Bruno Mars is a very successful singer-songwriter, who has sold 6 million albums and 40 million singles worldwide; with three of his singles being among the best-selling singles of all-time. We are nominating his discography to become a featured list because we feel that after our work on it, it now meets the FL criteria. Statυs (talk) and ΛΧΣ21™ 04:06, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 06:07, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
Same goes for singles, promotional singles, music videos
WP:OVERLINK does not apply for such links; if you were to ask an average person who isn't familiar with music terms what a studio album, extended play, etc. was, they probably wouldn't know what they are. They are linked once in the article, which is an appropriate amount. Zac 04:21, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
Avoid doubled periods in references, which is normally caused by cite template glitches
If you point me which references have doubled periods, i'd be amazingly glad. You know, looking for doubled periods is like looking for a mice in a 50-story building; awful and time-wasting. — ΛΧΣ21™ 04:23, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
All capped text in the references goes that way. Like ARIA stands for Australian Recording Industry Association and needs to go capped, as an example. I don't see any text in caps that shouldn't be that way. — ΛΧΣ21™ 04:24, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the support TB! Zac 07:15, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
Support. Although Bruno doesn't have much releases and this discography is small, it is well written, the tables are well organized and the references are in fine condition. Good job! — Tomica(talk) 16:57, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
I suppose so. Done. Zac 02:28, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
Where are the release dates referenced, and what territory are they relevant to?
The date they were first released, whichever territory that may be. WP:DISCOGSTYLE calls for the "Earliest release date". Zac 10:50, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, I'm not really bothered about DISCOGSTYLE, I'd like you to specify which territory each release date is relevant to, and provide a citation for that specific information. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:54, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
I've tagged a couple of the issues now. Also, the EP is not referenced in the citation you've provided. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:44, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
I'm unsure why, but the source doesn't name the title of the EP. Again, that is not a issue. If you think you need to cite the release date, you'd also have to site the label and formats, with your logic. This is a list. Zac (talk · contribs) 13:54, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
Of course it's an issue, it means the EP and its release and chart information is entirely unreferenced... And where did you get the release dates? If you could cite the label and formats, that would be a bonus too. Where did you get the information on labels and formats? And yes, I'm fully aware it's a list. What difference, in your mind, does that make to asking for verifiable sources? Also, according to sources I've read, it made it 97 on the UK charts, so why isn't that included? The Rambling Man (talk) 15:11, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
I don't exactly get the issue here. Are you asking an additional reference because the source given doesn't display the name of the EP? Doesn't the release/formats information already exists in the article of the extended play? As far as I know (and talking insode the FLC scope), the information may be cited if a dedicated article for it doesn't exist. Correct me if I'm wrong. — ΛΧΣ21™ 18:16, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
Yes, the information for this list should be verifiable within this list i.e. not assuming that because a link is blue, it's referenced. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:30, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
This appears to be a new opinion you've had, because I've seen you supporting FLs without such a thing. As for it's 97 position, that was on the UK Singles Chart. Album positions have to have consistency. Zac (talk · contribs) 23:27, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
It doesn't appear to be new, it is reasonably new. Just like making tables comply with WP:ACCESS used to be new. Why would an EP be considered on the album chart and not the singles chart? If it charted at 97 on either of the album or singles chart, why isn't that information included in this list? The Rambling Man (talk) 07:19, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
Key word, new to you. It doesn't appear to be any issue with anybody else. Another thing, shouldn't the release years of each single be referenced as well then, if so should the album release date? Take a look at the studio albums section, under UK. Tell me which chart that links to. There's your answer. Zac (talk · contribs) 22:08, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
Please consult WP:V for information that may have been challenged (i.e. like in this case). The Rambling Man (talk) 12:37, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
I have (finally) found another source for the 99 chart position, and added it to the article. I've also added refs where the date can be found. I hope you are satisfied. Zac (talk · contribs) 19:25, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
Resolved comments from Till 01:54, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
I'm not liking the "two singles—"Just the Way You Are" and "Grenade"—were released" and "Two additional singles—"Marry You" and "Count on Me"—were issued from the album" parts. Why not just state the singles without using the dash? Till 13:51, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
You may not like it, but it's grammatically correct. Zac 15:03, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
I never said it was gramatically incorrect, it's just uncomfortable to read. Till 15:32, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
You never stated that it was uncomfortable to read, you stated that you didn't like it. The titles are interrupting an already written sentence: "Two additional singles were issued from the album". Zac 20:09, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
True, I stated that I didn't like it, but because it's uncomfortable to read. What other remotely decent reason would the be to complain about it then? The dashes makes the reader pause which is uncomfortable. Till 04:49, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
Atop is archaic and should be changed.
Awkward: "both songs were a commercial success worldwide, with the former reaching the top of the Billboard Hot 100."
