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This page is a place for you to '''tell the [[:usability:|User Experience Team]] what issues you encounter''' when using Wikipedia. We are already aware of many bugs and wishes, but we also want to provide an open forum for less formal storytelling.
We welcome your ideas, but please '''focus on the ''issues''''' rather than on possible solutions. If you want to propose a solution or request a feature, please do so but also tell us what problem it would fix.
Tell us your stories, tell us your frustrations. We will read them carefully and try to remedy as much as possible.
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== Changes outside of Vector ==
While I think vector is an enormous improvement over monobook, I'll be using modern until the day I die. One part of the annoucement in particular caught my eye - "''These features include '''an enhanced toolbar''', a new skin (which we named 'Vector'), and '''a number of other features'''...''" (emphasis my own). Maybe I haven't done my homework, but will the toolbar and other features change the other skins? They way they are mentioned outside of the vector rollout imply there might be some additions regardless of skin. ~ <font color="#FF0099">Amory</font><font color="#555555"><small> ''([[User:Amorymeltzer|u]] • [[User talk:Amorymeltzer|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Amorymeltzer|c]])''</small></font> 23:16, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:Hello, Amorymeltzer. The new features such as the new toolbar, dialogs for links and tables, built-in special characters, built-in cheatsheet, and collapsible left navigation bar will be released along with Vector. So non-Vector skins will not see the new features. Having said that, you can go to your preferences under "Edit" and enable the new toolbar for Monobook, for example, if you wish to try it out the new feature instead of opting into the default user interface.(Not all features are configurable by user preferences though.) We are sorry that we need to opt you in when we switch the default skin, even though you already know that you are going to continue using Monobook. The current MediaWiki architecture does not allow us to detect who opted out from the default setting, so the change will apply to all monobook users. It will be a one-step opt-out, just click, "Take me back" link when the switch happens. --[[User:Shuhari|Shuhari]] ([[User talk:Shuhari|talk]]) 21:46, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
::I use the ''modern'' skin, so no swap for me! Thanks for the note though - I've checked it out. Very cool! ~ <font color="#FF0099">Amory</font><font color="#555555"><small> ''([[User:Amorymeltzer|u]] • [[User talk:Amorymeltzer|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Amorymeltzer|c]])''</small></font> 23:31, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I meant to say modern, not monobook. Sorry about that. --[[User:Shuhari|Shuhari]] ([[User talk:Shuhari|talk]]) 00:47, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
== logo-search bar ==
put the logo next to the search bar like Google does!
== Leave it alone ==
I like it the way it is. don't mess with it.
your efforts are damn good...please keep it up....
== Printing tables ==
I'm fine with the default look, could you just change it back so that when you print an article with information in tabular form that the borders are printed too, like it used to be? For example, you print the wiki page on a musical album. The list of tracks look ridiculous without the border, why was this changed?
: This sounds like a bug. What browser/os are you using? [[User:Howief|Howief]] ([[User talk:Howief|talk]]) 02:33, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
== Reliability is sometimes the problem. ==
I hope that Wikipedia will appoint a group of people who will verify the articles edited, because reliability is the problem in Wikipedia nowadays. But, Wikipedia still remains helpful. Keep up the good work.
:There's a group of folks over on the [[strategy:Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Content_Quality_Improvement|strategic planning wiki]] addressing this issue. We'd love to have your input there! [[User:Philippe (WMF)|Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation]] ([[User talk:Philippe (WMF)|talk]]) 23:33, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
== Do Not Want ==
I do not want to be "forced" to have my skin changed to Vector. The clasic wikipedia style is monobook, which is why Wikipedia has created so many other wikis what use the same skin.
Vector should be '''optional''' where users can choose what skin they want.
I find Vector to hard to use, all of the bottons have moved, the sidebar is all different making it ''harder'' for me to use, not easier
Yes you can change back, but some pages still have vector skin on them, which is why I said it should be optional.
