Wikipedia:Help desk/Archive 53

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June 7[edit]

Common names: For Wikipedia or Wiktionary?[edit]

  • Hi. I am wanting to update several articles about personal names (and the occasional surname), and I can't figure out which site would be best to place the content on. If the pages are going to be describing the meaning on the names, which will be the majority of what I want to do, then it would presumably be an article for Wiktionary. The only encyclopedic content may feature lists of people with such names, and we already have that massive list of people by name page for that sort of thing. (Though, for first names, I don't believe we have that.) I may want to mention that certain people popularized certain names, but I could just do it on those people's pages as well. Basically, where would it be best to put entries about first and last names? -- transaspie 00:10, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
  • For an example of a Wikipedia article about a personal name, see William (name). If you plan to create something like that, a Wikipedia article is fine. MCB 01:05, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

What to do with these articles?[edit]

A user, User:Natter(contribs), has been creating a number of one line articles about species of animals. I'm really rather unsure what to do about them though since they should have articles but surely not this short. So what tags should be put on them or what should be done with them? A sample of the articles: Cycloderma, Trionyx, Palea, Cyclanorbis, Amyda, etc. Thanks, Dismas|(talk) 02:35, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

They all seem to have been deleted as "Very short articles providing little or no context". --Sam Blanning(talk) 11:00, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Well, now they have... yeah. Dismas|(talk) 21:10, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Talk page on deleted article[edit]

Hi, is it possible to delete a talk page of a deleted article? An administrator deleted an War for the throne, but the talk page is still there. Just wondering. Bye --Starionwolf 03:56, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Yes, in most cases talk pages should be deleted along with the article in question. If you come across such a page again, please tag it using {{db|reason}}, replacing 'reason' with something like 'is talk page of deleted article. If you tag it correctly, an administrator will come along and do the deletion for you. - Mgm|(talk) 04:46, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Ok, thanks for the reply. I'm still new to Wikipedia. Bye --Starionwolf 19:29, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Someone deleted the talk page before before I had a chance to put the DB tag on it. lol Bye the administration team is fast! --Starionwolf 04:03, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Ratu Sukuna[edit]

I type another article of Ratu Sukuna on his Failures and I'm wonderfing what happened to it. My log name was Nabukubukunivalu. You can reach me on (email removed to protect from spam)

We've never had an article called Ratu Sukuna, Ratu Sukuna on his Failures or lowercase variants of that name. Possible reasons why such an article may have been deleted can be found at Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion - from your post it sounds rather like an attack page, or "Articles that serve no purpose but to disparage their subject". --Sam Blanning(talk) 10:58, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Proper titling of an article about a flood[edit]

How would I title an article about a specific flood. Would it be 2005 Example River Flood or something else? If it is the example I gave, would "flood" be capitalized, since it does seem to be proper there? Thanks, Chuck 08:07, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Also, what if the flood concerned a few close quartered rivers, how would an article be titled then (each river probably doesn't need it's own articles, but rather just a section). Thanks again, Chuck 08:07, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

  • I can again only suggest that you take inspiration from the names in the Flood article. What was the flood called in the media? — Estarriol talk 10:10, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Chick Skin[edit]

I was playing with my preferences and changed my skin to Chick. The skin causes overlaps with text and fields so I tried to change to another skin, however the skin seems to prevent some save button (including ctrl-s) from working when editing my profile, so now I'm stuck with this skin. Any thoughts on how I can change to another skin? - S.ferguson 09:34, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Have you tried clicking the reset button? This resets the skin to the Monobook skin (default skin)Harryboyles 11:30, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
The solution is to go to this link and change to another skin. --Commander Keane 14:44, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, forcing it to use another skin worked. It appears to me that there are some useability issues with the Chick skin, is there a process for reporting this? - S.ferguson 18:08, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
That would need to go straight to the developers. Titoxd(?!? - help us) 07:09, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Chick is for PDA's I think.--Commander Keane 21:30, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Logged out[edit]

