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Two-Factor Authentication now available for admins[edit]

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A new user right for New Page Patrollers[edit]

Hi Zzyzx11.

A new user group, New Page Reviewer, has been created in a move to greatly improve the standard of new page patrolling. The user right can be granted by any admin at PERM. It is highly recommended that admins look beyond the simple numerical threshold and satisfy themselves that the candidates have the required skills of communication and an advanced knowledge of notability and deletion. Admins are automatically included in this user right.

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16 team bracket[edit]

Is there a reason why you want to delete the templates? I just made them in case the playoffs increase in teams. Is there something wrong? AquilaXIII (talk) 03:43, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Sports official template[edit]

Hi Zzyx11. I am very interested in referee articles and have been working my way through all the articles at Category:Sports officials. I came across Template:Sports official editnotice and thought it was a great idea (I made an edit to it to include WP:BALASP as it is probably the most overlooked policy). American football biographies are some of the more WP:due referee articles I have come across (and I have seen a lot) and although I doubt it is just down to the template it can't have hurt. I was hoping to add it to referee articles in other sports in particular the currently active referees at a high level in Baseball, Basketball, Cricket, Rugby and Soccer. I am pretty sure that only admins and template editors are allowed to create edit notices. I hate asking other people to do things I am perfectly capable of so I might have a go for template editor seeing as I might just scrape in under the criteria with about 160 edits to templates (should be less painful than running for RFA anyway). I just wanted to check with you first as to whether you think expanding the use of this edit notice is a good idea or if there are drawbacks I am not seeing. AIRcorn (talk) 10:15, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

@Aircorn:: yes, only admins and template editors are allowed to create and modify edit notices. The problem when I created Sports official editnotice is that, at the time, I did not have enough time to compile a list of every single bio article on referees, umpires and the like. If I had such a list, I could run the AWB tool to complete the job. However, compiling a list of such articles became a low priority because I have yet to see a significant impact: fans upset by a controversial call are still going to be determined to vandalize and add POV edits to the articles no matter what. Zzyzx11 (talk) 02:40, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply. I am sort of doing that now at Category:WikiProject Referees (will probably be a few more weeks yet before I get there). Some of those tagged are not strictly biography articles though (like List of ODI cricket umpires and Rugby union referee). There is also Category:Sports officials, which is basically where I am finding the articles to tag. Some of those are not really referees, more like high level administrators, and it also includes the list and overview articles.
I got sick of seeing referee articles balloon with addition of non-notable criticisms with very little oversight beyond our usual vandal fighters. This area has now become a pet project for me here and I am willing to do the legwork required to compile such a list. Would you like a list of all the referees with biographies (which would be relatively easy) or should I concentrate on the ones currently or recently active who control high profile games (the articles of older referees are noticeably more balanced). AIRcorn (talk) 21:09, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
Whatever is easiest for you. Zzyzx11 (talk) 21:11, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
User:Aircorn/Current referees (about 450) I went with the current referees as they tend to attract the most interest straight after a game. It should cover most of the major tournaments. I also didn't include American Football and Ice Hockey as they had the edit notice already. Thanks for your assistance. AIRcorn (talk) 09:59, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Done. I only grabbed the blue links off of your list using AWB, ignoring the few redlinks. An unwritten rule I have observed is that there should not be an editnotice for articles that do not exist yet. Those eventually get generally nominated for speedy deletion. For reference: I then exported the list to my computer (List->Save list); opened it up in the notepad text editor to do a find and replace to modify it to the editnotice title format; reloaded the text file back into AWB; and used the "Prepend text". Zzyzx11 (talk) 04:37, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
Thanks a lot for this. I hope it makes a difference. That list was made up through various different means, hence the rather jumbled formatting. I have added all the blue links to my watchlist (pushing 2000 now) so I can keep an eye on them. I will do the same for the redlinks when I format everything a bit better so I know when they are created. If they survive deletion I can just use {{adminhelp}} to get the edit notice added. Thanks again, I really appreciate it. AIRcorn (talk) 05:12, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Apportionment (politics)[edit]

