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September 24[edit]

Maximum entries displayed in a category[edit]

Hi! In a category with numerous entries, I can see only 200 at a time. There is (next page) option available to see rest entries. But can I increase the number to see, say 500, categories entries or so? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 04:37, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

@Dharmadhyaksha: Not that I'm aware of. It's set by $wgCategoryPagingLimit in LocalSettings.php on the server, and there doesn't seem to be any user override or preference for it. It's not an easy in-browser solution, and more for the technically inclined, but you can retrieve the full contents of a category via the API (some coding required, left as an exercise for the reader). Murph9000 (talk) 04:48, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
I did not understand your reply @Murph9000:. I assume your answer is "no". Thanks for digging out though. Face-smile.svg §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 04:56, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
@Dharmadhyaksha: In browser, it's a server-wide setting, no obvious way for a user to override it. Coders, on the other hand, can extract the full list through code. So, "no", unless you are a coder. Murph9000 (talk) 05:00, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
@Murph9000: No! Am no coder... Thanks again for your help. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 05:07, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
@Dharmadhyaksha: The API is meant for programs. It can be used by humans but usually with significant difficulty. mw:API:Categorymembers can produce unlinked lists with up to 500 pages (5000 for bot accounts). Category:Recipients of the Padma Bhushan has 471 pages so they are all shown by You have to somehow produce url's like that, and it gets more complicated when there are more than 500 and you want the next. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:36, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Merritt Communications Wiki Page[edit]

Hi there,

I just added a new page on Wikipedia and it says that it will be deleted because of promotional content. I'd be glad to update the page but I'm confused on what is promotional? Everything in the article is informational about the company Merritt Communications.

Thank you,


04:39, 24 September 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DrewMerritt (talkcontribs)

Please understand, Drew, that Wikipedia has essentially no interest in anything that a subject (whether a person, a company, a band, or anything else) says about themselves, or what their friends, relatives, employees, employers, agents, or associates say about them. It is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject have published about the subject in reliable sources - that is, sources which have a reputation for editorial control and fact checking. None of the sources in your draft is a reliable source, and in any case, most of the statements in your draft are not sourced anyway.
One of the reasons that editors are strongly discouraged from working on articles where they might have a conflict of interest is that it may be hard for them to see what is promotional. Would you expect to find something like your "customer service" paragraph in an encyclopaedia? Absolutely not. It is inappropriate in both tone and content.
Please have a look at What Wikipedia is not, and Your first article. --ColinFine (talk) 10:59, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Barranco de Badajoz[edit]

Vandalism reiterated a registered user in this article: Barranco de Badajoz. This article already has references.-- (talk) 08:10, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

I see no evidence of vandalism in the history of the article. A registered user, Edward321, has twice removed the longest paragraph, on the grounds that the sources are unreliable. I cannot read Spanish, so I cannot judge if he is right. Maproom (talk) 11:44, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
I too can't read Spanish, so can't properly assess the references. What I can see, however, is that the removed paragraph talks about the paranormal and UFOs. Now, with the exception of secret military or experimental aircraft, I believe it will be extremely difficult to find reliable sources which talk about those subjects. I won't say it's impossible, only probably two of the most difficult topics to include in Wikipedia. If you believe that the sources are reliable (to Wikipedia's WP:RS standard), please explain that on the article's talk page. Murph9000 (talk) 11:57, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Template changes[edit]

Hi, why does it take quite a while until template changes become visible in articles?--Hubon (talk) 13:22, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

@Hubon: It depends on server load and the size of the job queue. Pages are served from a cache for server performance reasons. Template updates do not invalidate the cached copy of pages using the template, just place it on the job queue for processing in turn. You can WP:PURGE individual articles if you really need to (e.g. if they are actually badly broken), but should only do that when necessary, as it is essentially antisocial to do it without good reason and skips the queue (slowing down everyone else's changes). If it is just a routine update such as changing the links in a navbox, you should normally just let the queue deal with it. If you happen to have any normal editing to do on the articles, saving them (either section or full page) automatically purges their cached copy. Murph9000 (talk) 13:47, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
Okay, thanks!--Hubon (talk) 15:14, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Error in warning text[edit]

Not sure where to post this, but if I edit e.g. Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions, I am warned "Your edits will not persist and be overwritten." This sentence is wrong: it should say "will be overwritten": otherwise it is saying "your edits will not ... be overwritten". Equinox 14:19, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

@Equinox: That text comes from Template:Editnotices/Page/Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions. It can only be edited by administrators and template editors, so you'll need to do an edit request on the talk page. I think you are correct, there should be a second "will" in there to remove ambiguity / confusion. Murph9000 (talk) 14:40, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Assignment paper[edit]

I am creating a wiki page so that I can grade a paper with my classmates for an assignment. I have the sample paper; however, the instructions do not allow for copying and pasting. How would I enter the sample paper for all of us to access. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Micheleadkins55 (talkcontribs) 18:10, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Micheleadkins55: you say "a wiki page" – were you specifically instructed to use Wikipedia for this? It does not sound like a suitable use for Wikipedia. There are many other wiki sites on the web, probably some of them are more suitable for a purpose like yours. Maproom (talk) 19:03, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @Micheleadkins55: Please read WP:NOTWEBHOST. From the sound of it, you want to create a page that is not permitted on Wikipedia, and should instead be hosted on your school / college / university computing resources. Your institution may already have their own servers running the Wikipedia software, MediaWiki, or they can easily setup a server running it. If you create a page that falls outside of Wikipedia's content policies and guidelines, it will very likely be speedily deleted. There is one exception to that, courses operated by the Wiki Education Foundation (WikiEdu / WikiEd), in which case you should check with your instructor for guidance. If I am mistaken, and you intend to create an encyclopaedia article about a subject with notability, which does not already exist on Wikipedia, please provide some more details about exactly what you intend to do and what help you need. We are happy to help with encyclopaedia articles, but can't help with general web hosting. Murph9000 (talk) 19:13, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Battle of Karansebes[edit]


