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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Sarastro1 via FACBot (talk) 22:40, 29 December 2017 [1].

Super Mario World[edit]

Nominator(s): JAGUAR  21:19, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

I spent a fair amount of time nurturing this article after its GA status got taken away a few months ago, and now it's here. It was quite shocking to see how much little coverage this game got despite its magnitude and apparent status as the "greatest platform game of all time" (though you will find the original reviews gleefully exclaiming that "Sega does what Nintendon't"). As a result this article has a beefed bibliography (for VG standards) and relies mostly on offline scans—if you need access to one for checking please just ask. After a vigorous copyedit and polishing I think this article is ready to face FAC now. Thankfully I've learned from past mistakes and have corrected my habits for over-complicating things. JAGUAR  21:19, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Comments from TheJoebro64
  • Release dates in infobox should be sourced, if possible.
  • All released dates in the infobox are now sourced. Unfortunately I couldn't the Australian release date, so I removed it. JAGUAR  21:54, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
  • it was first released in Japan on 21 November 1990, in North America on 13 August 1991 and in Europe on 11 April 1992 Dates in the lead should usually be generalized, per WP:VG/DATE.
  • Good point—I've compressed this. JAGUAR  21:54, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
  • which led to fierce competition between the two companies.[27][19] Refs are out of order.
  • Fixed. JAGUAR  21:54, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
  • I'd expand a bit on the reception of the GBA version. It only says that it was positively received, with no context as to what was praised or criticized.
  • I've added a bit of context from the given reviews although I didn't want to expand on it too much. Also reordered the refs. JAGUAR  21:54, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
  • and innovative level design enhanced the overall experience.[45][43] Out of order refs.
  • Fixed. JAGUAR  21:54, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
  • The soundtrack and audio effects were also well received by critics.[43][46][44] I'd simplify to just "audio". Also the refs are out of order.
  • Fixed and simplified. JAGUAR  21:54, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
  • More of a suggestion, I would make the legacy section separate. It's not really part of the game's reception and is more about its influence on Mario.
  • I've separated the two sections. JAGUAR  21:54, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

I was actually thinking about taking this to GA before you did but I'm sure how I wouldn't have gotten as far as you did. Great work; once my comments are addressed. I'll support promotion. JOEBRO64 21:31, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

@TheJoebro64: that was quick! Thanks for taking a look at this. I should have hopefully addressed all of your concerns. I can expand the reception of the GBA port further, if you wish? I'll double check everything in the morning anyway. Thanks again. By the way, I was actually thinking of taking Super Mario Bros to GA before you had the same idea! JAGUAR  21:54, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
Looks like you addressed everything, so giving you my support. Good luck on this; I think you did an amazing job. Keep up the good work! JOEBRO64 22:35, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
Source review
  • NintendoLife --> Nintendo Life in ref 4.
  • Fixed. JAGUAR  14:04, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
  • GamesRadar --> GamesRadar+
  • Per WP:VG/S, website stylisations are almost never used. I've never seen the plus included before... JAGUAR  14:04, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Ref 64 is missing publisher's name.
This one? Yashthepunisher (talk) 14:51, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
  • @Yashthepunisher: oops, completely missed this one. Added website and publisher. JAGUAR  15:01, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Is "Cubed3" a RS?
  • Cubed3 has been listed as a situational source per WP:VG/S. Per this discussion it has been determined that for its use is acceptable for Nintendo related content. The author in question is also a developer and worked and worked at Cubed3 for eight years. JAGUAR  14:04, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Empire should be linked.
  • Linked all publications. JAGUAR  14:04, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Yashthepunisher (talk) 13:00, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

