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The result was delete. No independent, reliable sources discussing the topic in-depth were presented, so fails GNG, and no other guideline seems to be met. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 15:11, 19 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Jimmy Moore (author)[edit]

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Non notable. Fringe proponent of low-carb dieting. As it stands no reliable references on the article apart from low-carb primary sources. Cannot find reliable secondary sources. Fails WP:GNG Skeptic from Britain (talk) 09:19, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 13:07, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletion discussions. Skeptic from Britain (talk) 13:43, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. This is the most coverage of him that I can find in mainstream media; the rest are just mentions in lists of low-carb advocates. Catrìona (talk) 08:43, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Satisfies WP:AUTHOR Anarchie76 (talk) 13:01, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It does not satisfy WP:Author. He is not widely cited, hence there are no reliable sources that mention him. Skeptic from Britain (talk) 13:30, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Anarchie76: Care to identify the independent, reliable sources that would indicate passing WP:NAUTHOR? Catrìona (talk) 14:02, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The most reliable sources are as follows, @Catriona::
"The Complete Guide To Fasting" (Jason Fung, Jimmy Moore).
No. 1 in All Books, Amazon Canada. 16th October 2016
No. 4 in iBooks, 17th October 2016
No. 1 in Health and Fitness, Toronto Star Bestsellers, week ending 1st December 2018
No. 10 in Wall Street Journal Best Sellers List, week ending 11th November 2018
No. 1 in The Globe and Mail, Bestsellers: Self-Improvement, 29th October 2016
"Cholesterol Clarity" (Jimmy Moore, Eric C. Westman)
No. 1 in Nutrition, Kindle France, 22nd September 2013
No. 1 in Hot New Releases, Nutrition, Kindle Japan, 28th August 2013
No. 2 in Nutrition, Kindle Germany/Austria, 28th August 2013
No. 8 in Nutrition, Kindle UK, 28th August 2013
No. 1 in Hot New Releases, Nutrition, Kindle US, 28th August 2013
"The Ketogenic Cookbook" (Jimmy Moore, Maria Emmerich)
No. 63 in All Books, Amazon Canada
No. 1 in Cookbooks, Food & Wine, Special Diet, Healthy, Amazon Canada
No. 3 in Cookbooks, Food & Wine, Vegetables & Vegetarian, Amazon Canada
No. 15 in Books, Health, Fitness & Dieting, Amazon Canada
No. 3 in The Globe and Mail, Bestsellers, Cooking and Food, 15th August 2015
No. 9 in The Globe and Mail, Bestsellers, Cooking and Food, 19th September 2015
No. 1 in iBooks, Diet Cookbooks, 18th July 2015
"Keto Clarity" (Jimmy Moore, Eric C. Westman)
No. 1 in Low Carb Diets, Amazon.com, 3rd August 2014
No. 53 in All Books, Amazon Canada, 6th August 2014
No. 78 in All Books, Amazon.com, 6th August 2014
No. 85 in All Books, Kindle Canada, 5th August 2014
It is, of course, impossible to provide links for all these rankings, since they are in the Deep Web, but I'm sure you'd agree that ratings from consumers, putting their money where their mouths are, are confirmation of the notability of an author.
There are reviews by the ton on various websites such as Amazon, but since they're merely written by people who have improved their health through following the advice in the books, rather than by journalists and academics, they are of no value, so I shall not weary you by linking to them. Anarchie76 (talk) 23:20, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Those are NOT reliable secondary sources! Linking to books written by the author on Amazon lists is not what was asked here. We are after reliable independent sources that mention Moore or his ideas. None exist. By Wikipedia policy this article should not exist. The man is not notable. I do not believe these lists establish anything. Kindle? Amazon? Really? MatthewManchester1994 (talk) 00:16, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
With all due respect, the references I provided are reliable… they help to establish two things: (a) that Jimmy Moore is an author, and (b) that a great many people have bought his books, of course recommending them to others on the way. No claim has been made as to the significance of Jimmy's research (which would require peer review and secondary citations), simply that he is an author and that he has had a lot of influence. Consequently, he is by definition notable. Anarchie76 (talk) 00:40, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You have not provided a single reliable reference. If he was notable then some book reviews would exist. Publisher's Weekly, Kirkus Reviews, New York Times have never mentioned him etc. His only fan-base is the low-carb community, he has no mainstream recognition. MatthewManchester1994 (talk) 02:18, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Health and fitness-related deletion discussions. Skeptic from Britain (talk) 13:33, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep We should not just erase people or ideas from Wikipedia because of a difference in viewpoints.~ Mellis (talk) 23:11, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This same vote is copied over and over again by this editor in seemingly random AfDs. I would hope they learn how to quote a notability guideline or some other policy for their votes. Ifnord (talk) 12:41, 19 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Please note the above vote by Mellis has put the same comment on 5 afd discussions [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], the vote is driven by personal agenda not a Wikipedia policy. This deletion discussion has been put on twitter amongst the low-carb community [6] and is now advertised by Jimmy Moore on his Instagram [7] MatthewManchester1994 (talk) 00:23, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete The sourcing for this article is about as low-quality as can be imagined: what he himself says in interviews with his supporters, and the notoriously unreliable e-marketing rankings. (The NYTimes indicates what books were subject to largescale purchases, presumably for sale by the adherents of whatever the book is supporting. Amazon leaves them in.) DGG ( talk ) 20:52, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • In its present form, Delete. Not opposed to reconsidering, should proper reliable sources be located and integrated into the article. StrikerforceTalk 21:10, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete he does sell some books on low-carb diets, but he fails WP:SIGCOV.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:49, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per all of the above. This is a niche market. No significant coverage to satisfy WP:AUTHOR or WP:GNG. DeniedClub❯❯❯ talk? 09:52, 19 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete for failing WP:AUTHOR. Ifnord (talk) 12:41, 19 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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