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June 13[edit]


This ropeway accident killed four people and injured eight. It occurred on March 4, 1979. The details were never put into the record. I have a copy of the complete story as published by the Chicago Tribune Press Service. The newsprint is hard to decipher, but I have a clear, printed transcript. I would be happy to mail it (USPS) to Wikipedia or the appropriate individual; someone who is interested and knows how the archives on Ropeway Accidents is managed. Just send the address to my email address or phone me at (redacted) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

I have removed your contact information for your own protection, as it is not wise to publish it in this public forum. In addition, unless the most sensitive personal information is involved, Wikipedia related matters are handled on Wikipedia, for openness and transparency. Regarding your request, you seem to misunderstand how Wikipedia works- there is no central location to mail stories to for others to write about; volunteer Wikipedia editors write about subjects that interest them and also meet Wikipedia's special definition of notability, summarizing what independent reliable sources state. In this case, we would need more than one source about this accident to write an article about it- and the best way to guarantee that an article is written is to do it yourself, though it is challenging. 331dot (talk) 06:53, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
Ropeway accident in Vail which killed four people and injured eight fits this incident in 1976. Maproom (talk) 07:26, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not a newspaper, and generally accidents aren't worthy of articles, unless it was a terrorist incident, someone famous was killed or possibly gross negligence was the cause (the last being the case with the recent Stresa–Mottarone cable car crash). There was a Sports Illustrated article nearly nine months after the March 1976 accident, but that's about it, and in my judgment, that's not enough to qualify as WP:SUSTAINED coverage. At best, I could see it being included in a List of gondola accidents, if that were created. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:32, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
"Unless [...] someone famous was killed": Clarityfiend, is this true? I do realize that Wikipedia is besotted with celebrity, but celebs anyway tend to get their own thanatographies. -- Hoary (talk) 08:57, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
Death of James Dean, The Day the Music Died, 1999 South Dakota Learjet crash, 2020 Calabasas helicopter crash? Clarityfiend (talk) 09:25, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
Per WP:AIRCRASH (only an essay, but still mostly followed), "For accidents involving light aircraft ... or any military aircraft the standard for inclusion is:
  • The accident involved the death of a person of sufficient individual notability to have their own biography page in Wikipedia ..." Clarityfiend (talk) 09:30, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
  • "The accident resulted in a significant change to the aircraft design or aviation operations". That's another valid reason for an article, but doesn't apply here. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:46, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
Information about the accident is included in Vail_Ski_Resort#1970s. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 15:25, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Disambiguation page replaced[edit]

Looking through new users' pages, I came across The Day Before. I made a few copy edits. But then I noticed something strange in the history - until recently this was a disambiguation page. It seems the recent editor replaced that with this article, losing the old disambiguation function in the process. Being new, they may not appreciate what a disambiguation page is. Any suggestions how to proceed? In particular, I am aware of the need to retain edit history for both the DAB page and the article.--Gronk Oz (talk) 07:39, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

I am torn between just restoring the dab page, as the game has, not surprisingly, no sources for any of the gameplay or specs, or moving the game to The Day Before (video game) and adding it to the restored dab page. Leaning toward the former. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:42, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
In that case it might be best to take it to the article talk page?--Shantavira|feed me 11:45, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
I doubt the article Talk page would get enough editors involved for a meaningful discussion. @Clarityfiend: if I were to create that new article for the game, is there any way to keep the edit history? Or would it just start from today with me apparently creating it de novo?--Gronk Oz (talk) 17:06, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
I'd prefer to keep the edit history with the dab page. As for the game, only the intro is worth salvaging as far as I can see. You could just attribute that in the edit comment. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:09, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
I've reverted the page to a disambiguation page. Sneaking an article onto Wikipedia by hijacking a page intended for another purpose is dishonest. If the "upcoming" (a word usually used here to mean "not notable yet, but") zombie game can be shown to be notable, then I expect someone will create an article about it by honest methods, and link to it from the disambiguation page. Maproom (talk) 22:34, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
@Maproom: Wise advice, as always. Thanks.--Gronk Oz (talk) 01:27, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Shaquille.oatmeal3333 - removing maintenance templates & Edit Warring.[edit]

Good Day,
I would like to bring to your attention continuous unconstructive Edits and Edit Warring by Shaquille.oatmeal3333 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)
The page in question is I.C. Colony (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs).

