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I'd like to request a review of my first article. It's still very rough but before going further, I wanted to check first if it's notable and whether my 2 main sources are adequate. I also wonder, does this deserve its own page, or should it be a section in Biocultural anthropology? From first glance the fields seem similar, with biocultural anthropology being broader and ethnopediatrics just focused on kids, but I'm not sure and could use advice.

Here's the article: User:EllaQuince/Ethnopediatrics

Thanks in advance for your input.

EllaQuince (talk) 06:18, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

The topic is looks to be notable enough for an article, and it has some references, so you could move it to article space. If you can write four of five pages all up on the topic, then you would not want to merge it into Biocultural anthropology. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:57, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for your feedback, Graeme. I'm having trouble finding enough sources to fill 4-5 pages, it's going to be about 3 "scrolls" on my browser. I thought about merging it in with Biocultural Anthropology but the more I think about it, the two fields seem less similar than I originally thought - one is gaining popularity for its application in mainstream parenting practices, and one sounds more purely research/academe-oriented. My instinct would be to create the new page and let it get populated over time since it is still such a new field and more sources may emerge later. But it would be short. Any suggestions? (talk) 01:21, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Yes most pages start small and grow bigger over time. When it is in article space you give others the opportunity to add to it, or even just read it. In my opinion merging to a broader topic is seldom worth doing. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 01:31, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for all your help! I polished it as much as I could and have just moved it into article space. EllaQuince (talk) 03:37, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Starting an article about an online retailer,[edit]

Hi,Can someone please review my article and give me some help/advice? I found this great retailer and I wanted to start an article about it so other people can find it as well. I have the page up on my user's subpage at Even-Ours/ I saw all the warnings about starting pages about companies, so I was looking for help making it notable. Also, I do not seem to be able to list my references properly, and I want to cite the website. Thank you, Even-ours —Preceding unsigned comment added by Even-ours (talkcontribs) 19:51, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

I will take a look at User:Even-Ours/ Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:43, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
It is looking very like a press release from the company, it looks as if you want people to buy the balloons. This is the category of WP:Advertising. Also you need to find what others have written about the company. Newspapers, journals, magazines, independent web sites are the place to look. Don't worry too much about the format, just make a list of the URLs or refs down the bottom and put it in a ==References== section, and put an * at the start of the line in front of each one to make a list. Others can fix it up if it makes it into article space. I would expect the article to mention but this is not and independent site. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 09:27, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Fraternal Order of Moai[edit]



I'd like to request a review of an article I am working on in my sandbox. A previous article on this subject, which I did not create, was deleted in 2007 citing: CSD A7 (Group): Article about a club or group that does not assert significance.

I have gathered sources of information on the subject and wanted to see if this meets the standard now.


Thank you.

Geoffb91 (talk) 17:52, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

It is looking a lot better than the version by User:Chipandy that was deleted. Since you now have references in several newspapers, it should pass the Notability test. you could move it to Fraternal Order of Moai. Let me know when you have done so, and I will restore the old version as a history (although it is different). Then you can pick the best bits from it, giving credit to Chipandy. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:50, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
Thank you Graeme, I have moved the page to article space and I'll have a look at the history once you add that back. Geoffb91 (talk) 15:03, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
In case you missed it I have restored the history. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 06:42, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
I saw that, thanks. I have pulled some material from that into the current version and reached out to Chipandy also. I think this one can be marked done? Geoffb91 (talk) 13:03, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Not sure about a topic I want to write on[edit]

Dear reader:

I am keen on writing about Digicorp Information System Pvt. Ltd ( Please keep in mind, that I am in no way associated with the company. I have read Wikipedia article submission guidelines for companies.

Now, before I invest my energies into creating a Wikipedia page for it, only to be rejected when I submit it, I wanted to ask how feasible is it for me to write about the company. I do believe it is NOTABLE enough to be written about. I did a Google search for their name and it resulted 3030 results in Google(

Please let me know, if I should invest my energies into creating a neutral point of view wikipedia article page for Digicorp.

Socialwebcatalyst (talk) 21:20, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

The best way to make sure the article won't get deleted is to only write it if you have reliable sources to cite that discuss the company. A reliable source is one that has a reputation for fact checking and accuracy. This includes, but is not limited to, major newspapers and magazines. Remember, the neutral point of view is the one that can be backed up by reliable sources. Someguy1221 (talk) 01:43, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Dear reader:

Thanks for your timely response. I had chance to google for reliable sources for Digicorp(from reasonably solid publications). The following are the links:

Do u think these media mentions are good enough for Digicorp to have a page on Wikipedia? Please let me know.

