Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mongo (Blazing Saddles)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Not clear whether there's consensus for a redirect; this may need further discussion.  Sandstein  12:34, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Mongo (Blazing Saddles)

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Minor character from a notable film. Article is completely devoid of any citations and barely any outbound links and the only inbound being the Mongo disambig page, the Blazing Saddles page, and alternate title, and the page creator's Talk.

The article content is simply a rehashing of the movie, explanation of the jokes, and descriptions of the film and filmmaking process. In other words, nothing but synthesis and OR.

There is not even any attempt made at establishing notability or impact on the movie or culture at large. Not only are there no references of any kind, but the two external links are both just to IMDb.

This article's "unknown notability" tag has been up for 30 months. Time to go. JesseRafe (talk) 21:43, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

• Delete:Redirect: Yes, it's time – per nom and per search. Debouch (talk) 22:18, 31 December 2015 (UTC) Redirect to Alex Karras. After all, that's where the subject is found. Debouch (talk) 03:09, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
• Delete No realworld notability outside of the film. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 10:13, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
• Comment - Is redirection to Alex Karras a reasonable suggestion? --| Uncle Milty | talk | 00:25, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

• Yes it is. (It seems obvious now.) Debouch (talk) 03:09, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

• Comment - I cannot imagine who would point their web browser to wikipedia dot org and then type into the search bar "Mongo (Blazing Saddles)" or even less likely en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongo (Blazing Saddles). I think I spent more time typing that out than the collective time any putative user who would be served by the redirect to Karras. There are no substantial inboud links to the Mongo page that would serve a redirect rather than just nothing. But I am, sure, do it if you want to. JesseRafe (talk) 15:43, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

One only has to type "Mongo (" when it pops up as an option. More important than this is that a general cultural awareness is more important than incoming links to a specific page. Sometimes who plays a minor character and how is more interesting or revealing than its technical relation to other characters, and this character (minor though it is) has international appeal. Debouch (talk) 17:32, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

All the more reason it should redirect to Blazing Saddles. That's where the most likely to be expected information on the character would be found, and if the querier already knows the character's name (which is not frequent and why many people start with the film or show first) then it should be no problem to find Mongo either in the plot or cast list and click on Karras's page.JesseRafe (talk) 18:43, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:17, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

• Delete simply altogether as it seems Alex Karras was known for other accomplishments other than an actor for which he had only a few works here and there. SwisterTwister talk 08:49, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

• What does this matter to someone searching for Mongo (Blazing Saddles)? And why should it prevent them from finding out what it is, who played the character, and what else this person has done in his career? Debouch (talk) 15:29, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

• Replace with Redirect: I like the idea of redirecting to Karras' profile. There is an entry in the Mongo disambiguation page for this usage. Dkendr (talk) 16:39, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
  • Then why not redirect to Blazing Saddles? That seems more relevant to the search. JesseRafe (talk) 16:41, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
    • If you specified Mongo from Blazing Saddles, you might just have specified Blazing Saddles and left out the Mongo. What do other similar situations suggest by way of precedent? Dkendr (talk) 19:42, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
• Delete. I don't see any reason for Mongo (Blazing Saddles) to redirect anywhere, since I don't see anybody ever typing that in as a search term. On the other hand, redirects are cheap, so I have no real objection to it. Change the entry under Mongo#In_fiction to point to Blazing Saddles. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:44, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.