User talk:Zscout370/Archive 6

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PD Flags[edit]

Many thanks for your efforts with the creation and PD release of flag images. As somebody who wants to keep the "free" in the "the free encyclopedia" meaningful - and desperate to avoid becoming "the mildly dodgy copyright status encyclopedia - reproduce at your peril!" - I really appreciate your work. Cheers. TheGrappler 07:26, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Your quite welcome. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 11:24, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Image:TLCinterview72605-ruthegirl.ogg listed for deletion[edit]

An image or media file that you uploaded, Image:TLCinterview72605-ruthegirl.ogg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. FuriousFreddy 07:29, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Whack it. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 02:06, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia awards committee[edit]

Check out my comments here, Wikipedia awards committee. Thanks! --evrik 17:23, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 18:37, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

regarding move of File:Somerights.png[edit]

Hi, just wanted to let you know that either the image is no longer at the commons or your move over to commons of the image failed because any links to it, like template:MultiLicenceWithCC-By-All-IntEng give a broken redlink to the image now, it may be because you uploaded it under a different name and if that is the case please modify the template to the right image name, otherwise please let me know and I'll try to track down another copy of that image somewhere. Pegasus1138Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 20:18, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

It was whacked at the Commons, so that is why the image is broken. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 20:21, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

IFD's log[edit]

Got january done and everything left to Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion/2006 January 31 ... -- Wirelain 21:17, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 21:20, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Febuary 2006 is now ready for the final touch. (again, thank you ... I was not looking forward to having to relist them all on ifd.) -- Wirelain 15:06, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Oprah Winfrey[edit]

Hey Zach, I've proposed a solution to the images problem here with a list of images to keep or to delete from the article. Please look and comment. Thanks. Harro5 05:02, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

It's been!getcrunk what?! 02:16, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
You still got those new users. Plus, though IP address edits may not prove anything, you still got other tools. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 02:18, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Futurama Images Removed[edit]

Hello. I'd like to know the reasons why all the images of List of Futurama places were removed. Is there a policy about not showing images on that kind of sections or something like that? Thanks in advance. --javoec 16:58, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Sure. WP:FUC is our page listining the criteria on what is considered a fair use image and how they are supposed to be used. From what I read that list, I felt like the pictures on the Futurama list were just decoration, though they were showing just what the place looks like. And since fair use photos cannot be used for decorations, they need to be removed from articles. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 18:03, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Flag of Bulgaria in Commons[edit]

Hi Zach. I've seen that you are the author of the commons:Image:Flag of Bulgaria.svg. I've found something wrong in this image. According to the Bulgarian low the ratio of the flag is 3:5 while the image is 450:300 px. Is there any reason to create the picture with this size instead of 500:300? Do you mind if I change it to the correct size? Thank you --Ikonact 20:18, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

My goof, I fixed the ratio. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 20:36, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Thank you. I could have fixed it, but I wanted to know the reason.:-) That's OK now, thank you --Ikonact 20:46, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
I don't mind fixing it; I just had to open notepad and switch a new numbers around. I need the work. :D User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 20:47, 11 July 2006 (UTC)


Please don't remove an nld template without adding a copyright tag. Even if information is written in about the copyright, without a tag it is still eligible for deletion. --Hetar 03:11, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

On the fairusedisputed tag, it says it can be deleted also. However, I removed it since there is/was no prior discussion that I could see contesting the fair use status, so what I suggest is either start the discussion somewhere or point out to me where it is. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:25, 12 July 2006 (UTC)


Srbocetnik is not an insult,iт ис the way we call our selves in joke,it is coined from 2 words: Srb witch means Serb and Cetnik witch means Cetnik.

Ice Cold 06:18, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

The username was pointed out to me as being offensive to several editors, so under thew Wikipedia:Username policy, I had to block the username and permit you to edit Wikipedia under a new one. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 07:55, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok,but those people would be offended if I used just names Serb or just Cetnik,because they simple hate both Serbs and Cetniks.Those people hate everything that Serbian,becuase they have no culture,history or art of their own. For more info see Serbophobia. Ice Cold 12:46, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

No; we had other usernames that had the word Serb in it, and also we have a username that was CCCC, and reported to me and others, but that was allowed. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 19:31, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

p.s.You should also see Ernst Bloch,he exposed them for they really are,read some of his books if you get a chance and you will see how croocked they are Ice Cold 12:51, 12 July 2006 (UTC)


Thanks Zscout370[edit]

Just wanted to say that your blocking of the User:Porky Pig sockpuppet may be a bit controversial but from what I know of User:SirIsaacBrock the project will have been helped. I doubt this matter is settled but I just wanted to express to you these thoughts. Thanks again. (Netscott) 21:38, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Sometimes, we have to do things that no one likes, or there will be contention over it. But, we have to sometimes throw out AGF and bite the bullet and see what happens. If it turns out to be a good decision, then the block stays. If not, someone would have removed it by now. Thanks. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 23:28, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
It appears that this individual may have a history of hopping from one sockpuppet to another. Have a look at this RfC about User:WritersCramp and tell me if that doesn't sound familiar (check the talk page too)? This user and his sockpuppets should all be indefinitely blocked. Period. (Netscott) 23:36, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
And that is not uncommon. Just keep on pointing it out at AN/I and we will deal with them. :) User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 23:41, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Sounds like a good plan... once again thanks for making the blocking call. :-) (Netscott) 23:46, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
No problem. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 23:48, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Advance Australia Fair[edit]

That's cool. Just keep in mind the principle of not stuffing too much information into the introduction. (There's a Wikipedia guide somewhere on that). Rocksong 03:49, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I know, I am going to have others look at it, but this is just a start, since while I know a lot about anthems, but not much about the Aussie anthem. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:51, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Ottawa flag[edit]

I ran our duplicatedly-replaced png flag through Inkscape's 'trace bitmap' tool, and I believe its result is more faithful to the original image than either of our versions; I've uploaded this latest trace on top of your Image:Flag of Ottawa, Ontario.svg. Image:Ottawa flag.svg is completely orphaned now, so you can go ahead and speedy it. ~ Booya Bazooka 07:25, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I drew mine out by hand and made it close to exact of what you and the PNG image already has. I also used Inkscape to make the flag, but the problem of just tracing is that it will allow very few people to edit the SVG image, but with the version I created, others can completely edit it. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 08:07, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
You drew the flag yourself, so it's public domain. I also find it ironic that on their website, they declare tha the flag must have the ratio of 1:2 while their picture of the flag is clearly not that ratio. I can attest that the flags used around town are indeed 1:2 though. --curling rock Earl Andrew - talk 20:49, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, FOTW makes that mistake too. I am still refining the flag, though I am close to seeing if I want to get a Ottawa table flag so I can take a peek, since all of the Online images are kinda bad. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 20:50, 14 July 2006 (UTC)


I hate to pester, but I'd really appreciate it if you could drop in on the discussion at Hetar's talk page about Image:Twoflue_2.GIF. He reverted your edit to the image page, again claiming that copyright information wasn't provided (which, as you pointed out earlier, it was). I don't know what to do here, and Two flue harpoon really needs an illustrative image, which I feel I've gone out of my way to provide in accordance with WP:FAIR.

Any help you can provide in suggesting what I should do to resolve the concerns would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! -Harmil 23:48, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I changed it back, removed the fair use disputed tag. I also think it is fair use, and you have all of the needed information on the image page. I have no clue what this user sees and either both of us miss. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 23:52, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the help, and I'm sorry if I'm touchy. I tend to get frustrated easily when I'm presented with rapidly changing offenses that I'm supposed to have committed. I'm sure you and Hetar and I could quite happily go have a drink somewhere and forget the whole thing ;)
Again, thank you for your moderation and level-headed approach. -Harmil 16:21, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Dude, don't worry about it. A lot of images I uploaded in the past were deleted due to fast changing policies. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 18:51, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


I noticed that you added the no source tag to the above image. What kind of info needs to be added about the source of this image? It is a screenshot of The Daily Show, there isn't much more to say about the source than that. Qutezuce 07:41, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Did you take the screenshot yourself or which website did you get it from? If you took it yourself, say so. If not, list the website please. That is all I ask for. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 14:11, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
I did not upload the image and I do not know where the user who uploaded it got it from. I'm confused as to why source information like that is needed, as the original source of the image is clear, and the fair-use claim is easy to establish. The person who took the screenshot does not hold any extra copyright on the screenshot, so I don't see how that is relevant. Qutezuce 07:33, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
The person who took it does not hold the copyright, but we have been having issues with a lot of fair use pictures that have no source and use the blanket templates. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 21:28, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
So you're just enforcing a general policy that makes no sense in this specific case? This is a serious question, I'm trying to understand why a "source" is needed for this image. Qutezuce 21:40, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
As I said, we have been getting a lot of fair use photos that have no source, and orphanbot went it and made it not being used by any articles. I figured it would be fair to let folks know on the image that it needed a source, which could be the main reason why orphan bot went in and removed it. Give us a source, a website where the image came from, or the image will be gone. But I think all the above articles have too many photos anyways, IMHO, but I will not delete it based soley on that. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:41, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Ok, after this edit, the uploader just reverted myself and Oprhanbot and began to add the photo back in. I am dropping this for now, since I cannot break the "Culture of Fair Use" that Wikipedia has all by mself. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:47, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
My question is that if the source of the image is clear (a screenshot of The Daily Show), then why do we need to provide info about the path the screenshot took from Comedy Central, to someone who took the screenshot, to Wikipedia. We already know it is fair use, we don't need to know who took the screenshot. My question is not about your actions, but about why the Wikipedia policy that supports your actions is the way it is. Qutezuce 22:57, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
We are trying to refine the fair use policy, and one of the things we are trying is to determine a source for a photo, regardless if it is obvious, like a screenshot of a TV show. Some are for keeping the way it is, me and others feel like we should have a source for everything. While we are dealing with albums now, I personally feel that images should have sources, so if there is any questions to where it came from, we can say "it came from here" or "one of our own took the shot." As I said before, there are a lot of fair use photos uploaded using a "blanket" license, and we are starting to move from that. It will take some time before every photo is looked at, but from what I seen with this picture, it will take a while before we get everyone to think like me and others do. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 00:47, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Coat of Arms of Sealand.png[edit]

Thanks for uploading Image:Coat of Arms of Sealand.png. However, the image may soon be deleted unless we can determine the copyright holder and copyright status. The Wikimedia Foundation is very careful about the images included in Wikipedia because of copyright law (see Wikipedia's Copyright policy).

The copyright holder is usually the creator, the creator's employer, or the last person who was transferred ownership rights. Copyright information on images is signified using copyright templates. The three basic license types on Wikipedia are open content, public domain, and fair use. Find the appropriate template in Wikipedia:Image copyright tags and place it on the image page like this: {{TemplateName}}.

Please signify the copyright information on any other images you have uploaded or will upload. Remember that images without this important information can be deleted by an administrator. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me, or ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Pagrashtak 18:50, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Responded. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 19:18, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Seesh, more awards?![edit]

I award you this barnstar for your work on creating SVGs of the flags of French Canadians. Not like you need it, though. OzLawyer 15:15, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
No, wait, I take it back and award you this one instead. OzLawyer 15:21, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Doesn't matter, yall like the work, which is pretty good enough. Thanks anyways :) User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 16:39, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Dr. José Miró Cardona[edit]

What can I do to properly use the photo in the José Miró Cardona article? I thought that I uploaded properly, or at least in accordance with other TIME covers used. I was going to add it again, but I'll wait for your response.

Order of Canada[edit]

Just wanted to say good job removing the list of member on the Order of Canada page. It was just getting crazy. In a related note I visited La Citadelle the other day and got to hold a Companion badge they have on display, but unfortunately photos are not allowed inside the residence, so no pd image of the insignia (although I really think that those images on the page probably originated from Library and Archives Canada, but there images are currently broken links :( Hope everything is going well --Dowew 23:28, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. While it is good we know where we can find the insignia, I think we are fine, since we are using the insignia under the fair use. There are a lot of other Canadians I can poke and prod and see if we can get free photos. But as for everything else, it is fine here. Just getting SVG Canadian flags done. I am glad that the Order article is being prunned, it really needs it. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 23:44, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Hydnjo's response to the blocking proposal[edit]

I thank one and all - Jarandal, Antandrus, Titoxd, Xaosflux, TenOfAllTrades, mboverload, PseudoSudo, Knowledge Seeker, Haukurth, Deathphoenix, Zzyzx11, Tyrenius, Zscout370, AnnH, Rick Block, Tyrenius (again), Zscout370 (again) and NoSeptember for your support.

To Jeffrey O. Gustafson who initiated this block request I ask why? We have had no interaction until now so how do you come to this requested action at WP:AN? Did you come across my account during your own research or are you acting as a proxy for another admin/user with whom I've caused to be angry with me? In reviewing your contributions I see no such "letter of the law" before now and so I feel singled out by you and I have no clue as to why - that to me is most disturbing. If you've come to this action on your own then should I be always wary of another admin challenging the legitimacy of my account?

For TenOfAllTrades who advised me not to worry and Rick who made me laugh I give special thanks, you've helped me to not take this so personally. And to Jeff, thanks for being courteous in informing me of your action and for letting me feel that your heart wasn't for blocking me.
Except for my one explanation above, I haven't edited for a few days now so as to allow y'all to comment about this based on my history of contribution rather than my reaction to it.

I wanted to say all of this before it all goes to archive heaven. I still have a lingering concern that this may arise again and don't want to go through WP life looking over my shoulder or worrying that I might piss-off some admin and cause another inquiry about the legitimacy of my account. If any of you who have been so gracious as to take the time to support me here have any suggestions to prevent such an action, please drop your thoughts on my talk or by email.

Finally, on a personal note to all, I never ever expected so much supportive response from all of you. I know that I've been moody at times and have spoken in ways that I have regretted the next day. I hoped otherwise but it seemed that those unfortunate responses might end up being my legacy as they were the foremost in my mind. And so far as this being a "role account", I think that I'll let the descriptions of AnnH and NoSeptember (both above) stand as the most intuitive descriptions of this account. My (and our) warmest regards to all of you for your understanding and outward support for the continuation of hydnjo's user account and future contributions. Again, my delighted and humble thanks :-) --hydnjo talk 02:03, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

addendum: Jeff, I was confused at the outset in that I wasn't aware of the "role account" policy and then after becoming aware I was frustrated that I had made so many edits which could mislead someone to the conclusion that my account was a role account. I'm sorry that in my zeal to understand your actions that I posed the possibility that you were acting at someone else's behest. I have no evidence of that and it was improper of me to even mention that such a bizarre conspiracy was possible. I find myself guilty of "blaming the messenger" and posting an inappropriate comment about your motivation.

As for my account, I want to state that it is not a role account and I apologize for leaving the impression that it is one. "hydnjo" is the signature that I commonly use for much of my correspondence and thought it to be appropriate when I first started my WP account. The portmanteau is an acknowledgment of our shared existence and not an indication that Heidi and I share in editing at WP.

I thank you for your courtesy in informing me at the outset of the discussion at WP:AN and for your compliments about my contributions. The comments in my response were made in the shadow of my own frustration with my having left a trail of edits that could easily be construed as having come from either Heidi or myself. I sincerely apologize to you for making any suggestion as to your motivation in bringing up a legitimate policy question. You have a genuine concern for the orderly behavior of our editors and I thank you for initiating this discussion and providing me the opportunity to explain the nature of my account. --hydnjo talk 19:05, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Your welcome. You're good people to have on WP, and while I might not have worked with you both on any articles, I still believe the actions that some wanted to persue against you were misplaced and just a little understanding later, everyone is fine and no one got blocked. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:27, 18 July 2006 (UTC)


I see that you're deleting flag images right and left from the Flags of Puerto Rico article (maybe we should safe some time and delete the whole article while we are at it (smile)). It would be nice to have the 1873 Spanish colonial Flag, since it is a historical flag. Can you come up with something? Any ideas? I mean pretty soon the article is going to be left without any flags and is goping to be useless. Take care. Tony the Marine 21:10, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I know you want to use various flags of Puerto Rico, and that is one goal that I commend, but the problem is that many of the flag images that you have uploaded in the past, they are coming from sources that do not want their flags images to be used. What I can suggest is that we merge this article with Flag of Puerto Rico and keep the flags that are freely licensed, then link to both FOTW and Vexilla Mundi, but not upload the images here. How does that sound? User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 21:26, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
    • I like your idea. I only have one request. Instead of adding a "merge tag" I would like it if you worked on it when ever you find the time. You see I like your style and I've grown to trust your judgement completely. I'm glad that you didn't feel offended with my message above because I was only kidding with you (As my Italian ancestors would say "I was busting your Chops" (smile)). How does that sound? Tony the Marine 00:23, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I like it! I didn't think you were picking on me, really. I've seen you're work before and I even had the pleasure of talking with you on this talk page. I know that you and me, we're always "cool". JUST DON'T MESS AROUND NO MORE! (just joking). Tony the Marine 01:02, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I am not going to delete the flags now, I am going to double check them again before I press the delete button. The only thing I deleted is the talk page of the Flags... page since all it contained was a template about the PR Wikiproject. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 01:04, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Estonian flags[edit]

Thank you for your offer. If you have the copyright of those images, why would'nt you upload them yourself? I think they might be useful. And it would be better to upload them directly to Commons. Then you can use them in the English Wikipedia article Estonian flag. Andres 18:19, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I own the copyright, so I will upload myself in a few hours. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 18:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Forgive me if I'm stupid, but that above sentence seems like you're going to upload yourself to Commons. ;) --Terrancommander 17:04, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


I know it's VERY uncommon to ask for awards but I really think I deserve this. I've worked incredibly hard on Libya and have developed it from little more than a stub to featured article.


