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Good article reassessment

Good article reassessment (GAR) is a process primarily used to determine whether an article that is listed as good article (GA) still merits its good article status according to the good article criteria, and to delist it if not. There are two types of reassessment: individual reassessment and community reassessment. An individual reassessment is discussed on the article talk page and concluded by a single editor in much the same way as a review of a good article nomination. Community reassessments are listed for discussion on this page and are concluded according to consensus. Where possible, editors should conduct an individual reassessment, while community reassessment should be used if delisting is likely to be controversial. Community reassessments can also be used to challenge a fail during a good article nomination. This is not a peer review process; for that use Wikipedia:Peer review. The outcome of a reassessment should only depend on whether the article being reassessed meets the good article criteria or not.

Before attempting to have any article delisted through reassessment, take these steps:

  1. Fix any simple problems yourself. Do not waste minutes explaining or justifying a problem that you could fix in seconds. GAR is not a forum to shame editors over easily fixed problems.
  2. Tag serious problems that you cannot fix with appropriate template messages, if the templates will help other editors find the problems. Do not tag bomb the article.
  3. Make sure that the problems you see in the article are covered by the actual good article criteria. Many problems, including the presence of dead URLs, inconsistently formatted citations, and compliance with the Manual of Style are not covered by the GA criteria and therefore not grounds for delisting.
  4. Notify major contributors to the article and the relevant Wikiprojects. Remember, the aim is not to delist the article, but to fix it.

A list of all open GA reassessment nominees may be found at Category:Good article reassessment nominees.

Articles needing possible reassessment

Occasionally, rather than initiating either individual or community reassessment, an editor will merely tag the article as possibly needing reassessment. These tagged articles are listed on this page and each needs the attention of an editor to decide if reassessment is required. To tag an article, {{GAR request}} is placed at the top of the article talk page.

Individual reassessment

When to use this process

  • Use the individual reassessment process when you find an article listed as a good article that you don't believe satisfies the good article criteria and:
    • You would like to receive input from a community of editors who watch the article talk page
    • You believe the decision to continue listing the article or to delist it should be yours, at the conclusion of a good article reassessment discussion (unless you believe a decision made by you is likely to be controversial, then opt for community reassessment instead)
  • Use the individual reassessment process if:
    • You are confident in your ability to assess the article
    • You are not a major contributor to the article
    • You know the article has not been delisted before
    • You don't see any ongoing content dispute or edit war
    • You are logged in (unless you are not a registered user, then you may try asking another editor to reassess the article)

Note

  • Individual reassessments do not appear below on the good article reassessment page; those are all community reassessments.

How to use this process

  • The instructions for individual reassessment are:
  1. Paste {{subst:GAR}} to the top of the article talk page. Do not place it inside another template. Save the page.
  2. Follow the first bold link in the template to create an individual reassessment page (while the second bold link creates a community reassessment page). The individual reassessment page for this article is created as a subpage of the article talk page.
  3. Leave an assessment on this page detailing your reasons for bringing the article to good article reassessment. List the problems you found with the article in comparison to the good article criteria. Save the page.
  4. From the article talk page, transclude the individual assessment page as follows: Create a new section named "Individual reassessment" and paste in
    {{Talk:ArticleName/GAn}}. Replace ArticleName with the name of the article and n with the subpage number of the reassessment page you just created.
  5. Notify major contributing editors, relevant WikiProjects for the article, and, if recently GA reviewed, the nominator and the reviewer. The {{GARMessage}} template can be used for notifications by placing {{subst:GARMessage|ArticleName|page=n}} ~~~~ on user talk pages. Replace ArticleName with the name of the article and n with the subpage number of the reassessment page you just created.
  6. Wait for other editors to respond.
  7. During the reassessment discussion, you must decide if the article has improved enough to meet the good article criteria. When the reassessment discussion has concluded, you may close it.
  8. To close the discussion, edit the individual reassessment page of the article. State the outcome of the discussion (whether there was consensus and what action was taken) and explain how the consensus and action was determined from the comments.
  9. The article either meets or does not meet the good article criteria:
    • If the article now meets the criteria, you can keep the article listed as GA. To do this, delete the {{GAR/link}} template from the article talk page and update the {{Article history}} template on the article talk page.
    • If the article still does not meet the criteria, you can delist it. To do this, remove the article from the relevant list at good articles, remove the {{good article}} template from the article page, remove the {{GAR/link}} template from the article talk page, update the {{Article history}} template on the article talk page (see example), and restore any project assessment values on the article talk page (check history to see what they were).


Good article reassessment
Community reassessment

When to use this process

  • Use the community reassessment process when you find an article listed as a good article that you don't believe satisfies the good article criteria and:
    • You would like to receive input from a community of editors who watch the good article reassessment page
    • You believe the decision to continue listing the article or to delist it should be the result of consensus, at the conclusion of a good article reassessment discussion (unless you believe a decision made by you is not likely to be controversial, then opt for individual reassessment instead)
  • Use the community reassessment process if:
    • You are not confident in your ability to assess the article
    • You are a major contributor to the article
    • You disagree with an earlier delist decision
    • You don't see any ongoing content dispute or edit war
    • You are logged in (unless you are not a registered user, then you may try asking another editor to reassess the article)
    • You disagree with a fail at Wikipedia:Good article nominations (however, it is rarely helpful to request a community reassessment for this; it is usually simpler to renominate it)

How to use this process

  • The instructions for community reassessment are:
  1. Paste {{subst:GAR}} to the top of the article talk page. Do not place it inside another template. Save the page.
  2. Follow the second bold link in the template to create a community reassessment page (while the first bold link creates an individual reassessment page). The community reassessment page for this article is created as a subpage of the good article reassessment page.
  3. Leave an assessment on this page detailing your reasons for bringing the article to good article reassessment. List the problems you found with the article in comparison to the good article criteria. Save the page. A bot will add the assessment to the GA reassessment page.
  4. From the article talk page, transclude the community assessment page as follows: Create a new section named "Community reassessment" and paste in
    {{WP:Good article reassessment/ArticleName/n}}. Replace ArticleName with the name of the article and n with the subpage number of the reassessment page you just created.
  5. Notify major contributing editors, relevant WikiProjects for the article, and the nominator and the reviewer. The {{GARMessage}} template can be used for notifications by placing {{subst:GARMessage|ArticleName|GARpage=n}} ~~~~ on user talk pages. Replace ArticleName with the name of the article and n with the subpage number of the reassessment page you just created.
  6. Wait for other editors to respond.
  7. During the reassessment discussion, consensus must decide if the article has improved enough to meet the good article criteria. When the reassessment discussion has concluded, any uninvolved editor may close it (if needed, a request may be made at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure).
  8. To close the discussion, edit the community reassessment page of the article and locate {{GAR/current}}. Replace it with {{subst:GAR/result|result=outcome}} ~~~~. Replace outcome with the outcome of the discussion (whether there was consensus and what action was taken) and explain how the consensus and action was determined from the comments. A bot will remove the assessment from the GA reassessment page and will add it to the current archive.
  9. The article either meets or does not meet the good article criteria:
    • If the article now meets the criteria, you can keep the article listed as GA. To do this, delete the {{GAR/link}} template from the article talk page and update the {{Article history}} template on the article talk page.
    • If the article still does not meet the criteria, you can delist it. To do this, remove the article from the relevant list at good articles, remove the {{good article}} template from the article page, remove the {{GAR/link}} template from the article talk page, update the {{Article history}} template on the article talk page (see example), and restore any project assessment values on the article talk page (check history to see what they were). A bot will remove and archive the assessment from the GA reassessment page.