@Yashthepunisher: thanks for taking a look at the sources! I should have clarified all of the above. JAGUAR  14:04, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
Comments from Aoba47
  • For this part (It is the first entry in the Super Mario series developed for the SNES), I would recommend linking “Super Mario” to the article on the main series.
  • Linked. JAGUAR  19:12, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
  • The games Super Mario Bros., Super Mario Bros. 2, and Super Mario Bros. 3 is linked twice in the article.
  • Removed duplinks. JAGUAR  19:12, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Do you think that “Fire Flower” should be linked?
  • Good idea, linked. JAGUAR  19:12, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
  • For this part (If all lives are lost at any point in the game, the "Game Over" screen will appear,), do you think that “Game Over” should be linked? In this part, do you think that “Continue” should be linked?
  • Sounds good. Linked both. JAGUAR  19:12, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
  • For this part (Nintendo EAD handled development), I would spell out the EAD part as it is the first time it is brought up in the body of the article.
  • Written out fully. JAGUAR  19:12, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
  • For these parts (then-upcoming Super Nintendo Entertainment System (known as the Super Famicom in Japan)) and (to the limitations of the Nintendo Entertainment System), do you think it should made clear that these systems are commonly referenced as SNES and NES respectively? You have done so in the lead, but not in the body of the article.
  • Oops, done. JAGUAR  19:12, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
  • In this part (Super Mario World was ported to the Game Boy Advance), do you think that GBA should be added after “Game Boy Advance” in parenthesis?
  • I missed this. Done. JAGUAR  19:12, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Great work with this article. Once my comments are addressed, I will support this for promotion. Aoba47 (talk) 17:07, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the comments, Aoba47! Much appreciated. I should have addressed all of the above. Writing this article was quite an enjoyable experience. JAGUAR  19:12, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Thank you for addressing my comments. This was a very fun and interesting read and I enjoyed reviewing it. I support this for promotion. If possible, I would greatly appreciate any feedback on my current FAC? Either way, good luck with your nomination. Aoba47 (talk) 19:15, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
Image review:
  • I've rewritten the rationale. JAGUAR  15:17, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
  • I can crop Mario out of the image if you think that's best? JAGUAR  15:17, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
  • File:Yoshi-concept.png: I think this non-free use rationale is too perfunctory - would the article suffer severely from its absence?
  • Removed. I wasn't too sure how to phrase the rationale anyway. JAGUAR  15:17, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
  • File:Super Mario All-Stars and Advance.jpg: That one does most likely not meet WP:NFCC#8 - we don't need to see the covers to know that re-releases occurred. And even if, we'd need a better rationale for use not just the boilerplate for infobox/lead images.
  • Good point; removed. JAGUAR  15:17, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
Images have ALT text. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:22, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for looking through this, Jo-Jo Eumerus! I've removed the sketch of Yoshi and the combined cover arts image from the article. You're right, I don't think the cover arts served much of a purpose. I would prefer it if those games had their own articles anyway. Regarding File:Takashi Tezuka, Shigeru Miyamoto and Kōji Kondō.jpg, do you think I should crop it? JAGUAR  15:17, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
With the disclaimer that I am not a copyright lawyer, cropping out the Mario figure on the left may diminish the issues. A photo that incidentally includes shirts featuring a copyrighted character design may not be a copyright issue, but the current image has a little too much copyrighted character design. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:20, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
I've replaced it with a cropped version. I had no idea that having a mascot (nor shirts for that matter) in an image could become a copyright issue. JAGUAR  15:43, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
It can be. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:55, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
Comment from Jc86035
  • @Jaguar: Shouldn't this article be in American English, since it is AFAIK the primary variety of English used in Japan? Every other article for the main Mario series uses American English and the American date format. Jc86035 (talk) 14:24, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
  • No, Japan neither uses American nor British English as a primary preference. Super Mario Galaxy and a few others are not in American English; in these cases neither variant is better than the other. JAGUAR 15:49, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
Comments from Tvx1
  • The lead mentions all the re-releases. I feel that this year's re-release with the Super NES Classic Edition merits a mention here as well.
  • Added a mention in the lead. JAGUAR 19:23, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
  • The "re-releases" section contains the following passage with regards to the differences with the GBA version: "Other differences include the inclusion of Luigi as a playable character". That claim is simply wrong. Luigi was very much present and playable in the original SNES version.Tvx1 15:14, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
  • I wasn't aware of this, but then again I haven't really played this game vigorously enough. I've removed the sentence. JAGUAR 19:23, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