--Jaw101ie 18:29, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Deleted flags[edit]

Hi, two of the flags thatshould be on Gallery_of_flags_based_on_British_ensigns have been deleted by you. Would it be possible to update the pge with the curent most appropriate images (my vexillolgy is non-existant). Rich Farmbrough 19:29 24 July 2006 (GMT).

I will probably get that Quebec flag done soon and others are working on the British High Commissioner flag. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 19:36, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Assistance needed[edit]

Could you please help convert this flag and this flag (the latter of which was uploaded to image:Macau flag.gif, intentionally made disused [1] and was not restored dispite warning [2]) to replace the existing inaccurate ones at image:flag of Hong Kong.svg and image:flag of Macau.svg? Thanks in advance. — Instantnood 20:17, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

What I have done is I measured the specifics of the flagd and made minor changes. Other than that, I could not much else, since it looks correct. The only major ting I did with the Macau flag is that I resized the central emblem a little bit, then put it to scale. I hope that helps. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 21:04, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks so much. Meanwhile I'm curious to know what you've actually done with the Hong Kong flag. — Instantnood 21:53, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
I mainly checked the height and width of the emblem on the official image, them comparied it with the SVG image. Made the minor changes and that is about it. There was nothing else that I could think of; other than suggesting to get the EPS image, convert it to SVG, then upload it. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 21:57, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Thank you very much. — Instantnood 22:00, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Image:Class 171-cab.jpg[edit]

It has been determined on two separate occasions that the license for this image is acceptable for inclusion on Wikipedia, at least one of which was after the cut-off date. Please check the history of the image page and IfD. Thryduulf 21:25, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok. I will still look, but im my honest opinion, I find this license quite strange. I will not press the issue futher, but my opinion that it should (not have to) change. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 21:33, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Hmm, I hadn't thought of it that way (I hadn't seen SPUI's comment when I posted at PUI last night). I will think about it and reply later, probably at PUI or the image talk. Thryduulf 08:58, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )[edit]

Hullo. While I do agree that masses upon masses of undiscussed page moves are bad, and I do agree that this user seems, err, unrepentant, would it be remiss if I made three complaints in a more general sense?

It always looks bad when one admin says "If you do (blah) again you'll be blocked" and another admin blocks the person before they do (blah) again. It also looks bad when an indefinate block gets applied without a note being placed on the user's talk page saying it's been done. And finally, even if we don't have anything to say to a disruptive user, it looks bad to come right out and say so.

All that being said: I'm mostly a pain in the arse, I support the block, and bloody oath I'm thankful that it was you who reverted all those moves and not me.

brenneman {L} 05:56, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Look, I wanted to be brief to him, since I am at the pont where I want to kick his ass. I noted the block at AN/I, and he was warned twice not to do it, but Zoe pointed out that if he was reverted, despite being told not to move, he would have moved back anyways and cause a move war. And moving 800+ pages is something that just cannot be ignored. IMHO, it is ban worthy, though I have blocked the user on here before and on the Commons for copyvios. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:00, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
  • The above user has contacted the blocking list. Could you please advise me of the background?Capitalistroadster 06:38, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
    • He was perfroming page moves, but the page moves were contested by Zoe. Zoe, going on Richard's talk page, advised him to not make any moves again. Richard said he would continue, so Zoe warned him again, this time saying that he would be blocked if he moved again. I saw a posting at AN/I that he had performed these page moves and requested for assistance. After looking at the scope of the page moves, he did over 800 of them in the span of a few days. So, after reverting a few, I blocked the user indefinitely and I have begun to revert the last 200 or so page moves. There is a thread now at WP:AN/I supporting the indef block, supporting my efforts to page move. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:44, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
While I agree with the block I have removed your protection of the user's talk page to allow further communication. As Aaron pointed out above, we don't help ourselves by escalating the antagonism... and 'wanting to kick some ass' is exactly the attitude admins should never take. This user is one of those people who makes massive surges of changes all at once - which is either a great thing or a terrible thing depending on the nature of the changes. If discussion can bring them around to agreeing to discuss such mass adjustments / hold off if there are concerns in the future then they should be unblocked. If not then the block should stay. But shutting down communication / antagonizing them is just a good way to create a new mass vandal. --CBD 12:22, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

NEW SHINY AWARD YAY[edit] --mboverload@ 22:17, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

A N Hornby[edit]

I guess you did a blind revert of Richard Norton's edits but the one that he made here was correct. The A. N. Hornby is the standard format followed in all cricket biography articles. Can you please move it back to A. N. Hornby. tia, Tintin (talk) 15:24, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Fixed. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 17:24, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. Tintin (talk) 08:21, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )[edit]

Your block has been under discussion in a number of places. I would like your help in two areas.

First of all, I would urge you to shorten the block to a suitable time, for example 30 or 60 days. This should provide ample opportunity for discussion of the most appropriate duration and would avoid the inflammatory effect that a block perceived to be permanent has.

Second of all, I have concerns about some of the mechanics of the block. Others have raised these as well. I am concerned about the precedent this might set if something isn't done fairly quickly to repudiate certain procedural points. I would prefer to discuss these with you in detail privately and suggest you contact me via email if you're willing to do this. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 15:20, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Norton has made me a promise to perform no more page moves for a period of 90 days. In return, I have unblocked him and hope that this will facilitiate a more permanent understanding that is acceptable to everyone. Please direct discussion regarding the unblock to Norton's talk page. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 16:13, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Fine. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 17:27, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Problem with LeBlanc flag SVG[edit]

Zach, It appears that there is a problem with the SVG of GG LeBlanc's flag. See the the talk page of the SVG for more. - Thanks, Hoshie | Don't Tread on Me 06:20, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Image:Flag of the Royal Military College of Canada.svg[edit]

You could have uploaded it to commons so the other projects could have used it too... ? feydey 02:47, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I could have, but I wanted to make sure ya'll like the image before I send it there. It is easier for me to correct it here than at the Commons. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:06, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Ok then, can You mention the source for the SVG flag. As I looked, it is somewhat different than Image:Rmc flag.jpg. feydey 03:15, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
I traced, by hand, the crest of the college, which is currently different from the flag. The crest is from the Canadian DND. The St. Edward's crown came from one of our SVG images. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:31, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Added source. There are several different designs for the crest and the flag online, but I went ahead with the current crest, unless told otherwise. FOTW at least as two designs of the flag. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:39, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Here's a cup of coffee, relax, take deep breaths and drink. The flags will wait. feydey 06:30, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, we got plenty of images, now is time to think of the text, hmmmm. feydey 06:46, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I made Flag of Mexico and Flag of Belarus to FA, so pretty much, you have good company in the flag department. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:47, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Well Flag of Canada won't be so easy ;) And all that red there is starting to burn my eyes already... --feydey 06:56, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Damn right is's going to be easy. If there is one government that is very open about their flag, it would be Canada, hands down. Who else gives out freebie flags on national holidays and special occasions. Ain't the US, ain't the UK; it's Canada! I got books, I got contacts, and no expense will be spared to make this article an FA. Red links? No problem. Those will be nuked or filled. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:58, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

About changing those sector variables to z-sector[edit]

I, mboverload hereby award you a barnstar for just being a cool editor and admin. Homies 4 life =D --mboverload@ 22:06, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Editor's Barnstar[edit]

Editors Barnstar.png The Editor's Barnstar
I award Zscout this barnstar for his efforts in deleting thousands of pieces of unworthy content from Wikipedia.Blnguyen | rant-line 02:00, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Wow...Thank you both. *bows* User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 02:03, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Police school[edit]

LOL! Perhaps you hadn't noticed the image description, but it's not really related to Poland. The name of the image should be broken down onto Polis-hog-skolan.jpg, meaning Police Academy in... Swedish. Perhaps you could ask one of the Swedish wikipedians, certainly they would be more knowledgeable about police schools in their country :) //Halibutt 06:55, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Oops. I'll do that now. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:56, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi (stamp).jpg[edit]

Hi, I'm having a little dispute over the licensing of Image:Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi (stamp).jpg at Commons. This image is a stamp issued by the USSR in 1983. According to the Russian copyright law "State emblems and official signs (flags, armorial bearings, decorations, monetary signs and other State symbols and official signs)" are not protected by copyright (commons:Template:PD-RU-exempt). The other user disputed that "state signs" covered postage stamps. The Urkranian copyright law (which would also be a copyright holder) explictly states that postage stamps are "state signs" (commons:Commons:Stamps/Public domain). Do you have any opinion on this situation or know where I should take this dispute? Cheers, R. Koot 22:34, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

I know Belarus does not cover stamps, but I am not certain about Russia. I'll check the laws, but I need to find out what Russia Post says. Give me a few days and I will get back to you. Sorry. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 23:15, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
I did some more research myself, see commons:User talk:Denniss#Russian_stamps. —Ruud 00:50, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Will do, dear Zscout[edit]

Will do, immediately, dear Scout - tho it pains me no end to remove it, I perfectly understand. Please, let me know when a replacement image is provided, will you, hun? Btw, thank you so very very very much for your kind support at my RfA, and expect a lengthier and more appropriate message later :) Hugs, Phaedriel The Wiki Soundtrack! - 04:39, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

No problem whatsoever. I can probably get started on the image tonight, and I will certainly let you know when the image is ready (it will be in the SVG format, btw). Plus, you can call me Zach. :) User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:45, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Castro page[edit]

Thanks for your help on the Fidel Castro page. Here is a page detailing the disruptive actions of Demfourlife (talk · contribs · logs) so far [3]. This includes over 100 acts of vandalism, numerous uncivil personal attacks and various examples of harrassment of other users.--Zleitzen 08:54, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

With a few exceptions, I would say both sizes have been bitter to each other. Given the situation I am in, and with the others in, I am inclined not to block, if you want other admins to at least look at this, that is your call. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 09:47, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
I am surprised to see that you view such behaviour in this way. I don't know if you are referring to me as one of the "sizes" and I'm not sure what you mean by the remark. I wasn't aware that this was a partisan battleground and I'm certainly not a partisan participant. Feel free to check my contributions to see if I have been bitter to any user? I'm a long term contributor who has created many articles and my civility has never been questioned, the user in question is a vandal who has made a series of personal attacks and has forced many good faith editors off the page. If that isn't cause for concern then I don't know what is?
Whatsmore, the editor is blocked under numerous IP addresses and shouldn't be editing wikipedia let alone making additional personal attacks. This is a clear violation of policy and should not be sanctioned. --Zleitzen 10:11, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
The "sizes" remark was supposed to be "sides." The other people I was refering to was the TV person, who made his share of unkind remarks. I haven't seen you do anything bad at all, but my decision stands and I will not block anyone. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 19:13, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

You've got a Thank you card![edit]

Blush. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:59, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Indef-blocking User:GJRFMorelligu[edit]

I seen that you've indef blocked GJRFMorelligu for posting too many copyvios. Are you sure an indef-block is neccesary? Of course, I'm going to deny his unblock request, but I want to reduce his block to two weeks, just to remind him of what he's doing. --LBMixPro<Speak|on|it!> 22:57, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes. Jimbo Wales has stated in the past that if users upload many copyvios, despite many requests to stop, we can block them indef. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:59, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
Well he said he was sorry, but uploading hundreds of pics under a false licence doesn't seem to cut it. So I lifted the indef block for a 237 day block (one day for each uploaded image) instead. I believe the effect will still be the same on him though. --LBMixPro<Speak|on|it!> 20:43, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Fine by me. You know what, I might exactly do that in the future with other blocks, and I will convery fellow admins the same suggestion. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 23:03, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Canadian flag photos[edit]

Why Image:Canadian flags and toronto.jpg rather than Image:Flags-of-usa-and-canada.jpg on Flag of Canada, if the intention is to show how the national flags could be displayed together? (Besides, not to nitpick or toot my own horn, but I think the latter picture is a nicer one…) Or why not show both of them, perhaps with an expanded section on the etiquette of displaying multiple nation's flags? Just some thoughts… --Makaristos 07:56, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I know your photo is nice, but the main problem with the image is mainly the location. I was looking to have a photo from Canada there showing proper flag display; however, your image is still at the Commons and can be seen in a gallery. I will explain how the flag should be displayed with more than one, but I got class this week, so I am not sure when I can take a stab at it. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 13:33, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Maybe I'll have a stab at it. I have a week of surfing the net at work when I should be doing stuff. (Sssh! Don't let my boss know!) --Makaristos 13:57, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Take your time, no hurry. There will be other photos I will snap too, but once I get my digital cam in a month or so. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 23:02, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: Licencing of flag[edit]

Don't tell me that. It's Fballesteros who wanted to know, not me. -- Denelson83 23:45, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry; I saw you answer him after I posted my message. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 00:00, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:Political enemies jewish.svg listed for deletion[edit]

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Political enemies jewish.svg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Wwagner 00:35, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
All three images whacked by me, since yall do not need them. In the future, come see me instead of IFD if it is related to my images. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 00:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:Political enemies penal battalion.svg listed for deletion[edit]

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Political enemies penal battalion.svg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Wwagner 00:35, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:Political enemies triangle.svg listed for deletion[edit]

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Political enemies triangle.svg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Wwagner 00:35, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Rhinestones in Eisenhowers precious Russian star![edit]

A magnificent page on Russian medals! I have added an Eisenhower anecdote. It is allmost unbelievable isn't it? But the source is reliable. Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands in a serious book. The prince was told about the rhinestones in the Order of Victory by Eisenhower himself.

(Source: Prince Bernhard in an interview with Henny Meyer,Published in " Het vliegerskruis" isbn 90-6707-347-4)

P.S. A page with British campain medals would be swell!

