Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Failed log/July 2014

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List of Interstate Highways in Michigan[edit]

List of tornadoes in the April 25–28, 2011 tornado outbreak (April 25–26)[edit]

Nominator(s): United States Man (talk) 03:31, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

This list is the confirmed tornadoes from the first two days of the April 25–28, 2011 tornado outbreak, the largest in history. This outbreak was in fact so large that it started breaking templates on the original "list" page, so the list had to be split in two (the first time that has happened with a tornado outbreak). Anyway, I feel that this is up to standards with the only other FL tornado list (List of tornadoes in the 1999 Oklahoma tornado outbreak), and I think this should be able to reach FL as well.

The first FLN (see here) ended up having most of the focus on the title. If you have any questions/concerns about the title, please check there first to make sure I didn't answer your question when someone else asked it. I did correct the minor issues brought up by the only user that commented on the content, so I feel that it is time for another go. Thanks to everyone in advance for any comments you may have. United States Man (talk) 03:31, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Comment - @United States Man: If you cite the NCDC's Storm Data Publication carefully, i feel that you could reduce the overall size of the list quite significantly. While i realize these are only accessible for 24 hours after the link is generated; you can webcite them which preserves the link forever. Also im slightly concerned that there is no sources used from outside NOAA on this list - if you can find some they may be great to cite and get the list size down even further.Jason Rees (talk) 18:10, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

I really don't know what you mean by reducing the list size. The only way to do that would be to take off tornadoes, which isn't even in the question. The list is fine, citing that storm data publication is no different than using the individual, and more in depth, storm events database that I have already used. Now with the outside sources, there will be little to nothing that any other sources have that is correct, other than local news articles that are just duplicating NWS survey information. United States Man (talk) 00:36, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
The lists size is 115,373 bytes, which from memory the MoS says needs splitting. Now im not suggesting taking off tornadoes or splitting out the article further, but as i said earlier if you use the storm data publication carefully you should be able to bring that down. This is because you would be using ref name rather than constantly putting citation templates in, however i am not sure what additional information that you feel the Storm Events Database contains but the summaries are the same as far as i can tell.Jason Rees (talk) 01:48, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
On a side note dont be so dismissive off outside sources they may sometimes dont reflect the numbers we think they should reflect but they can be useful. For example this journal article in BAMS, has a few bits on the outbreak as a whole that could be useful to cite.Jason Rees (talk) 02:09, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
I see now that they are the same. I never really compared them and just assumed that there would be a difference. I will work on that fairly soon then. But, as I was saying, it does no good to list an extra ref that is just duplicate info. If I come across something that can add anything, instead of duplicating the NWS, I'll add it. United States Man (talk) 04:07, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
Done – I went ahead and fixed the references. United States Man (talk) 02:13, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
  • Hi USM, apologies for the delay in getting back to you - i must off over looked the edit when it popped up on my watchlist. Anyway thanks for adding in that reference, if you look at the page history it is now at around 82kb which a lot better than 115kb. Will have a proper look over it and maybe support it if i get chance later.Jason Rees (talk) 01:30, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
  • What is the point in having the {{April 25–28, 2011 tornado chart}} below the first table. The template tells us exactly many tornadoes occurred broken down on the EF Scale, which is what the totals column on the right hand side of the table tells us. If you need to keep the note about Canada id rather you found some other way to tell the reader about it.Jason Rees (talk) 23:15, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
  • I had a play with the table in order to add in a link to the EF Scale, which seems imo to be better than having it in the see also template especially if you accept my first point.Jason Rees (talk) 23:15, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
That makes good sense. I will just revert your test revert to add that in. United States Man (talk) 06:13, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
  • I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to make the section headers April 25 event/April 26 event level two rather than level 3 so that its easier to edit the whole page.Jason Rees (talk) 23:15, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
The reason that we have level three headings here is so that it fits under "Confirmed tornadoes", and it isn't just a small section at the top with a table or two. I don't think it is making editing that difficult. United States Man (talk) 06:13, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
Im finding it difficult because im using a laptop screen atm, but its not worth arguing about so i Support the promotion to FL. I will also see if i can find several other people to give this list a review.Jason Rees (talk) 16:10, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Support, assuming a few fixes are made:

  • Sorting the April 25 table by max width puts the one giant one out of order (probably since it's the only one in miles instead of yards)
  • "NE of Crossroad" in April 25 table is bold for no reason
  • April 25 table is sortable by start coord, but April 26 isn't
  • Sorting the April 26 table by max length puts the one tiny one out of order (probably since it's the only one in yards instead of miles)
  • You flipped the styling of La Porte/LaPorte- the county has no space, the town has a space
  • --PresN 18:22, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

@PresN: Everything has been fixed. I didn't realize that the mi/yd difference would affect sorting. United States Man (talk) 22:11, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

  • I am sorry, but can nobody find a more sensible name for something that is supposed to be of "featured" quality. Nergaal (talk) 18:29, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
That is something myself and others in the project have tried; we even held an RfC, but that unfortunately got nowhere. This is the best we have. If you have any suggestions... United States Man (talk) 13:54, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
Personally your comment "This outbreak was in fact so large that it started breaking templates on the original "list" page, so the list had to be split in two...." does make me wonder.Jason Rees (talk) 19:12, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
Well, it did break templates. You can ask TropicalAnalystwx13; he was the one who suggested that they be split in the first place. United States Man (talk) 19:16, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
Im just not sure that the template breaking was because of the size, since when i merged the two articles yesterday there were no broken templates.Jason Rees (talk) 19:29, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
Well, it may break again once that page is upgraded to the new table. I don't see what the big deal is anyway. United States Man (talk) 19:37, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
Personally i have no problems with the title or two separate articles if it is justified. I should note that i have something up my sleeve to test out if the table will break when merged. It hasnt so far! Jason Rees (talk) 20:06, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Oppose per criterium 3.b. I have seen plenty of lists with 300+ items on them so I see no good reason to break it into two lists that take it hard to compare across the whole table/list. If something gets broken because of say wiki code, then the format should be changed until the code gets upgraded. 3.b does not state "unless not allowed by wikipedia's code". Nergaal (talk) 14:14, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

  • Nominator Comment – Okay, with the fact that 3 tornadoes were found to have been added by someone that didn't read the reference closely, we ended up with tornadoes from 2007 on this page. Also, per Jason Rees and Nergaal, I can probably condense this back into one list (at least I will see). For now, I will withdraw the request. United States Man (talk) 22:07, 8 July 2014 (UTC)