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July 23[edit]


Since no books have been published on the Signpost after 2015 according to Book:Wikipedia Signpost shouldn't The book link from Template:Signpost subscription be removed It is a dead link. VarunFEB2003 I am Online 08:47, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

A book might get published in the future. Maybe that's why it's still there. You can ask at the template's talkpage and a template editor might give a detailed explanation. Ayub407talk 11:05, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Glen Affric[edit]

Please help - there should, I know, be an IBSN number for ref. number 3 on this page because it is a book. Also, is ref number 1 OK? It is meant to be a webpage reference? Your help is appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:52, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

The book in ref 3 does have isbn numbers. You can find them in Google books. Ref 1 appears to be ok. Ruslik_Zero 13:19, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
I disagree. Here is the template without the unnecessary quote:
{{cite web|title=Scottish Register of Tartans - Glenaffric Fragment|url=|publisher=The Scottish Government - National Records of Scotland, H.M. General Register House|accessdate=23 July 2016}}
Here, |title= has the name of the website + the page title; |publisher= can be reduced to |publisher=National Records of Scotland; |quote= is not necessary because the cited web page is free to read. Rewriting the template:
{{cite web |title=Glenaffric Fragment |url= |website=[[Scottish Register of Tartans]] |publisher=National Records of Scotland |accessdate=23 July 2016}}
"Glenaffric Fragment". Scottish Register of Tartans. National Records of Scotland. Retrieved 23 July 2016. 
Trappist the monk (talk) 13:44, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Trappist the monk - thanks for your assistance - but I do not know which template to use. It is late at night and we are all going home. Please can you look at both ref number 1 and 3 with the IBSN which we cannot find Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:55, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Please help[edit]

regarding above Glen Affric request - neither I nor my students can find the ISBN number. for ref. number 1 . Please help Please — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:36, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Ref No. 1 does not have or need an ISBN because it is citing a web page. Please see the reply from Trappist above. The cite should be re-written in line with the suggestion he made. He has given you everything you need to write the cite correctly. ISBN has been added for ref 3. Eagleash (talk) 13:59, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Insert live value from external website[edit]

I'm wondering if it is possible to insert The flow value of a river from a frequently updated database located on this address for example :

The most recent flow is the value I would like to get.

I've searched for a couple of hours now but as a newbie here and not familiar with programming, it's not obvious to find correct keywords about what I'm looking for. I've not found anything interesting.

Thanks a lot216.228.220.55 (talk) 16:02, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

IP, firstly welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for your contributions. What you're looking for is not something the MediaWiki software supports natively, but would be better suited to a bot -- samtar talk or stalk 16:27, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
In my view, this would be a very bad idea for Wikipedia: the page might be different every time you looked at it, with no history to explain the changes. The information should be inserted manually (or just possibly by a Bot), with an edit in the history every time it is changed. The text should also state when each particular value was reported. --ColinFine (talk) 17:41, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. Didn't know about bots but it seems very complicated. The flow value doesn't have to have an history. The idea of this is to inform the user how high is the river for recreational purpose. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:58, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

I've found something interesting about mediawiki: The External Data extension allows MediaWiki pages to retrieve, filter, and format structured data from one or more sources. These sources can include external URLs, regular wiki pages, uploaded files, files on the local server, databases or LDAP directories. (talk) 18:01, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

mw:Extension:External Data is not listed at Special:Version so it's not installed here and seems very unlikely to ever be. mw:Category:All extensions shows thousands of extensions. Anyone (with the right programming skills) can make them and create a page for them there. Most of them will never be installed on Wikipedia or other wikis run by the Wikimedia Foundation. Getting a bot to update such a number does not seem worth the effort. Just make a link to the page. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:22, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

adding the data to the page would be very useful as I plan to add about 30 rivers. Giving the overall info in 1 clic is a must. (talk) 18:33, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Please don't do this, IP user. This is an encyclopaedia, not a travel guide. Everything in it should have a history: if a reader is not able to verify some information in a Wikipedia article, then that information is worthless. --ColinFine (talk) 23:20, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
You can make a request at Wikipedia:Bot requests or wikidata:Wikidata:Bot requests. The latter would make it possible to use the data at other Wikipedia languages and Wikimedia wikis but it requires Wikidata knowledge. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:30, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
A much simpler, and perhaps better solution is to put a link to the above site in the 'External links' section of the article. --2606:A000:4C0C:E200:7C4A:2A7C:F1FE:29BE (talk) 02:16, 24 July 2016 (UTC)