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Articles needing possible reassessment[edit]

The Good articles listed below would benefit from the attention of reviewers as to whether they need to be reassessed. In cases where they do, please open an individual or community reassessment and remove {{GAR request}} from the article talk page. In cases where they do not, simply delete the template from the article talk page.

The intention is to keep the above list empty most of the time. If an article is currently a featured article candidate, please do not open a reassessment until the FAC has been closed. To add an article to this list, add {{GAR request}} to the article talk page.

See also

Articles listed for community reassessment[edit]

Operation Hailstone[edit]

Article (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · WatchWatch article reassessment pageMost recent review
Result pending

I've recently read a translated version of this article, which is much better than the article here, and I've also heard some individuals said that this article is too problematic for GA. To prove it, I've just read the article once. As what I can see, the article meets most of the GA criteria, but not "the prose is clear and concise": the article is too brief that the content is unclear, or in other words, it is too consice. I am sorry to have a doubt on whether it meets all criteria of GA, but I also hope that there will be Wikipedians who will improve this article, so that the content will be both clear and consice, to meet all criteria. Thank you for your consideration. SænI will find a way or make one. 08:20, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

Which language version did you find superior? Nick-D (talk) 08:43, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
Seconding this question. The article as it existed prior to GA was a copy/paste from a book series. I wouldn't be surprised if other Wikis have the same content copy/pasted in another language format. Cheers, Finktron (talk) 15:23, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
@Nick-D: That's Chinese Wikipedia, and it is not just copying and translating English and Japanese; if zhwiki's one could not fulfill all GA criteia, I can sure that the article here also can't fulfill that. SænI will find a way or make one. 08:47, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
Or I should add some sentences to explain: the first 3 paragraphs should write more (esp. the very first one, as it is not so fruitful, compare with zhwiki's first 2 paragraphs). SænI will find a way or make one. 08:57, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

The structure of the "Attack" section appears incomplete. The strike lasted one and a half days, yet activities on second day Feb 18th is totally ignored. Also unmentioned is the experimental night raid conducted by USS Enterprise, the first of its kind. Compared to paragraphs about the surface action by Adm. Spruance, words depicting aerial attacks against Japanese shipping, which contributed to the vast majority of ships sunk in Truk, is disproportionately few and fragmentary, focusing on only two of the thirty merchant ships (The editor might have developed tunnel vision from relying too much on primary sources like action reports). Certainly there were more dramatic actions deserving a few words, such as those of light cruiser Naka or destroyer Oite. I would say the descriptive style of Attack on Pearl Harbor, a similar topic, is much richer in context.--Medalofdead (talk) 17:05, 12 September 2018 (UTC)


Loyal Order of Moose[edit]

Article (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · WatchWatch article reassessment pageMost recent review
Result pending

This article does not give sufficient weight to the Moose Lodge's history of racial and gender discrimination. A search of Google scholar and Newspapers.com shows that reliable sources give great weight to the discrimination issue, but this is barely reflected in the article. Until the discrimation section is substantially expanded, the article fails the WP:NPOV requirements in WP:GACR#4 — BillHPike (talk, contribs) 19:52, 30 September 2018 (UTC)


I was the GA reviewer. The relevant GA criteria is "Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each." This criteria is about bias, not that the article is 100% complete in covering all appropriate areas. Similar to my comment in the review...another area for expansion would be coverage of what happens at their facilities and activities. But again, did not see areas that could use expansion as a reason to deny GA. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 11:06, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

The article heavily relies on connected sources. Until we can remove the {{thirdparty}} cleanup tag, we should remove good article status. — BillHPike (talk, contribs) 21:38, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
The main issue with the article is the inclusion of a long list of notable members. This should be deleted or spun off into List of Loyal Order of Moose members. buidhe (formerly Catrìona) 06:12, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
  • I would agree that the article needs to discuss the organization's history of racial discrimination in more detail. The google scholar search throws up a number of results, enough that WP:DUE requires more than a discussion of one incident. This isn't a concern so much about length, as about substance; what's already in the article could be pruned. Neutrality is a core policy, and a failure to meet it is a criterion to remove GA status; but such a removal need not be immediate. If the nominator, or anyone else, is willing to address this concern while the reassessment remains open, there's no reason to assume that the article needs to be delisted. Vanamonde (talk) 13:39, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Kerala Blasters FC[edit]

Article (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · WatchWatch article reassessment pageMost recent review
Result pending

Its been almost 6 months now since the article listed as GA and end of their fourth season.And they already started their fifth season few days ago But still have no section about their fourth season and their fifth season.I informed them at the PR page two month ago, but have got no responses. Hence I am bringing it here for reassessment and recommending community review instead of an individual one. Akhiljaxxn (talk) 14:15, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Oppose: This can easily be added by another user via the proper WikiProject if you notify them. No need for demotion by WP:OUTDATED. Hdjensofjfnen (If you want to trout me, go ahead!) 02:53, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Emily Ratajkowski[edit]

Article (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · WatchWatch article reassessment pageMost recent review
Result pending

I’m proposing delisting this article, Emily Ratajkowski, from Good Article status until further notice because I see a lot of issues here: original research, promotional tone, and citation overkill are chief among them.Trillfendi (talk) 00:13, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

From a glance, I can't find any text missing citations. Can you list some specific examples of original research? It would especially help for anybody else reading this GAR looking for ways to improve the article. Snuggums (talk / edits) 01:40, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
One example, which I removed before listing this article (maybe I should put it back), was someone doing original research to find an acting role she did as a child. They made a note of it between citations. I also believe a lot of info about her mother possibly contains original research.Trillfendi (talk) 01:55, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
If you mean this "Elsa" role, then good removal. Whoever inserted that didn't even really try to properly cite it. Snuggums (talk / edits) 02:27, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
If anything, I'd say this is ludicrously over-cited—this biography of a very minor figure has more citations than Spain, Elizabeth II or United States Army. I agree it's bloated, promotional, and overly long, but I can't actually see which of the GA criteria it's actually failing. ‑ Iridescent 02:01, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
In my view, it’s failing in neutrality, verifiability without original research, and being well written.Trillfendi (talk) 02:14, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Prose is definitely subpar. Here are some examples of tone I found that come off as promotional:

  • "Esquire magazine named Ratajkowski 'Woman of the Year', over online fan vote finalist Jennifer Lawrence"..... why does the other finalist need to be mentioned?
  • "Ratajkowski leveraged her sudden prominence into supporting roles in major films"..... not only is "sudden prominence" questionable at best, but this just reads awkwardly to begin with
  • "this tour marked her ascension as a style icon as she earned multiple best dressed citations from various sources"..... "icon" is puffery, and why do such rankings really matter anyway?
  • "prominent global media outlets took notice"..... I think it's obvious what's wrong here
  • "She noted that by July 2017, her sex appeal, especially her cleavage, has caused her to lose jobs"..... "sex appeal" is a matter of personal opinion