I have rewritten this page to reflect the original account given in the Osterreichische Militarische Zeitschrift - in order to bury the myth once and for all. Somebody has been on recently and turned the article back to the original nonsense. Do I simply reedit this and add something in chat - or would the 'undo' process take it back to my version? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DaveHMBA (talkcontribs) 23:53, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

@DaveHMBA: You may be at the very early stages of a content dispute. Please read Wikipedia:Dispute resolution, which covers both the informal early stage and later formal stages (if it can't be simply resolved informally). As a first step, I suggest you start a new thread on the article's talk page, and concisely explain why you believe your version of the article is better. Try to make it obvious to someone who knows more or less nothing about the subject. Briefly explain why the article was inaccurate prior to your work. The current version has content which was not in the version before your edits, so briefly explain why that version is not better. Once that is done, post a one-line note on the IP user's talk page pointing them to the discussion and inviting them to comment. Try to keep all this in a constructive, collaborative tone and spirit, if you can. I.e. the aim is to have a constructive discussion where you can both agree on the path forward. This could potentially take days, but there is no deadline. See also WP:BRD — you boldly changed the article, it has been reverted, now some discussion is needed. Murph9000 (talk) 00:27, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

September 25[edit]

Pippa Middleton[edit]

Please remove the two funny symbols beside the link "Middleton" in the "parents" section on this page. I don't understand it at all. Thanks so much (talk) 00:44, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Click here and attempt to remove it yourself please. They are just extraneous brackets. --Majora (talk) 00:47, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
I removed them. As Majora has already said, they're just extraneous brackets. Fuortu (talk) 00:50, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Please check ref number 11 (it is NOT from a newspaper but from an on-site magazine called "House and Heritage") and Thanks for your help - do not get upset and please help - it's always appreciated here (talk) 01:25, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

And it really doesn't matter at all. The citation is there and is fine. We aren't getting upset but we also want people to at least attempt to do things themselves before running to us to help. We are all volunteers here and it gets a little annoying to have to answer the same questions from the same people again and again. It makes it seem like the person asking for help really doesn't see us as volunteers but instead as "tech support" who will fix any problem they have. That isn't how we do things. You have been editing Wikipedia for over a year. Plenty of time to understand simple editing and to fix your own mistakes. At the very least, long enough to attempt to fix them yourself. We will still help if you really can't understand something, but there has to be at least some attempt to learn. Else it will just result in an endless barrage of the same questions over and over and over again. Fixing extra brackets should not be something you require the help desk to do. It should not be something you need other volunteers to do. If there is a problem be bold. Make at least a rudimentary attempt to fix it. Don't come straight to us. --Majora (talk) 01:39, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Dear --Majora I am sorry that I upset you (I actually DID remove the brackets myself!) - I am too scared to add in the "House and Heritage" title to the ref. I do not know where it goes. Sorry again. I will just leave the citation as it is - it is NEARLY correctly done! (talk) 01:52, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Pippa Middleton[edit]

On my phone - but not my desk top - there is a "cite error" after ref. Number 10. I thought I had done all edits correctly. Please help. Tjanks101.182.142.35 (talk) 03:36, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Britain's most admired companies[edit]

What are the categories included for Britain's most admired companies? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:45, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

I doubt there are any categories for "admired" companies as such: such a category would be subjective and promotional and hence inappropriate for Wikipedia. You can find British companies generally in Category:Companies of the United Kingdom and its subcategories. —teb728 t c 05:32, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
Agree, admired is a subjective term. Joseph2302 07:25, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
This is a help desk for the encyclopedia Wikipedia. If your question is about the list published by Management Today then see PrimeHunter (talk) 10:59, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Barranco de Badajoz 2[edit]

Place references of all kinds. Because the registered user does not convince me any:

In Spanish:

In English:


I hope these references may be useful. Thank you.-- (talk) 08:40, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

I see that you have also made this request in the proper place for it, the talk page of Barranco de Badajoz. Maproom (talk) 08:54, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Infobox error messages[edit]

The Answer (Steven Universe) has two infoboxes. The second one emits the error "Warning: Display title "The Answer (Steven Universe)" overrides earlier display title "The Answer (Steven Universe)"" (permalink). How does one get rid of that?  Sandstein  12:31, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

It conflicted with DISPLAYTITLE function at the beginning of the article. I explicitly disabled italic title in the infobox. Ruslik_Zero 12:44, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
Thanks!  Sandstein  12:45, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Harm/due weight in BLP with limited sourcing?[edit]

Hi, I was hoping someone could advise me or just jump on in at Talk:Julio A. Cabral-Corrada § Campaign finance issue on how to handle a potential harm issue when the BLP has very limited sourcing. AfD closed as no consensus (full disclosure, I was a delete voter), but the search for sources turned up a U.S. Congressional campaign finance issue that had not previously been included in the entry. Now we have four reliable secondary sources on the campaign finance issue, and only six on all the rest of the subject's life, three of which come from the same outlet (and all ten have pretty limited coverage, nothing truly in-depth). Another editor has since added in the campaign finance thing; entry's creator deleted that in its entirety. I'm at a loss! I'm concerned about harm to the subject who I believe has not been in the public eye enough for us to write an entry that would give properly limited weight to the campaign finance thing; but I'm also concerned about leaving it out amounts to cherrypicking for only favorable coverage, which is bad for the encyclopedia and readers. Would love some more experienced advice on this. Thanks. Innisfree987 (talk) 15:39, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

