Wikipedia:Help desk/Archive 24

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Contribution Count[edit]

Is there any way to find out the exact number of contributions I have made without counting them all up?
Thanks, Alex 03:32, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

Go to your userpage at User:Gyre and click on "user contributions" then count how many pages there are at 50/100/200/etc. per page. Or find something called "Kate's tool" I think it's called. The tool will tell you exactly but I don't remember where to find it. Dismas 04:14, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Kate's Tool. Editcountitis may be fatal. -- Cyrius| 04:19, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Excellent, thanks a lot. Alex 18:05, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

Copyright violation[edit]

I've studied your Votes for Deletion policy, and I haven't found a good way to figure out your practices without looking disruptive. Five Live Sports Extra quotes from the BBC website it references, but is that a copyright violation even though the BBC is associated with the British government? If not, the article reads like promotional hype anyway. Art LaPella 04:24, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

Nice catch. Works of the British government are under copyright, the BBC quite certainly so. When you spot something like this, replace the article text with {{copyvio|url=<url>}} and add it to the list at Wikipedia:Copyright problems. -- Cyrius| 04:46, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
  • If you have trouble learning about our VFD policies without looking disruptive, asking about it here is the best thing you can do. - Mgm|(talk) 08:46, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

global change[edit]

A search shows many uses of "per cent" when "percent" is meant (11 pages). Is there a way to replace all of these without having to manually find and edit each article in the search results? Bubba73 05:09, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, I can't help with your question, but I'm curious just how wrong "per cent" actually is. I've always considered it to be analogous to "can not"—it can be contracted into "cannot", but it doesn't have to be. Then again, the only times I've ever used "per cent" have been cases where I wanted to indicate the "for each hundred" meaning instead of the generic "fractional" meaning. Perhaps some would find that confusing. :)HorsePunchKid 05:47, July 20, 2005 (UTC)
AFAIK, "per cent" is a UKism, like flavor vs flavour and color vs colour. Fallstorm 06:40, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
The Times (British) style guide states that per cent is two words. Chambers English Dictionary 2003 does not recognise percent as a word, though percentage is blessed. So this may be a US/UK English difference. Thank goodness we don't have global change. Suggestion: before correcting this, examine the article to see whether it has adopted UK or US spelling. If you can't find any other word that is spelled differently, the presence of per cent therefore defines it as an article in UK English and should be left. See also [1] Notinasnaid 08:10, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
It must be which side of the Atlantic you're on. I checked two paper dictionaries, and they say "percent". Furthermore the chicago Manual of Style says "percent", and that is what I was going by. Yesterday I changed it in one article I was working on, I don't remember any other UK versions of words in it. Bubba73 15:33, July 20, 2005 (UTC)
Given that it is directly derived from the Latin "per centum" ("through [each] hundred"), the most correct would be "per cent.". As a Britisher, I agree that "per cent" is used most often over here. smoddy 15:40, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
PS - the one I changes was Heat index. The article mainly uses degrees F instead of C and it mentions so geographic places in the US, so I think it should be percent in that article, and I'm not going to search for others to change. the issue is briefly mentioned in Percentage. Bubba73 15:50, July 20, 2005 (UTC)
Just two small points. Firstly, Farenheit is an Imperial measure in origin - so don't take it as solely American. Secondly, it would have been entirely neutral to put it in as "%", given as that was what the rest of the article contained and it came directly after a number. I wouldn't worry too much about it though... smoddy 15:56, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

veracity of information from this website[edit]

Hi! I'm a new user, how can i be assured that the information i get from this website are correct since they can be edited by anyone? how can i be sure that the definitions and descriptions are correct? do you have staff to check what other people are inputing? what if somebody published an article or edited a page, but he's not quite sure about the facts on that certain issue, or somebody just made a joke on something? thanks.

See Wikipedia:Common objections - please speak up if that is not sufficient to explain this... JesseW 06:35, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Edits are also patrolled by a core of regular contributors who try to catch out as much of the nonsense, vandalism and jokes as they can. - Mgm|(talk) 08:49, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

personal sandbox for development purposes[edit]

It says in the sandbox that it is possible to create a personal sandbox for development purposes on a subpage of a users page. I have looked around the help pages and don't seem to be able to find anything to help with this.

Is this correct?

If so, exactly how to I do create a personal subpage sandbox?

bobg1756 10:50, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

  • Yes, you can create subpages in your userspace like User:Bobg1756/Sandbox. Don't forget to link them on User:Bobg1756, otherwise you might lose track of the subpages you've made. - Mgm|(talk) 11:01, July 20, 2005 (UTC)
  • But you shouldn't forget the "User:" in front of the link - you created that sandbox in the main namespace. I have moved it and fixed the link on your userpage accordingly. andy 16:01, 20 July 2005 (UTC)


I'm not certain what question your asking, but if you are wanting to know something about Diabetes that is not covered in our article on the subject, then please ask at the Reference desk. Make sure that you make your question clear otherwise it will be much harder for anyone to help you. Thryduulf 13:20, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Adaptions section vs. Disambiguation on The Dead Zone[edit]

The_Dead_Zone has a section on adaptions, linking to movie/TV adaptions of the book. As these are articles in their own right, I wondered if in fact it should be a disambiguation page. I raised this on the talk page but nobody has responded. Can anyone help? Insomniacity 10:15, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

  • Apart from the fact they are adaptations (check the spelling), I'd say you should keep them in a section, until there's enough material for a full article before splitting it in a new article and using a disambiguation. - Mgm|(talk) 10:59, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

make program available for download?[edit]

I've written a free Windows program to calculate the heat index and dew point (articles which I edited yesterday). Is there a way I can make it available for download (I don't have any external link to make it available at the present.) Bubba73 16:04, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

Well, if you sign up to a free webspace host (such as Geocities) they will let you upload files up to a certain file size. I presume the file is not all that large. If it is large, let me know on here, and I'll host it on my webspace for you. Cheers, smoddy 16:09, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
It is 688KB. My ISP provides the hosting service, but I've never bitten the bullet to find out how to do it. I really should do it that way. Thanks for your offer. Bubba73 17:17, July 20, 2005 (UTC)
PS In fact my wife sometimes teaches a class in how to do it. She's done 2 in the last 2 weeks. Maybe she can teach me, so that's what I'm going to try. Bubba73 21:52, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

Possible vandalism?[edit]

I was looking at the LiveJournal article the other day and realized two schmucks decided they were notable enough to add themslelves to the notable users section. Neither are notable, so I removed then and added an explanation to the article's talk page. One has since reappeared as a "Super Mario Expert", previously a "humorist". The edits are both by anons, but I'm not sure if this counts as vandalism and/or what to do about it. Could someone take a look at it? Fallstorm 16:52, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Sounds like vanity-motivated vandalism to me. Delete mercilessly... Shimgray 16:57, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
I'd call it "vaindalism", but I think the extra i is too subtle. That, and it's lame. -- Cyrius| 20:14, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Image problem[edit]


Today I decided to try to get a picture of Slovenian prime minister Janez Janša (you can find him by simply typing his name in search box). As free (not copyrighted) high-quality images are hard to get, I first looked at the article of Janez Janša in other languages. I tried German version and it had a nice picture of him (with permissions for uploading and everything), so I decided to go with that. I clicked on the picture and the filename was Jansa2.jpg. Since I thought the image is already uploaded, I tried simply to edit the english version by putting the command

Janez Janša

for displaying images somewhere in the text. But after I saved the changes, nothing was there! (I mean, no picture, just an empty thumb with Janez Janša written below it). Just like on the right of this text!

Why is that? I thought once you upload the image (before putting it in the article) you can use it in all languages.

Please help!


I'm afraid that isn't so. Each wikipedia has its own set of images, and an image on another one can't automatically be used on this one. If the image is on Wikimedia Commons then it is availabe to all the wikimedia projects. You will need to download the image from the German wikipedia and re-uplaod it either to the english wikipedia or to commons. Note that commons requires you to be logged in to commons, with an account on that project, to upload. Note also that the copyright policies at each wiki are a bit different, check that the image actually is GFDL, not just "upload permission" or that it otherwise fits the policy where you upload it. (Commons does not allow Fair use images, for example, while the english wikipedia does.) I hope that helps. DES 19:22, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

It does. Thank you very much!



I want to look at the archives of the help desk, they seem to have disapear. How do I get to them?--Anti-Anonymex2Come to my page! 20:03, 20 July 2005 (UTC)


A page already exisits titled "Manny Fernandez." The article discusses the wrestler. I would like to create a page on Manny Fernandez, NHL goaltender. How do I do this?

Thanks, --Ckost

See Wikipedia:Disambiguation for details. In general there are are a couple of choices. You can just add the second articel to the same page, seperated by a horizontal line (which you make with four hyphens). This is a good method if both articles are fairly short. Or you can create a seperate page Manny Fernandez (Hockey player) or some similar name, and then a Manny Fernandez (disambiguation) page that links to both pages. This is more complex, but a good idea if the separate articels are long enough (say if they take up much more than a screen combined). Again, read Wikipedia:Disambiguation before you do thsi. DES 20:41, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Go to Manny Fernandez. I've created a disabiguation page to help you. Just click on the red link. Howabout1 Talk to me! 20:37, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

Origin of Wikipedia name[edit]

How did you arrive at Wikipedia for your name?

It's all explained on the page for Wikipedia. Let us know if you have any questions that the article doesn't answer. Dismas 21:15, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
It's quite simple. It's a wiki and an encyclopedia. So Wikipedia. You could read history of Wikipedia too. --Dmcdevit·t 21:19, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

triplicate contribution[edit]

I have inadvertently inputted three same/similar versions of my contribution to a section titled, 'Rod of the Seasons' and all three of them are listed in my 'contributions' log. How can I delete two of them? (posted by Beadtot)

You can't, but you also don't need to worry about it. Your contribution log is maintained automatically and cannot be edited, but no-one will find multiple contributions to an article in a short time period to be particularly odd. You can find lots of those in mine; it's easy to miss small errors while previewing. — mendel 02:18, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

IP ban possible?[edit]

Alright someone with the IP of '' posted a VERY inapropriate site for the Wikipedia entry Hamumu, removing a big chunk of important info (I fixed it back to the way it was before that 'vandalizem'...Or at least to a point where no info was lost). I was wondering what could be done about it... (This is a serious issue because kids less then TEN could have seen it [There is a Wikipedia link to the Hamumu site and a link on the Hamumu site going to the article on the wikipedia site]) I was wondering if it could either be removed from the history, or something... --Drgamer

Ah, yes, that site. Normally we give vandals several warnings, but that one is particularly horrid, so I've blocked him for 24 hours. In future, you can report such vandalism at WP:VIP. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 22:42, July 20, 2005 (UTC)
Note that Wikipedia is not censored for the protection of minors. That a site might be inappropriate fo children is not a reason for unlinking it. If this change is spam promotion, that is a good reason to remove the links, but what children might see is NOT! DES 23:04, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
Having looked at the edits involved, i see that the link is pure vandalism and has no relation to the articel, and thus is properly removed. DES 23:09, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
Note, incidentally, that the site in question is linked from List of shock sites, which is perfectly reasonable. It's a vertiable Pandora's box of links I wish I hadn't clicked :) -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 23:16, July 20, 2005 (UTC)
Vandalism that is currently happening can also be reported at Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism; AIAV is much quicker at stopping vandals, but only if they are currently vandalizing the site (i.e. they are making edits at the time the alert is posted). -- Essjay · Talk 16:08, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

"Ilona Feher" article[edit]

Two comments appear in the page:

1. Merge. I discussed why it should be kept separately. 2. Wikified. I do not understand reason and do not know what action to take.

Please advise.



  • Wikify means an article needs to be formatted better and links to other articles added. You should discuss such issues on the article talk page. Elfguy 23:50, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Wikify: To format using Wiki markup (as opposed to plain text or HTML) and add internal links to material, incorporating it into the whole of Wikipedia. Noun: Wikification. Sometimes abbreviated wfy. See also: Wikipedia:Guide to layout for more. --Dmcdevit·t 00:17, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

Learned Hand[edit]

I had heard a long time ago that the actor, Peter Strauss, ("Rich Man, Poor Man") is a relative of Learned Hand. Can that be verified, or refuted?


Barnstar question[edit]

I would like to know whether I can award two other Wikipedians barnstars. It was my assumption that I could, but I can't figure out what the instructions are. I tried to click on the image of the star to copy it to my IE 6.0 clipboard. I try to click on it and copy it, as I think the instructions say. However, then I wind up going to its subpage, and not getting the .jpg to paste onto someone's page.

Does this mean that I am not privileged to give a barnstar, or simply that I don't understand? Robert McClenon 01:58, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

No. It is confusing. Anyone can give a barnstar. Copy [[Image:barnstar.jpg|thumb|right|Caption]]. Howabout1 Talk to me! 02:11, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

I tried inserting exactly that Wiki markup, and nothing appears but the caption.

Robert McClenon 15:53, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Wrong filename, try this [[Image:Barnstar.png|frame|Caption]]. MeltBanana 16:02, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

After considerable effort, I succeeded. Thank you to those who answered, as well as to those to whom I gave the barnstars. Robert McClenon

I cannot find my login information[edit]

I can't seem to get in using any of my usual combinations! Can someone help me? Alex Jackl

If you supplied an email address when you signed up, you can get the password emailed to you; otherwise, I'm not sure we'd be able to help. Good luck, Meelar (talk) 04:51, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

Hello. Josh[edit]

Helllo i wanted to know if you could make a momentary eletric Switch Timer That will make it soo it can trun on and off every 4 seconds or 3 or 5 or you can set it to what ever seconds u wanted no more then 20 seconds or whatever seconds you wanted that can work with batties or you can plug it in the wall or somthing that i can hook it to one wire.