Redundant wording: "and went on to sell six million copies worldwide", "as a result, it is also among one of the best-selling singles of all-time". Till 22:45, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
Since you clearly can't make up your mind whether or not to want to support or oppose, your comments will be ignored from now on. Zac (talk · contribs) 22:51, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
Let's keep the discussion calm, shall we? If issues have been pointed out, we most certainly aren't going to ignore them. I think the dashes are comfortable reading myself, but the others are worth addressing. Giants2008 (Talk) 18:06, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
Everything have been fixed by now :) — ΛΧΣ21™ 18:41, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Anything new in this FLC? It has been opened for over a month and all issues have been fixed. — ΛΧΣ21™ 02:19, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 11:21, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
Not a fan of sentences starting with "In..." its poor prose. I would suggest rewording sentences that start with this prefix
Only one sentence is in said format, and it can't be changed around. Zac 20:53, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
I'm sorry but there are two sentences that start witht hat prefix and yes it can be changed around. This list is supposed to feature "professional standards of writing" to quote the criteria, currently I disagree that is the case, especially with some of the examples below. NapHit (talk) 22:26, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
Right two, my mistake; I didn't see the "In May" one. That one has been adjusted, but there's no way to rearrange "In early 2010, Mars provided guest vocals on the debut singles of American rappers B.o.B ("Nothin' on You") and Travie McCoy ("Billionaire"); both songs were a commercial success worldwide, with the former peaking atop the Billboard Hot 100." Zac 00:36, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
I'm concerned that the majority of the lead is not referenced. Especially statements such as "Mars began his career, in 2009, as part of the production and songwriting team, The Smeezingtons." which are not well-known facts. Anything that can be challenged needs referencing.
I thought it myself as a known fact, so I will add a citation for it. There was one previously, but I removed it, thinking it wasn't really needed. Zac 00:36, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
"The Lazy Song", peaked within the top ten worldwide, and with sales of 6.5 million copies, is also among one of the best-selling singles." Sentence has a mixture of past and present tense which is a grammar fail
What would you suggest then? The song isn't still peaking, so it already peaked, and the song is still among one of the best-selling, so it can't be was. Zac 00:36, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
I've edited it myself to solve the problem, was trickier than I thought to resolve the issue. NapHit (talk) 11:21, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
"Two additional singles—"Marry You" and "Count on Me"—were issued from the album; both receiving moderate commercial success." Another one
Conditional support, but I've noticed that the lines in the empty cells are not aligned centrally - they appear to actually aligned slightly to the right. Apart from that, this is very good. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 13:34, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
Could you show a screenshot of such? It appears centered to me. Zac (talk · contribs) 17:50, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
I don't know where an appropriate place would be to upload a screenshot for such a small purpose. In any case (unless I'm seeing things), no matter what browser I try the lines do look aligned to the right (although only very slightly). An examination of the wikicode shows that instead of a space separating the pipe from the dash, there appears to be an NBSP instead. This makes the gap between the pipe and the cell slightly wider, shifting the lines out of position. Sorry for the delay in response. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 17:55, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Hmm... I'm not actually sure why a NBSP was added to that. I don't recall it being there before. I will remove it. Statυs (talk) 22:18, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
A-ha! I see what you are talking about, I see it too. After taking a closer look. Statυs (talk) 22:20, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Comments: There are some prose issues in the lead, as well as sourcing concerns. They're as follows:
Bruno Mars is not a "singer-songwriter". The term is often misused, referring to artists that write and record their own songs, but that is not all. According to the Wikipedia article of singer-songwriter: "As opposed to contemporary popular music singers who write their own songs, the term singer-songwriter describes a distinct form of artistry, closely associated with the folk-acoustic tradition."
Would you like a citation? There's plenty available. Not only does he sing and write his own songs, he composes and produces them. He's not an "often misused" example, referring to a singer who occasionally writes some of their songs. Those would be the origins of a singer-songwriter. Please take a look at the first sentence of the same article. Statυs (talk) 01:44, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
The term applies to more acoustic-oriented musicians, like Adele and Paul McCartney. —WP:PENGUIN·[ TALK ] 10:49, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Sorry but no: the term applies to all musicians that write and record most of the songs they sing. It does not applies to acoustic-oriented musicians only. — ṞṈ™ 00:41, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
There are superfluous commas in this sentence: "Mars began his career, in 2009, as part of the production and songwriting team, The Smeezingtons."
All commas in that sentence are correct, I'm not sure what you're talking about. Statυs (talk) 01:44, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
They also break it up into short choppy sections. The sentence flows better without them. —WP:PENGUIN·[ TALK ] 10:49, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
"'Just the Way You Are' and 'Grenade' reached the top of several charts across the world, including the United States, Australia, Canada, Ireland and the United Kingdom." – the list of countries is unnecessary.
How is listing the countries both songs went number one in "unnecessary"? Statυs (talk) 01:44, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Is this a complete list of the countries? If so, then just remove the "several charts across the world, including" and get to the point. —WP:PENGUIN·[ TALK ] 10:49, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Have you checked the list? "Just the Way You Are" and "Grenade" topped like +15 national charts each one. These written there are only the ones they have in common, mostly. — ṞṈ™ 00:50, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
I do not see the problem with removing the list. We know it charted in several countries, and that's all needed to be known. 20:15, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Don't you think that just saying ""Just the Way You Are" and "Grenade" reached the top of several charts across the world" doesn't really give anything though? It reads like a broken sentence, to me. Statυs (talk) 22:18, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Oh well, then. I'm probably just making a mountain out of a molehill. —WP:PENGUIN·[ TALK ] 23:22, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
"The album's third single, 'The Lazy Song', peaked within the top ten worldwide, with sales of 6.5 million copies." – "in" instead of "within" is plainer and simpler. Also, the 6.5 million figure needs a citation.