Am not sure it is worth jousting with your large addition of uncited essay here, but please curb the excesses. The additional explanation of the Connecticut Compromise might be helpful, but "the less populous states were afraid" seems unencyclopedic. The rationales are probably covered in the article linked to. The new paragraph on the total number of House members is irrelevant to apportionment. Washington, D.C. is perhaps better known than the District of Columbia, but the District is the state-like territory that lacks the rights of a state; the fact that it comprises exactly one city is a side issue. And there is "encourages the candidates to spend exponentially more time". Exponentially? This is hyperbole. Spike-from-NH (talk) 04:36, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Legend transclusion[edit]

It's nice that you're trying to make the RDT legend templates transcludable, but since you can't actually do that (at the bottom, anyway) with almost half of the RDTs which exist right now, there's not much point doing it until they're all converted to {{Routemap}} or {{BS-map}} first. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
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08:15, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I will concede that. I have also replied to this on the Template talk:Railway line legend discussion. Thanks. Zzyzx11 (talk) 08:20, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Times have changed[edit]

I stumbled upon this gem and it gave me a good laugh. Imagine the reaction today if someone AFDed the page of a Heisman winning, unanimous All-American, 4-time Pro Bowler, NFL 1960s All-Decade Team member who was also a collegiate head coach and athletic director at multiple schools. Surely that was a silly AFD even way back in 2005, no? Lizard (talk) 07:13, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thanks for making recent edits to the lead section of Los Angeles, California. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 17:55, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

NFL year naming conventions[edit]

I opened a topic under the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Football League about the naming conventions for individual playoff games. In moving the article, you claimed that the NFL naming conventions reflect the year of the regular season. However, under the naming conventions in the NFL WikiProject, naming the year of individual playoff games is not discussed. A cursory search online also reflects both 1998 and 1999 as the year for this game. Feel free to contribute to the discussion. Helltopay-27 (talk) 19:32, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Copying within Wikipedia requires proper attribution[edit]

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WP:TEMPLAR. I meant to change the edit summary to indicate that specific article before hitting submit. Looks like I did not. Zzyzx11 (talk) 13:41, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Switching Muni and BART s-rail[edit]

I see you were the creator of a number of the s-rail templates for Muni and BART about a decade ago. Right now, their directionality is non-intuitive: "previous" (left) corresponds to the inbound (Muni) or East Bay-bound (BART) direction. Would you bear any major objection to me switching the directionality? Thanks, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 00:32, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

I don't care. I think I just created them to get them going. When I created the BART templates first, I think I originally based it off of the fact that their long descriptive names of the BART lines, like Dublin/Pleasanton–Daly City line, lists the East Bay destination first. And so when I went on to create the MUNI ones, I did it so the directions match, especially for those dual stations along the Market Street Subway. Zzyzx11 (talk) 16:46, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanation - and thanks for your work in creating these originally! I'm going to figure out how to pull off the switch as efficiently as possible to minimize disruption. Maybe someday BART will use more intuitive names; as a new Bay Area resident, it's rather confusing sometimes - especially when a train is announced only by its short turn location. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 19:23, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

San Francisco Bay Area article[edit]

Hey there, I know your banner says that you are semi-retired, but I noticed that you made some edits to the San Francisco Bay Area article recently. I am currently re-doing the article from the ground up, as it has several issues – it has multiple empty sections, is largely unsourced, and is not particularly well organized. I have a running draft up at my sandbox right now, and would appreciate it if you could take some time too look at it, and maybe contribute a bit here or there.

Thank you again! --haha169 (talk) 15:10, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Long-term significance of organ[edit]

That statement in our discussion made me chuckle.

Far in the future we will listen to synthesized music probably on outer planets, and the instrument organ will be long forgotten. We as humans will still however consist of organs or synthetic substitutes thereof, plagued by disease, needing replacement, awaiting improvement, and so on... so I can say with confidence the long-term significance of our internal organs, a key constituent to life, will outlong that of the instrument

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User: Zanygenius potential recovery of Iceland Sea[edit]

@Zzyzx11: Please reply as soon as possible, but don't rush it :).

