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    This is an informal place to resolve content disputes as part of dispute resolution. It may also be used as a tool to direct certain discussions to more appropriate forums, such as requests for comment, or other noticeboards. You can ask a question on the talk page. This is an early stop for most disputes on Wikipedia. You are not required to participate, however, the case filer must participate in all aspects of the dispute or the matter will be considered failed. Any editor may volunteer! Click this button to add your name! You don't need to volunteer to help. Please feel free to comment below on any case. Be civil and remember; Maintain Wikipedia policy: it is usually a misuse of a talk page to continue to argue any point that has not met policy requirements. Editors must take particular care adding information about living persons to any Wikipedia page. This may also apply to some groups.

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    Case Created Last volunteer edit Last modified
    Title Status User Time User Time User Time
    Adam Milstein New 81567518W (t) 12 days, 7 hours Robert McClenon (t) 3 days, 17 hours Metallurgist (t) 1 days, 16 hours
    Template:Vermont Closed Logoshimpo (t) 6 days, 20 hours Robert McClenon (t) 2 days, 3 hours Robert McClenon (t) 2 days, 3 hours
    George V New Pennine rambler (t) 2 days, 23 hours Robert McClenon (t) 1 days, 10 hours Pennine rambler (t) 3 hours
    Culpeper New CSGinger14 (t) 2 days, 18 hours Robert McClenon (t) 15 hours Robert McClenon (t) 15 hours

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    Current disputes

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    Adam Milstein

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    – New discussion.

    Have you discussed this on a talk page?

    Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

    Location of dispute

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    Dispute overview

    This BLP currently identifies the subject as "Israeli-American", which is an ethnicity. Per MOS:ETHNICITY, nationality should generally be favored over ethnicity. The subject of the BLP is a dual-citizen, therefore changes have been made from "Israeli-American" to "Israeli and American" which have been reverted. Some editors suggest that the way the subject is identified in RS should supersede the MoS.

    How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here?

    Talk:Adam_Milstein/Archive_3 Talk:Adam_Milstein

    How do you think we can help resolve the dispute?

    It appears there's a misunderstanding of the MoS, its contents, or applicability here that if clarified would resolve this issue.

    Summary of dispute by Metallurgist

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    As stated on the talk page, MOS:BIO does not strictly specify any construction, or even that hyphenation only refers to ethnicity, which in some cases would be absurd. Taiwanese-American is not an ethnicity, but it can be used on an article. Additionally, as I recall, all or almost all RS used hyphenation. And finally, the vast majority of article use hyphenation for Israeli-American, Canadian-American (not an ethnicity), Palestinian-American, etc. Further support for my position is on the cited talk page. ← Metallurgist (talk) 07:17, 9 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

    Summary of dispute by Kentuckyfriedtucker

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    Verbatim as stated before on Talk: Majority of editors who weighed in on this matter agreed upon "Israeli-American" in a previous discussion. The Israeli Americans page defines the label as "Americans who are of full or partial Israeli descent." Therefore, I believe "Israeli-American" would apply to Milstein by this definition.

    Was under impression a consensus was reached. Not sure why it keeps going to bat. --Kentuckyfriedtucker (talk) 23:11, 9 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

    Adam Milstein discussion

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    Please keep discussion to a minimum before being opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary.
    Thanks. Unless there is objection from other editors I am happy to move this issue to BPLN. 81567518W (talk) 14:52, 11 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think this just needs a definitive statement on whether one or the other is correct, or that it doesnt matter. My view is that it doesnt really matter and the weight of sources and similar examples backs hyphenation. I am not sure how BLPN would resolve this, altho I am not necessarily opposed. Really this whole thing is silly and a waste of time. Most (all?) editors, including the filer on one instance, back hyphenation. This is bordering on prolonged civil edit warring with no clear constructive purpose. Also, the dispute is over the interpretation of MOS:ETHNICITY, not the lede per se, as by the filers argument, it would apply everywhere. If anything, MOS:BIO talkpage makes more sense. But, this discussion had been had there several times over the years with no consensus every time, because it doesnt matter in the end. The MOS is a recommendation and guideline, not always a requirement. And actually, reading it again, and is used for when someones career is notable under both nationalities. Adam Milstein was not notable while solely an Israeli. While he has strong connections to Israel, his career is entirely American, judging by the article content.← Metallurgist (talk) 21:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

