I am nominating this for featured list because... I created and expanded this list entirely, and have been working on it for the past four weeks. I've made sure that comments which helped List of songs recorded by Rihanna be promoted have been applied to this list as well, such as the Key, templates and table format. Aaron • You Da One 12:13, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
Comments Seems to be nearly on a par with the Rihanna list from my brief look over. I've made a few edits myself (see here). But the thing that struck me most when looking over the article was that a lot of the lead is uncited – there are no citations in the first paragraph at all, and only two in the second. I'd look into finding some sources to confirm some of the sentences in the lead (like that she'd recorded an album before winning The X Factor, for example).
Is there a more formal word that could be used rather than "treat"?
It's rather unfortunate that the Album column should be so long, especially when the most of the albums have such short titles (e.g. Spirit and Echo). Not entirely sure what the official Wikipedia policy is on this, but it might be worth considering using ''[[For Colored Girls: Music From and Inspired by the Original Motion Picture Soundtrack|For Colored Girls: Music From and Inspired<br>by the Original Motion Picture Soundtrack]]'' instead, to separate the album's title over two lines, and thereby narrowing the width of the column.
Thanks. It's late, I will address points in the morning. Aaron • You Da One 23:14, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
I have addressed everything, and have cited points in the lead. Thanks. Aaron • You Da One 11:54, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
Is it entirely necessary to list remixes of Lewis's songs? They don't represent anything new that she has recorded, just previous material that someone else has altered - she probably had barely any input into those tracks at all.
It is only a few songs, and they were including on the album. So I think yes. Aaron • You Da One
I see your point, but my issue is that they're not songs recorded by Leona Lewis, which is what the list is meant to be of – if the article were "List of tracks featured on releases by Leona Lewis", I'd be more inclined to agree. If we include these remixes, then why not others? A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 23:40, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
In the released songs table, I have included every song which appears on any edition of her albums. Those few remixes from Best Kept Secret are apart of the tracklisting. Aaron • You Da One 11:10, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
Good work adding citations to the lead - it looks a lot better now. You're just missing one for the final sentence of paragraph one. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 23:40, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
Do we know why Best Kept Secret was never released?
It was a demo album, but didn't really get recognised by anyone. But UEG did release it in 2009. Aaron • You Da One
Fair enough, but in that case I think it might be worth expanding on this in the lead, as I was still left with some questions. If no label released the album, then who recorded it? Was it a self-financed project? A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 23:40, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
UEG financed the project, and apparently spent £70,000 on her. They didn't release it themselves at the time, but no one else was interested in signing Leona from the demo album. Because it wasn't a proper recording contract, Leona was allowed to stay in the X Factor, as rules are that contestants must not have had a prior record deal. But, Sony decided the release the album in 2009, of which Leona received half the royalties. Aaron • You Da One 11:10, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
Ah, okay then. But that's the sort of information that a reader would want to know too. It might be worth adding it to the lead, cited by reliable sources, of course. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 19:26, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
You call Can't Fight It a "Ne-Yo demo" - what do you exactly mean by that? Did he write it, did he produce it, was it originally intended for him to sing, or is it something else entirely?
Ne-Yo wrote it yes, and recorded a demo for Leona, but Leona never recorded her own version (as far as we know). But the song was indeed for Leona. Aaron • You Da One 11:10, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
So, wait, if she never actually recorded a version herself, surely it shouldn't be included on this list? A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 19:26, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
Well, it was confirmed to be written for her, and Ne-Yo did a recording of it for her. So I don't know :S. It's still one of her unreleased songs IMO. Aaron • You Da One 19:53, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
If Lewis never actually recorded a version though, I personally think it falls outside of the scope of this list. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 11:41, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
We don't know if she did record her own version though, but as it's not logged with BMI or ASCAP I'll remove it. Aaron • You Da One
The charity singles that she has recorded (e.g. "Everybody Hurts", "Just Stand Up", etc.) are not listed, even though the lead mentions her recording of charity singles. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 19:26, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
Nice work, although I seem to recall that Everybody Hurts was credited to just "Helping Haiti", rather than "Helping Haiti Artists". I don't think it needs to be italicised either. Finally, what about "Inaspettata (Unexpected)"? A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 11:41, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
Had another look over the lead and made a few more edits (see here). In all, I think this meet the criteria so, assuming that the comments below are resolved, I support this nomination. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 16:39, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
It's not encyclopaedic prose to suggest something was released "as a gift" unless it was completely free, in which case I would replace "as a gift" with "free of charge". The Rambling Man (talk) 17:07, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Producers. I didn't write producer again to avoid repetition. Aaron • You Da One
Official debut album, and I missing something?