And how much it will cost me for you to make me some

Plz Email me back at

THank you!

Sorry, I don't know what idea you had but this is an encyclopedia. Read more about us here, Wikipedia. --Dmcdevit·t 05:50, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

The Ashes[edit]

I'm not too sure where to direct my complaint, so this is a good a place as any to start. I am a newbie, I should add. The link to the featured article "The Ashes" brings up a rather interesting portrait of someones tonsiles viewed through their rectum. I would appreciate it if someone could have a look at how this has happened and to rectify it asap. I last viewed the link at 1500hrs Australian Eastern Standard Time.


It was vandalism by Shnep and was recitfied within a couple of minutes of being posted (I've now blocked him). →Raul654 05:17, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

Change User Name[edit]

How do u change your user name? Michael Johan 08:56, 21 July 2005 (UTC)---djlethal109---08:56, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

  • You can't. You can however create a new account. Elfguy 12:22, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

WHOA! Yes you can, Wikipedia:Changing usernames. These requests are being filled. -- Essjay · Talk 16:05, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

famous writer[edit]

I'm looking for a famous British writer who was one of the founders of a footballclub currently playing in the Premiership.

Can you please help me out?

Marco Loef Arnhem The Netherlands (

waarom stel je die vraag niet aan een brief in de VI? :-D

Although factual questions on non-Wiki related topics should be asked at the Reference desk, and although you could have found the answer yourself with just a little googling (first search result, even!), I'll answer your question: Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. Lupo 10:12, July 21, 2005 (UTC)


what is 2 to the power of 19?

524288. Why? smoddy 12:14, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
which is two multiplied by itself 19 times, the way "power of" (exponentiation) is defined in mathematics. Lupo 12:19, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

Problem redirecting a page[edit]

The article All tomorrow's parties was originally a redirect to Bridge trilogy. However, it could also refer to other articles, so I tried to redirect it to All Tomorrow's Parties, a disambiguation page. However, instead of redirecting, all that appears is "1. REDIRECT All Tomorrow's Parties". I checked several times, and the code seems fine. I tried to get in back to the Bridge trilogy redirect, but it gives the 1. REDIRECT again. --Xen0phile 13:01, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

  • It seems fixed now. Elfguy 13:23, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Just for future reference, the difference was in the use of the apostrophe; see here. -- Essjay · Talk 16:03, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

Change of title[edit]

I changed the identification of a photograph of Ascopyyllum nodosum to Ascophyllum nodosum from Fucus vesiculosus but could not change the title. Sorry if I should not have changed this at all! The systemis very complicated (to me)! Osborne Morton.

  • To change the name of an article you can click on the Move tab on the top. Elfguy 13:21, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
  • You can't move images. Simply upload it under the correct name, fix the links and and request speedy deletion of the old one. Simply put {{db|your reason}} on the old image and don't forget to mention its new location. - Mgm|(talk) 14:56, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

medical research proposal[edit]

  • This isn't an advertisement board. Elfguy 15:09, 21 July 2005 (UTC)


(moved to the reference desk) -- Mgm|(talk) 14:57, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

I don't mean to start a discussion here, I should probably say this on the talk page, but "Good work, Mgm" for moving the question, whatever it was. I see a lot of these "factual questions should..." notes on here (not picking on Elfguy, a lot of editors do it) and perhaps we should have a policy of "don't say move, just move it" similar to the "don't put a cleanup tag on an article if you can clean it up easily yourself." Actually, I think I will put it on the talk page. -- Essjay · Talk 15:59, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

Tammany Hall[edit]

I apologize for making an erroneous edit to the Tammany Hall page on July 20 2005 by adding the word "Dogfood". I didn't realize that anyone could actually edit your pages instantaneously. I have since read your faq's and now understand how your site works. Please find it in your hearts to forgive me.

  • You are forgotten.. I mean forgiven! Elfguy 15:10, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
  • We appreciate the honesty. I hope you'd like to stay around. Please consider registering or if you already did to sign your post with four tildes like this "~~~~". -- Mgm|(talk) 15:32, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

Edit Conflict[edit]

I'm trying to edit Chad Cordero in Wikipedia. I got an edit conflict when I tried to save the page, but the history shows that the last edit was on July 7. I've tried logging out, clearing my browser cookies, and logging back in again, but I still get the same error. ("Someone else has changed this page since you started editing it.") Win777 15:21, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

  • Oh sure... After I edited this page, I can edit again. Resolved. Thanks. Win777 15:23, 21 July 2005 (UTC)


Problem with articles (concerning dates)[edit]

In the article about Carmine Galante it says "Joseph Bannano died of natural causes" in the 1960s so then Philip Rastelli would take over his position. However, the article for Bannono states he died in 2002 which wouldn't make sense because he would still be alive in the 1960s.

That is an inconsistancy, all right. One of these must be incorrect, unless there are two different people both named "Joseph Bonnano" involved in mifia activity -- which might well be the case, one a son or other relative of the other. (And in that case the articles are incorrectly linked, since the liks imply that these are the same person.) Someone needs to consult proper reference sources, determins what the correct facts are, and edit one or both of these articles so that they are consistant and accurate. You might be able to do this if you chose. DES 16:30, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
I added a note about the inconsistancy to the talk pages of the two articles. DES 16:37, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
The Bonnano family page notes he had a heart attack in '68 and retired - I'm not going to correct the articles, as this is just a guess, but I suspect an editor misinterpreted that event as "he had a heart attack in '68 and died". Shimgray 17:28, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

How to edit my signature[edit]

How do I edit my signature so that, with four tildes, I can have my talk page link displayed like Mgm and Essjay? --Xen0phile 16:27, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Special:Preferences. The same link is at the top of the screen, labelled "Preferences". smoddy 16:30, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Put Mgm]]|[[User talk:MacGyverMagic|<sup>(talk)</sup> in the nickname field in your signature in preferences on the top of the screen. If you leave the raw signature field unchecked it'll automatically add [[User:<Your Username> to the front and ]] to the back of that code. - Mgm|(talk) 17:15, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

Testing ... I could not find "sgnature" in User data, Editing, Misc. etc. then I hit on "nickname" as where you might be referring to. Then when I got back here, I see you said it all along & it not get into my brain ... thanks, it is working for me now.AlMac|(talk) 17:38, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Can't revert eminem page to remove vandalism[edit]

Can somebody fix the vandalism on the Eminem page. I've tried reverting it but it doesn't seem to work for me.


I have reverted it to an edit yesterday, which should be clean. Cheers, smoddy 16:32, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Where should this concern go?[edit]

The other day I noticed an anon user had edited the article for Gwyneth Paltrow so I checked out what the edit was. They had wiki linked Apple Blythe Alison Martin who is G.P.'s baby daughter. I thought it odd that the kid has their own page and looked at it to see if anything was notable. I can see having a page for the kid if they get into acting or whatever but that may be a few years down the road, after all, it's not like the Olsen twins. I'm not really sure I would vote delete if the matter came up for VfD but I wanted to get other people's opinions. I checked out the Wikipedia:Requests for comment page but it says that it should be used if there's a dissagreement. I'm just looking for opinions where there isn't an argument though. And posting on the kid's talk page wouldn't really accomplish anything since the audience is so limited. So where should I take my request for comment? Dismas 16:40, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

I agree that this is inappropriate. Duly, I have redirected the daughter article to the mother's. Cheers, smoddy 16:45, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
That'll work, thanks! Dismas 17:16, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Strikeout problem[edit]

Someone tried to strike out an entry on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Albus Dumbledore and got the closing tag wrong. the rest of the page was struck out. i fixed the tag, and it looks fine on that subb-page. But on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Log/2005 July 21 everyhting after the relevant entry is still struck out. i trued refresshing my cache, and redoing the edit, nothing seems to help. advice? DES 18:24, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Looks fine from here. Shimgray 18:44, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
Wikipedia-side caching. -- Cyrius| 19:13, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Would this image be considered fair use?[edit]

I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask. Apologies if not. I'd like to add this [2] image to a MTG article; I'm not sure, however, if that'd be considered fair use. (BTW, it doesn't have to be this particular image. Any image of the card would do.) --Endersdouble 19:52, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

I'm not completely sure, but read Wikipedia:Fair use and see if that helps. Alex 20:01, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
If we can fairuse album covers and such, why not cards? -- Essjay · Talk 20:45, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
Well, it seems to be the whole of a piece of artwork. As I understand the justification for album covers and such (which seems tenuous if you're the artist) it is just a representation of a part of the work. On the other hand, if the work is the entire pack, and the card a representation, that could be another story. If the plan was to potentially add each card to its own article I don't see that could be fair use. But I'm not a lawyer. Notinasnaid 21:26, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Converting Diesel Engine from fossil fuel to veggie oil[edit]

Moved to Wikipedia:Reference_desk#Converting Diesel Engine from fossil fuel to veggie oil DES 22:20, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Displaying user contributions by namespace[edit]

I've noticed that since the MediaWiki upgrade I haven't been able to display user contributions listed by namespace. There used to be a drop-down box at the top of the Special:Contributions/TenOfAllTrades page that would let me see only edits for a specific namespace: Wikipedia:, Talk:, User:, etc.

I haven't made any changes to my skin or preferences that should affect this (I'm using the default monobook.css); does anybody have any ideas? (My apologies if this went past on WP:AN while I wasn't looking.) TenOfAllTrades(talk) 22:29, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

I asked this a while ago. I went to the pump, but I didn't save for some reason, or noone replied. I really want that back. Howabout1 Talk to me!|Vote on my RfA! 23:06, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

It was removed because, in Brion VIBBER's words, it was "unfriendly to the database". And we all want to be friends with the database. smoddy 23:09, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
Fair enough. The database needs all the TLC it can get. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 23:10, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
Bad database! I'm not it's friend any more. *sulks*:) Howabout1 Talk to me!|Vote on my RfA! 23:13, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
See bugzilla:2686 -- there's 42 votes for this bug, so you're not the only one who misses it. I hope someone will be able to come up with a friendly solution for it. If you're just looking for numbers, see Kate's tool. — Catherine\talk 23:30, 21 July 2005 (UTC)


I am trying to find information on what causes a birth defect called gastroschisis. Can you help me?

What is EN-3?[edit]

What En-3 En-2, etc all means? Where can I find more information?

See wikipedia:babel. It just means what language you speak. Howabout1 Talk to me!|Vote on my RfA! 00:27, July 22, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, Howabout.

Current events ?[edit]

If an article becomes the subject of Current Events, what template do I put on it to indicate that it is the subject of Current Events and is subject to frequent change? Robert McClenon 02:54, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

{{current}}. Howabout1 Talk to me!|Vote on my RfA! 03:02, July 22, 2005 (UTC)


sometimes internet links will not open

Deleted Articles IV[edit]

How can I see deleted articles and move them to another site?--Anti-Anonymex2]]Come to my page!> 20:46, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Only admins can view deleted articles. To request an article be undeleted, you have to go to WP:VFU. --Dmcdevit·t 04:43, July 22, 2005 (UTC)
Generally, if the article was legal for Wikipedia to host, (but was deleted for being non-notable or not encyclopedic or spam or some such reason) a polite request on VFU for a temporary copy for the purposes of moving to another site is generally willing agreed to. (At least, last I remember.) JesseW 22:12, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

LaTeX math envinronment and AMS style package[edit]

Hi! I have noticed Wikipedia has many great mathematics pages. Many mathematicians use LaTeX for math documentation. I know that Wikipedia currently offers simple LaTeX-like math equation editing such as .

However, would it be possible to provide a fuller LaTeX math environment in Wikipedia?

For example, would it be possible to support the LaTeX {\eqnarray*} environment? This would allow multiline equations that are properly aligned. Example (LaTeX syntax): Failed to parse (syntax error): {\displaystyle \begin{eqnarray*} f(x) &=& a+b \\&=& a+\frac{d}{e} \\&=& \sum_{n=0}^N \frac{x^n}{n!} \end{eqnarray*} }

Moreover, many mathematicians use the LaTeX "style" package provided by AMS (American Mathematical Soceity}:


This allows for powerful multiline expressions as well as special math fonts; very powerful.

I think it may not require an experienced programmer too much effort to integrate such powerful math tools into the Wikipedia editing toolbox. There is a GNU liscensed program latex2html that I believe should convert equations to gif files which can then be inserted into the Wikipedia html. Having these tools available would allow mathemticians to present more complete and readable proofs for more advanced topics.

Thank you for a great web site! ^___^ It is my browser's home page.

weird content[edit]

when i was looking for info on the peltier effect i stumbled across some weird graphic content on this page

It had been vandalised, and was corrected within four minutes sometime yesterday, according to the page history. It seems you caught it during just the wrong window; perhaps a local caching issue? Anyway, gone now. Shimgray 08:40, 22 July 2005 (UTC)


I have a number of files written while at college which I would like to contribute, where and how do I attach them?

  • What kind of files are they. What are they about and what style/form are they written in? - Mgm|(talk) 10:11, July 22, 2005 (UTC)
  • Generally you wouldn't attach them, you would use them to create or edit articles. Probably they wouldn't fit exactly as written, at the very ;east you would need to insert appropriate wikilinks. Wikipedia articels should be written from a neutral point of view and it seems unlikely that these are. If not they would need to be rewritten. What I would advise is that you find relevant articles, and edit them in the normalk way, using your old files as sources of refrence materiel, or as a place to cut and paste text from IF it seems appropriate. First read the general guidelines about creating and editing articles -- they will all apply. DES 14:57, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Attachments 2[edit]

Hi, Mike Cunningham, I have a number of articles that may be of use in the form of files written whilst at college,how do I attach them for submission? A big thanks to anyone who can help!!