Robert Prummel 02:01, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I think someone covered that, but I am bad with British medals :( But thanks for the kind words. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 02:07, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Bad Guy[edit]

Hi Zscout, thanks for your message on my talk page. I think I understand where you are coming from in general, but I am just a little puzzled about your opening line: "Look, I am not trying to be a bad guy here, but IMHO, I think some of the people who share my view about the use of logos have taken it too far."
Did I imply anywhere you have gone too far or that you are being a bad guy? If I did I apologize. This discussion has cartwheeled over so many pages now that it is a little difficult to keep track, but I don't think you have been a "bad guy". to the contrary, I think you have stated your reasoned opinion and have been open to discussion, compromise, and even mediation. I even got a good chuckle at that pig call you left for me.
The "bad guys" in my opinion would be the ones who are off unilaterally removing images and blocking people while others are trying to discuss the issues calmly.
Naturally, I share your concern about Wheel Wars. I also am with you that if Jimbo or Brad make an unambiguous policy statement, then the rest of us have no choice but to follow an imperial edict, if it comes.
I do hasten to add though, that I am not bound by an opinion by Jimbo when he offers it as an "opinion" or as something "he'd like to see". I respect him, I'll listen to his opinions and see if they sway my own, but if he takes pains to point out that he is just offering an opinion then I think the rest of us should treat it in that spirit and not fall over ourselves to make it policy. I only feel the need to mention this because at least one other editor involved in this question has tried to quote Jimbo's opinion on a different matter as if it somehow could be used to decide this case. Johntex\talk 05:56, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

You did nothing wrong, so you do not have to apologize, but I just wanted to get those feelings out. As for the Pig call, I visit Arkansas every year and I watch the Hogs whenever I can. I personally have no clue if Jimbo or Brad or the Foundation has made a call before on this specific issue, but I will patiently wait. While I have said in the past that I compared fair use to a crack pipe, but given that none of us are lawyers, I bound to get things wrong. I am not quite sure what else I can suggest, since it feels like my suggestions are being blown out of the water. But, here is my opinion; it is best to not use logos in article not because of lawsuit issues, but because of what I call an "image overkill." Pictures are good, but too many can cause issues with either visibility or formatting. That is what hurt me at the Texas Longhorns article, since the bowl logos were overlapping a portion of the text. Could have the image been fair use; of course. But an image cannot do really well if the text that is supporting the logo is being overlapped by the image. Second, if the editors do decide that logos should be used; just use the logo once. I base that off of linking things; one link is fine, but two or more for the same link might be a bad idea. That is what I suggested for the USC logo at the Longhorn's article. The fair use photo for that magazine cover from Texas, I thought it was fine, since it was showing the local reaction (like how Newspapers here in SoCal talked about USC's streak being broken by Texas at the Rose Bowl). Others thought it was not, so with about 3>1, I lose. The website banner is fine, I am still a bit iffy about the Bevo picture, but I cannot really complain much or do much, since while I do not like what Kelly is doing, a block right now on any of us will be something that will just make this powderkeg explode, again. Once again, don't apologize, but thanks for hearing me out. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:09, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

User logs[edit]

Hi Zach. Long time mate! Could you please have a look at this breach of the copyright policy User Expatkiwi logs. -- Szvest 12:25, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I have; I had issues in the past with the user uploading non-commercial images from my site, FOTW, but I have a feeling this issue will not stop. There was debates about this before, so I will try to read those too. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 13:34, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


Flag of France.svg
This image is a flag of a French région. Such flags are ineligible for copyright and therefore in the public domain because they consist entirely of information that is common property and contain no original authorship.

I asked a couple of french people, and they confirmed that it is (or should be) public domain. If they say so :-) Anthere

Ok, thanks a bunch. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:38, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


So I got your message. What do you want to talk about? Oh BTW that pic has never been on myspace. ick.!Courtney Akins

I want to talk to you about the photo and about other things.
First, the photo. The reason why I gave out those examples (myspace, other) is that this can shore up your claim of "I took this," since it is true that many Wikipedians have their own photos on here. My other suggestion with the photo is to "crop" out your friend, so we can show just you in the photo. This is mainly for privacy for the other girl, which could have been a reason why your photo was deleted. I tagged the photo in a way it will not be deleted now, but I want to hear you out.
Second, is your contributions to Wikipedia. Personally, I think you are a good person and can help Wikipedia in many areas. But I just think what happened is that your first edits as an editor was caught by other editors who think they do not want the information in. Trust me, it sucks, but it happens and I move on. What I want to suggest to you is find out what can you do to help Wikipedia and I will show you the way. Just work with me and thinkgs will be fine. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 00:49, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok no problem, thanks for the heads up hon! :)Courtney Akins 02:35, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

No problem; if you need anything, just let me know. I am here to help you. :)


Hey there, I suggest you take a look at Mangerno (talk · contribs)'s recent contributions. He's quite clearly a sockpuppet of Template:Vanda being used to evade his indef block. He's currently being incredibly disruptive, a block would be appreciated if you agree. -- pm_shef 01:37, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I am going to look into it more before I do anything. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 01:38, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
I have not been disruptive, I'm simply disagreeing with you on talk pages and removing the sockpuppet accusations from users that were absolved by Mangerno 01:40, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
As I said before, even if JonnyCanuck gets unblocked, the JonniCanuck account will not be, since it is a confusing username and can be confused with JonnyCanuck. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 01:44, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Okay thanks for looking into it, posts like the above are typical of VW socks, either way, for a user with less than 20 edits, he's far too familiar with the Vaughancruft and VaughanWatch issues. -- pm_shef 01:43, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Merci. -- pm_shef 01:57, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

A barnstar for you...[edit]

A Barnstar!
The Graphic Designer's Barnstar

For giving us, your fellow editors, nice little ribbons to put on our user pages instead of the big stars. Many thanks! - LA @ 06:57, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Your welcome. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 07:02, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Re:Image:Military history ribbon 2.png[edit]

Hehe :) I prefer your design because it is simpler... and it's easier to create new ribbons with them :) -- Grafikm (AutoGRAF) 09:21, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: Flickr pic[edit]

Maybe it should be used to substitute the "Flag of Canada flying in the wind" pic in the article, since there are two similar pics? It's a good idea to scour Flickr for CC images. feydey 09:30, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

The reason why I chose this photo too is that it shows the four type of flags flown in Canada in the correct order. I'll upload it tomrorow. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 13:21, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: RFC[edit]

Sorry for the belated reply; I was away.

You're of course welcome to keep looking for a confirmation of that pre-1973 claim. (I'd love to see one that wasn't invalidated by the Russian copyright law of 1993, Russia joining the Berne Convention in 1995, and the URAA becoming effective in the U.S. on January 1, 1996. After all, pre-1973 would be very good for us. But I think it's just not true, given the overwhelming evidence pointing the other way.)

Probably more productive would be to focus now on how exactly to replace it. I have proposed to just use "life of author + 70 years" as the rule. Within Russia, January 1, 1954 seems to be a useable cut-off date that might be used on the Russian Wikipedia; but outside, 70 years p.m.a is the best I can come up with. (See this attempt and the corresponding talk page; which I wrote on Fred Chessplayer's request.) ("70 years p.m.a." of course usually means "70 years since publication/creation" for anonymous works and works of corporate ownership.) If you could help figure out what to do with e.g. the poster Fred Chessplayer mentioned (e.g. find some special exception we could use to keep such works; based on verifiable sources), that'd be great.

Note that the template should be deprecated/corrected/replaced both here and at the commons because if it is only done here, images that cannot be kept will just be migrated to the commons.

BTW, the same people who so vehemently opposed any change to that tag (and who did so in a manner that reminds me very strongly of hooliganism) have not done anything to back up the pre-1973 claim, and are still operating as a gang to oppose even rather clear cases. See e.g. here. Some of them also seem to be rather emotionally attached to that tag (see e.g. "So far I personally feel like go from the wiki if the tag will go").

The professionals don't really seem to care; apparently none of the professional lawyers at the foundation's disposal (including Brad Patrick himself) is willing to investigate and/or take any action, as those people opposing a change (and apparently also quite a few others, in my reading of the RFC) call for.

All the best, Lupo 11:56, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

No problem about the reply, at least you did. I am having some issues with finding the information myself, so I will try and see if I can talk to Russians that I know and figure this out. What I will personally do is that I will avoid using that template from now on, until we have better evidence, though I do admit that trying to research copyright law of foreign nations that don't exist anymore are a pain to do. I know that the website has printed up the copyright laws before of the USSR, but nothing mentioning the 1973 rule. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 13:24, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:Flag of Egypt 1972.svg[edit]

I'm flattered that you took from commons:Image:Syria-flag-changes.svg , but unfortunately the golden hawk in that latter image was done by a very quick-and-dirty lo-res raster-to-vector conversion. It's basically adequate to its intended purpose in Image:Syria-flag-changes.svg , but when you magnify it in "Image:Flag of Egypt 1972.svg", it doesn't really hold up... AnonMoos 01:56, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I'll fix it ASAP, but I have relatives over, so I have cannot pinpoint when. Thanks for the heads up User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 18:18, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Gall Adelgid Deletions[edit]

Hi Zscout370, I have to say that i disagree with the removal of two images showing adelgid tree damage. Gall_Adelgid

These two images are produced by the canadian government, and yes, it is copyrighted. But the copyright belongs to the canadian government, therefore it can be used for public display when not for profit.

Moreover, these two particular images are excellent for the display of characteristics this article attempts to introduce. These images are unparalleled by other sources, which should give them more consideration. Consideration, especially because this topic is more obscure and the effect commonly mis-identified. Althought the photographer(s) cannot be directly credited, the watermark imbeded in the bottom left corner designates the copyright of the canadian government.

for these reasons i have stated above, i would be inclined to return these images to the article until superior replacements can be found. After all, images are not as subjective as written descriptions of the specified physical phenomenae.

Cheers, Dan 06:35, 15 August 2006 (UTC) Dan 06:37, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Dan, we had many images from the Canadian Government before. However, as you said, the images can be used for non-commercial/non-profit purposes. Well, those images have been "disallowed" on Wikipedia since May of 2005 by Jimbo Wales himself. So, since the images were non-commercial, we could not use them and have to be deleted on sight. I know you want to use the images, but because of rule changes beyond my control, I am not allowed to put them back in and I ask you not to upload the images again. What I can suggest is still link to the Government of Canada galleries at the bottom of the articles, but just not upload their photos onto Wikipedia. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 18:24, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi Zach,
Why did Jimbo Whales "disallow" the canadian government images? It is because wikipedia is not a canadian entity or something like that?
Similar types of images from US government organisations are allowed though, right?

Dan 05:04, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Dear Dan; it has nothing to do where they come from, it is about their "terms of use." Most US Government images are in the public domain while most of Canada's images are under Crown Copyright, which disallows commercial use. That decision is not targeted at the Canadian Government images only; many images under the non-commercial/non-profit requirements have been deleted or going to be deleted soon. It is not a bias against the Canadian Government at all. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 05:09, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Hey Zack, Is this a loophole for internet material from BC gov?

The British Columbia Superior Courts notice reads:

The decisions of the Superior Courts are made available on the Internet for the purpose of public information and research. The material on the database/web site may be used without permission provided that the material is accurately reproduced and an acknowledgement of the source of the work is included. Copying of the materials, in whole or in part, for resale or other commercial purposes is strictly prohibited unless authorized by the Superior Courts.

That's what we get for having a foreign monarch. Legacy of lame; there is a monarchist league up here that goes to the press and whines whenever we don't kiss the queen's ass.

Dan 05:16, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Each website, and government, works different. The website where you got the pictures were under the non-commercial Crown copyright license, while stuff from the BC Government (in that case) are PD. But each government office can work differently, but I do not assume that the entire BC Government makes everything in the public domain. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 05:47, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


Reason not to delete:

This band had inactive links from other wikipedia pages prior to its creation. Their was clearly a demmand for greater information about these artists prior to the creation of this page. Some of these requested links were in place long before this author had any affiliation with wikipedia

It is signed to a record label that is among the first to adhere to a new, unusual, and influential business model. (Collective Self Release Label) It is potentially an important new concept in

This page is currently in "stub" form, and will continue to be fleshed out in order to be a truly useful recourse.

This band, along with several other marked for speedy deletion are nationally distributed AND are known and (in most cases) influential within their respective underground music scenes.

Please allow this, and other appropriate new pages to be fleshed-out. I have no direct Commercial interest in any of the earmarked band or artist pages. Although this Author is closely related to those involved in this creative new bussiness model and underground phenomenon, I am not directly affiliated with any of the bands marked for deletions.

I appologize for MY deletion of the "speedy deletion" tag. It's still my first day on Wikipedia, and I didn't know that it was considered vandalism. I assumed the posting of such a tag was some innocent mistake on the poster's part, and I deleted it myself.

Please remove this tag, so that this page may be further fleshed out and go on to become a valuable resource to those interested in new and important music, as well as economic shifts and innovations whithin the music business.


Don't take it personally; but even if bands have interviews with local magazines or myspaces, they still get deleted. Sorry. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 21:36, 15 August 2006 (UTC)


It appears that you authorized the deletion of a band that has had a Wiki entry for some time.

In your haste to delete a few new entries concerning related bands, you personally managed to delete a band that has been considered relevant enough to remain on Wikipedia for sometime.

I was not the original creator of this entry. I only updated a link. I corrected the formatting for the Friendly Bears link on this page, as it was not linked with proper syntax. I regret that this drew your ire enough to see it fit to delete a page that has already proven its worth on this site.

Please rectify this situation, and consider what you are removing a little longer before you hit that delete button.

Fossiltooth 23:05, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Your edit to that article did not draw my attention over to it; it was in a backlog of articles that should have been deleted using the "speedy deletion" criteria. I was just cleaning out the category. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 23:12, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Suppression of Purple Rain pix[edit]

You're were very quick to remove a picture of a front cover of a defunct magazine, carrying the picture of an event that has been suppressed by the South African government and people like yourself, no doubt? Why don't you try moving stuff to the talk page before deleting? You could at least be considerate of those operating without ADSL in Internet Cafe's in the third world!Ethnopunk 09:41, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Fair use#Acceptable uses#Images policy on images especially cover art.Ethnopunk 09:48, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

The images were not tagged with fair use, but were tagged with a license that forbade commercial use or were for Wikipedia only. Those images have been disallowed by Jimbo since May of 2005 and told to delete on sight if new ones appear after the date of May 15th, 2005. Whoever uploaded the pictures used one of the above tags, making it eligable for speedy deletion. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 18:07, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


Hi: I tagged this article (twice). As the user appears determined to re-create it, may I respectfully suggest that the article "Megan" be protected to prevent re-creation?--Anthony.bradbury 00:06, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Already beat you to it. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 00:13, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Islamic Wikiproject Award[edit]

Would you be so kind as to go to the discussion about the Islamic Wikiproject Award? This has been a proposal that has lingered for donkey's yonks. I think the image is acceptable as a WP:PUA, but don't think the image is in line with most of the images at Wikipedia:Wikiproject awards. The design is not well supported, and right before I was going to archive the debate for lack of support, someone else moved it to the Wikiproject awards page.

The current discussion is going on here: Wikipedia:Barnstar_and_award_proposals/New_Proposals#Another_image. Your input is appreciated. --evrik 10:47, 18 August 2006 (UTC)


Hi - I've removed the pui tag from this Image because the uploader has licenesed it - I've been assisting him/her in getting the idea of using wikipedia. I've also left a message on the Image page explaining. Thanks Martinp23 15:26, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok, because I am still awaiting an email from their office about the image, but I do not see it happen User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 01:11, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


Hi, Thanks for answering here so fast. Now, if it's not an abuse of your willingness from my part, could you help me with this case? --Abu Badali 07:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I got classes, so probably not now. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 13:41, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


Any advances? Some people seem to think the debate were over... the template's claim is still completely unsourced. What's your take on this? Lupo 08:41, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I could not find anything other than student papers or law opinions that were already stated. I think that we should still go with what has been confirmed so far by law, make that into a template like {{PD-USSR-confirmed}} and tag known images with it, so we can see what scope we are under. I know I probably uploaded pictures using that above license that should be tossed, so if you think they are not PD-USSR, just go ahead and let me know what needs to be tossed. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 13:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


Just thought i'd drop you a line... :)Courtney Akins 03:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Hello :). I also dropped you a line too. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:02, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok so you piqued my interest . . . What are these "problems concerning young users" you all have been having?Courtney Akins 03:05, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Some administrators and other users have a problem with young users in general for reasons out of either fear or safety. Given how a good portion of admins have children or younger brothers or sisters, they probably have a higher awareness than I do (as a single, male, Wikipedian with no children running around). Some have been concerned about the actions the young users are doing, such as hooking-up with older people or talking about sexual subjects. Given how we cannot verify a user's age, we could be watching a crime in progress. This second concern bothers me the most, since this is the same kind of issues that got MySpace into a lot of trouble and caused a complete overhaul of that website. Here, given how much attention we got in the last year, could cause similar issues and perhaps more overhauls to WP. While I would not mind answering questions to the police if this does happen, but just the thought of doing that not only worries me, but I am worried about how WP will look after it. Plus, on a personal note, I am known at my college for being the Wikipedia-admin, and I feel kinda ashamed when I see people "Hey, look at what is going on at Lolicon!" or "Watch out for them pedos!" I got that a lot when I was in the Scouts, and I do not want this merry-go-round again. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:23, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Theta Beta Potata PUNK HOUSE Deletion Review[edit]

Theta Beta Potata[edit]

This article was first started by me and was deleted back in May '06. I was reading the punk house article and saw that the link for the TBP article was no longer red so I clicked on it and there was an article back up, started by another user. I dont know who started it because, it was deleted soon after I saw it. The decision made in the "Article for Deletion" debate should be reconsidered. The article is about a punk house not a fratenal organization. It seems that the debate, run by User:ChrisB and results were reported by User:Mailer Diablo. I will post this on their talk pages. This is the first time I have requested a deletion review so please let me know what else I need to do. If there is anything. I am on wikipedia frequently and I want to learn. Thanks. Xsxex 16:28, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

You done everything correctly. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:56, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


"Neologism", not "neoglism". DS 01:31, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Duly noted. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:46, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Nah nah nah...[edit]

We need a batman barnstar.--Crossmr 05:38, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

O rly! :D User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:01, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:Yushchenko awarding 2005.jpg[edit]

I don't think this image does not fit in any of the sections... Under which of them you meant when you uploaded it? bogdan 11:14, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

It was meant to just be where it is at now, the lead photo. Unless you think there is something wrong with it, I would like to keep the photo there. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 18:40, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
No, I meant the license. bogdan 18:43, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Oh, that. Just delete it, since when I was working on the article, me and the other editors uploaded the photos under that license from the website of the Ukraine President. Something was said on the Commons about it being not PD, so just go ahead and whack it. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 18:48, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: User:! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! LOL SNRUBBED FOO' - Query[edit]

Hi Zscout370. I wonder if you could help me? Sometime back on wikipedia, I am not sure if you remember or not, we had the Slobodan Milosevic vandal... the pattern of how that vandal used to vandalise a page is extremely similar to the way User.!!!!! (etc, and the rest of it) set up his talk page. The picture of Hitler, interspersed with obscene messages, and a picture of genitalia. The caption on the hitler pic was done the same way as the caption on the image of Slobodan, and the page was laid out in a similar manner. Is there anyway to check that a user / account may be a sockpuppet of another previous user?

