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June 20[edit]

Liked article[edit]

When I look up something on the internet and I look it up on the Wikipedia page and I save it on my phone’s home screen and I call it a new name, and then later I tap on it to read the article, it will say something else. It says article of the day. Why does it not stay as the item that I have called it?

That is because the article of the day changes every day. You should tap on the link that brings you to the full article and bookmark it there. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:19, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
If you want to read one that you've missed, notice that there is a link labelled "Archive" at the bottom of the "From today's featured article" section which will take you to a list of past (and some upcoming) entries. For this month, the archive can be found at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/June 2021. — Bilorv (talk) 10:56, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Copying user page in wikimedia[edit]

I can't find Wikimedia's help desk, so I ask a question about user page in wikimedia. How to copy user page in wikimedia? (I'm not good at English, sorry.) --A.672k(t) 09:19, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Are you looking for mw:Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage? --David Biddulph (talk) 09:55, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
Yes, and it works. Thanks for your help. --A.672k(t) 15:09, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Jan henrik Dabrowski[edit]

Is there any way to find out if General Jan Henrik Dabrowski who served in the Italian Legion in Haiti in 1803 left any children there? Would the Darbouze family have any relationship with him? Curious.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:701:8201:8620:1D97:F790:4B1D:E6ED (talk) 12:59, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello IP,
You can ask that question at WP:REFERENCE DESK. That platform deals with such stuff only. Lightbluerain (Talk | contribs) 16:25, 20 June 2021 (UTC)


How do I attach pictures to a page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Waliyullah Tunde (talkcontribs)

@Waliyullah Tunde: You're going to want to see H:IMAGE, but make sure that they comply with the image use policy first. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~.)Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:41, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

What is the difference between the date and the access date?[edit]

What is the difference between the date and the access date is the access date the one where you added it that day of?

I'm asking because i added the new switchfoot record and it the date was wrong and i don't know what i did wrong?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:92c0:3b20:cc07:c8c1:e379:5c60 (talkcontribs) 20 June 2021 14:32 (UTC)

|date= is the date when the source was published, so for example the date a newspaper released. |access-date= is the date when you accessed the source. There are a number of date formats supported, you can find all supported variants here. Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:55, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

How do you fix it where it doesn't say the access date was ignored?

Fixed it for you at List of 2021 albums, you used "access date" when it should be "access-date". MilborneOne (talk) 15:05, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Milborne! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:92C0:3B20:CC07:C8C1:E379:5C60 (talk) 15:31, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

How can I upload this patent on Commons?[edit]

Hello! I've posted the same question on the Teahouse, receiving no reply, so I'm going to try here as well (should have done so from the beginning, probably).

I am planning to write an article on a Cold War tank destroyer project called TAA. The vehicle was never produced and only existed in drawings. Thus, the only way to graphically represent it in an article would be using its drawings.

There are no official blueprints of it on the internet; instead, its patent, that is based on them, does exist. It can be found here (some better quality versions also exist on other websites). Is there a way to upload the patent on Wikimedia Commons? What license should be used? Many thanks, and please ping if you reply. Kind regards, Lupishor (talk) 15:18, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Lupishor. I am not sure of the answer, but nobody else has answered, so I'll do my best. First, I can't find a definitive statement of whether or not patents are regarded as published, for the purposes of Wikipedia; but the existence of Template:cite patent suggests that they are, and you can cite them (though of course a patent will always be a primary source, and an article needs secondary sources to establish notability and for the bulk of its content). But I think you are wanting to put a diagram from the patent for illustration : the question then is, what is the copyright status of (a diagram in) a Romanian patent? If you can demonstrate that it's public domain, (or a compatible licence, but that seems unlikly) then you can use it; alternatively, you might try to argue that your use can meet all the requirements in the WP:NFCC, and upload it as non-free material. (Note that in that case you may not upload it until the article you are going to use it in has been accepted as an article). If it is not public domain, then you should not link to the imgur copy, as that will be a copyright violation. I suggest you ask at Copyright questions. --ColinFine (talk) 16:34, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
I answered at the Teahouse. Please don't ask in two places, Lupishor, as it wastes people's time. As I already said, your main issue will be notability of this vehicle, not the copyright status of the patent. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:05, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
Thank you, Colin and Mike! And I apologize. Lupishor (talk) 17:49, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Redirecting Module[edit]

Hello 👋 i have a question 🙋 it is about Redirecting Modules, i want to know how can i Redirect A specific Module to another Related Module. is there anyway to do that? thanks —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 16:15, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Modules cannot be redirected. The lazy way is to require ('Module:...'). The better way is to {{#invoke:...}} where necessary.
Trappist the monk (talk) 17:18, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

How to report oppressive admins[edit]

Hi, in Italy we have one or two admins who are fans of Chico Forti so they delete any edits that doesn't suit them. Even if the edit has sources and it's true and correct, this admin uses pretextes and excuses to delete all edits. How can we edit the Chico Forti page with sources and truth, despite this biased admin? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iusde (talkcontribs) 18:39, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Iusde, I assume you mean that this is happening at Italian WP. You have to deal with it there with the processes that are available there. I have no idea what they are, but perhaps Aiuto:Sportello informazioni is a place to start. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:49, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

How do I capitalize every word in an article's title?[edit]

I posted a Wikipedia page on comics historian Glenn Bray. Because Wiki is set up to only capitalize the first word in any title, the danged thing reads Glenn bray.