Recently User deleted the maintenance templates of the page - [1]. which was reverted with message being left wrt ( Template:Uw-tdel2 ) on User talk:Shaquille.oatmeal3333.
USER deleted the Maintenance templates again (despite the 1st Warning) -[2] , with ZERO Explanation/summary. This too was reverted - with Template:Uw-tdel3 added to User talk:Shaquille.oatmeal3333, but to no avail.
Shaquille.oatmeal3333 has once again deleted the maintenance templates. Thereby showing an inclination to engage in WP:EW. User had also reverted an edit which sought to TONE down the Promotional Overtone of the Article - [here]

From User talk:Shaquille.oatmeal3333, it is evident that Shaquille.oatmeal3333 has done the same thing in the past and was warned against it by another Editor in May 2021.
Shaquille.oatmeal3333 is obviously closely attached to the Article in question and is engaging in WP:PROMO and not adhering to WP:NPOV and in the process is generating a WP:COI.
The Article itself has no References other than a mention as a dog park & a train line passing through it. I am reporting this because I don't Want to run foul of WP:3RR
--Thank you, --STC1 (talk) 11:26, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Edit warring reports go to WP:ANEW, long term behavioral problems to WP:ANI. Victor Schmidt (talk) 11:48, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Note Blocked (indef) Eagleash (talk) 12:04, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
@Victor Schmidt: [WP:ANI]]. Got it. Thank You.
@Eagleash: OK. Understood. Thank You. -- STC1 (talk) 12:12, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
@SierraTangoCharlie1: The account was blocked by Materialscientist who had become involved at the page. As the disruption was persistent, current and ongoing I had taken it to WP:AIV and the block was immediate, but my request probably 'overlapped'. FWIW I am fairly certain I have seen a similalrly named disruptive account at some point in the last 2 or 3 years. Eagleash (talk) 15:32, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
@Eagleash:- I didn't even know that WP:AIV existed. I only knew about WP:ANI & WP:AN. Everyday I learn something new. Anyways about the USER in question, I've been noticing their constant reluctance to allow edits to this particular page, and had reported it in a previous month, admins then had cancelled his reverts, but new month and same story repeats again. Anyways, Thank you very much for your help, the USER (Shaquille.oatmeal3333) had also vandalised my userpage, which was reverted by editors. --STC1 (talk) 15:43, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Using the infobox for settlements: auto population density.[edit]

While editing this page: Monroe County, New York I tried to enable | population_density_sq_mi = auto but it seemed to have no effect. How do I know what failed? There was no indication of missing information.

Also, besides being a rather computer-literate software engineer, I am a novice with the Wikipedia ecosystem, including this Help desk. Sorry for any breeches of etiquette or style.

Thanks, Aheckmann (talk) 15:10, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Aheckmann, I think you have mastered talk page etiquette. I checked the template for the infobox used in the article and unfortunately Template:Infobox U.S. county#Population density states "Population density ... Must be entered manually, as the template does not currently support automatic calculations based on population divided by area." TSventon (talk) 15:43, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
Sorry, I thought my edited page was a "settlement" infobox, but I must have read that from another, open browser tab. Since "u.s. county" is a wrapper for "settlement", how difficult do you think it is to add an auto-calculated field like that? Aheckmann (talk) 16:32, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
Aheckmann, sorry, I have no idea. I see you have asked at the template talk page, which is a good idea. If you don't get an answer here or at the talk page you could try Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). TSventon (talk) 17:13, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Mystery category on Template:GWR Locomotives[edit]

Navbar {{GWR Locomotives}} is in Category:Rail transport navigational boxes of the United Kingdom. I cannot see the category either in the source for the template, nor on its doc page {{GWR Locomotives/doc}}. How is this category applied?--Verbarson (talk) 18:44, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

It's on the doc page, in a <includeonly>{{Sandbox other|| block (which makes only the base template get categorized and not the doc page itself or the template's sandbox. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:46, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
Thanks. When I saw the doc page was not categorised, I didn't look any further into the source. I wll read up on {{Sandbox other}}.--Verbarson (talk) 18:56, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Text/Image flow control: Glens Falls Hospital[edit]

Aside from {{clear}}, which would not help here (Glens Falls Hospital), is there a way to have the =History= section begin to the right of the image on the left, or, as a second choice, right after that (emgergency care center) image. Pi314m (talk) 18:52, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

I moved the image so it doesn't interfere with the section header, which i think is an improvement. But I'm not sure if that is what you meant. MB 19:22, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for trying. What I'm looking for, if it's possible, is to have =History= begin much higher up, without the large empty space. Pi314m (talk) 20:22, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
@Pi314m: You could add {{TOC right}}. In my preview at least, that fixes the problem. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:11, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
@Pi314m: It's not a readability problem as it is, and I'd just say leave it. Yes the gap is kind of annoying, but it's present on essentially every article. Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 22:07, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
Ask yourself if that image on the left is really necessary. I mean really necessary. For me, I don't think that an image of a hospital emergency entrance that could be any emergency entrance to any hospital doesn't do anything for the article. Were it up to me, I'd bin it. And also, MOS:SANDWICH...
Trappist the monk (talk) 22:59, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Please document somewhere: to avoid unpleasant/"annoying" gaps

  • do not use {{TOC right}}
  • BEFORE ==History== (or whatever section comes after LEAD),
    • place {{TOC limit|5}} [the "5" can be 2 or 99 if you want]
I noticed this odd/but works combination in Roswell Park Comprehensive Cancer Center. Now Glens Falls Hospital is OK

(the article, not necessarily the hospital's finances).