Who cares when the singles were released? This isn't an album article.
It's talking about the re-release of the album, and a new song. Aaron • You Da One
Honestly, from there on, the lead just keeps getting worse. Good on Simon for conceptualised (which is properly spelled conceptualized) "Footprints in the Sand" and receiving a writing credit! What does that have to do with her songs? She has about 30 or so released songs, correct? Picking a few and putting random little facts about them in the lead doesn't summarize the article. Just sum up what her songs are generally about, name a few (covers would probably be best to do).
It's a list about the songs she recorded, if Simon hadn't of conceptualised it, it's 99% probable that she never would have recorded it. The list lists the songwriters, so this is perfectly acceptable.
Pedantic comment - "conceptualised (which is properly spelled conceptualized)" - as this article is about a British subject, WP:ENGVAR says it should use British English, therefore the "proper" spelling of the word is with an S ;-P -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:31, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Having Leona Lewis in the artists section seems redundant. Who else is the song gonna be recorded by? This is a List of songs recorded by Leona Lewis.
I'm sorry, but if you insist to not correct the errors I have pointed out, I am going to have to oppose. "Same as Rihanna's FL" is not a valid reason to not do something. WP:OSE — Statυs (talk) 15:10, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
I know I haven't done everything yet. And you said on your talk page that they are suggestions and that I don't have to do them. Aaron • You Da One 15:29, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
I was only referring to the suggestions being the new lead. And I took it as you were done, as all you did was comment on a few and move onto something else. — Statυs (talk) 15:41, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
Ref 15 has a spelling mistake I believe -- Lemonade51 (talk) 12:26, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Ref 32 is to a Rolling Stone story, but is linked to jrecords.com. Does this website have the right to reprint the story? Either way, if a link is avaliable from Rolling Stone I'd suggest using that instead.
You could just cite the interview itself without a link. Just provide a time marker so that any source checkers will know where to look to find the relevant part. Giants2008 (Talk) 16:54, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
More blogs aren't reliable sources than are. Are the authors experts in the music field? If not, the sources aren't going to be reliable enough for FL standards. Giants2008 (Talk) 18:14, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
The publisher of Idolator, Buzz Media, also publishes OK! Magazine. Aaron • You Da One 17:47, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
I'll leave this out to see if anyone else has any thoughts on it. Giants2008 (Talk) 16:54, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Resolved comments from Sanders11 (talk) 15:56, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
I question whether there is any necessity for this list. It seems a lot of lists of songs have been popping up lately and would be interested to know your thoughts on how much material an artist should have before it is a worthwhile list. My instinct is at current this list is borderline, there really aren't that many songs and they are mostly covered by two albums articles.
2 studio albums, both have over 15 songs. There is a demo album, and there is also another demo album I had forgot to add called Twilight. There is an EP as well as featured/charity singles. Also two albums worth of unreleased songs. She is also recording for her third studio album. There is definitely enough songs to warrant the list.
Good enough for me.
"four studio albums" - I understand you are including Best Kept Secret, Spirit, Echo and Glassheart in that but I think it leads to confusion as the articles refer to Spirit as the first and Echo as the second, and the discography states two albums in the lead. Perhaps something like "...recorded material for a demo album, three studio albums and an EP"?
I think it's too much detail but certainly a minor point that I'm not going to quibble over.
I feel like on the whole the lead is very cover heavy, it mentions almost every cover released by her. I would suggest removing some of the less notable covers and possibly replace with a more notable song if you see fit. I would personally ditch I Will Be and Stop Crying Your Heart Out.
Yeah. I'm removed those two.
"harder" is meaningless without context - harder to writer, harder to sing, harsher sounding?
Again I understand it's difficult to summarise the songs on the album, I would have tried to pick up the more notable songs eg Happy and My Hands, but I presume you went for Love Letter and Don't Let Me Down as they had the most significant writers?
I wouldn't have included the video interludes but I understand your logic as to why you did.
It's not the video I am talking about, it's the fact that she recorded them in a studio. Aaron • You Da One
As a side note I'm confused as to why you say only the Ne-Yo demo version of Can't Fight It leaked as Leona's version leaked ages ago.
Because I couldn't find a source for Leona's/I didn't know if she had even recorded it. Aaron • You Da One
I still feel it's not quite there yet, how about "British singer-songwriter Leona Lewis has recorded material for a demo album, three studio albums and an EP, as well as charity singles, soundtracks and collaborations on other artists' albums"?
