Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bill Still (Historian and economist)
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 23:01, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Bill Still (Historian and economist)[edit]
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No references provided to support a claim to notability. PROD and A7 nominations failed via revert by "brand new" editors. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 08:13, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
- Keep, at least long enough to allow editors to develop it. I am not the original editor, but a quick Web search finds a number of resources that attest to the significance of this author and they could be used to fill out the article. These include:
- Griffin, G. Edward (October 11, 2010). "MEET BILL STILL, FIAT-MONEY ADVOCATE: An analysis of the documentaries Money Masters and Capital Crimes". http://www.freedomforceinternational.org. Retrieved 11 November 2015. External link in
|website=(help) - "The Money Masters (review)". http://topdocumentaryfilms.com. Retrieved 11 November 2015. External link in
|website=(help) - "Where The Money Masters producer Bill Still really stands on monetary reform". http://fauxcapitalist.com. September 5, 2010. Retrieved 11 November 2015. External link in
|website=(help) - Durden, Tyler (November 14, 2010). ""The Secret Of Oz" - The Truth Behind The Modern Financial System, And The Money-Political Complex". http://www.zerohedge.com/. Retrieved 11 November 2015. External link in
|website=(help) - [www.infowars.com/keiser-report-interview-with-bill-still-of-the-money-masters/ infowars.com is %5b%5bWP:FRINGE|fringe%5d%5d, does not meet our %5b%5bWP:RS|sourcing guidelines%5d%5d and should not be used "Keiser report – interview with Bill Still of "The Money Masters""] Check
|url=value (help). www.infowars.com/ infowars.com is fringe, does not meet our sourcing guidelines and should not be used. September 20, 2011. Retrieved 11 November 2015. - "Bill Still, investigative journalist and award-winning filmmaker of documentaries including The Money Masters, The Secret of Oz, and his latest documentary Jekyll Island: The Truth Behind the Federal Reserve will be hosting an AMA". 14 Dec 2014. Retrieved 11 November 2015.
Bill Still is a former newspaper editor and publisher. He has written for USA Today, The Saturday Evening Post, the Los Angeles Times Syndicate, OMNI magazine, and produced the syndicated radio program, Health News. He has written 22 books and three feature-length documentary videos.
- "Greece should leave Euro zone: Pundit". http://www.presstv.ir/. June 12, 2015. Retrieved 11 November 2015.
Press TV has interviewed Bill Still, an author with The Money Masters from North Carolina, and Sean O’Grady, a finance editor with The Independent from London, to discuss Greece’s debt crisis.
External link in|website=(help) - [http://www.wnd.com/2013/10/jekyll-island-film-documentary-4-95-today-only/ ""JEKYLL ISLAND" FILM SHOCKER: After a century of secrets, documentary finally reveals "Truth Behind the Federal Reserve""] Check
|url=value (help). http://www.wnd.com/. October 29, 2013. Retrieved 11 November 2015. - Scher, Abby (June 2013). "Banking on the Public: Going Postal, North Dakota, and Other Finance Alternatives". http://dollarsandsense.org/. Retrieved 11 November 2015. External link in
|website=(help) - [http://www.wnd.com/2009/11/117545/ "BANNED AT AMAZON! VIDEO EXPOSE OF ECONOMIC FRAUD: The Secret of Oz' filmmaker still can't sell on e-commerce giant"] Check
|url=value (help). http://www.wnd.com/. November 30, 2009. Retrieved 11 November 2015. - Nickerson, Mike (2009). Life, Money and Illusion Living on Earth as If We Want to Stay (Rev. and updated ed. ed.). New York: New Society Publishers. ISBN 9781550924411.
- Griffin, G. Edward (October 11, 2010). "MEET BILL STILL, FIAT-MONEY ADVOCATE: An analysis of the documentaries Money Masters and Capital Crimes". http://www.freedomforceinternational.org. Retrieved 11 November 2015. External link in
- Obviously, I realize these are not all high-quality references and I have not checked them in detail. But I do think they are enough to indicate a reasonable claim of significance.
- In addition to his documentaries, he is also an author. I have seen that he has written 22 books but I can't find them all - just:
- Still, Bill (1992). Legend of the Holy Lance. Lafayette, La.: Huntington House Publishers. ISBN 9781563840029.
- Still, William T. (1990). New world order: the ancient plan of secret societies. Lafayette, La.: Huntington House Publishers. ISBN 9780910311649.
- Still, Bill (2011). No more national debt (4th ed. ed.). St. Petersburg, FL: Reinhardt and Still. ISBN 9780964048553.
- (Sorry - forgot to sign when I wrote the above.)--Gronk Oz (talk) 11:47, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
- Seriously? He's notable because someone wrote about him at wnd.com and the like? Those references are awful. I think you've reinforced the case for deletion. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 12:26, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
- The article is obviously in poor shape, and at the moment it does not provide the evidence to prove notability. But as the guidelines say, "If an article fails to cite sufficient sources to demonstrate the notability of its subject, look for sources yourself". And I found enough in a few minutes to incline me towards allowing time for the author to work on it and see whether they can bring the article up to scratch.--Gronk Oz (talk) 07:41, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
- Seriously? He's notable because someone wrote about him at wnd.com and the like? Those references are awful. I think you've reinforced the case for deletion. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 12:26, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
- No, those sources don't support that notion -- they're crap. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 18:35, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
- Comment**. I'm not sure that this subject is notable enough for an article, but I would note that we have already been through this issue before. Wikipedia had an article entitled "Bill Still" and an article entitled "The Money Masters", both of which were deleted a while back. Famspear (talk) 13:37, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
- Comment. I have to say that the list, in the proposed article, of Bill Still's "accomplishments" is pretty funny, though. Famspear (talk) 13:45, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
- Delete. Upon reflection, the subject does not appear to be notable enough for a Wikipedia article. As noted above, a prior article on Bill Still was deleted from Wikipedia some time back. Relatedly, an article on "The Money Masters" (his internet "documentary") was deleted, apparently around February 2008. Another article on "The Money Masters" was later created, and that article was deleted (around June 2013, I think). If anything, the current state of this article illustrates the lack of notability of the subject. Famspear (talk) 20:19, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.