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November 22[edit]

Sophie, Countess of Wessex[edit]

I have made an edit which has a verifiable citation - yet it comes up as a possible vandalism?!!! Please check our edit - we are all sure it is fine and adds to the biography of the person in question. Thanks 02:06, 22 November 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

Yes, the edit looks fine. Thanks. Grayfell (talk) 02:49, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your help - BUT the Debrett's Peerage book - which is currently beside me as I write - was published in 2000, NOT 2015 - should the correct date be amended on the recent edit on the Sophie, Countess of Wessex page? Or is it fine to leave it as 2015? Thanks again101.182.250.204 (talk) 03:22, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Please someone help[edit]

Is the date on ref. number 29 0k on the above page? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Srbernadette (talkcontribs) 06:11, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Trying to upload new version of an image file, but it stays the same[edit]

I'm trying to upload a better version of the image file: File:EU members where more people in favor of the European Federation.png. I've tried twice now, but the new version that I'm uploading doesn't show up. It still just shows the old version with mistakes, even though the file size has changed. How do I get the image to actually change? Do I just have to wait or something? (note: I'm doing this on Wiki Commons by pressing the "Upload a new version of this file" button) --Hibernian (talk) 08:35, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

The file as I see it has your changes. (BTW your link to the file above was wrong; so I fixed the file link.) —teb728 t c 10:43, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
I have had the same problem recently and had to wait several hours before the new file displayed...GrahamHardy (talk) 11:49, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
Ok, it seems to be displaying correctly now. --Hibernian (talk) 14:57, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

create new wikipedia page[edit]


i am new to wikipedia. Can you please guide me how to create a new article on wikpedia. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chayan11 (talkcontribs) 08:53, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi @Chayan11: there are a couple of guides available, how about you check out My first article, and when you've given that a good read, try using the article wizard to create your page. What are you going to write about? Face-smile.svg samtar {t} 08:58, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Referencing errors on List of PlayStation games[edit]

Reference help requested. Well, I was editing List of PlayStation games in Wikipedia because I wanted to fix the tables a bit, however, ReferenceBot told me that one of the links is broken. As I'm checking which link is broken, I found out that the broken link in question was containing somewhat profane words (which happens to be the name of one of the video games there), it was automatically censored when I was editing with the censorship filter on (maybe I shouldn't keep the filter on when in the middle of editing next time). This gives me a dilemma. I wanted to keep the knowledge alive, but I don't want to write the profanity words because I'm not fond of that word, so, what should I do? Thanks, WindVee (talk) 13:59, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

There is a space character in the |url= value. Remove that and the error goes away and the link works. It appears that all you actually need of the url is:
Wikipedia is not censored. It does not matter that some might consider the game's name to be 'profane'. The game's name is the game's name and we don't hide it behind !@#$%^&*! non-sense strings.
Trappist the monk (talk) 14:20, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
Indeed. See WP:NOTCENSORED. You might be offended by a word but that doesn't mean that others are. Dismas|(talk) 14:30, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
Well, yeah, but I have no idea that the add-on on my browser's part doing the censorship on the edit box as well and replacing it with !@#$%^&*! strings as I'm editing it, even though it was not my main purpose when editing at that moment, and I don't think I want to write that word because, sadly, it's forbidden for me to do so :( WindVee (talk) 14:40, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Dear Jim[edit]


I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 5 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.--Fauzan✆ talk✉ mail 15:00, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
I'm tagging the OP since they likely don't know how to get back here given that they didn't know where they were in the first place... User:Former Mcfarland. Dismas|(talk) 15:09, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Billesdon[edit]

Reference help requested.

Hi, I'm new and ran out of time yesterday. I am going to try to sort this out later today

Thanks, PBrist (talk) 14:59, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi PBrist. The first time you use a citation, give it a name <ref name="Intuitive Name">Citation text</ref>. The next time you want to use that citation, use just the first part with a forward closing slash at the end before the ">" (a space also is conventional, though not required). Thus: <ref name="Intuitive Name" /> See Help:Referencing for beginners#Same reference used more than once). Do not use one cite for each sentence. In general, if the content of a single paragraph is all verified by one reference, and there's no other cites to be placed in between, just place the one citation to the source at the end of the paragraph. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:49, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

moved from section with duplicate name lower down to keep issues together. DES (talk) 17:28, 22 November 2015 (UTC) Hi there, I'm new and had some problems with referencing yesterday, but had to leave it as I ran out of time. Page is I responded to this in 'talk' to say I would be back to it today, and now I've read the guidance again I went in to fix the errors and find someone has already done it. Thanks for that, whoever it was. That person has also removed many of the references so there is just one per para. I agree there were too many, and was going to remove some today after a final read through when I had sorted out formatting, but would like to know if one ref per para is 'house style'? For example, one of the church paragraphs is quite long, and now the only ref is at the end of the section, if someone else adds a sentence in the middle and references that, then people will be confused about where the info before that point is from. As I would like to edit more pages, would someone please clarify correct procedure. Thank you. Oops, sorry, just realised someone has answered this - although no new message indicated in Talk. Hopefully I'll get the hang of this soon.