  • Who is Mike Cunningham? - Mgm|(talk) 11:24, July 22, 2005 (UTC)
    Perhaps the author of the question? Anyways, in response to the question: if you think that you can improve any article, be bold, click "edit this page", and improve it. We would appreciate all your contributions! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 17:24, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Commons and Wikipedia[edit]

I recently uploaded Image:0of5.png into Commons and saw the same image page on Wikipedia. If you see the second link, you can notice that it's a bit messed up (if not alot). Anyway to link Commons object using [[commons:_]] kinda thing? Maybe a bug on the MediaWiki. Thanks, -- WB 10:13, July 22, 2005 (UTC)

That bug has been reported: bugzilla:2726.--Patrick 14:44, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Animal names[edit]

The word 'cotsmondes, turned up in an old document (1865 vintage) amongst names of other animals.No trace found in dictionaries including yours. Eventually it was discovered to be an archaic form of 'coatmondi' often abbreviated to 'coati' and meaning a specices of small carnivorous animal similar to a raccoon. Ciaow

Press packs[edit]

If a band releases a "press pack" on its website, can we use those photos as long as we credit the photographer? Never uploaded a pic so I've never dealt with the copyright stuff. Dismas 14:43, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

If an image is distributed as a promotional image, as most "publicity" photos are, it is presumed that the person or orgianization (such as the band) is consenting to its use in any article about the subject of the photo, and thus it is considered to be a form of fair use. The image tag {{Promotional}} is used in such cases, it expands to:
This is a copyrighted image that has been released by a company or organisation to promote their works in the media. It is believed either that the copyright holder has granted permission for use in works like Wikipedia or that the image may be used under the fair use provision of United States copyright law. See Copyrights.
For more on image tags, see WP:ICT, for more on image copyright generally see Wikipedia:Copyrights and in particular Wikipedia:Copyrights#Fair use materials and special requirements. DES 14:50, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
Oh I should mention, that of course the photographer should be credited, and the source of the image mentiond, both should be done on the image description page. DES 14:52, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
Thanks! The image is now up at The Bacon Brothers. Dismas 15:00, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

google and wikipedia[edit]

I wrote this article, on the topic of KTV, a couple of weeks ago.

I am just at a loss to explain why it is not ranked by google yet. The long standing karaoke page:

has a link to my KTV article on it. This karaoke page was scanned by google on 21st July - we can see this by looking at the date for this article in the google cache.

So, I would have thought that when google scanned this page on 21st July it would have picked up the KTV link on this page and then incorporated the KTV article into its index. But, this is not the case. I just cannot think why. Do you think that it is maybe because of the formatting of the url for the KTV page:

It has these % symbols in it which maybe google "doesn't like"?

Would be v.grateful if anyone can give me a bit of insight.

Google's scanning and ranking process is largely a mystery, and it's not something we can control. The page will be linked eventually, when Google feels like it. I suspect that inbound links (from other websites) make a wikipedia page more likely to be crawled, and subsequently more frequently. But only Google knows for sure, and they ain't saying. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 15:26, July 22, 2005 (UTC)
Although Google is a mystery, the general way that spiders (programs like Google) work is to visit all the pages that they know about, checking all the links. If a link is found, the page isn't visited right away, but added to a "to be visited" list. When it has finished its current sweep, then it will probably visit those pages. Notinasnaid 17:35, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

pandurang shastri athavale[edit]

i searched for the person "Pandurang shastri athavale". apparantly this page is a stub. i know this person well as i am part of his group. can i prepare a proper article on him. also for some odd reasons after i've pasted my work it seems to be reverted back to what was originally there which i deleted to make a fresh start.

The text included is directly from this website. Thus, Wikipedia cannot include it. In addition, it is heavily biased. Cheers, smoddy 17:32, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
The article Pandurang Shastri Athavale seems to have a soemwhat complicated history, including some vandalism. You should certianly feel free to edit this to expand or correct the existing article. However it is not a good idea to just "delete to make a fresh start" and please remeber that whatever you post is subject to editing by others. If you don't want you work edited freely, don't submit it to wikipedia. Also you must not copy work form other sources that might by subject to copyright, and you must write from a neutral point of view, not biased for or against the subject of the article. DES 17:35, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
As someone who was involved in this, I might give some background on this. The first time I stumbled on this page, it contained a piece of text that was probably a copyvio and heavily biased. I reverted it to the last good version (a short stub). Then somebody wrote a rather good (if still a bit short) article on it, but it was then replaced by another piece of very biased text. I reverted to the good article, and this time it was replaced by a very long text which was again a biased copyvio. Next time I reverted, the response was deleting most of the text on the page. I reverted, and now the article has been cut again, but at least there's something put back there.
Now, I believe that all these edits were made by the same person (from a different IP address), as there's definitely a pattern there. It might be the same as the anonymous user who started this thread, but then again, it might not... :) - ulayiti 19:18, 22 July 2005 (UTC)


Hello! I've been uploading some pictures I took recently, and I'm a bit confused regarding what tag I should place on them. I've read through all the Image Tags, the image help pages, and nothing explicitly tells me what tag to put. In addition, is there a place where I can list one of my images to be "cleaned up"? Thanks a lot! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 18:22, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Which images in particular? -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 18:26, July 22, 2005 (UTC)
Check my upload log. Pics of images around Stony Brook University: Wang Center, Staller, etc. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 18:40, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
  • It depends on the copyright of the image. If you took it and want to release it in the public domain, just say so in the description. If it's a copyrighted image and you're using under fair use, put {{fairuse}} and so on. Also I'm not sure how an image could be cleaned up. Elfguy 18:27, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
So that's all I have to do? If I want to release the pics to the public (i.e. I don't mind them being reproduced, etc.), do I have to add a specific tag? Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 18:40, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
Really, it depends how you want them released. What do you want people to be able to do with them? I've glanced at your upload log - one thing, please don't tag your own images fair use, I'm reasonably sure that's not a useful way to go about it. (It's not a license; it's a defence for not having one) Shimgray 18:30, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
So what should I tag them with if I want to release them? {{GFDL}}? {{PD}}? Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 18:40, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 18:40, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

The full list of image copyright tags is at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags. For your own work, might I recommend {{GFDL-self}} or {{PD-self}}? They release your work under the GFDL or directly to the public domain, respectively. For new image uploads, stay away from any of the non-free licenses; those are being phased out. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 19:01, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Flcelloguy - you might want to read Wikipedia:Copyright FAQ##Licenses to get an idea of what kind of license(s) you want to release your pictures under. →Raul654 19:04, July 22, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks to everybody! I've decided to tag all my pictures with {{GFDL-self}}. Thanks once again! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 19:12, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Example article?[edit]

Is there an example article to show what a proper layout of an article should look like here somewhere? • Thorpe • 20:07, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

See the Wikipedia:Guide to layout. --Dmcdevit·t 20:26, July 22, 2005 (UTC)
  • A lot of it also depends on the topic of your article. You could see how a featured article on a similar topic has been formatted and laid out. - Mgm|(talk) 22:02, July 22, 2005 (UTC)

double check please[edit]

Having read your articles, I really found it insighful. BUT you did make a mistake. The capital of the Azores is Lisbon. NOT Angra or Ponta Delgada. Keep in mine that the major of the people from the Azores are from ponta delgada and terceira, it does not mean that those cities are the capital. Since the Azores belong to Portugual, last time I looked, the capital is Lisbon. That should be a correction to the capitals. Mine you I am from Terecira. But lets keep the facts straight.

Thank you for your suggestion! When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make whatever changes you feel are needed. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the Edit this page link at the top. You don't even need to log in! (Although there are some reasons why you might like to…) The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes—they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome.

So, I recommend that you fix the article! You might just find that it's extremely fun editing articles... happy editing! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 20:46, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

External Link - Autographs[edit]

Hello there,

Is it possible to have my web site added as an External Link on your Autographs page?

Title: URL:

Simply curious.

With warmth,

Justin Steffman

Technical problem with a page[edit]

I have been contributing to an article that is subject to a vote for deletion MrRat. I have noticed that the page being displayed for both the article itself and the vote for deletion page, look as though they have been reverted to earlier drafts. There is no mention of this in their respective history pages. Additionally the page dipslayed does NOT match the wiki content in the database (when you click to edit you get the full content). I wonder if this is a technical problem and if so can someone look into it. Thanks - Dean Marshall.

Sounds like maybe you just need to clear your cache. See Wikipedia:Bypass your cache. --Dmcdevit·t 23:42, July 22, 2005 (UTC)


The following was left on my user talk. I am directing this user here to find the answer.

Hi Sam,

Thanks for your welcome a while ago. I've been recently exploring the vote for deletion pages. I have two questions I haven't been able to find answers for (I've been poking around help pages). The first is how long does a vote for deletion vote last? The second, is there a way to find out how many times a certain page has been visited? This information might be helpful in establishing how useful a certain page is in relation to others.

If you have answers or can direct me in the appropriate direction taht would be great. I don't mind doing my own research but I just can't quite seem to find the information. Thanks! Granite T. Rock 01:54, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

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Q1: Five days. Q2: No, for all but the top few hundred articles this isn't possible. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 00:23, July 23, 2005 (UTC)


is there a certain place that has photos?

Maybe you'd be interested in Wikipedia:Featured pictures? -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 00:24, July 23, 2005 (UTC)
You might also be interested in the Wikimedia Commons. Thryduulf 00:41, 23 July 2005 (UTC)


Please refer to the image on your site at the following address:

Can you tell me how I could obtain a higher resolution version of this image so that I could download it to make a decal? (not for commercial use). Thanks,

  • It doesn't look like there is a hi-res of that image. - Mgm|(talk) 09:37, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

Knowing the userid of an emailer[edit]

If someone emails me throught the 'email a user' feature is there some way that I can tell what their Wikipedia ID is if they don't tell me? I often get emails that I don't wish to reply to directly (often complaining about being blocked) and if they don't tell me there doesn't seem to be a way of working it out? DJ Clayworth 03:44, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

It has always put the username in the 'from' field for me. -- Cyrius| 05:06, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
  • If they don't tell you their username, you can't unblock them. Tell them that and ignore them as long as they don't tell. - Mgm|(talk) 09:38, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

12-bar blues[edit]

Is there a web page that I can go to ,to hear or get an example of this type of guitar playing. I'm looking for more of a guitar demenstration.

quicktime pro 7 for windows[edit]

I'm having trouble editing and splicing movies with the pro 7 software. Is there any usable tutorial I might find on the internet. The help function already in quicktime pro 7 is not that helpful for me.

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. Since this is a factual question, please see the note at the top of this page, and good luck! Notinasnaid 07:14, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

New page not being found by 'search'[edit]

I created a new page at When I go to the search text box and type in 'women in computing' this page is not found. What did I do wrong?

Thanks, BABair

The capitalisation needs to be the same, subject to certain (complicated) criteria. I have moved the article to the correct capitalisation. See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (capitalisation). [[smoddy]] 13:15, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
See also my comments at MediaWiki talk:Nogomatch for avoiding this sort of question. Bovlb 15:22:24, 2005-07-23 (UTC)
  • Also, the search box doesn't search newly articles. They need to be indexed first. - Mgm|(talk) 15:41, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

William James Booth[edit]

Would you be able to list the above person in your encyclopedia. He is a university professor and author of books with a PH.D. he lives in Brentwood Tennessee and teaches at Vanderbilt University in Nashville Tennesse.

He can be contacted at

Carefully distinguish him from other people with similar names, like John Wilkes Booth who assassinated US President Abe Lincoln, as part of a Confederate Secret Service plot to decapitate top leadership of the Union (several other leaders assassination efforts failed at same time), except the American Civil War was over when this happened.
This is not a conspiracy theory ... see ISBN-9-780873-385152 "Confederate Covert Action in the American Civil War."

AlMac|(talk) 19:38, 23 July 2005 (UTC)


Hi. Re the image on this web site below:

I am looking for a high resolution version of this image to use for making a decal (not for commmercial use). Any idea where this image came from or who I could contact to obtain higher resolution version of it? Thanks, Robert S.

This was just asked above. Are you the same person? Howabout1 Talk to me! 15:10, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

Oh. It is the same person. You don't need to ask anything twice. Your question is still on this page. Howabout1 Talk to me! 15:11, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

Removing content from talk pages[edit]

Is this sort of an edit allowed by the Wikipedia policy? I thought only user_talk: pages could be blanked/pruned/whatever... and others must be archived. -- Paddu 16:10, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

  • Yes, article talk pages should be archived instead of pruned. - Mgm|(talk) 17:23, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

First Timer's query re: reproduction of old letter in new article[edit]

I am finishing an article about health care, specifically a history of healthcare rendered without personal (face-to-face) contact. I have termed it "in absentia health care."

I wish to include 2 old (circa 1932) letters in my article. I have obtained due written permission to reproduce these from my archival sources.

  1. Am I allowed, then, to include them?
  2. Will I provide a statement at the bottom of the images that credits the source and mentions my permission?
  3. These are images within a word document. Is this how they shoud be submitted?


  1. I believe, though IANAL, that they have to be released under the GFDL or a compatible licence. You can find an explanation at Wikipedia:Copyrights, and just ask your source to release them under this licence. However, someone else should correct me on this if I'm mistaken.
  2. Yes, you can (and should) do this on the image description page. See the answer below.
  3. They should be saved as an image file (jpeg or gif) and uploaded. See Wikipedia:Uploading images for detailed instructions.

