uporabi kao istoznačnicu za pravoslavno (a time i srpsko) stanovništvo u zaleđu dalmatinskih gradova nije znanstveno utemeljen" (engl. The try of Serbian historiography to use the term Morlach as synonym for Orthodox (and this with Serbian) population in inland of Dalmatian cities isn't scientifically based). Also, after my mention of Mile Dakić, you commented "Mazuranic is a Franciscan priest. Mažuranić has political motives. Ivan Mužić is a Catholic extremist and nationalist., makes me think if there is more than just a lack of ignorance. Not that there is nothing to makes them unreliable, if yet, their work only sourced one etymological interpretation, and early history of 14th and 15th century, and not some controversial nationalistic claims.--Crovata (talk) 16:18, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

There is no need for false accusations, there is no wrong intentions from my side, and it's up to you to see why are you not accepting my warnings for using unreliable sources for controversal or unexplained claims, and writing prone to nationalism. The actual majority of your contribution was copyediting from beforehand edited articles, and the use of sources was sparse, what doesn't matter because you had such sources. The "yours" last revision was on May 7, 607545683, with 9,741 bytes, while rewritten by me, 611797848, with new material on June 6 around 21,202 bytes, yet several times like on June 8, 612031978, you reverted it to your previous revision, removing 11,460 bytes of information, and not with sources which only partially mention Morlachs and the text highlight the connection with Serbs, but from scientific sources specifically studying Morlachs and Vlachs, with citatations found in those books and papers, explaining the etymology, its chronology, and more. To further avoid edit claims which identify the term Morlach, or elsewhere, with specific national identity, religion and vice versa, without understanding, or explaining in the article, the historical circumstances until late 19th century, I highly recommend you to read the work of Zef Mirdita and Ivan Mužić on Vlachs.
I never neglected the term Morlachs was used for the community in the Dalmatian hinterlands of the 17th century, but how it was principally used for that specific period of time is just an subjective opinion, mostly because of time difference, misleading the objective narration of the term. Wikipedia basics for an editor is to primary know about you're editing, and as such there is no need the section "External links" with the link to Morlachs on Croatian Encyclopedia be removed, or as says the "tertiary sources such as compendia, encyclopedias, textbooks, obituaries, and other summarizing sources may be used to give overviews or summaries, but should not be used in place of secondary sources for detailed discussion, and it wasn't used for detailed observation.
Also, the sentence "In the summer of 1685, Cosmi, the Archbishop of Split, wrote that Stojan Janković had brought 300 families with him to Dalmatia, and also that around Trogir and Split there were 5000 refugees from Turkish lands, without food - seen as a serious threat to the defense of Dalmatia. Grain sent by the Pope proved insufficient, and the Serbs were forced to launch expeditions into Turkish territory." was removed as there is no mention of Morlachs, and those families and refugees could have nothing to do with them. As Janković is mentioned, I remind you how on his article, 605958038, you identified Morlachs as Serbs.
Then, "In the 1851 census of Dalmatia, the Morlachs, citizens of Ragusa and inhabitants of the Dalmatian coast and islands declared themselves Serbs." as already mentioned, find other source for this census, and when you do, clarify why at the time of Croatian national revival, in the Kingdom of Dalmatia (part of Austrian Empire), only once in history the whole population of Dalmatia was declareed as Serbs and not Croats.
The statement by Boško Desnica, "after analysing Venetian papers, concluded that they always mentioned the script and language of the Morlachs as "Servian"", actually almost whole paragraph followed by "Lovrić made no distinction between the Vlachs/Morlachs and the Dalmatians and Montenegrins that were also mentioned (peoples of Croatia and Slavonia were not mentioned), and was not at all bothered by the fact that the Morlachs were predominantly Orthodox Christian.", is written in such way to mislead how Morlachs were actually Serbs. The original quote doesn't say or note they spoke Serbian language, yet the Venetian ignorance for correct Slavic idioms, as Desnica said, not wrongly sourced on 360-361 page, but pg. 356, "language, idiom, characters/letters are always accompanied by the adjective Serb or Illyrian(...)Undoubtedly the Venetians did not differentiate among [the Slavic-speaking] tribes/peoples, and all these three terms were applied equally to one or another tribe". I constantly remark, for such a vague and complex period of time, it can't be cited only one part of the original citation, and from only one source, twisting the original meaning for personal opinion. We both know that's violation of any criteria. I really wish to continue the discussion, a constructive discussion, and we could go analyzing sentence by sentence, but perhaps somewhere else, like sandboxs talk page about the article.--Crovata (talk) 16:24, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