When I'm trying to make a Wikia account, it will say my email is not comfirmed. What does this mean!? If someone helped me, it would be greatly appreciated.--MML Ruler (talk) 17:30, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, I meant confirmed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MML Ruler (talkcontribs) 17:31, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

--MML Ruler (talk) 17:31, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

@MML Ruler: This is Wikipedia. We are not associated with Wikia and don't share accounts with them. I don't know how their account system works. In Wikipedia it is only possible to confirm an email address after you have successfully created an account. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:29, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Jackie Guerra[edit]

Hello! I am concerned about the fact that my page (Jackie Guerra) has been removed. Is there something that I can do to correct this? Please advise. Thank you in advance for your prompt response! JGuerra725 (talk) 18:26, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

First, you don't have a Wiki page. There is a very common misconception that a person or company may "have a Wikipedia page". Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and has encyclopedic articles on notable subjects. However, in the case of the article about you, it was a copyright violation. What you may be able to do may be, if you own the copyright, to unconditionally release the copyright under a CC-BY-SA copyleft that is acceptable to Wikipedia. That would address the copyright issue. That won't address other issues about the article. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:33, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
JGuerra725: since July 2009, Wikipedia had an article on you that was acceptable apart from its lack of references. (It should really have been deleted as lacking references, but it seems no-one minded.) Then, on June 13th of this year, an editor called NICK ALVAREZ started work on it. He did nothing to improve the referencing, but replaced the content by text that was blatantly promotional, as well as being a violation of copyright. I am not surprised that the next editor who read "Emmy Award-winner Jackie Guerra brings her charm, humor, and style to every project she takes on" took steps to delete it. Such language is completely unacceptable in an encyclopedia which strives to be neutral. Maproom (talk) 18:48, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Robert McClenon and Maproom for your comments; both very helpful! I will do everything in my power to ensure that any information that is shared by anyone on my behalf or by me on the Wiki page is done in the appropriate way and with the appropriate releases. Again, thanks so much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by JGuerra725 (talkcontribs) 19:24, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

JGuerra725: your role, and that of your associates, with respect to a Wikipedia article about you, should be limited to making suggestions on the article's talk page. Every single piece of information in the article should come from a reliable published source, and most of it (everything except uncontroversial factual information such as places and dates) should come from a reliable published source unconnected with you. Please read WP:V, WP:N, and WP:COI. --ColinFine (talk) 23:26, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Tim Kaine[edit]

Tim Kaine (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) Rockhurst High School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) Please fix Tim Kaine's page. Rockhurst High Scool is NOT a boarding school. We are an all-boys Jesuit college preparatory high school. Thanks, Tara Hall, Assistant Director of Admission. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:52, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

You should ask at Talk:Tim Kaine for the changes to be made, and provide reliable sources to support your claims. Joseph2302 (talk) 23:01, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
As I can see no evidence that Rockhurst is a boarding school, either in our article or on the school's web site, I have changed the wording to "preparatory school". Rojomoke (talk) 23:12, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

July 24[edit]

Seperated tables by decades and proof-reading[edit]

I am sending this again since I did not get any responses, and I don't want this to be archive before I could get an answer:

Hello, I have a question regarding award pages such as the Daytime Emmy Award for Outstanding Lead Actress in a Drama Series, Daytime Emmy Award for Outstanding Younger Actress in a Drama Series, which have one single table for all the multiple decades the award has been presented (1970s, 1980s, 1990s, 2000s, 2010s). The tables were split from one another by decade previously, however when I nominated those pages for a featured list, I was told to merge them into one table, (with no explanation/or reason why). I find that the way those pages are right now is very difficult, especially on mobile devices when it takes a long time to scroll to reach a specific year a reader might be looking for. I want to split them, in all the different decades such as pages like the Daytime Emmy Award for Outstanding Game Show Host, and Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Lead Actress in a Drama Series. However, before I start doing it, I want to make sure that I am not violating any Wikipedia rules by doing so and want to know if this is even a good idea? Should I leave it as is, or make a table for all the different decades! I want to start soon on this, so a fast answer to my question(s) would be truly aprreciated! Thank you!!
I also have re-vamp the Daytime Emmy Award for Outstanding Game Show Host article, and was wondering if I can get some help in proof-reading the page (correct grammar, make stronger sentences, more phosticated words etc). My first language is not English, thus the grammar may be off hhaha! Thhanks again!  — JJakathestrength (talk, contribs) 00:23, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
JJakathestrength. The place to ask this is on the talk page of the article. If you propose it there, and leave a reasonable time (several days) and nobody objects, then be BOLD and do it. --ColinFine (talk) 17:20, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Draft:Osama Chandio[edit]

Reference help requested.

Thanks, Osama chandio (talk) 09:11, 24 July 2016 (UTC)which referance link is broken in my draft

Osama chandio. Please do not try to write an WP:autobiography on Wikipedia. If you are notable - that is, several people who have no connection to you, have written at length about you and been published in reliable places - then somebody will write an article about you. Otherwise you are wasting your own time and ours. --ColinFine (talk) 10:33, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Search suggestions list - typo there in 'entry type', but not in article body[edit]

I was searching for the entry on the Gleise 667 star system. It is a triple star system. The search suggestion list, and Wikipedia iOS App, but not the mobile website entry, both refer to "Gleise 667 Tripple star system". I don't know your terminology for that 'type' that is in the search list and overlaid on the main image in the app. I couldn't find it when I tried to edit. Regards, C. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

The article is Gliese 667. The desktop version has a "Wikidata item" link in the left pane, going to wikidata:Q143821. The description there is used in some mobile searches. I have changed tripple to triple. Thanks. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:08, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Deleting my own article[edit]

Resolved: Article now deleted as requested. Joseph2302 17:26, 24 July 2016 (UTC)


I set up an autobiographical page about three years ago and would now like to delete it. I have written {{db-author}} at the top of the page and just wanted to check that this was the right thing to do, and also wanted to ask how long it will take to delete?

Many thanks,

A — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrewjamison1 (talkcontribs) 14:19, 24 July 2016‎ (UTC)

Assuming that no other editors have made substantial changes to your autobiographical page, adding {{db-author}} to it is the proper way to get it deleted. There is no specific amount of time it will take - it will be deleted when an administrator decides to delete it. If other editors have made non-trivial edits to the article, you can't request deletion. Pppery (talk) 14:24, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Andrew Jamison has now been deleted by Huon. Joseph2302 17:26, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

No response on Talk Page[edit]

I asked a question here on 20 July but have had no reply. Any ideas on how to get a response, or better still, can you answer the question I pose? Johnalexwood (talk) 17:39, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

@Johnalexwood: There isn't much you can do. Sometimes talk pages just aren't very lively. One of the issues you raised was addressed without responding to your post (diff). So, people are paying attention to what you say; they're just not responding explicitly on the talk page. If you'd like an answer about the affidavit as a reliable source, you can try asking at WP:RSN. However, as a primary source, I think it would be tricky to cite an affidavit. It's probably best to stick to secondary sources; if it's important, a journalist or academic has probably already analyzed the affidavit. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 20:47, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
I responded on the talk page. Herostratus (talk) 20:51, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

The Malaysian Insider[edit]

The article on the website The Malaysian Insider's title font is in italics. I believe that website names are not italicised. If I am correct, how do I fix the title's font? Thanks! Twofingered Typist (talk) 19:32, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