Since one or two days ago my account is constantly logged out. Sometimes it's even logged out if I go to the Main Page. Why is this? I've made a change in my browser (IE) to save URLs for seven days rather than the standard 20, but that's all. Then I've tried using the lowest security level, "Accept all cookies" but still it's the same. What can I do to stop being logged out? Jack Daw 09:55, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps the cookie is corrupt. Clear your browsers cache (in IE: press Ctrl-F5). Also make sure you tick the "Remember me" box when you log in.--Commander Keane 14:47, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Actually clearing the cache may not fix corrupt cookies, perhaps go Tools, Options, Delete Cookies.--Commander Keane 14:53, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Still keeps logging out. Jack Daw 22:16, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Are you using a firewall? I had a similar problem that persisted for about a week, until I altered my firewall settings. I changed it so that Wikipedia was allowed to set third party cookies and the problem cleared up instantly. Road Wizard 23:44, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
I have no idea :D How do I find out? Jack Daw 10:36, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Retroactively replacing anon moniker[edit]

Is there a way I can retroactively replace my anon moniker Mightberight/wrong (which I used before becomeing a Registerd editor), with my registerd moniker GoodDay? GoodDay 13:52, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

It's not a good idea to change the moniker on all talk pages as it creates unneccesary load on the servers. I learnt this the hard way when I got pulled up for fixing spelling erors on talk archives. (quote from my talk page) "Each time you commit a change you are saving the entire text of the article as a new entry in the database, which is an amount of overhead that simply isn't worth it for fixing miscellaneous errors in old text on talk pages that no one really cares about." Just leave the talk pages as they are. Harryboyles 07:20, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Oops! I've also went back and corrected spelling errors (in the past). Very well, I'll stop these actions, please forgive my inappropiate actions, I was unaware of the headaches it was causing. GoodDay 13:56, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
And you can, of course, make a note on your userpage that you used to be Mightberight/wrong. Skittle 10:25, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

How do I handle an article that is full of errors?[edit]

I am new to Wikipedia. I am a professional dance instructor. I was referred to the article in Wikipedia about East Coast Swing by one of my students. The article is so full of errors that it can not be safely edited. How do I go about asking that the article be removed and totally replaced by correct information for the topic of interest. I have posted an entry to "my talk" and to the topic's discussion page. I feel that this bears more direct and immediate attention though.

--AttitudeDanceStudios 14:23, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

If the article is rubbish feel free to be bold and delete all the wrong information. When you do that use a good edit summary and explain why you did it on the talk page. Hopefully the article will be able to grow nicely after this pruning.--Commander Keane 14:50, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Write a better article, put it in its place and explain what was so wrong about the old article. Mgm|(talk) 15:45, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Feel free to do whatever you like to improve the article, and don't worry too much about messing it up as there are plenty of users round here to fix it. Take a look at WP:BOLD. Andrew 18:16, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Question about Wikipedia:Article size[edit]

Wikipedia:Article size explains that "external links, further reading, references, see also, and similar sections; tables, list-like sections, and similar content; and markup, interwiki links, URLs and similar formatting should not be counted toward an article's total size since the point is to limit readable prose." The Hugo Chávez article is currently (after a lot of work to reduce its size over the last month from 99KB) at 72KB, and is loaded with pictures, (repetitive) templates, tables, and (biased) references. The end result is that, even if the prose is an acceptable size (I think it's not, since it still reads like an ad campaign for Chavez and socialism, and there are multiple lengthy sections that could be split into daughter articles, which would also reduce references), the article is time-consuming to edit on my browser (IE6) because the page takes too long to load. Diffs and history are also difficult to check because of the time they take to load. I have stopped checking diffs because it takes too long. Can someone help me understand the options here? Is this an IE6 problem, or should the article be a size that allows one to easily work on it, and should the lengthy sections be moved to the (already established) daughter articles? It's not productive to try to work on the article, because of its slow load time, but other editors have argued that the article size/length is fine. [1] [2] TIA, Sandy 17:26, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I've just had a very quick look through the talk page, and I think the best thing to do is have a careful read of the Wikipedia:Resolving disputes page. I'd also read lots of policy; it'll really help you to argue your case. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 17:38, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't really consider it a dispute, just a policy I need to understand, and whether it might be related to my browser ? If it's OK for an article to be so long that you can't edit it, then I'm not interested in trying to work on it, so want to understand the issue. Sandy
You can carry out section edits by clicking the "Edit" link by the heading of each section; this will mean that only the Wikicode for the relevant section will be displayed in the edit box. I don't know if this will help (if you've tried it already, just ignore this). Andrew 18:24, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Yes, Andrew, I have done that, and it does help, but my bigger concern is checking history and diffs. When I click on the History tab, and look at last changes, they take too long. I don't believe there is a way around that? Sandy 19:18, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
I've had a look at the diffs of the article Hugo Chávez myself, and I can see your problem. I tried adding section=1 to the end of the URL in the address bar, but it still loads the whole article, which like you say is particularly large (there are 93 references, for example). Since displaying diffs for one section at a time doesn't seem to work, I don't know how you'd get round it. The article is already tagged for cleanup, but I'll see if there's another tag for shortening the length of the article. Andrew 21:43, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
I added the verylong tag, and another editor removed it. I just find it unproductive to work on an article that is this long, and wish we could move out some major chunks of text, to make it easier to edit. I'd like to add back the tag, but not without consensus. Sandy 23:23, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject on open proxies/verified users[edit]

