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Defining the Caribbean[edit]

How do we want to define the Caribbean?

Antigua and Barbuda, Bahamas, Barbados, Belize, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominica, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Grenada, Guatemala, Guyana, Haiti, Honduras, Jamaica, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, St. Kitts and Nevis, St. Lucia, St. Vincent and the Grenadines, Suriname, Trinidad and Tobago, Venezuela

  • CARICOM; mainly a political and economic entity.

Also: List of islands in the Caribbean

I'd want to go for the broad definition, but noting that the boundary between the Caribbean and South/Central America is quite fuzzy.fledgist 02:07, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

I would also include those areas that share a coast with the Caribbean Sea. Texas, Brazil, Panama, Mexico, to name a few. These areas share a history intimate with the rest of the Caribbean proper.

Texas + Florida = Gulf of Mexico, No? CaribDigita 23:04, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

I don't think I've ever seen or heard Florida referred to as a Caribbean place. Bermuda, however, is a Caricom associate member and is sometimes otherwise considered part of the region, so they should be included. Beyond that (and the other Caricom official and associate members), the other islands that are washed by the Caribbean sea should be included since they are geographically and culturally part of the Caribbean; these include Puerto Rico, the US Virgin Islands, Martinique, Guadeloupe, Aruba, the Netherlands Antilles and wherever else I don't remember offhand. I don't think these are up for debate.

Then there are the countries on Central and South America that are washed by the Caribbean Sea but are not otherwise considered parts of the Caribbean. Their inclusion, I think, is debatable. Hairouna 03:34, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

In Trinidad and Tobago we would consider Belize, Suriname and Guyana all part of the Caribbean even though they are in Central and South America. This is largely because of the historical links ... there is a common use of English in Guyana and Belize and all three countries are in CARICOM. Dave Smith 01:18, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Guyana is also part of the East Caribbean Supreme Court circuit. It seems like half the judges in the Eastern Caribbean are from Guyana. Legis (talk - contributions) 17:01, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Coveraged of the Insular Caribbean[edit]

Although the mainland countries are, IMO, Caribbean, I think we need to start with more tractable issues. So to begin with I want to compare coverage of the islands: /Coverage

How is the table on /Coverage supposed to be filled in? --Gpyoung 4 July 2005 21:42 (UTC)

Good question :) I think we need to come up with what we think each entity should have (main article, etc.) and we score them based on quality of the article. Maybe:
Score Meaning
0 No article
1 Stub or short entry
2 Adequate article
3 Good article
4 Featured Article
How does that sound? Guettarda 4 July 2005 22:24 (UTC)

Ok-that sounds good-I can start on some of them tonight since I don't really have anything else to do. But another question-I just finished a re-write of the Cayman Islands article and its in good shape now but some of the more in-depth sub article (ie. Geography of the Cayman Islands are stubs-when rating an article should we look only at the main country page or at the sub pages? Please Advise. --Gpyoung 4 July 2005 23:43 (UTC)

One column for the main article, next column for each subpage. Should probably start with the standard ones and then break them down one by one. Guettarda 5 July 2005 00:28 (UTC)

Something that I have been noticing is that a lot of the sub-pages are taken verbatim out of the CIA World Factbook, and although this is good information -- it is nothing more than raw data. How do we want to approach these pages? --Gpyoung 5 July 2005 00:53 (UTC)

Change them, I think. You should have a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Countries. Guettarda 5 July 2005 01:14 (UTC)

Vieques Protests[edit]

The Navy-Vieques protests, which occurred from 1999-2001 were an extremely important event in the caribbean. It was the first time that the President of the US had to address an issue of a little island that it's part of Puerto Rico. So much coverege was given to the event on CNN and the international community. Maybe the article can get expanded an pictures can be added.<<Coburn_Pharr>> 5 July 2005 05:54 (UTC)