I am sure the possibility exists that this one may have come back to exact his revenge on WP. The Slobodan Milosevic vandal was banned from Wikipedia and Simple.Wikipedia back around the time Slobodan Milosevic died. I will get a date for you, but could this theory be checked by an admin / sysop or someone with checkuser, please? Thor Malmjursson 11:21, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I would not worry about it, honestly, since Slobodan died months ago, and IIRC, Checkuser evidence that old might not work. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 18:42, 26 August 2006 (UTC)


whats up hon? yeah i think you have a point about the radio article... I should just refine it and add it to the WOCL article, and perhaps spruce up that article as well...

anyway, good to hear from you! And I see you know that User:Publicgirluk. I really love what she's doing -- she's sooo hot! Do you think I should do the same thing? I have TONS of pics that my bf took :)Courtney Akins 22:14, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Courtney, that is your decision about the photos, but just make sure you read Wikipedia:Uploading_images. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 23:22, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Png question[edit]

Hi Zscout370, I saw that you created a number of files in png format, and wanted to ask your help to create a few more. The task is to generate two png files portraying the # of students in Ukraine studying Ukrainian, Russian and a slate of other languages. I have the exact numbers and percentages with verifiable/authoritative sources. My problem is lack of expertise in the png area. If you have the time and are willing, it would be great if you could help with this. Here is an example of a png file that will give you an idea of what I have in mind: Image:English dialects1997.png

To name a couple, the png images would be of great benefit on Ukrainian language and Ukrainization articles.--Riurik 00:54, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I'll make them in SVG, so if the data needs to be updated, it can be done easily. Let me know about the data that needs to be used. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 01:06, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
You know best. Thanks for the quick response. Here is the data:
Table 1: Would show percentages or numbers of students studying in Ukrainian, Russian, and Other languages. Due to "other" category being less than 1%, a second table with a language breakdown for "other" would have to be made.
Ukrainian 4,500,000 (Ukrainian 67.55%) Russian 2,100,000 (Russian 31.52%) Others 60,900 (Others .92%)
Table 2: Would show percentages or numbers (probably #?) for Romanian 27,000; Hungarian 20,000; Moldovan 6,500; Crimean-Tatar 6,000; and Polish 1,400
The Total # of students is 6,660,900 (UA/RU/Rom/Hun/Mol/CrTatar/Pol)
3 Sources:
Ministry of Education and Science of Ukraine

US State Department (Human Rights report which in the end relied on the Minister of Education and Science)

Annual Report of the Ukrainian Parliament Commissioner for Human Rights “On the situation with observance and protection of human rights and freedoms in Ukraine” for the period from April 14, 1998 till December 31, 1999"

The above might be confusing (my fault), if so let me know. --Riurik 01:53, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Gimmie about a week or two, since I am trying to sort out school stuff now. Thanks again. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 01:58, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Take your time, school first then everything else; that's my policy, too. Best regards, --Riurik 02:04, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

TV Star ribbon[edit]

Could I have a ribbon made for the TV Star? I created the concept and want a matching ribbon for it. I'm also wanting the Poke Barnstar in ribbon form, as well as the Barnstar Star. TrackerTV (CW|Castform|Green Valley) 05:24, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I'll draw them, but as with the above posting, give me time please. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 05:25, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Courtney Atkins[edit]

I'm not too fussed, to be honest. I've made a suggestion which is along your lines. I have sent another email marked "test" and would be grateful if you could let me know if it's got through. Presumably your current email address is the one you are registered with? Thanks. Tyrenius 21:47, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I think something is up with Hotmail, so I want you to email me to (hidden text) . Tell me your so I can figure out if the domain or something has been on Hotmails blacklist. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 00:46, 28 August 2006 (UTC)


Could you keep an eye on this user and his supposed work gallery for me? I recently posted on his talk page about some Images I found on this page which were in violation with our fair use policy, and since he's been warned about this before, I was wondering if an admin could watch out for this instead. Thanks! — The Future 00:26, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I'll watch. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 00:46, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks! — The Future 00:48, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Courtney redux[edit]

Thanks for unblocking me! Now we can get to work on some articles. Plus this "Tyrenius" is making snide comments, can you tell him to "AGF" or anything hon?Courtney Akins 03:14, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

My comments on Courtney's page are as follows:

You narrowly escaped an indef block. You have a chance to make sound edits to show your good faith. Instead you choose to participate in the most sensitive area currently on wiki, where there has been a lot of upset.[4][5] Your comments can only serve to inflame the wound. This is an extremely bad move on your part. If you go near that debate again, wherever it's taking place, I will block you. I will let Lar deal with anything else. If you want to take proper advantage of the community's good faith, you have the opportunity to make sensible contributions to edits. If you feel people are ganging up on you,[6] it's because you're annoying people, as soon as you get the chance. It's your choice.

GT immediately reverted one of her edits.

Tyrenius 03:36, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Courtney, the comment was not snide, since I think the community really wants to give you another chance. Just look at your talk page and read the wrotes that myself and Lar wrote and keep those in mind, please, for your sake. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 05:23, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Zscout! If I call you hon, might you be willing to tell sweetie to AAGF? Cutie Bishonen | talk 08:25, 30 August 2006 (UTC).

Umm...*blush*..sure. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 13:28, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Ok thanks for the heads up and advice! I'm going through a Tropical Storm right now actually... Don't worry about me, I think I'll add to the WOCL article if I get time.Courtney Akins 19:01, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Inaccurate edit[edit]

Unfortunately one of Courtney's edits has just been shown to be a little inaccurate.[7][8] Tyrenius 22:03, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

No its not inaccurate. This user claimed he "slogged" through 40 pages of the novel and couldn't find what I was talking about. Well, the novel is about 350 pages, so based on this skimming (you do the math) he claims knowledge of the totality of the work eh?
Well i just read the entire novel myself and its in there. Its in the part about the debauched monks around the middle of the novel.Courtney Akins 03:55, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Could you please cite the page number(s) and the exact text that says this. Thanks. Tyrenius 04:06, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Do what Tyrenius says and you will be fine. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:44, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Could you e-mail me?[edit]

Could you e-mail me? I tried to use the e-mail function, but for some reason it said I haven't verified an e-mail address yet (but I did). E-mail me at (hidden) — The Future 23:56, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Email sent. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 01:15, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Reply sent, and thanks for getting back to me. :) — The Future 02:35, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

National flag template and colors[edit]

Okay, now, why do you need to have the two ways to spell color added to this template? It seems like an extra step. Go with color and be done with it, IMO, though I will still get to it, if it is really necessary. - LA @ 07:53, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, I switched it to colour now, but take your time with this one: it is not used all over the place so if something happens, less than 5 pages are even using this. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 14:06, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Scouting Barnstar[edit]

The Scouting Barnstar

- A hearty thank you for your steadfast, tireless, and quality contributions to Scouting articles over a very long time. You are also welcome to join the Scouting WikiProjectRlevse 01:12, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Woot, another merit badge for the sash :). User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:24, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

nobel prize image[edit]

I could use some assistance at Image_talk:Nobel_medal_dsc06171.jpg. I'm going to run into a brick wall as I cannot seem to convince someone that just because the Nobel foundation's copyright page says permission in writing is required for use of the image of the nobel prize doesn't prevent wikipedia from using it in certain ways under fair use. In essence, denying fair use if it is copyrighted, which, in my is utter nonsense. There's questions of the image actually being free, but being protected by trademark too, but helping resolve it to proper fair use would be helpful. --Kevin_b_er 10:12, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Me thinks that the image can stay, but we should follow the suggestions of the Nobel foundation and also reduce the size of the image itself. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 18:36, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Ah! My Goddess[edit]

Ok here is your reminder I prompt you about lyrics for the songs variety album volcals. :) --Cat out 02:25, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

10-4. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 02:26, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Unblocking of A Link To The Past[edit]

Hi. Why did you unblock this user without consulting with me first? I was online at the time (one of the first things he did when unblocked was come to my page to continue his tirade, so I know I was online).

Did you not see his references to admins as vandals and his use of bad language? My warning to him that if he didn't debate in a civil manner as everybody else whatever their feelings on the matter in hand were able to do he would get a 24 hour block? His immediate ranting and raving response to that on my user talk?

I'm only "involved" in as much as I went over there as an admin to see what the fuss was all about, and I saw a page which had been moved with faux consensus, incivil behaviour and a deadlock. I had no prior involvement in that page and frankly don't really care about bowsers of any description.

The point though is that by unblocking without consulting me and by adding to the block log some statement that my block was incorrect you've disparaged me. Would it really have been too difficult to come ask me first? --kingboyk 09:04, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

I looked at the edits and while he sounded a bit pissed off, it did not warrant a full 24 hour block. Plus, he was on IRC complaining about the block, and I was only the available admin to perform the request. Yes, I should have spoken to you about it, and I do apologize for that. But, what I can suggest is maybe having someone else apply the block, or I will do the block myself. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 09:06, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
OK, that's fair enough. Thanks for the prompt reply. If there's any more trouble in this case I'll come to you. I've actually just asked User:Kirill Lokshin to look at the underlying issue (the page naming) so that I can take a step back from it, but if you have any thoughts on that issue please feel free to share them. Cheers. --kingboyk 09:13, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
As for the naming issues, I do not know enough about CVG's to make a decent statement, though I did do the Bowser move last year (due to me not knowing the Aussie/NZ term for it.) I hate to deal with brackets and stuff, but I will not move it again, merge or anything. Plus, I worked with Kirill off and on before, he is a good guy, so I think he can sort this out too with ease. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 19:11, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
I hope so. Kirill's one of our best admins, no doubt about it, but unfortunately he hasn't replied yet. There's no let off from this A Talk From A Past guy (see latest post on my talk). --kingboyk 20:31, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Courtney's RfA[edit]

Hi ZScout, I see you deleted Courtney Akins' RfA. Could I ask you to undelete it, close it and add Courtney to the list of unsuccessful RfA candidates? This is the usual procedure for unsuccessful RfAs, and I don't see extenuating circumstances here. I know I have a clear stake in this, but any future RfA should be able to refer to the earlier failed one: this is true for all candidates. Thanks, Gwernol 12:13, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

No. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 18:02, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Good morning, bonjour, I just wanted to say hello. Since you're such a nice gentleman. This is the "lazy day" me btw. Image:Courtx0003.jpg.Courtney Akins 14:59, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Morning. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 18:02, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Why don't I get nice gifts like this? :( --kingboyk 18:25, 3 September 2006 (UTC)


Could you move Holidays in Chad to Public holidays in Chad for me? The majority of article that have the "holiday" title say Public holidays in NAME, not Holidays in NAME. If you could do this for me, it would be most appriciated. — The Future 21:26, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Fixed. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 21:28, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
*sigh* I found one more that needs a conversions that I can't do: Holidays in Romania --> Public holidays in Romania. If you need an explanation to why I'm doing all this is because there was about 5 different formats being used to name these pages: List of holidays in NAME, Events in NAME, and various others and considering I'm trying to expand them all to thier full potential, I need these to be consistant. Thanks again, hope I'm not being bothersome. :) — The Future 22:05, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
You're not being bothersome, you're giving me some work. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:12, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Terrorism to Political violence, herding cats[edit]

I am messaging you because you were the user who suggested Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Israeli terrorism be renamed from:

Zionist terrorism


Violence committed by Israel

In the case of Allegations_of_state_terrorism_by_United_States_of_America, is there anyway to avoid a VfD and still get a title change? Any suggestions?

How did you all do it, how did you "herd cats" and get a consensus to change Zionist terrorism was changed to Zionist political violence?

No matter what I try:

  1. Those on the left refuse to drop the word, figuring it is pandering to the right, and
  2. Those on the right want to keep the word, because they can then be more rigid about what stays in the article and what is deleted.

Any suggestion about how to herd these cats?

I also wrote a plea here, on the Zionist_political_violence page: Talk:Zionist_political_violence#I_write_this_comment_out_of_sheer_desperation:_want_to_change_a_terrorism_title

Travb (talk) 16:16, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

What you need to do is perform a poll for a request to move the title, and do whatever the poll says. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 21:05, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thanks for the advice, we are doing a poll, but no one wants to change the name. sigh. Oh well. Back to herding cats. Best wishes.Travb (talk) 21:57, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Soviet copyright: 1991 Fundamentals[edit]

Hi Zach,

sorry for the somewhat late reply; I only saw your message now. I don't think we need to consider the 1991 modifications to the old Soviet civil code. The Supreme Court of the Russian Federation has very clearly decided (on June 19, 2006; what a coincidence!) that the 1993 law was retroactive and even restored the copyright on works on which the old 25-year copyright from the old Soviet code had elapsed. See point 34 of the linked decision. Hence the 1991 Fundamentals have no significance. Just in case you're still interested: excerpts from the old Soviet civil code of 1991 (accepted by the Supreme Soviet of the USSR on May 31, 1991) are available here; it was superseded by the 1993 law: see §10 of the 1993 implementation act (No. 5352-1). (All external links in Russian, sorry.) Lupo 14:16, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

it's alright. As for the links being in Russian, it's ok, at least we know now what we are dealing with here. My question still is this: under most treaties the USSR has signed in the past, the Russian Federation has honored the agreements of the USSR. Would still the copyright works of the former Soviet Union will be under Russian law or will all CIS nations laws' apply? I have some materials that would be Public Domain, in lets say, most of the former republics, but maybe not in Gerogia. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 23:22, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
Well, that's the big question, isn't it? According to what Soufron once told me in a private e-mail, we should consider Soviet works to have been simultaneously published because all the CIS nations honored treaties concluded by the USSR and were thus, after the demise of the Soviet Union, considered UCC members as of May 27, 1973. I don't want to second-guess Soufron, and I am ready to go along with that, but I'm not completely convinced. (I'm basically accepting Soufron as a higher authority on that point, but I don't completely understand the precise and full reasoning behind it.) If we considered only Russia as a successor of the USSR in terms of copyright, we could say use a template like the lower part of commons:Template:PD-Soviet-revised, but with an additional footnote specifiying that a Soviet work might be PD in the U.S. only if 1954 was replaced by 1946 (URAA date 1996 - 50 years), or 1942 for works of WWII veterans. But as I said elsewhere, I'm reluctant to do so because I don't know what to do with the "simultaneous publication" bit... Let's wait a little and see what people at the commons do. They seem to be inclined to use commons:Template:PD-Russia, which I'll amend right now. Lupo 07:50, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Early Conceptions of the Channel Tunnel[edit]

Let's talk about this offline. Or just remind me what the name of the tool is to run the test? I saw you hid this away temporarily, checked Courtney's page and speculated about why, and Courtney came to my page, not very happy (and with some justification, you might have wanted to drop Courtney a note). You may still want to do that. I also mentioned it on the article's talk page. ++Lar: t/c 18:24, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Pretty much, what happened was that I was notified about this offline, so I ran it through copyscape. I found something, so I made the page a redirect. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 23:23, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

There is absolutely NO WAY you could have "found something," for what I wrote was MINE! Just what was that "something" anyway? If you dare to tell? Good night.Courtney Akins 01:44, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