How do you become a "member" to "check the 'openness' of the prxy"? Neither the page here or WP:OP explain how to become "no the list". Anybody know? Thanks, Kilo-Lima|(talk) 18:20, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

You can check the openness of a proxy without being a member, it's a technical skill. If you don't know how to do that then you're probably better off not being a member. If you do and want to join then you should probably ask one of the administrators on this list to add you, assuming you meet their other criteria. --Cherry blossom tree 21:50, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Invisible Page[edit]

This may not be the appropriate place to ask this, but why is the Class of the Titans wikipage never found when I search for it using the search engine here? Or perhaps I should ask, where should I report this apparent glitch?

  • The search index from which the Wikipedia search engine takes its results is updated irregularly on a manual basis by a developer. Apparently Class of the Titans isn't included yet. It's annoying, but not a glitch. Generally, Google takes it in quicker. Try finding articles by adding "" to the end of your google searches. - Mgm|(talk) 20:10, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
    • ... and if you're really asking about the "go" button (not search), although "go" acts like it's case insensitive for most article titles, some require adding a redirect. I've added Class Of The Titans which will let you "go" to this article based on any case entry of the right letters. -- Rick Block (talk) 20:11, 7 June 2006 (UTC)


Me again. I've found this article on the Dead-end pages list. However, I'm having troubles finding the guidelines for the notability of schools here. Where can I find out whether this one meets the criteria? If it doesn't, do I list this at AFD? (I'd move the page to the correct title but I can't yet). Thanks, Charles Cassidy 21:30, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't think there is any guidance on what to do with articles about schools as no one has been able to agree on what makes a school notable. You may find the Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments page interesting as it lists many of the key points made in previous discussions. Road Wizard 21:42, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
It's now been moved to the correct place. I didn't follow any of the school debates, but I understand that any school nominated for AFD will be kept, so there's not much point. --Cherry blossom tree 21:47, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Seeing as it is the only accredited school for people with learning disabilities in the area, I think it's more notable than your regular school. I moved it and did some formatting. - Mgm|(talk) 21:52, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the answers! Another thing I've learned here. Charles Cassidy 22:16, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Rename an article[edit]

I created an article about Helmer Swenholt. Today I found out I have misspelled the name, there is no "d" in the last name (should be Swenholt). Evidently the "d" was dropped by his father. What is the solution to this? I would like to correct the error. I suppose I will have to correc the other linkst, too but how do I rename the original article? Mfields1 23:01, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Click on the "move" tab at the top of the article, provide the correct title and a reason (typo), click "move page", and voila. Using "move" is preferable to "cutting and pasting" because it keeps the page history intact. — TheKMantalk 23:08, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

June 8[edit]

Problem solved.


How can I view my edit count? Geo.plrd 01:12, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

See Special:Contributions/Geo.plrd. You'll have to count them a page at a time. Dismas|(talk) 01:22, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
You can also go here, follow the instructions, and then visit User:Interiot/Tool2/code.js?username=Geo.plrd. Kalani [talk] 01:48, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Spacing help[edit]

I'm working on translating a Spanish Wikipedia article, Lope de Barrientos. At the end of the present text there's a poem which I have translated, attempted to offset the English from the Spanish text with a fair amount of spacing. I used non-breaking spaces to achieve this effect, but it only lines up properly in Internet Explorer; when I look at the page in Firefox, it's all cockeyed. I'm sure there's a better way to do this. Please dazzle me.--Fuhghettaboutit 02:45, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Better? -- Rick Block (talk) 03:50, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
  • I've seen poems and anthems translated in a table side by side. - Mgm|(talk) 04:43, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Which is exactly what Rick has done. Hat's off to you. Much obliged.--Fuhghettaboutit 04:46, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Problem with IP Address??[edit]

I recently looked at Wikipedia and it said I had new messages, even though i wasnt logged in (Nidis is my username, im the only person who uses this computer). But i checked my messages, and i got this as shown below:

User talk: From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search


This IP address,, is registered to Telstra and may be shared by multiple users. Comments left on this page may be received by other users of this IP and appear to be irrelevant. Caution should be used when blocking this IP or reverting its contributions without checking.