<span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:#D19FE8;">[[User:Sophie|<span style="background-color:#D19FE8; color:#E52B50">Sophie</span>]][[User talk:Sophie|<span style="color:yellow; background-color:#CD2682; border: 0px solid; ">(:</span>]]</span> 13:20, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:It is optional. When logged in, just click "My preferences" at the top-right corner, click the appearance tab on the page that appears and choose the "monobook" option. Afterward, follow instructions at [[WP:BYC]].--[[user talk:mono|<font color=" gold">m</font><font color=" orange">o</font><font color=" red">ɳ</font><font color=" purple">o</font>]] 22:06, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
== I love to switch languages ! ==
help seems that you are losing the easy poibility to switch from one language to another (preceding comment added by unregistered user on 11 May 2010 at 18:34 UTC)
::Wherever above IP has the info from, I hope the interpretation is wrong. The ability to click to the "same" article in other languages is helpful in several ways, and I hope it doesn't disappear! Thanks, [[User:Hordaland|Hordaland]] ([[User talk:Hordaland|talk]]) 22:07, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Interlanguage links in the left navigation bar will not go away. --[[User:Shuhari|Shuhari]] ([[User talk:Shuhari|talk]]) 03:48, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
I have been using Beta for months now, and i have no problems with it, and prefer it to the standard layout. however, sometimes i wish i could read articles in a larger font, and i cannot find how to increase the size. is this an existing feature i cant find, or is it not possible? that would be the only thing i would add.[[User:Mercurywoodrose|Mercurywoodrose]] ([[User talk:Mercurywoodrose|talk]]) 18:11, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:Either a) adjust your browser settings, e.g. using {{keypress|Ctrl|+}} or {{keypress|Cmd|+}}, or b) as a logged-in user, try going to [[Special:MyPage/vector.css]] (assuming you're using the new Vector skin) and adding the following line: <source lang="css">#bodyContent {font-size: 110%;}</source>
:Adjust the percentage there as desired. Cheers, <span style="white-space:nowrap;">{&#123;[[User:Nihiltres|<span style="color:#233D7A;">Nihiltres</span>]]&#124;[[User talk:Nihiltres|talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Nihiltres|edits]]&#124;⚡}&#125;</span> 20:10, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
== Wikepedia Problums ==
My name is Stevie, and I am 8 years old. I use Wikepedia all the time for my skool work. Sometims, it doesnt work verie wel. I hop you can fixe it. I dont want the enturnet to be brokin. Thank you. -Writin by Stevie Johnson
Stevie Johnson
8 years old
George W. Bush School, HI - Written by Lucy Johnson, Stevie's mom
I like wikipedia and I think that it is a great public service. Without it, everyone would have to be either experts in the given field they are working in or carry around heavy encyclopedias like the old days. Does anybody remember that?
== Missing buttons ==
I've been using the beta for some time now, and it works great! It is a significant improvement over the monobook and old toolbar. It appears the new toolbar is missing the strikethrough, hidden comment, and math formula buttons (even clicking "Advanced" in the new toolbar doesn't show them). The search and replace feature is also very nice. I would just like the buttons I mentioned added. ~[[User:NSD|'''<span style="font-variant:small-caps; color:green">Nerdy<span style="color:#0F0">Science</span><span style="color:#8d7">Dude</span></span>''']] ([[User:NSD/t|✉ message]] • [[Special:Contributions/NerdyScienceDude|changes]]) 22:12, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:While I'm sure the usability team will address your comment better in the long run, in the short run, <span style="color:red;">if you know some JavaScript</span> there's some [[usability:Toolbar customization|documentation on customizing the toolbar]] over on the Usability wiki. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">{&#123;[[User:Nihiltres|<span style="color:#233D7A;">Nihiltres</span>]]&#124;[[User talk:Nihiltres|talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Nihiltres|edits]]&#124;⚡}&#125;</span> 23:29, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:Update: I looked again at the usability wiki page, and there's code snippets you can add to [[Special:MyPage/vector.js|your vector.js page]] over at [[usability:Toolbar customization/Library]] for all of the buttons you've asked for. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">{&#123;[[User:Nihiltres|<span style="color:#233D7A;">Nihiltres</span>]]&#124;[[User talk:Nihiltres|talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Nihiltres|edits]]&#124;⚡}&#125;</span> 23:32, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks for pointing folks to the documentation on customizing the buttons. The usability team employed click tracking on the toolbar to determine which functions were the most commonly used. The ones that received the most amount of usage (e.g., Bold, Italics, add link) were included in the main toolbar. Others were included under Advanced, and a few were removed. In the future, we'd like to have a more user friendly way of customizing the toolbar. In the meantime, please use the existing documentation. And if there are individual functions that enough people feel strongly should be available by default, let's discuss. [[User:Howief|Howief]] ([[User talk:Howief|talk]]) 02:43, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:::The snippets work, but is there any idea what font the letter A used in the toolbar? I would like to make some matching icons. ~[[User:NSD|'''<span style="font-variant:small-caps; color:green">Nerdy<span style="color:#0F0">Science</span><span style="color:#8d7">Dude</span></span>''']] ([[User:NSD/t|✉ message]] • [[Special:Contributions/NerdyScienceDude|changes]]) 03:01, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Is [ this page] what you are looking for? --[[User:Shuhari|Shuhari]] ([[User talk:Shuhari|talk]]) 03:54, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
== Reading in edit box: refs in different font ==
When looking in edit box for the bit one wants to fix, it's often difficult to find that bit because of the long stretches of refs. I'd like to see them clearly marked somehow -- in boxes, in a new font or in color, for example. Thanks, [[User:Hordaland|Hordaland]] ([[User talk:Hordaland|talk]]) 22:15, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:Syntax highlighting is something that user experience team had considered as a possible feature, but it is currently in the back-burner. We hope to develop easy-to-interact with reference tool. By the way, have you used refTool gadget? It is pretty amazing gadget. My preferences -> Gadgets -> Editing Gadgets -> refTools --[[User:Shuhari|Shuhari]] ([[User talk:Shuhari|talk]]) 04:07, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
== New look... ==
*Can we still use the old format even after the new look comes in?
