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The list was promoted by Dabomb87 02:07, 23 November 2009 [1].

List of international cricket five-wicket hauls by Muttiah Muralitharan[edit]

Nominator(s): ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 13:08, 26 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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I've been working on this article offline for several days, and I think it meets the criteria now. Any and all comments and suggestions would be much appreciated. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 13:08, 26 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

  • Maybe a good idea to make the key into table format
  • Overlinking of Cricinfo
  • Don't denote rows with only color per WP:ACCESS

—Chris!c/t 18:29, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Done: I've added the key to a table to make it into two columns, but I'm not sure if that's what you were suggesting. The other two are done. I've removed the colours now that they are redundant. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 07:51, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 22:04, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Need a reference for names given to the "fifer"...
  • Picky perhaps, but you say "generally regarded" as notable but give just a single source to back this up...
  • "a limited number of bowlers" as opposed to an "unlimited" number?! I think you could be more precise?
  • "Muralitharan was declared " just "He was... " works fine to improve the prose flow a little.
  • ""best bowler ever" in Test cricket history" - either ditch the "ever" or "history" as using both seems a little redundant.
  • "Muralitharan is well ahead of other bowlers by number of five wicket hauls in Tests with 66 to his name, while Australian cricketer Shane Warne ranks in second place with 37 five wicket hauls.[2] Having made his Test debut in 1992,[9] Muralitharan took his first five wicket haul ... " a few too many "five wicket hauls" in here. Consider a reword to improve prose?
  • "He has repeated this performance against seven different opponents since then" - "He has since repeated this performance again seven different opponents"?
  • This may be awkward but I would put the economy with the rest of the bowling figures, and move the innings to after the opponents. Would be more logical I think?
  • Sorting by date backwards, 64 sorts before 65... (same date...)
  • Just did a random economy rate check, match 42 - I get 3.4257 which would round to 3.43 wouldn't it? ODI 5 I get 3.829, so 3.83?
    • "Cricket statisticians have never rounded up the second decimal place in their averages"[2]. --Jpeeling (talk • contribs) 18:30, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Live and learn, eh? I would suggest that you make a general note the effect that all calculations are rounded down, to prevent "helpful" folks from "fixing" the calculations! The Rambling Man (talk) 08:19, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I imagine a more appropriate abbreviation for Wickets would be Wkts not Wkt, since you have Overs and Runs?
  • Ref 36 needs a publisher.
  • Be consistent with BBC Sport, either a work or a publisher.

The Rambling Man (talk) 17:49, 28 October 2009 (UTC) The Rambling Man (talk) 22:04, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks for the suggestions. I will get working them as soon as possible, but please give me some time because I have to limit my wikipedia activity for a day or two. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 05:50, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done: All done now, except the sorting problems. I can't figure out why that's happening. Any help? ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 06:24, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Everything is fixed now, and I'd appreciate your input particularly on the rewordings. Are they satisfactory? ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 08:50, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done: Well, that was embarrassing :P ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 01:53, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from -SpacemanSpiff 04:22, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • While sorting by wickets, wouldn't it be preferred to have 9/51 show as better than 9/65 and so on? Perhaps using SortKey instead of nts?
  • Could you tell me how this be made possible? They are in 2 columns (I made it into 2 columns so that it can be sorted by runs as well as wickets, and not the whole thing) so I'm not sure how to fix that. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 08:50, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Left a message on your TP.
  • Done: Sorting properly now. Thanks much for your help. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 08:26, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Should "...11 five wicket hauls against each team" be "11 five wicket hauls against both teams"?
  • That's what I had originally, but doesn't it sound like that 11 is the total against both teams? ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 06:24, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree; how about "11 five wicket hauls apiece against both teams"?
  • Given the number of MoM awards he's won, should it be a separate column?

cheers. -SpacemanSpiff 01:56, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • I didn't do this because I thought the list would be unnecessarily crowded. And would it be all right to have a yes/no type column? If you think it'd be appropriate, I can add it. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 06:24, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fine how it is. Aaroncrick (talk) 10:06, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm on the fence on this one, I just think that given that it's near a 50-50 ratio, it might be a good idea to have a separate column, but I don't think it's absolutely necessary. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff 17:28, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Muralitharan is well ahead of other bowlers by number of five wicket hauls in Tests with 66 to his name, while Australian cricketer Shane Warne ranks in second place with 37.' instead of a comma, should a semi colon be used? Aaroncrick (talk) 09:11, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (27 and counting) 21:15, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • Having made his Test debut in 1992, Muralitharan took his first five wicket haul an year later against South Africa." "an" → "a".
  • "14 of Muralitharan's five wicket hauls were taken at the Sinhalese Sports Club Ground in Columbo, Sri Lanka." I suggest changing the number to "Fourteen" so that the sentence doesn't start with a number.
  • "In ODIs, Muralitharan is ranked second by number of five wicket hauls, second to Pakistani cricketer Waqar Younis." To remove a couple unneeded bits, switch to "by number of five wicket hauls to Pakistani cricketer Waqar Younis."
  • "is the fourth best bowling figures in ODI history." Remove s from "figures", since this looks like it should be singular.
  • Reference 1: Change the pages= parameter in the cite template to page= so this single-page reference will not have a multi-page range.
  • Spell out AFP in reference 10. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 21:42, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done: Everything done except the bowling figures part. I believe "bowling figures" is the term rather than "bowling figure". This is the way I have always heard it (on commentaries etc) and [3] & [4] seem to confirm that. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 06:08, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support – Meets FL standards after the fixes. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 21:15, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Nothing mentioned about how he has 22 ten-wicket hauls, well ahead of Shane Warne with 10. [5] Needs a sentence or so about this. Mention that Murali has taken 3-for in international Twenty20 cricket, instead of just saying "... he has not taken a five wicket haul in a Twenty20 International." Aaroncrick (talk) Review me! 01:42, 21 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Lot better thanks. Aaroncrick (talk) Review me! 02:14, 21 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done How is it now? ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 02:09, 21 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Inconsistency in hyphenation (see List of international cricket five-wicket hauls by Glenn McGrath); I think this list should be hyphenated per WP:HYPHEN. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:20, 21 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, agreed and done. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 01:26, 23 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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