Good luck, Meelar (talk) 16:42, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

You need not relicense the photos to use them here if that is not desired - all that is necessary is permission to use them here on the Wikipedia. Just add the {{PermissionAndFairUse}} tag to the respective talk pages (see Wikipedia:Image tags for others). --Gabriel Beecham/Kwekubo 16:52, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
"Because I want to" is not a legal qualification for fair use. -- Cyrius| 18:03, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

How to edit a Wikipedia title line?[edit]

The title of this article incorrectly contains the word COSSAR. It should be COSSOR, as confirmed by Raytheon's web site.

I have corrected the text of the article, but cannot correct the title. How do I do that please?

H. Alexander

Click the 'move' tag at the top of the page, and then enter the new title and the reason for moving. See Help:Renaming (moving) a page. --Gabriel Beecham/Kwekubo 16:52, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
Unregistered users can't move pages; I've done the move for him. Shimgray 16:54, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

what is editcountitis?[edit]

I have heard the term editcountitis referred to a few times throughout Wikipedia and I know Kate's user edit counter[[3]] displays it on the bottom of the page. What is editcountitis?

Editcountitis is the "disease" of only paying attention to edit counts. This is often referred to as Kate's tool is an important part of Requests for Adminship. It stresses that you should not concentrate on the amount of edits but rather the quality of the edits, friendliness of the user, and so forth. Hope that clears things up. Sasquatch′TC 21:13, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

Image Copyright Issue[edit]

I read the information about how to insert images and the Wikipedia Image Policy. However, I am still lost as to what type of images I may insert. For example, can I grab images from a website like ESPN and put them on my page if I say "Copyright ESPN," or do they have to be my images or images which I've gotten the creator's consent of? Thanks. --Anon

Any images you upload must be created by you, or else you must get the creator to licence them under the GFDL. Downloading images and uploading them here isn't kosher, sorry. Best wishes, Meelar (talk) 21:53, July 23, 2005 (UTC)
It might be best to read the Copyright FAQ →Raul654 21:57, July 23, 2005 (UTC)
Also, only loged in users can upload images. Please create an account. Howabout1 Talk to me! 00:00, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
Ok thanks for the help. My main problem is that I'm wanting to write about a subject that is not really "widespread" (yet), which is why I'm adding it (as opposed to editing) to the Wikipedia. However, because it is not a large entertprise (which is not near here), there is literally no way for me to get pictures other than websites. Do you have any suggestions? Thanks again. --anon
Your basic starting point should be "almost all photos are copyright and I can't use them, so most articles won't be illustrated." The copyright laws don't change because they are inconvenient, unfortunately, or because your intentions are good. If you can make your own photographs and release them into the public domain, that's great, and if you can persuade others to do that, it's great too (how are your powers of persuasion?); but you can't expect others – especially people who make a living by taking or selling photos – to do it for you. Above all, don't try to bend the rules because a picture seems important – Wikipedia mustn't get stuck in legal challenges. Notinasnaid 08:44, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
Well not to sound rude, but if I was that inconsiderate, I wouldn't be posting here and asking. The thing is, I've worked with a lot of websites (big ones, I'm talking hundreds of thousands of visitors, not someone's personal friendspace) before which simply use other websites' pictures and state the source (the pictures also have the source and copyright info on them), so that is why I came here to ask. I was a little sketchy on the internet copyright issue.

Now, do the copyright rules apply regardless of country? I ask because I thought I remember someone telling me that it is not illegal to do some things (online) that may be illegal in that country if you are in your own country. I'm also on a newspaper staff, so I'm not about to put Wikipedia into legal jeopardy, I'm just asking, how else can I find out? Thanks. --anon

Hide TOC[edit]

Is there a way to prevent a TOC from appearing on a page?

Thanks! -- -asx- 23:35, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

I believe putting in "__NOTOC__" will do it. --Dmcdevit·t 00:32, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
Cool, thank you! -asx- 00:43, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
Don't do it unless you have a very good reason to. -- Cyrius| 01:23, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
It's for my user page . . . . -asx- 04:31, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Personalizing of the "Random Article"[edit]


I hope the title was written with a good enough explanation. Basically, I wanted to tell you that it is a great idea to put in a link for "random article" since many people (like me) browse the internet looking for something interesting to read. My only question - Is there any way to personalize it a bit further? Like i would like a random article from the medical section and an article about a particular type of disease or type of surgery could come up. Also, this way, it could be asked that the search engine that chooses the articles chooses them from different currencies around the world and the person could read a random article about a random currency he never knew about.

In other aspects, I think the "random article" button's great except it takes pretty long to get to an article of interest.

--curtisbindra 00:42, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

May I suggest that you visit the Medicine Portal? It will link you to a variety of medical subjects. John Barleycorn 04:40, July 24, 2005 (UTC)

Change User Name?[edit]

When I registered as Ewald wiberg I inadvertently did not capitalize my last name.

Canthis me corrected? How??


Ewald wiberg

Wikipedia:Changing username →Raul654 01:32, July 24, 2005 (UTC)

Could an administrator change my name please?[edit]

Could my username be changed by an administrator to 'scott05' please? Thanks --Scottf9 02:55, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

See above. Howabout1 Talk to me! 03:10, July 24, 2005 (UTC)

Help writing bots for use elsewhere[edit]

Preface: I know bots can be dangerous if not properly monitored, throttled, and controlled. But I've got a tough, rote task I think might be better automated, over on BrickWiki.. namely I want to help another user set up a template for each LDraw color so that we can use the colors in theme descriptions. ( theme Forestmen showing that one cell is green and one red... this won't work for colors that aren't known HTML colors, we need a template like LRed but with an actual cell and the color name in a good foreground color....)

I did some reading here on bots and read through a number of descriptions and so forth as well as Wikipedia:Bots and a number of related pages. Most of the bot authors seem to be reluctant to just make their bot code available, which when you think about it seems a good policy. I know Perl, somewhat, but Python not at all, so any bot I tried to put together would be in perl. I've already found the MediaWiki client

So, my question, am I better off just trying to generate the data for all the templates in some other way (excel macros, say) and then create the templates by hand? There are about 100 needed. Or am I better off trying to plow through the mediawiki client to see if I can get it to do what I want? Or is there an author that can help clueless newbs like me that I should talk to ? (didn't want to pick one at random) Thanks! ++Lar 03:36, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

I don't know anything about that kind of stuff, but Triddle has helped me several times with bot/script stuff. He's also an administrator and runs Wikipedia:Computer help desk. That's who I'd ask. --Dmcdevit·t 21:05, July 24, 2005 (UTC)

Quote collections[edit]

Wondering, since I have seen many collections of quotes in articles, and it is not addressed in what Wikipedia is not: should these quotes be there? I would assume that Wikipedia Is Not any of the other Wikimedia projects, but, as said, it doesn't say much of the sort on the Not page. It does say "ask yourself what a reader would expect under "whatever" in an encyclopedia", however. Is there a policy on this? I know that quotes can be appropriate, to introduce an article, or within the context of the main body, I am talking about collections of quotations lumped after the main article. --Superiority 04:52, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

I think it pretty much goes without saying that Wikipedia is not Wikiquote. →Raul654 04:57, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
I think most articles that include quote sections do so with some brevity (or at least they should) -- for some modern and historical figures, it seems natural. Perhaps in the long run this practice will disappear entirely (in favor of relying on Wikiquote), but as it stands I don't think they're awful. If Bob Dylan was a three paragraph article followed by a section of 35 quotes, that's clearly a bad article. Those cases should be remedied. Anywhere a quote can be introduced into the body of an article, I think that's best -- the article text surrounding it can help provide context, NPOV descriptions of people's reactions, etc. But a few quotes added to the end of a decent article....they don't bother me too much, and I can't think of any clear policy opposing them. Jwrosenzweig 05:10, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
Thankee kindly -- 02:50, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Throat Cutting Question[edit]

My daughter and I have a bet. She says that if the throat is cut on the right side, that it bleeds out in 3 minutes. Whereas, she states that if the throat is cut on the left side, it bleeds out in 3 seconds. (She believes that the blood flowing INTO the brain is fighting gravity and moves slower and the blood coming OUT of the brain would flow faster.) I don't believe either is true and would like to give her the correct information. Our email address is

Thank you for your response.

For factual questions, see Wikipedia:Reference desk, this area is for help with editing and functionality of Wikipedia itself as explained in the big box at the top with the stopsign. Also, many consider it less polite to ask for emailed replies (even implicitly) than to promise to watch for answers. Hope that helps. ++Lar 16:16, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

do search engines find wikipedia topics/pages?[edit]

Do general purpose search engines such as Google, Yahoo, Ask Jeeves, etc. find the topics and pages listed inside Wikipedia or are they purposely blocked? Thank you. GAP-24-July-2005.

See our robots.txt file. Long story short - no, they are not blocked. →Raul654 17:11, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
They sure do. A search on the english Wikipedia (over 14 million results)[4]. A search on all Wikipedias (over 22 million results) [5]. Now that's just Wikipedia and not the other projects! • Thorpe • 17:51, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Offline version?[edit]

my name is net. i've never heard of your organization. is it possible that i might buy a book, disk, whatever, that kinda starts at the beginning? every page i look at seems to be another cycle of its own and i seem to get lost again. of course, my children seem to think i am rather obtuse anyway, so maybe that's part of the problem-haha. i am fascinated and totally lost at the same time! if someone could direct me to a beginning... thank you for your time. net mc clintock

There isn't really a single "released version" of Wikipedia - and getting lost is the joy of an encylopedia. Again, there isn't really a single "beginning"; as an encylopedia is a collection of large amounts of discrete cross-referenced information, it's hard to show a starting point. The top of the Main Page has various links to allow you to browse topics or use an index, if that would help. Otherwise... wander away!
There have been plans to release a single "snapshot" version, but these haven't get got to a release stage, though the German wikipedia sold several thousand copies of a CD-ROM version last year. No printed copies exist, though there have been attempts to create printed WikiReaders, small collections of related articles. Hope that helps. Shimgray 20:43, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia! This encycolopedia doesn't have a beginning or an end as such, but you might like to start at the Main page, the Alphabetical index, A list of the Oldest articles or, more metaphorically, Creation myths. Thryduulf 20:49, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
Have you tried the Random Article link on side of page and Recent Changes? If you stumble over any article that interests you, head on down to bottom of page to see what category it is in, to see if any more articles in same category of interest to you. Put them on your watch list, so you know it if they get updated. In fact, explore all the special pages and links in tool box. As a new user, post something about your interests in the new user section, then other people may say hello via your talk pages with respect to links to pages relevant to your expressed interests. AlMac|(talk) 18:40, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
There is a downloadable PDA version of the Wikipedia available, in the TomeRaider format (see Wikipedia:TomeRaider database). Note that these downloads were last synchronised with the Wikipedia in December 2004; it still is not decided when/how we will make a move towards a single released version. --Gabriel Beecham/Kwekubo 01:34, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Advice on wikifying specific article[edit]

Hey everyone. I've been using Wikipedia for a while and decided I'd finally register and try some editing.

I figured I would start by "wikifying" an article of a local school: Notre_Dame_Roman_Catholic_High_School,_Burlington,_Ontario_Canada. I see a couple problems with the article, however I was hoping an experienced Wikipedian could point out some things they first spot as requiring changes.

Thanks a lot, I'm a little overwhelmed right now! :-)

--Mrtea 23:15, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

One good way to improve articles is by following the example of other (better) articles. The very best articles are Wikipedia's featured articles. Of these, there is one about a school, see Caulfield Grammar School. I'd suggest judging the one you want to work on against this one. Feel free to edit the featured article to see how anything is done (like the top-right infobox, this is a table using wikitable markup). Specific questions about an article should generally be asked on the article's talk page rather than here. BTW - don't worry about messing things up. Anything you do can be easily undone and if you use the "show preview" button before saving you'll be able to see what your edits will look like. Someone will almost certainly leave you a welcome message on your talk page. Feel free to ask this person, or me, any questions you might have. Welcome, and happy editing! -- Rick Block (talk) 23:30, July 24, 2005 (UTC)

how to replace insulting edit summary[edit]

I wish to replace an insulting comment in an edit summary with a less offensive comment. I've read the Civility FAQ and it states that while this is possible it requires technical help. Where can I get this help? --Jerry mcmanus 00:41, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure only developers can actually change the text. An admin could do a delete of the article and restore without the edit, so you could make the edit again and leave a nicer summary, but you'd need to find a pretty experienced admin. -- Essjay · Talk 00:58, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, how do I find an experienced admin? --Jerry mcmanus 01:12, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

I'd give it a little while on here; there are quite a few who watch the page. Any experienced admins out there? -- Essjay · Talk 01:23, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