Good idea - we need to figure out what sort of things we want to do here, areas of collaboration, etc. I can see three separate categories:
  1. Making sure we have good core articles for each "entity"
  2. Making sure we have good coverage of major international issues concerning the Caribbean - like the Vieques issue.
  3. Making sure we have adequate input into articles which touch on the Caribbean broadly - Pan Caribbean politician and social movements, information technology infrastructure, trade and border issues, etc.
Guettarda 5 July 2005 06:07 (UTC)

Aves Island[edit]

I think we should include Aves Island somewhere in here. The territorial dispute regarding the territory typically reagrded as a Venezuelan possession but also claimed by Dominica. Any thoughts.Mad05963 19:52, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

An invitation from Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket[edit]

If you're a cricket fan, please come along to Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket. We have quite extensive cricket coverage, but as of date, unfortunately, no West Indian members of the WikiProject. We'd love to change that and develop our coverage of West Indian cricket. If anyone wishes to join, and also if you have any pictures you can share, please come along to WikiProject Cricket and helo, jguk 5 July 2005 07:04 (UTC)

Caribbean Portal[edit]

An anon added a Caribbean Portal yesterday. IMO, either we need to bring it up to speed, or it should be VfD'd. Guettarda 6 July 2005 14:57 (UTC)

  • I think it's a good start. Since I am presently in Guyana, I'll be focusing on Guyanese articles... I'm new to the Portal business, so I'm not sure exactly what needs to be fixed with that - but if I Figure it out, I'll work on it. --TaranRampersad 8 July 2005 06:10 (UTC)
  • The Question is do we really need a portal now or are there more important things that need to be dealt with? I think we first need to make sure the basic country articles are up to speed, then we should worry about grouping them together and running the portal, which seemingly takes a bit of work. But, that's just my opinion.

--Gpyoung 9 July 2005 04:59 (UTC)

  • Caribbean and West Indies and Antilles is not actually the same as the portal claims. West Indies has also several meanings. The Spanish used the expression Indias Occidentales (West Indies) to refer to the Americas as a whole, whereas the British used it to refer to their small Caribbean colonies or the Lesser Antilles. I'd prefer you guys to use the word Antilles if you only want to refer to the islands and exclude the rest, also to use the language in a more meaningful and less politicised way. You must know that Venezuela and Colombia both claim to be the most Caribbean places on earth. They have a strong argument to claim that, their coast lines on the Caribbean Sea are the longest of any other nation and they both have island territories on the Caribbean sea. Claiming that a few islands of the Caribbean are the entire Caribbean is to give credit to divisions established by the colonialists for political purposes. --tequendamia 03:59, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Active Caribbean Wikipedians[edit]

Feel free to add or remove yourself from the list at Wikipedia:List of Caribbean Wikipedians

Category:Politicians of Saint Lucia[edit]

A lot of article son Saint Lucian politicians were "batch translated" from Spanish earlier this month, and need work converting them into English (typical "babelfish"-like translation, many phrases that obviously don't mean what they did in Spanish). If anyone is interested, there's cleanup to do there. Guettarda 14:47, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Hmm. I just saw the entry for Petrus Compton, and added a sentence. Perhaps I should go back and add his nickname, 'Papo'. (We were exact contemporaries at Mona.) fledgist 19:19, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Minor note: oddities at Arecibo[edit]

I just did a bit of clean-up work on the Arecibo, Puerto Rico article. I found a couple of odd statements on that page that I do not know how to fix. They concern the local airport and basketball team. Could someone familiar with Arecibo please look at my comments on Talk:Arecibo, Puerto Rico and fix these? Thanks. — Nowhither 21:40, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

History of the Caribbean[edit]

History of the Caribbean is no longer COTW, but it still needs work. Guettarda 22:44, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Pictures of West Indian cricket[edit]

If anyone has freely licensed pictures of anything to do with the West Indian cricket team - players, grounds, crowdshots, whatever - could they let me know. I'm trying to get West Indian cricket team up to FA status and the lack of pictures is a big hindrance. Any help would be much appreciated, jguk 14:12, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Caribbean-related articles on AfD[edit]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Caribbean