P.S. more on this topic, from when I escalated, is at WP:VPT#!Scrunch! Text/Image flow control: Glens Falls Hospital Pi314m (talk) 14:06, 14 June 2021 (UTC)



Welcome to Wikipedia. You may ask questions about how to edit here. For experimenting or learning to edit, please use the WP:SANDBOX RudolfRed (talk) 20:38, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

June 14[edit]

A deliberate propaganda[edit]

This isn't the place to bring up disputes like this. Editors may be looking for dispute resolution. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:24, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

If you take two minutes, you can see that 2 3 editors are running a campaign on purpose. this is a complete blind loop. We cannot enter data because they have blocked us. you say "you can go and contribute". but they do not allow it. review the history of the page. they reject and delete resources. but they cite an interview done a week ago as a source. I am not threatening. just stop these malicious people. You can see that they are just making propaganda by reading the page history.

In a sub-title, almost all sources are Armenian. In addition, there are writers who have Armenian chairs in other sources. Example : 97 Kevorkian Armenian 98 Kevorkian Armenian 99 Kevorkian Armenian 100 Kevorkian Armenian 101 Kevorkian Armenian 61 Avedian Armenian

example of denial of resources : 22:15, 8 May 2021‎ Buidhe talk contribs‎ 106,390 bytes −821‎ →‎top: these are just reviews repeating mc carthy's claims, and have no independent value (except for the reception of his book)

This is a Turkish phobia. When you read this editor's other posts and see him reject sources, you will see that he is neutral and has created a campaign.

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Template linking going wrong[edit]

Got a template called Template:2021 New Zealand Women's Northern League but when you click view or edit, it takes you to Template:2021 New Zealand Northern League instead, what have I done wrong here?— NZFC(talk)(cont) 03:28, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

@NZFC: Make sure you update the parameter "template_name" too. I went ahead and fixed it for you. --SuperJew (talk) 05:23, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Article Rejected[edit]

Symbol redirect vote2.svg Courtesy link: Draft:Anudip Foundation for Social Welfare

I have tried multiple times to publish a article but it rejected, please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4060:287:6CDB:9CC0:48D2:D5FE:8686 (talk) 11:01, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

If you can find several reliable independent published sources with in-depth discussion of the subject (currently the draft has none), then rewrite the draft from scratch, basing it on what they say. They needn't be in English. If you can't find such sources, then there's nothing to be done. Maproom (talk) 14:07, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Template broken[edit]

I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but there seems to be a problem with Template:UN_Population. For example, on the page Europe, {{UN_Population|Europe}} ({{UN_Population|Year}}; [[List of continents by population|3rd]]){{UN_Population|ref}} renders as "2,015,496 (2,015,496; 3rd)2,015,496" for some reason. As we all know, the population of Europe isn't just over 2 million. Also, the population in India is apparently "1,393,771,7962,015,496". Seems like the template generates 2,015,496, but I can't figure out what's causing the problem. (talk) 12:23, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

It looks to be okay now- someone made changes to the template, which have been reverted, as it was causing issues. You may need to purge your browser cache if it's still displaying incorrectly. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:27, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
It's fine now, thank you. (talk) 12:46, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Move a page[edit]

Where is the link to move a page? (The IP address known as Wallglobemat) (talk) 13:51, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

As an IP account you need to follow the Wikipedia:Requested moves process. If the move is uncontroversial, see the technical section. TSventon (talk) 13:59, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Where is the link to move a page (I am on the Kindle Paperwhite)? Wallglobemat (talkand contribs) 14:03, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

I have found it myself. It is Special:MovePage/example. Wallglobemat (talkand contribs) 15:05, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Editing a Page Preview Pop-Up[edit]

On the page, the page preview pop-up for Geneva Conventions says, "The Geneva Conventions states that by saying with all due respect it implies you can then say whatever you want!", which is clearly not what the Geneva Conventions stand for, but I cannot find a place to be able to edit the page preview. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bryan.Bonner (talkcontribs) 15:57, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Bryan.Bonner You happened upon that at the wrong moment. The page preview pop up is the first few sentences of the article being previewed. You edit the popup by editing the article. Someone changed the lead sentence of the article about the Geneva Convention to what you saw. An automated vandalism-detection program changed it back less than a second later. You must have seen the preview in the portion of a second between it being changed and reverted back. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 16:00, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