  • Innisfree987, hello. Take it to BLPN. They have people experienced in responding to similar situations. Lourdes 15:46, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
Ah yes that's a great idea. Thank you Lourdes! Innisfree987 (talk) 15:47, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

8 string classical guitar[edit]

I thank Michael "Bink" Knowles for his message informing me that he deleted my attempted contribution to the article on 8 string guitar, considering it seemed promotional given that the subject was my own work. I understand this reflex. Nevertheless, I am among the pioneers of the 8 string classical guitar and have done in depth work to expand its repertoire and vocabulary. And I am probably the only one in the classical field to have installed a noise captor on an 8 string classical instrument for experimental purposes! There are of course others who are not yet mentioned in the article (Rafaela Smits, José Tomàs). I consider that a small mention of my work would be justified and not out of place. Thank you for your attention - Steve Gibbs, guitarist, composer, musicologist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steve Gibbs 8 cordes (talkcontribs) 16:41, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Steve. Before we go any further, are you the Steve Gibb (Stephen Thadius "Steve" Crompton Gibb) that we have an article about? That was the biographical article which your edit linked to. Murph9000 (talk) 16:54, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your message, Murph9000. No, I am not Stephen Thadius "Steve" Crompton Gibb, who is the subject as you say of an existing article. I am Steve Gibbs (8 string classical and experimental guitarist, composer, musicologist). Thanks in advance for your help - Steve ≈≈≈≈ — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:44, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for confirming that, Steve. So, we have a number of issues with your edit, which collectively explain why it was reverted by Binksternet. Firstly, and this isn't a major reason for rejecting it (it would be easy to change/remove the link), it linked to the wrong biographical article. Secondly, it was unsourced, which is very important. Thirdly (and the first two points contribute into this), there was no clear indication of notability, which is extremely important. Lastly, combining the previous factors and the wording of the edit, it had the overall appearance of being promotional. Now, none of this is to say that your intentions were anything other than good. I have no idea if you would meet our notability standard, as I don't have enough information about you, but the way it works is that we require credible independent evidence of notability. Please read the linked guideline on notability — if you believe you probably meet the criteria there, we can work with you to create content about you. Note that we strongly discourage people from writing about themselves, as there is a conflict of interest, but are usually quite happy to take constructive suggestions and feedback from the subjects of articles. Hopefully that explains things to you. So, the rejection isn't necessarily a permanent thing, it's based on what we have seen so far. The Apple iPhone was famously rejected by Wikipedia for failing to meet Wikipedia standards, in the early days before its release as a product; then later added when it did meet our notability standards. Anyone or anything rejected by Wikipedia can certainly be added later if the reasons for rejection are addressed or change. If anything is unclear, or you have any more questions, please do ask. Murph9000 (talk) 19:01, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
Yes, the notability problem is the foundational one, which led me to remove Steve's text as promotional. I looked up Steve Gibbs online and found a few listings, a few mentions in passing, and an interview on a blog, but there was not enough third-party material to satisfy the notability requirement at WP:MUSICBIO or the more general guideline at WP:GNG. Steve needs to have more publications take notice of his work before a biography can be written here. Until then, the guideline at WP:LISTPEOPLE says that we should limit the listed examples to notable people. Binksternet (talk) 20:46, 25 September 2016 (UTC)


I've been editing and in some cases rewriting articles that have been poorly translated from Portuguese into English. In regards to references, in nearly all cases they are written in Portuguese only and there are no English pages/refs available. Is it ok to use non English refs/sources for an English written article? I'd appreciate any help on the subject. Thanks MadMark80 (talk) 18:49, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

@MadMark80: Absolutely. It is recommended to use the |quote= parameter in whichever citation template you are using to quote the passage being referenced (maybe a sentence or two at most). This allows people to verify the translation. See WP:NONENG for more details. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 18:53, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

@Nihonjoe: Thanks very much for that, much appreciated! MadMark80 (talk) 19:01, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Why does it take so long?[edit]

Hi! I sent a contribution of mine on 20th of August; after two very quick reviews I have improved the text a lot and I consider it is up to published. Problem is that it has been pending since that day. How can it be that the first two reviews (more complicated because the text was long) took only five minutes, and that for the final version it takes more than one month? Have I done anything wrong? Any suggestions? The draft I refer to is:

Draft:Super Commuter (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

thanks, marco — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fernpendler (talkcontribs) 19:48, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

JUST GOT THE REVIEW; DISREGARD WHAT I WROTE! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fernpendler (talkcontribs) 19:50, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

@Fernpendler: Just a brief note to help you understand things. We get a huge volume of new article drafts to process, and Wikipedia is almost entirely volunteer effort. Right now, there's over 900 drafts awaiting review. Sometimes you will get a quick response if a reviewer happens to glance in the direction of your draft and can quickly reject it over an obvious issue, but mostly they have to wait their turn in the queue for a more detailed review. It is generally still better (and most of us would probably strongly encourage it) for new or inexperienced contributors to go through the draft and review process, as creating a new article without drafting very often results in speedy deletion. Please feel free to ask any more questions here, although questions specific to the Articles for Creation process might be better to be asked at WP:AFCHD (the dedicated help desk for that process). Murph9000 (talk) 20:48, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Date of birth on biography[edit]