Thanks, PBrist (talk) 16:53, 22 November 2015 (UTC) End content moved from below.

PBrist How often to repeat a citation is a judgement call, there is no one answer that is always correct. A fact that has been challenged, or that is controversial and is likely to be challenged, should have a cite directly after the sentence, or perhaps even the clause, that states the fact. Direct quotes should be cited right after the end of the quote. Where several sentences in a paragraph are all supported by the same source, and no other statement in the paragraph needs a different citation, a single cite at the end of the paragraph will do. See Wikipedia:Citing sources#When and why to cite sources and the later sections of that page for more detail. DES (talk) 17:28, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

need log in help[edit]


I have not edited in a couple of years. I have some new historical info to impart. However, when I try to log in it says "Fill in one of the fields to receive a temporary password via email. There is no email address recorded for user XXXXXXXX" (my user name..not x's)

however all fields are filled out.

Should I just start a new account? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:25, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Yes: if you didn't save an email address with your account, the system will not be able to send you a temporary password, and you will have to register a new account. There's a bit more detail at Help:Logging in#What if I forget the password?. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:25, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
Accounts and passwords never expire so if you have an idea what it might have been then you can try more possibilities. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:22, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Help with Template:Public health[edit]

the user Bazj are wreck the template page Template:Public health.

delete random stuff that he don't like, without proper reason — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:12, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

A few links, two of them redlinks, that is links to pages that do not even exist, and one image (unreadable at the scale involved) were removed by Bazj, and later reinstated by This hardly constitutes "wrecking" the (already very large) navigation template. The proper place to discuss what should and should not be included is at Template talk:Public health. I have reinstated Bazj's removal of the graphics and the redlinks. DES (talk) 17:11, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
The removals were this edit and this edit the reversions are directly after in the template history. DES (talk) 17:14, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

making an edit on a article[edit]

Hi, I made a contribution on the bio of Patricia Barry with regard to an episode of the Virginian she appeared on. I really want to remove my contribution how do i do that once it has been saved Tank you for your time and help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WhyWkik4me (talkcontribs) 17:11, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

If you wish to remove your contribution because it was incorrect, the easiest way is to go to the page history find your edit, and undo it using the undo link. If the contribution was correct, you can remove yours, but there is no guarantee that someone else won't add it again. Prodego talk 17:17, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

How to add citations[edit]

I made an edit on the page for Libraries (in the Research Libraries section) and it was accepted. At the end it says "citation needed". I have the citations but I don't know how to put them in. Thanks. Lakelandcrib 11/22/15Lakelandcrib (talk) 17:40, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Read though this:Wikipedia:Citing sources. --Aspro (talk) 17:51, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
(edit conflict)Lakelandcrib, please read Referencing for Beginners. the short version: insert a <ref>...</ref> pair, and inside pair (after the <ref> and before the </ref> insert the citation details. Personaly i prefer and advise the use of citation templates such as {{cite news}}, {{cite web}}, {{cite book}}, {{cite journal}}, and many others. They format citations consistently, and also embed machine-readable citation information in the page that various programs can use. However, they are not required. If you want to use them, there is a "Cite" menu in the editing bar above the edit window. Click on this, and then on the "templates" item in the sub-bar that displays just below, and pick the desired template, and a handy fill-in form is displayed. Or you can add them manually, see the directions on each template's documentation page, linked above. Does that help? DES (talk) 17:52, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
Aspro, I find that Wikipedia:Citing sources is often a bit much for an editor new to adding citations to Wikipedia, and generally prefer to link to WP:REFB. It contains a simpler set of directions that covers the most common situations. DES (talk) 17:54, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
Don't you think that’s a bit patronizing to a new editor? He may have a computer science degree for all we know (but not necessary familiar with WP protocol) and neither of us know what he wants to cite. If he/she he finds problems understanding my direction (which includes Referencing for Beginners etc.) lets credit him with enough sense to come back here. If you teat children like children, one will end up with children. Relax DESiegel--Aspro (talk) 20:32, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
No actually i don't think that at all, Aspro. I don't know Lakelandcrib's level of general computer knowledge at all, i only know that s/he said "I have the citations but I don't know how to put them in." My experience has been that when an editor new to Wikipedia, or to Wikipedia's citation requirements, is simply thrown at Wikipedia:Citing sources with no further assistance, that editor all too often finds it too hard and gives up in despair. Whereas with a bit of focused basic information, the editor can then go on to the full scope of that page. I don't think it is in any way patronizing to suggest that in starting a new task, most people do better with a basic intro than a fully-detailed user manual, provided that the full details are available when wanted. WP:REFB links to Wikipedia:Citing sources and to several other useful pages and resources. All that said, you can give advice in whatever way you think best, but I urge you to consider pointing editors at WP:REFB in such cases. DES (talk) 20:44, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
With respect, that’s an auto-centric point of view. If you had difficulties understanding citations in the beginning, that does not mean every other new editor will find it unfathomable to the degree that you did. You appear to be presuming that everyone starts at your level and has to be spoon-fed from there up. That's patronizing. The OP had enough sense to post here and knows he can post back for further clarification should s/he need it. Which is why I pointed it out.--Aspro (talk) 19:42, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
Actually, you are making an incorrect assumption, Aspro. (Or perhaps that was sarcasm.) I didn't have much trouble learning how to do citations, and that was in the days before ref tags and cite.php existed, using the much more fragile {{note}} and {{ref}}. I had no problems adapting to the current system. If I judged others by myself, I would never refer anyone to WP:REFB. I am, instead, judging by the many people I have assisted with such issues here at the Help Desk, at the Teahouse (I have about 2000 edits between those two pages), at AfC drafts, and on various user and article talk pages. Many people have said that they have found WP:CITE confusing and too much information to handle at once. Several have also been kind enough to say that my advice was helpful. I also base this on working with and training many people in non-Wikipedia contexts, where I have generally found that most (but not all) people do better when given a comparatively simple summary of a task to start with, and then fuller complexities after they have mastered the basics. I think this is a common human style, along the lines of the common maxim "you must walk before you can run". Since I think this a common style of human learning, attributing it to a particular person is not in the least patronizing -- it merely assumes that the person shares the common human experience. All that said, there is no one-true-way to edit Wikipedia nor to advise and help them. I merely suggested that you consider pointing inquirers who ask about the basics of citing sources here (not about the nuances or more complex cases) to the basic set of instructions. I note that a number of other regular helpers here and at the Teahouse point people to REFB routinely, as does at least one version of the welcome template. So some editors other than me have found it of value. DES (talk) 23:42, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Using a 'Ref Name' group, without losing page numbers?[edit]