Greetings, (good evening for me) @Zzyzx11: and I understand of you don't respond swiftly (based on your note). However, I would like your input on the deletion of Iceland Sea, as I was scrolling the Special: Most Wanted Pages to see your page with over 4K links, so I was going to take it under my wings. Before I do (or don't), I would really make sure I know your purpose so I don't leave a mess in the house. Thank you.

Sincerely, User: Zanygenius(talk page) 00:27, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

@Zanygenius: I'm not sure why you are messaging Zzyzx11 as he didn't create the deleted article on the Iceland Sea. For what it's worth the deleted article consisted of two sentences so if you want to have a go at an article on that topic, just go ahead. Nthep (talk) 20:08, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
@Nthep: Hi, that's what I've heard from the Village Pump(technical). Though that's exactly the confusion that sent me there to ask for a Hide Deleted articles button, as the page I was sent to said User: Zzyzx11 was the guy.
I do thank you for the clarification and suggestion, which I will take into consideration, and likely do. Also, for jumping in and providing a fast response for me. I just think they ought nto get a button for it.
Sincerely, User: Zanygenius(talk page) 20:26, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
I'm still puzzled where you saw my username. If you clicked on Iceland Sea, the page should have displayed the actual admin who deleted that article back on 19-March-2016, which was Sphilbrick, not me. As stated in the reply to your question on the village pump (tech), "perhaps you are looking at another entry" by mistake.[1] Zzyzx11 (talk) 08:31, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
@Zzyzx11: I do find this to be the case, so it's good that you clarified that :). (I'm grateful for that). So, the article was deleted by Sphilbrick for being to short? I'm trying to decide whether it's appropriate to approach (him?) about it or I would probably get nowhere. Advice?
Sincerely, User: Zanygenius(talk page) 14:53, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
@Zanygenius: I can help you right now. An article that is merely short is not sufficient grounds for deletion. Looks like the page was actually deleted per WP:G7: the original author of the page requested its deletion. There were never any references or citations on the article when it was created. Its two sentences just said, "Iceland Sea is a sea surrounding Iceland. It is in the Arctic Ocean". And then after about a couple of hours later, another editor tagged it for proposed deletion with the reason, "I can not find any sources that says the water around Iceland is called the Iceland Sea.". The original author then apparently agreed with that assessment and subsequently tagged it for G7 deletion. Thus, the article could probably be restarted again, provided that there are actually citations and references added to the page.
For what its worth, I just looked at all those links to Iceland Sea, and the count of 4K links is that high because it appears that most of them are on talk pages. This is likely because Iceland Sea is listed on Wikipedia:WikiProject Oceans/to do, which is posted on all those talk pages. Zzyzx11 (talk) 17:39, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
That sounds quite wonderful, @Zzyzx11:, perhaps today I'll make room in my sandbox for it and tomorrow I'll go take it under my wings. Yeah, I always thought that Wikis were for making articles better over time. :)
Sincerely, User: Zanygenius(talk page) 18:00, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
Is this all sorted out? To confirm, an article is not deleted for being too short. I don't recall this specific deletion. let me know if you need anything.--S Philbrick(Talk) 04:01, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
@Sphilbrick: I believe everything is being worked out, I'm just a little busy. According to my understanding, someone made it without much detail, no one picked it up, and so bthe article lived a short life. However, if I can do better, than it's mine. (By the way, I'll developed it in my sandbox first, and hopefully by February it will be done.
Sincerely, User: Zanygenius(talk page) 15:37, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
There's no dealine :) but I m a bit over-committed so didn't want to ignore this if I was expected to do something. Sounds good.--S Philbrick(Talk) 16:44, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
No worries here, I have picked up the article, but I am ensuring to not miss any details, so I'm grateful there's no deadline. You can check my progress by clicking on this link, I'd say I've made some so far.
Sincerely, User: Zanygenius(talk page) 22:01, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

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1998 NFC Championship Game for Today's Featured Article: 4 February 2018[edit]

Hello. I have requested the 1998 NFC Championship Game as the WP:TFA for 4 February 2018. If you wish to comment, please do so on its featured article request page. FunksBrother (talk) 19:23, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