Hello, Elena. Given that you are making a legal claim, we can't properly address this issue here. Please see Wikipedia:Contact us - Subjects for details of how to email a specialist experienced team of people who can properly deal with your request. Thanks. Murph9000 (talk) 21:50, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
Additionally, I do not see any obvious age or date of birth on Elena Fernández. Murph9000 (talk) 21:52, 25 September 2016 (UTC)


Elena, as I have very clearly explained, we can not deal with legal claims here. Please do not ask again, you have been clearly told how to proceed with this above. Additionally, please stop SHOUTING! Murph9000 (talk) 22:05, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
Symbol move vote.svg Are you by any chance referring to a photo or text shown in a box to the right of a Yahoo search? Such Yahoo boxes use a wide variety of sources. There may be a text paragraph ending with "Wikipedia" to indicate that particular text was copied from Wikipedia. An image and other text before or after the Wikipedia excerpt may be from sources completely unrelated to Wikipedia. We have no control over how Yahoo presents our information, but a Yahoo box has a "Feedback" link where anyone can mark a field as wrong. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:23, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Clarification to save other editors from spending time on this: the birth date and age were removed from the article over six weeks ago, on August 11th, and have remained absent ever since. Maproom (talk) 07:29, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

The feature film: BAD HURT credit omissions.[edit]

Hello, my name is Mark Kemble and I am the co-writer and director of the future film, BAD HURT. A wikipedia page was recently created but there are several important omissions on the page.

Please ad these credits: Jamieson Stern: PRODUCER {Jamie is already credited with co-writing but this producer's credit is missing.}

                                         Igor Kropotov:    CINEMAPTOGRAPHER
                                         Calvin Dutton:    Acting credit, he portrayed the character: WILLY CRUM
                                         Iris Gilad:           Acting credit, she portrayed the character: DEE DEE KENDALL

BAD HURT was among the top ten audience favorites at Tribeca Film Festival.[citation needed] It had its theatrical opening in February, Two-Thousand Sixteen in Los Angeles, New York, Chicago and other cities.

<shameless advertisement redacted>— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:304:5EC3:42E9:25AD:E427:F69D:5262 (talk) 23:52, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

September 26[edit]


How does Template:Age work? its my understanding that upon saving a page all templates\expression\etc are parsed and fixed. So shouldn't pages that use this template get out of date eventually? -- (talk) 00:01, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

if subst: is used for the template then it is evaluated and the result saved. Otherwise, it is evaluated each time the page is prepared for display. RJFJR (talk) 00:05, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
See mw:Help:Magic words § Variables. The {{CURRENTDAY}}, etc, variables will be fixed at the point the page was last parsed and cached (which occurs more frequently than on saving). In theory, the cached copy could be set to expire when those variables will next change, but that expiry could only really be a soft expiry to place the page back onto the job queue, as it would be horrendous for performance for all pages to fully expire at every midnight (for example). I'm honestly not certain just how smart MediaWiki is about those variables, but they certainly can be out of date in viewed pages. They are not really ever "fixed" (unless their value is subst into the page source), as the pages are re-parsed and the cache updated for many different reasons. Murph9000 (talk) 00:16, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
(edit conflict) I'm not sure what you mean by "parsed and fixed" but here are more details. If you write {{Age|1996|9|27}} in a page then that text is kept in the wikitext of the page and can be seen when you click edit. When the article is rendered for reading by our software, the template computes the current age and only this number is placed in the html version served to readers. It will automatically update once a year. The code produces "20" which currently says "19" but will say "20" tomorrow (Wikipedia uses UTC). If you use subst: then the result of evaluating (or in some cases partially evaluating) a template is stored in the wikitext. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:19, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Merge of Infobox academic and Infobox scientist[edit]

I have a question about a wikipedia page (link: Kewal Krishan (forensic anthropologist)) I created. There is a message being displayed which says : The template Infobox scientist is being considered for merging

I wanted to know, what does it mean? N.dehal (talk) 04:36, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

@N.dehal: It's not really anything to worry about. There's a discussion open at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2016 September 21 § Template:Infobox academic about merging it with Template:Infobox academic. If a decision is made to merge them, someone will make any changes needed to your article. It's just a standard notice to alert people using the template to the discussion, so that they can contribute to that discussion. Personally, I'm not in favour of showing those notices on infoboxes in articles, only on the template's page. Just using the template doesn't mean you need to or should say anything in that discussion, it's mostly for those with interest in developing and maintaining the templates. Murph9000 (talk) 04:54, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Help with my first article[edit]

Hi, I have just posted my first article. I watched many tutorials but still don't get how to work with the citations. Could someone please help me with the article so that it can be published?

The Article name is: Dov Glickman

My name is: Salome Levine — Preceding unsigned comment added by SalomeLevine (talkcontribs) 13:05, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Many of the errors have been fixed by PrimeHunter. Check the revision history to see what they have done. When it comes to referencing, please see WP:REFB for more information. Please sign your posts by typing four tildes (~~~~). Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 13:31, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
SalomeLevine: when you cite a book, you should cite the book itself, not a mention of it somewhere. You should not cite IMDB, it is not a reliable source, the people it lists can write whatever they like about themselves there. Maproom (talk) 13:47, 26 September 2016 (UTC)


I would like to know that a person is who is popular among business people but while creating an page are deleting the page may i known the lreason — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:04, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Which page? RJFJR (talk) 14:09, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
Hello, IP user. We can't tell definitely unless you tell us which page; but the answer is almost certainly to do with notability, a word which has a special meaning in Wikipedia: it is not about popularity (or fame, or importance, or influence, or many other things you might think of): it is solely to do with how much material has been published about the subject by people who have no connection with the subject (nothing that they or their associates have published has any bearing on this). Please read the link I gave in the previous sentence, and you might find your first article helpful as well. --ColinFine (talk) 17:32, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Symbol move vote.svg Please see Why was my page deleted? The most common reasons are:

To find the specific reason a particular page was deleted:

  1. Go to the Deletion Log
  2. Type the page title in the case-sensitive search field
  3. The date, time and reason for deletion will be displayed

Murph9000 (talk) 18:22, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Narrative psychology[edit]

Since you edited out references to and refuse to return this page to it's original content and structure as was appreciated by people who have studied the exact (degreed professionals) science of Narrative Psychology. I will refer to this definition as -what people do instead of caring. Please replace this mess. Or Give John McKinnon his own Narrative Psychology page as he was the first person to achieve a SCIENCE degree (USA -fully accredited) in Narrative Psychology.. Thank you.

((If John McKinnon's contribution to the creation of this page and the structure of the Narrative Psychology page, including the essence of the argument that Narrative Psychology deserves recognition, then no names of supposed contributors regarding the actual definition of Narrative Psychology, should be cited or attributed to or the coming close to the real and accredited definition. Please return the definition to the original form. If not, then I will request that my words and structure to be removed, in which case, this page will be reduced to a confusing and ill informed bulk of foolish efforts to define Narrative Psychology. My independent degree is that of the SCIENCE of Narrative Psychology, not an embarrassing half baked citations and egotistically sublime statements based on what can only be defined as the mess it has turned into. Again, please return the original definition of Narrative Psychology. As the "stance" of the silly idea that it is a "stance" at all is evidence of my argument. Those of us who have degrees in the science of Narrative Psychology are no longer going to refer people to this page as an example of the integrity of the definition of Narrative Psychology deserves... the original reason this page was created by John McKinnon.


John McKinnon Narrative Psychologist Degree in the SCIENCE of Narrative Psychology from the University of Wisconsin (2001))) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:55, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Note: This seems to be related to Narrative psychology. †Dismas†|(talk) 18:14, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
The IP needs to remember that he is not entitled to "request that (his) words and structure to be removed", as for each edit that he made he agreed to the Terms of Use and "irrevocably agree(d) to release (his) contribution under the CC BY-SA 3.0 License and the GFDL." --David Biddulph (talk) 18:56, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
Hello, IP user (John McKinnon?). You seem to be having a content dispute about the article: Wikipedia has a Dispute resolution procedure, which I urge you to follow. Please be aware that no contributor to Wikipedia has a privileged position with respect to any article; but that on the contrary, people who have a close connection with the subject of an article may have a conflict of interest which makes it hard for them to write about it in a suitably neutral manner, and so they are strongly discouraged from writing or editing such an article directly. Please be aware also that as a rule Wikipedia articles should be based close to 100% on reliable published sources independent of the subject of the article. --ColinFine (talk) 22:45, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

How can I edit the mobile-specific text of an article?[edit]

I have the Wikipedia app on my iPhone. When I launch that app and display Wikipedia's "The Mosquito Coast" article, it says "Novel by Paul Theroux" just below the title of the article. That's wrong; the article is about the film, not the novel. But when I take the article into edit mode to correct the problem (either on my iPhone or on my home PC), I can't find the incorrect code. Where is the incorrect code, and how can this kind of error be corrected? Mksword (talk) 19:16, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

@Mksword: The text appearing there is the short description provided for the article on Wikidata. To change it, click Wikidata item in the tools section, then click the first edit link at the top of the Wikidata page to modify the description. Pppery 19:24, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
There are two separate Wikidata entries, one that is connected to the film and the description is for the novel, and the other that is connected to the novel but doesn't specifically say film or novel. I would recomment, *AGAINST* Mksword trying to fix that, but hopefully someone who knows wikidata well will do that.Naraht (talk) 19:26, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
(edit conflict) :The app takes information from Wikidata:Q1479291, where it was called a novel. I fixed this issue. Ruslik_Zero 19:29, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, everybody! Mksword (talk) 19:38, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Page Creation[edit]


I made 2 pages earlier:

They were deleted for promotion and copyright reasons? I would like help reissuing both pages. I am a research assistant working for the lab and was asked to create the wiki pages using the content from the site (also created by the lab). Can you send me instructions of how I can proceed to get both pages back up?

Kkug900 (talk) 22:41, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Kkug900. I'm afraid you have been given an extremely difficult task. It is not your business or your lab's to write Wikipedia articles on those subjects: you are specifically discouraged from working on them because of your conflict of interest. If we have an article on either of your sites it will be a neutrally written article based almost entirely on reliable published sources completely independent of your lab: Wikipedia has essentially no interest in what anybody or any organisation says about themselves. It is only interested in what people wholly independent of a subject have published about the subject - and if there is little such independent material published about a subject, then the subject is not notable in Wikipedia's special sense of the word, and no article about the subject, however written, will be accepted.
As I say, you are strongly discouraged from writing about your employer's sites, but if you find sufficient independent sources that you think the sites pass the criteria of notability, you are permitted to try. I recommend you read Your first article carefully, and use the article wizard to create a draft, which you can submit for review when you think it is ready. If, as I assume, yours is a paid position, then you must make a declaration according to WP:PAID. Alternatively you could decide not to try creating the articles, and ask if somebody else will do so, at Requested articles: there is, though, quite a backlog there.
Finally, you and your employers need to be aware that if we do eventually have an article about your site, you will have no control over the content. You will be be welcome to make suggestions and requests, but the Wikipedia consensus will decide what is appropriate to go in the article, based primarily on what has been independently published about the sites (whether it is favourable or not). --ColinFine (talk) 22:59, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Maine Superior Court justices[edit]