Hi, is there a way to group references from the same source, without losing page number information? Thanks. cӨde1+6 LogicBomb! 18:04, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

@Code16: See WP:IBID for common methods to handle it. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:17, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Perfect, thanks. cӨde1+6 LogicBomb! 18:32, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

November 23[edit]

How Bizarre by Pauly Fuemana[edit]

The proud Filipino guy named is misspelled Gil .. and full name is Virgilio Manaois .. which is me .. the site is How Bizarre (song) ....I hope you will correct it for me. thanks... or email me if you want to verify — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:04, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

The cited source says "Hill". Wikipedia bases content on published reliable sources. Do you have a published reliable source for "Gill"? —teb728 t c 06:28, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Article for deletion[edit]

Hello. I published this neutral article but it is under deletion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Neri I. Karra. Please help us resolve dispute by voting fairly on the text and notability after reading my article. --Scoopie-213 (talk) 06:32, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

  • I am not sure if you already know this or not, but the AfD is NOT a popularity vote! You will serve yourself, and Wikipedia, much better if you pay attention to the comments posted there, and see if you can fix the article accordingly. Best, MarkYabloko 10:07, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Birth year[edit]

Kindly note, I am K S Sanjay and officially Tanvi Azmi's Manager. We would like to report that the birth year of Ms Tanvi Azmi is wrongly reported on your page. The correct year is 1963. Also kindly add the names of her children as Meghna (girl) and Viraaj (boy) .

We would be obliged if the changes are made officially. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:41, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia bases content on published reliable sources. Do you have a published reliable source for the proposed change? Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:01, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
As manager, you have a Wikipedia:conflict of interest, so you did the right thing by asking here. Are you sure that you have the correct year of birth? 1963 seems unlikely to me. The children were adopted were they not? Dbfirs 09:21, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
I removed the existing birth date on Tanvi Azmi as it was sourced not to a reliable source, but to a media wing of a PR firm. Further discussions and sourcing is probably better conducted at Talk:Tanvi Azmi. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 18:54, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Merger discussion[edit]

Recently I participated in a merger discussion where the result was against the merger. Is it necessary that someone other than me remove the merge tags from both pages or I am permitted to do this. --Skr15081997 (talk) 09:49, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Yes you can remove the tags. That falls under housekeeping. No need to cite WP:IAR. --Fauzan✆ talk✉ mail 12:13, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
Exactly. If a merge discussion has been closed without consensus to merge, any editor may remove the merge tags. Often the closer will do so as part of the process of closing the discussion, but if not, anyone else may. But do be sure that the discussion has in fact been closed. DES (talk) 12:58, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
  • @DESiegel: The subject case is the merger proposal of article Mrs Funnybones with Twinkle Khanna. I proposed this merger and started discussion at Talk:Twinkle_Khanna#Proposed_merge_with_Mrs_Funnybones. The article "Mrs Funnybones" has been created by Skr15081997 and the merger discussion has involved just two of this. Now Skr15081997 is removing merger notices from both pages and bringing a wrong case over here that the "result was against merger" where in fact there was no result as such as the discussion is still open and not closed. He is now citing this advice by you two in his edit summary and reverting the tags from article pages.
    WP:INVOLVED, which although on face value is meant for Admins says in the starting sentence that "In general, editors should not act as administrators in disputed cases in which they have been involved." The user is also made aware of this clause. Btw, this should also be common sense that one should not judge the case where oneself is accused. But turns out that we need to have all things written on stone to avoid such behavior from editors. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 10:11, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
  • Merger discussion is not required since the book meets the notability guidelines.--Skr15081997 (talk) 10:19, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
That's a statement meant for a different venue. We are now discussing your false representation of things and usage of this discussion to remove maintenance tags from articles which constitutes vandalism. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 10:25, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
I said the same thing during the discussion. Removing inapplicable tags doesn't constitute vandalism. You should have removed the tags yourself. Merger discussion go unnoticed for several months. What's the point in waiting for someone else to close the discussion when it should haven't been initiated at the first place.--Skr15081997 (talk) 10:33, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
Still, wrong venue! §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 10:38, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
  • The editors should reach consensus on the talk page, not here. As DESiegel just pointed out, the discussion needs to be closed, which can be done formally by a closer, or can be inferred from demonstrable mutual agreement of the editors. I have reinstated the tags. --Fauzan✆ talk✉ mail 12:44, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Grammatically error in page Pathani Samanta[edit]