I'm going to remain neutral. Might have been better to nominate it next year for its 20th anniversary. IMO, posting it on the Main page just because of "the potential of the Vikings making" this season's Super Bowl is just asking for a jinx :-) Zzyzx11 (talk) 02:59, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
I understand your stance. I wanted to reach out to the main contributors of the article. FunksBrother (talk) 03:28, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

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Inquiry from The Washington Post[edit]

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Your readers would probably be better served by the opinions of the others that you have attempted to contact. I was not editing Wikipedia when the ceremony was going on. And my recent edits to those articles were primarily maintenance, either before or after the ceremony (e.g. copy writing, correcting factual information when the article did not match the cited source, reverting vandalism). Thanks. Zzyzx11 (talk) 06:01, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your contributions on Oregon[edit]

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AfD - List of 2012 NFL replacement officials[edit]

Hello, I have created Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of 2012 NFL replacement officials (2nd nomination). UW Dawgs (talk) 23:00, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

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Re: CBS Sports protection[edit]

It appears that the IP vandal who's been vandalizing the CBS Sports page is back at it and seems to keep vandalizing it the moment the page goes unprotected. As I noticed you were the admin that protected the page the last time, are there any other options for addressing this? J. Myrle Fuller (talk) 22:35, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Editnotices/Page/2009 NBA Finals[edit]

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Dan O'Halloran[edit]

Hey, I recently stumbled upon this page and noticed in 2010 you indefinite locked it due to BLP violations. Seeing as it is 8 years later do you think it could be unlocked? HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 02:24, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

The guy is still an active NHL referee, correct?[2] Once these referees make a controversial call, or make multiple questionable calls in a particular game, it usually is vandalism/BLP violations from fans of the team that the call(s) went against. Just because it has been 8 years, all that means is they have not been able to vandalise O'Halloran's article. For example, I'm pretty sure that several Winnipeg Jets fans were just dying to vandlise the article after some questionable calls were made during the Jets' loss to the Vegas Golden Knights in Game 4 of the 2018 Western Conference Final earlier this year, in which O'Halloran officiated in.[3] But they were stopped by the article's semi-protection. There does not seem to be that great of a demand to make actual constructive edits to the page. Thus, I'm only willing to lower it to pending changes protection, and no further. Zzyzx11 (talk) 03:49, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
Okay no problem, do what you feel is best. I have expanded the article a bit (and I will continue to look into it) but I am autoconfirmed so it does not affect me. I know popular referees like Wes McCauley aren't protected and we manage it fine but he is well loved in the hockey community, I guess you could say [4]. I just wanted to make sure because I have stumbled upon articles that were semi-protected like 10 years ago for issues that occurred 10 years ago and the admin just never removed it. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 03:57, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
Yes, some article's like McCauley's never got protected, perhaps because it never had any vandalism. There are probably other articles where they were once locked, but another admin decided to unlock it. So I will not object if you get a second opinion from another admin, perhaps one who is far more active at WP:HOCKEY. It's just that I just do not want it under my name knowing how angry fans can be when calls do not go their team's way. Zzyzx11 (talk) 04:05, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
No worries, I respect your stance. If a problem ever arises because of the protection status then we can handle it, but you're right, there is no need right now. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 04:11, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

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Protection of referee articles[edit]

Hi Zzyx11. After a discussion at Bishonens talk page (see User talk:Bishonen#Angus Gardner) I was hoping to get some level of protection for active high level referees. I know you have done this for quite a few American sports officials so thought I would seek your input. It is also possible that opening an RFC on this could have the unintended consequence of removing protection from some of the articles you have already protected. I started a list of what I consider elite referees at User:Aircorn/Elite referees and so far have only looked at the logs of the American Football ones. I read the above thread so understand if you do not want to be too active in this, but I would appreciate any advice you have. Currently I was thinking of a form of rolling pending changes protection (say a year) to all those on the list (the above conversation just reminded me to look into NHL referees). That way if someone retires protection will naturally expire. Thanks AIRcorn (talk) 20:39, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