I wanted to add an entry to a table (of Maine Superior Court justices), but I didn't see how to add a new row. I typed in the information below the table, thinking the row-creation might be an automatic process or that the formatting might be done by the page admin, but apparently that is not the way it works. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LoveinMaine (talkcontribs) 22:50, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done @LoveinMaine: Please do check my work, that the result looks good to you. You were most of the way there, just needed a little bit of markup. See Help:Table for the documentation. Murph9000 (talk) 23:05, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
And I was doing the same thing at the same time as Murph9000. I've expanded the reference citation beyond the bare url which you gave. These were the changes which we made. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:10, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Citing a British Library Catalogue entry[edit]

A few weeks ago I added a link to Elspeth Howe, Baroness Howe of Idlicote, linking to the summary of an sound recording in the British Library Sound and Moving Image Catalogue. The link I added no longer works; I think the webpage was dynamically generated for my search. How can I get a static link?

I got to the page like this:

  • Go to (this redirects to a search page)
  • Search for Elspeth Howe
  • Click on the Details button next to "Elspeth Howe interviewed by Margaret Faull"

This is the page I want. However, if I paste the URL into a different browser I get "Invalid or missing multifunction form CGI type", which indicates that the URL is not reusable. Starting the search at gives a similar problem.

How can I cite this material? Where is the best place to ask this? Verbcatcher (talk) 22:57, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Verbcatcher. This is a good place to ask this. The answer is that a citation should have the information that would allow a reader in principle to obtain the resource: but, except perhaps in the case of a website, a URL is a convenient shortcut, not the core of the citation. I suggest you use Template:Cite AV Media, filling in as many of the fields as you can from the BL cataloguing page, but probably not including the URL= parameter, since that does not appear to work outside the BL website. --ColinFine (talk) 23:08, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. As it was in the External links section it makes no sense to give a reference without a URL, so I have deleted it. Verbcatcher (talk) 23:32, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Lon & Derrek Edit[edit]

I added some information then received this note.

‪Materialscientist‬ left a message on your talk page in "‪Recent edit to Lon & Derrek Van Eaton‬". Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Lon & Derrek Van Eaton, but you didn't provide a reliable source.... View message ‪Materialscientist‬ View changes

I am LKon Van Eaton and the information I added was for the time period beyond the 1980's paragraph the articles ends with. It was information from the www.imagineabetter website.

How do I reference? Where is the added test?

Thank you, Lon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pushalone (talkcontribs) 23:56, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

The information you added is not in the encyclopedic tone. You have to cite reliable source. is not a reliable source. Your text is saved in the history. You should not edit articles related to you. However, you can request edits on talk page but you have to provide reliable sources. Fuortu (talk) 00:16, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
(edit conflict) In the message on your user talk page you were given a link to Help:Referencing for beginners, but if you are saying that the only reference is from your own company's website, this does not satisfy the requirement for published reliable sources independent of the subject of the article. You also ought to read the guidance on conflict of interest. --David Biddulph (talk) 00:22, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

September 27[edit]

Help needed in creating a new external link template[edit]

I just wanted to create some important missing templates like CybrHome (a crunchbase for web apps) template for use in external links so that we can link. Person pages and website pages will be able to make use of this template to link to their respective cybrhome property. But I cannot figure it out how to do this. Can you please create the CybrHome template or tell me how can create one in a simple manner. The cybrhome website will have two types of links - users ( and website ( can you please create this template like crunchbase. Few other external link templates of popular sites are also missing like medium, producthunt etc. Thanks in advance! DataManiac (talk) 12:06, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Hello, DataManiac. Please explain why we should want to link any pages to Cybrhome? It doesn't look to me as if such use would be appropriate under our policies on external links. --ColinFine (talk) 12:48, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

@ColinFine: Hey, Just like play store is a huge collection of android apps, CybrHome is a huge collection of best web apps where people list, edit and review websites. Many app pages on wikipedia make use of the play store external link template, similarly once a CybrHome template is created, editors can use the cybrhome template to create a structured external link from app pages to their respective CybrHome property. There are 40,000+ websites on CybrHome today. Other than CybrHome, and producthunt also dont have their templates. To be noted all these services have their wikipedia pages already but dont have templates for external links. I feel these 3 portals deserve an external link templates to help wikipedia editors and improve external linking in pages. So, I think creation and use is appropriate and is as per policies. Thank you! DataManiac (talk) 19:55, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @DataManiac: Before we get as far as creating the template, I think you need to address WP:ELNO, and whether the links are permitted in the first place. Do you have any community consensus to support adding these links? At the risk of exposing myself as getting old, I have absolutely no idea what a "crunchable for web apps" is (other than abuse of the English language), or why we would want to link to it. It sounds a bit like social networking, which we generally don't link to by established community consensus. Additionally, WP:ELMINOFFICIAL would likely exclude it from most "website pages". If I'm wrong, great, there's just no point in putting effort into link templates unless they can be used. Show me the clear consensus for it, and I'd be very happy to create a template which pulls it in from Wikidata, it would not take me long. Murph9000 (talk) 12:51, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

@Murph9000: Hey, thanks for your response. Ha ha, its not crunchable, I wrote crunchbase for websites. Crunchbase is a website that collects information about companies and startups. Its very popular among entrepreneurs and investors. CybrHome is similar to Crunchbase but it is targeted for webmasters, avid internet users, product and tech enthusiasts and not exclusively for entrepreneurs/investors. CybrHome is a listing and aggregation platform like CrunchBase.