I had no idea it would revert my text (Glenn Bray) to this protocol. I'd like to edit the title so both of the names are capitalized, but I see no way to do this. Nothing on the internet offers any clues.

I hope someone sees this in my lifetime and can offer help (in layman's terms, please. I am not a coder.)

Many thanks, Frank M. Young

@Frankmyoung: The title has been fixed. --- Possibly 21:41, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
There is no automatic lowercase. You must have entered it lowercase. See Help:How to move a page for another time. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:12, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

One mistake in my movie Wikipedia details[edit]

Symbol redirect vote2.svg Courtesy link: Un Kadhal Irundhal

Hi I am hashim marikar director and producer of the movie tittle .”Un Kadhal Irunthal “my movie not yet released but Wikipedia shows it’s release March 6 2020 so please remove that immediately — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4073:207:8e15:41c8:aa99:d0d9:6ab5 (talkcontribs) 22:24, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

It looks like you, or someone else claiming to be the director, corrected the article earlier today. Corrections should be supported by reliable sources, but I can't see where the original date came from. TSventon (talk) 22:43, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
Since you have a conflict of interest, please do not edit the article directly. Instead, you may ask other editors to help you by posting on the related talk page - Talk:Un Kadhal Irundhal - using the {{request edit}} template. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 04:03, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

June 21[edit]

unSALT, 7 years later?[edit]

Can someone with appropriate access see if SALT is still needed for Andy Kurtzig. (The admin from back then has retired from Wiki). Pi314m (talk) 03:32, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

@Pi314m: If you want to create a new article, try to take it to AfC. I didn’t see enough coverage for him but you can always try. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 04:11, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
I think there might be more than enough coverage now for an article. For example: Mercury News, Wall Street Journal, Huffpost. --- Possibly 04:37, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

@Possibly: Thanks for your suggestions. Does your "might be" plus the passing of seven years indicate that it's time to unSALT the 'Andy Kurtzig' title? Pi314m (talk) 10:56, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Pi314m. Rather than prescriptivelypreemptively unsalting, I suggest that if you think there is now enough material for an article, you create a draft and submit it for review. If it is accepted, then the reviewer will override the salt. --ColinFine (talk)
I strongly support ColinFine's suggestion.--S Philbrick(Talk) 14:14, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Guidelines on adding hyperlinks to commercial tools[edit]

Hello Wikipedia community,

I have a quick question regarding guidelines on adding hyperlinks to free commercial, not open-source, tools. There's a company called what3words ( that has made it really easy and human-friendly to find, navigate to, and share precise locations by turning coordinates into unique 3-word addresses. It's also completely free.

I noticed that several wiki pages on monuments and other points of interest have coordinates (e.g. and street addresses. Coordinates aren't very human-friendly, so a 3-word equivalent (e.g. take.raves.during) that leads to the what3words page ( I think would be far better - and since what3words isn't a navigation tool, folks are free to use anything (e.g. google maps, apple maps, bing maps) to actually get there.

Before I add 3-word addresses to all these different points of interest, wanted to make sure I wasn't breaking any guidelines!

Thanks!— Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎Maroon46 (talkcontribs)

I'd be against anything like this, co-ordinates are encylopedic as something that have been used for generations, and have scientific(geographical basings), rather than a website that allocates info pretty arbritrarily. At the very least, no we shouldn't be linking to a website in this way. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 11:29, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
Maroon46 The Village Pump might be better suited to a discussion like this- that said, I don't know what the actual guidelines are, but I would expect that doing such a thing would require demonstrating that this system is in widespread use and not just a commercial tool that exists. 331dot (talk) 11:30, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
@Maroon46: What3words is a commercial company using a secret proprietary system to assign and decode the words, meaning you have to use them to find out where a 3-word address is. They don't allow others to make it possible, and threaten them with lawsuits if they try. I see no chance of Wikipedia supporting this. We already have a system where you can click coordinates and access many services including your examples Google Maps, Apple Maps, Bing Maps. Template:Coord is used in 1.2 million articles. Thanks for not adding links. It would quickly get you blocked for spamming. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:23, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Per the above, we generally avoid linking to commercial services entirely unless they are the subject of the article, or absolutely unavoidably ubiquitous. Besides that, replacing coordinates with arbitrary words just seems kindof dumb. Users can already click on the coords. Or they can paste them into pretty much anything, because it's a universal standard. On it's face, this doesn't seem more or less useful than translating coords into emojis. Not like we're using Mayan glyphs. Most people fairly well understand how Arabic numerals work. GMGtalk 12:34, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Ah, thank you all! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maroon46 (talkcontribs) 12:36, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

I'm a strong supporter of What3words, because 1) words are much more memorable than coordinates, and 2) they have mapped the entire world, to iirc 3m square cells. Nevertheless, I agree that Wikipedia should not be linking to them for locations. --ColinFine (talk) 12:56, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Inaccurate story[edit]

Hi There are inaccuracies in this story on Wikipedia -,26th%20edition%20of%20European%20club%20rugby's%20second-tier%20competition.