Fixed and there is a citation. Statυs (talk) 01:44, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
There is redundancy in this sentence: "As a result, it is also among one of the best-selling singles of all-time." The hyphens in "all-time" are not needed.
I don't see any redundancy in the sentence. Statυs (talk) 01:44, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
The strikethrough-ed phrases make the sentence longer than it needs to be. —WP:PENGUIN·[ TALK ] 10:49, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
As a result of selling how many copies it sold, it is also, along with the other song, one of the best-selling singles. I really don't see what the problem is, truly. Statυs (talk) 00:47, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
At least cut "also" and remove the hyphen. —WP:PENGUIN·[ TALK ] 20:15, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
*I don't see (maybe I'm just goin a bit batty) the 6M claim for the album represented in the given source.
Replaced reference. Statυs (talk) 14:00, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
A lot of over-linking in the references
You can either link all, or link just once. Statυs (talk) 14:00, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
You list 44 million units here, why not in the article? Unless its an unverified claim.
Where does the article mention 44 million units? For what? Statυs (talk) 14:00, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
IFPI should be linked sooner
It is already linked in the albums section. Statυs (talk) 14:00, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
I think it would be nice to add some critical commentary on some of his songs. Maybe, explore on the contrast between the sound on "The Lazy Song" and "Heaven". You know, don't just list sales, tell me about some genre experimentation. Other important stuff. A third lead paragraph would suit this article nicely IMO.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 07:57, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
I disagree. This is a discography list. Adding information about the song of the music is what the specific album and song articles are for. Maybe List of songs recorded by Bruno Mars eventually. Statυs (talk) 14:00, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
That's fine. What I meant was you write on this page he's sold 44 million singles. Unless this is just your math, it should be added. As for the IFPI, its linked in the albums section and then again as a lead artist, however as IFPI SWI and not DEN. Either removed or switch.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 22:36, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
Ah; it's been so long, I forgot what the nomination said... HAHA. I honestly don't remember where that came from, it's been so long. It's been said he has sold 6 million albums (which has a source), but the 40 million singles; can't find a reliable source for that one. Statυs (talk) 00:24, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks Nathan! Statυs (talk) 15:20, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 02:14, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
"As a result, it is among one of the best-selling singles of all time." No need for "one of" when "among" conveys the same meaning.
Ref 16 is a bare link to a blog, which is quite possibly an unreliable source.
I removed it. [Who the hell added that!?]
The blog is owned by AOL, how is that unreliable? Statυs (talk) 00:24, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
Verified. it is indeed reliable. I have readded and formatted the source. — ṞṈ™ 00:26, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
Just because the blog is owned by AOL, it is not necessarily reliable. Is the author a recognized writer in the music industry? If so, I'd feel better about this reference. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:35, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
AOL is a big (and clearly notable) company. AOL Music Blog is their, as its title suggests, music blog. In which they hire, yes, writers to write music reviews. Which is, you guessed it, what the reference is. Statυs (talk) 01:31, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
What makes Video Static (ref 65) a reliable source? Giants2008 (Talk) 18:24, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
Actually, I have no idea :S Although, it is there only to source the director of one of the music videos. Should I replace it? — ΛΧΣ21™ 19:17, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
Video static gets all of their information directly from the production companies; if you see their sidebar, it shows their sponsors. It is a very commonly used source. Statυs (talk) 00:24, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
The source being used often is not an indication of reliability. I'd be happier if this was replaced. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:35, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
When did I state that? My second sentence states that it's a commonly used source. Please check out my first sentence. Statυs (talk) 01:31, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Image could use alt text.
This one's still outstanding. Giants2008 (Talk) 02:14, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
One was added 5 days ago: "A young man holding a microphone while being held in the forearm by an unknown person. He is wearing black pants, and a square-shaped botoned shirt, as well as a black hat." Statυs (talk) 15:14, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
It's not showing up to the readers, though. I peeked at the formatting and noticed two Alt= parameters in the infobox. Maybe moving the alt text to the second parameter would get it to appear? Giants2008 (Talk) 18:46, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
Removed. Alts never work on Google Chrome, so I never see them, so I didn't notice. Statυs (talk) 21:39, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
Per talk page request, I'll leave a review for this list by tomorrow. Best, Jonatalk to me 16:15, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Jona has 20 days without editing Wikipedia, so I'm afraid he won't be able to review the list.... — ΛΧΣ21™ 17:52, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
Support: Artist hasn't been around for that long but has two of the highest selling singles of all time and a multi-platinum album, so is of high relevance. Plus this article is very organized and easy to navigate through. Great work guys! Arre 05:42, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
Thanks Arre! Statυs (talk) 13:14, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
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