I am nominating the list of Opening Day Seattle Mariners pitchers. I have chosen not to make the table sortable, as there are multiple stretches where the ballpark stays the same, and I didn't think that listing Kingdome or Safeco Field 5 or 6 time in a row would be visually appealing. The list is comprehensive for every season of the Mariners, including 2008. Additions will be required in 2009 and so forth and will be added as announced. --Admrb♉ltz (t • c • log) 08:23, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Resolved comments from Crzycheetah 08:19, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
All of the stats from the lead are just generated from adding the stats listed in the table below. --Admrb♉ltz (t • c • log) 19:15, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
I think you still need to provide a reference to avoid violating WP:OR--Crzycheetah 20:34, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Would putting in a ref that said data taken from info referenced from tables be acceptable? --Admrb♉ltz (t • c • log) 21:34, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Why not just put the ref you use for the table? By the way, it worries me a little that almost all info in this page is taken from one source.--Crzycheetah 01:36, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Cited lead, changed up the cites in the table. Some are dual cites, as the second cite doesn't show the end result of the game, just who is the starter. --Admrb♉ltz (t • c • log) 07:33, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
It would be good if the image captions had different info than what we may already know from the table
I haven't the knowledge to tell whether the lead should be bulkier than this. Tony(talk) 13:37, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
The lead, from what I understand, just has to be able to explain and draw the reader into the table. I believe the lead has accomplished this. --Admrb♉ltz (t • c • log) 19:15, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Oppose for now. I find a lot of info. in the lead to be confusing to a lay person (I understand it fairly well as a fan, but there are a few areas with issues).:
Are the trivia in the captions necessary? How does Randy Johnson striking out Wade Boggs relate to the article? Or Moyer's 2001 20-win season? This is especially unnecessary since neither of the two were the opening day starters of the year that the piece of trivia took place.
Was requested above --Admrb♉ltz (t • c • log) 22:20, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
And thats what I had, I had something like "xxx the Opening Day starting pitcher for the xxx and xxx seasons", but I was told to make it more interesting --Admrb♉ltz (t • c • log) 23:35, 24 August 2008 (UTC) they have been reverted to their original cites, stating which years they were the Opening Day starting pitchers. --Admrb♉ltz (t • c • log) 07:33, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
"have in the past thirty–two seasons have used fifteen different Opening Day starting pitchers." Confusing sentence here.
Changed slightly --Admrb♉ltz (t • c • log) 22:20, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
The Randy Johnson sentence has a few too many commas for my taste. It feels like an info. overload.
The way you've fixed that sentence created two "has..." clauses with no linking conjunction.
Wow, I must not have been paying attention... Fixed. --Admrb♉ltz (t • c • log) 23:35, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
"Overall, the Mariners have a record of six wins and four losses at the Kingdome..." This should probably have a "on Opening Day" in here (or "have an Opening Day record"), otherwise it reads like an overall for all of baseball instead of just this one day thing.
"and their Opening Day record for these three seasons was two wins and no losses between Randy Johnson (1995), Jeff Fassero (1997) and Freddy García (2001), all of which were won in Seattle." This needs to refer to the record of the starters. The "their" is referring to the subject, the Mariners, while the stats that follow are referring to the three starters. Metros (talk) 22:11, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
That created another vague issue. It now states that "these three...have an Opening Day record of two wins and no losses." Their record is greater than that, but you need to reword it to reflect that you're talking about having a 2-0 record in those three particular seasons on Opening Day. Metros (talk) 22:58, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
All the issues I have are fixed, but I don't think I'll be supporting. I don't feel like this is featured content, but I can't quite put a finger on/describe why. Metros (talk) 01:02, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
Not sure of the relevance of the opening day stats and then going on to qualify for the playoffs - presumably some huge number of games are played in the interim?
You are right, but I found it an interesting tidbit that is verifyable, and in my opinion would draw the reader into viewing the table, and possibly the three seasons referenced. --Admrb♉ltz (t • c • log) 14:06, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
"The Seattle Mariners, a Major League Baseball team, in the American League West division, based out of Seattle, Washington, have in the past thirty–two seasons have used fifteen different Opening Day starting pitchers." - very confusing, reads like a run-on, some seriously incorrect comma usage, grammatically speaking. Consider rewording to the following: "The Seattle Mariners, a Major League Baseball franchise in the American League West division, has used fifteen different Opening Day starting pitchers in its thirty–two seasons in Seattle, Washington." - keep all links, of course, and link franchise to the appropriate section in Professional sports league organization. Also, thirty-two, while incorrect with an en-dash, should actually be 32.
Switched to your wording --Admrb♉ltz (t • c • log) 01:33, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
All numbers higher than ten (especially fifteen, written several times) should be written as numerals (15, etc).
see my response below. --Admrb♉ltz (t • c • log) 23:11, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
"Randy Johnson holds the Mariners' record of Opening Day starts with six starts," - saying starts twice is redundant, remove the second.
Any reason why the records in the lead are all written out, i.e., two wins and no losses rather than 2–0?
MOSNUM is why I wrote them out, and I was told to keep all my numbers consistant rather than having small numbers written out and large numbers as just numbers. --Admrb♉ltz (t • c • log) 23:11, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Be that as it may, it is inconsistent with other featured lists. Additionally, with an article that has this short of a lead, many written out numbers looks like someone trying to stretch the text. I am, of course, not implying that it was your intent to do so; however, it may appear as such to certain eyes. I still believe it needs to be changed. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 00:04, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
I've made what I believe to be some final minor, but necessary, changes to the lede. I would like to see if there is further support from other reviewers before I commit. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 01:40, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
I made it 0 wins and 2 losses so that a lay person could appreciate the information. Yes, I know what 0–2 is, but not everyone knows what 0–2 is. --Admrb♉ltz (t • c • log) 03:17, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
I fully understand your reasoning; however, saying "wins, losses, wins, losses" again and again is redundant. Therefore, I've disambiguated at the first occurrence (10 wins, 11 losses (10–11)) and it should no longer be an issue. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 11:58, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
Not quite, I didn't mean the lead, I meant in the table, it wont be needed in the lead.--SRX 14:58, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
Done, added key item as well --Admrb♉ltz (talk) 15:07, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
Almost, but I meant like in chronlogical order, i.e. The first time you dont need to place the number of times, the second time you would place (2), the third (3), and so on, not the total # of times over and over. Another thing instead of saying (X) say (#) (on the key).SRX 15:30, 6 September 2008 (UTC)