When the title of a Wikipedia article is also the title of the published work which it is about, it should be italicised. See, for example, David Copperfield. Maproom (talk) 19:40, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
The title is italicized because the article is using {{infobox newspaper}}. If this is not a newspaper, you can change the infobox to use {{infobox website}} instead. The title will not be italicized any more in that case. MOS:TITLES is a bit vague as to when website titles should be italicized: Website titles may or may not be italicized depending on the type of site and what kind of content it features. Online magazines, newspapers, and news sites with original content should generally be italicized ( or The Huffington Post). Online encyclopedias and dictionaries should also be italicized (Scholarpedia or Merriam-Webster Online). Other types of websites should be decided on a case-by-case basis. So, I guess use your best judgment as to whether to use italics. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 20:31, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
{{Infobox newspaper}} was missing documentation for an existing italic title parameter. I have added the documentation. Use |italic title=no to avoid the automatic italics. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:08, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

July 25[edit]


My God, Ya'll must work for the US federal Govt. I just want to write an article describing the Lubbock Tx Memorial Arboretum and IO have been working on it half the day. I'm beginning to think I'm stupid. I read and comprehend English. — Preceding unsigned comment added by James Tuttle Arborist (talkcontribs) 00:40, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Heh, OK, you're on to us. Is there something specific we can help you with? We would welcome an article on the fine Lubbock Arboretum, but I don't see any edits by you yet -- this message here appears to be your first edit? I have left a message on your talk page that might help you get started.
It can be a little hard getting started. We sympathize. Wikipedia:Your first article might help. It contains a link to the "article wizard" which might help. I sincerely would like to see an article on the arboretum. You can come here (or message me privately if you like) with more specific problems you are encountering. Herostratus (talk) 02:47, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Why would a list of Wikipedia articles have red links on it?[edit]

I just ran across this page: Index of Albania-related articles. So, I gather that this is a list of articles. Why would such a page, then, have red links on it? Many, in fact. A red link indicates no article. Why would they appear on such a list? Is there any valid reason or explanation? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 04:48, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Some of them are articles that existed at one time, but have since been deleted. You can see a notification of this if you click on e.g. Arjan Celami, Emin Celami, Hava Rexha. I assume that others such as Albanian Center for Art Studies are articles someone would like to see written. Rojomoke (talk) 05:33, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
So should or should not those red links remain on that page? Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:31, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
See also WP:REDLINK, if you did not read it already. TigraanClick here to contact me 10:49, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. Yes, I have read that. What section was pertinent? Or are you just suggesting it, generally? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:31, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
Also often editors are planning to do articles and have not gotten to it yet. However, without having read the guidelines, a list of wikipedia articles should not have red links for very ling. Carptrash (talk) 17:37, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

IP address[edit]

Would my IP address be open to public if I make a contribution on Wikipedia after logging in? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Litqforviki (talkcontribs) 05:09, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Hi Litqforviki - one of the good reasons to log in with a username is that your IP is hidden from everyone - except a limited number of specially authorized users who deal with security and related issues which require access to IPs. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:47, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref[edit]

I am trying to add Mirna El Hage biography as a Lebanese designer, but i faced a problem of "tag" issue which i do not know what does mean and what should i have to do to tag. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Henriette El Hage (talkcontribs) 11:28, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Hello @Henriette El Hage: and welcome to Wikipedia. If you are connected to Mirna Elhage in any way, you probably have a so-called "conflict of interest" in this topic. Please read up on Wikipedia's WP:COI guideline. Aside from this point, you should also check some of the basic informations for new editors, that have been linked on your talkpage (regarding notability, reliable sources, etc.). GermanJoe (talk) 12:05, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Custom flag links in a template[edit]

I'm doing some work on the "Template:IPSC Regions", and want a flag beside each country name. Is there a neat way to do this? I've found that with for instance Australia the following method worked fine. From this: Australia To this: Australia

However, this presents a problem when the association has a name in a different format, i.e. China. From this: China To this: Template:Country data Practical Shooting Association Practical Shooting Association

Any ideas? Sauer202 (talk) 12:41, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