If you are an unregistered user operating from this address, note that this need not necessarily be the IP address of your machine. In many cases, it turns out to be the IP address of a proxy server that communicates between your browser and the Wikimedia servers. Such proxies are shared among a huge number of users compared to the number of persons using your particular machine. If you are frustrated by irrelevant comments appearing here, you can avoid them by creating an account for yourself.

However, you might still be unable to edit Wikipedia if the IP you are using is blocked due to a MediaWiki "feature". In such a case you could request to be unblocked.

In the event of vandalism from this address, efforts will be made to contact Telstra to report network abuse.

Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. However, unconstructive edits, such as those you made to John Howard, are considered vandalism. If you continue in this manner you may be blocked from editing without further warning. Please stop, and consider improving rather than damaging the hard work of others. Thanks. Tangotango 06:53, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, as you did to John Howard, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. A link to the edit I have reverted can be found here: link. If you believe this edit should not have been reverted, please contact me. Rjm656s 07:01, 13 May 2006 (UTC) [edit]

Your edit to John Howard

Your recent edit to John Howard was reverted by an automated bot that attempts to recognize and repair vandalism to Wikipedia articles. If the bot reverted a legitimate edit, please accept my humble creator's apologies – if you bring it to the attention of the bot's owner, we may be able to improve its behavior. Click here for frequently asked questions about the bot and this warning. // Tawkerbot2 07:12, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. However, unconstructive edits are considered vandalism, and if you continue in this manner you may be blocked from editing without further warning. Please stop, and consider improving rather than damaging the hard work of others. Thank you. Kevin 07:23, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize a page, as you did to John Howard, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. A link to the edit I have reverted can be found here: link. If you believe this edit should not have been reverted, please contact me. Kevin 07:27, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

You have been temporarily blocked from editing for vandalism of Wikipedia. Please note that page blanking, addition of random text or spam, deliberate misinformation, privacy violations, and repeated and blatant violation of WP:NPOV are considered vandalism. If you wish to make useful contributions, you may come back after the block expires. ~Kylu (u|t) 07:30, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

This is the discussion page for an anonymous user, identified by the user's numerical IP address. Some IP addresses change periodically, and may be shared by several users. If you are an anonymous user and feel that irrelevant comments have been directed at you, please create an account or log in to avoid future confusion with other anonymous users. If you're concerned with privacy, registering also hides your IP address. [RIR WHOIS lookup: America — Europe — Africa — Asia-Pacific — Latin America/Caribbean]

Whats the go? I havent editted any pages about John Howard!! I've only editted a few pages about the band Tool and maybe some pages about anime, and always for the better, not vandalism! Whats the go?

The top of the talk page states: "This IP address,, is registered to Telstra and may be shared by multiple users. Comments left on this page may be received by other users of this IP and appear to be irrelevant." Since you are on a shared IP address, the best way to avoid such messages is to remain logged in. Hope this helps — TheKMantalk 04:47, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
  • It looks like Telstraworks much the same as AOL and shares IP adresses between users. So you may be the only one to use that computer, but not the only one with that IP. If you haven't edited the article in question, you can safely ignore such messages, they'll be meant for someone else. Besides, you say you have a username, but you didn't login. Otherwise your messages would be at User talk:Nidis, not User talk: - Mgm|(talk) 04:49, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

scientfic aptitude questions[edit]

routinly asked questions in scientfic aptitude

  • Please read the instructions at the top of this page. You have not described your problem in full sentences and I suspect this belongs on the reference desk instead as it has nothing to do with how to edit wikipedia. - Mgm|(talk) 09:50, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

How to make bold strokes in math mode[edit]