I think it's difficult to summarise the songs on the albums when they were written and produced by lots of different people, and I think that if these lists were kept for artists with a slightly more substantial back-catalogue they would be easier to summarise.
Likewise more guitar driven doesn't mean much when there is no indication of the amount of guitar in Spirit. I think you could maybe find a better way to describe the album, preferably in your own words rather than quoted.
"British singer-songwriter Leona Lewis has recorded material for her four studio albums" - I instinctively pause after that and think to myself well of course she has, would be a bit weird if someone else recorded the material.
I know you've tried different words instead of something but "as something to bridge the gap" isn't brilliant prose. "...in December 2011, to bridge the gap for fans while she finishes" conveys the same information.
Well there are free images of Avril Lavigne, Noel Gallagher, Michael Jackson, Ryan Tedder so you could spread it out a bit more. At least change it so there aren't two images for Collide.
I don't think this is that big of an issue tbh. Before I added Best Kept Secret, the last picture was next to the bottom of the table. It's more a case of not cramming too many picture as oppose to not being able to find them. Aaron • You Da One
I don't think it's a big issue either, I just thought they should represent a spread of songs and not just the ones from the first six letters of the alphabet.
The youtube reference is a copyright violation and should probably be referenced used cite episode.
I've removed a few since so I don't know which one you mean now as there are 47 references now. Aaron • You Da One
You've removed it so that's fine.
Related to the above Best Kept Secret is not the only pre-X Factor recording she did, there is also Twilight and It's All For You, though I suspect you would struggle to find much in the way of reliable sources on them.
Yeah I just said about Twilight above. I've never heard of It's All For You? Is that an album or a song? Aaron • You Da One
It's All For You is an EP. I think if you can get a good source for either they should be mentioned at some point here.
I can't find a sourced for the tracklisting of Twilight. Is this reliable enough to source It's All For You ? Aaron • You Da One
I'm not sure but would err on the side of caution and say no because Yahoo's not always that reliable. It's not a very notable recording so I don't think it's an issue to not include it since you can't find a source.
"for duets and featured songs on albums and charity singles" - A lot of ands in the second half of the sentence. Has she actually been credited as featured on songs? Might want to add soundtracks?
It's a new sentence now. Yes she is credited and I've added soundtracks. Aaron • You Da One
Pedantic point but that is one song whereas lead says featured songs. And Itunes and Amazon both have it credited as a duet not a feature.
I think you have a little bit too much detail on Best Kept Secret in the lead. "licensed by UEG Entertainment but not released. UEG spent approximately GB£70,000 on the singer's recording and production, but the demo failed to capture the interest of [a] record labels or executives. It was released by UEG in 2009, who claimed that they had [to own] the rights to the album, even though Lewis revealed that she never signed a contract which stated that Best Kept Secret could possibly be released" - Just some suggestions you can modify as you wish.
The lead has more detail about Best Kept Secret than Echo despite it being a much less notable recording. If you want to keep that level of detail I was suggesting you could add it to "Best Kept Secret was recorded under licence by UEG Entertainment before Lewis entered The X Factor in 2006. However, Sony UEG released the album to iTunes in January 2009." at note one and reduce it slightly in the lead.
You don't mention the genre of music she sings anywhere.
I will add them in as I edit some of her articles. Information for Leona is harder to find than for other singers on here. Aaron • You Da One
Would be good if you could add something regarding the general style or content of Spirit, I'd imagine it must be fairly easy to find a source saying the album is ballad heavy or something along those lines.
Yeah it's a basic piece of information that isn't contentious so referencing both Spirit and Echo's notes is fine.
The lead seems over-referenced, the lead should summarise the contents of the article and if referenced within the article there is no need for a reference. I would only expect references for the extra information added to give a bit of context and make the lead less dry.
I was told by another editor to add references in to those parts. Aaron • You Da One
Per WP:LEADCITE references are only really needed for contentious info. Things already referenced in the articles don't need a duplicate ref in the lead.
Did you try out different versions of the table before you found one that worked well? I only ask because I'm curious about listing each writer on a separate line, its a bit jarring going between really wide rows like Can't Breathe and Angel to one line rows. Did you consider using a format more like List of Kelly Clarkson songs which just uses commas between writers? I know it would be a lot of work but I would consider ditching the images down the side and using that to display the writers. I say this because on smaller screens the images squish the table and then the writers column shrinks and it is unclear where one writer ends and the next begins. At the very least you should add commas after each writer's name.