"Duchy of Pannonia"[edit]

I noticed you moved Braslav of Pannonian Croatia and Ratimir of Pannonian Croatia to Braslav, Prince of Pannonia and Ratimir, Duke of Pannonia, resp. Given the discrepancy, and that the last move of the article Pannonian Croatia or Duchy of Pannonia indicates it wasn't a principality, I think this needs to be resolved properly first. Please see Talk:Duchy of Pannonia. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 19:18, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Mahmut's mother[edit]

Regarding your edit for the mother of Mahmut II in the List of the mothers of the Ottoman sultans (Aimée du Buc de Rivéry) please see the previous discussion on the same issue. Thanks Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 03:29, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Gulbahar Hatun[edit]

What are you going to do? Vandalize wikipedia again. Ayse Hatun was nephew of Mukrime Hatun and wife of Bayezid II, that would be incest(first cousins). Mukrime Hatun was married to Mehmed II the Conqueror, two years after the birth of Bayezid II, while Gulbahar Hatun was married one year before the birth of Bayezid II. Wikipedia doesn't allow cites as sources. While Gulbahar Hatun has more sources and reliable ones.What'sUp123 09:58, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Reliable sources needed.

What'sUp123 09:58, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Kosovo Serbs[edit]

Thanks for adding references to the article "Kosovo Serbs" however references 3 (Finlay1854)and 7 (Stephenson2000) are broken. When you get some time, could you fix it please? Regards IJA (talk) 10:33, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

1879-1880 in Plav and Gusinje[edit]

Hi Zoupan,

The sources emphasize that there were two separate battles, in Novsice and Murino. Velika conflict is treated as an integral part of the Battle of Novšiće. Regarding the Battle of Murino, no doubt it was a separate battle which merits a separate article. Since it was a battle subsequent to the Battle of Novsice, I presented it in one section of the article about the Battle of Novisce as some kind of aftermath (which I think is not mistake).

Therefore my answer to your question is that I don't think Murino and Novsice should be merged while Velika does not merit its own article.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 08:37, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Montenegrin Cap[edit]

Hi there, I'd like to know your thoughts on Montenegrin cap, and the Herzegovinian-Montenegrin cap differences. Because I was planning on creating a page for the Herzegovnian Cap and do not want to make a redundancy. Critikal1 (talk) 01:36, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Categories with gender[edit]

I believe this sort of gender-categories: Category talk:Women of the Republic of Venice are unnecessary. The gender is clear from the names any way, and in this way, no consideration is given people with gender-problematic and LGBT-categories, who may not wish to be labeled with a certain gender. Please consider this before you make a category such as this. consideration is not unimportant. In this case, "Category: People of the republic of Venice" is quite enough: we can recognize the gender from the names any way, so it is not necessary to create a gender category. If i remember correctly, Wikipedia actually advises against making gender categories when they can be avoided. I understand that you have no malice what so ever: perhaps you are simply interested in women's history, such as I myself, and therefore find this sort of categories useful and practical, such as I myself do. But; there are more important things to consider, and we must see to it that all groups of people are welcomed and being made to feel they are treated with consideration at Wikipedia. I hop you do not take offence, but may consider this. Perhaps out of consideration, you may decide to think that Category: People of the Republic of Venice are sufficient enough, and not create other categories like this one. My very best wishes--Aciram (talk) 12:10, 9 December 2014 (UTC)


Hi! You've done a great job expanding the article about him. I've read it and made a few tweaks, but I would advise you to ask a copyeditor to go through it too. The grammar is slightly off here and there, and the style could be improved as well. Normally it wouldn't be an issue, but I see that you have nominated it for GA status. Surtsicna (talk) 17:37, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! I have requested CE now.--Zoupan 13:54, 7 January 2015 (UTC)


There are probably more of these towns wrongly categorized as Dacian, I haven't really checked this. You might dive into Category:Dacian towns if you wish. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:16, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Serb Uprising of 1596–97[edit]