It still says the same thing I wrote above on the page preview when I hover over it, even though the main page does not. I tried attaching a screenshot I took one minute ago but was not allowed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bryan.Bonner (talkcontribs)

@Bryan.Bonner: You are correct. Page Previews shows a cached version of a page. It still displayed the vandalism which was reverted four days ago. I have fixed it by purging Geneva Conventions. ONUnicorn may use Navigation popups, a similar feature used by many editors. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:20, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you!

Need help on a ref[edit]

Need help on the new sneaker pimps album to add it to the 2021 albums list[edit]

Hi could someone help me find and add a better ref for the new sneakers pimps album i'm kind of stuck on what to do because that isn't a valid ref.

Taken care of. QuietHere (talk) 16:26, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Andrew beckdog[edit]

An american rapper who works at rpry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:25, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia is created and edited by volunteers, who work on what they are interested in. If you want to see a topic added, you either need to write the article yourself (see Your first article), or get another editor interested in working on the article - it's possible you will find somebody if you post at WT:WikiProject Hiphop; but no guarantees. --ColinFine (talk) 17:50, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Deleted SPI case question[edit]

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/2603:8000:CC01:2FB4:81B6:4C53:1C84:F682 This SPI page was deleted with the comment "See the closing clerk's comment". Where is that comment? Is it on the deleted page only, or is there a page somewhere accessable with the comments?

I am not familiar with all the clerking stuff in SPI and I am wondering if now that the page is deleted if there is anyway to see the referrenced comments. RudolfRed (talk) 18:04, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: The closing comments (from User:Dreamy Jazz) were as follows:

The changing IPs does not suggest sockpuppetry as a user, especially in certain ISPs, may have several IP addresses which may or may not be in a similar range. The very similar geolocation of the IP addresses suggests this is not a deliberate use of different IP address ranges to present as a different person. Therefore, as the sockpuppetry policy has not been violated here, this is not the right place to request further action with regards to these IP addresses. Close. Archiving clerk: as this is a IP only SPI case where sockpuppetry has not occurred due to dynamic IPs, deletion may be the better option here.

Deor (talk) 18:48, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
Thank you. RudolfRed (talk) 18:57, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

I tried to create a page on one of my Ancestors[edit]

Next discussion : #My post

Hi there

I tried to create a page on one of my ancestors who was a highly decorated Pilot in the RNZAF/RAF in ww2 who was an unsung war hero who was decorated 5 seperate times for bravery and had a book written about him after the War. I spent hours trying to create the page only for someone in Wikipedia to say that they didn’t think it would be interesting to people and disallowed the page ! I very much disagree with that short sighted point of view what can I do this was my first ever attempt at contributing to Wikipedia


Zayne van Bommel — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bommer76 (talkcontribs) 18:27, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

@Bommer76: Hello, and welcome to the Help Desk. When you create an article about somebody you have a relationship, you have something we call a conflict of interest. Editing with a conflict of interest is not forbidden, its just harder. I assume this is about Draft:Maechel Anthony Ensor (formerly Draft:Maechel Anthony "Mick" Ensor DSO & Bar, DFC & Bar, AFC), if this is about a different draft, please state which. Unfortunally, it has been deleted on May 2nd because it appeared to be too similar to this copyrighted website, something which is a big no-no here. I am not an admin here and therefore are unable to check the deleted revisions. The pathway from here depends on wether the copyright holder of the text agrees to license the text under a Wikipedia-compatible license. If they do, the draft can be restored and we can work from there. If they don't, well, we cannot use the text here. Courtesy ping for Jimfbleak who deleted the draft. Victor Schmidt (talk) 18:55, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
Bommer76 I don't see anywhere where someone said they "didn't think it would be interesting to people". Perhaps you could point out where someone said that? You may be misinterpreting the message left at your talk page that read, "This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people)." This is not about interestingness, which is subjective. It's about verifiability - ensuring that readers can look up the information in Wikipedia articles in other published material. If you have questions about our policies on verifiability, notablility, and reliable sources, feel free to ask. However, compliance with these policies is required in order for an article to remmain on this website. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 19:28, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Talkpage Rearranging Inquery[edit]