Feel free to list any other problematic instances you spot. That's not even delving far into sheer quality of writing. I also feel including File:March 2012 Issue 3 cover of Treats!.jpg is borderline promoting Treats! and the caption for File:Emily Ratajkowski.jpg doesn't really need to talk about what the photo shoot was for, simply a year is sufficient. Do we REALLY need to advertise her bags with File:20180220 Emily Bags at Bloomies at 900 North Michigan Avenue.jpg? Snuggums (talk / edits) 02:16, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

These are other instances that I had noticed that I believe may be original research about her early life (and it isn’t even about her): this book and this obituary which I’m quite certain we’re not allowed to use but then again it might be considered public record. If someone can find more independent, reliable sources then I strongly recommend that her mother and father have their own respective articles. I had also removed a statement about her childhood that was sourced with what looks like absolute gibberish.Trillfendi (talk) 04:56, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
Oh, certainly; just skimming the lead there's a glaring piece of original research in "British American" in the infobox. Britain doesn't have Jus soli unless at least one parent already had either British citizenship or Indefinite Leave to Remain, and there's no indication that either was the case. (Given the dual taxation issues it would be unlikely someone at her presumed level of earnings would maintain dual citizenship even if she did qualify to apply for British citizenship.) ‑ Iridescent 09:51, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

I know this article clearly has a feminist agenda (on the neutrality front) but I struggle to understand how over 20 mentions about nudity and over 20 mentions about sexuality are encyclopedic. Many fashion models pose nude just as often as her without an eyelash batted. As an editor, my niche is fashion model articles and I can’t recall seeing nudity even mentioned once in any other model’s Wikipedia article. Ratajkowski is not a human sexuality scholar, expert, or doctor, so why are her views on the subject taken as such in this article? She has more citations about her sexuality views than actual professionals who have written medical journals on it! (Look at pages in the Sex educators category to see what I mean) Trillfendi (talk) 15:11, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

  • I am probably still the main editor of this article, I don't understand the point of counting uses. Depending on the subject matter of an article some subjects arise more than others. Suppose I write an article about a basketball player and use the word dunk a lot more than is often seen in an article about a basketball player. That does not mean there is anything amiss. Nudity is a subject that will be mentioned in an article about Ratajkowski. I am just disappointed that her arrest had nothing to do with nudity. I think she should have done a Lady Godiva-type protest instead of this run of the mill getting arrested a bunch of other people. Sorry, I digress. I am not going to humor you with a look at this article based on word usage counts. Nothing short of using profane words would warrant such an analysis.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:08, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Did I not mention her 2019 arrest in this article?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:15, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • I don't understand the promotional word that is being thrown around. As far as overly cited goes, many biographies I have worked on have been criticized in this regard. They have been mostly about basketball players. I have my own philosophy on citations, and I don't really agree that finding articles with fewer citations is a sensible argument. IMO, that is just pointing to other deficient articles.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:15, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
This is a prime example of the absurd level of link rot:
      • “John David "J.D."[1][2] Ratajkowski,[3]” was all in the middle of one sentence and including the 5 other citations in thay sentence. Ridiculous! It’s all but common sense that if one or two sources can verify something, you don’t need 8. Or the 7 citations about her ethnicity in a row, when that’s already previously addressed in 2 earlier citations.
        • Please don't sound a link rot alarm and then demonstrate three perfectly fine references. It tries my patience and causes me to pay less attention to the rest of what you are saying. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the three references. Link rot is when you add a link that becomes a dead url. As live urls become dead the term is rot. You are not talking about link rot. I am not going to keep reading the rest of this point because you just don't know what you are talking about and it is a waste of time to talk to someone who doesn't know how to discuss Wikipedia editorial issues on such a basic level.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:44, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
          • TonyTheTiger When I said link rot I thought I'd put citation overkill, oh omniscient one, but at that point I was too tired to give a damn. Shit happens. If one source says his nickname is J.D. (Emily calls him John when referring to him as an artist,[1] but anyway...) I still stand by my view that one was sufficient. This is Wikipedia's example of citation overkill:"Elephants are large[1] land[2] mammals[3] ... Elephants' teeth[4] are very different[4] from those of most other mammals.[3][4] Unlike most mammals,[3] which grow baby teeth and then replace them with a permanent set of adult teeth,[4] elephants have cycles of tooth rotation throughout their entire lives.[4]"; it's not much different than "Emily O'Hara Ratajkowski was born on June 7, 1991, in Westminster, London, the only child[6] of Kathleen Anne Balgley[7] with Irish and Polish Jewish roots[8][9] and John David "J.D."[10][11] Ratajkowski,[12] with Polish roots.[13]" 8 citations for one sentence. The same sentence could still be cited with 1/4th of that.Trillfendi (talk) 21:25, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
      • Now, about this feminist lilt. Quite frankly I don’t care that she does nudity or is a feminist, it’s the way it’s written. I started counting because it seemed like every 10th word was nudity, nude, or sexuality. Can we just chainsaw this down to 5 quotes on the matter? I mean even in her early life section I had to remove what looked to be original research on the matter. One could take suggestions from Emma Watson’s article on how to write about her feminist beliefs, neutrally, or Jennifer Lawrence’s.
      • And anyone with keen eyesight can tell she’s attractive, heck Adriana Lima is also always at the top of “sexiest” lists but even her page doesn’t have all these “curvaceous”, “stunningly beautiful”, and what not adjectives. Isn’t that a POV issue?Trillfendi (talk) 22:25, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • You also have a lack of understanding of what WP:OR means. When you remove well-sourced content and describe it as removal of OR, that further undermines your credibility. I am going to have to restore that again and hope you can at some point learn basic WP WP:MOS terminology.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:49, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
When someone went out of their way to find information about her family without giving independent, reliable sources—it’s original research. So I’m not going to sit here and watch you try to justify it or change the meaning of original research. Common sense! And don’t try to deflect your logical fallacies toward me; who cares about my “credibility” when I’m not a professional biographer, I’m just a person who sees issues with this article and brought them up. Since you’re so personally in it then address it!Trillfendi (talk) 12:18, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
The content that seems to be at issue has WP:ICs from WP:RS, which is the point.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:47, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
Then why reinsert original research? Unnecessary.Trillfendi (talk) 17:21, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
I don't know how to talk to you. You have been on WP for nearly 5 years but only have about 3000 edits and seem not to understand anything. When I say it is content that has WP:ICs from WP:RS, that means it is not WP:OR. Please learn what OR is.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:52, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
Your lack of communcation skills are for you to address within yourself. I’ve been on Wikipedia “5 years” (4 years since you’re counting) because I began making random edits in 2014 and 2015. If you care so much, evidently you do to have looked at the contributions, I didn’t give a crap whatsoever about editing until mid-2016 that’s why there are only ~3,000 edits. I don’t consecrate my life to Wikipedia to have made over 369,000 edits 🙄. Now, I had clearly pointed out, and someone else concurred, that searching obituaries to find family information related to her grandma, an obituary Emily is not even mentioned in, and looking for books (one that is impossible to otherwise find unless they took her class) that were NOT referenced in previously stated citations could constitute original research; let alone the fact that the article is not about them. I also recommended creating separate pages for Dr. Kathleen Balgley and John Ratajkowski with some of the information given and to find reliable sources for other info. And I already said I had removed some citations because of the very reason you mentioned, inline citations and reliable sources, so we really don’t need 3:1 for somebody’s name and ethnicity. Stop trying to make this about me. If that early life section looked more like how it did in 2014-mid 2018 there wouldn’t be an issue to speak of. It was IP,IP, and IP users who made those edits so I don’t get why you’re the one getting so defensive about a page you don’t own. (That LA Confidential source was sufficient).Trillfendi (talk) 00:08, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
FYI, the presentation of diff links in this comment are the proper way to show diffs. this is edit is not so bad. Obituaries are considered reliable sources for some facts, but not others because of the reduced editorial procedures. I am not so high on the blockquote, but could take or leave the additional citation content. this content is not something I would pursue, but if we have it, it is a positive rather than a negative. this content is borderline excessive. However, it is encyclopedic content in the article for the mother if someone wants to create that. I am not sure if it would pass WP:GNG however. Finding WP:RS is never considered WP:OR no matter how WP:CRUFTy the content.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:12, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
Could you clarify what content you think fails WP:V.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:12, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
I've seen other articles reject obituaries of grandparents. Anywho, I'm going to keep pointing it out. You cannot find this kind of information about her ancestry without unmitigated original research. Point blank. Someone even went looking back to the 1800s A substantial amount of information about her mother is already in that New York Times piece, and that's really all we need to know isn't it. Being a Fulbright scholar is admirable, I get it, but why are people searching deep through the bowels of Al Gore's Internet for her schoolbooks (unless they took her class; a book not mentioned in any of those citations at all), what dates she taught classes, and her ancestors etc. Her CV shouldn't take up a section about her daughter, that doesn't happen in any other article. Emily simply said "she's an English professor" and it should just be left at that. Example: If you look at Gisele Bündchen's early life, her father is also a professor but there aren't any excruciating details. She's the most famous Brazilian export next to cane sugar but even Brazilian media don't go this far even when they interview him. When you google "Margaret Balgley" you get 21 results of private information.Trillfendi (talk) 21:25, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
I could go either way on the obit content. If you really care you can chop that, but I would rather a third party other than you or I give an opinion.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:40, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

