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Campus Ambassador application: USERNAME[edit]

Not done No response, no endorsements. — xaosflux Talk 22:58, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Alsdyqzkrya (talk · contribs)

  1. Why do you want to be a Wikipedia Ambassador?
    YOUR ANSWER
  2. Where are you based, and which educational institution(s) do you plan to work with as a Campus Ambassador?
    YOUR ANSWER
  3. What is your academic and/or professional background?
    YOUR ANSWER
  4. In three sentences or less, summarize your prior experience with Wikimedia projects.
    YOUR ANSWER (OPTIONAL)
  5. What else should we know about you that is relevant to being a Wikipedia Ambassador?
    YOUR ANSWER (OPTIONAL)
Discussion
If you have come here to apply for either the Online Ambassador or Campus Ambassador positions, please be aware that you need to have an edit history on the site so that you can be adequately evaluated by the team. If you are making your first edit ever on this site, you will also be automatically rejected unless you can provide other accounts that are yours. Thank you for your understanding, and happy editing! Do you have another account? — xaosflux Talk 11:46, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Campus Ambassador application: RachelWex[edit]

RachelWex (talk · contribs)

  1. Why do you want to be a Wikipedia Ambassador?
    I have been doing outreach for Wikipedia for a few years now at my university, and did not know that this program existed, so I thought I would make myself official. :)
  1. Where are you based, and which educational institution(s) do you plan to work with as a Campus Ambassador?
    I live in Minnesota and currently work as a librarian and associate professor at St. Cloud State University in St. Cloud, Minnesota. I am happy to visit any educational institution, library, archive, museum, or other cultural heritage institution to help them with Wikipedia efforts. I have already worked with St. Catherine's University, Minneapolis Institute of Arts, Minneapolis Central Library, and the Minnesota Digital Library, as well as St. Cloud State University.
  1. What is your academic and/or professional background?

I am a librarian. I have taught courses on social media, research strategies, and LGBT Studies. I originally started out as an English teacher and an ESL tutor. My subject areas of expertise include English, writing, higher education administration, social media, communications, history, LGBT studies, food in history/food in culture/food science. I write book reviews and encyclopedia entries related to LGBT Studies and food as well.

  1. In three sentences or less, summarize your prior experience with Wikimedia projects.

I have organized and facilitated five edit-a-thons at my university, and assisted in the facilitation of others around the state. I also create and edit Wikipedia entries myself, and currently am analyzing page views and edits on popular pages identified by WikiProjects in my areas of interest.

  1. What else should we know about you that is relevant to being a Wikipedia Ambassador?

I have over 20 years of teaching experience, and am accustomed to working with diverse populations, including people who speak languages other than English.

RachelWex (talk)

Discussion
Hi @RachelWex: - this program is mostly defunct so I'm not sure if you will find any use for it. Have you completed the Wikipedia:Training/For Ambassadors? — xaosflux Talk 23:02, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Campus Ambassador application: nitesh[edit]

Not done anonymous users can not be granted additional user groups. — xaosflux Talk 14:47, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

2405:205:1000:71F7:7922:44BA:AFBE:BFA8 (talk · contribs)

  1. Why do you want to be a Wikipedia Ambassador?
    Wikipedia is a online library where a student can find all the information more than a book. i like to spread it as much as possible in my college,university and the place where i live.As a campus ambassador i can guide people and can solve their problem i various issues and more .
  2. Where are you based, and which educational institution(s) do you plan to work with as a Campus Ambassador?
    I would like to work in JECRC University. In jaipur, Rajasthan and near all the colleges in jaipur.
  3. What is your academic and/or professional background?
    I am student of Computer Science and IT.
  4. In three sentences or less, summarize your prior experience with Wikimedia projects.
    Wikipedia help me i various ways, during my exams if i face any issue in some topics. If i like to know about any thing i trust on wiki and use it as my valuable resource.
  5. What else should we know about you that is relevant to being a Wikipedia Ambassador?
    As a wikipedia ambassadoe i have to help the readers online as well as offline, solving their issue and awaring them about various features provided by wiki.
Discussion
  • This looks like your first edit, and you appear not to have a registered account. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:47, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Copy-paste merging versus history-merging[edit]

Followup to the already archived Wikipedia:Education noticeboard/Archive 16#Proposal for update in the student instructions for moving drafts into mainspace. See Wikipedia talk:Merging#When to request a histmerge. You might consider making the archiving of this page a little less aggressive, so I'm not forced to create a fork of a discussion that's less than a month old. – wbm1058 (talk) 15:59, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