    Zeroth statement by volunteer (Adam Milstein)

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    I am willing to lead moderated discussion if at least two editors request moderated discussion. Participation in DRN is voluntary. If you want to take part in discussion, please read DRN Rule D, the ArbCom case on biographies of living persons, and the statement that biographies of living persons are a contentious topic. Please first state whether you want to participate in moderated discussion. Then state whether there are any content issues other than how to refer to the ethnicity or nationality of Milstein.

    I am willing to offer my opinion, but if I do that, I will no longer be neutral, and may not be able to lead further discussion.

    Are there any other questions? Robert McClenon (talk) 04:51, 15 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

    Zeroth statements by editors (Adam Milstein)

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    • I'm still unclear as to whether the other editors want to drop this altogether per Metallurgist's "it doesn't matter" comments. I'm personally happy to continue with this DRN or move to BLPN as suggested depending on what the other editors involved communicate they prefer. Thank you. 81567518W (talk) 18:14, 15 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
    • By saying it doesnt matter, I mean that there is no requirement in MOS:BIO to have it one way or the other. Its a mix of local preference and reliable sources. If the filer continues to insist on non-hyphenation, I will continue to insist on following reliable sources and local editorial preference. I see this as largely timewasting over a minor issue that could simply be agreed upon. Its not clear what the constructive purpose of non-hyphenation is. All in all, my arguments have been stated here and the above-linked discussion (here for convenience). ← Metallurgist (talk) 05:31, 17 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

    Template:Vermont

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    – General close. See comments for reasoning.
    Closed discussion

    George V

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    – New discussion.

    Have you discussed this on a talk page?

    Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

    Location of dispute

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    Dispute overview

    George V was given a lethal injection which killed him in 1936, his Doctor decided to end the Kings life. He had kept that a secret, the murder was made public by an Observer headline in 1986, as follows, "Doctor 'Murdered' Britain's George V" https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2519&dat=19861128&id=bkZiAAAAIBAJ&pg=2197,3764364 and that had been included in the article on George V, but then edited out, the citation has been present in the article for many years.

    The newspaper articles headline makes clear it was a murder, the word 'murder' has been edited out of the text of the article. I believe the article needs to be reflect the fact that the King had been killed, not simply died.

    How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:George_V

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bertrand_Dawson,_1st_Viscount_Dawson_of_Penn

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Pennine_rambler

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DrKay


    How do you think we can help resolve the dispute?

    The statement of fact needs to go into George V article that he was murdered and likewise the article about his Doctor who killed him should also state that he involuntary euthanised / murdered George V. 1986 headline on Dawsons diary being made public does state "Doctor 'Murdered' Britain's George V" I believe the facts needs to show in the articles? https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2519&dat=19861128&id=bkZiAAAAIBAJ&pg=2197,3764364

    A resolution was proposed but dismissed by DrKay.

    Summary of dispute by DrKay

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    As shown at Talk:Bertrand Dawson, 1st Viscount Dawson of Penn#False claims, Pennine rambler has consistently misrepresented sources. They do say again above. Pennine rambler claims above that "the murder was made public by an Observer headline in 1986". It wasn't. As stated explicitly by the Observer-Reporter[1] it was revealed in History Today by Dawson's biographer, Francis Watson. Pennine rambler claims above that the Observer-Reporter "had been included in the article on George V, but then edited out". It wasn't edited out. The citation is still in the article (ref no 126). Pennine rambler claims above that "the newspaper articles [sic] headline makes clear it was a murder". It doesn't. The word 'murdered' is only used by the Observer-Reporter inside quotation marks. Euthanasia, however, is used multiple times (without quotation marks). Pennine rambler thinks that euthanasia is murder e.g."killing someone no matter how close to death they are is by law in the UK criminal and an act of murder", "bringing forward a death is legally murder, hence campaigns", "It is a matter of basic fact that the taking of anothers life murder, even when that person is close to death". They are trying to further their agenda that euthanasia is the same as murder by misusing sources and ignoring sources that contradict their opinion. DrKay (talk) 08:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