But doing this would lose the edit history (right?). If the edit was made by the user posing the question, I'm not seeing anything I'd even remotely call offensive. If you're worried you may have offended some specific user, you could just explain the situation and offer an apology on the user's talk page. If you're worried that your edit summary will live forever, marring your reputation, you could put something on your own talk (or user) page about it, but I suspect there's very little point in doing this. -- Rick Block (talk) 01:32, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
No, it's not a comment that I made, I wish to change a comment that someone else made. I don't mind people editing my contributions, that's just wikipedia, but when they choose to insult me in the process, I feel that clearly violates the civility policy. I was hoping there would be an easy way to do this, but if there isn't then I'm willing to just live with it. However, that begs the question, if someone is uncivil in their edit summaries, why isn't it easier to replace their comments with something less offensive? --Jerry mcmanus
I agree it would sometimes be useful to change edit summaries. On the other hand, even if it were easy unless someone was making an overt personal attack I highly doubt anyone would agree to change someone else's edit summary. It sounds like you were and are quite offended. I'd suggest rather than pursuing getting the edit summary changed you take this up directly with whoever made the comment on their talk page. You might want to refer to Wikipedia:Resolving_disputes#First_resort:_talk_to_the_other_parties_involved. I think the same principles likely apply. If, after talking with the user directly, you feel further action is warranted the Resolving Disputes page suggests what to do next. Good luck. -- Rick Block (talk) 03:02, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

I think there are various factors that make the process of changing an edit summary a tricky procedure. Edit summaries are part of the history of changes, rather than a change in themselves - if they could be changed, we would need to keep a history of changes to them, and that history could(plausably) have edit summaries of it's own, which brings us right back to where we started. If it didn't have edit summaries, or worse, we didn't keep a history of changes(to edit summaries, remember) then people could change history undetectably. This is a Very Bad Thing. While being able to apply Wikipedia:Remove personal attacks to edit summaries would be a Good Thing, it would imply the ability to easily change history in a way that could not be easily identified. I think the general consenus is that this would not be worth it. JesseW 04:09, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Trouble adding an image to an article[edit]

OK, I admit that I am missing something about the process here in getting an image that I want to upload into an article. I have uploaded the image Blue-Skylark-Side-View-B.jpg. I know it is there, because I have it on my watchlist. I have been able to get someone else's image into the article, but not my image. What am I doing wrong? BuickGuy2

  • I've fixed it. The image is at Image:Blue-Skylark-Side-View-B.JPG JeremyA (talk) 03:25, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
    • It's case sensitive, in case (haha) you didn't catch that. Even the file extension. So always remember whether you uploaded it as ".jpg" or ".JPG" or whatever. --Dmcdevit·t 03:31, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
I'll probably put something about this on the talk page too but your question made me think of it. Providing links to the relevant articles helps people track down where the article in question is. I guess I should have guessed from your user name but I went to the article on the Skylark bird first and didn't see your user name in the edit history. Then saw your user name and figured it was supposed to be an image of a car which is at Buick Skylark. You can also sign your posts like this: ~~~~ and then people can click on your username to see info about you, rather than having to remember your user name and then search for it. Just thinking out loud really... Dismas 03:32, 25 July 2005 (UTC)


How do I upload images onto Wikipedia?--Anti-Anonymex2Come to my page! I've gone caliente loco! 03:21, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

You may want to read the Wikipedia:Picture tutorial. And before someone jumps on you too hard about it, you may want to trim down the size of your signature; definitely the longest one I've ever seen! ;)HorsePunchKid 03:26, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
Oh dear. I hope you're prepared to get those beans out of there yourself! — mendel 16:24, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

That didn't help!>:(panic face)--Anti-Anonymex2Come to my page! I've gone caliente loco! 23:05, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Image shows up at home but not at work, why?[edit]

The Bacon Brothers

I put up an image for the article on The Bacon Brothers at Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg. The image works at home, even after a cache clearing, but doesn't work from here at work. Here I get the red X broken image sort of image. Should it not be a .jpg and I just missed in the help files where it said "don't use .jpg images", or what? In case it matters, at home I use Safari and here at work I'm forced to use IE. Dismas 04:07, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Hmm. It may not have anything to do with work. I don't have any kind of content filter at my computer right now, but when I click on your image, I get the error message "The image “” cannot be displayed, because it contains errors." Maybe it needs to be reuploaded, it looks like there is no file at that location. Anyone else seeing it at all? --Dmcdevit·t 04:13, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
I can't see it here, either. For some reason there's a chunk of XML embedded in it (some Apple DOCTYPE, probably just something from iPhoto?). I suppose one could put some XML into the comment header or whatever JPEG's analog of it is, but it's certainly something I've never seen before. It does have some JPEG content, though, at least the appropriate file magic. —HorsePunchKid 04:39, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
I didn't understand a single word you just said. Got EJ? --Dmcdevit·t 04:44, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
Sorry! :) When I see a broken image like that, the first thing I do is check the file size. If the imarge is zero bytes, something undoubtedly went wrong during uploading or downloading, and the image simply did not transfer at all. If it's not zero bytes and still not displaying, there are several possibilities, and the next step is to open the image file up not in a web browser or photo program, but rather a text editor like Vim. If it's actually an image file (and not mistakenly some other kind of file, for example, if the file extension got changed somehow), you'll see a lot of binary gibberish, but you'll also see interesting bits of text. The aforementioned file magic is the first thing to look for. A valid JPEG will actually have the text "JFIF" somewhere near the top; similarly GIFs have "GIF89a", PNGs have "PNG", and so on.
This file seems to pass that test. In most of these image formats, you can embed a lot of non-image data into the file, like a description, copyright, authorship, date, and so on. This file, oddly, has a huge chunk of XML data, but maybe Apple's photo products customarily do that for some reason. Strangely, this photo won't open in my web browser (Firefox), but Windows will display it in its picture viewer. I think Dismas probably just needs to re-save the photo or use his photo editor's "save for web" option or somesuch. Hope that's a little clearer! —HorsePunchKid 05:48, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
Ah, thanks for that, I feel much more enlightened. We go about it different ways, but funnily enough, we had come to basically the same conclusion. Anyway, that was a pretty good explanation, and now the helper becomes the helpee, so thanks. (I really wich I was more technically adept). --Dmcdevit·t 05:58, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
I guess I'm a geek, I understood it both ways. Thanks for help! When I get home I'll save it in a different app with web ready file format and try it again. Dismas 07:27, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
When I try to open the file with 'xv', a particularly pedantic Unix image viewer, it reports "Unsupported color conversion request". According to ImageMagick's 'identify', the XML that was mentioned earlier is properly contained in the EXIF and IPTC profile sections of the file, although I can't say I've ever seen either of those filled with XML like that!
Ah, I see the problem. You (or someone) has saved it in Photoshop as a color separation. Browsers won't handle that very well; JPEG supports features beyond what browsers implement and this is one. I've tried to convert it myself and will upload the new version, but the color seems off to me so I'm not sure if it's correct or not. If it isn't, you'll need to use Photoshop to save it as a TrueColor JPEG instead of a separation. — mendel 16:17, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
I've tried opening it in the one shareware image program that I have which is normally quite good, except for this pic. It says that the file had to be "converted from CMYK to RGB color space during opening." and that throws the color off. The image has an effect that washes out the colors a bit and changing the color set washes them out further and is no an appealing change. I'm not sure how to get the color to look right though, I'm no graphic artist. I don't have Photoshop so I'm at a bit of a loss. And yes, all the images that I got in the band's press pack are like this. Dismas 20:54, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
It's working now for me. It looks like mendel fixed it. --Dmcdevit·t 21:03, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
It's working for me here at work now! Thanks to whoever it was! Dismas 00:25, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

what are internet ad servers and publishers[edit]

Please direct questions of this nature to the wikipedia:Reference desk. The Help desk (this page) is for questions about Wikipedia and for getting help with editing problems -- Rick Block (talk) 13:51, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

Multilingual people and their accounts[edit]

Is it impossible to have one account with wikipedia that can be kept over several languages? It seems (from looking through the help archive) that each language is very distinct; although some articles can be displayed in many languages. I ran into this rather minor "problem" when I tried to log in through a different language. I'm perfectly content to register multiple times, but I was wondering if there may be a more convenient way. After all, many of us these days are at least bilingual...

  • They are all different projects so register on each. Elfguy 13:41, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Currently no, although a single cross-language login is being looked at by developers. The current approach is to register multiple times. Shimgray 13:44, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

origin of the word wikipedia[edit]

What is the meaning of the word wiki? How and why did the original owners/authors hit upon the word wiki? Has the word any significance, especial or otherwise on the concept of the contents of the material found in the encyclopedia?

Million thanks for your consideration.

Syed Wasiqullah

Read the article wiki. It means any website that anyone can edit. It's not specific to wikipedia. Howabout1 Talk to me! 15:04, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

The name [Wiki] is based on the Hawaiian term wiki wiki, meaning "quick" or "informal"... [Ward] Cunningham coined the term wiki after the "wiki wiki" or "quick" shuttle buses at Honolulu Airport. Wiki wiki was the first Hawaiian term he learned on his first visit to the islands, when the airport counter agent directed him to take the wiki wiki bus between terminals. According to Cunningham, "I chose wiki-wiki as an alliterative substitute for 'quick' and thereby avoided naming this stuff quick-web." [3] See also: List of computer term etymologies. →Raul654 16:30, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

Film about the Diamond Heist[edit]

I read recently that a film company, I believe Working Titles, were going to produce a movie about the aborted diamond heist from the Dome. The last time I contacted them they weren't sure they were going to carry on with the idea but recently I read in one of the newspapers another film company was considering it and I wondered if you could shed any light on it. The reason being I own the JCB excavator which was the main "star" Richard Evison Tel 01773 541527 07736 105188

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. Since this is a factual question, please see the note at the top of this page, and good luck! Notinasnaid 18:16, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
Question belongs in Wikipedia:Reference desk where it is more likely to be seen by people who can answer it. AlMac|(talk) 18:33, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Contents Menu[edit]

Is there any way of avoiding a contents menu appearing on an article or is there any way of moving it to a specific location? Forbsey 18:53, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

  • __NOTOC__ Elfguy 19:01, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
Thanks. Forbsey 19:09, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Try to avoid using this on articles. Others may like having the TOC around on an article. - Mgm|(talk) 20:01, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

Problems Staying Logged In[edit]

I'm using Firefox on Windows XP, with cookies turned on and explicitly defined in the sites allowed to store cookies list. However when I log in I'm automatically logged out very quickly. For example if I go to my preferences page after logging in, I get a chance to save one or two pages before I get redirected to a page telling me I must log in to view preferences. Even just browsing articles after one or two hyperlink clicks I'm no longer logged in. This is very frustrating as someone who would like to become more active in the Wiki community.

I use Firefox on XP, too. I don't know that this will help in your case, but when I need to re-login after my cookie has expired (or if I unintentionally log out), I actually go into the preferences, set my cookie options to "until they expire", log in (making sure to check the "remember me" box), then go back and reset the option to "until I close Firefox". It's cumbersome, but it does manage to keep me logged in for weeks at a time, annoying flaws in the new MediaWiki notwithstanding. —HorsePunchKid 20:30, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

correcting lalaine's info[edit]

I tried to edit lalaine's info. When I clicked on[edit] i am taken to her career snd not to the 1st paragraph which is what I am trying to correct. What the 1st paragraph says is this:

  "Lalaine or Lalaine Vergara-Paras (born 3 June 1987 in Burbank, California) is a young 
   American actress. Lalaine grew up, and currently lives in Los Angeles, California. She
   is a Eurasian of three quarters Filipino and one quarter Hispanic descent."

I would like to change it to this:

  "Lalaine or Lalaine Vergara-Paras (born 3 June 1987 in Burbank, California) is a young 
   American actress. Lalaine lived in The Philippines from ages 3-8, from 1990-95.  She 
   currently lives in Los Angeles, California. She is of Filipino descent.  Her mom Lilia
   Paras is from Batangas, and her dad is from Pampanga.

She is of Filipino descent, not eurasian.

I think you are clicking on the edit buttons in the articles text (for specific section-editting). What you want to do is click on the "edit this page" all the way at the top. That'll let you edit the whole thing. And welcome to Wikipedia! --Dmcdevit·t 20:51, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

New subject[edit]

I added a new subject "auto independence" I wanted to save it as a subpage because I wasn't able to finish it but I didn't know how to do that. When I selected the save page, it came up in a strange way. The first and last paragraph came up normally. Then the part in between came up in a separate block that stretch off the screen. I know that you will decide whether the article is acceptable. If you decide it is not will you delete the whole thing?

Can I copy and paste from a word file?

This is because you started the paragraphs with an indent. Wikimarkup needs you to start a paragraph with a new line. Don't worry about it though. I've fixed it and any other formatting problems can easily be fixed. Yes you can copy and paste from a word file. The formatting will probably be all wrong, but the text is what is important. Speaking of which, you need to remember that this is an encylopedia. Try to write in an encylopedia style. You need references. Where did this idea come from, which person, group or groups came up with it. Because that needs to go into the article. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 22:52, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

By the way, did you think to save it as a subpage because of the note above the edit box suggesting this? I'm asking because we just recently added that note, and I'm looking for feedback on it. JesseW 00:18, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

copyright of facts?[edit]

I'm new to Wikipedia and have started to write some articles, but have run into some copyrighted webpages. If a webpage is the only source for a fact, and it is copyrighted, does that mean that I cannot place that fact into an article? Like [6] says that Apache Point Observatory was opened on 10 May, 1994 -but the page is copyrighted. If that was the only source I could find for the opening date, would placing it in the article be an infringment? If not, how much information from a copyrighted page can be taken, reworded, and placed in an article? --Rayc 00:52, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

No, facts aren't copyrighted, only the expression of those facts. So, if you took the exact text (or text remarkably similar to) the copyrighted article, that would be illegal. But to use the text to extrapolate facts, i.e., that date, would be fine. Using another's words is plagarism, using another's facts is research. -- Essjay · Talk 01:00, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

In case it's not clear, though, plagiarism and copyright violation aren't the same thing. Taking someone else's ideas, rewriting them, and claiming them as your own would be plagiarism, but probably not copyright violation. However, this doesn't apply to facts, only to ideas. For facts, you should cite your sources, but it's always OK to put a fact in Wikipedia. Isomorphic 06:14, 26 July 2005 (UTC)


Is you cleanup-translation template intended for articles like West Kameng? You have a lot of them. There's no evidence it was translated, but it was written by people who can't write English well enough for me to know how to fix it. Art LaPella 02:17, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

It may be that it is a machine translation (and therefore turns out poorly), so yes. You're welcome to use your own judgment and add it when you see fit (West Kameng looks like it may be machine translated). Don't forget to note it at WP:PNT as well when you do. --Dmcdevit·t 02:23, July 26, 2005 (UTC)



I have few questions about obesity and muscle strength, it would be very kind of you if you could help me in this regard:

1. For a given posture whether obese or non-obese has more muscle strength. How does it vary?

2. What kind of muscle strength is involved in emergency situation (e.g. if you're lifting a load and you feel its heavy but still you have to lift that load)?