Hello! I've got some conversations in my talkpage. Could i delete or hide or archive them? Please someone help me.Muhammad Shafayet Hossain (talk) 19:07, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Muhammad Shafayet Hossain Yes, you can delete or hide or archive them. See Help:archive for some methods of archiving a talk page. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 19:30, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
@ONUnicorn: Thanks a lot.Muhammad Shafayet Hossain (talk) 19:51, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
@Muhammad Shafayet Hossain: on your user talk page, you are allowed to remove almost anything you want to. See WP:REMOVED for the few things you are not allowed to delete. RudolfRed (talk) 00:58, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
@RudolfRed and RudolfRed: Thanks for your information. I've already archived previous conversations. I think removing all of them, is unnecessary. So, i kept them in an archive. Thanks again.Muhammad Shafayet Hossain (talk) 11:49, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

My post[edit]

Funny because I wrote the entire article on Traces of War exclusively from both the book and the Bravery citations so no they do not own the copyright on anything that is written ! Also if you look at the bottom of the page all sources of information were referenced and cited at the bottom of the page


Zayne — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bommer76 (talkcontribs)

This seems to be related to the question above about the Maechel Anthony Ensor article. Unfortunately, even if you did write the article on the Traces of War website, you gave up copyright to that text when you submitted it to them. Their terms and conditions page says By submitting your information and / or content, you surrender the full right of use for use on the websites and projects of STIWOT. STIWOT has the full right to use all information and content in the websites and projects. So it appears that they do own the copyright to this text and it cannot be used on Wikipedia, even if the subject of the article were notable. CodeTalker (talk) 20:14, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
@Bommer76 and CodeTalker: The "right of use" statement on that web site is ambiguous. Since the word "copyright" does not appear, this does not appear to to be a "writing" that constitutes a transfer of ownership of the copyright. It appears to be an unrestricted non-exclusive license from the copyright holder to the web site. However, the volunteers here are not lawyers, and we cannot make a decision about this, so we must treat this as if that web site owns the copyright. If you want to affirm that you are still the copyright owner, you will need to send an e-mail to the professionals. See WP:OTRS. It will be easier to simply re-write the material. But you will still need to establish notability by references to some appropriate published sources. See WP:CSMN -Arch dude (talk) 05:18, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
Presumably some of the sources at Ensor, Maechel Anthony "Mick" would be usable on WP too (haven't read them so I can't say for sure), but you have to ref them WP-style, see WP:TUTORIAL. I don't think Tracesofwar itself would be considered a WP:RS. Perhaps you can find interested editors at WT:MILHIST. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:45, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

June 15[edit]

Accidentally made Archive 1 subpage redirect back to my main Talk page, making it inaccessible. How do I delete this redirect?[edit]

Exactly what the title says. I accidentally created a redirect while trying to move/archive the page user_talk:CherrySoda, which links back to the main talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CherrySoda (talkcontribs) 02:48, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

If you want a page in your user space deleting, you can tag it with {{Db-u1}}. - David Biddulph (talk) 03:19, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
But are you sure you want User talk:CherrySoda/Archive 1 deleting? Don't you want to replace the redirect content with the content of User talk:CherrySoda/Archive? When you say "making it inaccesible", do you realise that if User talk:CherrySoda/Archive 1 redirects to User talk:CherrySoda it shows (at the top) "(Redirected from User talk:CherrySoda/Archive 1)" with the link back to the archive page being clickable? --David Biddulph (talk) 03:27, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
@CherrySoda: I've deleted the page under WP:CSD#U1 (yes, it should have been WP:CSD#G7, but no harm done). You can always recreate it if User talk:CherrySoda/Archive gets too large. Mjroots (talk) 07:37, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

MBE and notability[edit]

Wikipedia:Notability (people) says people may be notable if "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for such an award several times." Is there any cutoff in practice for such offers - for instance in the case of a British person, would receiving an MBE be likely to qualify? rossb (talk) 05:13, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

I believe that consensus is that only the higher orders of the OBE are considered to be sufficient to presume notability. I'll look for the link. Meters (talk) 05:20, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
Have not found the discussion link yet, but here is confirmation that my memory is correct Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Orders,_decorations,_and_medals/Archive_6#MBE_recipients_all_notable_or_not?.
Perhaps user: Necrothesp can point us to the link before I stumble on it. Meters (talk) 05:28, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
Sorry, can't find the full discussion. You'll have to wait for someone else to provide it if you want/need it. Meters (talk) 05:38, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
We have always considered that CBE and higher are sufficient for notability under WP:ANYBIO #1 (i.e. CBE, CVO, CIE, CMG, CSI, CB, CH, OM and anything that carries the title of Sir or Dame). That comes from long consensus at AfD. See here. OBE, MBE, LVO and MVO are not generally considered to be sufficient to establish notability under ANYBIO, although they do of course add to the chance that a recipient may be notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:24, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