Ohhhh god yes. Look at the history of Rihanna's list. If I hadn't of used this style for Rihanna's, or for any of list of songs I do, two particular editors would have refused to support. Aaron • You Da One
Fair enough but I think you do need to add commas between the writers.
It's a list of songs not a list of tracks which feature on an album by Leona.
I think you need a better way to differentiate between the different versions of Spirit and Echo. I suggest either adding a note for all songs that don't appear on every version of the album or for every song. Either the way you've added a note of Best Kept Secret or to denote songs as a remix.
I added a note to the Spirit deluxe songs saying that they were included on the re-released. Aaron • You Da One
I don't think that's enough. I think it's clear to someone who is very familiar with Leona's stuff what it means but any casual fan would be completely confused as to why Run has the note but Forgive Me and Misses Glass don't and then some track they haven't heard of called Myself is. And then North American people would look at other tracks and be confused. I'm not sure what is the best way to present the information clearly. Perhaps use the international version of the album and then add notes to the ones that differ on the North American release?
I asked in the Rihanna FLC what Year meant and you said it was the year recorded but it's clearly not in this case. It looks like it is the year the album was released which creates some anomalies like A Moment Like This and Forgive Me both having 2007 as a year.
Yes. Year of album release. A Moment Like This is a little different though.
Well you have to remain consistent on what that column is used for. At present You Bring Me Down, Forgive Me and Forgiveness say 2007 but the versions of the album featuring those songs were released in 2008. Heartbeat doesn't feature on any version of an album but was released in 2010 not 2009.
Again I don't think Originating album is the best title if you want to include muliple albums for one song. Either stick to the actual originating album or rename the title to Album(s). I think Album(s) would be the best way forward and you should include B-side to Forgive Me or whatever in that column.
Ah right, from your comment I was expecting "Album(s)" not "Originating album(s)" so didn't notice the change. I still think the B-sides should say which single they appear on in this column too.
Why have you referenced all the Spirit songs to ref 5 apart from Better in Time and Bleeding Love? Also I don't think you can reference them all to one set of album notes seeing as all the tracks don't appear on one version of the album.
Well no it's not, the code 8 86970 25542 4 applies to the North American version, which doesn't have a number of these songs.
Unfortunately I think a large part of the unreleased section isn't supported adequately by the references. Many of the references simply list Leona as a writer, with no mention of her recording it, which album it was intended for and whether it leaked. I would think the leaked column would have to go as whilst it has some use it will always be a nightmare to reference.
The reference for 1000 Lights doesn't mention she recorded it or it leaked. Another Land doesn't mention she recorded it. Burn doesn't mention she recorded it or what album it was for. These issues are true for almost every song on the list and need addressed.
1000 Lights is on Youtube and is logged on BMI. Burn and Another Land are alos logged on BMI. A song can only be logged if it was been written or recorded for that singer, and Leona's name is next to them. Aaron • You Da One
I'm not disagreeing that she wrote the song, this is a list of songs she has recorded so there has to be a source saying she recorded it which is not the case for many of these songs. The ASCAP sources mention her as a performer but the BMI ones do not so for all you know she wrote them for someone else and never recorded her own version. On top of that around half of them make no reference to which album they were intended for.
I had a quick skim over the references and there quite a few inconsistencies in linking, publisher mentions, date formats and at least one error in the writer's name.
Have gone through and corrected all that I could see.
Daily Mail isn't linked in ref 2, Gordon Smart is the writer for 15, Broadcast Music is linked at 20 so doesn't need to be at 28.
Why have a different colour for a foreign language recording? Why does it matter that she sang in English and Italian?
Well if it's clear why is a different colour needed? According to the ref on the discography page it was a single which would mean it should be purple, though there seems to be no other information out there on the single release.
Quite a lot of issues. Some of this is nitpicky and personal preference so I don't expect every single issue to be changed, but I do think quite a lot needs addressed. Sanders11 (talk) 16:38, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick responses, seems to be good progress so far :) Sanders11 (talk) 15:56, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
Capped most things now. Sanders11 (talk) 21:23, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
There are a lot of comments above from several users that appear to still be outstanding. Is there a plan for when they are going to be addressed? This is more comments than there are at most peer reviews, and FLC isn't a peer review service. Giants2008 (Talk) 18:03, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Yeah sorry I will do it today. If you look at my contributions I haven't been very active over the last few days. Aaron • You Da One 15:01, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
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