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Stefan Vladislav of Serbia[edit]

I did some prose improvements, but I wasn't overly bold, either, since I didn't want to mess up the article's newly attained GA status! --Biblioworm 17:20, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Jasenovac Research Institute[edit]

The Institute is a controversal source, see the discussion here Talk:Jasenovac concentration camp/Archive 1#Cracked the Jasenovac Research Institute, individual case web links Lažni popis žrtava Jasenovca and Surname Rotim, and as for my proof see surname Poropat at the victim search Poropat, the villages Trstenik, Dane, Lanišće, Vodice, Jelovice are in Ćićarija area (see also Ćići where the surname is mentioned) in Istria, and they died in war as Partisans defending against the fascists and nazis of Italy and Germany.--Crovata (talk) 16:16, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

You are right, the database is not for Jasenovac victims, but overall victims of genocide and fascism in Yugoslavia 1941–45, according to the disclaimer.--Zoupan 16:22, 16 February 2015 (UTC)


I see that Serbian fascism and pseudohistoricism is still alive and well on Wikipedia. But please, for start, can you elaborate how on Earth can Vojislavljević dynasty be Serbian dynasty if Stefan Prvovenčani (the First-crowned) was considered the first Serb king by his contemporaries and historians alike? Time-travelling? Sideshow Bob 15:01, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

You are very aggressive. Take it easy. First of all, the Vojislavljević dynasty is a Serbian dynasty, part of Serbian history, historiography, etc. This is commonly known. Second of all, do you seriously think that by bringing up Stefan Prvovenčani and time-travelling that it would in some way refute the fact that the Vojislavljević dynasty is/was Serb? Judging by your edits, you would like for the dynasty to be called "Montenegrin" but that would be anachronism.--Zoupan 15:18, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

This is not a matter of what I like, but of simple historical truth. Just because Serbian nationalists outnumber neutral people on English wiki, this does not make your historical forgery less problematic. I was just making a simple parallel - if Serbian statehood begins with the Nemanjić dynasty, and Stefan I is crowned the first king of the Serbs in 1217, how can a man who reigned from 1050 also be a Serb king? Would you please answer this simple paradox for start? I am the one that is reverting to NPOV (neutral term "Southern Slav", instead your false "Serbian" claim), so please stop your vandalism and discuss the issue first.--(UTC) Sideshow Bob 17:43, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

What is the historical truth, according to you? According to historiography, the Vojislavljević dynasty was Serb. Mihailo was the first Serb king (as King of Slavs), but not the first King of Serbia, which was Stefan (as King of Serbia). Calling the dynasty "Southern Slav" is completely inaccurate.--Zoupan 20:35, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Historical truth is that not all, if any, medieval Southern Slavs at the time of Vojislavljević dynasty foundation can be called "Serb" because Serb statehood began with Nemanjić dynasty. The Vojislavljevićs were Slavic and Roman Catholic, and are the first of four Montenegrin (Dioklian-Zetan) dynasties, having nothing to do with Serbs, apart from belonging to a wider ethnic group of Balkan Slavs. Hence, calling them "Serb" is historical revisionism based on political beliefs, rather than objective state of affairs. Sideshow Bob 11:49, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
Of course not all South Slavs at the time were Serbs, however, the fact remains that the Vojislavljević were part of the Serbs (and Slavic). You are making the mistake that Catholicism means non-Serb, when for long, the Serb tribes straddled between the West and East, only to be consolidated under the Orthodox church later. Saying that they "had nothing to with Serbs" is an obivious anti-Serb comment. I think this discussion ended a long time ago. No one has ever disagreed with the importance of the dynasty to the history of Montenegro. Continue at the article talk page.--Zoupan 12:02, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

An invitation to join the WikiProject Republika Srpska[edit]

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Nomination of 1582–83 defter of the Sanjak of Scutari for deletion[edit]

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Serbs of Bosnia and Herzegovina (G. Bregović)[edit]

The general reply on the issue can be read here; what you think about it, and if he should be removed from the list, as I don't know many notable Bosnian Serbs to replace him, could you do the work?--Crovata (talk) 17:38, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Do not change the numbers of official souces[edit]