The copyright violations were brought up off-Wikipedia, so I took action here. The page is still there, all you have to do is just revert me. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 01:50, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I guarantee you there are no copyright violations! If i was just f@#king around I wouldn't be so persistent, but since I did write this myself last night, I stand my ground. Either you produce the lines you assert are violations, along with the original texts, or you stop asserting them as such and please apologize. This is the FIRST article about any sort of 'serious' topic I wrote and you treating me like this is hurtful!Courtney Akins 01:53, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok I just reverted it to the original. There are no "copyvios" as you call them. If you think there are, please tell me what they are in specificity. But I guarantee there is NO CHANCE of that.Courtney Akins 01:56, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Free-use flags[edit]

Thanks for drawing free-use flags like Image:Flag of Ceylon.svg... it's great. If you want more tasks, you could create svg versions of Image:Flag of Cape Verde 1975.png, Image:Flag of Bulgaria 1946-1967.gif and Image:Flag of the Talysh-Mughan Republic.png. Thanks, Punkmorten 21:32, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Gimmie some time, please. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 23:23, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
No problem. They have been deleted now, but if you need the images just ask. Punkmorten 07:10, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
I can always check the history and get the images. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 13:27, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

User:Cool Cat/Awards (Detailed)[edit]

Hmm, I actualy need a ribbon for the "Order of the Upholder of Wiki" thing. :) --Cat out 22:02, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I got an idea for that, but it will take me a while to figgure out. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 23:24, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Flag infobox[edit]

I see that in the flag infobox you were having trouble applying "colour" instead of "color" to some articles with this infobox. Do you mind if I help apply this change for you? Perhaps it involves creating a new template or replacing existing templates in certain articles. PoccilScript 00:54, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Go right ahead, let me know when you finished and thanks a bunch. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 00:56, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
I've come up with a solution. I split the infobox into two versions (US spelling, UK spelling). I've also modified the regular infobox to make it neutral to spelling. The US infobox should be used for flags of the US and its states; the UK infobox for flags of Commonwealth territories; and the neutral infobox for all other flags. Perhaps you can help me find a spelling-neutral alternative for "color" as well. PoccilScript 01:18, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
I pasted a suggestion on the talk page of the infobox; just remove the color section and make it a "elements" section where I can describe breifly the elements, including colors. The detail of the colors, such as Pantone shades, can be discussed in the article. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 01:23, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
I've finished the change. It's good to see we came up with an excellent solution. (I had accidentally logged in as my script account, please forgive me.) Peter O. (Talk) 01:32, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks again and no problem, I made that mistake before with my former script, Zbot370. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 01:34, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for looking into my post on AN/I[edit]

Hi Zach. Long time no see. Nice to interact again. Thank you for looking into my request on the Noticeboard. I really appreciate it. Cheers, Redux 02:52, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Your quite welcome friend. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:03, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Ribbons and Service star[edit]

Do you think you can create a series of Service star to be placed infront of the ribbons? Something like: User talk:Cool Cat/Legend... (tho the syntax there is bad since "gold" should be most expensive). Doing them one by one seems to be problematic. --Cat out 04:36, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Davkal's talkpage[edit]

Hiya, Zzzzzzz! I unprotected Davkal's talkpage, since I had told him he could remove those warnings and stuff. Please see the note now at the top of the page for my rationale. Best, Bishonen | talk 09:59, 10 September 2006 (UTC).

Ok. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 18:34, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

User:Cute 1 4 u/About Me[edit]

Hi. I noticed that you deleted this user subpage. Did it even pass mfd? I only saw one reply on my mfd nomination. I think that the page was prematurely deleted.--Edtalk c E 16:06, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

It was tagged for a speedy deletion, so I looked at the page and decided that it could be speedied. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 18:33, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Heraldry and vexillology[edit]

I see you are interested in flags and emblems and would like to inform you that the WikiProject Heraldry and vexillology has just been created. Why not take a look? I hope you can join.Inge 00:57, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't know, but if you have any flag questions, please come and see me and I will try and help. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:40, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Diane Kunz[edit]

I've asked for a deletion review of your action in deleting this article. I don't necessarily fault you, as it probably looked like a near-unanimous "vote", but a lot of things got fouled up to produce this. --Michael Snow 17:51, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

The deleted page protection template was not my idea, and honestly, I have no idea why that was even needed. This was the first time it was deleted, so the protection was not needed at all. I'll restore it now. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:58, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for reconsidering this one. --Michael Snow 23:42, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I recently stumbled across this article and had to search through the edit history to find the link to the AfD discussion. I only found the brief DRV through your contributions. Would you mind posting a brief summary or link to those discussions on the Talk page? Thanks! -AED 07:21, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

  • Thanks! -AED 23:09, 15 September 2006 (UTC)


Hoi, Zscout: I'm working on a Medici Bank article for Danny's contest (you can see my working draft here), and I've painstakingly compiled my information on the hierarchy and organization of the bank such that it could form a rather nice and understandable diagram or picture where the equivalent prose would be involute and difficult to understand. Since you're the user I know best who deals in images, do you know of anyone who might be nice enough to create a SVG diagram? (I tried to roll my own in Inkscape, but it came out miserably.) Thanks. -- Gwern (contribs) 16:58, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Flag of Canada National flag infobox[edit]

You cannot have a tricolour with only two colours. The Canadian flag has three pales, but is not a tricolour. It is blazoned "gules on a Canadian pale argent a maple leaf of the first," but that might be a little technical for the infobox. Still, the word "tricolour" has to come off. I'll let you deal with how, though.  OzLawyer / talk  20:21, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I had the blazon listed later in the article on the technical specs, but I just changed it to bicolour. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 20:30, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Bonne matinée[edit]

How are the service stars comeing up? :)

Also you still need to email me the mp3 and ogg.

--Cat out 06:38, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Sending email now. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 13:40, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

PDF link[edit]

Hi Zach.

Did you believe the PDF link on Belarus was irrelevant to the article? The webpage is still active but somebody erased the actual link a few days ago. For obvious reasons, I don't like editing this page myself. Cheers. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 07:10, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Someone else removed the PDF link, and left a lot of the coding behind, so I just went ahead and cleaned it up myself. I tried to look at the link, but I just didn't get it. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 13:37, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Scratch that, the website was on the Meta spam list, so it had to be removed in order to edit. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 13:44, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Flag request[edit]

Hi Zach, I see that you created many of the flags used in Wikipedia. I created this one but it seem blurry and not very clear (probably because I used Microsoft Paint to create it). Would you please be able to assist in creating a better looking one?

The description is as follows: Flag: A rectangular flag, proportion 2:3, consisting of three horizontal stripes of equal width, from top to bottom, orange, white and blue, and at the hoist a vertical green stripe one and one quarter the width of each of the other three stripes.

Regards -Gemsbok1 16:11, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you Zach. -Gemsbok1 12:51, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Another flag request[edit]

Hi! As with the person above, I was wondering if you had time to create an image of the Manhattan Flag. Description: [9]. If not, could you suggest others who might be able to? Thanks! --Schwael 18:07, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Protecting children's privacy[edit]

Hi. You contributed to the discussion at Wikipedia:Protecting children's privacy. If you have the time and interest, I'm asking contributors to past a brief summary of their position on the proposal here, thanks. Herostratus 20:16, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for looking into this. Please take a look at the deprecated version with instructions for cleanup. This was what was being reverted. Do you have any concerns about going forward with this? Jkelly 18:50, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm moving forward with my own clean-up process. First, I am whacking the obvious, such as [10]. Then, if there are flag images under this license, I will do my best and re-create the flags. Then, with other state symbolics, I will check the copyright laws of the former Republics to see if their symbols are PD (which most of them are from what I found). I would also begin to shoot the orphans. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 19:08, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Well, in that case, please let me know how I can help out. Jkelly 19:14, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
If the work was created during the Russian Revolution of 1917, that is automatically PD, so tag it as PD-OLD. If you run intro my images, let me know, since I will most likely delete those. I would also send emails to the websites that have photos of Soviet decorations and see if we could use those under a free license. Thanks for your willingness to help. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 19:17, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't get it[edit]

I couldn't be trusted to finish the job? --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 03:50, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

It is not that I do not trust you, around the time I found the copyright issues, a deletion was not made yet. I just went ahead and did it. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:26, 23 September 2006 (UTC)


why on earth did you delete this page?Gordonjay 06:05, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Speedy delete candidate. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 19:50, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Melissa Ashley (porn star)[edit]

What happened to this article? 16:53, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

  • ==Melissa Ashley (porn star) on deletion review==

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Melissa Ashley (porn star). Since you closed the deletion discussion for (or speedy-deleted) this article, your reasons on how or why you did so will be greatly appreciated in the above review. 17:00, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

I did not do the current deletion, User:Centrx did. My deletions took place in 2005 when personal information about the pornstar was being added, so I had to delete then restore the non-ofending edits. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 19:51, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Red Alert on Purple Heart[edit]

May have an issue over there with an anon ip address blanking the section on denial examples. Source was given, anon ip contacted to explaint hsi, but went right back and blanked the section as original reserch. Bears watching. -Husnock 22:20, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

This guy is back. He seems to not understand that the article does not have to mirror exactly Army regs and is blanking the denial exmaples to replace it with a list cut and pasted from the Army Purple Heart regulation. I left a message on the user's talk page but this is the third time he/she has put this info in. Also a wierd entry on my talk page where the entire Purple Heart article was pasted in. Hmmm. Maybe set Yellow Alert for now. -Husnock 19:10, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Still watching it, but I reverted a few times myself. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 23:07, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

South Tyrol[edit]

Need your help with much debate that has been going on regarding the movement of names to "South Tyrol". A few of us are trying to get things restored to a proper name. South Tyrol should be Bolzano, and Trentino-South Tyrol should be Trentino-Alto Adige. We need your comments to help! and Thanks! Rarelibra 19:50, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

If you think the new names are more correct, go ahead and move them. Once you decided on a move, but needed admins to help the process, come and see me again. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 21:51, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


Thou has angered me greatly, and thou shall suffer and perish in the flames like Yanksox. Love, JoeUly.

I blocked this user for making threats. Appears to be one of many sockpuppets to a troll who haws made real-world threats against Wikipedia users. -Husnock 01:16, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
That is why I blocked this guy in the first place (I knew about the block in school, but thanks for the hard work). User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:04, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Credit on the BBC[edit]

Did you see the BBC News gave you a picture credit? Edward 10:53, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Now that's pretty cool. --Gwern (contribs) 16:26, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
I saw this morning, this is the high-light of my life! :) Thanks a lot for poiting this out and the messages yall are leaving. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 18:34, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Indeed; who'd have thought a hat would get you on the BBC? :) Ral315 (talk) 19:22, 6 October 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for the comment Zach! Even though the Lesotho gov't has ok'ed this new flag, is it being used IRL yet, like in printed reference books, in embassies, and outside the UN and Commonwealth HQs? It seems that the reference books has and the CIA Factbook still have the old flag. - Thanks, Hoshie 09:47, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

There was a photo taken in Lesotho (sent to me by a buddy in Croatia) of the new flag on the 4th or 5th of October, so it is being used in Lesotho now. The CIA takes forever to change their flags and is our mirror, so they will catch up pretty soon. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 18:04, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
It appears the CIA has updated their Lesotho profile with the new flag. While the spooks have added it, the colors are as always, a bit off. See it here. As an aside, they also added the Christmas Island (Aus.) flag, which came up on FOTW last spring. It's here. - Thanks, Hoshie 11:17, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Working Man's Barnstar and Barnstar of Diligence[edit]

Hi! evrik suggested I contact you since you're associated with WikiProject Awards. After some discussion about changing the name of the "Working Man's Barnstar" to something gender inclusive, we realized that there is not much distinction between "Working Man's Barnstar" and the "Barnstar of Diligence". In order to avoid an overly-PC rename of "Working Man's", and given that there's not much difference between the two anyway, I thought it'd be best to conflate the two awards and have only "The Barnstar of Diligence." Your opinion on the matter would be much appreciated! The discussion can be found here. Cheers! -- Merope Talk 17:44, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Responded. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 21:19, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Rodger Koopman[edit]

Rodger Koopman moved his article back into mainspace. ---J.S (t|c) 20:19, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

It was done in August, but either way, I deleted it anyways as a spam (he is running for office, not in office). User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 21:31, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I noticed it on my random article patrol. I sent a note about the spam to one of the papers in that area. Maybe it will make it to an editorial column or something. ---J.S (t|c) 16:33, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Brezhnev_1942.jpg[edit]

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Was PD-USSR, then changed to PD-Russia by another user. Regardless, the photo was tagged with {{NowCommonsThis}} and I deleted it. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 07:45, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Mexican flag and corbata[edit]

Thanks for your comments Zach! I appreciate it a lot. I learned days ago that since SVG files are vector, it is easy to resize them and not to lose quality... when I remembered that, I felt soooo stupid, hehehe. So I think the current image size is ok, but the little problem I want to solve is the Coat of Arms being slightly charged to the right. I was unable to download the InkScape (or something...) software in order to edit SVG files. Perhaps I should buy Adobe Illustrator since the use of SVG files is increasing in Wikipedia. By the way, I also created a prototipe table in the article Flag of Mexico. What do you think? The table seems so long to me. AlexCovarrubias 18:55, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

The arms is centered on a test image I am doing, and the others who tried to center the image have tried to correct the current SVG image. You do not need to buy Illustrator if you do not need to. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 21:35, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:STK15460.jpg[edit]

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Nuked. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 13:36, 18 October 2006 (UTC)


'Sup man. If you don't remember, I'm the guy you posted about in the admin investigation article. So now that you're an admin, you okay with the Sandbox stuff? Trueblue9999 14:26, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I do not watch it anymore, since I have bigger fish to fry. I am sure others are watching the box, though. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 17:47, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Not acceptable[edit]

I take your point about the motto, and I will investigate it further.

However, your stance with regard to the photos is not acceptable. It was not I who posted either of the photos, but the Lenin one is very relevant because Belarus is a country which still maintains an almost-Soviet regime, and the Victory Square image has been here for donkeys years: it is great, and shows what a wonderful country Belarus is.

If you have a problem with either of the photos, bring it up on the Page's discussion. Otherwise, you are vandalising the page by replacing these two well-established photographs with your own completely unflattering one.

Vandalism is where I stick a penis on the article; what we are having is a content dispute. I was the one who put Lukashenko's photo on the article, but I still do not see how Lenin's photo is relevant to the article. Though I do agree the government is semi-Soviet in style, we have pointed that out in text (I believe there were other photos of Lenin placed on the article, but removed by others). User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 23:05, 21 October 2006 (UTC)


Hi Zscout370!

Sorry about my snapping earlier (i.e. vandalism) - I felt a bit cross that other viewers hadn't been consulted in Talk before deletion of content.

I think I've found a compromise. Your image was basically the Lenin image at a different angle, so I've replaced the latter with it. I have reinstated the Victory Square image.

Let me know what you think!

All the best,


Ps: No - not Jpgordon - sorry. Pasted the vandalism notice in and forgot to change it. ;->

Rob, this works. I launched an email to the Belarus Embassy in the US about the motto. I know that Lukashenko used slogans before, but I do not believe this is the state motto (yet). User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 23:17, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Flags and trademarks[edit]

Hi Zscout370. Thanks for the acknowledgment of my work on flags. The main driving force for me is to see my work being put to good use all over the various Wikimedia projects over time!