Socialwebcatalyst (talk) 06:20, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Well the first two are major newspapers , so they should be OK. The Odesk seems to be independent, but I am not sure how reliable it is, it seems to be an example of the work of a writer you can employ on that web site. So overall you have probably demonstrated notability. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:45, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Blue Boar Club[edit]

I have just written an article about an Oxford Dining Society. Could I have any opinions/help with it please?! Thanks. The link is: User:Floreatm/Blue_Bloar_Club. Floreatm (talk) 20:16, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

The article looks OK in its format and style, but I cannot confirm it by a google search, the only thing that looks to match the topic is Noel Godfrey Chavasse found in Wikipedia. (and this is not a reliabe source) At least you have one book that can confirm some of the information. My concern is whether it meets the WP:CLUB standard. Take a read of that guideline and see if you can find the additional references to see that others have written about it. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:49, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
The problem I have come to is that it is a fairly secret society. It doesn't come up with anything on Google - I tried quite extensively myself - but I do think it deserves inclusion. There are quite a few examples of similar clubs that don't have any references outside of the local area in which it is invovled, such as the Stubbs Society. I shall, however, dig around for a web source. Floreatm (talk) 21:00, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Exec Digital[edit]

I've been involved in the magazine industry for a long time and I've taken a new interest to digital magazines - those that have decided to forgo the high cost of print and publish a digital-only magazine. I came upon Exec Digital, which has done just that. I tried creating an article, but it got deleted. And yet, I think Exec Digital is particularly noteworthy because an article for BusinessWeek, a said competitor of Exec Digital, discusses the magazine's decline in advertising and thus its effort to sell the brand.

I believe a company like Exec Digital is defining the direction that the magazine industry is headed. Being digital-only allows it to sustain costs better than traditional print magazines. It has US, Canada and UK editions. And its publisher, White Digital Media, also puts out trade magazines with the same digital premise, like Energy Digital magazine. Some reliable sources for Exec Digital include:

But then again, I'm new at Wikipedia and I'm not sure if these are considered reliable sources.

I welcome any and all feedback about my article idea and any suggestions on making my article meet Wikipedia standards.

Jseditor (talk) 21:57, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi there, you used the name Exec Digital, a business and lifestyle publication which sounds like a promotional title. However it was deleted for showing no claims of importance. the refs from independent newswire and businessweek make it sound notable, but press releases are not independent, and in your original article one of your refs was commented out, so it was invisible and therefore possibly not noticed. I would suggest the title as Exec Digital, and that you start it in User:Jseditor/Exec Digital, so that it can avoid being deleted for the CSD-A7 reason (no claims of importance), before you have it ready. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:55, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Luggage Forward[edit]


Several weeks ago I submitted a request for an article on Luggage Forward, a door to door luggage forwarding company based in Boston. Being an employee of the company, I was careful to note that I am wanting to create a page based solely on company merit and secondary press sources. I have linked several of them on the requested page for businesses and organizations.

I am curious as to whether it would be more appropriate by Wikipedia standards to make an additional plea here to have an offical editor create the page, or to create the page myself. If the latter prevails, than I would like would like some advice on creating the article in general, or any worthy advice one feels would benefit me other than the general guidelines posted throughout the website.

Thank you,

Antarcticmoon (talk) 19:28, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requested articles/Business and Economics/Businesses and Organizations is the correct place to request an article. However it can take years or never for someone to write one. Since you work for Luggage Forward it it places you ion a WP:COI position. Be aware that your company may also have concerns over what you write, and may place you in a difficult position. If you feel that you can safely write an article on the company, I would suggest that you start at User:Antarcticmoon/Luggage Forward. This is a sandbox for an article under construction, and will not be deleted as speedily as it would be in article space. Look for appearances in other publications, newspapers, web sites, and be sure to mention these as references. Try not to make it sound like an advertisement, but look like an entry from an encyclopedia. As an example look at TNT N.V. which is a notable courier company to see what kind of topic to cover in your article proposal. You can ask back here for an opinion on your sandbox. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:40, 6 October 2009 (UTC)


I appreciate your help, and I apologize for the delay in replying. I have a rough draft of the article on my sandbox, however I am having trouble constructing an infobox. Basically I applied the format from a template but it does not seem to be constructing. The tutorials are numerous and a bit confusing for a newcomer like myself, are there any tips you can provide? Not sure if you can see my sandbox as an administrator, the link is

Thank you again,

Antarcticmoon (talk) 18:29, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Michael McGurk (Australian_businessman)[edit]

This is article is about the murdered Australian business man for the Irish politician see Michael McGurk

Michael John McGurk 1964-2009

Michael John McGurk was born In Scotland in 1964 until he moved to Australia in 1997 prior to that he was using several different surnames on several British Passports. In 1996 A year before McGurk arrived in Australia Point Piper developer Ron and his brother Roy Medich bought a property in Western Sydney.In 2002 Joseph Logozzo was killed in a home invasion in Badgery's Creek. A year later Joe and Daniel Damjanovich owned the house that was shared the land by Ron Medich. Before Michael McGurk's assasination he secretly recording tapes about Mr Medich redevelop several Badgery's Creek properties. Labor powerbroker and one of Mr Medich lobbyist Graham Richardson knows McGurk was attempting to extort 8 million dollars from Mr Medich but the tape was useless.