@Wbm1058: 7 days is rather aggressive, isn't it. I think that's a hold-over from when course announcements were all posted here rather than a subpage, making the page fairly unwieldy when not archived frequently. I've changed it to 30 days -- we'll see how that works. And thanks for the link. I'll take a look at this on Monday, but wanted to comment that this is definitely something we want to spend time on this summer, revising training materials prior to the fall 2017 courses starting. I've added DNAU to this thread to ensure it's here at that time. Also want to ping Shalor (Wiki Ed), the content expert working with that class in particular. --Ryan (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:29, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/688809 Memory/Archive. We need adequate notice of student editing, and course instructors shouldn't be assigning the task of writing multiple content forks of the same topic, leaving it for overworked volunteers to clean up. – wbm1058 (talk) 12:22, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

I apologise for dropping the ball on that one, I started preparing the page about the course but didn't share it on the announcement noticeboard. Advance notice of editing would certainly have helped, but the students' accounts remain blocked. Please could the blocks be lifted? Richard Nevell (WMUK) (talk) 12:29, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
I don't think just an announcement on a noticeboard is sufficient. Most editors are not monitoring these noticeboards. There should be some indication on the editor's user or user talk page, such as Template:Student editor (e.g., like this). It should link to their assignment, so we can see what their objective is. wbm1058 (talk) 12:48, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
Note how Wikipedia:Wiki Ed/Rutgers University/Languages in Peril Section II (Spring 2017) lists each student in the class, along with the titles of the Wikipedia articles that they are working on.
Wikipedia:Outreach Dashboard/Swansea University/LAA319 - Competition Law doesn't have a similar list of students and articles. – wbm1058 (talk) 12:53, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
OK, I see that course runs until 28 June 2017. Can these closely related articles either be merged, or clearly differentiated using WP:summary style so that it's clear they are not forks covering the same topic? wbm1058 (talk) 13:18, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
Just to comment on noticeboard announcements, though wbm1058 has since clarified that's not necessarily the question here, I don't think there's a formal process for announcing Education Program classes in general. Wikipedia:Education noticeboard/Wiki Ed course submissions is a page of notices automatically (or semi-automatically) generated by the Wiki Ed Dashboard), but I don't think WMF has incorporated an equivalent into the Programs and Events Dashboard (classes outside the US/CA), so the best way to stay up on that would probably be to keep tabs on the Dashboard itself. --Ryan (Wiki Ed) (talk) 12:51, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
Btw, Wbm1058, I don't know if you saw this, but from the page you linked you can click the "Dashboard" link at the top and then go to the "students" tab to see the list of students and assigned articles (though it looks like most have not added an article yet -- perhaps that's what you mean). --Ryan (Wiki Ed) (talk) 13:32, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, no I didn't find that until you pointed it out. But there I see "Assignment End: 2017-05-10", so it's not clear to me whether the course is still active, and whether the students will return to editing if their accounts are unlocked. Sockpuppet investigations isn't an area I'm active in administratively, so I'm unclear on proper procedures for reopening an investigation and unblocking editors... if we can wait on User:Bbb23 to do it then I'm sure it will be done the right way. – wbm1058 (talk) 13:43, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
  • I'll keep an eye on students doing this. This summer we're going to be working on refining some of our handouts and instructions, so this will definitely be something we look at. :) Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 12:55, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Frankly, folks, Wiki Ed drives me crazy. You have no idea how many cases are brought to WP:SPI from which, understandably, blocks ensue and then along comes someone to say, oh, these are students. How are we supposed to know that? There should be a clear notice on their userpage as to who they are and a link to the program. It would be better for you, the students, and the various unsuspecting editors at Wikipedia who become involved. I'm not going to spontaneously look at a Wiki Ed venue every time I evaluate a case. Unless you start cleaning up your procedures, this won't be the last time this happens. I will unblock the four accounts and remove the sock tags from their userpages (no need to reopen the case). Someone else can deal with the undeleting of any pages that were deleted. BTW, Richard, you should not have edited the SPI archive. Instead, you should have gone to Wbm1058, to me, or to an SPI clerk to make your request. I'm sure Wiki Ed is a lot of work and you, of course, provide a valuable service to Wikipedia and to the outside community, so I apologize for being, uh, brusque.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:22, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
  • @Bbb23: Every class working with Wiki Ed (the Wiki Education Foundation) should have a list of students on the course page, a tag on every student's user page, and a tag on the articles they work on (there are some exceptions to the latter based on the way sandboxes are handled). I think that you're probably talking about the parts of the Education Program that aren't Wiki Ed? That seems like it could be addressed by incorporating the templating procedures into the P&E Dashboard. @Sage (Wiki Ed): who is the best person to ask about that at WMF (or otherwise)? --Ryan (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:41, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
  • If the P&E Dashboard was set up to automatically create a page on-wiki listing editors involved that would be very helpful. Currently it has to be manually set up which relies on my (very much fallible) memory. Richard Nevell (WMUK) (talk) 15:41, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
  • @Ryan (Wiki Ed): Are you saying that this program with these users was not part of Wiki Ed?--Bbb23 (talk) 14:45, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Ah, I'll try to remember that. And here I thought the only Foundation I had to bitch about was the WMF. A new target for my irritation.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:59, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
  • I see that m:Education is a disambiguation page. It would be nice, and less confusing for unaffiliated, independent editors and administrators, if the Wikipedia Education Program, a program of Wikimedia Outreach (why is that page tagged as "historical" if the Education Program still uses their logo and Outreach has its own wiki?), had all of their chapters, including WMUK, using the same standards and procedures developed by the Wiki Education Foundation, which I presume is no longer a proposed Wikimedia thematic organization, as the disambiguation page still claims? wbm1058 (talk) 15:45, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
@Bbb23: WikiEd haven't done anything wrong here (and do an excellent job) this course is under my auspices rather than theirs. I agree that student accounts should include a note on their user page that they are taking part in an educational course and I will make sure that happens. Thank you for taking the time to unblock the accounts. I apologise for the extra work this has created and appreciate that it is taking up your volunteer time. Richard Nevell (WMUK) (talk) 15:39, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
@Richard Nevell (WMUK): Not to worry, many of my comments are tongue-in-cheek, although I have had some negative experiences in the past. This is the first time I've learned something useful, i.e., the division of responsibility. Happy teaching.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:44, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
@Bbb23: Yes, there are different hubs of activity. For future courses (not just this one but others I'm involved) I'll be making sure students have a notice on their user page and on talk pages as Ryan said is compulsory for WikiEd courses. Currently I recommend it for courses WMUK assists, but it should be a requirement rather than a recommendation. Please could 826540MAH (talk · contribs) 838181CDC (talk · contribs) 838463swanseauni (talk · contribs) Elinahh (talk · contribs) Nfyfe826276 (talk · contribs) also be unblocked? Richard Nevell (WMUK) (talk) 16:00, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 Done.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:37, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
An important responsibility for any class assignment, no matter which program advises it, is to put Template:Educational assignment on the talk page of every article being worked on. That's the first and foremost way to let other editors know that these are student editors, and not something else. Then, as also mentioned above, students should put Template:Student editor on their own userpages – and of course there should be a course page that clearly identifies the instructor. These steps can go a long way towards preventing such problems as mistaking student edits for socking, and also help a lot with keeping communication open with other editors. I think that all programs that work with student assignments should try to make these things clear to all classes they work with. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:27, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Automatic edits from Programs & Events Dashboard[edit]