this page has an grammatical mistake kindly correct it. Pathani Samanta — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajib Lochan Nayak (talkcontribs) 12:46, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Rajib Lochan Nayak, Information icon Thank you for your suggestion. When you believe an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the edit this page link at the top.
The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes—they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). DES (talk) 12:55, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
I have removed several errors from the article, I don't know if these include the one you refer to. The article still needs work, for instance "measured the distance from earth". The distance of what from the earth? Maproom (talk) 13:49, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Notifying users of mass MFD nomination[edit]

Can someone help out with this, please? (talk) 14:18, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Armend Thaqi article[edit]

I would use some help about this article. This player plays in Kosova superleage and I put a lot of resources and external links and still someone wants to delete it. Here is the link: — Preceding unsigned comment added by KastriotThaqi (talkcontribs) 16:30, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

KastriotThaqi, is the "Kosova superleage" a fully professional league? If so, can you point to a published reliable source that says so? DES (talk) 16:36, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Image viewing and back-clicking[edit]

I've noticed some odd behavior with Wikipedia that I never see on other websites. It has to do with looking at images.

  • If I am in a Wiki page I click on an image on the right to make it popup. I then click ESC to close the popup.
  • Then if I click the 'back' button on the left side of my mouse it returns me to the popup image instead of a previous webpage.

May not sound like much but if I have been though several wiki pages looking at images and want to go back...I have to click many times to get back to the original page, cumbersome. I see this behavior in both IE and Firefox.

AN EXAMPLE: Go to Dog and click on the dog photo on the right. Click ESC to close the popup, then click the back button on the left of the mouse. Any idea why this occurs? (talk) 18:51, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

On many browsers, right-click on the back button at the top of the page will give a choice of which page to go back to, hence avoiding the need for multiple clicks. I'm not sure, however, how you're getting a popup; if I click on a photo I move on to the file page and don't get a popup. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:05, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

I Figured it out. Wiki uses a "Media Viewer" plugin to show jpgs in full screen mode. If you disable Media Viewer in Firefox this behavior goes away.

So has Media Viewer been made the default for new users? If it has, I offer my apologies, on behalf of those responsible. Anyway, congratulations on figuring out how to disable it! Maproom (talk) 00:04, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
Media Viewer is enabled by default for both registered and unregistered users. If you use the browser back button or a keyboard shortcut (Backspace works in some browsers) to get out of it then you get the expected sequence when the back button is used again later. I assume the same will happen with a mouse back button. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:00, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

November 24[edit]

Page numbers in references[edit]

An edit has recently been made to a page on my watchlist changing the style of page number references. Where previously they read (for example) "pp. 172-181" they have now been changed to "pp. 172-81". I seem to recall doing something similar years ago and being dragged over the coals for it for breaching approved practices but now I've searched in Wikipedia:Manual of Style, Wikipedia:Citing sources and Help:Footnotes and can't see any mention of it. So is there indeed a policy proscribing or even discouraging this? If not did there used to be one or was I called out unjustly? Essentially I want something to put in the edit summary if I make this fairly technical edit whereas if I don't have to I'll happily not bother. Keresaspa (talk) 02:12, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Keresaspa, I think that using all three digits is a bit clearer, but I don't know of any policy or guideline against the "pp. 172-81" format. The examples at Help:Citation_Style_1#Pages include "pages=236–239" and "pages=461,466–467". It also advises "Separate page ranges with an en dash" but many people don't do that. In any case WP:CITEVAR ought to be a good reason not to "drag anyone over the coals" for a fairly minor formatting issue. I would, however, advise the person who made the change that, as per WP:CITEVAR, edits to change from one valid citation style to another should not be made unless consensus for the change is obtained first, usually in a discussion at the article talk page. DES (talk) 17:34, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
OK, thank you. Keresaspa (talk) 01:45, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Help creating Wikipedia pages.[edit]

Hi, I am a person who frequently makes contributions to Wikipedia. I am not totally sure how to format articles, add images, and how to post articles. Can anyone out there who has made Wikipedia articles help me with this process. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidgoodheart (talkcontribs)