Hi, I'm wondering how to make a bold stroke in math mode, that is , only in bold. The canonical method <math>\boldsymbol|</math> does not seem to make any difference, . Some pixels are actually different when I view the enlarged image but it's nothing really visible. I tried to make bold strokes using standard wiki syntax, | vs. |, but the outcome is font and font size dependent (I see no difference using the standard font size, for larger fonts it works better). There's a dirty trick using sans serif I's, , but that is a semantically inferior solution. How can I make a reliable, semantically sound bold stroke?--GrafZahl 08:49, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

copyright question[edit]

I asked a question above ([3]) about the deletion of an article, large parts of which were taken from a website. Obviously there were copyright issues here. The article has now been restored, minus the copyvio parts. But I've now come to realise that the person who pasted the text into the article may be the same person who wrote the website. If so, what is the copyright position then? --Richardrj 09:20, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

IANAL, but I believe there would have to be some sort of declaration along the lines of "I, the creator of this copyrighted work, hereby release this text to be licensed under the GFDL, to be used on Wikipedia and all texts that cite it under the terms of that license." They may also be able to add some kind of restriction on it (eg. must be attributed to them in some way), but otherwise I'm pretty sure that's it. Confusing Manifestation 09:36, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for these replies. But how does this work in practice? It's not me that wants to add the copyright material - I personally don't think it's right for the article - it's the original author himself. So I can hardly send him a request for permission. If he wanted to put his own material on WP, where would he make the declaration - on the originating website? On the article's talk page? Or somewhere else? --Richardrj 10:04, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Either by emailing the proper address at Wikipedia:Contact us (using a domain that can be traced to the site in question) or by posting a note to that effect on the site. We can't take their word for it that it's theirs we need to verify they are who they say they are. What article and material are we talking about? - Mgm|(talk) 12:00, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
The article is Test Dept. See my earlier question for the context. Please note, I am just asking this out of curiosity - I don't know for sure that the person who previously uploaded the copyright material is the same person as the owner of the website, nor do I know whether he wishes to restore it. --Richardrj 12:16, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Redirect icon[edit]

Can anyone explain why, when editing, I used to have available to me an icon for "Redirect", but it seems to have disappeared? I'm feeling stupid that I can't work it out for myself! Dweller 10:22, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi. I actually meant the #R that appears on the editing tool bar, but thanks. Interestingly, it has mysteriously returned since I posted my message. Dweller 12:01, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
The #R icon is skin dependent. The icon shows if you are using using the MonoBook (default) skin but not available with Classic. I don't know about the other skins. --hydnjo talk 12:09, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
After checking: the #R icon is available only when using the MonoBook skin. Also, when using the Simple skin there are no edit icons at all. --hydnjo talk 12:23, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Being something of a noob, I've no idea what skins are. I just use IE v6.0. I've not made any amendments to my browser settings before during or after noticing the icon disappear and reappear :-) Dweller 12:37, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
"Skin" refers the overall appearance and formatting of a WP page and is selectable through your "preferences" setting. See Help:Preferences#Skin for more details. --hydnjo talk 12:46, 8 June 2006 (UTC) addendum: If you've made no changes, then I have no clue as to what would make the #R icon go and come back. Anyone? --hydnjo talk 12:55, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

logging in[edit]

Hi um i had this old account but then i forgot the password to it so then i pressed the e-mail new password button when i remembered wheni created my account i had used my old email addreess that i dont use any more so is there like any way i can get my old account back? -- 15:55, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Not unless you can remember the password. Of course, you can always create a new account. --Hetar 18:21, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Next time you switch email address, make sure you know the passwords for all the stuff you signed up for. You generally need your email address to retrieve your password, if you can't access anymore and don't remember the password, there's nothing we can do. - Mgm|(talk) 19:39, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

fission of mercury[edit]

Dear others iam in searching of fission method of mercury, can one of you helph me in this subject.

my e-mail email address removed

Waiting for your Responce

Dr Bhargav

Have you tried the Science section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there. For your convenience, here's the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. --Kwekubo 17:36, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

common wealth list of universities[edit]

hi i want the complete list of common wealth list of universities in world

Have you tried the Humanities section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there. For your convenience, here's the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps.--Kwekubo 17:26, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Need help with images[edit]

in the article hand grenade im trying to make the 2nd picture apear as wide as the one above it, 198px, but it keeps showing up in huge full size.•USER•ADAM THE ATOM•TALK• 17:24, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Looks like it has been fixed by another user. --Hetar 18:20, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Disambiguation page?[edit]

Frida points to a movie page, there should be a way to have it also point to Anni-Frid Lyngstad I think what needs to be done is to create a disambiguation page offering the choice which page?