There will be five Gallagher Premiership clubs from England competing in the European Challenge Cup next season including Worcester Warriors.

Our omission from the story is inaccurate and is causing us issues with Season Ticket Holders and sponsors as it implies that we shall have three fewer home matches next season.

The tournament organisers have confirmed that the Challenge Cup will operate with one additional Premiership club next season.

Thanks Paul Bolton Communications Manager Worcester Warriors 07966 102 495

Please direct your concerns to Talk:2021–22 European Rugby Challenge Cup as an edit request. Be sure to provide a reliable source. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:00, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Possible conflict-of-interest editing[edit]

Hey all,

So I came across this article, which appears to have been edited by the subject.

I'm not experienced enough to know how to deal with this, so I just wanted to let someone know about this.

Thanks, Beesechurg 18:18, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

You should discuss it at the conflict of interest noticeboard (WP:COIN.) TFD (talk) 18:31, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
@Beesechurg: Thanks for letting us know. You're right there seems to be some Conflict of Interest in that article. Since, the article was originally published a long time ago in 2014 and the most recent editor's edits don't seem to be of promotional intent, I have left a warning cum welcome message on their talk page that shall help them understand Wikipedia's rules. Thanks again. Cheers! CX Zoom (talk) 18:36, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Need help from editors who've worked with TemplateData tool[edit]

Hello, I just created a new template {{Linear-gradient text}}. I created a complete list of all parameters using the TemplateData tool, but I have no idea what to put under the "Type" column of certain parameters, i.e., I'm not sure if the parameter is of "string", "line", "content", etc. type. Someone, please visit here: Template:Linear-gradient_text#TemplateData and fix the parameter-type data. I have already put an exhaustive list of examples (Template:Linear-gradient_text#Examples) that make it very clear on the part of the user, but I wanted to make sure that the TemplateData tool is just as exhaustive. Thanks. Cheers! CX Zoom (talk) 18:49, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

@CX Zoom: here, I'll check it out and add the appropriate data. Elli (talk | contribs) 21:55, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
Hey Elli, thank you again. Face-smile.svg CX Zoom (talk) 15:29, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Easier way to see a page's move history?[edit]

I've been using the move log tool, but it's cumbersome because you have to enter the former name of the page rather than the current name (so you have to dig through the page's history to find its original name), and it only shows one entry at a time. Is there anywhere I can see an article's entire move history in one place? Rublov (talk) 22:05, 21 June 2021 (UTC)


Hello My name is Oksana Grishuk. I read my wikipedia information and found quit a bit inaccurate. Please except proper changes to my true story and not using some lies and gossips. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎2600:8802:310c:3700:414b:c7b6:9ed:8521 (talk)

Please visit Talk:Oksana Grishuk and make an edit request(click for instructions), detailing the nature of the errors. Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources say, but if those sources are in error, we need to know about it. If you have independent sources of your own to support changes(instead of just removal), please offer them(we can't, unfortunately just take your word). 331dot (talk) 22:57, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Editing on Mobile[edit]

Hi! I asked this question before, but I think I worded it confusingly, I think. Whenever I edit on mobile, I have difficulty because my iPhone won't let me do '' but only " Do any mobile iPhone editors know how to get around this? Cinemacriterion (talk) 23:38, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

@Cinemacriterion: I slightly modified your post to try and make it clearer what you are asking, but did not totally succeed. The question is about two ' instead of one ", right? And are you using the web page interface or the iOS app? RudolfRed (talk) 00:02, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
@RudolfRed: You did it right! And the web page interface. Cinemacriterion (talk) 00:03, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
here are several using my iPhone ''''' but I had to keep back because after one it would switch to the querty layout again and give me an m

RudolfRed (talk) 00:16, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@Cinemacriterion: I tried switching to desktop mode and got same behavior, very odd and annoying. No other special character does that. RudolfRed (talk) 00:19, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
@RudolfRed: How did you do that on iPhone? Cinemacriterion (talk) 16:39, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

June 22[edit]

NLT template question[edit]

I am looking at {{Uw-legal}}. One of the usages shown is: "{{subst:Uw-legal|Article|Additional text}} adds text onto the end of the message instead of "Thank you" " However, it is not quite working that way. I was going to place this: {{subst:Uw-legal|WP:Help Desk|If you have suggestions to improve an article, discuss it on that article's talk page}} ~~~~ but when I hit preview, it the expanded text still uses "Thank you". Am I doing something wrong, or is the template documentation not quite right? RudolfRed (talk) 00:58, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: If I'm reading the code correctly, the documentation is incorrect. Using the second parameter adds something immediately after Thank you. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:58, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
Digging further into the parent template—{{Single notice}}—you may have to add |nothankyou=yes to suppress the Thank you. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:01, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
@Tenryuu: Thanks for looking at it. RudolfRed (talk) 02:33, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Gradient coloring based on numerical values in table[edit]

There's a feature in Excel and Google Sheets in which you can automatically color the cells of a table so that the numerical values span a color gradient, like smooth transition between red-yellow-green, or dark-to-light. The minimum value in the table is colored at one end of the gradient and the maximum value is colored at the other end, with appropriate shadings and hues in between.

