Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge

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San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge[edit]

This was submitted previously. We have worked to address the concerns that were mentioned. This is the best example of an article of a bridge at Wikipedia. We are hoping to use this article as a model of what a bridge article should look like. -- Leonard G. and Samuel Wantman 18:02, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

  • Support--looks good to me, and very interesting. Forgot to mention earlier, but the pictures greatly enhance the article, especially good work with those. Meelar (talk) 18:32, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
  • Support--Incredibly good article, I like how you took most of the pictures yourself. PRueda29 (talk) 18:35, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Object - No references. Please do not nominate articles before they meet basic FA requirements. - Bantman 21:44, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
  • Object - Lacks a reference section. If some of the external links were references, please place them in a separate section. Also, I would like to see inline references for the bridge statistics so that it would be harder for someone to vandalize that information. Pentawing 00:07, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
    • Sorry about the reference section. They were mixed in with the external links. I've separated them and added some inline references for the statistics. I wasn't quite sure how to add the inline reference for the entire "The Bay Bridge at a glance section". I didn't want references on each line, so I added the comment "The following information..." -- Samuel Wantman 08:29, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Support. I think this is as thorough an article as can be written about a single bridge. As far as the references go, a lot of this is a matter of public record, so it's difficult to reference. However you seem to have addressed this issue. Great job! My only real objection is the mirrored use of the phrase "at a glance" on this page and on the CalTrans facts page. Semiconscious (talk · home) 21:25, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Support Weak Object mainly on style considerations. 1) The images in the middle are all bunched up clubbing the sectional [edit] buttons together. Add an image just after a heading. 2) "5.1 Eastern span name proposed" : a single subheading under a heading is bad style. Merge contents with parent heading. 3) Use the inline footnote style of referencing {{inote}} or {{ref}} instead of directly putting the link. 4) Could you modify this Image:Wpdms usgs photo golden gate.jpg to show where exactly the bridge is located? 5) Is the section "In fiction and film" complete? 6) When I first read this article I thought I was reading about the Golden Gate Bridge, (the construction does look similar). Could you mention something in the lead so that a person not familiar with this topic would know immediately that there are two bridges? Thanks =Nichalp «Talk»= 09:11, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
    1. I think this is fixed. There may be some differences in this problem from browser to browser, so let me know if this is still a problem. all the pictures are after the headings.
    2. This was changed to a heading "Official name" and I added some more information.
    3. You've lost me on this one. Virtually all the information in this article was found on-line. Most of the information comes from government websites, the California Dept. of Transportation site, and the SF Museum site. I don't understand what would be added by having the inline footnotes. It seems like just another layer of indirection. I can add the inline cites if you insist, I just don't understand why.
    4. I modified it, and added it at the bottem near the maps external links.
    5. I doubt this is complete. The bridge pops up all over the place in movies and TV shows. I think the most mentioned ones are here. These sections grow as people add trivia. I think most of these sections are way too long and mention far too much. If this keeps this from being a FA, I'll have to pass the ball to someone else. I don't particularly enjoy researching this sort of trivia.
    6. I've added a mention of the Golden Gate. Leonard and I are from the Bay Area, so we'd never confuse these bridges, but I'm sure you are not the only person to confuse them.
-- Samuel Wantman 06:50, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, the images don't conflict now. 1) I'd prefer you move "In fiction and film" to a separate article and link it from the =see also= section. Its more of a trivia section here, and as you say its incomplete. (FAs shouldn't be incomplete). Having a new page will allow people to expand the listing. 2) Some units are only in imperial units. I would strongly recommend metric equivalents be added for a wider audience. =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:53, August 26, 2005 (UTC)
1) A seperate article San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge in fiction and film has been created and linked.
2) All measurements are now metric or have metric equivalents.
--Samuel Wantman 07:24, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
Thanks. =Nichalp «Talk»= 13:20, August 27, 2005 (UTC)