  • @Sauer202: First of all, you mixed up the arguments in your request (country name goes before link), but {{flag+link|China|Practical Shooting Association}} fails the same way in my preview.
For some reason, changing the template name to "Flaglink" (instead of "flag+link") works for me:  China
Notice also that you can change the displayed text, according to Template:Flaglink, by the "name" parameter, e.g.   Country of chocolate and cheese. Depending on the context, maybe you would prefer  Practical Shooting Association or  any text, really . TigraanClick here to contact me 13:01, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
Tigraan, thank you very much for the detailed reply. I would like to go with the flag plus a simple country name. However, what do I do when the country name is in the middle of the association name, or perhaps not even there? I.e. "Irish Target Sports" for "Ireland"? Sauer202 (talk) 13:07, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
@Sauer202: I do not know, as it seems the template needs the wikilink to start with the country name. (Disclaimer: I almost discovered the template with your question.) You can always just call Template:flag and make the link separately in standard wiki markup. As David Biddulph mentions below, it may be that the flag is unnecessary altogether. TigraanClick here to contact me 15:40, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
Best to leave out the flags. The template is clear and readable without them. - David Biddulph (talk) 13:22, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Ormoc City[edit]

On November 8, 2013, the city was largely destroyed by Super Typhoon Yolanda (Haiyan)

This statement is far fetched and plain wrong. Ormoc City was not 'destroyed' by any means. The typhoon did hit directly at category 5 because the eye did pass over. The damage was extensive but not destroyed by definition. A large number of structures lost parts of the roofs and windows. I had roof damage and a door blew open as the wind was strong enough to destroy the door bolt. Probably near 100% of the power lines was off the poles along with any other utility that used the power poles in this area and along the path of the storm.

Ormoc is the lazy name. Ormoc City is proper. I think an encyclopedia would be most accurate using the proper name. Look at Government pages.

I moved to Ormoc City September 2013 and I reside in the same apartment today. I have first hand knowledge of these facts. (talk) 14:37, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

I have replaced "destroyed" by "extensively damaged". As for the name of the city – Wikipedia articles use the name that the subject is normally known by, rather than the officially correct name. See, for example, United Kingdom. Maproom (talk) 15:24, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Change company page logo (ITE Group, File:ITE_Group_(logo).png)[edit]


My company (ITE Group) wants to change the logo of their wikipedia page, as I'm not currently verified user can somebody update it for me?

This is the new logo:

Many thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Itegroup-weinberger (talkcontribs) 15:13, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

  • I copied parts of my previous answer to a similar question. I also added a link to the page in the thread title.
Hello Itegroup-weinberger and welcome to Wikipedia (WP). The answer to your question is below, but please do read the whole post.
First of all, ITE Group is not your company's page. It is Wikipedia's page about your company.
If part of your job is related to marketing your company, your edits on WP most likely qualify as paid editing. These must be disclosed, as part of the terms of service. Read the link to "paid editing" to know how the disclosure is made.
Even if it does not qualify as paid editing, you certainly have a conflict of interest in this area of edition. One should usually refrain from editing articles in one's domain of COI, but strictly factual corrections such as uploading a new logo are probably fine.
Moreover, since the logo of your company is most likely copyrighted material, there are licensing issues. There are two options:
  • Either ITE Group, via an authorized person, allows Wikipedia to use the logo under its license (CC BY-SA), which roughly means anyone (not just Wikipedia) will be allowed to use it. Details about the implications of the license and the procedure to follow are outlined here. If you upload the file outright, it will be deleted, because anyone could upload the file and claim to be you - you need to prove who you are.
  • Or you can upload a non-free image, in which case it has to follow the criteria of WP:NFCC. In practice here, it means that you must upload a low-resolution file.
If you need someone to upload the image for you, let us know once you have read the previous.
TigraanClick here to contact me 16:40, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
Itegroup-weinberger I'm not seeing how this logo is any different to File:ITE Group (logo).png? They look the same to me. Joseph2302 19:14, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
I think the new logo has a uniform red-orange color in the bottom right (when the old one was a color gradient). Not a huge difference, for sure. TigraanClick here to contact me 07:45, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Tigraan — Thanks for the information! We would like to choose the second option, and publish a new logo as a non-free image in a low resolution with a tag ITE Group (non-free logo). To confirm that ITE Group holds copyrights for this logo, please refer to this website: Can you please update the logo for us?