Hey, Just like play store is a huge collection of android apps, CybrHome is a huge collection of best web apps where people list, edit and review websites. Many app pages on wikipedia make use of the play store external link template, similarly once a CybrHome template is created, editors can use the cybrhome template to create a structured external link from app pages to their respective CybrHome property. There are 40,000+ websites on CybrHome today. Other than CybrHome, and producthunt also dont have their templates. To be noted all these services have their wikipedia pages already - CybrHome, Medium (website) and Product Hunt but dont have templates for external links. I feel these 3 portals deserve an external link templates to help wikipedia editors and improve external linking in pages. They are important external links because they provide fresh and crucial information at one place for users. It also allows people to learn more about app/product/site/service and try if they are interested after reading the wikipedia article. So, I think creation and use is appropriate and is as per policies. Also, these websites are not social networking (more like information portals) and can be even used without a registered user account. Hence I am requesting you to consider creating external link templates for these services. Suggestions accepted and discussions encouraged. Thank you! DataManiac (talk) 20:05, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

I see very little information at I have to scroll through nine pages about CybrHome itself to find a couple of factoids about Tumbler. A search [1] doesn't find a single Wikipedia link to except in the article about the site. Alexa [2] says the site is ranked 194,148 in the World by traffic, and 93% of the traffic is from India where the site is located. I see no signs this is a valuable resource we should add to many articles with a template. Are you associated with the site? PrimeHunter (talk) 20:45, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Thanks your your response. Sorry, I didn't get your first point.

1. Like I said Cybrhome is just crunchbase for websites, means it aggregates top websites and basic information about them. Like crunchbase some profiles are complete and some are not full filled, however it has crowdsourcing like Crunchbase. example check zomato on cybrhome and you can see all info of the site mentioned on single page.

2. I dont know why webmasters and wikipedia editors have not linked to Cybrhome yet. May be it will take some more time. Also having an external link template will help.

3. Yes the site is most popular in India and a few other countries, and is headquartered in India. Since most alexa users are in US, it have an average alexa rankings as of now. Also it is not available for iOS which is most popular in US. These are some technical reasons for average US alexa rankings.

No, I am not associated to the site but yes I admit I am a regular user of this product, one of the early adopter (using since early 2015) and I have listed 4 of my own sites there. I have mentioned all points and now hope wikipedia admins and editors will take the right decision.

Also, As I have been telling, its not only Cybrhome. medium, product hunt, periscope, askfm, quora etc. and several notable portals dont have their external links templates. Where as several, outdated useless sites have got their templates on wikipedia. see Category:External_link_templates and Category:Social media external link templates for details. If we want to to ensure fresh and latest standards on wikipedia articles, new prominent and growing internet products must be given importance. Infact, I think the entire external link library is pretty outdated. I am doing my bit in improving it. I am a new contributor and dont have wikipedia superpowers that admins have so cannot contribute much. Thank you! DataManiac (talk) 21:41, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Incorrect and slanderous information on Batesburg-Leesville, South Carolina page[edit]

I visited the Wikipedia page on "Batesburg-Leesville, South Carolina" this morning and was very disturbed to find slanderous comments about the local school district listed in the first line of the article. The article says "Batesburg-Leesville is a town in Lexington and Saluda Counties, South Carolina. The population was 5,362 at the 2010 census And a district with horrible schools because of theft,fights,rude teachers I give it a 0 out of 10." This is certainly an individual's opinion and should not be allowed on a public, informational site.

Below is factual information about Lexington County School District 3

Lexington County School District 3 is nestled in the Midlands of South Carolina and is located in both Lexington and Saluda Counties. The District provides wonderful educational opportunities for its 2200 students and has four schools (listed below) and an Adult Education Center. The district is served by seven members of the Board of Trustees and has an estimated budget of $19,809,600.00 for 2016-17. Under the leadership of its superintendent, Dr. Randall Gary, Lexington 3 has implemented a number of new and innovative programs in its schools over the past two years. Some of the new,innovative programs include: Montessori K4 and K5 classes at Batesburg-Leesville Primary; Project based learning and the launching of a 1:1 Chromebook initiative at Batesburg-Leesville Elementary; implementation of AVID (Advancement Via Individual Determination)Program for 7th and 8th graders; and e21 Early College Program at Batesburg-Leesville High. All middle and high school students now have individual Chromebooks to use. Over 300 adults take both day and evening classes at the Lifelong Learning Center, the Adult Education program of the district. Adult Education courses include: GED, ESL, and Certified Nursing Assistant programs.

There is also an omission in the "Public Education" section of the page. Lexington County School District Three has four schools. They include: Batesburg-Leesville Primary (K4 - grade 2) Batesburg-Leesville Elementary (3-5) Batesburg-Leesville Middle (6-8) Batesburg-Leesville High (9-12)

The District also has an Adult Education Center serving adults, not only from Lexington 3 but surrounding areas as well.

I respectfully request that the remarks of an individual be removed from the site and the additions made to the "Public Education" portion of the page.

The page was last undated on September 20, 2016.

Batesburg-Leesville, South Carolina

I hope that you will remove the slanderous, personal opinion information located in the first sentence of the page and will add the correct information about the schools of Lexington County School District 3.

Thank you in advance for your assistance.