However, I would like to bring to your attention something that might threaten our work on flags. For details, read the discussion here. Are you aware of any official policy or statement regarding this issue? There seem to be several different standards implemented by different admins: One extreme being that of Bastique's (all flag/insignia images are PD) and the other that of Durin's (all flag/insignia images are protected by trademarks/copyright). What's your position? --Himasaram 14:17, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I go by national laws as much as I can. Some of the flags that I draw, such as Russian, Belarusian, Georgian (the republic) or Ukrainian, they are PD upon adoption, since national symbols are public domain. But for Canadian flags, American flags or others, it's a hit or miss. I drew some Canadian city flags, but some of them on the Commons were being told to be taken down due to copyvios, though I drew them myself. Not sure about the US City flags, since I just grab images from (they give us permission to use their png files). But if I still draw a flag on my own, I put it under a free license until I hear otherwise. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 16:57, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Fair use of Images[edit]

You seem to know something about images. I do not. I saw your post at [11] and edited there, spelling out similar images by the same user which have been uploaded here onto Wikipedia. Terryeo 03:55, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I will look later. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 05:34, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Fair use images in lists[edit]

Hello, I see you have contributed your thoughts to Wikipedia talk:Fair use/Fair use images in lists. It's been dead for a while, but I have archived it and taken a new fresh start. I hope this time we will be able to achieve something as I have summarized the main points of both sides (feel free to improve them) and I call you to express your support or oppose on the concrete proposal that I have formulated. Thanks, Renata 02:20, 28 October 2006 (UTC)


Hola Zach:

I remember I have seen somewhere a yellow template that says something like "there is an user currently working on this article [...]", which main prupouse is to let others know some work is going on and prevent editing conflicts. I have been expanding the article of the city of Monterrey a lot, adding pictures, info and maps and I've had this problem. Can you help me out? I need to find out what template that is, I was unable to find it. ¡Muchas gracias por tu ayuda! AlexCovarrubias 11:27, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

{{inuse}}? --Gwern (contribs) 14:53, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Yes, inuse is it. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 17:38, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. I have another quick question. Do you know how to modify your signature? I have seen some signatures with colors and little images. I'd like to make signature that looks like this:

AlexCovarrubias Flag of Mexico.svg ( Let's talk! ) 00:00, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

I mean, I know how to produce it, I'd just like to make it happen automatically. Well, thanks for you help in advance. AlexCovarrubias 12:19, 1 November 2006 (UTC)


Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar.png The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
For your incredible work with the ribbons. Good job! Sharkface217 23:31, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Ribbon Numeral[edit]

Will you be able to create ribbons with numbers on them anytime in the future? I am starting to rack up a few of the same type of barnstar.

Sharkface217 00:15, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
I will create the ribbons, but Cool Cat is taking care of the numbering. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:24, 1 November 2006 (UTC)


Hello there. I have some more articles for you to check up:

My username is User:Vedant_lath.

Oh, and email me if you want to contact me. I rarely login in Wikipedia. 08:32, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Kirloskar is clean, from what I can find, need to check the other two. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 17:38, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
IISCO is clean, Essel was a copyvio. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 17:43, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
It's hard for believe that IISCO is indeed clean. Thanks for checking the articles. Keep up the good work! 16:36, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
St Paul's School, Rourkela is a copyvio from the site 16:49, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Your utilising the "block" button[edit]

Hey Zscout370! I noticed that you indefinitely blocked a user for soliciting users for votes on a WikiProject Australia COTF (I was one of the users spammed). It seems rather extreme and inappropriate given the circumstances. He was previously blocked for spamming barnstars, and you indefinitely blocked him without warning for spamming votes on a COTF. I assume this was just a mistake, so I'll ask you to lift the block and rather explain to the user why spamming votes goes against one of our core ideals (consensus). Thanks in advance! hoopydinkConas tá tú? 06:06, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I'll do it in 24 hours. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:10, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Image:Barnstar of Humour3.png[edit]

Mind ribbonifying? --Cat out 09:44, 5 November 2006 (UTC)


OK, I would not put any personal info of myself but there are others who have put personal information of themselves and they are under 13. --Ujjwal Krishna 11:09, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I know there are Ujjwal, but the reason why I altered yours was because it was brought to my attention. Plus, the CHILD policy is brand new and going through some dispute resolution. Thanks for cooperating. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 17:51, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
The CHILD policy is also not a policy as it has not been accepted, so should things really be deleted based on a proposal? --Rory096 16:58, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
I looked at the page, I looked at how CHILD was worded. Using my descretion, I decided that this is too much information posted about a person who is aged 10. I have used this before once when I had to delete a page about a gal who is only 11, from New Zealand, who pretty much listed her school, schedule, name and other information. Also, this is not the first time, nor last, that anyone used a proposal to make stuff happen, such as RBI and DENY. However, I feel CHILD is important, since I kinda do not want a blood of a child on my hands because of my inaction. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:04, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

That is perfectly fine then. But I really did not get the "blood of a child in my hands" part. --Ujjwal Krishna 04:58, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, if a child dies due to my inaction, I would feel guilty as if I pulled the trigger or held that person down. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 17:35, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Your block of User:Sharkface217[edit]

Don't you think an indef block is a little bit harsh? I understand that he shouldn't be spamming talk pages, but to me he seems to mean well and has been a productive editor. Please consider reducing this block. Thanks. - Mike | Talk 13:48, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Just noticed your not above, seems reasonable. Thanks :-). - Mike | Talk 13:56, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Lifted now. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 17:58, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Rollback Question[edit]

Forgive the newbie question, but on another page you mentioned the "rollback" function that admins have. It's pure curiosity and the desire to know more about how WP works (and there's something to be said here about a cat, I think) - but if you have a second, would you mind pointing me to where I can find more information on that? (I can't find a WP: article or guideline or the like, but I'm sure there must be one. All I've found is a definition of the rollback function in database management - I'm sure that's more or less the same thing here, but is there something about it as it relates to WP?) Thanks for your help.--TheOtherBob 06:27, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

When checking out page differences, if you are a common user, then you see the current edit, and the previous one. If you are an admin, there is a link called "rollback." It is a quick way to revert vandalism, or to revert edits by the same editor in a row (for vandalism, ArbCom violations, sockpuppetry). But, what InShaneee did was using the rollback feature when he was not supposed to. He not only did this once, but 5 times. A rollback, for your information, looks like this: # (diff) (hist) . . m Wikipedia:Wikipe-tan‎; 07:43 . . Zscout370 (Talk | contribs | block) (Reverted edits by (talk) to last version by The Joker). I hope this helps. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:30, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
It does - that's what I was wondering about. Thanks!--TheOtherBob 13:37, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

National emblem of Belarus[edit]

Greetings Zach.

Thanks for your message. I began writing this before you sent your note, but I was in the middle of a copyedit, so I wanted to finish that first.

I noticed your post to Inge's talk page, so I hope I may join in for a few comments?

  • Do you know who created the current symbol? The article only lists the creator of the 1950s symbol (btw, please standardize if this symbol dates from the 1950s or from the year 1950.)
  • Is "People's Artist" the official title for the artist creating the 1950s symbol?
  • You mention the year 1366, but the article on Vytis mentions 1386/87, the years of the Union between Poland and Lithuania. The article about Pahonia also mentions 1366. Do you think you could find a source and add a clarification about the first year?
  • Do we have any documentation for when "Pahonia" became an independent symbol? What I mean is, was it e.g. used by Russia in parts of Belarus conquered from Poland-Lithuania or was it only used on the Polish-Lithuanian side of the border? Smolensk was conquered by Russia back in the 17th century. As I read the text, it was first used by the Russians following the partitions of Poland-Lithuania. Now I'm splitting hairs, sorry, but does this mean the third partition (1795) or the first partition (1772)? Just curious.
  • Would the inclusion of a blazon of the former Pahonia arms be an idea? Unfortunately, I can't write it myself but someone from WP:HV might be able to help.
  • I find the reference to Article 10 in the law about the (current) arms a bit odd. Would you mind rechecking it?
  • I am a bit confused regarding the sentence about the use of the symbol on ballot boxes and "mailings". Did you mean "mail-in votes" (please bear with me, I am not a native speaker).
  • Is "Workers of the World, Unite!" the standard translation used in English? I would have expected "Proletarians of the World, Unite!" I am no Marxist, but in Danish, this slogan goes Proletarer i alle lande, foren jer!. The same is the case in German: Proletarier aller Länder, vereinigt Euch!
  • I didn't understand the following sentence: "Ten years before, the base design was adopted, but the letters at the bottom of the emblem said "С.С.Р.Б" instead of БССР." Would you mind rephrasing it and does it mean that the second Communist symbol actually dates from 1927?
  • Now I'm treading where caution is needed, but do you know of any (neutral) publications indicating of the current popularity of this symbol? My own information on that matter is - well - sketchy.

Sorry that this became a pretty long list. This is all I can think of, I promise. I'm sure you know the image showing a crane removing the Pahonia arms from the front of the Belarusian Parliament building and it would have been wonderful in this article, but alas, this image must be copyrighted. (If you don't know it and wish to see it, just say the word and I'll mail you a copy.) I hope you find my copyediting satisfactory, if you don't, please edit away. All in all, I found this a pretty interesting article on a subject I knew way too little about. Regards. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 00:42, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Btw, I just realized that one of your sources listed is an article by Vitali Silitski. I'd sometimes wondered what had happend to him, but it looks like he is safe in the United States. I'm glad to see it. :) Regards. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 00:59, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
No problems about the length. I have seen the photo you speak of, but it is copyrighted. Now, down to your list.

1. The current designed of the arms is not known and has not been officially released by the Government. The same is said about the state flag. 2. People's Artist is an official award given by the Soviet Union. I would need to clarify it. 3. Look at that now. 4. I would need to dig deeper 5. Yes, I can include a blazon. 6. Fixed that 7. Camapign mailings, such as "Vote for me!" 8. I always heard it as "Workers of the World, Unite" but I could be wrong 9. Fixing that now 10. There is no website that lauds the symbols, except for the official websites and maybe The other sources deal with unpopularity of the symbol. The same is said for the State flag and anthem.

Thanks again for taking a peek at the article and giving it much love.

User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 01:10, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome and I'm glad you could use the input. Your edits to the article look good. Thanks for the explanation for the word "mailing", I have never seen it before. Regarding the current designer, it might be an interesting point to add that his / her name is not known, and perhaps a small clarification about the comparision to the Nazi symbols, which is probably due to the use of these symbols during World War II. Just my thoughts. Regards. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 02:03, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar poll[edit]

You may be interestwed in this discussion Talk:Barnstar#Straw_poll. --evrik (talk) 15:23, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

And given your response on that page, you might be interested in a similar discussion/poll on Talk:Esperanza. Ral315 (talk) 05:39, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Responded to both polls. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 15:57, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Great work!

Flag of the US Episcopal Church.svg[edit]

Thanks for creating and uploading this nice vector graphic in response to my request. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 11:23, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Welcome. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 15:56, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Bullying and Stalking[edit]

Perhaps you don't know the history behind his actions and his coercion. But these are not things you should be emulating and perpetuating. I am asking you to no longer post to or edit my talk page. --A green Kiwi in learning mode 23:31, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

And for that, you just earned an indef. block. If your not going to let users communicate with you, then you have no reason to be here. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 00:05, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Arbitration case[edit]

Some created a RFAr against you and didn't bother informing you of it. So I guess I am officially notifying you of it. semper fiMoe 04:28, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Never mind, the user and the case was reverted. :) semper fiMoe 04:31, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
It was GoodCop, who I blocked for making threats against users. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 05:01, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Good Catch[edit]

Nice work reverting the vandalism at Talk:Flag of Canada. I can't believe I didn't backtrack after I caught the one in the main article...D'oh! --Doc Tropics Message in a bottle 07:08, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

No problem. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 07:11, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


"For making threats against Cool Cat and others"?   What threats? SAJordan talkcontribs 02:20, 14 Nov 2006 (UTC).

You created an account on the Commons to do nothing but to harass, threaten and troll an administrator. The other admins wanted you to be blocked, so I will not be lifting it any time soon. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:10, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
I have not threatened anyone, on- or offline, here or there or anywhere else. The allegation above is false. When you block me based on an accusation specifically of "making threats", I think that creates a moral obligation to answer my question: What threats? (That links to my entire contrib history on Commons; but no threats.) SAJordan talkcontribs 03:54, 14 Nov 2006 (UTC).
I already did. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:33, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Where? SAJordan talkcontribs 04:41, 14 Nov 2006 (UTC).
First response. Plus, from looking here, you posted the same message to me to the people who supported the block on the Commons. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 05:12, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Nowhere above have you answered: What threats? You have only repeated the explicit and serious accusation you made against me on a public page, after preventing me from uttering any defense or denial in the same place.
If all three of you agree publicly that I'm guilty of "making threats against Cool Cat and others", surely at least one of you can specify what threats I am purported to have made; a quote, a cite, a diff, wherein I have uttered threats against someone. But I have asked each of you, What threats?, and none of you have named any.
Have you gone through my contrib history and looked for threats I have made? If not, why not?
I invited you to make that search because, I repeat, I have not threatened anyone, on- or offline, here or there or anywhere else. The allegation above is false.
You have made a false (and public) accusation against me, and blocked me on that basis.
I have asked you repeatedly to support that accusation with specifics: What threats? You have not done so.
I have asked the same question of those who supported your action. They too have not answered it.
At what point will you admit, at least as publicly, including in the same place, that I made no such threats, no threats of any kind, and that your accusation was false?
I would really, truly, sincerely like to know. SAJordan talkcontribs 06:16, 14 Nov 2006 (UTC).

Edits on El Dorado County, California[edit]

Sorry, Zscout, I think the alignment problems may have been my fault, as I was right in the middle of a Preview cycle during changes, and my 3-yr old daughter needed attending to. After that, I couldn't get back to the article for three days straight, as my work-a-day demanded my 110%. I'm currently in the middle of "set-aside-time" for these articles, as far as realignment and additions, ElDo County is my first stop...Edit Centric 02:16, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Edit Centric, I wasn't trying to affect your edits. What happened was that a company was trying to link-spam Wikipedia, and one of the articles they hit was El Dorado County. I just removed their links and that was it. If anything else changed, then go ahead and change it back and accept my apologies. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 02:22, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Awards News[edit]

There are several issues that the WikiProject needs to address.

  1. Do we need a coordinator (or more than one) to coordinate our efforts and act as an arbiter? Please place your thoughts here.
  2. Could someone work on archiving the talk page Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Awards?
  3. Do we need to develop better guidelines for the Wikipedia:WikiProject awards?
  4. Finally, could you please weigh in on the following discussions so we can move them to conclusion:
    1. LGBT Barnstar
    2. Islamic Award
    3. Working Man’s Barnstar.

Sincerely, --evrik (talk) 02:13, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

In reply:
  1. I pass on the cordinator
  2. Page being archived by Werdnabot for discussions older than 2 weeks.
  3. I do not think any guidelines will help at all.
  4. I have no problems with the first 2 barnstars, but I would like the name to stay the same for the Working Man's Barnstar. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 02:25, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Your old buddy under attack[edit]

Check this out. I could use some kind words from an old Wiki-friend. -Husnock 17:05, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I looked at the situation and some suggested that I should mediate. I will. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 19:01, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the mediation, best of luck. I will be happy to provide info I have about images and try to update them when I can. Despite that others seem to have gone over to the other side about this, Durin really scares me. I feel he stalked me, hounded me, and made unreasonable demands. But, for the purpose of mediation, my main concerns are:

  1. Demanded an unrealistic level of personal contact information about the source of some images. The final straw was wanting to talk to my ex-finance and the former girlfriend of my late grandfather.
  2. Asking me for explanations about image sources and then, when I provided the information,declaring it wrong, false, or stating it was not good enough. The final point of this was when Durin stated that JAG officers attached to CNFK and CNFJ didnt know what they were talking about.
  3. Completing dismissing that I am on a military deployment, demadning answers to queries within 12-24 hours after posting and putting 7 day deletion notices on images when I could not possibly have the matter resolved in that time.

I have no proof that this person is attempting to contact people in the "real world" about me and my images but he did mention that an e-mail way sent to Corpus Christi city employees about this. An unrelated contact I have also stated they recieved an e-mail using my last name and asking if I worked for Wikipedia and how to find me. Very scary.

Thanks for mediating. I'll try to stay in touch. We kick up ops after Thanksgiving and my Wiki time might drop sharply. -Husnock 11:23, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Sure, I can work around that. I can see what else I can do, but my dad came homeon leave for 2 weeks, so a lot of time will be spent with him. I also intend on making some of the flag images myself or plan on getting them from Happy Thanksgiving. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 17:50, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Alexander Litvinenko[edit]

The photo of Alex is mine, taken by me three years ago at the book launch for AP. AP have the rights, but I am aloud to use with justification. Please revert the picture deletion. Furthermore I created an article on Bellerusian Jews, please can you contribute and wikify. Thanks! Chavatshimshon 20:17, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

The problem that if the AP has rights to the photo, then we could not use this photo now. The AP is using the photo and is selling them to other news organizations. If we upload the AP/your version to Wikipedia, people will be getting the free version for news reports instead of buying them from the AP. That violates the 4th tennant of the US Fair Use test. A couple months down the road, maybe we could add the picture in. As for the Belarusian Jews article, I'll take a peek at it as soon as I can. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 20:23, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Belarus peer review[edit]

Glad to help - let me know if you want me to take a second look after the changes. I did not look at the second half as carefully as the first. Take care, Ruhrfisch 15:15, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I mostly began to add sources and removed that "neighboring countries" template and put it in writing. Most of the issues at the last FAC were of grammar (which, according to those guys, I suck at) and some updating in the economy section. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 16:29, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Siberia Wiki[edit]

Siberian wikipedia thanks you for your vote in our support. Unfortunately, many votes in this voting are alleged to be falsified. We need you to verify your vote. There are two ways of doing it: you can confirm it right below this request or you can do this by adding to your user page a link to your meta account (like this:[12]") --Ottorahn 18:40, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
My Meta account is at m:User:Zscout370, which links to every account I hold on Wikimedia projects. And yes, I do authorize the vote I placed for the debate on the RU-SIB Wikipedia. To note, I also have an account on RU-SIB wiki. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 23:46, 22 November 2006 (UTC)


Hello Zach, would you please give your oppinion in this? Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/BRIMC, thank you. AlexCovarrubias Flag of Mexico.svg ( Let's talk! ) 20:29, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Responded. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 01:01, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Problem with a vandal[edit]

Hey Zscout, I have discovered a repeat vandal and I am not sure how to handle the situation.