@Richard Nevell (WMUK), Wbm1058, Bbb23, and Ryan (Wiki Ed): I'm currently mentoring User:Medhabansal for an internship project to enable edits from Programs & Events Dashboard, which would let us enable some of the edits that the Wiki Ed Dashboard makes on a wiki-by-wiki basis. The project just started, but hopefully within the next few months we can have the automatically-updated course pages and the userpage templates like for Wiki Ed courses. --Sage (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:58, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

That's a very encouraging development. Richard Nevell (WMUK) (talk) 15:14, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Wiki Ed Monthly Report for April 2017[edit]

Hi all. For those interested, Wiki Ed's Monthly Report for April 2017 is now available on Commons as a PDF, on Meta, or on our blog. Please let me know if you have questions. --Ryan (Wiki Ed) (talk) 22:01, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Multiple copyright violations[edit]

I have noticed many photos of chemists uploaded by students who are apparently working on this project: Wikipedia:Wiki Ed/UCLA/CHEM 172 (Spring 2017). Most are copyright violations - they are simply taken from online sources such as the chemists' pages at their academic institutions and then are misleadingly claimed to be the students' own work. ChemNerd (talk) 17:15, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

@ChemNerd: Yikes. Thanks for bringing this up. Looking into it now. Will post an update soon. --Ryan (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:39, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
@ChemNerd: We've reached out to the instructor to talk about copyright issues and make sure students have gone through the images/copyright trainings. In the meantime, we're going to go through all of this class's images to evaluate the licensing. Since chemistry is not an area I have much experience with, I'm not sure at what point an image of a structure is complex/creative enough to move out of the public domain. My impression is that an image like this -- File:ZntPP.jpg -- would be squarely in the public domain (i.e. PD-chem), but it's less clear when it comes to e.g. File:First infinitely repeating actinide metallocene polymer.png, which comes from an apparently non-free source. Or perhaps File:ZK-5.tif, although I have no reason to think this wasn't created by the student. According to the professor, most of the diagrams were created in ChemDraw. --Ryan (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:57, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
I only checked the three files about chemical structures that you linked here. The first and the third are fine, because they are described as "own work" and there is nothing inherently copyrightable about chemical structures, per se. However, the middle one is taken from a copyrighted publication, and as such, is a violation. It should be deleted both here and at Commons, but it can be replaced by an "own work" image conveying the same information. --Tryptofish (talk) 00:46, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
The files that I was most concerned about are the photos such as these: File:William J. Evans.png File:Dr Kimberly Reene Dunbar.pdf File:LMW cropped portrait (1).jpg File:Don Tilley.png File:William Tolman.jpg File:Clark Landis.pdf File:Prof che.jpg File:Doctor Karen I. Goldberg.jpg. For chemical structures, I think you are right that PD-chem will cover the simple ones but it quickly becomes a grey area once they become more complex and/or creative. Diagrams created by the students themselves in ChemDraw shouldn't be a problem in any way. ChemNerd (talk) 18:31, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. We've gone through the lot of them (and I see you've tagged several, too -- thanks). We tagged a few for speedy deletion, but I think most are actually alright (diagrams that, although the headshots clearly were not "own work", do seem to have been created by the students or in the public domain). --Ryan (Wiki Ed) (talk) 18:41, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Online Ambassador application: Muniranz[edit]