What proportion of mobile article views read beyond the lead?[edit]

I'm certain I've seen statistics somewhere about what proportion of article views from mobile devices never go beyond the lead, versus what proportion involve the reader clicking at least one section heading to open a section. I can't find those statistics. Can anyone else? Adrian J. Hunter(talkcontribs) 11:17, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

did not receive password reset email[edit]

Hi, I see where I can only request a password reset once per 24 hours. My user name was recognized and my email address and it said a reset was being sent to me but I did not receive it. Please help. I suppose another alternative is to re-register with a new user name and password. Do I also need a "new" or different email address? regards

You can have multiple accounts under one email adress, but before that, please check your spamfolder. Password reset emails are known to land there rather frequently. Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:34, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Classic vector skin font size[edit]

Note: In case of interest.--Hildeoc (talk) 15:34, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Using photoshoot images in BLPs[edit]

Is there a policy or guideline which asks not to use photoshoot images in BLPs? Special:Diff/1028713024 -- DaxServer (talk) 17:34, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Handsome Pearl V Puri Clicked by Sajid Shahid (42093188620) (cropped)
DaxServerNever heard of one. And while I'd expect an image like this to be "ripped" from somewhere, per the info on Commons, that is not so. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:08, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
Non-free images of a living person are almost always considered to fail WP:NFCCP#1, replaceability, as an image of that person could be created. Photoshoot images are almost always copyrighted but I see this one isn't (assuming the Flickr page is the photographer uploading the image under a public domain license) so that would make it fine for use. We go by recentness and quality of image when there are multiple free images available. — Bilorv (talk) 18:11, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
@Bilorv @Gråbergs Gråa Sång Thanks for the clarifications. -- DaxServer (talk) 07:39, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Use of article[edit]


I would like permission to use some of information and the photo from the article at this link on your site, entitled Africatown. I plan to use it in the front pages of my children's book. I will credit Wikipedia as the source.

Please let me know if that is okay.

Thank you, Jerrye Sumrall — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:46, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Absolutely, Wikipedia is published under a Creative Commons license license, which means that it can be reused for many purposes. See Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content. As long as you credit Wikipedia, this is permitted. I'd recommend you use a "permanent link" URL to do so (e.g. Most images come from Wikimedia Commons, such as the one at the top of AfricatownFile:Welcome to Africatown (cropped).jpg—and can also be reused. You should preferably credit the listed author of the image and link to the URL of the specific image page. If you click on an image in an article and see it's hosted on Wikipedia directly with a "fair use" rationale, then this means it is copyrighted—it wasn't Wikipedia volunteers that made it and whether you can reuse it depends on copyright law in your country. — Bilorv (talk) 17:59, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
Hello! See this link: Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content. I don't know which photo you mean, but click it and then the "More details" button for info. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:00, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Citing primary sources[edit]

Is there a template for the citation of primary sources such as diaries, private papers, or syllabi? I am working on a very controversial class offered in the 70s in Nebraska, and the course syllabus would be helpful to quote from. I will primarily be looking at secondary sources, but there is a use for primary ones under policy. Urve (talk) 17:51, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

@Urve: You may be looking for WP:PRIMARY for guidance. There are templates related to primary sources, but the ones that I found ({{Primary sources}} and {{Primary source inline}}) urge for their reduction rather than just asserting something is a primary source. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:59, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
Tenryuu, no, I am already aware of the policy. I am asking if there is something like, e.g., cite journal for diaries or syllabi or whatever. I can do it manually, but the use of citations is sometimes easier for humans to parse and is more consistent. Urve (talk) 18:02, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Note that "diaries" and "private papers" could fail the verifiability requirement "attributable to reliable, published sources" (emphasis mine). The material should at some point have been made widely available. For instance, I can't cite my own diary even if I'm a world-leading expert in something and I would be reliable for the information per WP:SPS if I wrote it on a blog. Is that the case with these sources? It seems to me that if it's published then the method of publishing would lead itself to an appropriate citation template (e.g. {{cite book}} if the diary was published as a book). But the technical thing you're looking for may be just {{citation}} itself (or take a look at a list like Template:Citation Style documentation/cs1). — Bilorv (talk) 18:05, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
Bilorv, thanks. The definition of published is unclear, but they're widely available in university archives (and have been quoted in some secondary ones - so I'll probably just quote those instead) - so if that's the bar, it seems acceptable. Will think some more. Thanks for telling me that the citation template is fine enough - wasn't aware. Urve (talk) 18:14, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
Okay, I believe that being available in university archives is fine for verifiability. — Bilorv (talk) 18:18, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Archiving discussions on talk page[edit]