  • Lord Cam - limited online presence by musicians from smaller islands should not be grounds for deletion. Guettarda 04:15, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
I was wondering if we should have something like this Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Australia for Caribbean articles up for deletion. See also Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting. It would be interesting to develop a kind of deletion criteria for Caribbean-related articles, which I think differ from the criteria that should be used for, say, United States-related articles. --Kewp (t) 18:29, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
Sounds good - we could add the subpage and start thinking about the deletion criteria (could use the talk page to get that started). Guettarda 18:35, 31 October 2005 (UTC)


Yes, I know, it's debatable (and much debated) whether Bermuda belongs on this page, but I have a request that you more than many Wikipedians might be able to help with. I was horrified last month to discover that there were only four geography articles about places in Bermuda, and that three of them were stubs. So, I've been "gazetting" the place. There are now 58 articles, plus maps and templates, but (you guessed it) almost all of the articles are stubs. Also, I haven't been there in many years, and much of my information may be out of date. If any of you know anything about the territory, and would be willing to check out the articles in Category:Geography of Bermuda, it would be very useful! Grutness...wha? 01:18, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

  • Bermuda and Cayman are both a bit tricky. They can't make up their minds if they are in or out. Legis 15:29, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
  • But isn't Cayman totally within the Caribbean Sea? I don't think there's any doubt that they are Caribbean.

Vgmaster 7 September 2006

New template[edit]

I have created the following template for the Caribbean, {{Caribbean topic}}. I would like comments regarding the locations I have included in the template. Locations in smaller caps are continental while those in larger caps are insular. An example of the template is presented below. Joelito (talk) 18:37, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

It looks good to me, but I am a but confused by the inclusion of St Pierre & Miquelon. Guettarda 20:11, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Fixed. Joelito (talk) 20:18, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Patua mija proposed deletion[edit]

Hi, an article on a language, patua mija, has been Prod'd. Hard to tell from the article, but it's possibly a Caribbean language. Anyone here know anything about it? Comments probably best at Talk:patua mija. Cheers, JackyR 15:30, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Baseball in Cuba[edit]

If anyone knows anything about baseball in Cuba, get yourself over to the above page and add a fact or two. Thanks!--Zleitzen 22:31, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Proposal for regional stubs[edit]

Hi! This is the first time I've come to join you. Please support my proposal for Caribbean-related stubs at WP:WSS/P. In time to come, we'll be doing a good service to the region and its WP readers with those stubs. --Slgr@ndson (page - messages - contribs) 22:27, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Turks and Caicos Islands[edit]

They have just undergone constitutional reform -- since the day before yesterday, their head of government is not Chief Minister any longer, but Premier instead... Does this also mean that T&CI status is at par with Bermuda's now, meaning they have the highest level of self-government possible? If so, the table and descriptions at British overseas territories should be adapted to that effect... —Nightstallion (?) 06:11, 11 August 2006 (UTC)


I think Caribbean regions, Cities, States etc. Need to be developed more and have more information on them.

I also propose an Indo-Trinidadian Article (or possibly an Indo Caribbean article) and a Black Caribbean Article. User talk:Caribbean1Caribbean1 20:21, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Dominican Republic[edit]

The Dominican Republic article needs a good going over by a group of editors. It has some really poor prose, such as "about 70% of all Dominicans are mixed" - "The Dominican Republic is a Hispanic country, therefore, as with all Hispanic countries in the Americas, its culture and people is derived predominantly from Spain" - "Democracy is not something that is born overnight, it takes time to learn its rewards and even more importantly; tolerate its hardships" and on and on. I wonder if editors could take a moment to comb that article into better shape.--Zleitzen 11:01, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Proposed WikiProject[edit]

There is now a proposed WikiProject for the Caribbean area, including all the states and territories of the Caribbean, at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Caribbean. Interested parties should add their names there so we can determine if there is enough interest to start such a project in earnest. I note that there already are a few projects dealing with specific areas of the Caribbean, and this project has no intention of "horning on" on their territory, or that of any WikiProjects which may develop subsequently. However, I do think that even one very general project right now is better than none at all. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 17:00, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

New Userbox[edit]

I have just just recently created a new userbox for people who live in the Caricom Area

Flag of CARICOM.svg This user lives in the Caribbean Community.


