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Case Created Last volunteer edit Last modified
Title Status User Time User Time User Time
Battle of Busan (1592), Battle of Myeongnyang Closed John21716 (t) 3 days, 17 hours Robert McClenon (t) 14 hours Robert McClenon (t) 14 hours
Killing of Tyre Nichols Closed WikiWikiWayne (t) 3 days, 15 hours Robert McClenon (t) 3 days, 5 hours Robert McClenon (t) 3 days, 5 hours
Schloss Fuschl Closed Jamesluckard (t) 1 days, 6 hours Robert McClenon (t) 15 hours Robert McClenon (t) 15 hours
2024 Libertarian Party presidential primaries New Dieselkeough (t) 1 days, 3 hours Robert McClenon (t) 15 hours 25stargeneral (t) 11 hours
East Palestine train derailment Closed Grinhelm (t) 14 hours Robert McClenon (t) 4 hours Robert McClenon (t) 4 hours

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Last updated by FireflyBot (talk) at 06:00, 24 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Current disputes[edit]

Battle of Busan (1592), Battle of Myeongnyang[edit]

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Filed by John21716 on 13:49, 20 March 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]
Closed discussion

Killing of Tyre Nichols[edit]

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Filed by WikiWikiWayne on 15:17, 20 March 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]
Closed discussion

Schloss Fuschl[edit]

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Filed by Jamesluckard on 00:29, 23 March 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]
Closed discussion

2024 Libertarian Party presidential primaries[edit]

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Filed by Dieselkeough on 03:38, 23 March 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Have you discussed this on a talk page?

Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

Location of dispute

Users involved

Dispute overview

The issue is in regards to a List of Candidates who are set to go into the 2024 Libertarian Presidential Primaries. One User is claiming that in order for an individual (even if they are notable on wikipedia) to qualify as being apart of the list, they must have had major media coverage, which in context does not ever happen. While third party sites, such as third party watch, and the candidates themselves saying that they are running, as well as FEC filings, Coverage in debates, participation in party conventions running on the ticket, does not matter.

Secondly, they consider the list, and the sources the candidates used on the 2020 libertarian presidential list to be insufficient and "bad editing"

They give undue weight to Joe Exotic, only allowing him to be present on the article as a result.

According to the policies on Notability, individuals on Lists do not need to be notable. Despite this, The user in question is insisting that they must be.

Mike Ter Maat, Jacob Hornberger, Lars Mapstead are all major players as of this time. And considering the limited media appearances of the Libertarian Party, The Limited sources at hand ought to be considered, due to it being a list of candidates, and not an article or biography for each one.

In context to the LP, Joe Exotic is an extremely minor player, who was actually expelled from the party, so giving him undue weight is absolutely inaccurate in all respects.

So, given the limited media surrounding it, the fact that the party is convention-nomination, the fact that each candidate is backed by multiple verifiable sources, including the FEC, The fact that there is limited media coverage, the Misinformation presented by the article, and the fact that Wikipedia's Policies are explicit about lists, some of the other candidates in the list need to be added.

At the Very lest it needs to be explicitly clarified that the list is very much inaccurate and misleading.

How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here?

How do you think we can help resolve the dispute?

I believe being able to add other candidates to the list, and to be able to loosen the restrictions an editor has been trying to enforce upon everyone, would help make the article more accurate and avoid misinformation currently presented by the article.

Summary of dispute by TheGuardianOfTheWiki[edit]

Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.

Summary of dispute by Trimetaveler1[edit]

I had posted my FEC filing number/date/website, but the code was admittedly sloppy. I am also a major player, I recently inherited some money, and plan on having a major tour with multiple parties and working with multiple candidates within the LP as I have been doing, but I am ready to go to the next level. I know some of you think I am a joke, but I have a 65,568 page Radical Restructuring plan, funding, and connections to the music industry, and pro skateboarding industry. I was at many state conventions as Jedi Hill's VP in 2020 and Vermin Supreme's VP for part of 2019 and drove Adam Kokesh's bus, and worked with Daniel Behrman. I also am friends with the late John McAfee and his wife. I also campaigned and signed up libertarians at music festivals all over the country (during the period of the LP's largest growth ever) But whatever happens, happens... worst I could do is post some screen shots for ten people to see... right? Furthermore... Joe Exotic is the biggest name to announce so far, Vermin Supreme received more individual donations than any LP primary candidate ever, and you guys said "comedy doesn't belong in politics" but are now trying to run Dave Smith. Vermin is gone, you missed your chance. It is obvious who the players are, and whose court they think it is, but I represent the voters, not your lame af caucuses, not the right ones or the left ones you fight and don't realize you are all there is... My idea is to prune the LP platform to one plank, and argue over adding new planks later as progress is made. But please keep fighting among yourselves, it only proves how right I am that the LP has become a dysfunctional embarrassment equally by both sides labeling themselves as the right and left. Only someone like Vermin or Joe Exotic, can save it. I am just a few people's 2nd favorite candidate, if I win anything it is by accident, but any fun I have is sort of like winning... So figure it out and let me know if I am cool enough or not.

Summary of dispute by 25stargeneral[edit]

Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.
This is pretty simple, all content on Wikipedia requires citations to reliable sources. I've tried to explain to these new editors that the candidates' own websites and press releases are not RS, to no avail. Independent Political Report (which also runs Third Party Watch) is also not a RS, and has been repeatedly rejected by RS/N as an "unedited link aggregator". If any of these editors are able to produce RS for the candidates they're trying to add, I'd be more than happy to add them to the article. I have never claimed that candidates must be notable under Wikipedia's notability guideline to be in the article; I have only said citations to reliable sources are required. 25stargeneral (talk) 19:57, 23 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

2024 Libertarian Party presidential primaries discussion[edit]

Please keep discussion to a minimum before being opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary.
  • Volunteer Note - The filing editor has not notified the other editors on their user talk pages. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:54, 23 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Corrected that mistake. All editors have been informed on their talk pages. Dieselkeough (talk) 18:05, 23 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

East Palestine train derailment[edit]

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Filed by Grinhelm on 16:56, 23 March 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]
Closed discussion