Before I make a real mess[edit]

how do I add a wikilink to Article A (let's say 12th century) from a section of Article B (let's say Valencia) so that the section of Article B [[1]] can be used to get red of the red link for Señorio de Valencia in Article A? So, you can either give me a fish or teach me how to fish, but I believe that this will improve the article and maybe I can learn something. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 15:56, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

[[Article name#Section name|pipe (if required)]]... or have I missed the point!? Eagleash (talk) 16:07, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
(edit conflict) It sounds as if you want a link from article A to a section of article B. Try [[Valencia#Middle Ages|Señorio de Valencia]], which renders as Señorio de Valencia. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:11, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
, thanks all, Señorio de Valencia is now a blue link in that article. Carptrash (talk) 16:21, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Download-only sources[edit]

(Cross-posted from WT:Citing sources.) Are download links (PDFs, zip archives, executables, etc.) acceptable in citations? Or else if a source is only available in the form of a file in a zip archive or something, what do we do? I can’t find anything in project space about this, or I don’t know where to look. — (talk) 16:33, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

  • I would infer it is okay from my reading of Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Links_and_ID_numbers (the format target is irrelevant as long as it "helps editors locate the source"). At least a .pdf download should be acceptable (there are plenty of links to in-browser pdf reading). Maybe .zip links are forbidden by technical means for security reasons (though pdfs are hardly better...) but in the rare case they are helpful, I do not see why not.
  • you still need to be reasonably sure that the website is not copyright infringement etc.
  • if you find a (legit) .zip of 1,000 books, I do not think it would be correct to link to it in every article about a relevant book. I think the source needs to be reasonably precise still. But of course, that is my gut feeling, not longstanding consensus. TigraanClick here to contact me 16:54, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
FWIW, sources don't have to be readable on line anyway. Many academic journals don't allow free access, and I often give book pages as refs, which may or may not be readable using Gbooks Jimfbleak - talk to me? 18:15, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
On a related note, we don't accept links to what purport to be scans of newspapers or magazines if they are not on the website of the publication itself, because we have no way of verifying that these have not been altered or completely faked. If content was in a print publication, cite the print publication and don't link to a supposed scan thereof. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:23, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
Can you please indicate the location of the policy that you just said? If I'm referencing an article from the Chicago Tribune from 1864 and there is a scan at the University of Illinois, I shouldn't link it because it could be faked?Naraht (talk) 19:02, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
The rules about reliable sources aply there, Naraht. If the scan is hosted by a somebody regarded as reliable, you can link to it. Orangemike's really talking about scans randomly found on the internet. --ColinFine (talk) 21:39, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
ColinFine: Not doubting that, but Orangemike's statement seems *considerably* broader.Naraht (talk) 00:30, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
Nah, Colin pretty much nailed it. I've seen folks try to use a bunch of purported clippings (some of them not even showing page numbers, etc.) hosted on the subject's website; that's more the kind of thing I'm talking about. --Orange Mike | Talk 02:24, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
Orangemike, ColinFine as long as we've made that clear.Naraht (talk) 03:27, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Debbie wasserman schultz[edit]

Someone has hacked the page for Debbie Wasserman Schultz and changed her last name. Please change it back; it is an affront and insulting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:49, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

It looks like it has already been fixed. Feinoha Talk 17:54, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Already reverted and the page has been move protected by NeilN. Joseph2302 17:56, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

New page[edit]

How can I add a page, for my own books that is? I have been published widely by small and university presses, fiction all--3 short story collections and two novels. I have won the USBook Award for literary fiction, have been reviewed in the NY Times, have written articles for Writer Mag. I may want a Wikipedia page. Can I create it? Do you need links to verify my books? Please advise.