Dermo has done tons of vandalism and has recieved countless warnings (see his talk page) but has yet to be punished (as far as I know). I noticed him after he vandalized the Space Warfare page (see the history) and I reverted it. Considering his history with warnings, I don't know if they'll do much good.

I brought this to the attention of Nishkid64 earlier, but he thought that some who this user's vandalism is accidental. A good deal of his vandalism, however, is not accidental, so I thought it best to bring it to your attention.

Any help would be appreciated, Sharkface217 00:32, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I am trying to see what this guy is doing, and from going through Special:Contributions/Dermo69, some of it was just not fixing redirects and all of that stuff. I see no cause for blocking, yet, so I suggest go to the WP:AN and see if they could help. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 00:39, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


Are you guys sure about the move? I'll make the move once yall give me the ok. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 20:12, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Uh... why? We are going to be setting a terrible precedent if we allow the results of move requests to be ignored just because one side decides to complain about them profusely. At no point did any of them go talk to Mets501 about what may have indeed been a miscount. Instead, the route they choose is to complain about the results of the first couple move requests behind his back, move war, set up another move request, engage in vote stacking, and then, after they're caught, complain that the accusations of vote stacking are "slander" and part of some sinister plan to ignore everything they say. That's not how we should allow move requests to be done. -- tariqabjotu 21:03, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
I just want to be sure this is what the articles writers decide. I should be able to make just one move and be done instead of trying to sort out three or four. Plus, given on how the discussion is going on, I am going to wait before I even do anything. I am trying to mediate the situation, but as you see, I suck at this. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 21:40, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


I saw you blocked User:Cocunuthead, who at that moment had only 20 edits in Wikipedia, most of which were to his user page. His talk page does not contain any warnings. Can I know what this user did so bad he was blocked without an attemp to explain him he is doing a wrong thing. It seems to be very close to WP:BITE to me. Even very disruptive vandals who only add bad word to Wikipedia are not blocked that soon. Although this user used Wikipedia only as a chat room, I do not think his behaviour was disruptive enough to block him indefinitely that soon. --Jan.Smolik 23:31, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Jan, some of the things that did not show up in the edit history, such as his userboxes, because I deleted them. Concerns about sockpuppetry were confirmed, in private, to me. The discussion of the problems occured at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#User_User:Ryulong_closing_unblock_requests_even_though_he_is_not_an_admin. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 23:34, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for explanation. I later on checked full text of his posts at the discussion mentioned above and he seemed to be to much knowledgeble about our processes to be new. So I thought it was something like that. However biting newbies is far to common so I wanted to be sure this is not the case. (Actually I understand to people being alergical to people doing their test edits in the article space, but some of these can become good editors). Anyway sorry if my tone seemed to be biting, it was not intended. --Jan.Smolik 11:17, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
No problem Jan; you had a legit concern about an admin action. Could what I done seen as WP:BITE, maybe. However, from what I been seeing, it has gone from WP:AGF to block first, ask questions later. Could it be with all of the stuff we deal with on a constant basis or people just refuse to leave Wikipedia, even after they were shown the door. I do not know what it is, but we both should expect blocks like this to be commonplace. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 14:47, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Flag of Tripoli[edit]

From what I know, the city doesn't have a flag, so we are not able to draw one. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 18:17, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. Wikiacc (?) 21:23, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Your welcome. If anything has changed, I will let you know. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 02:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Editor Review[edit]

Hey Zscout, I'm currently up for Editor Review. I would be most appreciative if you could comment on my Wikipedia habits there and offer some advice. Thanks in advance. Sharkface217 02:13, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Responded. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:52, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


Good to see you. To quote McCoy: "My God Man!" Check out the deletion page on Starfleet alternate ranks and insignia -Husnock 18:24, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I should add Coolcat formally stated that he is quitting Wikipedia because of the info on the deletion nomination. -Husnock 18:37, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
As for the AFD, I voted keep (with possible preservation at MemoryAlpha). But as for CC leaving, this was mentioned to me earlier before in IRC. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 23:18, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Conspiracy theories on Vladimir Putin[edit]

If you have time, I'll appreciate your input on the article and other editors knowledgeable about Russia. Earlier today, I converted a new section of the Vladimir Putin aritlce, consisting of a long narrative of conspiracy theories, into a section on Putin's crime policies-- content I think actually helps make the article more encyclopedic. [13] But then I was reverted by editor accusing me of "suppressing documented information." [14] 172 | Talk 02:43, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

With the recent death of the former KGB/FSB spy, a lot of people would be adding to the list of "crimes" done by Putin, including the botched rescues in Beslan. I also think that WP:BLP is also screwing things up for us there, and also at the article on Lukashenko. I would personally wait for the spy death to calm down before trying to add that information again. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 07:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Mel Gibson mugshot[edit]

To be honest, I know very little about the history of the mugshot photo. If your analysis is correct, then you should ask for the photo to be removed ASAP, I probably won't partake in the discussion. From memory, my only contribution to this discussion was to mention that quality is a variable thing. A free photo (free as in libre i.e. wikipedia free) would be better then a fair use photo quality wise to some users even if it doesn't look as good. It's unfortunate if the example I used wasn't in fact free but hopefully people will understand the point I was trying to make rather then the get detracted by the bad example. Nil Einne 06:38, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Nah, I do not blame you for bring it up. I'll probably write to the LASD using snail-mail and see if that will answer the question. As for the free vs. fair use, I would personally avoid using a fair use photo if I could. But, my personal preference should not be WP-standards. I am sure a lot of the things I write about could be added with a photo, and perhaps fit the fair use rules nicely. But, I understand the main goal of WP and try to avoid fair use as much as possible. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 07:53, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Please do not reveal user names[edit]

What about his stalking of me on the internet and creating a blog specifically attacking me on Wikipedia? I said I would respect his wish as long as he doesn't attempt to portray himself as a netural editor who does not have a POV to push and that he is somehow not connected to the Sai Controversy. He is. He chose to engage in debates with me first, which led to my discovery of his sockpuppet. That isn't stalking. SSS108 talk-email 18:56, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Discovering sock puppets is not a problem, but all I ask for now is just do not use the real name, ok? User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 19:07, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay. SSS108 talk-email 03:34, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:50, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello Zscout, as you kindly got involved in this complaint at WP:AN/I, I'd like to inform you that SSS108 still has not complied with the terms of his Pinfo4 warning, and I have pointed this out to him here (relevant diffs pointed out there). I strongly suspect that he is dragging his heels because he wishes to wait until my name is recorded in the Talk page archives of Sathya Sai Baba as has already happened with WP:AN/I. Please could you step in once again and help to enforce my right to privacy? Thanks. ekantiK talk 14:32, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Ekantik, ever since I talked to him, he did not post your name to Wikipedia again. Because this occured before I spoke to him, I am inclined not to block. It is true that whatever you do on Wikipedia, it is recorded and people can look at them and use the "changes" anytime they could need to. But, what I can suggest is that if you do not want the name to be used on Wikipedia by others, you should try checking WP:RFO out so the name can be wiped from Wikipedia's history. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 14:43, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Thank you very much for being so helpful. Actually I was not after a block but would have just been satisfied with removal from the archives as Jossi did. But thank you very much anyway and I have filed an RFO. ekantiK talk 18:14, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
A related question, in case nothing is done am I authorised to remove the nonpublic personal information myself? Replacing them with 'x' or whatever as Jossi did? ekantiK talk 18:14, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
What Oversight does is that they make the edit "never happen" at all, so even if you and Jossi replace your name with XXXXXX, all someone has to do is go into the history and get the name. However, since you are in a dispute with this guy, I suggest asking someone else to remove them for you. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:02, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your clarifications, I appreciate it. Let's hope that the RFO is done. ekantiK talk 01:03, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

The Graphic Designer's Barnstar[edit]

GDBarnstar1.png The Graphic Designer's Barnstar
I know it's late but i award you the The Graphic Designer's Barnstar for your work on Image:Red copyright.svg. Cocoaguy (Talk)| (Edits) 22:06, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
Thank you anyways; better later than never. :) User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:14, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Order of Canada[edit]

Unfortunately, its not really a photo of someone being invested, rather just someone wearing it...although if you think it still its a good idea to change it to a free photo its your call. BTW: I have uploaded the images of the Order of Canada from the National Archives into the commons. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dowew (talkcontribs) 06:01, 10 December 2006 (UTC). Dowew 06:02, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

BTW, how can you tell the licence from photos on Flikr ? I found [15] this one of the Order of the British Empire Dowew 06:02, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
On the right side of the page, there is a header called Additional Information. Under that, the license is displayed. There is a search you can do for images under the Creative Commons license, so I just use that. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 16:21, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

VC Ribbon[edit]

No, no, you're quite right - I wasn't reverting back to the old image, only reverting back to the filename in order to upload a better, self created image. One of the things I've tried to do when working on decorations and medals articles is to standardise on infobox image filenames.

Xdamrtalk 17:01, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Ah. My main concern was not about the filename, but if the graphic is free content or not. I can draw more ribbons in the future for other articles, but I try to name them clearly. So, in the VC's case, if Australia came up with their own ribbon bar, it would be called Victoria Cross ribbon bar (Australia), so on. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 17:09, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I'd be inclined to call it VictoriaCrossAusRibbon, but then that's just me - I hate spaces in filenames!
I just thought I'd let you know, given that you are interested in the field, that a WikiProject has recently (ie. today) been created to deal with the topic of Orders, Decorations, and Medals (WP:ODM). Hopefully, by collaboration, we can sort out the patchy coverage of this area. Quite frankly, things like categorisation are a thorough mess. If you are interested then it would be good to see you.
Best wishes, Xdamrtalk 19:39, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I been waiting for that project to exist for a really long time. I written several ODM articles and I am glad there is a group that will like them now. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 01:39, 11 December 2006 (UTC)


Of course! :) And judging by its poor state, it is a perfect candidate. Renata 02:36, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Flag of Lithuania[edit]

Hi Zach.

Have you seen this link [16]? It is not from an official website, but the Lithuanian Wikipedia links to it, so it seems a fair guess that the Pantone values are correct. Regards. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 22:57, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I dug up this link. It is a decision by the Commission of Heraldry dated April 1, 2005. Don't know if that means something to you, but it says:
    • national flag: yellow (15-0955 TP), green (19-6026 TP), and red/purplish (19-1664 TP)
    • presidential flag: red/purplish (19-1664 TP)
    • coat of arms: blue (17-4440 TP), red (18-1561 TP). The metals (gold and silver) can be replaced yellow (14-0955 TP) and white (11-0602 TP).
Same numbers for flag are repeatred here (page 6) - that's instructions how to make signs for some marketing campaign from Ministry of Finance. I will try to translate about the state flag next. Renata 05:57, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
The colors information is very useful, plus more information sounding. I got the RGB codes that I can use so I can make the correct flag images. Thanks again. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 19:04, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

The days when the flag needs to raised are listed here. That is a decision by the Government of Lithuania (and not the Seimas) because the flag law article 4.7 says "7. The Government of the Republic of Lithuania shall set the time for hoisting flags." So the needs to hoisted by gov institutions on:

  • Jan 1 - Day of flag of Lithuania
  • Jan 13 - Day of freedom fighters (January Events)
  • Feb 24 - Independence Day of Estonia
  • Mar 29 - day when Lithuania joined NATO
  • May 1 - day when Lithuania joined the European Union
  • May 9 - Day of Europe
  • June 14 - Day of mourning and hope (with mark of mourning; that's when mass deportations to Siberia started in 1941)
  • June 15 - Day of occupation and genocide (with mark of mourning; day when Lithuania was occupied by the Soviet Russia in 1940)
  • July 15 - Battle of Grunwald
  • Aug 23 - Day of balck ribbon (with mark of mourning; Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact)
  • Aug 31 - Day of Freedom (the last Russian soldier left Lithuania in 1993)
  • Sept 23 - Day of Genocide of Lithuanian Jews (liquidation of Vilnius ghetto in 1943)
  • Oct 25 - Constitution Day (referendum in 1992)
  • Nov 18 - Independence Day of Latvia
  • Nov 23 - Day of Lithuanian soldiers (in 1918, Ministry of Defense issued its first decision. It established the army)
  • Election days

On Feb 16, March 11, and June 6 the flag needs to raised by everyone (not sure, have to double check). Renata 09:35, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Here is the rough translation of [17].

Historical flag is back to political life.

[definition of national historical flag from the flag law]

On May 15, 2002 (on the day when Constituent Assembly of Lithuania first met in 1920), Vice-speaker of Seimas Česlovas Juršėnas and the chairman of Commission of Heraldry Edmundas Rimša presented the historical national flag and the grand COA. They were created by member of the commission, artist Arvydas Každailis.

The Commission of Heraldry drew attention that Lithuania, as one of the oldest states in Europe, could have a historical national flag. This symbol is known since the 15th century. It would be used together with the national flag (created at the beginning of the 20th century) and the president's flag. In such case Lithuania, as many other old states in Europe, would have 3 flags.

The commission also proposes that the grand coat of arms would be adopted.

Juršėnas said that the flag is still under construction and that the design of the old symbols is open to discussions. The work should be done by Seimas committees. The artist said he gifts Seimas with his draft of the historical flag.


In June 2002 Rimša send such letter to Juršėnas

"Lithuania has 600 years of heraldry traditions, some of them formed in the 14th century, some at the beginning of the 20th century. We have recreated a number of important symbols, banned and destroyed by occupations. Already in 1988 national flag (misleadingly named as state (valstybės) flag in the law) and national anthem were adopted. In 1990 the main symbol - the coat of arms (silver knight on red banner) - was adopted. Today all cities and most towns have their COA, flags, and seals. The situation with heraldry of Lithuanian army, police, and other institutions is not that bad either. However, to this day the major symbols were neglected - the historical flag (red with white knight) and the grand COA (with supporters, motto, etc.) They were often used to represent the country. It is true that they are not completely forgotten. The historical flag was used to create the flags of the president, the navy, divisions of the army. Kaunas, following its traditions, hoists a red flag with white knight on one side and Columns of Gediminas on the other on important holidays in the yard of the Museum of War. The grand COA, through the flag of the president, is slowly coming back to life. What's missing is the official decision by the Seimas. We understand that it is not an easy task to adopt the historical flag and the grand COA because it is related to the 1st article in the constitution. Therefore we suggest first to grant the red flag with white knight the status of "historical state flag" (valstybė istorinė vėliava) and to adopt the grand COA as an independent symbol of Lithuania. It can be done by Seimas only. Later, when there is a good opportunity, the constitution should be amended. We trust that Seimas under your leadership will find a way to solve the issue and that next year, when we celebrate the 750th anniversary of Mindaugas' coronation, the historical flag and the grand COA will be officially adopted."

This letter with attached historical analysis from the Commission of Heraldry was passed to the workgroups of the Seimas. On July 8, 2004 Seimas adopted a new law on flags where it was established the use of the historical flag.