Please do not use estimations while there are official numbers.I know that some serbs boycotted the 2011 Kosovo population census but this does not mean that there are 140,000 or 100,000 serbs in Kosovo.If you have reliable sources ,please use them.If you do not have any,please do not use unreliable estimations! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Suksesi (talkcontribs) 17:34, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Warning removal[edit]

Your removal of this warning was within your rights, but please note that: (a) Notwithstanding your edit summary, "this user, a sockpuppet, was indef banned - my accusations do not lack evidence," the warning was about your use of insults, not about accusations of sockpuppetry. You do not have the right to be insulting or incivil to anyone, even someone who is, or who you may suspect of being, a sockpuppet. (b) Also note that removal of a warning from your talk page is deemed to be an acknowledgement that you have read it, see OWNTALK. — TransporterMan (TALK) 15:38, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

I agree. Posts like this:
Why are you so ignorant? It is meant to show a realistic number, don't you think? That's what estimations are for (look up the word, estimation).--Zoupan 12:25 pm, 21 February 2015, last Saturday (3 days ago) (UTC−6)
Are incivil and may be considered to be a personal attack. In either case it is [not] appropriate on WP. Please adjust your behavior and become a better editor. Thanks.-- KeithbobTalk 20:56, 24 February 2015 (UTC)-- KeithbobTalk 17:23, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

I understood his behaviour as ignorant (see Zakoni (talk · contribs) and Suksesi (talk · contribs)), that's why I was frank and asked him; he may have not understood what "estimation" was (as English is not his first language), so I linked it. I do not see the comment as insulting, but I understand that the conversation may be viewed of as incivil. Thank you, I certainly will.--Zoupan 21:18, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. Glad to hear the incivility was unintentional and that you will be more careful in the future. Thanks for all your contributions to the project! -- KeithbobTalk 17:25, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Warning icon Zoupan please stop warning people and "threatening" them so egotistically. You erased my revisions to my edits and required citing the references. I have been awaiting patiently to gather my material. You have went to far my generating false accusations and reporting mis-notions by reporting to admin on issues that are small and could have been resolved quietly. This is very childish. Note that you actions are revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities; don't flatter yourself. Once again, I implore you to not allow your nationalistic bias views to cloud your judgment; it can ruin the credibility and the collaboration to make pages on wiki better.Duro se po vim ! (talk) 20:33, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Modifying Article as "editing" need to be properly sourced through remission of the regulations and bylaws adhered by wikipedia[edit]

Information icon Hello, I'm IllyrianDodona. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Mirnes Pepić, but you didn't provide a reliable source. Your "edits" have been removed for now due to erased information.

Information icon Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as they can be deemed biased and objective. Thank You Do, Sdo... Ketu per gjithmon ! (talk) 23:13, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Hello I am Bato Lumbardhaj. I have performed a search with the contents of Mirnes Pepic, and it appears that you seem to be erasing information based on nationalistic views. Please refrain from performing edits without reading the regulatory guidelines set by wiki. Bato The Illyrian (talk) 16:11, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Information icon Even though I appreciate some of the "clean up" you have done on the Idriz Toskaj page, I have cited the "citations" that you had required. Thank You for making me a better wiki member. With that being said, I noticed that you had revised and once again erased content in which you didn't like or appreciate because it did not fit your nationalistic beliefs/interests. These actions are very contradictory and hypocritical considering that the last past few weeks you have been pestering me about "warring" and editing without citations... yet here we are, you just edited my page, that I created, doing the same thing. This has to stop. I have not reported you to the admin board, but if you continue on this destructive path of editing my pages I will report you and asked for your editing to be blocked. Cheers mate. Duro se po vim ! (talk) 13:38, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Boris Kalamanos[edit]

Besides the already cited sources at Talk:Boris Kalamanos, do you have any other further information, especially by modern historiography which mentions and discuss the old scholarly POV how Borić and Kalamanos were the same person? Perhaps we could bring all this quotes together again and finally conclude (reach a consensus) the discussion.--Crovata (talk) 07:26, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

March 2015 - invalid assertions[edit]

Information icon Thank You for your inquiry Zoupan. I have responded back to your fruitless assertions that are invalid. You will find my answer on the admin noticeboard Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents . I advise you that in the future to communicate openly in order to resolve issues versus taking a very "sneaky" approach by coming up with assertions with no facts. This sends a strong statement as to the type of character is performing edits on wiki articles. Cheers mate. Bato The Illyrian (talk) 17:13, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