The article definitely does not meet GA standards; to be frank, it resembles an obsessive fan page rather than an encyclopedia article. For one, it's way too long and detailed. It seems to list every single thing that this person has ever done, without any consideration for what is relevant. Furthermore, one gets the impression that Ratajkowski is a major figure in Western culture, instead of a model/social media influencer/starlet that has garnered some media attention in the previous five years and is mostly remembered as the girl in the "Blurred Lines" video. The language of the article is weasel-y and nowhere near neutral. Looking at TonyTheTiger's previous interactions regarding this article and his replies here, it does not seem that he handles criticism well. My suggestion would be to not only downgrade the article, but for TonyTheTiger to take a break from editing it and allow neutral editors to heavily edit it to meet encyclopedic standards. Quality, not quantity is the key word here. TrueHeartSusie3 (talk) 17:33, 16 November 2018 (UTC)TrueHeartSusie3

As a outside observer and one who does not wish to engage in anything further then this comment; it seems like the problem people have is with the subject themselves and their personal opinion that her status in culture does not require a full biography. People have to face the fact that "social media" people are the "it group" of this century. It's all just nitpicking. The nom even reveals bias in their obsession with her feminist views; it's frankly insulting to suggest that her views or work should not deserve adequate information. Marilyn Monroe and Charlie Chaplin's articles can be nitpicked in the same exact way. How are you supposed to build a adequate article on a 21st century figure with these types of critiques? Are they supposed to be stubs until the 23rd century? How was Marilyn's playboy photoshoot included in her article for some time without the controversy that the Treats photoshoot got? Oh yeah, perceived historicity by the reflection of time; it's not ludicrous to treat modern subjects with the same detail as long dead people. People like PewDiePie, Kim Kardashian, Jenna Jameson, Miranda Kerr, Conor McGregor, Avicii, and Nicki Minaj and their respective fields are going to be the seen as representative of this century and it's reductive to say participants of such are not allowed to be anything other then a stub while "neutral" editors can fix it. You could nitpick anything; let's use Monroe; without the hyper sensationalism and tabloid coverage of her; she's only a popular actress who worked for a decade as top billing; why is her article so detailed? All because Bündchens article sucks should not mean anything either. To call this page a obsessive fanpage is flat out insulting to the editors who have tried their best with what they had. GuzzyG (talk) 22:54, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