Hello @Davidgoodheart: - I would recommend taking The Wikipedia Adventure to "learn to edit in about an hour". -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 04:26, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
hello, I would like to suggest the creation of a program that would collect all photos from an article in all languages (not showing the same photos twice). This way when writing an article, all photos selected in the other langauges will be available. The same is valid for any curious reader. Usually people will not look into languages they dont know, especially if the list of languages is long. A link to the program in the menu on the left will make it easy to access. This prog is not the same as wikicommons because here the pertinence to the article is established, also photos may not appear in the corresponding english category. Thank you. Davidgoodheart Hexagone59 (talk) 11:40, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

How to cite sources correctly[edit]

Hi. My question is about citations. I made an edit on the page for Library, moving two libraries that were listed as Reference Libraries to Research Libraries, and added a third Research Library. I put the sources in Talk. The edit was accepted but the new version said "Citation needed" at the end of the sentence. I went back in and after each library name I put in the source with <ref ref> around it. One of the other contributors removed those citations and told me I should look at the How to Cite page. I'd already looked at it which is why I used the <ref ref> format. I'm not at all sure what I should have done instead. The How to Cite page was a little too advanced for me, I need explicit direction on what to do since I'm new to this and it's not clear to me what the correct thing would be. Thanks. lakelandcrib 11/23/15 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lakelandcrib (talkcontribs) 05:39, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

@Lakelandcrib: At its simplest, the syntax for a reference footnote is <ref>Your source goes here</ref> - that's <ref> to start, then the description and/or URL of the source, then </ref> to finish. This is described at Help:Referencing for beginners#Manual referencing. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:51, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi. That is what I did. After each name of the library I used <ref ref>. But another contributor took them out. lakelandcrib~~~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lakelandcrib (talkcontribs) 13:23, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

I have added nowiki tags, as your unterminated ref tags broke the display of this and subsequent sections. David Biddulph (talk) 13:27, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
Your attempt was removed because you had formatted the references incorrectly, as explained above. You had <ref Reference content ref>, whereas it should be <ref>Reference content</ref>. Please read WP:Referencing for beginners, as advised above. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:34, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Coastal fort[edit]


I was creating a wiki article of a coastal fort in northern Norway (Spåkenes coastal fort). That page turned out ok, but when I created the norwegian translation of it (åkenes_kystfort?veswitched=1), I realised only once I had already published it, that it was in the english Wiki when it should have been in the norwegian one Can this be changed (just simply change the url) or can the already made page be deleted and I’ll just re-do it in the right norwegian Wiki?

Thank you for your help!

Anna — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mainostoimisto Seven-1 (talkcontribs) 07:13, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Content from one language Wikipedia cannot easily be moved to another. The incorrect page has already been deleted from the English-language Wikipedia; go ahead and recreate it in the Norwegian-language Wikipedia. Do you have a copy of your translated version? If not, post again here and an admin can recover it for you. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:55, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia Author Contact[edit]

Can users with questions or suggestions contact the authors of articles, either directly or indirectly? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:28, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

The particular author of article content has no particular say or individual editorial control over an article and its future improvement - users with suggestions just make the improvements themselves, or make a suggestion on the article talk page.
But if you have specific questions about editing that a specific editor did, you can contact them on their talk page and somepeople have e-mail enabled so you can try that as well. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 11:02, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
(edit conflict)Hello, IP user. The concept of the "author of an article" is not well defined on Wikipedia. Some articles are mostly the work of one person; some have many contributors. If you look at the "History" tab of an article, you can see all the changes. Often there are one or two names which occur a lot in the history, and you may regard them as the "authors" of the article. In that case, you can communicate with them by starting a new topic on their user talk pages (there's a "Talk" link by each name). Alternatively, you may start a new section on the article's talk page (the tab labelled "Talk" or "Discussion" at the top of the page): it is often the case that people who have contributed to a page will have it on their Watch lists, so an addition to the talk page will get flagged to them. --ColinFine (talk) 11:08, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

African American Managers[edit]

You do not list Maury Wills — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:100E:B02E:9F73:B451:EB2E:8898:3DB2 (talk) 15:25, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

That's because you didn't add him to the list. --Jayron32 15:28, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

table bottom border[edit]

Why is the bottom border not visible at 2015–16_Big_Ten_Conference_men's_basketball_season#Player_of_the_week?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:48, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

There was a wrong rowspan. I have removed it.[1] PrimeHunter (talk) 16:29, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:33, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Digital Scriptorium[edit]

I have edited the article entitle "Digital Scriptorium" to remove any self-promotional content. Could someone please take down the notice that flags it as an advertisement? DS is a non-profit organization of libraries.

Thanks, St. Brigit — Preceding unsigned comment added by St. Brigit (talkcontribs) 17:47, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

  • I am not sure this is the right place for such request, but nevertheless, the old adv. tag (December 2013) is quite outdated after the many changes to the article that specifically addressed it, and because there is no discussion in the talk page to contradict that it is not. Tag is now removed. Happy editing! MarkYabloko 10:01, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

New Article suggestion[edit]

I want an article created on The Reverend and Dr. Robert Allen LaVey Reynolds. There is a wealth of information online about this individual but I cannot write it myself. I would like to have this considered as a first assignment for someone on their first article if nothing else. The Reverend and Dr. Robert Allen LaVey Reynolds has demonstrated popular growth as a rising celebrity and this will benefit the continuing Reynoldsianism Movement of which It(as is preferred) is the public figure of.