Is this correct and how is this done? Rujholla 18:03, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Normally, if there is only one other possible use for a term, it is easier to insert a short notice at the top of the article. Check out Frida now and you will see what I'm talking about. --Hetar 18:19, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

cool thx -- Rujholla 18:21, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Potential Spam Victim[edit]

Going through the User Creation Log I saw a new user who had apparently included their email address in their username. [4] I include it here as an external link to avoid posting their email address further. I've raised this issue on their talk page, but I don't really know what the best thing to do would be if they decided they didn't want their email address available for spamming. If they decided this, would it be possible to delete their account? Or are they now stuck with that, but can start a new account to avoid posting their email address in too many places?

Note that I don't know yet whether this will be a concern to them, but I'd like an answer ready ASAP if it is. Thanks for any help. Skittle 18:06, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

You can request a name change at Wikipedia:Changing username. Of course, if the account only has a few edits, it would be easier to just create a new one. New users frequently use their email address as their username, so its not something I view as that big of a deal. Accounts are never deleted btw, but you do have the right to vanish. --Hetar 18:14, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
  • I think a developer would be willing to change that name for them, but the user would need to be aware first. I think I'm going to suggest an addition to Wikipedia:Username and the register screen to recommend not using your email address. -- Mgm|(talk) 19:42, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

bug not fixed[edit]

Using Safari on Mac OS X, I noticed a bug in the mediawiki software - the edit toolbar does not appear when I try to edit a page in this browser. Searching the list of known bugs, I found that someone else had already noticed this - [5]. However, the bug report states that the bug is fixed - it isn't. The edit toolbar still doesn't appear with Safari. Can anyone help? Thanks very much. --Richardrj 19:50, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

You might want to bring this up at the technical section of the Village pump, for technical issues. -- Natalya 20:11, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
I've done this now. Thanks very much! --Richardrj 04:21, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Are you using the browser's most recent version? -= Mgm|(talk) 04:58, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Apparently not. I'll look into that tonight. Thanks! --Richardrj 08:18, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

How do I Make A Discography?[edit]

Hi there!

Can you please give me some assistance for how to make a discography for an artist?

There are many ways of doing it - a simple list, a table or something more expansive and probably many more. You should probably decide which style you like and click "edit this page" to see how the effect was achieved. If you have any more specific questions feel free to come back. --Cherry blossom tree 23:26, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Watching out for new entries in a category?[edit]

Is there any way I can be notified when a new entry appears in a given category? Watching the category page itself doesn't seem to do what I want. Thanks for your help. -- noosphere 22:53, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

You can't, I'm afraid. Because pages are added to categories by editing the page itself rather than the category, you'd have to be watching that page to see the change. --Cherry blossom tree 23:23, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
The only solution I can think of is to get a Bot to do the scanning for you at regular intervals. I am pretty sure there are bots which do category watching currently. Ansell 00:58, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
The "Related changes" link (in the navigation frame on the left) on a category page shows changes to articles in the category which includes the change adding an article to a category. Although not exactly what you want, this seems pretty close. See Help:Related changes. -- Rick Block (talk) 13:29, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

June 9[edit]

Legal question[edit]

Am I allowed to post a direct link to the Paska Ankka webcomics? According to the Finnish Aku Ankka (Donald Duck) comic, Paska Ankka violates their copyright, and as such I think the webcomics are illegal. Is it still allowed to post a direct link to them? JIP | Talk 04:04, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

If you think the web site in question is infringing, you should probably avoid linking to it. The Wikipedia guideline on external links says: "External sites can possibly violate copyright. Linking to copyrighted works is usually not a problem, as long as you have made a reasonable effort to determine that the page in question is not violating someone else's copyright. If it is, please do not link to the page. Whether such a link is contributory infringement is currently being debated in the courts, but in any case, linking to a page that illegally distributes someone else's work sheds a bad light on us (see Wikipedia:Copyrights and in particular Contributors' rights and obligations)." Hope this helps. MCB 06:32, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

modifying the information provided by a template[edit]

Hi there, I'm working on the article [KPSU] and just found the "radio stations in Portland, OR" template which you can see here:

{{Portland(OR) AM}}

{{Portland(OR) FM}}

Since KPSU is both an AM and a FM station I'd like to stick KSPU into that template somehow, but I can't figure out how to do it. Is it possible? Thanks a lot. You can message me at my userpage.Katsam 04:44, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Simply edit Template:Portland(OR) AM and Template:Portland(OR) FM and insert links to KSPU. Kalani [talk] 05:04, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Adding a link next to "my contributions"[edit]

I'd like to add the link "random image" to the list of links at the top of all my Wikipedia pages, next to "my contributions". I think I've seen screenshots of things like this done before; maybe you modify monobook.css or something like that. I looked around in the help pages for a while, but I couldn't find anything that said how to do this. —Bkell (talk) 07:34, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Image Tag[edit]

I asked the United Nations for a photo and they replied:

"These photographs may be used only in editorial contexts and not for advertising purposes." They said that they are giving it to me for free and for use in Wikipedia.

But what type of tag can be given to this? will it still be useful? Or should I just go back to them and ask for another GFDL permission? Thanks! R Davidson 09:04, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Wikipedia material should be free for re-use including commercial purposes. If they only allow use on Wikipedia (and not outside it) and restrict it to non-commercial, I'm afraid you can't use it. - Mgm|(talk) 09:27, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Restriction on non-registered users?[edit]

When was article creation for non-registered users restricted, and what is the rationale? Additionally, was this a debate? If so, where can I find the relevant discussion page? 14:31, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

  • The rationale is that if vandals/creators of nonsense pages have to register, they are less likely to bother - and that a high percent of such pages were coming from anon users. The discussion says it is at the WP:VP/T, but its been archived, and I dunno in which archive, dig around in there if you want to find it. While I'm all for letting anons edit, I have to admit that the creation of speedy-deletable articles has gone way, way down since this rule. Creating an account is easy, free, and still completely anonymous if you want it to be. (More, actually, since it hides your IP). -Goldom (t) (Review) 14:42, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
    • The restriction has been in place since at least December of last year. It was done by executive fiat (from Jimbo Wales), so although there was discussion after the fact there was no debate and consensus leading to this change. -- Rick Block (talk) 18:48, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Question about a strange use of page[edit]

There is a page I've been watching for a few days, which I feel is probably just in the wrong place. However, I have too little knowledge on the subject to know where it should go. The article in question is Cell biology (disambiguation). I mentioned my concern to the creator on the talk page - namely, that this is not a disambiguation. I felt it would better be placed at "list of... something". He wrote a lengthy reply, but to be honest I'm not really sure what he's trying to say. I think someone who knows about the topic should probably look at it and reccommend what to do. If anyone here can, that would be great, or if there is a better place to post this? (I don't know of any places to ask for review that aren't either to see how great it is, or resolve a dispute, neither of which really apply.) -Goldom (t) (Review) 15:08, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

  • OK, you're right, it needs a move. It's actually great work on MaxEnt's part but it's not in the right place. I've backed the suggestion on the talk page to that effect, and will act on it soon enough once MaxEnt has had time to read and reply. If I seem to be forgetting about this, please give me a nudge within a week or so on my talk page. Cheers. — Estarriol talk 16:23, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Oops. Should I not have moved it then? I have, just now. Max didn't seem to be against the rename, just talking about how important he found the page. Skittle 16:48, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
      • No, that's OK. It was an obvious move, and nobody would really have a leg to stand on in arguing against it. Good work. — Estarriol talk 17:07, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
        • Thanks guys! That's where I thought it should go, but couldn't tell if he had a problem with it or not. I'm glad I didn't mark it for deletion back when he started it and it looked like a pile of nonsense - maybe something good's come out of it. -Goldom (t) (Review) 01:25, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Password change question[edit]

Someone [not me] from IP address

[which has been repeatedly blocked for vandalism -- it's the Maine public schools shared IP] tried to reset my password.

Someone's just bored and playing with the blinkenlights, I think.

Could code be written to allow specifying IP addresses _from_which_ a given password can be changed, or possible to extend blocking to password changes?

It's just an annoyance, I can also just filter these messages if it continues of course.

  • Ignore such messages if you didn't request them. The whole point of being able to request a password change is to make sure the owner can do it no matter what machine they're on. Blocking certain IPs from doing so wouldn't be effective. If you don't use the password, the requester can't use it either. - Mgm|(talk) 19:06, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

New article[edit]

how do i start a brand new article?