@GuzzyG: I have no problem with her feminist views (newsflash, I consider myself one too and I’m not “obsessed” with anything about her unlike this TonytheTiger character who... well it goes without saying. But I wouldn’t even point that out. I’ve probably made less than 5 edits to this article at all. Taking 5 seconds to point out something isn’t an obsession.) or her status in Hollywood. I’ve been knowing who she was since her iCarly days, that has nothing to do with how I perceive this article lacking in “good article” quality for the reasons I stated at the jump. (Side note:Take a look at the Talk page and Archive 1, you will see people from months or years ago pointing out exactly the type of problems I did). After a few paragraphs or so, if you actually read this thing, it couldn’t be more apparent. As I had said, take a look at Emma Watson and see how it’s written objectively on that subject. Then compare. I’m willing to at least attempt to address the many issues on this article but clearly it will be rebuffed because the “obsessed” people think they have a copyright the article. I said nothing of the quality of Bündchen’s article, I said that people don’t go through incredible lengths for her family’s employment history when the article is about her and her modeling career. For the majority of this article’s history these problems weren’t even there and it wasn’t a stub. She doesn’t need tabloid coverage for an article when she is probably the only model of this generation to have her career even chronicled in depth by the New York Times (after only her first big job).Trillfendi (talk) 00:07, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
It's the same merry-go-round again. People point out major flaws in the article, and get accused of hating the subject. The issues don't get solved due to a couple of editors not understanding the difference between an encyclopedia and a fan site, and how the writing style, research and choices on what to include are different between those two formats. Please have a look at the numerous peer reviews and featured article candidacies that this article has gone through. I'm not even going to get deep into this as I know some people do not want to accept criticism but only see it as a personal attack, this is useless and quite frankly one of the reasons why Wikipedia isn't taken seriously. TrueHeartSusie3 (talk) 10:39, 20 November 2018 (UTC)TrueHeartSusie3
@TrueHeartSusie3: Anyone who tried to contact her modeling agency and tried to get her a featured article “for her birthday” or anyone thinks her “hotness” prevents her from having a quality article can’t really see this objectively. One could only hope that whoever closes and demotes this does, because it could not possibly be more blatant.Trillfendi (talk) 18:44, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
Sad but true... Either we're anti-feminist (funny given that both of us list being feminist in our profiles...) or we hate Ratajkowski or don't wish her to have an informative article. Or we're supposedly just talking about the inclusion of one image ('cos we are prudes). The discussion about the actual flaws in the article is always directed elsewhere. Sigh. TrueHeartSusie3 (talk) 19:16, 20 November 2018 (UTC)TrueHeartSusie3
  • GuzzyG, I have decided to let this topic go forth without my influence and I appreciate your editorial perspective. The smallmindedness of Trillfendi who talks about people written about in The New York Times as if she knows better about what is appropriate subject matter for their publication than the NYT editors do. She then uses that same smallmindedness that compels her to tell us that she knows better about what should be in the NYT than their editors to tell us that she knows better about what should be in WP than WP editors who spend the most time with a subject. I think any non-professional author who thinks their soapbox should be used to point out that they have a better understanding of what is NYTworthy than the NYT themselves should log off for a while and look in the mirror to analyze their own hubris. I am often accused of being obsessed with a topic beyond the realm of normalcy. WP:CBBALL guys have had it out with me on several articles (Jabari Parker, Jahlil Okafor and Nik Stauskas) to name a few. Even the national media has gotten in on the act. There is a local journalist named Scott Powers (formerly a high school basketball reporter and now a Chicago Blackhawks reporter) who was really troubled by my enthusiasm for Parker. WRT TrueHeartSusie3, I use to spend a lot of time digging for details on subjects that I cared about. I continue to believe in WP:PRESERVE. I really don't think hatcheting the subject would serve the betterment of the article for the reader or for WP. I think a reviewer should consider GuzzyG's eloquent summary of this discussion. I would be more vocal in this discussion, but people are trying so hard to paint me as something other than a hardworker on the subjects that I care about. Why don't you spend your time bothering professional editors who are editing for pay.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:33, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
You just don’t get it do you,@TonyTheTiger:, but you wouldn’t because you’re still blinded by your obsession of her that you can’t see what we see, Mr. I Tried 5 Times to Get Her a Featured Article for Her Birthday, To No Avail. No one says you haven’t “worked hard” on this article, so here’s a pat on the head. I thought we were all over this by now being as it’s been a month. I never even said anything against the New York Times article (learn to fucking read), in fact I said not many models of this generation even get that kind of article from them (it was a compliment...) and that a substantial amount of information about her early life is in that article. Now please show me where I implied that I “know better” than the New York Times based on their reporting. Feel free to type in New York Times and find my comment if that helps. Trillfendi (talk) 05:57, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
Trillfendi, I read your comment as meaning you don't think she deserved to be in the NYT after only one big job. Full stop.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:29, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
@TonyTheTiger:, it's good that you're admitting that this is not the first time you've run into such issues, I respect that. The issue is that you're not collecting/preserving these details in the right format. A general encyclopedia that tries to cover every subject in the world isn't for that, here each article should focus on giving general overviews of the topic and highlighting only the important events and subjects related to the topic. It means that a lot of material gets left out. The audience we're writing for isn't the fan or expert of topic X, it's for the person who's heard of a topic and doesn't have a lot of prior information on it; they come here to get an overview. Instead, I suggest that you start a blog or a personal website, or collaborate with people who are already running such for the people you're interested in. In those formats, your interest in finding and retaining so much detail would be gold. The audience for those would also be different, you'd be writing for people who want to know everything on a subject rather than just the basics.
As it has been mentioned, the reason why the two bios I've worked on that are FA's (Marilyn Monroe and Charlie Chaplin) might seem so detailed at first glance is that not only do they cover a long time (88 years for Chaplin, 60+ of which he was internationally famous) and the subjects are key figures in 20th century popular culture, who continue to have major impact and interest both to academics and the general public even today. Further trimming is always something I'm interested in as readability is a priority, but trust me, I've left out a lot of information. Take a look at any biography or fan website and you see, the articles really focus on the main bits. Had I listed everything that happened in these people's public lives, we'd need an entire encyclopedia for each of them. What remains is material that explains key issues, nothing more. The problem with Em Rata's article is that it lists everything that has happened so far in her public life, with little consideration for whether all that material needs to be there.
However, the very main difference between the MM/CC articles and Ratajkowski is that the former are in the past, and Ratajkowski is a present public figure who has been famous for less than ten years. We cannot retain all possible information in the article just because it might be important in the future; we have no crystal ball, and Wikipedia most certainly isn't in the business of making such predictions. It may be that Ratajkowski stays famous for the next 50 years and will be seen as a major public figure in 21st century pop culture, or it might be that she's seen as a model who had some fame in 2010s and was in a controversial music video. We don't know yet, and her current status does not suggest that she should have a very long article. TrueHeartSusie3 (talk) 11:28, 12 December 2018 (UTC)TrueHeartSusie3
TrueHeartSusie3, I will probably always find myself on the liberal end of content inclusion. I spend a lot of time writing newish subjects of notability. I spent a lot of time detailing such subjects in the first half of this decade. As noted above, many have had issue with me over prior articles. The most storied one is Jabari Parker. His popularity peak was at about the same time as EmRata's. In 2012 and 2013, the year he graduated high school, he got more pageviews than 4 NBA All-Stars for the 2012–13 NBA season and 4 NBA All-Stars for the 2013–14 NBA season (one of the four was redundant in each count, so seven unique individuals). He had only 5.7% fewer pageviews than the 2012-13 NBA Rookie of the Year Damian Lillard. He was on the cover of Sports Illustrated as a high school junior. I had a lot of fun cramming facts in his article. The masses have since spoken against my efforts. This is similar to what is happening with EmRata here who was quite topical around the same time. Other editors may impose standards different than my own on the article at some point. My FA experience in terms of bios is mostly sports figures (Juwan Howard, Tyrone Wheatley, Tommy Amaker) and a politician (Richard Cordray). The sports figures were had almost all completed their athletic careers by the time I got them to FA (Howard retired a few months later and Amaker is retired player who is a coach). They were at very different stages of their careers than Parker or Ratajkowski. You are being generous in the continuing possibility that EmRata is to be a major public figure in 21st century pop culture. 3 straight direct to video movies is sort of an answer to that possibility. The long and the short of it is that I have not been able to calibrate my summarizing secondary sources for newish topics to a level of detail that other editors seem to want to support. I continue to think I am summarizing RS with relevant content. I will probably forever continue to disagree with others about this.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:24, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Just so it is crystal clear to anyone who comes across this reassessment and/or decides to join: please understand this article is being proposed for demotion primarily because of original research, citation overkill, promotional prose, and neutrality. Before the cereal guy decided to turn it into a personal indictment on his life's work, that's what we were discussing. I have given numerous examples on those subjects. This need for reassessment is not about what I, or any of us, think about Emily Ratajkowski, her looks, her career, her family, her political beliefs, etc. It's not about who has a master's degree in Emily studies. It's certainly not about which publication writes about her. It's about the current quality of the article, nothing more and nothing less. (And maybe if this page had a protection level most of these problems wouldn't be here.) Trillfendi (talk) 01:05, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

  • I have already granted permission to excise the only content that might be OR. The other stuff that you call OR is content that is sourced from WP:RS that you don't think I should have tracked down. I don't have enough time to really do WP justice anymore and EmRata is getting the shaft. I can't afford to spend the time on the details of this article that I once could and am tiring of this debate.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:33, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