@Aircorn: I don't actively put these articles on protection or pending changes anymore (as you probably noticed, the newer NFL referees do not currently have any protection). There are articles where I once locked them, but another admin decided to turn it off.[5][6] I primarily starting doing the American football officials only because, at the time, it seemed like I was the only admin actively editing them. Those NFL referee articles are probably still under protection because there have not been any other admin to significantly challenge me to turn those off. I'm not familiar with the articles on most of the other sports, and which admins and editors are more active in those areas. I'm not in the mood to get into a dispute/discussion/wheel war with those who more strictly interpret Wikipedia:Protection policy#Vandalism and WP:PCPP ("[protection/pending changes] should not be used as a preemptive measure against violations that have not yet occurred"), and therefore they MUST see very frequent, repeated violations in the page histories of each individual article.
This reminds me of a 2013 proposal: Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/RfC to add Pending Changes to all BLP with few or no watchers. There was clear consensus against it. Although I opposed it for a different reason (that pending changes should not be used as a mere substitute for the lack of page watchers), it seemed that many were against prepreemptive protection in general.
Therefore, if you do post your proposal on WT:PPOL or WP:VPP, I fully expect that you would get opposition from those who strictly follow those policy protection rules. I could probably predict what they would argue: "Articles like Deniz Aytekin are barely edited during the off-season." "There has been no evidence of frequent and repeated vandalism or violations on article like Aleem Dar within the past couple of years." "Blocking users and putting the articles on semi-protection for a few months is sufficient. If vandalism is solely the result of a news spike because of a recent controversial call, there is no need for long-term protection because, again, there is no evidence that it will be regularly edited during the off-season." Again, this would be a significant policy change for a whole class of articles (referees and umpires), and I do not believe it would pass without some sort of fight from them. Because if it does, somebody could propose similar preemptive protection to another class of articles, and then it becomes a slippery slope. I'm sorry if this seems like a long reply, and I cannot give you a more positive spin on your chances, but that is based on that 2013 proposal and other experiences here. Zzyzx11 (talk) 05:22, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
I am glad you gave a long detailed reply so no need to apologise. It has given me a bit of a reality check on this area, I knew that preemptive protection was discouraged, but did not realise the level of philosophical opposition to protection in general. I am probably the only editor who watches referee and umpire across all sports. There are definitely some helpful experienced editors that watch sport specific articles though. As such I feel I could lay a decent case for referees and umpires in general as they are as a rule BLPs, poorly watched with virtually all ip and new editors adding vandalism or at best unconstructive info. The more overt vandalism is usually picked up by cluebot or dedicated patrollers so while often nasty it is usually suppressed quickly. However I find getting protection for the articles can be slow. I make most of the requests, but am constrained by my timezone and general inactivity, not to mention RPP is often backed up. The bigger issue to me is the subtle vandalism. At its simplest it involves changing the referees place of birth to the hometown of one of the teams the have just officiated. There are other subtle edits too and these can be easily missed. As you can probably work out from my delay in replying I am only finding time to edit here sporadically, something that will probably not change for a few months. It was part of the reason I became more concerned about these articles as my watchlist is pretty full when I do look. It also means I can't really commit to running what would be a contentious RFC and even finishing my analysis would be time consuming (I was hoping that it would show some clear trend that the articles you protected get much less vandalism than the ones that aren't). Thank you for your thoughts I may come back to this, but at this stage I will concentrate more on pushing the case for adding pending changes to individual officials next time they get vandalised avoiding the preemptive minefield. AIRcorn (talk) 21:25, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Stadium location maps[edit]

Aren't these infoboxes long enough already without adding 2 or three maps that are probably already used in the relevant city articles? Can you point me to the discussion where it was decided the maps are necessary? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 05:40, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Check your Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets: the option "Show radio buttons to switch between views of certain content, such as some maps". If you are seeing all 2 or 3 maps simultaneously, yours is disabled. It is automatically enabled for all unlogged IPs as far as I can tell. Various people have been adding these maps to some of these stadium articles, both inside and outside the infobox, so I went ahead being bold and put them all in for consistency. There is no discussion I am aware of for or against. Zzyzx11 (talk) 05:48, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
Ah ok, thanks. I still question their usefulness on stadium articles, but I'm not in the mood to raise a ruckus about it at this time. To me, it's just more clutter like comprehensive concert lists amd international soccer match tables. - BilCat (talk) 05:55, 23 December 2018 (UTC)