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The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 08:17, 31 January 2009 [1].

List of FA Amateur Cup winners[edit]

I am nominating this article for FL status as I feel it meets all the criteria. Feel free to agree/disagree/send cakes :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 22:03, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Truco

Oppose/Comments from Truco (talk · contribs) - prose problems and appearance problems per WP:WIAFL.

  • The Football Association Amateur Cup, commonly known as the FA Amateur Cup, was a national knockout cup competition for English amateur football clubs, organised by and named after The Football Association (the FA). - 1)is knockout the proper term for the cup? Isn't a "single elimination tournament? 2)I don't know if this is an English variation or not, but in American english its "organized", but if its a variant, it can stay as is 3)to the last part of the sentence it should be : ".., which was organized by, and named, after the FA." (you already mentioned their acronym, no need to spell it again.
    • The term "single-elimination" is completely unknown in UK English, where "knockout" is the standard term. Also, in UK English all words ending in "-ised" are spelt with an S, not a Z. And I've removed the double mention of "the FA"
  • You mention the final winner in the lead, why not mention the first winner?
    • Done
  • In the history section, I would mention once more that the country is indeed England.
    • Done
  • By the start of the Second World War, Bishop Auckland had won the Amateur Cup seven times and Clapton five times. - comma before "and"
    • Done
  • Interest in the competition peaked soon after the war and the final was moved to Wembley Stadium, attracting crowds of up to 100,000. - comma before "and"/ reword the last part of the sentence to ", which attracted crowds of up to 100,000"
    • Done
  • In 1954 Crook Town defeated Bishop Auckland to win the Amateur Cup for the second time, over fifty years after the club's previous victory, but the "Bishops" won the final for the next three seasons, the only hat-trick of wins in the competition's history. - comma after "1954"/ full-stop needed after "previous victory" and make a new sentence out of the proceeding wording
    • Done
  • In the 1960s interest in the Amateur Cup declined and crowds for the final dropped to less than half the level of the early Wembley finals. - comma after "1960s"
    • Done
  • The last ever Amateur Cup final was held on 20 April 1974 and Bishop's Stortford became the last tournament winners, defeating Ilford 4–1. - comma before "and"
    • Done
  • The prose never states why the tournament was abolished? Was it due to the decline in popularity, if so, it needs to be elaborated more clearly
    • Done - it was already in the lead but I forgot to put it in the body too
  • The competition was not staged during the First or Second World Wars other than in the 1914–15 season. - comma before "other"
    • Done
  • Where the venue is shown in italics, only the town where the final took place is recorded, rather than the name of the specific stadium. - this makes no sense, why are only some names of the venues used? In addition, in the table, the proper name of the stadium should be used, if it has the word "Stadium" in its name, it needs to be added.
    • It seems clear enough to me, personally, but I'm open to suggestion as to how to reword it. The issue is that, for some of the early finals, all available sources list only the town where the final was held rather than a specific stadium name e.g. for 1901 all that is known is that the final was held in Dovercourt, no further details are recorded. All stadium names (where available) are correctly used. The only one that is piped is Crystal Palace National Sports Centre, which didn't have that name at the time.
  • The notes column should not be sortable.
    • Done
  • Some of the row widths can be decreased, there is no need for all the extra white space in the table.
    • Done

--TRUCO 18:09, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Followup
  • For the comment about the stadium name: I would make a footnote stating what you just told me, that per official sources, only the town name is available.--TRUCO 15:05, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Is that in addition to, or instead of, the note at the top?
  • In addition to, because it leaves the reader wondering why only some entries have the town name. So just add a footnote to explain why.--TRUCO 15:20, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done
  • Since you decreased some of the row widths, it is possible to add a few images (1-3) on the side, just so there won't be any white space there as well.
    • The only relevant free images I've found so far are already in the article. I'll have a look round for any more, failing that would it be acceptable to just make the overall table a bit wider.....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:09, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • If those are the only free ones available, then it is best to just to re-increase the table widths.--TRUCO 15:20, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I found one more, but it looks a bit silly with just one image alongside the table, so I'll put it somewhere else and make the table wider again...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:24, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:34, 24 January 2009 (UTC) [reply]
Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

  • Stockton is a disambiguation link. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:20, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "after, FA" I thought it was "The FA".
    • Done - typo
  • "newly-created" No hyphens after -ly adverbs.
    • Done
  • Some image captions that are complete sentences are missing periods.
    • The only caption which is a complete sentence, as far as I can see, is the Wycombe one, which already has a full stop (as we call it over here :-) )
  • "who beat Casuals " Shouldn't it be "which beat Casuals"?
    • No. In UK English, sports team names take "who", not "which". See, for example, this BBC report which uses "it was Manchester United who created the first clear-cut chance", or this one which uses "But Arsenal, who had struggled since the resumption...."
  • "Bishop's Stortford, who" Same here.
    • Same response :-)
  • "winning the tournament fifteen times in nineteen seasons"-->winning the tournament 15 times in 19 seasons
    • Done
  • "a figure which was never surpassed." "which"-->that.
    • Done
  • "The last ever Amateur Cup final"
    • Done
  • "In the same year" Comma after this phrase. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:41, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:41, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man on tour (talk) 16:41, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments from The Rambling Man on tour (talk · contribs) from moist Cusco...
    • It seems picky and perhaps tautalogical, but I´d expand the first use of "The FA" to "The Football Association (The FA)", just so we´re all 100% sure what FA means when you go on to use it ... you get my drift?
    • Score sorts really oddly from low to high - try it. I get 0-0 then 1-1 then 2-2 then 0-0 again... it doesn´t seem right. The asterisks certainly play a part in the oddness...
    • Depot Bn. Royal Engineers or Depot Bn., Royal Engineers - just call me eagle eyes...
  • Sort the sort stuff and you get unequivocal Support, at the moment it´s just a Weak support. So it depends how conscientious you´re feeling! All the best, The Rambling Man on tour (talk) 21:24, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=JKbb02bg6zYC&pg=PA21&lpg=PA21&dq=%22fa+amateur+cup%22&source=web&ots=pHEX_y3tcP&sig=MRflCJ0gM55jaW_nGD8kp1bMpN4&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=10&ct=result does not show the results. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:27, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why would it need to? That source is only being used to reference two sentences within the "history" section, both of which it does show quite clearly...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:25, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You misunderstood me. The link did not work when I posted this comment; however, it seems to have fixed itself, so everything is fine :) Dabomb87 (talk) 00:14, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Whoops - apologies for the confusion! :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:53, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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