@Tvx1: thanks for looking through this! I should have addressed both. JAGUAR 19:23, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Yes it's fine now. I have no further remarks myself. I played the original on the SNES and I also played the GBA version (I still have it lying around somewhere along with my old GBA sowhere) and I now the SNES Classic edition as well. Luigi was present in both the original version and the GBA version but in a different manner. In the original version they worked in the classic two-player mode, with one player operating Mario and the other operating Luigi with both players co-öperating by alternating trying to beat a level an thereby progressing through the lands. Luigi was merely a palette swap from Mario having no other differences in their appearance. In the GBA version both brothers were present in the single player mode, with the brothers having both physical and behavioral differences akin to their appearance in Super Mario Bros. 2 on the NES, with Luigi also affecting Yoshi's behavior when riding him. The player was able to change between the brothers at will. Just in case, here is a link to the manual of the GBA version and here is one to the one of the SNES version. If you desire so, I could try to make a screenshot from the GBA version. Just let me know.Tvx1 22:21, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for uploading the GBA screenshot! I understand that Luigi was also a palette swap on the original Super Mario Bros (an article I'm quite tempted to push to FA once I get the energy). I'm unsure if it's worth mentioning in the re-releases section but the gameplay section already states that Luigi is the second playable character. JAGUAR 12:38, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Support – Have read-through the article throughout and deem it to meet the FA guidelines. Note that I have fixed multiple redirect links, of which you are free to correct if they are not directed at their intended articles. Good job! MWright96 (talk) 15:35, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Michael. Much appreciated. JAGUAR 12:38, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
Comments from The1337gamer
  • There is no mention of the coin-op arcade version of Super Mario World. You might have some difficulty finding coverage from reliable sources on it as the cabinet is quite rare. But for the sake of completeness, I feel like it's existence should probably be mentioned in the article. --The1337gamer (talk) 13:15, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
I did come across a mention of a coin-op machine during my research a few weeks ago, but thought it was too obscure to put in. But you're right, perhaps it does deserve a mention to bolster comprehensiveness. I'll see what I can do. JAGUAR 20:15, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Comments from Harry[edit]

Oooh, a video game I've actually played!

  • similar to that of earlier entries in the series, with players controlling Mario Don't use "with" to join clause like that
  • Removed. JAGUAR 19:44, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
  • populated with obstacles and enemies, with the player traversing the stage by running As above
  • Replaced. JAGUAR 19:44, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
  • which are lost when an enemy attacks Mario, falls into a pit of lava, or runs out of time The player loss lives when an enemy falls into a pit of lava???
  • Oops, I see how this sounds confusing. I've rephrased the sentence and added a couple of other examples. JAGUAR 19:44, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
  • If the player gets hit by an enemy Shouldn't "the player" be "Mario" here for consistency
  • Fixed. JAGUAR 19:44, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
  • permanently alters some sprites and the overworld map's colour scheme I don't know what that means. What are sprites (presumably not the soft drink!), and it might be easier to explain what the changes to the colour scheme are.
  • I actually wasn't sure as I never got that far into this game! After watching a few YouTube videos to confirm my thoughts, the overworld's colour scheme does indeed get changed from green to red, blue to green etc. I've linked sprite (computer graphics) and elaborated on this a little, hope that's clearer? JAGUAR 19:44, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
  • However, while resting on the beach "However" isn't adding anything there
  • Removed. JAGUAR 19:44, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
  • ever since Super Mario Bros., however, Nintendo However again; this one could just easily be a "but" or a "though"
  • Replaced with 'but'. JAGUAR 19:44, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
  • received positive reviews upon its release, with critics enjoying its "with" again
  • I've really got to stop doing this! Rephrased. JAGUAR 19:44, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Nothing major. You have indeed learnt from your previous nominations about over-complicating things! ;) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:06, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for looking through this, Harry! I should have hopefully addressed all of the above. I like to think that I'm improving myself after each FA, and now I really focus on getting rid of the "with" connective. You should have seen how awful my first FAC was! JAGUAR 19:44, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
It's a very common flaw. Tabloid newspaper editors like it because it saves on space but we're aiming for a more formal and professional style, especially for a featured article. Hopefully we all improve with experience. Anyway, happy to support. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:05, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
Thank you! I never grew up reading tabloids so I don't know where I get that habit from. I'll be sure to avoid using that connective for my next nomination. JAGUAR 18:31, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

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