Rev. Reynolds — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rev. Reynolds (talkcontribs) 17:57, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

You say "There is a wealth of information online about this individual", but you fail to cite any. Please be aware that Wikipedia uses only reliable published independent sources, and I have failed to find anything online which would qualify. I found plenty of sites selling his books, but nothing as useful as a review of one of his books. Unless there is some usable information somewhere, no-one will be able to create an article. Maproom (talk) 19:13, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
User:Maproom - You are referring to the proposed subject of the article in the third person ("his books"). The second person is in order. That is why he can't write the article about "this individual" (himself). Robert McClenon (talk) 19:27, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
He referred to himself in the third person, and it seemed polite to reciprocate. I should thank him for not trying to write about himself. Maproom (talk) 19:31, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
The Reynoldsianism movement will have to do its rising on its own. Wikipedia is not a promotional platform. Once it has risen and people are writing about it, then we want to cover it. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 20:00, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
See also WP:UPANDCOMING for information on "up-and-coming" topics. --Orange Mike | Talk 00:32, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Contributions for an IP6 range[edit]

Is there a way to find all the contributions for IPs within a certain range of IPv6 addresses? Specifically, I would like to find other contributions of an IP-hopping editor that has used:

ChemNerd (talk) 18:54, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Check Help:User contributions#Using item 2 with regards to wildcards. If the addresses will convert to IPv4, will possibly make the work easier. Also you may want to review WP:SOCK for tips on how to follow-up. RegistryKey(RegEdit) 05:16, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply, but unfortunately I don't follow what you are suggesting. I don't know how to convert IPv6 to IPv4. And putting wildcards in the search field for user contributions doesn't seem to work. Using "2001:62a:4:*" just returns "User account "2001:62a:4:*" is not registered." Maybe it is worth having an SPI just to bring my concerns to a wider audience of experienced users. ChemNerd (talk) 13:35, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Picture help[edit]

Can someone help with the picture being discussed here? Thank you sincerely. Talk:Grace Phipps (talk) 22:52, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

I responded on the talk page as well but the copyright for that file is not appropriate for our use. See this for more information on which copyrights from flickr we can use. --Stabila711 (talk) 23:01, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

November 25[edit]

Referencing errors on Library[edit]

Reference help requested. Hello. Can you tell me what other information is needed in this citation. The item in question is the fact that the New York Public Library Main Branch is a research library. The source for that information is the cited URL on the New York Public Library website, which indicates that it is a research library. It's just one web page and there is no more detail to include in the reference. Please advise what I should do in this situation. I have been trying to enter this citation for days and have been doing it incorrectly, at least now I've done it correctly as far as providing the URL, but I don't see what other information I can add to fulfill the needs of the correct format, there is no other information to include. If you wouldn't mind, could you look at that page on the New York Public Library website and tell me if there is something I left out that I should have included in the reference. Thanks. lakelandcribLakelandcrib (talk) 04:01, 25 November 2015 (UTC) Thanks, Lakelandcrib (talk) 04:01, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

The error message after your edit said "Check |url= scheme (help). Missing or empty |title= (help)", and in each case the word "help" was in blue to indicate that it was a wikilink to a page with specific help for the relevant problem. If you follow those links, to Help:CS1 errors#bad url and to Help:CS1 errors#citation missing title, you'll see the explanations. --David Biddulph (talk) 06:43, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Blacklisted due to the fact a page of a few lines sounds like an advert! Are your rules different based on how much money has been contributed?[edit]

'Randmint and R.M.R

Please could you advise as a colleague has tried to list 2 pages and he has been blacklisted or banned even his IP address has been blocked. I have the copy of the text he wrote and everything is true.

If it sounded like an advert why not ask for it to be changed. Not all people including myself are writers. I thought this platform was a joint effort.

I thought this platform represents more than ones level or style of writing. 'Randmint' and their brand 'R.M.R'

are offering a great service to individuals who would like to sell their privately owned gold bullion coins’ jewelry privately without the high cost charged by dealers and they do this at no cost. They have registered both Randmint and R.M.R as trademarks

They have secured domains and are listed on all social media platform but are not allowed on wiki?

It makes me wonder why other companies like GoPro; their page looks like an advert out of a glossy magazine! is allowed to be published. Please let us know if Go Pro has given any donations and how much?

Are your rules different based on how much money has been contributed.

There was no reason to blacklist a user or member due to the fact a machine thought the few lines describing the business was an advert.