I just want to make it clear that i sympathize with both sides to this. I can see the hard work Tony has put in only to be discredited as an obsessive fan (could be said about any FA editor) but also i do agree with the fact that most of the biographical details in the article are obscure in nature and not widely reported. To be clear i was not diminishing Susie's work either, i think the Chaplin and Monroe articles are very good work and so is the work done on the Frida Kahlo page. I want to make it clear i am also not an editor of this page. My interest is in the question of how are we going to accurately create articles on current pop culture figures or figures associated with social media/reality television or any field i have listed above and make them FA quality when they lack the historical lens ala people like Monroe. The PewDiePie article is another one with GA status that someone might view as overly detailed. The biggest thing wrong with this article is the "media image" section, we don't have to include every journalists name and the section is way too focused on unimportant media beauty lists. The problem here is there's no academic assessment or proper biographical coverage of Em Rata and so this article does seem to grab at anything just to have something to have in it. This page does come across as moving rapidly between "she did this, now she did this" which does come across as more of a fan page then encyclopedic prose; i think this page could be written as more of a general overview rather as listing specific instances as has been said above. Regarding the Monroe article; it is over the top that Em Rata's page is 170,643 bytes and the FA Monroe article is 122,766 bytes which makes it clear this article probably should be edited down a bit. Articles like Lady Gaga, Katy Perry and Taylor Swift have the same type of problem though; it's just impossible to get a well written biography of someone who has not been extensively researched and who has a active career and in that case this article is not that unlike others of it's kind. GuzzyG (talk) 16:12, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Even if other pages aren't perfect with regard to such sections (which I've elsewhere seen referred to as "public image" or "in the media"), I concur that the "Media image" is quite bloated here. It should overall focus on her public perception more than her own thoughts. I would take the following out from it:
  • We Are Your Friends reviews would be better for "Breakthrough" if anywhere as those pertain to her performance in the movie instead of her overall image
  • The Lenny Letter paragraph because it is more about Ratajkowski's personal thoughts/experiences than how the public perceives her
  • Defending Melania Trump; not related to her image at all
Maybe more will come to mind later, but those are definite issues with the section. I overall say delist per this, the issues I mentioned above, and subpar sources (i.e. Stylecaster.com, Cinemablend.com, Daily Mirror, Askmen, Page Six, The Daily Beast, Us Weekly). SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 17:52, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
  • I haven't dug into this enough to assess the article overall, but that bit about losing jobs because of her cleavage really needs to be removed or at the very least reworked. It sounds sexist as hell, though I think it's safe to say that wasn't the author's intent. The quote from her needs context to make it work, if that's at all possible. Vanamonde (talk) 06:33, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Imbrex and tegula[edit]

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Good Article reassessment[edit]

This article gained Good Article status in 2006. It was briefly reassessed in 2007. I think it should be reassessed again now. I do want to note that the criteria in 2007 are pretty much the same as the current six criteria criteria. However, I believe that the thoroughness by which it was applied in 2007, and it is applied now, is different. Besides the history of assessments, I believe that at present this article needs to be re-assessed:

1. Well written: Allow.png in my view the prose is clear and concise, and well structured
2. Verifiable with no original research:
Allow.png no original research
Questionmark-icon.png Some inline citations are missing. It is an issue that could be easily solved.
Questionmark-icon.png So far this article's lead presents no inline citations. While it is optional to have inline citations in the lead section, usually most of the information summarized in the lead section needs to be presented in the main body of the article, and have there cited sources. However, there are some parts this lead section that are only mentioned in the lead. That presents with one or two shortcomings: first, there is definitely a lack of inline citations. Second, I also wonder if the information presented in the lead should be presented and expanded in the main body of the article, per manual of style.(examples: "The roofing area was generally surrounded by antefixae which were often decorated, and had several decorative anthemia to cover each end row imbrex.", " is still in use today as an international feature of style and design")
3. Broad in its coverage
Questionmark-icon.png that I think is they key question here. A short length of an article is not per se a disqualifier from being a good article, but this article nevertheless does not seem to cover the topic well. Some potential gaps in coverage are:
  • The lead section states that Imbrex and tegula are "still in use today", but the History and development section stops its coverage more than 2000 years from the present day.
    • Also possibly a new section on the use in modern architecture could be included
  • As mentioned above, there are several pieces of information in the lead that are not mentioned in the rest of the article. That seems to indicate a lack of breadth in the body of the article.
4. Neutral: Allow.png yes, it is neutrally written.
5. Stable: Allow.png yes, seems stable.
6. Illustrated: Allow.png yes, well illustrated with six well-selected images.

Don't get me wrong, what is written, is well written, and is very informative-- great job so far by those who have contributed! I just think that the classification as Good Article is maybe not the most suitable at this time (unless the article is expanded and citations added). This is my first time initiating the reassessment of an article's quality, so I very much would like to see what the community thinks.

I would like to invite @CatherineMunro: who was the largest contributor to this article, as well as any other interested editors, to respond. Thank you (talk) user:Al83tito 5:07, 18 November 2018 (UTC)


Jim and Mary McCartney[edit]

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Quite frankly it’s beyond me how this qualifies as a “good article”. I’m trying to even find the good article reviews of this page from 2007, to no avail. For years, people have questioned the not-inherited notability of these two people yet Beatles stans have taken personal offense to it. For one, I question the notability myself. Mrs. Mary McCartney died a decade before “Let it Be” was written and it’s not as if she gets writing credit for it; the inspiration behind it is beautiful and all, but being the parent of a famous person isn’t WP:GNG. And Mr. Jim McCartney doesn’t have a music career to speak of, he was an amateur, so how is this a good article in the music category? Secondly, just about all these links are dead, not reliable sources, or fan blogs are used as sources (unacceptable). This article is really just Beatles memorabilia with some maps of Liverpool, where the notability stands on Paul McCartney. And it clearly relies on primary Beatles sources. I won’t go so far as to say some original research was done, but a lot of this info isn’t even verifiable.Trillfendi (talk) 15:44, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