In recent months there has been debate on this page: Talk:Finasteride. I observed it but was not involved. On May 3, selected topics on Talk:Finasteride were archived by an editor who had not been involved in the discussions to that point, as far as I know. Why were those topics archived, and is there a policy on archiving discussions on Talk pages? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 18:47, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

The information on how and when to archive discussions is at Help:Archiving a talk page. As for why those particular discussions were archived, it's probably best to ask JzG, as JzG is the one who archived them. However, if you will notice, JzG left a closing statement before archiving those discussions indicating that the "OP is Doors22 evading a block." There is a history of one particular user who has been problematic on that article and was blocked as a result. The user periodically comes back in violation of our policy on multiple accounts to continue pushing the argument that got them blocked. In cases like that, it's common to archive such discussions sooner than normal in an effort to avoid feeding the trolls. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 19:31, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
Thanks. I studied the history of the Talk page (also before submitting this) and didn't see the "closing statement" you refer to. Still don't see it.
This edit. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 22:57, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Conversating with Wikipedia[edit]

???(?). (talk) 19:31, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

You'll have to give us some more information as to what exactly you are asking. 331dot (talk) 19:32, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

False information on my Wikipedia page[edit]

There is false information on my page - Artis the Spoonman. It is about my name. How can I change it? I clicked "Edit", changed a few things but did it wrong. I have trouble understanding complex issues - PTSD Actually.

My name is Artis71.212.132.107 (talk)

Please make an edit request(click for instructions) on Talk:Artis the Spoonman, detailing changes you feel are needed, preferably sourced to independent reliable sources. Note that Wikipedia will typically use the most common name for a subject. 331dot (talk) 21:49, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
Hi Artis! Your edit went through, here, but a volunteer undid it because it doesn't provide any reliable sources. Even if you obviously know what is and isn't true about yourself, Wikipedia only reports information that has been published in reliable sources—otherwise, we'd get a lot of people pretending to be other people and a lot of people deliberately adding wrong information as a joke. Because you're the subject of the article, we also prefer you to just make requests of edits, like 331dot tells you how to do above, because we want to stay editorially independent of our subjects. So please make a request but only to add information that is backed up by a news report or link to your personal website or something else which proves to someone with no familiarity with the topic that it is true. We also won't be able to change the article title to just Artis because there are many different things with this name and we need to distinguish between them. — Bilorv (talk) 07:50, 16 June 2021 (UTC)


Is the positive word — Preceding unsigned comment added by EMIHLE MFEKETHO (talkcontribs) 23:14, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi, EMIHLE MFEKETHO, do you have a question? — Bilorv (talk) 07:53, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

June 16[edit]

Honorific title on Wikipedia[edit]

Is it OK to use honorific title "Prof." on Wikipedia? I have seen it on Wikipedia:Writing better articles#Other issues. The Supermind (talk) 08:03, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

The link which you provided gives the answer. "Do not ...". --David Biddulph (talk) 08:38, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
We do not use academic titles or degrees of any kind in the lede. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:05, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

An update on Meshack Alloys information[edit]

I wanted to follow up on the progress for the approval and publication of the below draft please?

According to that page it was rejected on May 9 and has not been re-submitted or even edited since then, so atm approval is rejected. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:40, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Unknow language[edit]

I am searching for what language is written in this image. The first two lines is latin. And the last lines, what language is? It seems greek, but I am not sure... I want to type it... -- (talk) 10:51, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

There is a list of letters used in the logo at Wikipedia:Wikipedia logos § The characters of the v2 logo. Kleinpecan (talk) 10:54, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
The information at the source file on Commons says "A logo for Wikipedia in the Tachelhit Language". Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:54, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Multiple quotes from same source[edit]

Hi, I would like to know how to use different "quotes" for the "cite web" template. I would like to use a single source, but put different quotes in different places in the text. I hope I have explained. Thank you.--Mhorg (talk) 11:11, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

@Mhorg: Assuming you're using the source editor, you can create a named reference then recall it later in the article. Example:
<ref name=example>{{cite web|details}}</ref>; this generates the reference like normal.
<ref name=example />; this reuses the reference above and doesn't create a separate entry in the references list. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 11:17, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for the answer @Tenryuu:, but I'm talking about a different thing. For example... in the first line I can put the "quote" parameter. But, think about it, if I want to use in the second line the same source (name=example) but putting a different quote?
First line of text<ref name=example>{{cite web|quote="this is my first quote"}}</ref>;
Second line of text<ref name=example />; When the user puts the cursor here, I would like to show them the same source but with a different quote like "This is my second quote" and not "this is my first quote".--Mhorg (talk) 11:38, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
@Mhorg: The documentation doesn't seem to suggest this is possible. If you really want to go this route it seems you'd have to consider it as two separate references. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 11:58, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
I have always believed that |qoute= should go away because it prevents the use of <ref name="<name>" /> just as you describe, and because quotations in §References are just so much clutter. If a quotation is important to the article, put the quotation in the article body, or in a separate §Notes section, and then cite it.
Trappist the monk (talk) 12:02, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
@Mhorg: take a look at Children's Village (New York). You could do something like what I did in that article. You could put the quotations in a separate section like I did with the explanatory notes, then have the actual reference in a separate citations section. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 15:52, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

name question: Shamita Das and Shamita Das Dasgupta[edit]