Is that available here? I'd have thought after so many years, such a table would be possible, but I cannot find if there's a way to do it. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:37, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

I believe thats a no. Table coloring is heavely based on JavaScript on those pages, something we cannot use for articles here. I believe climate templates can color cells dependent on the temperature, but I believe they use hardcoded values. Victor Schmidt (talk) 04:51, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
Hmm, yes, there's {{Weather box}}. It might be adaptable to a general purpose table gradient template. Thanks. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:31, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Blocked on creating a page[edit]

I don't understand what do you want to tell us. How to unblock please tell sir.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Rohit Munda (talkcontribs) 22 June 2021 05:23 (UTC)

@Rohit Munda:Please clarify your question. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~.) TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 06:41, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Creating sub-headings in Sociology: People sidebar template[edit]

Hi, I have tried finding this out, but can't seem to see the info. I want to add sub-headings into the sociology's sidebar in the "people" section. Adding sub-headings such as European, North American, etc. to better represent the spread of key sociologists around the world. Is this possible? Jamzze (talk) 06:25, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@Jamzze: I think you’re better off discussing this at Template talk:Sociology. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 06:47, 22 June 2021 (UTC)


Dear sir, My page or article is showing draft. What is meaning of draft published or not or under review.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by S Mukul Dixit (talkcontribs) 12:26, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Your draft is not under review. If it were reviewed it would either be declined or outright rejected, as there are no references to published reliable sources to demonstrate notability. see the advice at WP:Your first article. It appears that you may be attempting an autobiography, so you ought to read the advice against that. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:33, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

The origin of language[edit]

My understanding of language is way different from all etymology experts. I claim god inserted language in humans, by inserting Hebrew letter meanings in all myths and languages. Mahabharata mean what created tho Kar-m-a means happened from god. Both Brahma and Abraham were married to Sarah My system is to decode each word by breaking it down to letter meaning in Hebrew I have 3000 words in English that have clear Hebrew meaning I am claiming that all linguists are wrong. I am positive. I hope you believe me after reading my website Po-si-tive means here-this-good Be-lieve= in heart Mc2 = cmc = SHEMESH -meaning sun in Hebrew Three of the smallest bones are in the ear, they were called small bones - ossicles. Ossi-call means voice maker. Artery and Vein mean - ar -Tery= Fresh air. Vein means in it none. It also explains vain as an empty person Finally to-rah is the name of the Egyptians gods of moon and sun. Jews go by moon cycle and shabat means sat tho Maybe this sounds just accidental I have 3000 examples that finally explain how language was inserted into humans. Everything I say is backed by science Can I place it somewhere ? After u review it? The website is: Joe Lanyadoo — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:22, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, no. Wikipedia is not a venue for original research: see WP:OR. Each article here must meet our standards for notability: see WP:N, which means that the topic must have been covered in multiple, independent, published reliable sources. -Arch dude (talk) 14:12, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Article idea[edit]

I was just looking at this video: Product Shaming! This Needs To Stop.. and wondering whether I should try to find some good sources and create an article about the topic. My question is, does that article already exist? I didn't find anything with a few searches, but I might have missed something. --Guy Macon (talk) 15:42, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Guy Macon Planned obsolescence#Perceived obsolescence is a related topic.I think the main problem will be finding reliable sources that use the phrase. TSventon (talk) 16:08, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
Also related: Cancel culture. Except for a few YouTube videos and blogs, "Product shaming" doesn't seem to be a 'thing' (yet); see also: WP:Too soon. 2603:6081:1C00:1187:D850:7CD2:B521:2587 (talk) 16:55, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
Thanks! I wasn't thinking of using the exact phrase used in the video. I would look at whateber sources I can find, give up if there aren't enough, and use the most commonly used term from those sources if it looks viable.
Right now it looks to me like Planned obsolescence#Perceived obsolescence has it covered, and there isn't enough material for a standalone article. Thanks for pointing me to that. --Guy Macon (talk) 19:55, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Why I'm not autoconfirmed?[edit]

Hi, I think I meet the criteria of 10 edits and 4 days membership. Why I'm not autoconfirmed? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iusde (talkcontribs)