  • The GA review is quite easy to find, it is in the archive of the article talk page here. It still appears to be GA quality to me. The majority of the article is not sourced to primary sources or fan blogs but two quality biographies (Spitz and Miles) which are reliable secondary sources. If you have notability concerns, nominate it for deletion - it already survived an AfD in 2014. Pawnkingthree (talk) 02:30, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
If I wanted to nominate this article for deletion I would have done that instead of this. But this article is two-in-one so that’s futile regardless. Also, isn’t the Spitz biography alleged to have “factual errors”? And Miles’s is apparently accused of revisionist history from McCartney’s first person perspective (and he was directly involved). Trillfendi (talk) 04:02, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
I don’t know exactly where Spitz and Miles fall on the Mark Lewisohn to Albert Goldman scale of Beatle bios - my point was more that they are both major works by reputable mainstream publishing houses and therefore it was unfair of you to characterize the references as being primary sources and blogs. The article became a GA in 2007 (and unfortunately its author Andreasedge has long since retired) so it may well be that it could use a overhaul but I don’t see it as an obvious fail. Perhaps it would be helpful if you pointed to specific GA criteria in which you feel it is lacking? -- Pawnkingthree (talk) 01:49, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
It wasn’t even those books that I was referring to as blogs. It’s obvious crap like [www.classicbands.com/RuthMcCartneyInterview.html this], and for God’s sake, websites called “magicbeatlestours.com”.Trillfendi (talk) 02:04, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
Is that really "obvious crap"? Classicbands.com has been running since 2000, isn't user-generated and seems to have editorial oversight [4]. (I did check WP:RSN but couldn't find a discussion about them.) I would have thought they would be ok for just an interview. The other website is being used for a statement that is already sourced to the Miles book, so that could go.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:52, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
I mean any blog can get interviews if they just reach out, right. From the looks of it, that website falls into the blog/fansite category rather than a music publication website such as a Pitchfork. It also appears that most if not all of these illustrations violate copyright. Even if this article solely had to rely on these two Beatles biographies, in my opinion it still doesn’t meet GA. Honestly if it was up to me the whole thing would be merged with Personal relationships of Paul McCartney. Trillfendi (talk) 07:54, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Delist I concur that this should be merged to a Paul McCartney page and shouldn't have become GA in the first place. Many Beatles fans do indeed unfortunately overreact to the idea of deleting pages on relatives. Don't get me wrong; I enjoy the band myself, but that doesn't mean I can or should give their family extra leniency. Notability isn't inherited and neither parent is really known for anything of their own merit (i.e. not based on family connections). Even if Jim and Mary did warrant more than just being redirected to something on the Beatle, having a biography with potential factual errors is a concern, so are dead links, and why would people use Google Maps as a source for any claims? See Yew Tree Cemetery, 72 Western Ave, and 12 Ardwick Rd for examples. Excessive family details is also a concern (i.e. I fail to see how it's worth going so much into moving from house to house or "Joe never drank alcohol, went to bed at 10 o'clock every night, and the only swear word he used was 'Jaysus'. Florrie was known as 'Granny Mac' in the neighbourhood and was often consulted when families had problems."). "Beatles memorabilia with some maps of Liverpool" seems like an appropriate description to me. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 02:16, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Procedural close of this GAR - This is the WP:WRONG VENUE to discuss merging. It still appears to me the that the people suggesting delist are more upset about the very existence of this article than its quality. These concerns should be hashed out at AfD. -Indy beetle (talk) 16:37, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
@Indy beetle: I have pointed out many instances of why this article does not meet Good article quality and feel free to visit the page yourself to see exactly what I’m talking about. If one is going to do an article about family members it has to have the same standards as the subject, regardless. Merging with Personal relationships of Paul McCartney was simply my own opinion and a frivolous comment. Not an offical proposal of merging right now. And if it gets to that point, I will propose deletion if I see the need. Trillfendi (talk) 17:08, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
If it’s not clear: copyright violations, many, many unreliable sources, and verifiability are the main reasons this is being reassessed. Trillfendi (talk) 17:13, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
It's not clear how you got to the copyright violation illustration assertion. Most of these photos are fair use, unless you think the justification forms were done incorrectly? -Indy beetle (talk) 02:14, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Caesium fluoride[edit]

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The article has been tagged with a maintenance template thus I don't think it qualifies for a WP:GA. I'd love a neutral party to reassess it. Was first given GA status in 2005 and reassessed in 2007. Think it is time to re-check. --Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 07:51, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

  • The article, in its current state, does not meet GA criteria 1b which requires adherence to MOS:LEAD. It should be re-assessed to B-class. It was previously in a better state (in 2007) but has been edited significantly since then. maclean (talk) 23:34, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Racial wage gap in the United States[edit]

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Race Terms I've noticed there seem to have been some concern over the neutrality of this article and more recently some concern over the improper distinction between "Indian Americans", "American Indians" and "Native Americans". And on occasion the use of black rather than African American.

Race or ethnicity The sidebar calls this the ethnic wage gap, the title says racial wage gap

Suspicious Statements I feel like some weasel words may have snuck in since this article was granted good article status

  • Following urban-dominated studies and shifting research based on evolved conceptual and study driven thinking, sociologists determined that the racial composition of a local population means for a key element in racial wage inequality.
  • Studies of the wage gap for various minority races in the United States have revealed a number of factors that contribute to the differences in wages observed between white Americans and Americans of other races. The factors contributing to the wage gaps for various races and the degree to which they affect each race varies,[12] but many factors are common to most or all races. (also layout problems with this one)
  • When human capital, skills, and other factors contributing to the racial wage gap are taken into account, many researchers[example needed] find that there is still a portion of the racial wage gap that is unexplained.

General Formatting

  • Percent and % are mixed even in the same section.
  • Not enough bluelinks, as a non-American I need more context what are:Union Army, the Thirteenth Amendment, Confederacy, some of this stuff might be listed earlier in the article, but it's long so I'm not reading it sequentially, it's ok to repeat some internal links especially if they haven't been mentioned in a while.

Grammatical/fliw and context problems

  • Hispanic and Asian women, in particular, are shown to be most affected; Hispanic and Asian women are shown to fill less skilled, domestic service jobs where the concentration of their black and white counterparts are lower. Such barriers such as language show that such large dominance of immigrant population in such sectors only breed competition between lower-earning groups, further lowering average wages for such families.

Illustration The PNG

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is of insufficient resolution to adequately distinguish its elements at thumbnail size. Specifically which pattern corresponds to which bar is unclear, and the text is fuzzy.

Racial Earnings Comparison.png is of similarily low quality, but of sufficient quality to make out the patterns, just the text is fuzzy.Ethanpet113 (talk) 05:27, 6 December 2018 (UTC)


Queer Eye[edit]

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Large sections of this article are severely lacking in sources, meaning that it fails GA criteria 2: Verifiable with no original research. If this article were being nominated right now for a GA review, I believe it would be quick failed for severely lacking in sources. Was GA nominated in 2007, and the unsourced content was added later, but right now it's nowhere near acceptable as a GA. For example:

  • Format section - completely unsourced
  • Popular and critical response - two paragraphs completely unsourced
  • Spin-off series - completely unsourced
  • International adaptations - some text unsourced, most country's spinoff shows are completely unsourced
  • Merchandising - four sentences unsourced

All in all, this doesn't meet the standards of verified text required for GA, as there's far too much original research. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:56, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

  • Delist per nomination.100cellsman (talk) 05:14, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Delist I agree, without citations for verification it cannot be a Good Article. Trillfendi (talk) 07:04, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Scott Smith (American politician)[edit]

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Article was promoted 10 years ago. Since then the article has not been properly updated and the prose is in bad shape. Specifically the article fails:

  • Criteria 1 (Well-written): the prose is choppy and in poor condition (i.e. "His first attempt at public office, Smith was the first person since 1966 to be elected mayor of Mesa without having first served on the Mesa City Council."). There are multiple, albeit relatively small, MOS issues throughout.
  • Criteria 2 (Verification): there are a number of unsourced statements in the article, as well as bare urls citations (notably in the "Early life and education" and "Mayor of Mesa (2008-present)" sections).
  • Criteria 3 (Broadness): the coverage of his run for governor is severely lacking and the article does not include any details after this. He currently is the CEO of Valley Metro and took over after a serious scandal occurred with the former CEO. This needs a serious update and expansion.