*Will there be downtime when the look is changed?
*Will anything be removed?
And above all...
*Just...just WHY?!
Answer me plz!
[[User:Starbox|S*T*A*R*B*O*X]] ([[User talk:Starbox|talk]]) 00:05, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, Possibly (hopefully not), Not really, To make Wikipedia easier to use.--[[user talk:mono|<font color=" gold">m</font><font color=" orange">o</font><font color=" red">ɳ</font><font color=" purple">o</font>]] 00:29, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::The goal of the Usability Initiative is to make Wikipedia easier to edit. The existing editing interface can be quite intimidating to new users, so we focused our efforts on improving the experience for the novice editor. Please refer to the [ Usability Wiki] for more details.
::You may check out the upcoming changes by clicking on the "Try Beta" link at the top of the page. This will take you into the beta experience, which includes all of the upcoming features. A brief summary of the upcoming changes can also be found [[Wikipedia:User_experience_feedback/New_features|here]].
::For users that would rather use the original features, we will have a "Take me back" link at the top of the page which will restore the original features. [[User:Howief|Howief]] ([[User talk:Howief|talk]]) 02:54, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
== Good, but not great. ==
Wikipedia is good, but they should have a rule that it HAS to be true. Some things on Wikipedia are fake. But I LOVE using Wikipedia as my online encyclopedia.
== I prefer the current format ==
I know you guys wanna put something new onto Wikipedia but IMO, I think this current format is more suited for me. If you're changing the format, can you give us the option to switch formats?--[[User:Hundred-Man|Hundred-Man]] ([[User talk:Hundred-Man|talk]]) 02:19, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, there will be a "Take me back" link for users who prefer to keep the original features. [[User:Howief|Howief]] ([[User talk:Howief|talk]]) 02:55, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
== wurt ==
I feel like I'm looking at a fucking over-bloated bug tracking system with this new layout.
Just because everyone else is fixing shit that isn't broken, doesn't mean you need to. Please stop.
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== windows 98 wireless ==
why is a manufacturers cd required for installation of a wireless network on windows 98
Because M$ was too lazy to include drivers in Windows 98 that suited your wireless adapter.
== Please provide a "Bookmark" facility! ==
Hi, my suggestion is that a tab called "Bookmark" should be added so an article can be "marked" as being of interest to the user (as is done in a "paper" book with a "physical" bookmark), without the need to keep it under "watch" (ie: in the user's "watch list"). <br>
The rationale is that for a bookmarked article no track of its changes would be kept, so the "watch list" is used only to keep an eye on the atricles that a user wants to change-control. <br>
I'm very frustrated that I have to "watch" articles that I'm not interested in verifying its latest changes! And it's not practical to mark the articles as "favorite" in the browser, as a user can access wikipedia from many different computers so the bookmark should be a function of Wikipedia and not of the computer/browser. <br>
Thanks & regards, [[User:DPdH|DPdH]] ([[User talk:DPdH|talk]]) 15:24, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
: One way to accomplish what you (seem to) want is to make a list on your user page. - [[User:Hordaland|Hordaland]] ([[User talk:Hordaland|talk]]) 15:34, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
== Single sign-on for all the Wikimedia projects? ==
I found that if I want to login, say, to the Italian Wikipedia with the user I have it the English one, it doesn't work. Why should I re-define my user in each Wikipedia and in Commons?? If there is a way to have a unified login, can you please explain me how? <br> Thanks & regards, [[User:DPdH|DPdH]] ([[User talk:DPdH|talk]]) 15:33, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:There is. For more information, see [[WP:SUL]]. [[User:Philippe (WMF)|Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation]] ([[User talk:Philippe (WMF)|talk]]) 16:09, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

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