I would appreciate if you could provide me some information about this or you could suggest some books where i can find these informations.

my email id:

Thank you & best regards- dev

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. Since this is a factual question, please see the note at the top of this page, and good luck! Notinasnaid 07:44, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Finding Joe Brovia[edit]

We've been contributing some historic material writen by our History Department on major/minor league baseball players inducted into the Pacific Coast League (PCL) Hall of Fame for their minor league careers. Most have been fairly easy to update or add. One problem is a lost entry for Joseph John ('Joe') Brovia that the system doesn't seem to locate. How do we go about finding it if Wikipedia doesn't partial search name entries (We notice the same problem when we search for Raymond Pop Prim by just searching as Pop Prim. Is there a way of entering the name for multiple searches better than we've been doing? Or does it take some period of time to index names in your system fully?

Thank you


Brian Ross Sr. Editor Minor League News (MLN)

I think you're looking for Joe Brovia -- I found it by looking at the User contributions page for your anonymous account (I found your account by looking at the history tab of this help page). The link "My contributions" at the top or left side of the page will take you to this list any time you need to find something you've worked on. (Before you ask, the "top" on that list means your edit is the most recent one to that article -- no one else has touched it since your last edit.) See also Wikipedia:Watchlist for another way to keep track of your work.
It looks like you're doing good stuff on the history of baseball; I'd like to invite you to create an account (see why) as it will give you many more tools with which to keep up the good work. — Catherine\talk 04:27, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

emoticon or emote-icon?[edit]

Emoticon says "emoticon" is a portmanteau. -- Rick Block (talk) 13:44, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

Account name recognition in other Wikipedia editions[edit]

Can I use an account I would create on the English Wikipedia to write or edit an article, say, in the French one? Or would I have to create an account for each Wikipedia I'd like to contribute to?

No. And Yes. The different language versions are seperate entities basically so seperate accounts are needed. Sorry. Dismas 10:26, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
Wikimedia-wide accounts are being worked on. -- Cyrius| 20:25, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Lego Mindstorms[edit]

Sirs, Referring to I noticed two references to LEGO within one sentence. It seemed to me that the second reference was about Lego Mindstorms, the Lego robotics system so I edited that (second) reference to go direct to LEGO_Mindstorms which is otherwise some distance away. But someone has edited it back again. Why would that be? My edit was in good faith. Regards, David

The talk page, which can be found at Talk:Robotics would be a better place to ask this question since the person that changed the link would probably be watching that page but not necessarily this page. Dismas 10:22, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
Here are some random thoughts on what sounds a very reasonable change.
1. You can look at the History link at the top of each article to show you the editing history; this also includes the edit summary (that's why it's so important to fill that in). This will often have reasons for things.
2. If you find a reasonable change is reversed, it might be that there are good reasons, or it might be a misunderstanding. Rather than getting into an editing war, the thing to do is to start a discussion on the article's discussion page.
3. I don't think you have registered as a user. I'd recommend that. Rightly or wrongly, with some people it gives your edits more credibility. Also, you can sign your posts in help pages and discussion pages (but not articles) just by adding ~~~~ which is what I did at the end of the next paragraph.
4. Sometimes a change doesn't take effect immediately. Sometimes hitting Refresh fixes it. So, just possibly, your change did take place. Notinasnaid 13:32, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
According to the page history, the anon. change was made on the 23rd and there's been no edits since. Looks like a caching issue; try reloading the page? It's certainly in the database now. Shimgray 13:52, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
Ah, correction, it was my edit. I did not see it because of caching (oops) and I did not complete the summary, I will in future and now have an account. Wow! - David Robotics1 20:35, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Cat's in preview[edit]

Why don't categories show up when you do a preview of an edit? Dismas 10:33, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

  • Good question.. Elfguy 12:02, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
  • They show up. Look below the edit box on preview, rather than above. All the way at the bottom of the page. (It doesn't seem to work when editting a (section), but it works when editting the article as a whole.) --Blu Aardvark | (talk) | (contribs) 12:05, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
    • Well, whadya know!! They are there... I've never scrolled that far down I guess... Thanks! Dismas 12:11, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

How to edit a dead link?[edit]

After ending up at Lucian Yahoo Dragoman I found out that the first external link was dead. I used to delete the whole link and specify the action in the Subject line of the edit but in this article there is already a dead link and the text has been crossed out (using <s>). I couldn't find the appropiate way to do it in the Tutorial. I did it as it had been done in this article previuosly. What should be done in these cases? Thanks --Alexblainelayder 13:57, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

  • You can just remove them, which I have done. Elfguy 14:36, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
I'm not exactly sure, but my guess is that the point of leaving a struck through link rather than deleting it would be so some future editor might chase down a current, live, link to replace it with. If you've looked, and can't find an equivalent live link (or are simply fairly sure there is no similar link that's live), I'd suggest just deleting it rather than leaving it. In general, if you run into a situation like this where there's something in an article you don't understand, you can view the article history and see who made the change you're curious about and leave them a message on their talk page. Of course, there's no guarantee whoever made the change is still active, but this often works. -- Rick Block (talk) 14:40, July 26, 2005 (UTC)
  • It could be they're just temporarily down, or that your computer in particular can't watch the page. I'd suggest you move the link to the talk page and ask other people if they're having problems viewing it as well. - Mgm|(talk) 14:41, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

Entry Question[edit]

Can i add an entry for my local band? I am not looking for promotion but rather to offer history on my band and some insight to the reason for our name. In fact i am most interested in seeing the entry pop up to all of my friends that use trillian (the program has a built in tooltip and link to words in wikipedia).

--Eric Green

It depends. The answer is probably no, but if your band is notable you can add it. You could always try, but it could get deleted. Howabout1 Talk to me! 16:42, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

You might also want to refer to WP:MUSIC. The guidelines there describe criteria used by many editors to judge whether a band article belongs in Wikipedia. Although not all editors necessarily support those guidelines (and sometimes exceptions are made), it should give you a pretty good idea of whether or not your band might qualify for an article.
It's also often not a good idea to post about yourself; a lot of editors are leery of autobiographical or so-called vanity pages. Perhaps you might find a free webspace provider where you can post your band's information? Wikipedia really isn't a hosting service. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 18:10, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
You might also want to look at Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion/Proposal/3-C to see some of the ways discucssion on this issue have gone recently. DES 23:03, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

'blackface' entry: hacked---[edit]

found the following text in today's 'article of the day': blackface:

These said "coons" certainly are losers, who deserve nothing less than death. By the way, your little message about "experimenting" didn't phase me. I'm no hacker, and I don't regard this as high-end hacking. I regard it as fun. The coons don't regard it as a pejorative.

just wanted to advise, and commend on the good work...would've editted myself but am still learning nuances of how to do so...

danke shoen...

  • You probably saw this edit by User: who seemed to have vandalised under a different IP as he refers to receiving a message which is a common first warning. I'm glad to say the vandalism was noted and reverted. - Mgm|(talk) 19:57, July 26, 2005 (UTC)
    • It was fixed 11 minutes after it was added, by another non-logged in user. You can see the diff here. The wiki principle at work. JesseW 00:18, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Sorry im a little stuck[edit]

Dear WIKIPEDIA, I don't know how to upload an image onto the site without getting a link. Plz could u help me a little plz :)

thankyou very much

Try Wikipedia:Picture tutorial and Help:Images and other uploaded files. Please ensure that you have the legal right to release the image under the GFDL. Bovlb 17:55:03, 2005-07-26 (UTC)


My computer modle# xl795. I can't get any sound.How can I check if the sound card is alright.Or how I find about the sound

  • What company made your system, what sound card do you have installed? Are you sure the sound is on and not repressed by window's volume settings? Do you even use windows? - Mgm|(talk) 20:01, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

Article on Quarry Hill says needs cleanup..[edit]

Hi I posted an article on the community Quarry Hill in Rochester, VT. A box appeared saying it needs cleanup,but I am not sure where to even begin. What do I do?

Isabella McFarlin

WP:STYLE should be a good start.


What was the outcome of the use of the word terrorism debate? Is it a valid word to use? I looked at the very old discussion, but I san't see any consensus reached about what to do. --Lord Voldemort (Dark Mark) 19:16, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

It depends. If there was no consensus, then I'd say use it at your own risk. If you're describing Osama Bin Laden, the 2002 bombings in Bali, or something else fairly clear-cut, you're probably safe. If you're describing David Ben-Gurion, Yasser Arafat, or you could get some disagreement. If you're describing George W. Bush, the bombing of Hiroshima, or the Holocaust, enjoy your flamewar. Isomorphic 05:20, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Adding a picture to an existing article[edit]

I contributed an article and want to add my own non-copyright photo about the subject. I've tried twice to add the picture without success. I'm baffled by the complex procedure. Can someone help me thru the process? The picture would add color and understanding to the article. RGS31

See Wikipedia:Picture tutorial [I wrote it :) ] →Raul654 23:56, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

lost treasures of infocom[edit]

A recently updated article on the above subject caught my attention as I have been trying to get help to load those two old but wonderful collection of historical games onto the Windows XP platform with no success. I wonder if it is possible to find the authors or contributers of the article to see if they could help or point me in the right direction? How would I go about doing this? Thanks for your help. regards John

The entire history of every article is preserved. If you click on the "history" tab you'll see this page. The contributors are listed. You can ask them anything you'd like on their talk pages. -- Rick Block (talk) 02:55, July 27, 2005 (UTC)


I ran across this page while doing RC/New page patrol and I put a VfD tag on it But when I went to add it to the Votes for Deletion page (this article's entry link) I saw that it already had one from January. I'm not sure what the result of that nomination was(it was a different usage) but I thought I'd add it manually to the Votes for Deletion page. So when I did that and hit the preview button the old entry filled out the space below the Blarg header. It looks like it pulled the old entry from January and populated the new entry. I'm not sure what to do in this case, blank the votes/text in the new entry? I thought it was odd so I thought I'd ask what happens when out of date VfD entries are brought forward like this. I might be missing something here (not the first time!) Rx StrangeLove 03:00, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

The article has actually be deleted several times already (deletion log). This version is new (but still seems pretty useless). Since it's now been posted on VfD, I'd suggest letting the VfD run its course. I've suggested a redirect to Blargg, just as a way to keep this thing from being repeatedly recreated. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 03:45, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
Does this happen everytime an article is nominated for VfD that was VfD'd in the past under the same page title (but different content)? Rx StrangeLove 21:43, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

RSS feed[edit]

is there a way to view my watchlist with an rss reader? i think it would be excellent if there were. thanks, Milrock

There is indeed an RSS feed - see Wikipedia:RSS. --Gabriel Beecham/Kwekubo 08:49, 27 July 2005 (UTC)


if my sex partner has ejected sperm inside of me and two days later i started my period could i still be pregnant and is that a fertile time two days before your period

Welcome to the Wikipedia! As you might see from the box at the top of the page, this page is for Wikipedia-related questions. For general factual-based questions, go to Wikipedia:Reference desk. Thanks! --Gabriel Beecham/Kwekubo 08:49, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Copyright to use Skorzeny image on a new book[edit]

To whom it may concern,

On your webpage for OTTO SKORZENY, you feature two photographs. I'm trying to contact the copyright holder of the first image (the portrait photograph) so see whether it can be used for a new book about his life.

The book will be published next year by Greenhill Books, a military history publisher based in London. I'd like to use the picture on the front jacket.

With kind regards, Michael Leventhal

I have left a note for the contributing user. Unfortunately, he appears to have ignored previous requests for source information for this image, so you may be out of luck. Bovlb 14:16:09, 2005-07-27 (UTC)
I've been busy for these couple of months but I can refer you to the German photo agency Ullsten Bild [7] that handles a lot of German imagery of WW2, including a couple of thousand color ones. GeneralPatton 00:53, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

U S NANY[edit]

What website  can i find "ressident officer in charge of construction"



If you look at the article's history you can see that lots of users have contributed. There is no single author. MyNameIsClare talk 11:58, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
If you're citing Wikipedia as a reference, please see Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia. Bovlb 14:08:18, 2005-07-27 (UTC)

Bar Harbor Airlines[edit]

The entry on "Bar Harbour Airlines" says:

"On October 12, 1988, a Bar Harbor Airlines ATR-42 airplane almost collided with Air Force One, carrying United States President Ronald Reagan, missing the Boeing 747 by less than 1,000 feet (3 km)."

Should it be 10,000ft (which is about 3km)?

