Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Cultural depictions of Joan of Arc

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Cultural depictions of Joan of Arc[edit]

This is a companion page to the new FA Joan of Arc. The entries began about three years ago as part of the main article and gained contributions from many readers. Last November this portion branched onto its own page and underwent a major expansion. To the best of my knowledge, this is the most comprehensive list of its kind on the Internet. In particular the popular culture portions appear to be unique. Self-nom. Durova 00:01, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Comments: I am rather impressed that you have some references (this kind of topic is notoriously difficult to verify) but how sure are you that this list is comprehensive? The lead section says that "The entries represent portrayals that a reader has a reasonable chance of encountering rather than a complete catalog. Lesser known works, particularly from early periods, are not included" - why are they left out? The tables seem rather heavy on the 1990s and 2000s, and there are some question marks in some of the tables. I am a little surprised that Polly Perks, the heroine of Monstrous Regiment, is said to be a depiction of Joan of Arc... -- ALoan (Talk) 15:02, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
    • Those are very good questions. Émile Huet once cataloged over 400 plays and musical works devoted to Joan of Arc. He did that in 1894. Despite a great deal of scholarly interest in Joan of Arc, no one has duplicated his feat. The closest attempt came in 1988 where one scholar constructed a complete list of films about Joan of Arc as a doctoral dissertation. The featured list requirements state, "Comprehensive: Covers the defined scope by including every member of a set, or, in the case of dynamic lists, by not omitting any major component of the subject." This is a dynamic list: completeness isn't feasible. Most of the works in Huet's catalog are derivative (based on Schiller's play) and have become so obscure that they survive in only a handful of research libraries.
      • Could you please (with proofs) include it in the intro? It is very interesting and shows the scope. Renata 02:39, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
        • Will do. Durova 21:28, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
          • Done. Durova 15:06, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
    • To answer your other questions, Pratchett's references to Joan of Arc are allusive. That seems to be a trend shared by the television series Joan of Arcadia and several of the other recent entries. Frankly it was hard to verify the release dates on some of Japanese works. The IMDB doesn't list all of the anime and the English translations for the manga could be published years after the original version. Generally these are multi-part series released over several years, which creates another challenge of determining which portion contains the references. I settled for a few question marks on a topic that no other website even attempts to compile. Durova 01:01, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Would it possible to add as many links as possible to individual entries proving that specific depiction? Say, a link to lyrics or IMDB page to movie. Renata 02:39, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
    • Yes, I'll do that. It'll take some work but I'll try to have that in while the FAC is open. Durova 21:28, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
      • Done. Durova 15:06, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Support. Great improvements, unique list, something only WP offers. Hoping that adding links will continue :) Renata 03:06, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
    • They have. :) Durova 14:35, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Support Very imformative. Like the layout too and the references are good. Slgihtly heavy going, but worth the time to read it. Sotakeit 16:57, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Weak support Love the first image, and this is a very authoritative list. My only problem is that the images under the sub-headings just bump the table down in a somewhat ugly way. I can't think of any way to fix it without messing up the tables (why I'm supporting), but if you can think of a way to merge the images in better that can only improve the list. Staxringold 07:23, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
    • I've converted these images to table format, which reduces the white space. Hope that helps. Durova 15:53, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
      • Very much, thanks! Staxringold 02:40, 27 March 2006 (UTC)