    George V discussion

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    Please keep discussion to a minimum before being opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary.
    My response to above is on article talk page at George V --Pennine rambler (talk) 20:25, 16 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

    Zeroth statement by volunteer (George V)

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    Are the editors requesting moderated discussion? Please read DRN Rule X and state whether each of you are willing to take part in moderated discussion. Remember that Wikipedia should summarize what reliable sources say about the death of George V. Robert McClenon (talk) 11:36, 17 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

    I agree to moderated discussion. Pennine rambler (talk) 18:56, 18 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

    Zeroth statements by editors (George V)

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    • I agree that the article should summarize what reliable sources say about the death of George V, which is what the article does. Consensus at the article talk page is against expansion of the existing section, which is 8 paragraphs long with 3 of those paragraphs directly related to Dawson's actions. Project-wide consensus is against the inclusion of any unsourced content, original research by synthesis, or editorial bias that is not representative of reliable sources. I am willing to participate in a moderated discussion in good faith as long as the consensus of the community and wikipedia-wide policies are respected. DrKay (talk) 08:28, 18 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

    Culpeper

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    – New discussion.

    Have you discussed this on a talk page?

    Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

    Location of dispute

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    Dispute overview

    Disagreement over the inclusion of several independent infobox components that are not directly addressed by written consensus at MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE and example structuring at WP:USCITIES. ' Disputes over inclusion relevant to this DR request are as follows: |

    • Highway road signage (since removed from the page, but disagreement over that question persists nonetheless)

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    • The town's vice mayor (resolved on the page, but ultimately unaddressed by USCITIES guidelines)

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    • Transportation infrastructure (i.e airports, passenger rail connections (not addressed directly in discussion, but a.e.g. ports, bus services))

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    • More broadly directed, city area (land and water) and ZIP/FIPS/etc. codes.

    How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here?

    Extensive discussion at the talk page for the article in question Unofficial RfC which drew in users from WP:USCITIES Unanswered request for input posted at Template:Infobox settlement

    How do you think we can help resolve the dispute?

    Determine whether or not an RfC for guidelines at WP:USCITIES is necessary for outstanding disputes stemming from this discussion, given the fact that multiple disagreements over the correct path forward for content have now arisen from the original disagreement. Given that there is no clear consensus among editors, the two editors originally in dispute (Myself and Magnolia677) feel that such a discussion may be necessary. This will help to decide the ultimate fate of the page.

    Summary of dispute by Magnolia677

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    Summary of dispute by Waypoint47

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    Summary of dispute by ChompyTheGogoat

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    IMHO the scale of disagreement over this is vastly out of proportion to the actual issue on the page in question, largely due to pre-existing history between editors, and several tangents spun off in the discussion. I support the development of infobox guidelines not only to resolve this particular case but so there's clear consensus that can be consulted for any similar disputes in the future. Infobox templates exist for the purpose of consistency on pages within a given topic, so consistency on what information they contain seems like a natural component of that, and something that projects utilizing infoboxes should take responsibility for.

    Summary of dispute by Dgp4004

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    Summary of dispute by Traumnovelle

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    Summary of dispute by Sbmeirow

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    Summary of dispute by Nikkimaria

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    Summary of dispute by Moxy

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    Summary of dispute by Joy

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    Culpeper, Virginia discussion

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    Zeroth statement by volunteer (Culpeper)

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    I am ready to moderate this dispute if this is an article content dispute rather than an issue about whether the infobox guidelines should be revised or clarified. Please read DRN Rule X, which will apply until I know whether there is an article content dispute. Please state whether you think that this is an article content dispute or a dispute about guidelines. Please state what you want to change in the article, Culpeper, that another editor wants to leave the same, or what you want to leave the same that another editor wants to change. Alternatively, please state what changes you want to make to any guidelines.

    Are there any other questions? Robert McClenon (talk) 06:51, 18 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

    Zeroth statements by editors (Culpeper)

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