(Redacted) Judy Fox (talk) 12:41, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Judy Fox, it's been removed. It was added by User:Tayshawn360 here. Thanks for your vigience. Not all that extraneous information is required to that level of detail. No need to post all your personal contact details either. Did you not see the big red text above that says do not provide your email address or any other contact details here? But thanks again. Muffled Pocketed 12:48, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
As an additional note, vandalism like this is fairly common on school and town articles. Best thing to do: click "edit" and fix it. TimothyJosephWood 12:52, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
(edit conflict) To expand on what Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi and Timothyjosephwood said, Judy Fox: thank you for pointing out the obvious vandalism, which anybody may remove. You are welcome to suggest improvements to the article, and the proper place to do so is on its talk page, Talk:Batesburg-Leesville, South Carolina. Any suggestions you make a more likely to be noticed if you add {{request edit}} (with the double curly brackets) to your suggestion; and are more likely to be picked up and acted on by a volunteer if you provide published references, preferably references independent of the city and its organisations. But the decision of what is appropriate in the article should be made by an uninvolved editor, not by you. --ColinFine (talk) 12:57, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Article deleted[edit]

Hi, a page about antimalware sotware was deleted, however, i made sure there is no advertisement content only facts about the software what can i improve to get it up? i explored tons of similar articles and tried to follow guidelines, but it still was taken down :( thanks in advance!

— Preceding unsigned comment added by GaidakM (talkcontribs) 13:16, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Symbol move vote.svg Please see Why was my page deleted? The most common reasons are:

To find the specific reason a particular page was deleted:

  1. Go to the Deletion Log
  2. Type the page title in the case-sensitive search field
  3. The date, time and reason for deletion will be displayed

Murph9000 (talk) 13:21, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

@GaidakM: I can't see the deleted content, but if it is approximately the same as User:GaidakM and User:GaidakM/sandbox/Reason Core Security - Anti-Malware, it looks to me like it also fails to credibly establish notability or make a credible claim of significance (CSD A7). Without notability, it does look promotional to me, so CSD G11 applies. I've tagged your user page for deletion, as it also appears promotional. The sandbox copy of it can remain for now, with the visible sandbox draft header on it. Murph9000 (talk) 13:38, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Inserting a photograph into an infobox[edit]

On the wikipedia page William Seifriz, I would like to put this photograph from this page: without violating any copyrights. Can you tell me how? thanksBinaryPhoton (talk) 16:20, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Whether you can use that image depends on its copyright status. This is not clear (to me, anyway) from reading that web site. The closest I have found is on this page, where it says "Insofar as possible, and recognizing the challenges and constraints, the Consortium is committed to open source and open access products." Maproom (talk) 17:03, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
The website in the opening post says Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-Share Alike 3.0 (which of course is unacceptable). The usual latitudes with fair-use apply because it's a biography of a deceased person. – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 17:08, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
Thank you Maproom and Finnusertop. I just emailed the Consortium to see if I can use that picture on the Wikipedia page for William Seifriz. BinaryPhoton (talk) 17:14, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
I just got permission from the Consortium:

Yes, you may absolutely use that image for a wikipedia page. It's CC licensing makes it openly available for use, provided that use is non-commercial. Please provide a citation for the image when you upload it so that people know that it came from.

cheers and ciao

-Kate BinaryPhoton (talk) 17:35, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

This note is not sufficient for two reasons. One is that the procedures described at Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission were not followed. The second is that Wikipedia allows commercial reuse, so permission to use it for non-commercial purposes is not adequate. Jc3s5h (talk) 17:45, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
Is it possible to link directly from the Consortium website and put attribution on the wikipedia papge without putting th eimage on wikimedia commons? BinaryPhoton (talk) 17:58, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
No. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:10, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
(edit conflict) No, BinaryPhoton, I'm afraid it isn't. Images in Wikipedia must have been uploaded either to Commons (if they're genuinely public domain, or licensed with a licence which allows commercial reuse) or to Wikipedia (meeting all the conditions in the WP:Non-free content criteria. It is unfortunate that this means that many articles have not got good photos (or any at all); but Wikipedia's commitment to free reuse trumps that concern. --ColinFine (talk) 18:13, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
Dear David Biddulph and ColinFine. Thanks. I understand now.BinaryPhoton (talk) 18:14, 27 September 2016 (UTC)


Why does following the letters "RFC" with a number automatically create an external link? Example: RFC 1 Deli nk (talk) 17:43, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Interesting. I see that you didn't create a link to an Internet RFC, but it appears that the wiki code creates a link to an Internet RFC. Interesting. Maybe one of the developers can explain what this buried feature is. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:47, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
I have come across a similar feature for PMID (Example: PMID 1234) and ISBN (Example: ISBN 978-3-16-148410-0) which automatically create external and internal links, respectively, for these common document identifiers, but these can be useful for referencing Wikipedia articles. What purpose does the RFC feature serve? Deli nk (talk) 17:54, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
It can be used to easily link to standards such as RFC 1459. – nyuszika7h (talk) 17:57, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
In any article which touches on the Internet in a technical way, the IETF RFCs are the definitive references for the vast majority of it. They are more than just standards, sometimes used to publish research and analysis as well. E.g. when we write about the use of avian carriers, we cite RFC 1149. Murph9000 (talk) 18:04, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
See Help:Magic links, mw:Markup spec/BNF/Magic links, mw:Manual:RFC. RFC, ISBN and PMID are the only magic links. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:59, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Company has changed names[edit]


We recently updated the name of our company and wanted to bring the Wikipedia page into alignment too. We now go by "Gordon Brothers" instead of "Gordon Brothers GROUP." I wasn't able to edit this to update it myself.

Thank you!

Caroline — Preceding unsigned comment added by GordonBrothers (talkcontribs) 23:08, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Fuortu (talk) 23:16, 27 September 2016 (UTC)