Your account was created on June 19. As it is only June 22 now, you are still one day short. What's the rush? Pyrope 18:55, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
Technically, the 22nd would be the fourth day. It's possible that the account isn't 96 hours old yet. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:21, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
The requirement is four days old, not that the account has existed for part of four separate calendar days. A day, by common convention, being 24 hours, yes, that translates to 96 hours. So, no, the 22nd is still only three complete days. Pyrope 19:27, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
Age is sometimes interpreted as starting at day one, so I can see where the OP might have misunderstood. It's probably better for WP:AUTOCONFIRMED to specify four whole days. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:53, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
I'm not aware of many examples of that in common English usage, and that being the case the policy already states what you are wanting it to state. The key word is, as I emphasized above, old. For example, if you talk about a child being one year old, you mean that they have reached or passed their first birthday. On the day of an object's creation it is not one day old, it is brand new. It is only on the subsequent day that the object would be considered a day old. Think of a loaf of bread. Day old bread, commonly specified in recipes and such, definitely indicates bread that has been sitting around since yesterday, not bread fresh from the oven. Anyway, this is all a silly semantic point! Pyrope 19:23, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Copyright permission to use image from Wikipedia[edit]

Dear Wikipedia Help Desk Volunteer, I am the author of three books on rocket propellants and I am about to publish my fourth book on rocket propellants. I have donated to Wikipedia on several occasions. I want to use an image from Skin shortly after exposure to 35% H2O2 in my next book and for teaching classes at the university. Where can I obtain permission to do that? EWS (talk) 18:56, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

If you click on the image in question, you will access the file description page that includes licensing information. 2603:6081:1C00:1187:D850:7CD2:B521:2587 (talk) 19:17, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
...Presumably you are referring to File:Hydrogen peroxide 35 percent on skin.jpg which specifies: I, the copyright holder of this work, release this work into the public domain. (etc.) 2603:6081:1C00:1187:D850:7CD2:B521:2587 (talk) 19:24, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
Since this particular image was released into the public domain, you have no legal obligation to provide an attribution for it, and you need no permission from anybody. However, you are working in a academic context, so in my opinion you should provide an attribution anyway, as a matter of academic integrity, to avoid any possibility of plagiarism, and to provide an example for your students. The level of attribution is up to you. A minimum would be the URL of the image. -Arch dude (talk) 05:33, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

A question about re-directs, which attempt to accommodate a common misspelling[edit]

This is a question about re-directs, which attempt to accommodate a common misspelling. Specifically, the Fort Meyers Eight was spelled incorrectly. It should be the Fort Myers Eight. (There is only one "e" in the word "Myers" ... not two.)

The original page -- (Fort Meyers Eight) -- is itself a redirect to: Daniel Conahan#Discovery of additional skeletons.

However, the original page -- (Fort Meyers Eight) -- was spelled incorrectly.

So, I corrected the spelling and created a "new" page ... (Fort Myers Eight).

Because I was correcting a misspelling, I figured that Fort Meyers Eight should redirect to Fort Myers Eight ... since that was the search term that the reader was looking for, but was misspelling.

Someone reverted my change and said "no double redirects" (or some such).

What is the proper way to handle it?

My thinking was that if a person misspells a search term, they should be redirected to the correct spelling of that misspelled search term (even if that, itself, is a redirect).

But who knows? Please advise.

Also ... this same exact conversation / issue above applies to the articles for Fort Meyers 8 and Fort Myers 8.

Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 18:58, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Double redirects don't work, so they must all redirect to the Conahan page. See Wikipedia:Double redirects.--Shantavira|feed me 19:33, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
(ec) wp:double redirects is our document about this situation. While it doesn't have much of the reasoning, it does mention that the software fails at dealing with double redirects. Rmhermen (talk) 19:37, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
@Shantavira: ... @Rmhermen: ... Thanks. OK, that's fine. And, I guess, it's not really an "issue". Just one thing I don't understand. You both state that "double redirects don't work" and "the software fails when dealing with double redirects". But, the thing is ... the double redirect worked just fine. I "tried it" several times. So, I am just curious. What do you mean when you say that it "won't work"? It did work ... no? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 20:54, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
@Joseph A. Spadaro: I just tested using Firefox and undid the redirect to test, and the double redirect didn't work. The first redirect took me to the second redirect page, rather than the final destination. Maybe a browser specific issue? TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 07:20, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
I was just reflecting what the WP:2R page says: "Wikipedia's MediaWiki software is currently configured to not follow the second redirect. The MediaWiki feature which will allow it is not mature yet. If someone is redirected to a redirect, the chain stops after the first redirect". That is aso demonstrated by an example that follows, which seems to confirm this. However, there is a hint there that it will be allowed in future, so...--Shantavira|feed me 07:16, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Assistance with the Creation of a Wikipedia Page[edit]

Hello, my name is Tia Latrell and I am an IMDb Verified Actress writing to inquire about the completion of a Wikipedia Page? I wanted to find out if any of your editors provide assistance in the completion of a Wikipedia page, and what is the criteria for a Wikipedia page? If your editors do assist, would I need to provide my IMDb page link? What all would be required to do from my end?