Muniranz[edit]

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Muniranz (talk · contribs)

  1. Why do you want to be a Wikipedia Ambassador?
    Improve an understanding of language translation in website especially Google and Wikipedia. As what I see it just a stepping stone before me make further step in collaborate with education institute for develop and growth wikimedia in Malaysia.
  2. In three sentences or less, summarize your involvement with Wikimedia projects.
    I use as a library for a data and information, I learning history of past and culture as it is useful like archive. Still need explore more.
  3. Please indicate a few articles to which you have made significant content contributions. (e.g. DYK, GA, FA, major revisions/expansions/copy edits).
    Wikimedia Foundation 2017 Election. Edit translation to Malay language.
  4. How have you been involved with welcoming and helping new users on Wikipedia?
    Not yet but looking for opportunity for it.
  5. What do you see as the most important ways we could welcome newcomers or help new users become active contributors?
    Improve second language as little contribution to public.
  6. Have you had major conflicts with other editors? Blocks or bans? Involvement in arbitration? Feel free to offer context, if necessary.
    Not yet and try to evade it.
  7. How often do you edit Wikipedia and check in on ongoing discussions? Will you be available regularly for at least two hours per week, in your role as a mentor?
    I just realize how i can contribute and soon i will regularly available to fill my responsible to/and contribute .
  8. How would you make sure your students were not violating copyright laws?
    I will learn how it should be done in track and catch the offender.
  9. If one of your students had an issue with copyright violation how would you resolve it?
    Give an advice and option with little extra reasonable timeline
  10. In your _own_ words describe what copyright violation is.
    Irresponsible, didn't have spiritual conscience in self believe.
  11. What else should we know about you that is relevant to being a Wikipedia Ambassador?
    I am Malaysian and as what i see there nothing related wikimedia with malaysia. it will be honor for me to be pioneer in this country.

Muniranz (talk) 11:58, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Endorsements[edit]

(Two endorsements are needed for online ambassador approval.)

  • Speedy decline for user with no experience on this project. OhanaUnitedTalk page 23:22, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Anyone here working with Deerwalk Sifal School?[edit]

I've had to oversight a substantial number of userpages from students at this school in the last few minutes. There's a suggestion that they may be part of the WEP; if so, can anyone who is in contact with their teacher please ask them to stop advising their students to post all of their personal information online? I'm not convinced they are (the school is in India), but on the offchance...

Fortunately the school seems to have been caught in a rangeblock for the time being, which has put a halt on the creation of inappropriate userpages. Yunshui  11:24, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

There's a page for Nepal on the Outreach Wiki, which includes emails but not usernames. Pinging TFlanagan-WMF to see if he knows someone who may know what's going on (or who can get in touch with the teacher). --Ryan (Wiki Ed) (talk) 12:55, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
If the school is in India or Nepal (unclear from above) my colleague NSaad (WMF) is the point person for the Asia region and may be able to connect them with some community members. I've reached out to see if she has any ideas. Thanks for the ping, Ryan (Wiki Ed)! TFlanagan-WMF (talk) 15:22, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
I've pinged the Nepal users listed on the outreach page, and have also contacted the school to see if they can send any educators our way. Thanks for making us aware of this! --NSaad (WMF) (talk) 23:21, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
Deerwalk Sifal School located on Nepal in this not any program conduct in this school. I will try to connect with Deerwalk Sifal School teacher or coordinators hope we reach soon Nawaraj Ghimire (talk) 04:41, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
Hi All, We Wikimedians of Nepal is running Wikipedia Education Program for a week. We've 22 students and 4 teachers taking part in the program. Students were given assignment to create userpages they were range blocked for the edits of the user not involved in our program. I'll soon make a proposal page and update with you. saroj (talk) 06:00, 21 June 2017 (UTC)