I just finished a page for Shamita Das who is a seismologist. Wikipedia also has a page for Shamita Das Dasgupta who is a scholar and activist. I am not certain how to handle the disambiguation needed to separate these two names. I think I know how to made a disambiguation page, but I am not sure of the culturally correct way to separate these names. Any thoughts, or places I can access to find some help here?--DaffodilOcean (talk) 12:42, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Have you looked at Template:Distinguish? - David Biddulph (talk) 13:34, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
That would be simple enough. As long as this works given that 'Das' is used in the middle of one name at the end of the other. Thanks for the help. --DaffodilOcean (talk) 13:55, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Underage vs. Child--[edit]


I recently attempted to edit a page that referred to the victim of Victor Salva (a crime he was convicted of) as an underage actor. I changed it to child, but the bot swapped it back. I would like to know why. The victim was 12, which is a child. How is that "biased"? I also referred to the incident in my edit as an assault, rather than an "encounter", which was also changed by the bot. I just want clarification on why this language was changed or found unacceptable.

Here is the page I attempted to edit

13:46, 16 June 2021 (UTC)13:46, 16 June 2021 (UTC)Harri239 (talk) 13:46, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

You may have less chance of being reverted if you use an edit summary to explain your edit. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:49, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
You also made changes to the title of a cited article, which is improper. And we try to avoid parentheticals in general as they just distract from the text. ‡ El cid, el campeador talk 14:47, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

How to contact grievance officer in india[edit]

There are several wikipedia sites that contain blatant racist stereotypes on indians that are illegal and used for fomenting violence in india.

Also a large content on Indian history is replete with falsehoods and propaganda that is causing communal disharmony in india.

I would like to know how I can seek redress and correct these. How can I contact a compliance officer in india regarding these to seek remedial action.

What do you mean by "Wikipedia sites"? Articles on English-language Wikipedia, or something else? Can you give an example? Maproom (talk) 14:41, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
Perhaps this article can give you some inspiration: Govt orders Wikipedia to remove link showing incorrect map of India, says sources. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:01, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

How to report vandalism of a Wikipedia Page[edit]

We have just discovered our company Wikipedia page had been maliciously vandalised, we have a pretty good idea by who and it is obvious slander. How can we report this and ensure the user is blocked?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ukguardians (talkcontribs) 16:40, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

@Ukguardians: Please tell the name of the page. Is it Association_for_the_Education_and_Guardianship_of_International_Students? It looks like you already removed some problematic text added by an IP editor some time ago. RudolfRed (talk) 16:54, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
If you are affiliated with that group, you need to follow WP:COI and WP:PAID, and accounts cannot be shared. RudolfRed (talk) 16:58, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
As vandalism goes, it's pretty mild, and it happened two months ago. We wouldn't block anybody for one edit short of gross vandalism or defamation, and after two months it's now pointless. Please be aware that you have a conflict of interest, and that your edit, while justifiably removing the IP's commentary, put in text that is promotional-sounding. We don't mind you removing something inappropriate, but please take the time to read the guidance for editors with a conflict of interest, and please be aware that shared accounts are not allowed. Acroterion (talk) 17:01, 16 June 2021 (UTC)


In the infobox for the article on Geneva, I wanted to make the "mayor_party" link to the actual party, the Green Party of Switzerland, but somehow this has been predefined (or elsewhere defined) to link to the article List of political parties in Switzerland. Double-bracketing the party's name doesn't help either, because it messes up the format. I couldn't find anything in the Template:Infobox Switzerland municipality or in its source. The same problem exists in Bern's infobox (though that party doesn't have an article on en.wp, only on French and German Wikipedia). Articles of cities, such as Zurich or Neuchâtel, with mayors belonging to parties represented in the federal council appear to get redirected to the right article, even changing the displayed name to a multilingual version, such as SPS/PSS or FDP/PRD/PLR in those articles. Where is this defined, and how can I bypass it or appeal for circumvention? Thanks in advance! ---Sluzzelin talk 19:32, 16 June 2021 (UTC)