I have also created a new Wikipedia Account today, 6/22/21 not realizing that I had previously created a Wikipedia account two years ago. Could someone also assist me with deleting the page that I created today? Thank you so kindly in advance.

Hello TLatrell and Welcome to Wikipedia.
WP-editors are volunteers, WP is pretty much a hobby (for editors). There is a page for requests, WP:Requested articles, but it's backlogged and again, people work on what they feel like. You can attempt to do it yourself, but there are hurdles.
WP:s criteria for an article about you that will "stick" can be seen at this link: WP:BASIC. Based on my quick googling, I don't think the reliable sources (WP:RS) required exists, but I can be wrong. Reliable sources excludes imdb, blogs, wikis, your websites, etc, etc.
If you read WP:BASIC and conclude "Yeah, I have those sources, no problem!" then you can try to make an article if you want. Guidance at the following links: WP:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing, WP:COI and WP:YFA. Again, unless you meet the criteria at WP:BASIC, this would be a waste of time.
About your 2 accounts, just abandon the one you don't want and never use it again. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:45, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@TLatrell: To add on to Gråbergs Gråa Sång's response, you may want to also get acquainted with WP:AUTO. Writing about yourself isn't strictly forbidden, but is strongly discouraged. If a draft you create ends up getting approved, you are strongly urged not to directly edit it any further (unless it's to remove stuff like obvious vandalism), and should restrict your edits to edit requests on the article's talk page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:39, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Also, TLatrell, please be aware that if Wikipedia ends up with an article about you, it will not belong to you, it will not be under your control, it will not be for your benefit (of course you may get some benefit from it, but that is no part of its purpose) and it will not necessarily say what you want it to say. Please see An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. --ColinFine (talk) 21:55, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

How do I restore accidentally-deleted text to an article using Edit History page with lined-through deleted text?[edit]

Symbol redirect vote2.svg Courtesy link: Ulster and Delaware Railroad

SEE article “Ulster and Delaware Railroad” I edited. Text to be be restored is 7705 bytes accidentally deleted on 6/21/21. Can someone please just do this for me? I am 77 years old and computer-illiterate. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 16ConcordeSSC (talkcontribs) 21:45, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

 Done. 16ConcordeSSC, if you ever make a mistake, you can often go into an article's history at the top of the page (e.g., Special:History/Ulster and Delaware Railroad), click on the relevant blue timestamp (the diff), and click "Undo" that appears in the right-hand column of the change. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:59, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
Oops! I also undid it, a couple of minutes after Tenryuu, and it didn't complain at me. PLease check that it's right, 16ConcordeSSC. --ColinFine (talk) 22:04, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
@ColinFine, your undo seems to have duplicated the relevant content. I've undone your undo. – Rummskartoffel 22:24, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

publish without a system of review[edit]

I think that it is not reliable for wikipedia to be in system of use that publish without a system of review like the Arabic wikipedia where all change from a non-editor will be suspended until be added by the users to be checked in a project page that is special for that gool. i hop you can reach with this to the Admins of your and create similar project.. regards --Bmt3s (talk) 22:01, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Sounds like WP:PC, where changes need to be approved. This is only done for a relatively few articles here at en.wp. There are more than 6 million articles here, it would not be practical to enable it for all or even a significant portion. RudolfRed (talk) 22:09, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
Bmt3s, en.wp has flatly rejected FlaggedRevisions as unworkable simply because the project is too large. (As I understand it, FR backlogs are an issue at the German-language edition, where FlaggedRevisions is on.) That is why we use the much more limited in scope WP:Pending changes instead, and even then it's constrained by what our protection policies allow, which means we do not use it to enforce content quality. WP:GA and WP:FA exist for quality-checking. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 01:57, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
Bmt3s, Wikipedia acknowledges that it is not a reliable source, because to enable the crowd-sourcing that allows such a huge depository of information to be assembled in the first place, the possibility of vandalism or error is always present. Usually the first is detected and corrected very quickly and the second perhaps less quickly, but sometimes they can slip past, and it may have happened only seconds before one looks at the article in question.
Also, research marches on, and something everyone believes to be correct today might turn out to be incorrect tomorrow. Wikipedia and all the articles in it are works in progress that in principle can never be completed, which is true for any Encyclopedia or other Tertiary source.
Instead, if correctness of given "facts" is critical, one should always check the source(s) that are cited to support them, and where necessary atribute those sources rather than Wikipedia itself. If no such sources are cited, be suspicious. {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 08:11, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
Thank you all, I still think that it is possible to enable WP:PC even if large project and that's by giving some privileges "fast" to reliable users so they can edit with no needed review. And i add an idea; colorful the article-history by colors that indicates to which level of trust the user who make the edit is. (By the privileges he has), that will ease watching even in the future. So by that user like me can easy know which info's are reliable and which less and needed more attention (more attention is by looking at their sources more carefully).
I want also to "give" attention that; "every thing is need source to be added in wikipedia(ar version)" they restrict about that and that makes their wiki grown more fast more reliable (fast because being more reliable attract more contributors-(good-users)) we all should always look for better systems to apply. And that is one to have. --Bmt3s (talk) 14:58, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