The law establishes that the flag is permanently hoisted on the Royal Palace of Lithuania, Trakai Island Castle, and yard of the Museum of War in Kaunas. It is also hoisted on:

  • Feb 16 - next to the House of Signatories (on Pilies Street)
  • March 11 - next to Palace of Seimas
  • July 6 - next to the Presidential Palace, Vilnius
  • July 15 - next to the Ministry of Defense
  • Oct 25 - next to Seimas, Presidential Palace, and Government of Lithuania

Ok, hope it makes sense. If no, bug me again. Sorry for delays in replying - I am just extremely busy these days. And thank you for improving the article (it already looks so much better!) I might be able to send you an article about the flag (in English). Renata 10:36, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

My chat with Metros232[edit]

Why did you put your big nose in where it wasn't welcome during my talk with Metros232? It was a PRIVATE conversation. Oh, and you weren't involved in the first place so why did you feel the urge to get involved? Bowsy 19:34, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Because I was privately asked to get involved. Plus, I am one of these, so I have every right to get involved when asked. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 19:36, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, but a word of advice: Have you ever thought that putting "Return Fire" after your signature may encourage some users to vandalise your talk page in response to something you may have said to them? Bowsy 19:08, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

No problem. I'm not concerned, I had this for a while. My talk page is supposed to be a place where people can "retrun fire," "sound off" and other stuff. I do not get much vandalism here, but if it does occur, I know, since I see an orange on my screen. :) User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 20:36, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Awit sa Bohol or Bohol Hymn[edit]

Hi! I saw you helped with the ogg media for the Philippine National Anthem. Can you tell me how to go about uploading the Bohol Hymn? Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pinay06 (talkcontribs) 02:08, 17 December 2006 (UTC).

Sure. First, you need to find out if the recording is able to be uploaded in the first place. This is mainly for copyright reasons. Once you determined that, you download the mp3 file to your computer. Download and install Audacity, a free program I use to convert mp3 files to Ogg Vorbis. Convert it, then upload it like you are trying to upload a photo. Add it to the article using the method of your choice and you should be set. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 08:43, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi! Thanks for the response. Okey, I will check. In case, I will get back to you about it. --Pinay06|Talk|Email 08:54, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Personally, I think Audacity is overkill. You'd probably be better off with a simple single-purpose scriptable tool like mp32ogg. --Gwern (contribs) 20:38 17 December 2006 (GMT)
Hi again! Thanks for the update. This is all new to me, so it will take me sometime. Hopefully, I can do it! ----Pinay06 (Talk*Email) 00:33, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Unspecified source for Image:Conservative maple leaf.svg[edit]

Thanks for uploading Image:Conservative maple leaf.svg. I notice the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you have not created this file yourself, then there needs to be a justification explaining why we have the right to use it on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you did not create the file yourself, then you need to specify where it was found, i.e., in most cases link to the website where it was taken from, and the terms of use for content from that page.

If the file also doesn't have a copyright tag, then one should be added. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then the {{GFDL-self}} tag can be used to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media meets the criteria at Wikipedia:Fair use, use a tag such as {{Non-free fair use in|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair_use. See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have specified their source and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have uploaded by following this link. Unsourced and untagged images may be deleted one week after they have been tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Lokal_Profil 22:16, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Dealt with. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:22, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for resolving the problem. /Lokal_Profil 18:27, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
No problem. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 19:09, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Lupang Hinirang[edit]

Hi again! This is from an email of a friend who manages the Filipinas Heritage Library of Ayala Foundation in Manila:

"The Filipinas Heritage Library has the recording of the Phil Natl Anthem that was played by the famous Phil Constabulary Band. This band was the first and only foreign band invited to perform during the inauguration of a new US Pres. It was the same band that played during the St Louis exposition in 1904, if I'm not mistaken."
If you are interested, let me know. I can hook you up. --Pinay06 (Talk*Email) 09:03, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Sent you an email for details. --Pinay06 (Talk*Email) 11:31, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Email received. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 11:35, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi! I found it. I learned something today. Thank you. --Pinay06 (Talk/Email) 20:55, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

RoboServien on en:Belarus[edit]

I'm not sure if it was you who sent me a message, about the Moldovan Wikipedia, but thanks for the message, the next time I run my bot I'll let my bot ignore this language :-) Servien 20:07, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it was me who sent the message (I forgot to add my name, sorry about that). But thanks for reading my concern. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 20:13, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Bohol/locator maps[edit]

Hi! This is in reference to User:RHaworth's message which you may refer here: [18]. He requested for a second opinion, hence this message. Please give your input. However, as per my reply, the article in question could have been tagged as db-author amidst all the contention. --Pinay06 (TalkEmail) 21:16, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Deleted. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 21:28, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Thank you. --Pinay06 (TalkEmail) 22:18, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Social Weather Stations[edit]

I am now getting stuck on Social Weather Stations! BTW, they have a hymn in Tagalog at I could get permission to upload it on Wiki. What do you think? Please give me your critique...--Pinay06 (TalkEmail) 22:18, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Hmm...I am not sure if we could add this to Wikipedia or not. What I would suggest to hold up on this before trying to add this as an OGG file on Wikipedia. I like hymns and all, but I am not sure what is the standard for Wikipedia. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 00:39, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I almost missed this msg. Either way is okey.--Pinay06 (TalkEmail) 07:09, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
No problem, at least you saw it. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 07:14, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Mr. Satan[edit]

I'm not quite sure that we reached consensus, but it'll be over for a bit anyway. Can you please though move the article to Mr. Satan and not Mr. Satan (Dragon Ball). That was the target of the move request and we don't need the extra disambiguation. (I wish you had waited because we were writing up a dissertation to present to WP:NAME WP:MOS-JP to being in some third opinions and this vote was skewed unfortunately because of one user that did some vote spamming. I would have preferred it to be clean, this is asking for someone to challenge it again in a month.) JRP 21:53, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Moving finished. I checked everything before I did the move/closing and I did not find anything new with regards to the vote stacking. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:03, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

NPA Advice[edit]

Hello Zscout, sorry to trouble you again as this refers to an earlier issue. The same user (SSS108) created a section on his talk page that I feel is defamatory against me because it fits the description of "Posting a link to an external source that fits the commonly-accepted threshold for a personal attack, in a manner that incorporates the substance of that attack into Wikipedia discussion. Suggesting a link applies to another editor, or that another editor needs to visit a certain link, that contains the substance of an attack." (Last example of NPA). Under cover of providing a Google link, that link actually directs the reader to defamatory blogs and websites authored by SSS108 which he has done many times: diff1, diff2, diff3, diff4, diff5, diff6, diff7, and diff8. So I think that this is a violation of WP:NPA and would appreciate your advice, especially since the editor in question persists in editwarring (1, 2, 3) that is obstructing the development of the article.

I'd also like to clarify that I am not locked in a dispute as such. Whatever claims are made, I am confident that my edits are made to improve the article and the Wikipedia project. I believe that this is true of every article that I am involved with and I show no special preference to any particular article. Thanks in advance for your advice. Ekantik talk 03:17, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

My experiences with this editor are a bit mixed, I did mange to have him stop using your name on here and that was about it. Since this situation is pretty complex, what I would suggest is a WP:RFC for this situation. That will have a lot more people look at the situation, plus there is no time limit on it, so you can have it going as long as you need it in order to solve the situation. I would also suggest mediation, but I do not feel qualified to give it. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:42, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Thank you very much for that advice. RFC seems a little problematic so I may place that on hold. I'd like to ask the opinion of another editor before I consider an RFC. Thanks very much for your time and advice anyhow. Much appreciated. Ekantik talk 04:07, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Your welcome. Sure, go ask around, someone might be able to help you better than I could. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:10, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Philippine flag[edit]

That's great news! I am so happy for you. I got a cc of the mail, hopefully everything will turn out well. Good luck. Keep me updated. --Pinay06 (TalkEmail) 06:18, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

By the way, the correct website is this:, not the Me again, --Pinay06 (TalkEmail) 06:19, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the correction and I did get his email. He mentioned that once the copyright has been cleared through his boses, then it can be uploaded to Wikipedia. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:22, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
If the file is mp3, it still has to be converted to ogg? --Pinay06 (TalkEmail) 06:28, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Yes it does, but I can do it easily. I was the one who put up the recording of the Philippines anthem by the US Navy Band on Wikipedia (and several other anthems). User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:29, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

okey. --Pinay06 (TalkEmail) 06:43, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Wonderful news on the flags. They will be in Wiki soon? Can I interest you in local maps, too, like that of Bohol? - Sorry, I have this tendency to be biased to my own little republic island in P.I. --Pinay06 (TalkEmail) 20:15, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
The blue shade flags are on the Wiki now at Image:Flag of the Philippines (light blue).svg and Image:Flag of the Philippines (navy blue).svg. As for the maps, I can see what I can do. I might try and draw the Bohol flag, but I am also in the process of making the Philippines arms into an SVG file. There is no problem about you being biased towards Bohol, my friends who are Filipino do mention their home islands from time to time. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 20:27, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
These are great! I wonder if the other Filipino wikipedians know about these? In case, I can post in the Philippine Notice Board at WP:TAMBAY, or you can. --Pinay06(TalkEmail) 21:46, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Great flag of Bohol...How exciting! You are so generous of your time and talent! I really really thank your for this. This will be used well. Many articles listed in List of Bohol-related topics can really use this. --Pinay06(TalkEmail) 21:46, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
My intent with the Bohol flag is to have a freely licensed graphic used on all parts of Bohol articles and on other articles (if needed). I do admit the flag is a bit longer than what most images have them, but I followed the guidelines at the Bohol Government page to the letter. But I am glad you like it. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 21:55, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Sporting events[edit]

Please change the name of all the bowls then, too. Chick-fil-A Bowl. Bowl. Meineke Car Care Bowl. Capital One Bowl. GMAC Bowl. etc. etc. etc. We use the exact correct title of the event, and there is no such event as the "24 Hours of Daytona." Media reports, official sources, the sanctioning body and the track all call it the Rolex 24 At Daytona. We can always move it when and if the name changes, just as we might move Bowl to Bowl. FCYTravis 07:20, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

The user who asked for the move came on IRC and asked for the move to happen, and I was the only admin on, so I did it. Are you sure the Rolex name is used more often, since I am an idiot when it comes to racing. I won't move it again, I have no vested interest in the outcome. Sorry for any problems I caused. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 11:25, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the note[edit]

Thanks for the note. Do you know when it was closed and by whom? Dpotop 20:27, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

It was done a long time ago via a vote on Wikimedia Meta. I am not sure who closed it, but I think it was closed under strange circumstances. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 20:47, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Flags of the Philippines[edit]

Hi! On second thought, I think it will be wonderful if you post the good news yourself in Wikipedia talk:Tambayan Philippines. --Pinay06(TalkEmail) 22:04, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

It will be a welcome "good news", and diversion from the on-going "Water Map" making process...hehehe —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pinay06 (talkcontribs) 22:06, 19 December 2006 (UTC).
Can you do it for me? I am kinda busy right now making more graphics. Thanks in advance. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:11, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Sure. No problem! Good luck and take care. --Pinay06(TalkEmail) 22:17, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. I went ahead and posted there too with my new graphic. Took me two days to do, but I think it looks pretty good (and legally correct). User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 23:01, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Good job on the coat of arms!!! That is really so wonderful of you! Thank you...--Pinay06(TalkEmail) 00:14, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 00:43, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Locator maps[edit]

Hi! Maybe when you got slack time, you can help me make "cool" locator maps for the Chocolate Hills and the Philippine Tarsier...Both are on peerreview right now, hopefully the maps will help the articles become GA maybe? There's no rush. We are still working on the suggestions for improvement from the peer reviews. --Pinay06(TalkEmail) 01:49, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

So far, the ones available, albeit copyrighted, in the web are here and also here. The Chocolate Hills are here

What do you say? --Pinay06(TalkEmail) 02:09, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I will see what I can do. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:11, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Thank you. --Pinay06(TalkEmail) 21:58, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
It's from different add same name at gmail--Pinay06(TalkEmail) 23:07, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

re:Philippine flags[edit]

Hi! This is a message posted in Wikipedia talk:Tambayan Philippines. misunderstood maybe? - --Pinay06(TalkEmail) 05:27, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm surprised the old one was replaced. Technically, as long as the people have not voted in a referendum designed to adopt the changes to the national symbols per the Constitution, the new CoA should not be used for the time being. --Sky Harbor 05:14, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
But under the current copyright policy of Wikipedia, the "old" coat of arms image is under an un-free license, so the main reason I made the new SVG image is that a free graphic can be used on Wikipedia. I will try, hunker down, arm myself with music and Pepsi, and make the eagle and lion that was on the previous arms and use it. (I also noticed on the Bohol website that the arms, without the eagle and lion, are used, so I am trying to follow RA 8491 as much as I can). Just give me a day or two, please. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 09:13, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Hey, no cause to worry. Though I did try to clarify it here --Pinay06(TalkEmail) 18:38, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I honestly thinking he was directing that message at me, but I am going to keep my word and make the Eagle and Lion to add to the arms image. I started on the lion last night. Thanks for the award btw. :) User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 19:59, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

It is well deserved! --Pinay06(TalkEmail) 20:59, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

As soon I got this message, I put the award on my userpage. As I told the folks at WT:PINOY, I finished the lion today. I am going to start the eagle soon, but it is going to take a while. It took me over an hour to do the lion. What I am going to do is when I finish the arms, I will upload it at the name I use already for the RA 8491 arms. Then, I will put the other coat of arms image at Coat of Arms of the Philippines (RA 8491) so people can tell the difference, and to save effort if you guys ever want to expand that article. I know some of the users are confused, and I do apologize for it. But, by the end of the week, it should be fixed. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 21:03, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Good! I suggest you post the statement re the status of copyright of the current CoA in use in Wiki there as well, for everybody's info.--Pinay06(TalkEmail) 21:08, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
The discussion about Philippines Gov't images, not just the arms, is discussed at Wikipedia_talk:Fair_use#Template:Philippines-politician. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 21:10, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Gratitude should be ours...--Pinay06(TalkEmail) 21:41, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Check mail. --Pinay06(TalkEmail) 21:58, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Still checking. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:21, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I got nothing yet. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:52, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Just a heads up! --Pinay06(TalkEmail) 23:19, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I got that. I been having problems with Yahoo mail, so that is why I been using the service I am using now. As of this message, I have begun on the eagle. I finished the white feathers, I finished the arrows and I am working on the main body of the eagle now. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 23:29, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Good luck and enjoy! --Pinay06(TalkEmail) 23:41, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Just practicing mouseover here

--Pinay06(TalkEmail) 03:06, 21 December 2006 (UTC)


Barnstar-philippines.png The Philippine Barnstar
You deserve this Philippine Barnstar for your diligent efforts and outstanding contributions to the Philippine national and local symbols. Keep up the good work! --Pinay06(TalkEmail) 18:21, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

a request from User: Vaoverland[edit]

Hi! I have been working on Wikipedia: WikiProject Virginia and several other projects with User: No1lakersfan most of this past year. He is now a high school senior hopping to gain admittance to one of Virginia's public university for the Fall 2007 semester. Following advice, he has done maintenance and reference adding work, as well spending time on articles. He is a good collaborator and I believe he would enhance our efforts with WP as an administrator and use the additional tools and powers wisely. Since you know me from our past communications, I wanted to request that you consider entering a vote, hopefully in support, if you agree with my judgment and recommendation at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/No1lakersfan 2.

Requested moves[edit]

Hi, I'd just like to turn your attention to WP:RM procedure. Please do the following steps when closing a RM:

  • Archive the discussion with {{subst:polltop}} Reason ~~~~ ... {{subst:pollbottom}}
  • Remove the article's entry from WP:RM
  • Fix double redirects, if any.

I apologize if you already knew that but forgot to apply it; I mistakenly came to close the RM of Mr. Satan after you, and almost kinda wheel-warred, as it wasn't apparent that the poll was closed and page moved & archived by an admin.

Oh, and who slapped {{moveprotected}} to the page when it isn't in fact moveprotected? Duja 09:15, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I found the tag on there, but what probably happened is that after I moved it, the protection was probably lifted and not put back on. I will probably lock it again. I am still in the process of fixing all of those problems, but I think someone could run AWB and fix the redirects (this was a major move war, where triple-redirects were left). 19:06, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

2nd opinion[edit]

Hi! Just needed another opinion on this - I did the start up on Intellectual property protection in the Philippines from a red link in WP:TAMBAY. Very recently, I saw an article Philippine copyright law. Do you think these two should just be merged? or what... --Pinay06 (TalkEmail) 18:39, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, they should be merged and I got your email. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 18:55, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
BTW, I added the flag of Bohol to Template:Bohol. You can check. --Pinay06 (TalkEmail) 20:02, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 :) User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 20:16, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
The template looks cool now! (<-mouseover) By the way, where do you find the email link on a user's page? --Pinay06 (TalkEmail) 21:58, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the greetings. As for the "E-mail this user" link, go to a userpage (or user talk page) then look for the link that says "E-mail this user" between "Block User" and "Upload file" on the left side of the screen (under the toolbox heading). User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:14, 21 December 2006 (UTC)