  • I think the 3km is the thing that needs adjusting. If the planes were 3km apart it's not a near collission. - Mgm|(talk) 09:47, July 28, 2005 (UTC)

state's flower[edit]

state's flower

What do you mean? Notinasnaid 13:24, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
You might want to have a look at List of U.S. state flowers -- Ferkelparade π 13:57, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Van Gogh website has moved[edit]

Hello there: I'm pleased to see that you link to my website, the Vincent van Gogh Gallery at its former location ( I wanted to let you know that the web address has changed. The new URL is:


I'd be very grateful if you could make the change.

Many thanks.

David Brooks Toronto, Canada

I've fixed this, although you could have done this yourself. Unlike most web sites, this site allows anyone to edit any page (really, no kidding). In particular, articles you reference and the Vincent van Gogh article (and every other article) has an "edit this page" link. Fixing the links yourself would have been preferred, and probably no more effort than posting the request here. BTW - if you see anything else in any of our articles that needs fixing, please fix it! -- Rick Block (talk) 01:14, July 28, 2005 (UTC)

pricing articles[edit]

I am trying to start up an internet cafe where I live. I am having a bit of trouble of finding something that tells me about what to charge the customers. Is there something in this web page that will help me find out the information that I am needing so I can get my busniess up and running?

Please see the instructions at the top of this page. There's nothing on this page, and probably nothing on this site, but some people might be able to help. Good luck! Notinasnaid 17:50, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Try figuring out what other local businesses charge and don't ask too much more. - Mgm|(talk) 09:50, July 28, 2005 (UTC)

Obtaining a wiki subject article with its dependencies[edit]


I did not find this in the documentation so I will state what I am attempting to do and see if this can be done. I wish to access a subject and obtain the article for that subject plus its dependencies so that I can print this for my personal use. Is this possible? If so how is this accomplished?

Thank you for this most excellent product.

It depends what you mean by "dependancies". If you mean all articels that are linked to from the artilce, i don't think there is a built-in automated way to do this. If you mean articels that link TO the given articel, there is "what links here". Note that some links in an article may not be strongly relevant (an articel that mentions that a town is located in France may link to the articel on France as i just did, but the entire artilce on France may not be something you want to print out. On the other hand in soem cases you may need to follow through multiple links to find relevant information.
I would advise that you simply copy & paste the text of the article, then follow links and copy and paste the text of other relevant articels or parts of articles. It is soem trouble, but allows you to actively chose the relevant content. Then you can print out the result of your collection of pastes. DES 17:33, 27 July 2005 (UTC)


Almost everything you have on water planst seems to be under Lotuses. They are not the same plant. I grow water lillies and could do an article on them. How do I get started? Help! KennethChilders

See Wikipedia:How to edit a page. [[smoddy]] 17:58, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
But first see Nymphaeaceae. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 18:01, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
Oh, I see what may have misled KennethChilders:
  • Water lily correctly redirects to Nymphaeaceae but,
  • Water lilly (wrong spelling) redirects to a disambiguation page with several Lotus (the water plant) choices. This needs someone in the know to untangle. hydnjo talk 18:19, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

As the correct spelling redirects to "Nymphaeaceae", the wrong spelling should too, so I've corrected it. WATER LILLIES goes nowhere, though... --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 18:26, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

But now I'm confused because the lead sentence is "The Nymphaeaceae (water-lilies) belong...". Shouldn't the WP synonym be a valid search title? hydnjo talk 18:29, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

At the moment Water Lily and Water lilies both redirect to Nymphaeaceae, and so do the non-standard waterlily and waterlilies, and the misspellings Water lilly and Water lillies. It's only the misspelt version in all upper case that's red. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 19:29, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

  • In other words mind your spelling and capitalization when looking for articles. - Mgm|(talk) 09:52, July 28, 2005 (UTC)

Mercer & Burke[edit]

I have come across the hand written musical master to Midnight Sun, but its written Mercer & Burke in the corner. I was wondering how to go about to find out about it.

Donna Geo

A user's password request[edit]

The following request appeared on my talk page. Can anyone help him?

Listen, How do I get a copy of my present password?
I had it written down, then lost what it had been written down on! Gad, us absent minded professors!!!!! Can you put me in touch with an administrator who can help me, please and thanks? I really have to find out what that password is!
You can also get it to me via e-mail, too. Just send me a new message and we can arrange to exchange it via e-mail...
Michael 23:09, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

It appears the user was logged in at the time he made the request. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 01:03, July 28, 2005 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure there isn't a way to get the actual password (if you look under preferences, it will be masked) but if he's able to log in, he can change the password to something he can remember. If he can't change it, he can add an email address to the account, then have a new temp password emailed to himself so he can change it to something he can remember. Only developers can actually get to another user's password, and the likelihood of getting a dev. to look into it is slim. -- Essjay · Talk 03:40, July 28, 2005 (UTC)

Welcome Message[edit]

Could someone leave this user a welcome message? He's new and I want him to feel good about the community:

Thanks, -asx-

  • Simply use {{welcome}} and put it on talk pages not on user pages. Elfguy 12:15, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Babel: Why no eo-4 ?[edit]

Currently there are no template and no category for eo-4 language proficiency (Esperanto, not a native speaker but as well or almost). Is that intentional? If it is, the 2nd Babel entry on my user page should be degraded to eo-3 ("high or fluent" proficiency, according to Template:user_eo-3). If it isn't, see the text of my user page for what I believe the template should say. (I don't know how to go about creating it.)

-- Sorry if this isn't the right place to ask; if it isn't, then I failed to find the right place.

Tonymec 03:22, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Why didn't you try Wikipedia talk:Babel? As it is, it appears that there's no eo-4 because nobody has made one yet. This is 90% of the time the answer to "why isn't there X" around here. -- Cyrius| 04:09, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
No flaming please: I'm new to the Wiki. I'll ask again in Babel. I still don't feel up to creating them myself but I think that there I might find someone who will help me rather than flame me. -- Tonymec 05:57, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I'm just annoyed because there seems to be an influx of people who keep making the same silly assumption that Wikipedia is some sort of organized effort where nothing appears unless it is finished and polished. I assumed that you had already found the Babel page because you referred to it as such. -- Cyrius| 16:23, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
Well, I had got as far as finding that I could list the languages I talk as an out-of-text image, by using something starting with the word Babel and enclosed in double braces. Then I found out that most languages appeared OK, but eo-4 didn't. Esperanto, however, is not a language like every other language. For instance, it has very few native speakers in comparison to the non-natives, and it is not the native speakers who are the source of the norm. Also, I found out that the existing eo-3 template said the Esperanto equivalent of "This user talks Esperanto very well or fluently". So I asked myself: Maybe it is on purpose that, specifically for Esperanto, no level-4 category exists? In that case I ought to downgrade my eo-4 to eo-3. Anyway I didn't (and still don't) know how to go about creating those language proficiency templates "the right way", with the "proper" colours etc.; and I looked at several other places before asking here, but none seemed "quite right". I'm a newbie, I haven't yet been on the Wiki for a week, and newbies make errors, that's part of the learning process. Maybe I took your abrupt response for a "Get out of here and don't bugger me" which on second reading it wasn't. Other answers sounded on the average quite helpful so I asked here in the hope that I would find, hopefully the solution to my problem, or maybe benign indulgence and a kind warning "Next time, please ask at this-and-that other place".
   In the meantime, my question has become moot since someone has created the missing template and category. I still have to find out how to add eo-4 and en-4 in the "Vikipedio" (the Esperanto Wiki), but of course this is definitely not the place for that since the Wikipedia for each language is a distinct, autonomous unit, with a distinct, autonomous Babel. -- Tonymec 23:31, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Inflexion or inflection?[edit]

Two things. Is there already an article on non-stationary point of inflexion? I can't seem to find one, and I think that there should've been one created already, given the mathematical knowledge of the users of Wikipedia. If not, should there be a separate article for stationary point of inflexion to go along with non-stationary point of inflexion?

And which word should be used for convention: inflexion or inflection?

Thanks. -x42bn6 07:17, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

I would suggest just adding to the article at stationary point, and creating appropriate redirects to that article from the other likely titles. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 16:51, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

How do you link from edit summaries?[edit]

I'm talking about the little right-arrows people use in edit summaries which link back to the section of an areticle they have edited. Several are visible in this page's edit history.

I've an idea I must be missing something obvious. They look like this: ( whatever I've replied to)

Many thanks, ~ Veledan | Talk | c. 10:10, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

  • Specifically, it's done by using /* Section */ . If you use the edit tag at the top of a section (such as this one), it will be filled in the edit summary automatically.

You can also link to pages in an edit summary, which you may want to for various reasons, such as creating a redirect. To do this, just use a regular wikilink [[Like this]] --Blu Aardvark | (talk) | (contribs) 10:19, 28 July 2005 (UTC)


  • This is not an advertisement board. Elfguy 12:10, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia via RSS or SOAP[edit]

Dear friends,

Is it possible to get wikipidia content by means of RSS or/and SOAP. I would like to publsih dynamically your content on my site saving all your copyrights, etc..

Thanks you


  • There are more than 50 edits made every minute. Publishing Wikipedia content in real time is not allowed since it would put extreme stress on the server. You can download a zip file of the whole content updated daily and publish that instead. Elfguy 12:09, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
    Like so many, I don't think he realized what he would be getting into. -- Cyrius| 16:19, 28 July 2005 (UTC)


Can anyone point me towards the Wikipedia policy on (not) creating subpages in the article space? Thanks. Physchim62 11:54, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

  • Usually it's not done unless special cases, such as portal templates, VfD pages, etc. But I don't know of any policy that prohibits it. Elfguy 15:38, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Subpages: "Do not use subpages for permanent content that is meant to be part of the encyclopedia." -- Cyrius| 16:18, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

deleting element in array[edit]

Bold texti want to delete an element in the middle of an array, i donot know the proper key word to perform the action so please help me in this.please give me the key word used .

  • I think this isn't about wikipedia but about programming. So this would belong on the reference desk. Could you please be more specific and tell us what program you are using? - Mgm|(talk) 11:29, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

Is it OK to create stubs?[edit]


I'm new to the Wikipedia and have edited a few articles in the programming languages category. I added blank pages using a stub for several languages, intending to return later and flesh them out. But someone deleted the stubs just a few hours after I created them.

What do I do? I have limited wiki time, am I supposed to create a fully fledged article from scratch? Is it in order for others to delete stubs before I fill them in?

Lingolanguage 13:38, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

I think you're expected to create more than a placeholder, because there's no way to know you intend to come back (unless you say so on the talk page). But you can see for yourself the reason for deletion using Special:Log/delete and filling in the title of the articles. It will also tell you who deleted the article if their reasons don't seem to make sense. Notinasnaid 13:47, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
Stubs are articles with short content. If you give a certain amount of information (at least one line, preferably a minimum of three) and a stub notice, it won't be deleted. Blank articles are deletable. See WP:CSD and Wikipedia:Stub. [[smoddy]] 13:49, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
See also Wikipedia:Substub - substubs are considered particularly undesirable. Notinasnaid 13:51, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

OK I guess I went wrong in just creating a blank stub with zero content. In future I will put at least a small amount of content there. Perhaps I need to write the articles using a kind of 'depth first' instead of 'breadth first' algorithm!

Another way to do it is to develop (at least partially) on a User sub-page and then move it to the Article namespace when ready. hydnjo talk 14:58, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

OK I used Special:Log/delete and typed in the name of the article (an obscure language called Bigwig). The URL is and the link gives:

 17:38, 25 July 2005 DJ Clayworth deleted "Bigwig" 

Maybe it's common knowledge to experiended wiki writers not to create empty stubs. I didn't know this (and yes I did go thru the tutorial) and it would help to be given a reason.

  • I've expanded the template on empty articles a while ago and it now links to the Criteria for speedy deletion. Articles without informational content are one of those that can be deleted. Why would you want to put in placeholders to begin with? - Mgm|(talk) 11:34, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

What is "color commentary"?[edit]

I am not a sports fan, but I know "color commentary" has something to do with football, I believe. Surprisinly, I haven't found a good explaination online of it. Can anyone help by creating a short article? --JMorton

See color commentator. In the future, btw, factual questions belong at Wikipedia:Reference desk. Best, Meelar (talk) 14:53, July 28, 2005 (UTC)

Adding a new article[edit]

Hello there,

I was wondering if it would be possible to write an article on environmental monitoring in relation to the monitoring of environments in computer rooms and data centres. I ask because this is quite a new field though the monitoring of such locations is very important to the overall security of computer and network hardware.


  • Anyone can start a new article. However, please search around to make sure another article doesn't already cover the subject, and if you create a new article make sure it's known information and provide sources as reference. Wikipedia does not accept original research. Elfguy 17:07, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
  • You might want to start by looking at HVAC and HVAC control system. I haven't gone through the links at those articles, but there might be something that ties in to what you want to write. (If you start a new article, it should be probably be linked from one or both of those articles, too.) TenOfAllTrades(talk) 17:30, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
You might also want to check the article for cleanroom. -- Dismas 20:14, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

how to open an url in new window[edit]


cud u pls tell me how to open an url in a new window.

In many browsers, you can right-click on a link and one of the choices will be "open in new window" or some other wording for the same idea. DES 17:29, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

What dreams mean to me?[edit]


This is Barbara,just trying to find out a meaning of a dream. I keep having.

Thanks Barbara.