June 23[edit]

need to correct info[edit]

Pls correct the driving system of the Bangladesh . it will be . right hand driving not left — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:30, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

The information is correct; the heading is somewhat ambiguous. Here "driving side" means side of the road on which all vehicles must travel, which of course is "left". It does not refer to the side of the vehicle most commonly occupied by the driver, which would be "right". Doug butler (talk) 02:14, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Is a shady imposter?[edit]

I was googling for something in Japanese, and one result was on, which resembles Wikipedia in appearance, but has cookies, a banner ad (I have an ad blocker, so I don't know what ad), SMS sharing buttons, etc. I searched Google for just the base domain "", and initially all the hits were Japanese with the ja subdomain (perhaps detecting that I'm physically in Japan). Googling "" turned up English pages, but the topics were really obscure (as were the Japanese ones). The site calls itself Wikipedia and uses a color version of your globe logo, a very Wikipedia-like appearance, and even your footer verbatim. But below the footer, it says:

This Page Is Based On The Copyrighted Wikipedia Article [topic] (Authors); It Is Used Under The Creative Commons Attribution-Sharealike 3.0 Unported License. You May Redistribute It, Verbatim Or Modified, Providing That You Comply With The Terms Of The Cc-By-Sa.

When I click on the rumored article (which has a URL of[topic] - note the double "wiki"), the resulting real Wikipedia page says, "Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name." If I remove the extra "wiki", then I find the real article that is mimicking.

I can't tell if they have your header (Article/Talk...Search), because where it would be is obscured by a cookie agreement banner, and I have no interest in agreeing to cookies on a sketchy website. The fact that Google doesn't have any common topics (even though they appear to exist on the site) seems like an attempt to "fly under the radar" - apparently they use robots.txt or something similar to deliberately keep Google from indexing more normal topics. It all smells very, very fishy. (talk) 08:03, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

  • Thank you for the heads-up, but there is absolutely no reason to be alarmed. There are many, many, many mirrors and forks of Wikipedia around the web. Some of those are just (automated) copy-pastes with ads on top, but that is one of the uses our license allows, and this example probably complies with our license due to the footer.
The Wikimedia Foundation might have something to say about the use of the Wikipedia globe logo because of trademarks, but otherwise, there is nothing to be done. TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 08:28, 23 June 2021 (UTC)



How do I change the logo on the St Paul's Juniors page. You currently have the old logo for Colet Court which hasn't existed for a long time and it is also still pulling through to our google listings which is proving very unhelpful. I tried to upload the file but it won't let me. It keeps giving me an error message which says we can't determine if this is suitable for upload to wikipedia commons. Can we please resolve this.

Thank you,

Jessica — Preceding unsigned comment added by SPS JMS (talkcontribs) SPS JMS (talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Courtesy link: St Paul's Juniors (which was formerly known as Colet Court). AndrewWTaylor (talk) 13:38, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
SPS JMS, logos don't go on Commons, they go on WP itself. Follow this link Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard and chose "Upload a non-free file" (then "This is a copyrighted, non-free work, but I believe it is Fair Use." then "This is a logo of an organization, company, brand, etc."). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:47, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

When will my Sandbox page be searchable?[edit]

Can someone review my newly revised draft? at this point I don't know where i'm going wrong. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Weknoweverything21 (talkcontribs) 13:47, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Weknoweverything21, I assume you mean Draft:The Grosse Pointe News. Check WP:NORG, that is your first hurdle. If you have those sources, use them in the draft. If not, edit something else. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:54, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
And if WP:COI applies to you, please follow the guidance there. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:58, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

make a new article[edit]

Can someone please start a page for the movie HoneyBee from 2016?

You can request someone start it at WP:RA, but it's probably faster if you find reliable sources and think about creating a draft. See WP:YFA for more details. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:31, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Username list[edit]

