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Welcome to the dispute resolution noticeboard (DRN)

This is an informal place to resolve small content disputes as part of dispute resolution. It may also be used as a tool to direct certain discussions to more appropriate forums, such as requests for comment, mediation, or other noticeboards. You can ask a question on the talk page. This is an early stop for most disputes on Wikipedia. You are not required to participate. Any editor may volunteer! Click this button Button rediriger.png to add your name! You don't need to volunteer to help. Please feel free to comment below on any case. Be civil and remember guidelines and policy when discussing issues. Noticeboards should not be a substitute for talk pages. Editors are expected to have had extensive discussion on a talk page (not just through edit summaries) to work out the issues before coming to DRN.

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Case Created Last volunteer edit Last modified
Title Status User Time User Time User Time
Talk:Nikolai Gogol#Purging_WP:undue 1New DionysosProteus (t) 1 days, 6 hours Robert McClenon (t) 3 hours Robert McClenon (t) 3 hours
Talk:Han Taiwanese#Lead_sentence_WikiLink 1New Lemongirl942 (t) 3 hours Robert McClenon (t) 3 hours Robert McClenon (t) 3 hours
Last updated by DRN clerk bot (talk) at 04:30, 26 August 2016 (UTC)


Current disputes[edit]

Talk:Nikolai Gogol#Purging_WP:undue[edit]

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Filed by DionysosProteus on 23:33, 24 August 2016 (UTC).


Have you discussed this on a talk page?

Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

Location of dispute

Users involved

Dispute overview

The "ownership" of the writer Nikolai Gogol is an active cultural/political disupte between Russia and Ukraine. I was alerted to the unencyclopaedic activities by a similar attempt at Anton Chekhov. I am utterly indifferent to the nationalistic claims of either, having no connection whatsoever with Russia or the Ukraine. The article is being used to promote a political agenda. It requires editors uninvolved in either Russia or Ukraine cultural politics to help to restore an appropriate tone, supported by sources that, similarly, are uninvolved in the ongoing political dispute whose repercussions are being felt here in Wikipedia. The issue of nationality/ethnicity etc. should not be dominating the article on the writer, however important politically motivated contributors may feel it to be.

Have you tried to resolve this previously?

I spent some time carefully editing the article, removing blogs etc. used as sources, as well as cleaning up the structure of the article. It's being reverted and I can see there is little interest in following Wikipedia's policies in the matter. There is a long history of the same dispute circling again and again on the talk page. Nationality or ethnicity should not be the dominant theme of the article--neither Ukrainian nor Russian--it violates undue guidelines

How do you think we can help?

The problem is indexed to an external political conflict and is, as a result I suspect, ultimately intractable. My concern is with maintaining whatever objectivity and neutrality it is possible to achieve within those circumstances. That needs the assistance of editors more familiar with handling such issues, as I'm sure they often come up in those articles involved in other global poltical conflicts. There is a fairly clear line in non-involved sources. It requires other editors to help.

Summary of dispute by Iryna Harpy[edit]

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Summary of dispute by 94.139.128.169[edit]

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Talk:Nikolai Gogol#Purging_WP:undue discussion[edit]

Please keep discussion to a minimum before being opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary.
  • Volunteer note - There has been extensive discussion between two editors on the article talk page. The filing party has notified the other editor. The filing party has also listed and notified a large number of editors who have not recently been involved either in the editing of the article or in discussion at the article talk page. Waiting for a response from the other editor who has been involved in this dispute and from the multiple editors who have been notified but have not recently been involved in the article or the dispute about the article. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:41, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Filing-party note - I understood all editors involved in discussing the topic on the talk page needed to be notified. I haven't used this process before. Apologies if that wasn't what was expected.  • DP •  {huh?} 02:36, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Volunteer note - I see. It appears that the filing party listed everyone who has ever discussed the article on the article talk page, including last year. We will let them decide whether they want to participate. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:17, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Volunteer note - The dispute appears to be primarily between the filing party and User:Iryna Harpy. If User:Iryna Harpy does not respond, then, since dispute resolution here is voluntary, this case will be closed, and the filing party will be advised as to next steps. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:19, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Han Taiwanese#Lead_sentence_WikiLink[edit]

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Filed by Lemongirl942 on 02:04, 26 August 2016 (UTC).


Have you discussed this on a talk page?

Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

Location of dispute

Users involved

Dispute overview

The dispute concerns what term to use - "Han people" or "Han Chinese" when describing "Han Taiwanese". For example, "Han Taiwanese" are Taiwanese people of "Han Chinese" descent. I want the article to at least mention the word "Han Chinese" since multiple reliable sources use it and in English, "Han Chinese" is the WP:COMMONNAME used. Lysimachi, wants no mention of "Han Chinese" in the article saying than "Han Chinese" are different from "Han People". They have consistently scrubbed out any mention of Han Chinese, even going to lengths such as using Han people which actually redirects to Han Chinese. I have cited multiple sources but I'm unable to convince Lysimachi. I can cite the sources and explain my position, once ths discussion proceeds.

Have you tried to resolve this previously?

Talk page discussions.

How do you think we can help?

I think it would be good for a third party to actually hear both of us. I personally feel Lysimachi is acting based on the Chinese version of the terms, but this is English Wikipedia and we use the common English terms.

Summary of dispute by Lysimachi[edit]

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Talk:Han Taiwanese#Lead_sentence_WikiLink discussion[edit]

Please keep discussion to a minimum before being opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary.
  • Volunteer note - There has been discussion on the article talk page. The filing party has notified the other editor of the filing of this request. Waiting for a response from the other editor, since participation here is voluntary. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:17, 26 August 2016 (UTC)