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Welcome to the Education Program Incidents page.

This page is for reporting and discussing specific incidents related to student editing and/or the Education Program on the English Wikipedia that require the intervention of experienced editors and/or administrators.

Topics may include:

  • Content issues created by real or potential student assignments
  • Unresponsive classrooms or those editing with poorly managed or structured courses
  • Classrooms editing without a course page or with an ambiguous page
  • And any other issue that might relate to student assignments

Of course, we should remain civil towards all participants and assume good faith.

  • Before posting a grievance about a user here, please discuss the issue with them on their user talk page.
  • You should generally notify any user who is the subject of a discussion. You may use {{ping}} to do so, or simply link their username when you post your comment. It is not required to contact students when their edits are only being discussed in the context of a class-wide problem.
  • Please include diffs to help us find the problem you are reporting.
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  • Threads are automatically archived after 7 days of inactivity.

Where possible and relevant, please include the following information with any report: Article(s), Course, Instructor, Online volunteers, and Student.

See also
  • Special:Courses (a list of courses using the Education Program extension)

Apparently a course from University of Notre Dame in Australia?[edit]


Both of these users are adding references with links to that university's library site and are editing about health (badly), and are completely nonresponsive. I have already reported one to WP:EWN and am about to report the other. Don't know if there is some course involved here. Jytdog (talk) 00:49, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

No incoming links to their talk pages, so it doesn't look like they're registered on a course page of any sort. Hard to deduce from the topics what the course might be. One positive - it looks like there's a DOI in the url of their university proxy links, so their sources probably could be deduced. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 03:49, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Maybe someone can help microbiology course[edit]

See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Sockpuppet investigation. Nil Einne (talk) 16:56, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Education program/B K Shah Medical Institute[edit]

Students from this course are actively editing/creating medical articles in mainspace and ~appear~ to have received no training; they are adding COPYVIO content, badly sourced (fail both MEDRS, RS, or both) or unsourced content, incomplete citations to the point where they cannot be used to verify content, etc. Please intervene. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 18:11, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

It looks like Netha Hussain is involved with that class. Have you tried to get in touch with them? Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 18:22, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
PamD and I posted at the project's talk page yesterday; no response and students are still working so I came here. Jytdog (talk) 18:24, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
I've had no response to User_talk:Netha_Hussain#Student_assignments of 21 August, and she has not edited since 19 August. PamD 21:06, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Presbyphonia was first created as pure copyvio, deleted, then recreated, and it now looks as if the editor has copied their supposed references from their sources, unread. When I queried the "telephone interview conducted 2014" (ref 3 of this version) they just removed it. No edit summaries, ever. PamD 21:11, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

  • Transoral robotic surgery has been a mess of copyright violations - I've reverted some, but goodness knows how little of the text is actually by the supposed student editor in their own words. PamD 22:51, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Note - I am going to start moving the new articles created by this class to draft space; editors in this class are not being responsive to notes about sourcing etc... Jytdog (talk) 21:55, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Jytdog, I had a similar experience with this class in its 2015 incarnation via AfC. Completely non-responsive student editors, no apparent monitoring of their work by the instructor, and massive copyright violations with material copied largely from textbooks. I agree about moving them to draft space, but note that their modus operandi in 2015, was to simply cut and paste their drafts into article space when the drafts were rejected. I suggest you keep all the ones you move on watch. They probably all need to be checked for copyvio too. The writing is often garbled because they copy verbatim and then proceed to remove random words or substitute them with inappropriate, misspelled synonyms in an attempt at "paraphrasing". Sigh. Voceditenore (talk) 07:22, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. Is there any way the Education Program can work on the instructor and if they remain nonresponsive, ban them? Maybe that is an ANI thing but I don't want to jump there. Jytdog (talk) 07:25, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
I have moved the articles to draft space that had not been worked over by the community, from this year and last year. Jytdog (talk) 02:01, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
Sorry for pitching in really late. I and the course instructor had an extensive discussion about this. He thinks that some students went on with the copyvios even after being warned to not do so. He has advised them against plagiarism again, and we hope it will stop now. To give the students a clearer picture of the writing style on Wikipedia, I have placed a grant request to conduct a one-day workshop in B K Shah Institute. Hopefully, this will solve the problem. -- Netha (talk) 20:00, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
  • @Netha Hussain: Have the students been directed to the existing online tutorial material? Have the instructors involved read any of the online giidance on running student assignments? Has anyone from their department made any attempt to monitor the students' efforts? Has it been pointed out to the college authorities how badly these poorly-written, copyvio, falsely referenced etc etc edits reflect on the academic standards of the institution? PamD 06:25, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
Yes, they are directed to at least some of the existing online tutorials. The instructors involved were sent the links to online resources on running the assignments. At least one person in the department is monitoring the students' edits, but I am unsure if the department does anything to revert harmful edits. However, the students have been instructed about copyvios and referencing. I had no contacts with the department until round 1 ended. Before Round 2 began, I discussed with the head of the department regarding the benefits and risks of participating in the program. The project page was created after obtaining his informed consent over e-mail. -- Netha (talk) 20:26, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
@Netha Hussain: The students may or may not have been instructed about how to write for the encyclopedia, but the student who created this version of Masked mastoiditis, at least, appears not to have heard anything:
  • Copyvio: "Clinical features" (and most of the rest, now I come to look) is lifted from this book
  • No sources cited
  • No links
  • No standard lead sentence (starts with "It is...")
  • Poor English ("The condition often result from inadequate antibiotic therapy" "but mastoidectomy show extensive destruction" etc) - apparently poor copy-typing from the book where the text appeared, by someone not careful to reread what they have typed, or not familiar enough with English to spot the mistakes. PamD 07:33, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
  • @Netha Hussain: I've just looked at one of the 2015 course articles: Arytenoid granuloma is entirely copyvio from this book. I hope the student was not awarded a pass for the course. If they were, then the instructors need a big "fail" mark from the Project! PamD 13:18, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
I see the copyvios, and I will inform the course instructor to temporarily suspend the program until the students are given a workshop about Wikipedia editing. Please note, the students are participating in the education program during their free time, and no grades are awarded for writing articles. This program is not a part of their coursework and their participation is optional. -- Netha (talk) 07:00, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/BQUB16-Mgravalos[edit]

I just chanced upon an SPI Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/BQUB16-Mgravalos. These may be students, see ca:Viquiprojecte:Bioquímica_UB on the Catalan Wikipedia. Can anyone help to verify? --Lemongirl942 (talk) 15:45, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Pinging @Kippelboy: from Amical. TFlanagan-WMF (talk) 16:38, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
Hi! Yes, they are biochemistry students from University of Barcelona. Teacher started project back on 2009 and each semester new students create accounts with the acronym BQUB16_username (for biochemistry University of Barcelona + number of the year + First letter of name + Surname). How can I help?--Kippelboy (talk) 06:09, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
Thank you. Looks like all is well :) The SPI was closed by Vanjagenije. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 09:03, 20 October 2016 (UTC)