With the link to "User rights", I used to be able to see in a list all accounts that started with a particular set of characters. Right now, it shows this. If I manually remove the &limit" from the URL, it seems to work, but why does it use that at all? What should I do differently? (If I change the characters after I've removed the limit=, it then does it with a limit of 50.)--Bbb23 (talk) 15:53, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Bbb23, when I look up the same thing (i.e. by typing "Bbb" at Special:ListUsers), I get this, with a limit of 500. This should be tied to the Number of edits to show in recent changes, page histories, and in logs, by default preference at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rc – what value do you have set there? --Blablubbs|talk 15:59, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
@Blablubbs: I have 50, but that triggers two questions. As my first diff above shows, the first time I did it, it defaulted to a limit of 1; and is there any way to break this down, e.g., only 50 in Recent changes but a larger number when doing this, or better still, override whatever I have when I'm in the interface itself (without modifying the URL)? Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:07, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
@Bbb23, I don't think there's a way to break down the preference (at least not in Special:Preferences), but you should see buttons next to the page selectors at the top and bottom of the list that allow you to select how many users to show (20 | 50 | 100 | 250 | 500). Also, I think I may have skipped over a crucial part of your question: Can you clarify which "user rights" link you're talking about? --Blablubbs|talk 16:10, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
@Blablubbs: Aha! I was thinking the limit would be before I hit Show, but the buttons to the right of the one user I get will be fine. We're using the same page. I get there, for example, by looking at any user's contributions and clicking on the link "User rights" at the bottom. I still don't understand why mine defaults to one, but .... --Bbb23 (talk) 16:16, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
Oh, that one – yeah, I get a limit of 1 there too, but not when I query something manually at Special:ListUsers, so it seems to just be a mediawiki default; if it bothers you enough, you could probably work around it with a userscript or a redirector browser plugin (I use this one to redirect all CentralAuth links to meta for example), but it's probably not worth the effort. --Blablubbs|talk 16:23, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
That limit comes from Template:Sp-contributions-footer; you could try and get consensus for changing it there. Alternatively, a user script like this should do the trick:
$('#sp-contributions-footer .hlist .external[href*="Special:ListUsers"]').each(function() {
  var url = new URL(this.href);
  this.href = url;
– Rummskartoffel 17:03, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

How Do I Retrieve Archived Info that's Disappeared From Wiki?[edit]

I have a client (an individual) that has had a wikipedia bio online for years.

While we were working with the wiki team to make some updates, the page just disappeared from online and now says it's 'archived,' and when we inquire w/ the wiki team, no one responds via email, within their portal or via phone.

How do we get it back online? Or get in touch with someone at wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:56, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

What was the name of the article? Cullen328 Let's discuss it 16:05, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
Can you tell us what the title of the article was? Usedtobecool ☎️ 16:06, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
And who are this "wiki team" of which you speak? --Orange Mike | Talk 17:16, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
Looks like you've just got in touch with someone. Face-smile.svg However, we are not 'at Wikipedia' in a sense nobody here is employed by Wikipedia (or, more precisely, by Wikimiedia Foundation, who runs he project). We are all volunteers and we can hardly guess the page you're talking about until you give us its name. Please help us help you and say what you are looking for. --CiaPan (talk) 17:39, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Editing Wikidata entries[edit]

Hi there, I've done some work on the Sotheby's page & want to remove the financial data (revenue, operating income, net income, etc.) from their infobox seeing as they're a private company & that won't be updated anymore. When I go to remove that from the infobox, I'm left with a preview of the data & a link to the Wikidata page. I'm not sure what I need to do to remove said data from the infobox & do not want to blank those pages on Wikidata. Can anyone help? I was directed here from the Sotheby's talk page by another user. Gold Pieces (talk) 16:40, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Gold Pieces, there is a way (not documented in the infobox template) to suppress fields you don't want. The example from {{Infobox person/Wikidata}} is:
{{Infobox person/Wikidata
| suppressfields=occupation children
| dateformat = dmy
| noicon=on
}} StarryGrandma (talk) 17:07, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
StarryGrandma, thank you for the help. I've applied the code in a preview to the Sotheby's page & while it does work, I can't get it to apply to all the financial categories. For some reason, it won't hide the equity field but will apply to all other fields. I've verified that I'm spelling it correctly & typing in the right field. Here's my sample:
| suppressfields = revenue operating_income net_income assets equity num_employees
Am I doing this wrong? Thanks in advance. Gold Pieces (talk) 17:41, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
|equity= is not populated from wikidata so |suppressfields= does not apply. If you want to remove the financial data, remove those parameters and their values and then set |suppressfields=revenue operating_income net_income assets num_employees to prevent the template from fetching those data from wikidata.
Trappist the monk (talk) 18:10, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
Gold Pieces, suppressfields only works with fields that the template can get from Wikidata. The Wikidata entry for Sotheby's doesn't have equity, so just blanking the field is enough. This could be a problem if someone added an equity value to Wikidata later, so keep equity in the list of fields to be suppressed. StarryGrandma (talk) 18:30, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Do those product reviews establish notability?[edit]

Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) § Product reviews says "a strong indication of a sponsored or other relationship is a review that is excessively positive or negative", and they do seem overly positive for me. On the other hand, the first two articles are published in seemingly reliable sources.

Am I being paranoid or do these, too, seem like sponsored reviews to you? Kleinpecan (talk) 18:03, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

BCL VERSION OF MediaWiki:Guidedtour-tour-twa7.js and soon[edit]

Where should I request for editing a MediaWiki?? Philippines Shimin_Ufesoj Philippines 18:29, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

How do i create a Wiipedia page on a musical group?[edit]

I want to create a Wikipedia page for a Rap group from the early 90's — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrpierson51 (talkcontribs) 19:06, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Your starting point is to assess whether the group meets Wikipedia's definition of notability, & particularly WP:NMUSIC. After that, advice is available at WP:Your first article. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:29, 23 June 2021 (UTC)