Flag of CARICOM.svg This user is from the Caribbean Community.

People from :-

should use this.

Caribbean1 15:33, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Caribbean Articles for Deletion[edit]


List of international cricket centuries at Warner Park[edit]

List of international cricket centuries at Warner Park (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD · Stats)
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A list for a particular cricket grounds is over-specialization. I see we have others. I don't thing they make any sense either. A list by team, that would make much more sense DGG ( talk ) 08:36, 6 June 2017 (UTC) DGG ( talk ) 08:36, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Your point is wrong. Citing the main international stats for a particular cricket ground is very precious. If you think it is no point, so according to your view, citing centuries for cricketers is also not worth. So delete all the centuries cited in each players' article. Providing centuries of each venue is worth just like a player scores a century to his career. Also, it is about international matches and international centuries. I don't think any bad about the articles. So keep them and edit in future. Gihan Jayaweera (talk) 02:21, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Weak Keep. Cricket statistics for particular grounds ("fastest century at X", "lowest score by Y at Z") are kept in the same way as they are for teams, due I presume to historical quirks in the different grounds, which would argue for notability to me. Whether it's an entirely encyclopedic subject I can't be sure, so I'm happy to be convinced in either direction over the course of the AfD. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 10:17, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
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  • Comment It could be merged to Warner Park Sporting Complex; that's not true of some lists of centuries for other more frequently used grounds, for what it's worth. Afraid I'm not sure if it's encyclopedic either. --Colapeninsula (talk) 11:08, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep. I know 'other stuff exists' isn't usually an argument against deletion. However in this case it might be. There are umpteen lists of this nature, covering every international cricket ground I can think of (and lots I didn't think of). Many of these lists are long-standing. This suggests to me that there's a consensus that lists of this kind are appropriate for the encyclopaedia. Neiltonks (talk) 12:27, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
    • I have not been able to find a similar AfD discussion related to international cricket centuries at a particular ground. Find one if you can. OTHERSTUFFEXISTS may not apply in this case. There are other articles too such as List of international cricket centuries at Lord's. Ajf773 (talk) 18:21, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
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  • Merge I can see a lot of space on main article and we can keep this article on the main until it becomes large enough to separate. Greenbörg (talk) 09:36, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete. While there is no precedent for these "List of centuries at x" articles, I propose delete based on WP:NOTMIRROR as this content can be uplifted from the ESPNCricinfo website. Ajf773 (talk) 18:21, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SoWhy 07:44, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ad Orientem (talk) 01:58, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Tend towards delete on the grounds of WP:NOTMIRROR, because I don't believe that a list of every century scored in international cricket is notable in an encyclopaedia, and because, in general, the content could be more usefully summarised at the article about the ground. Summarised rather than copied. Unlike the article creator I don't believe, either, that it is always appropriate to add tables of centuries etc... to articles about players - I would much rather see sensible prose summaries in the majority of cases. I could be convinced otherwise if someone can show definitive notability of a list of all scores of greater than 100 (and, by extension, five wicket hauls etc...). Blue Square Thing (talk) 07:22, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Merge into Warner Park Sporting Complex. Definitely NOT delete because the info is useful but probably in the wrong place. Jack | talk page 07:39, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Proposed deletions[edit]

Categories for Discussion[edit]


Elson Gaskin[edit]

Elson Gaskin (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD · Stats)
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No indication of notability in cited sources. Acting Deputy Governor of the Central Bank of Barbados post does not confer notability. ~Kvng (talk) 15:48, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

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Puerto Rico[edit]

Puerto Rico Proposed deletions[edit]