Death of Michael McGurk conducting investigation On September 3 2009 a few hours after having a drink with mates at a Paddington pub. Michael McGurk was shot to death by an unknown killer outside his million dollar home in Mosman,because it was known that he also taped several Labor MP'S and officials linking to the Nsw Labor Party. Despite Nathan Rees popularity was low after he became Premier of New South Wales the previous September McGurk recorded it because The Labor Party was linked to corruption and also he wants to bring down the government. His 10 year old son heard the shooting and police found evidence that would to find his killer.

Parliamentary Inquiry and Aftermath Days After Barry O'Farrell called the Independent Commission Against Corruption for a full investigation Ron Medich was questioned by Greens mp Sylvia Hale "Did You have any involvment in the murder of Michael McGurk?". He replied "You're a shocker". Several people were involved in other McGurk cases including Underworld figure John Ibrahim,soccer star Lucas Neill and Neville Wran the former N.S.W premier —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikipudding (talkcontribs) 10:38, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Looks to be a good proposal, but see if the man stays notable complying with WP:NOTNEWS guideline. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 09:34, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Regenerative Commerce (creating my first page on a new concept ... i need help)[edit]

How does the support system work on wikipedia? I have a new concept that, because it is not formatted correctly, will be deleted. Need help on subject baseline description below. Vic


Until I get this page cleaned up, please do a google search on 'regenerative commerce' to find a cleaner page and related subject matters. Let me know your thoughts. Oh, and I could use help formatting this work to meet wikipedia requirements. Thanks ! Vic Desotelle :)


Regenerative Commerce

Regenerative Commerce is a system based on a broader understanding of what it means to develop technology and business. proposes that, using these principles, a region’s economic system can revitalize itself and perform beyond today’s assumptions and expectations. The following represent shifts in awareness of the models we use to create and innovate within enterprise. Note that a ’shift’ means we are including new information that expands existing models and does not mean that we are replacing them.

A Shift …

1: A Shift From Single -> To Triple Bottom Line Management

  Developing Evolved Organizing STRUCTURES

2: A Shift From Building Mechanistic Systems -> To Growing Living Wholes

  Advancing Technological PATTERNS

3: A Shift From Linear Sequencing -> To Nonlinear Cyclic Closed Loops

  An Integration of Value-Web PROCESSES

Principles of Regenerative Commerce’s long term objective is to create a global network of innovation learning centers. Each interdependent center will incubate innovative technologies and companies that can work for a post-industrial, globally-conscious society.

The concept, known as ‘Regenerative Commerce‘, will act as an integrating framework for incorporating principles of sustainable innovation for the realization of business products and services that work for our emerging global community.


1- Sustainable Design Techniques

 Closed Loop Systems * 7e’s of Strategic Innovation * 7 Elements of New Enterprise

2- Development Principles for Metabolic Growth

 Biomimicry * Ecological Systems * Permaculture * Knowledge Capacity * The Natural Step

3- Knowledge Distribution Methodologies

 Triple Bottom LIne * EcoManagement * Innovation Mapping

4- Regional Design & Dialogue Frameworks

 Cellular Communities * Conversation Word Map

5- Sustainable Enterprise

 Ethics & Ethics to Innovation * Values Considerations * Innovation vs Invention * Technology Council

6- Networked Communications Modeling

 Concentrix Management * Learning Exchange Markets

What are you’re thoughts? Contact me (Vic Desotelle) at —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vicdesotelle (talkcontribs) 21:13, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi there, your proposal looks like it is promoting discoveryfuel. If you can write a general concept article on Regenerative Commerce suitable for an encyclopedia then we can have it here. Your article would not be deleted because of formatting, as that is easy to fix. The more difficult thing will be to show that the topic is notable. Hopefully you can find independent people who have written on this topic, such as academics or magazines. If the topic is unique to discovery fuels then you may have a COI and it would be better if you worked on different articles in Wikipedia first to build up your skills. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:55, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Looking for feedback on my first article[edit]

Hi, I'm writing a business-related article, and would greatly appreciate some feedback, especially in regards to neutral tone. I think the business is very noteworthy, and I am also looking for more references. Any help/suggestions/feedback would be appreciated.

What I have so far can be found at

Thank-you. (talk) 20:53, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

One consideration is, is this your business or do you work for it? Read WP:COI if this is the case. your proposed article looks quite nice though. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:47, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Great, thank-you very much for your input!

Nate Waymire (talk) 16:59, 27 October 2009 (UTC)


What is that word?Henrylihehotmail (talk) 23:16, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

We ahve an article lol. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:57, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
although it is certainly not notable. -- (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:52, 31 October 2009 (UTC).