Please advise if he makes a contribution will you allow the listing? Or is this only for companies like Apple and Go Pro. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RMRGB (talkcontribs) 06:16, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a social network. We are not for advertising either. We have specific notability guidelines regarding companies and it does not matter one bit whether they have donated money to the Foundation or not. See general guidelines for all articles as well. Notability requires that the company have been talked about in multiple independent reliable sources such as newspapers, magazines, or the media. Anyone can get a domain, anyone can get on social media. That is not what Wikipedia is for and the repeated addition of this material is not acceptable. If you want to continue to try to make an article about the company please read your first article and use the article wizard to create a draft that can be reviewed by another editor to make sure it complies with our guidelines. --Stabila711 (talk) 06:25, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
@RMRGB: I have a feeling that it would be appropriate for you to read through our conflict of interest policy -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 08:21, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Arts: Help needed[edit]

I am translating a German arts/literature article into English. I need assistance with a few concrete questions (differences in editing [How do I configure boxes which point to an outside-of-WP-photography?], legal questions whether book covers can bes shown etc.). I have visited the Wikiproject Arts, but there is not much happening. ! Bikkit ! (talk) 08:34, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

What are your specific questions? -- Paulscrawl (talk) 09:05, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
to display on the page, the image must either be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons (ONLY if it is appropriately free use licensed) or to Wikipedia (if it can meet our WP:FAIRUSE criteria)
see the tutorial Wikipedia:Uploading images. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 09:09, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
If you want other editors to help you convert User:!_Bikkit_!/DalisMustache into an acceptable article, you could move it from your user space to a draft, so that they can edit it without invading your personal space. (If you do, I will start by removing the IPA that shows how to pronounce it in English – there's no need for that in English Wikipedia.) Maproom (talk) 09:45, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
People can't edit it there where it is? I don't mind.
First question is: The book cover can be found on the web. In the de-WP it can not be displayed directly, but I noticed, that in the en-WP book covers (movie posters, ...) are often shown. So: Is there a restriction for the Dali book cover? (Halsman's children are rather tight on copyrights.).
Please leave the IPA - see Moustache. The French version has the English title and "mustache" can in French also be pronounced as the French "moustache" so I want to make it very clear, that the title IS pronounced in A.E.
Where can I find the box by which I can show "external" photos? ! Bikkit ! (talk) 10:30, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
So far as I know English Wikipedia does not link to outside-of-WP-images. Instead non-free images are uploaded to English Wikipedia. (However the use of non-free images must comply with the highly restrictive Wikipedia: Non-free content criteria.) One area where non-free images can generally be used is one book cover in the infobox of the article on the book. See File:Rogue Lawyer by John Grisham cover.jpg as an example of how a book cover was uploaded and Rogue Lawyer as an example of how it is used. —teb728 t c 10:43, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
But note that one of the conditions in WP:NFCC is that the image must be used in only main-space articles (and must be used in at least one). So while the article is in user or draft space, a non-free image may not be used in it, and so may not be uploaded. Once the article is accepted and moved to main space then (assuming the rest of the conditions in WP:NFCC are met) the image may be uploaded to en.wikipedia, and used in the article. --ColinFine (talk) 13:48, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
This is too complicated for me. I will remove the "boxes" and make references with links. When the article is published, others can fit files in, if it should be possible. Thanks for comments! Bikkit ! (talk) 15:26, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error references duplicate key[edit]

I don't understand the cite ref error flagged up on this page Article name George Young (surgeon) The cited reference is intended to be the same in each case. Can you help?Papamac (talk) 09:40, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

I've fixed it for you. Once you have created a named reference, as you did, there's no need to create it again, indeed this will cause an error. The second time, all you need to do is use it, like this: <ref name="Stewart" />. Maproom (talk) 09:51, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Institut Eurécom[edit]

Hello We would like to change the name of our School "Institut Eurécom" in "EURECOM" in different languages + +

How can I do this ?, I did not manage to do this. Best regards

Gwenaelle COMTE Documentaliste - Chargée de Communication Numérique 04 93 00 81 17 Campus SophiaTech 450 Route des Chappes - CS 50193 06410 Biot - Sophia Antipolis — Preceding unsigned comment added by DOCEURECOM (talkcontribs) 09:52, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

@DOCEURECOM:To rename the articles you need to Wikipedia:Move a page separately on each project. And in order to move them you need to be autoconfirmed, which you will be when you have five more edits. Note that since you work for the institute, please read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. —teb728 t c 11:00, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
@DOCEURECOM: I have moved the English article Institut Eurécom to Eurecom per the third rule at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Trademarks#General rules. Wikipedia languages can have different policies and I don't know the policies of the other languages. The current all caps EUROCOM in the article text was added by User:EURECOM communication who must also have a conflict of interest. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:36, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

David Bret Wikipedia[edit]

I am perturbed by the comments posted on my Wikipedia and Talk pages by Monochrome Monitor. I have screenshotted these from the first one and feel that I had no option but to take option. This person writes on Talk (before she changed it: I have screenshots should you need them) that I cannot take action against her because she has clinical depression. She adds a link to a Blog which accuses me of criminal activities, including sex crimes. She confesses that she had only just become aware of my work, yet she advises that it should be boycotted. The responses she receives are no less hysterical than her own postings, and the wording of her original much longer posting suggests someone who has been harassing me for some time. She changes the content daily. As a result of these very lengthy comments I have lost newspaper columns, while she is quite attacking someone for the sake of it. While I accept constructive criticism, linking me to Blogs which accuse me of crime is not the way to go about it. A while ago, someone--I suspect it was her--petitioned Wikipedia to shut my page down, and she is doing so again. You kindly kept my page: I am a major biographer, and entitled to be seen, but not to behounded like this. Why should it matter to her? David Bret (biographer) (talk) 11:22, 25 November 2015 (UTC) David Bret