Mary Troy


Joe Baker is dead, University of MO press, 1998 The Alibi Cafe and other stories, BkMk Press, 2003-reviewed NY Times, books in brief, december 2003 Cookie Lily, SMU Press (now out of business) 2004--winner of Devils Kitchen Book Award for best book of prose in 2004 Beauties, BkMk Press, 2010--US Book award for literary fiction Swimming on Hwy N, Moon City Press/U of AR Press, 2016.--due out Nov 1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marydelphine (talkcontribs) 20:36, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Mary, I've left a welcome note on your talk page which may explain some things about Wikipedia to you. In addition to that, I would like to point out our conflict of interest guideline as well as the notability requirements for authors. Dismas|(talk) 21:58, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
Hello, Marydelphine. From your description above it sounds as if you may meet the criteria for notability, in which case Wikipedia could have an article about you. To be clear, this would not be "your page": you would have no control over its contents. Wikipedia has essentially no interest in what anybody (or any company or organisation) says or wants to say about themselves: it is only interested in what people who have no connection with a subject have published about the subject. If there is enough such reliably published independent material about you, then we could have an article about you. You are discouraged from writing it (see WP:Autobiography but not forbidden. If you wish to have a go, please read Your first article carefully, and expect your efforts to be closely scrutinised. Separately from yourself, it is possible that one or more of your books are notable (in Wikipedia's sense) and we could have an article on them - again, not "a page for the books" but "an article about the books", neutrally written and based solely on independent published writing about them. What Wikipedia is not, ever, is a vehicle for promotion of anything, and attempts to use it that way tend to be fiercely resisted. --ColinFine (talk) 10:09, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
You may also want to consider Wikipedia's "Law of unintended consequences":-
"Once an article is created about you .... you have no right to control its content, or to delete it outside the normal channels. Content is irrevocably added with every edit. If there is anything publicly available on a topic that you would not want to have included in an article, it will probably find its way there eventually." - Arjayay (talk) 10:21, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

New page problem[edit]

Hi I recently set up my new page on Wikipedia. I am currently experiencing some issues trying to post something. The page got deleted however I linked the website and wanted to put some basic facts about the company just like Walmart and Canadian Tire Pages.. Is there anyway I can out my information without it being deleted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by PirabaKishan (talkcontribs) 20:52, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Hi PirabaKishan. No there isn't. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, a compendium of mainstream knowledge, and so proper subjects of encyclopedia article entries are topics of mainstream knowledge, as reflected by reliable and independent sources out in the world having previously published significant material about the topic, sufficient to demonstrate that. As such, they cannot contain entries on businesses that the world hasn't taken note of, with significant publication about them in the types of independent and reliable sources I referred to. Having just searched, I can find no indication that such sources exist (quite unlike, for example, the thousands of sources that exist to demonstrate notability and verify the information in an article on Walmart). In any event, Wikipedia is not a proper place for promotion by insiders but for neutrally written articles on topics of knowledge. The page you posted was a blatantly promotional advertisment for the company. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:52, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
However, the above edit is your only edit under this account, and you do not have any messages about having a page deleted. Did you create the page that was deleted under a different account name? If so, read the policy on multiple account names. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:16, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
@Robert McClenon: The edit filter log shows the deleted edits. -- John of Reading (talk) 05:47, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

July 26[edit]

Glen Affric[edit]

Ref number 10 is a PDF and it's citation is done all wrong. I have failed - please fix. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Srbernadette (talkcontribs) 04:52, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Fixed - I placed the URL in the url parameter and the publisher in the publisher parameter. -- John of Reading (talk) 05:53, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Glen Affric[edit]

I have completely ruined refs number 14 and 15. Please leave in quotes. This is what ref number 15 originally looked like: [1]

I also added and mucked up ref number 14 - it is from The Scots Magazine Sorry and Thanks (talk) 07:53, 26 July 2016 (UTC)


  1. ^ Long, Phil; Palmer, Nicola J. (2008). Royal Tourism: Excursions Around Monarchy. Channel View Publications. p. 76. ISBN 9781845410803. 
I've reverted the edits for you. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:04, 26 July 2016 (UTC)