I don't believe this lives up to the criteria anymore. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 18:23, 13 December 2018 (UTC)


Fine Brothers[edit]

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I believe the article fails on a manual of style basis. The sourcing isn't standardized and so it looks a little off-putting there. I also don't believe the prose is written up to GA standards. That being said, as the creator of the article, I would just like to have a community reassessment process done. Thank you. Soulbust (talk) 22:01, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

  • The article fails criterion 3a because it doesn't have anything about Sing It! other than a passing mention in the lead and an empty sub-section. I don't see anything egregious. wumbolo ^^^ 10:38, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Heartbleed[edit]

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  • In the four years since this article was listed as a GA, a number of verifiability problems have crept in, to the extent that the page no longer meets the Verifiability criterion for Good Articles. I'm listing this for community reassessment because although I noticed this page in skimming through some GAs, I have had unpleasant interactions with the editor who nominated this for GA status (who has since been indeffed for sockpuppetry). Vanamonde (talk) 06:09, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Delist if uncited statements are not fixed in a timely manner. buidhe (formerly Catrìona) 03:09, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Delist, per my statement above, and because the unsourced content is somewhat technical material; fixing it isn't a trivial undertaking. Vanamonde (talk) 06:01, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Despacito[edit]

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I think it would probably be a good idea for this article's GA status to be reassed based upon the discussion at User talk:Fhsig13#Despacito, in particular this comment left by Tbhotch. Although I believe the GA review was carried out in good faith, the statement I'm not going to check 400+ citations in depth, however the vast majority seemed to standard when I gave the list a once-over. left by the reviewer for item 2b as well as the statement No copyright status given on most images. given for item 6a since the version which was reviewed make it seem that the review was hastily carried out. There were only six files (three non-free ones and three Commons files) and checking their respective pages for their licensing shouldn't have been to difficult to do. Out of the seven parts of a GA review, it seems that making sure copyright files are properly licensed and being used correctly would be quite important. Finally, no reference was made to earlier failed GA review or how the issues raised therein were fixed; this makes me wonder whether the GA reviewer was aware of the previous review. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:01, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

  • Comment -- Off a glance, I'm seeing no glaring issues that could not be quickly addressed. This is comprehensively written and has good enough prose quality. Though I agree that the GA review for this definitely looks rushed and its unlikely that there were absolutely no problems with an article this lengthy. I suggest having an experienced GA reviewer look this over and post their suggestions for improvement here. I'd even volunteer myself to address them in case the original nominator doesn't want to. If that happens I'd support not delisting. Regards.--NØ 15:42, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Sleepy Hollow (film)[edit]

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The "Plot" and "Cast" sections are currently completely unreferenced, and I have therefore placed the {{unreferenced section}} templates on them. This brings it under the "Immediate failure" criterion of the Wikipedia:Good article criteria, so the issue either needs to be resolved or the article needs to be delisted as a GA. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 11:49, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

@Amakuru: The plot section of a work of fiction usually does not require citation, per MOS:PLOTSOURCE: the film itself is assumed to be the source. I personally try to provide references where possible to avoid any potential for conflict, but it isn't a GA-pass criterion. The sourcing for the cast section is a concern, but one that should be a lot easier to resolve. Vanamonde (talk) 12:04, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
@Vanamonde93: ah OK, thank you. I wasn't aware of the MOS:PLOTSOURCE allowance, but I guess that does make sense. I've removed the orange tag from that section. Hopefully the cast can be dealt with fairly easily then, and we can close this quickly.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:14, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Long hair[edit]

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This article certainly needs reassessment. Its Good Article assessment has not been revisited since it was first assessed as such in 2007. The article noticeably falls below today's standards for a "Good Article" assessment, thus necessitating reassessment. Among other issues, the article appears rather euro-centric, scattered, and contains a section which has been marked as lacking citation since August 2014. Recognizing this, I am opening a community reassessment of the article. SecretName101 (talk) 16:36, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

  • Delist: does not meet GA criteria. We have lots of {{cn}} tags, some contentious statements needing quotation to verify, and some bits that look like OR. The Sikhism section, which has the unreferenced tag, also looks like undue weight to a pretty small culture out of 7 billion people. The Japan and Transferred Meaning sections are also unreferenced. Some cultures are totally absent, such as Eastern Europe and Central Asia. "Native Americans" section seems to only cover tribes from the US, with no attention to differences between groups or the culture of indigenous peoples of South America. Overall, it's quite difficult to cover most cultures in world history in one article, but this doesn't do it. buidhe (formerly Catrìona) 21:15, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Scotland[edit]

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  • Delist: This is a poorly maintained GA article that no longer meets the criteria. Many statements lack an inline citation, which might be acceptable if there was a "General References" section where readers could verify the information. There isn't, so it fails WP:V. In addition, a partial search of the references identified the following issues (see talk page):
  • Potentially unreliable sources:
  • Catholic.org: a WP:SPS. See this RSN discussion. Refs 2–5.
  • Orkneyjar.com: looks like a WP:SPS. Ref 44
  • Kinneil Estate: a wordpress blog. Ref 45
  • Rampant Scotland: looks like a WP:SPS. Refs 176 and 352.
  • Partial citation without enough information to identify the source: 43 (Bryson), 121 (Evans), 122 (Sereny)
  • Many of the book citations are missing page numbers. This isn't necessarily an issue with the GA criteria, but in some cases these references are supporting direct quotes or controversial information, such as "the one internationally recognised Scottish landmark". How are readers supposed to verify that without a page number?
  • Some citations do not support the content that they purport to, for example the citation in "Scottish Music" supports very little of the content in that section; the paragraph beginning with "Scotland's universities are complemented" is not supported by the ref.
  • There is overcite in some cases, see cleanup tags on the article.
  • The coverage in some areas is inadequate: for example, the section on Scottish literature does not mention any Gaelic writers, such as Nobel Prize nominee Sorley MacLean.
  • Also, some areas are too detailed for WP:SUMMARY: an entire paragraph (!) about what titles British monarchs are allowed to use in Scotland.
  • "Other currently less popular candidates for the National Anthem of Scotland include Scotland the Brave, Highland Cathedral, Scots Wha Hae and A Man's A Man for A' That"—potentially controversial information without a citation.
  • Direct quote with no source or citation: "largest electrified rail network outside London"
  • Some of the prose is not NPOV: for example, "unrivalled anywhere in Britain", "Thoughtful Scots pondered their declension, as the main social indicators such as poor health, bad housing, and long-term mass unemployment, pointed to terminal social and economic stagnation at best, or even a downward spiral. Service abroad on behalf of the Empire lost its allure to ambitious young people, who left Scotland permanently."
  • Another POV issue is the paragraph beginning: "During the Second World War", which omits the fact that German bombers targeted England more because it was closer and therefore easier to get to.
  • Some parts of the article do not meet MOS:IMAGELOC: sandwiching in the "Demographics" section
I could go on. There's been a little bit of progress in the last week towards resolving these issues, but not nearly enough to bring it up to GA quality. buidhe (formerly Catrìona) 17:38, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
The copyvio report found some close paraphrasing that needs to be fixed. buidhe (formerly Catrìona) 20:52, 9 January 2019 (UTC)