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Bulgarian-Serbian war[edit]

Hello, Zoupan! It is very nice that you have created articles about the Bulgarian-Serbian wars of 839-842 and 853 and I have added some links and clarifications to the first one; later I will see the other one as well. However, I would suggest that you move the pages as "Bulgarian-Serbian War of ..." because the correct adjective of Bulgaria is Bulgarian, not Bulgar. At the time the Bulgarian army included both Bulgars and Slavs, so the term Bulgar is misleading, because we both know it stands only for the Bulgar people. Regards, Gligan (talk) 19:01, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Serbianization of historical Bosniaks[edit]

Do not try Serbianizing or robbing Bosniaks of their heritage, name and ethnic identity by referring to Bosniaks as "Bosnian Muslims" without sources. Several sources specifically use BOSNIAK, but you are trying to twist that. Stop or I WILL report your nationalistic edits.--Sabahudin9 (talk) 06:14, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

The term "Bosnian Muslim" is offensive as it uses "Muslim" as an ethnicity, reminiscent of the Yugoslav-era Islamophobic propaganda and Serbian nationalism that culminated in the 1990s Serbian attack on Bosnia and Herzegovina. The term "Bosnian Muslim" is dated and offensive. The politically correct term is Bosniak.--Sabahudin9 (talk) 06:19, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

That is not true. As I commented on your talk page, take a look at the parent categories of Category:Ottoman Bosnian Muslims. For instance, is a Devşirme automatically a Bosniak? What about non-Slavic Muslims in Bosnia? You see, the problem is nomenclature; the Ottoman Bosnian Muslims were indeed the precursor to the Bosniaks, I do not oppose that, but I do oppose the category bombing (four vague categories instead of one?) - the category name is concise. This has nothing to do with Yugoslavia or offensive terms. The politically correct term for the modern Bosnian Muslims is Bosniaks, but the term cannot be used for the Ottoman Bosnian Muslims (or Ottoman Bosniaks, if you will) as noted.--Zoupan 06:37, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

DAB page Siege of Belgrade[edit]

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Thanks for the stub Sarı Süleyman Bey. I couldn't understand what Mahmudis stand for. Can you expand the article to include Mahmudis ? Cheers.Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 15:40, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Kurdish tribe.--Zoupan 17:41, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Prince-Bishopric of Montenegro[edit]

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Artistic images of mediveal principalities[edit]

Hi Zoupan. I noticed you added a source in the image of the Principality of Arta (as well as in similar images) [[2]]. I wonder what makes this kind of images historical and not just a product of artistic reconstraction. The work under the title "Heraldika Skipatare" and the link to a forum can hardly considered enough to warrant the historicity of these images.Alexikoua (talk) 07:31, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

I added those in order to trace the historicity/fiction; one user claimed "I created this work entirely by myself" but in fact, it was downloaded from a forum – invalid reliable source. I would delete all claimed coats of arms which are not found in old armorials, including this one, which is used in 5 en-articles, and still not sourced since 14 March.--Zoupan 08:42, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
I thought that this is irrelevant with history. Moreover, it appears that they were placed as a product of personal obsession of 2-3 users all these years. I'm going to remove this unhistoric staff immediatelly.Alexikoua (talk) 09:40, 25 April 2015 (UTC)


How is displaying their origin "biased"? I merely provided a sufficent amount of evidence that supports the claim that the original tribes were Croatian. If you want to see baised then take a look at the other pages maps. Putting up "Greater Serbia" maps that was made on paint is hardley nuetral nor historical accurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prophet of Truth and Knowledge (talkcontribs) 14:10, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Inclusion of Turkish in non-Turkish settlements[edit]

Why do you insist on adding Turkish names for non-Turkish settlements in Kosovo? This is redundant (and unconstructive).--Zoupan 15:57, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Non-Turkish settlements cannot be considered as a reason. As I said on the summary, Turkish language officially recognized regional language for Municipalities of Kosovo like Albanian and Serbian!! Maurice Flesier (talk) 16:07, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Don't template the regulars. You are the one edit-warring. Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle.--Zoupan 17:58, 3 May 2015 (UTC)