  • May I suggest seeing a shrink. Elfguy 18:12, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
  • I'd point at our article on dream interpretation, but it is rather lacking. -- Cyrius| 18:24, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Questions like this belong at the reference desk. Besides, if you don't tell us about the dream, we can't explain it. - Mgm|(talk) 11:37, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

Trying to find 1940's children's book that had phrase "That Didn't Hurt"[edit]

(moved to reference desk) - Mgm|(talk) 11:39, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

Start a new article with the same name as another[edit]

I'm working on the monkees albums, but the when I try to make a link for the monkees album I don't get a blank web page I get sent to the Monkees main article page

thanks, Horrorfreak

Hi Horrorfreak, if the album is called "The Monkees" you will have to name the page "The Monkees (album)", you can then write a link like in their discography like The Monkees (you'll have to look at that in edit mode to get what I mean). Hope this is what you're after. Alf 19:32, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
I thought the The was omitted from the beginning of titles, though not of band names. - PhilipR 20:00, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
I would normally agree. I suspect that Horrorfreak is trying to write about the eponymous debut album called "The Monkees" as [titled on All Music Guide] and for those two reasons I would be happy with The Monkees (album). Alf 20:16, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
Right. It's not just band names but any specific name that includes "the" in the name, and is not just an external article. Like The Pickwick Papers or even The Hague. --Dmcdevit·t 20:20, July 28, 2005 (UTC)


Can you get a permanent ban?--Anti-Anonymex2Come to my page! I've gone caliente loco! 20:23, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Do you want one? Or are you asking for help on another user? May I suggest you read Wikipedia:Banning policy and Wikipedia:Blocking policy. Cheers, [[smoddy]] 20:32, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Link to #Anchors example broken[edit]

I've been trying to see an example of how to create Anchors within a page from the following section:

The link to the Anchors example does not seem to be working. Anyone know how to create Anchors within a page or can you fix the link to the example?

Thank you! - Emily Case

Each section heading of an article becomes an anchor, linked with the syntax described on the help page, e.g. Page#Places (and if the heading doesn't exist, e.g. Page#link, the link goes to the top of the article). The page linked in the example was replaced with a redirect (ahem, some time ago). I'll find a different example and change the help page. -- Rick Block (talk) 00:39, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
Rick apparently forgot to do this, so I have now updated it to use History of Russia#Imperial Russia as the example. Thryduulf 12:24, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Best way to resolve a bunch of redirects and disambiguation pages[edit]

I wanted to look up the Organization of American States, so I entered "oas" into the search box, and found myself at Oas, Albay. There were no links to a disambiguation page there, so I found OAS, and then added a template to the top of Oas, Albay which I thought would point to OAS—but instead it points to OAS (disambiguation), which is a second disambiguation page.

What's the best way to resolve this mess without screwing up page histories and things too much? —Bkell 23:52, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

I have simply redirected OAS (disambiguation) to OAS. The former should never have been created, as with almost all TLAs. [[smoddy]] 23:57, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Splitting a section off to a new article - copyright[edit]

{{Presbyterianism]] has on it a section 'list of famous american presbyterians' it is interesting, but not directly relevant, and rather US POV. I want to split it off to a seperate article. I can create this and then cut and paste - but what are the copyright implications for the GDFL? I can't seem to find any instructions on this. --Doc (?) 01:01, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Anything is wikipedia should be GDFL anyway, so it doesn't matter is you copy text within wikipedia. Howabout1 Talk to me! 01:07, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

OK, thanks --Doc (?) 01:25, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

To refine Howabout1's answer, you should indicate in the edit summary or the new article's talk page (ideally in both locations) the source of the material that was moved. Although the wiki software does an excellent job of tracking the authors at a particular article, it has no way of knowing when a cut and paste has taken place. By adding a notice to the edit summary and talk page, you ensure that the GFDL requirements are fulfilled. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 01:36, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

That's what I suspected. Will do. --Doc (?) 08:35, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Implementing content flow downloads for all languages[edit]

I was just wondering if there could ever be possible in the measurable future to download the content of all posts for any language option in mp3 format or else so that the user was able to enforce and enhance the quality and process of general learning effect to be derived from the messages featured? I'm longing for this to occur some time at your Norwegian and German pages, especially. There are some files that I spotted occasionally while browsing the archives of recent English posts, but those were attached to the main body of the post in no regular way. It goes without saying, the proposal I make for you to take note of extends tremendous efforts, but if put into practice it would deliver prodigious educational fun and inspire a greater drive for improving aural capabilities in one or another language selection. To say the least, whether it is possible to invite someone to record Latin texts or Chadian writings, but anyway it's great to listen and practice one's tongue on one's own.

I'm not entirely sure I understand what you want, but perhaps Wikipedia:WikiProject Spoken Wikipedia and Category:Spoken_articles might help. If you add an article to Category:Spoken Wikipedia requests then someone might record it (but then again, might not - recording an article really is a lot of work). Note that you yourself can record articles for wikipedia; don't worry if you have a girly voice or a weird accent - most spoken wikipedia contributors have both :) -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 23:01, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

Is there a list of administrators to contact them in the case of needing admin help?[edit]

Thanks a lot. -- 03:11, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

See [here]. Howabout1 Talk to me! 03:17, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

I'll volunteer myself. Ask me anything you got (though in all honesty, most people can do most things, it's just that we've been entrusted with a few extra tools). --Dmcdevit·t 03:22, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks very much to both Dmcdevit and Howabout1. I've listed the question on your page, Dmcdevit.--Universaliss 04:55, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Hidden pages[edit]

Is it possible to create pages that only certain individuals can look at? For example, it would be helpful to use a wiki to post minutes of a meeting that a group can edit before agreeing to. Thanks for your help!

- Daniel

Sorry. See wikipedia:what wikipedia is not. Howabout1 Talk to me! 04:29, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

That page doesn't say anything! MyNameIsClare talk 08:36, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
Good spot! See How to start a Wiki from Wikibooks instead. Thryduulf 09:08, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

ip address[edit]

if i lost my ip address how can i restore it on my computer

  • I'm confused by what you are asking. Your IP address is (in most cases) automatically assigned by your Internet Service Provider. If you're able to access the internet, you have nothing to worry about- you have a valid IP address. If you're curious as to what your IP is, and are running Windows 95, 98, or ME, go to the start menu, select "run", and type "winipcfg" in the dialog box. If you are running Windows 2000 or XP, go to the start menu, select run, and type "cmd" in the dialog box. At the command prompt, type "ipconfig".

Alternatively, just visit this site, but beware of pop-up advertisements. FYI, your edit above came from --Blu Aardvark | (talk) | (contribs) 08:00, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

If you previously edited under a different IP address and want to find what it was, e.g. to read message on its talk page, then the best thing to do is to go to an article you know you edited. Once there click on the history tab at the top of the page (next to the edit this page tab). This will show you all the users who have made edits to that page, you should see your old IP address in the list. Just click on it, and you will be taken to the contributions made my that IP address. On the second line under the bold User contributions title at the top of the page is a small link to the talk page. To avoid this hassle in future, consider creating an account. Thryduulf 12:35, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Linking to a Category Talk or other Talk page?[edit]

I am participating in the talk page of the proposed naming convention for military units page wikipedia: Naming conventions (military units), and I would like to link to a talk page entry I made on the category talk page for American field armies. The problem is, I can't find any references that address how to link to a Talk page of any sort. I think that it has something to do with namespaces, but I have not been able to figure it out. Thanks. --Mddake 07:50, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

It does have something to do with namespaces.
  • To link to a talk page in the main namespace, (articles such as George W. Bush are in the main namespace), link to [[Talk:Article Name]]. Example: Talk:George W. Bush.
  • To link to a talk page in the Wikipedia namespace (articles preceded by the phrase "Wikipedia:" with the colon are in the Wikipedia namespace), link to [[Wikipedia Talk:Article Name]]. Example: Wikipedia Talk:Naming conventions (military units)
  • To link to a talk page in the category namespace (articles preceded by the phrase "Category:" with the colon are in the category namespace), link to [[Category Talk:Article Name]]. Example: Category talk:Black holes.
  • To link to a talk page in the User namespace (Articles preceded by "User:" with the colon are in the user namespace), link to [[User Talk:User Name]]. Example: User Talk:Blu Aardvark

And so on, and so forth. --Blu Aardvark | (talk) | (contribs) 08:09, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Thank you. --Mddake 22:48, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Efed article[edit]

Hello. I was working on the Efed article a few days ago, and it now seems to have disappeared ... could someone tell me what happened to it, please? The talk page is still there, but no mention of what happened to the article itself. It would be helpful if you'd let me know on my talk page. Thanks. Proto t c 09:04, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Answered on your talk page --Doc (?) 09:12, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

For the record, I've recreated Efed as a redirect to e-wrestling - I think redirecting would have been the obvious solution from the beginning... -- Ferkelparade π 09:34, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

I think Proto is off seeking a VfU - something about material lost --Doc (?) 09:45, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

My fault. Undeleted 15 revisions, although it remains a redirect. Hedley 21:42, 29 July 2005 (UTC)


can you please help me with a topic on Terminals. Thank you

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. Unfortunately, I'm not sure what help you are looking for. There is already a topic on terminals – click that link to go there. Does that help? Notinasnaid 09:24, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Disambiguation notice[edit]

Does the disambigution notice, namely "{{disambig}}", go at the top or bottom of a disambiguation page? I couldn't find the answer at WP:DAB. --Commander Keane 09:16, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Can't edit[edit]

How does one edit a page like the URL below? It seems different than the others when I go to the "edit this page" tab. Is there a write up about it? Thanks.

Ah, you've run across a Wikipedia:Category. With the exception of the introductory information at the top of the page, all of the entries in the list of articles are automatically generated and cannot be changed directly. Instead, each article in the category has a reference to Category:Boy Scouts of America; these category references are found at the very end of each article. Categories are used to group articles by subject matter. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 18:18, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Adding graffiti paragraph to Copenhagen article[edit]

I'm seriously contemplating adding a grafitti paragraph to the Copenhagen article, mentioning some of the most famous and long-running crews, the grafitti on the S-trains and so forth. Should I maybe put this in the Grafitti article? Sorry if a question similar to this has already been answered. If so, I couldn't find it anywhere. Kind regards, --Twisturbed Tachyon 18:08, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Is Copenhagen graffiti significantly different from graffiti everywhere else? Are Copenhagen graffiti artists unusually active, unusually talented, or anything like that? Otherwise, this info doesn't need to be in the article Copenhagen. Cities are large complex things, and any city has hundreds of characteristics you could write a paragraph on. The key is figuring out which ones are important or interesting enough to include in an encyclopedia. Isomorphic 05:01, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for your replies. I'll try my hand at writing up a new article. It may take some time. Kind regards, --Twisturbed Tachyon 11:49, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

how can we add our company web page as one of the external links[edit]

Hi there,

I would like to add our company webpage adress as one the external links in graph drawing ( Please give the instructions for this.

Thank you This is a wiki! That means anyone can edit it. The simple instruction is click on the edit this page button at the top. For detailed instructions, see wikipedia:how to edit a page. Howabout1 Talk to me! 18:44, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

Though it might be as well to suggest this on the article's talk page first. Posting links to company sites is only sometimes considered appropriate. Notinasnaid 19:01, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

computer aided design,Architecture[edit]

Where would you suggest I look for this info?? I have looked & looked in all the places I could think of

TIA, Ron

Try Computer-aided design. I'm not sure there's anything terribly architecture specific, however. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 21:32, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

personal sandbox?[edit]

Hi, I'm VERY new here - how do I create a personal sandbox - I want to create a new entry, and plan to use an existing article as a template, but have no clue where to start.. Help! TSR2 21:20, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Yay - answered my own question - anyone else who wants to do this, go to wikipedia:subpages, wot has the answer... (and demonstrates that I should have looked myself before asking here! ;)

List of Towns with less than...[edit]

Where's that list of towns in america with less than 10 people? humblefool® 21:45, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

There is a List of places with fewer than ten people that covers the entire world, not just the United States. Thryduulf 23:18, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

The Mission of the Democrat Party[edit]

What is the mission of the Democrat Party or what is their mission statement?

You might be able to find it at the home page for the Democratic Party --Dismas 04:04, 30 July 2005 (UTC)


A stone hangs by a thread from the ceiling, and a section of the same thread dangles from the bottom of the stone. If a person gives a sharp pull on the dangling thread, where is the thread likely to break: below the stone or above it? What is the person gives a slow and steady pull?

Factual questions should be asked at the Reference Desk, but you might find what you're looking for here. Or you could contact the people who set this as a homework problem here and here. Bovlb 05:04:27, 2005-07-30 (UTC)

Too specific?[edit]

I want to add the opening and closing times to Getty Center. Is that too specific? I had a feeling it shouldn't be added. Howabout1 Talk to me! 14:50, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

No, I don't think I'd put it in (unless there's something special or interesting about them, like they're open all night when the moon is full or something). They'll change anyway, dating the article, and it's not the kind of stuff other wikipedians will rush to keep updated. There's plenty of stuff the article could benefit from - it's made of travetine marble (if memory serves) and there's the unusual arrangement with the tramcar thing. I suppose it's not NPOV to say that its collection is thirdrate junk and visitors are far better off going to the LACMA instead ;) -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 20:55, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

Hey! No, I wont add it, and maybe I will add some on the tramcar. I went there after I posted this. Howabout1 Talk to me! 22:14, July 30, 2005 (UTC)


Relevancy issues[edit]

I was just wondering why, when I do a search regarding 3 words, does it give me 100% relevancy as soon as just one of the words appears in a definition? It just makes the whole relevancy rating seem ... irrelevant.

Informational web site[edit]

I have constructed an informational web site for Erie, Illinois. How do I get it listed on the Erie Illinois page?

You submitted the site, I formatted it properly. [[smoddy]] 17:03, 30 July 2005 (UTC)