It was not she who proposed the article for deletion. You can see here that it was a user named "ferret". Maproom (talk) 12:26, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
@David Bret (biographer): for reference, your "entitlements" at Wikipedia are quite limited. IF we determine by our processes that there should be an article about you (having an article is not something anyone is "entitled" to), you are "entitled" that it only contains content that is verifiable as having been previously published in a reliable source and that the content appropriately and proportionately represents what Wikipedia editors determine the views of the content that has been printed about you. Going around claiming "entitlements" that you are not "entitled" to is a great way to piss off editors who are in control of the content. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:51, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Uploading Images[edit]

Hi there,

Every time I try to upload an image for my infobox I get the message "please choose another description" and cannot proceed further.

Please can you advise what might be happening here?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by RedbudMusic (talkcontribs) 17:09, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Where have you been trying to upload it to? Wikimedia Commons? en:Wikipedia? Somewhere else? Maproom (talk) 22:39, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Page deletion[edit]

I was asked to edit my company (MHM Services, Inc.) page, which I did. I got a message that some Bot thing deleted my edits, then the page was deleted by some weirdo. The edits I made were all by request of my company. How do I get the page back up with the edits that I made? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdonelson12 (talkcontribs) 18:44, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

There was a discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MHM Services about whether the article met Wikipedia's standards for inclusion. In order for a company to be included in Wikipedia, it must meet our standards of "notability", which has a slightly different meaning on Wikipedia than in the real world. The general notability standard can be found here, and a specific one for companies can be found here. Both of them boil down to a requirement that the article on the company must demonstrate that multiple reliable sources which are independent of the company have published non-trivial discussions of the company. It was determined in that discussion that such sources didn't appear to exist, so the article was deleted.
That said, if such sources do exist, a new article could be written citing them. However, you should not be the one to write it because you have a conflict of interest. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 19:06, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
(edit conflict)Jdonelson12 Part of the problem was that you were editing at the request of your employer. That means that you were acting as a paid editor, and must make a Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure according to this site's Terms of Service and certain legal requirements. However MHM Services was deleted after discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MHM Services. The prime reason aas the failure to cite sufficient independent published reliable sources to establish its notability according to the guideline on notability of companies. Under those circumstances, that page won't be restored. If you, or better someone else, were to use the article wizard to create a draft, and if that draft were to clearly demonstrate the notability of the subject, then and only then would it be moved back to the main article space. If you want to go ahead with this, read our guideline on conflict of interest and make the required paid editor disclosure first. DES (talk) 19:09, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Jdonelson12, I'm afraid you have a basic misunderstanding about what Wikipedia is (as many people have). It is an encyclopaedia, which summarises what independent published reliable sources have said about subjects. It has almost no interest in what a subject (whether a company, a person, or anything else) wishes to say about itself, and subjects have no control whatever over articles about them, and are strongly discouraged from editing such articles. Please see the links in the answers above, for more information. --ColinFine (talk) 19:18, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

need help with problematic editor[edit]

[2] this editor has had a few unwelcomed/personal attacks prior to this one, I don't want to take him to ANI, what should I do?( I have more diffs on him)--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 21:33, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

@Ozzie10aaaa: could you provide some more diffs? The edit you've linked to shows some slightly uncivil behavior, but nothing overly actionable -- samtar whisper 21:36, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
[3] heres another, there is another one also--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 21:49, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
If those two are the worst examples you can find, I don't think you've much of a case. Maproom (talk) 22:31, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
ok (no ANI) terms of.WP CIVIL, what should I do, leave a message on their talk page?--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 22:35, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Disagreeing with you or asking you not do something is not an attack. --NeilN talk to me 22:38, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
agreed , however as [4] indicated it shows WP CIVIL ?--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 22:42, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Not particularly, no. If an editor finds your comments unhelpful or excessive, they can state that. --NeilN talk to me 22:51, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
ok, --Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 22:54, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref no input.:Verification recent inserts(11/25/2015) can be obtained by contacting RAFAEL,HAIFA,ISRAEL as well as requesting source of iris photos used by John Daugman in his original algorithm[edit]

Please see above in "SUBJECT/headline for SOURCES. Daugman algorithm could NOT  and WAS not written without MULTIPLE IRIS PHOTOS supplied by L.Flom which was never attributed to Flom by Daugman and important to iris history

The gallery of personalities from the article Romanians[edit]

There is an on-going debate about the (re)inclusion of the gallery of personalities in the article Romanians. An editor affirmed that a gallery would not help the reader and would not provide encyclopaedic content. My argument was that almost all articles about ethnic groups have such galleries, so this article should also respect the practice.

Please explain me how Wikipedia:Other_stuff_exists policy applies in this case. Hahun (talk) 00:07, 26 November 2015 (UTC)