Take a look at Wikipedia:Your first article. --Hetar 17:10, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia's Many Hyperlinks[edit]

Wikipedia hyperlinks almost every word. In an article on history, for example, dates are linked twice - once for month/day and once for year. Very handy! But a bit obtrusive at times. I merge related Wikipedia pages into a single document, and remove the links one at a time. Is there a way to delete all in one swell foop? -- 17:58, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Where such deletion is appropriate (and in most cases it would seem to me to be inappropriate), you can go into edit mode, copy the entire document, paste into a word processing program, do a search and replace function separately of "[" and of "]", placing nothing in the replace field. This will remove all the brackets, and thus remove all internal wiki links.--Fuhghettaboutit 18:04, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Linking the month and day and the year separately allows for the user preferences on how to display dates to kick in. Only remove such links if they're not right behind each other. - Mgm|(talk) 19:08, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Can a warning be a WP:NPA violation?[edit]

Let's pretend there is a Wikipedia contributor with a habitual problem of breaking a certain Wikipedia policy or guideline. I inform him that the next time he engages in his suspect behaviour I will file a Request for Comments on the matter to get the opinions of more editors. I would tell him in the politest possible way, of course. Would it be good form to tell him this is the absolutely last warning and give him a last chance to mend the error of his ways? Or is "one more time and we'll go to RfC" considered incivil or threatening a fellow editor? Weregerbil 18:41, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I would go with the warnings and use RfC as a last resort, however I don't see that is being uncivil in any way. --Pilot|guy (roger that) 18:45, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

  • I can see how "one more time and I'll go to RFC can be threatening, but it's not uncivil. You'd have to be calling the editor in question a jerk, ass, stupid nitwit or vandal to qualify said warning as a personal attack. - Mgm|(talk) 19:10, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Fixing a redirect[edit]

The article Buu no longer insta-directs to Majin Buu, even after the proper fixtures for a redirect have been placed. Instead, the page is blank, leaving two articles. Is this a glitch or something else? Voice of Treason 19:46, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

  • The redirect works for me now. Are you sure no one edited it after the redirect stuff was put in place? - Mgm|(talk) 20:54, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
I may just need to clear my cache, other users couldn't see it either. Voice of Treason 21:17, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
That was it. Sorry about that. Voice of Treason 21:24, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

How do change the name of an article to an existing redirect?[edit]

Right now, there is a discussion to change the name of the "Lindy Hop" article to "Lindy hop" to reflect the fact that the topic is not a proper noun and is not normally capitalized. However, the "Lindy hop" article already exists as a redirect to "Lindy Hop". This means that we cannot change the name of the article simply by using the "Move" command. The only other thing I can think of is to manually copy and paste the material from "Lindy Hop" to "Lindy hop", but I would have to do this to both the article and its talk page, and it would overwrite the existing material on the existing "Lindy hop" talk page. Is there another accepted method to handle this? --Cswrye 20:09, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I have done the move (since as an admin I can delete pages). What you needed to do was get an admin to do the move. Never do a cut and paste move, I am thankful you asked here :-).--Commander Keane 20:38, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
For the full answer (as in where do you find an admin to do that), see: WP:RM /wangi 21:26, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Dealing with a problem user[edit]

I just had a message left on my talk page accusing me of adding inappropriate images to an article. As I'd never edited the article I checked and found it was left by an IP which I'd left a BV template on for blanking and vandalising another article. Obviously I reverted his addition to my talk page, but should he continue to be harrassing where can I take it to be dealt with? --Crossmr 20:47, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

You can report a vandal at Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism. However, you should warn the vandal first with a series of appropriate messages. Some templates for this are at Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace. Before posting there, a final warning should have been given (such as {{test3}}, {{test4}} or {{blatantvandal}}) and the vandal must have vandalized within the last few hours, including after the final warning--Fuhghettaboutit 22:48, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
As I said, this was left after I left {{blatantvandal}} on the talk page of the IP for vandalising an article. I've left him another, if he continues I'll post there. Thank you. --Crossmr 23:03, 9 June 2006 (UTC)



I was reading the article about the u.s.s wisconsin and instead of a photo showing the ship. It Is a picture of a naked person who's upside down and something is coming out of their anus. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 07:44, 10 June 2006

Someone's reverted the vandalism. It was picked up in just one minute and I guess you must have been unfortunate enough to view the page befroe the revert. Vandalism is a big problem and we have ways of dealing with it. See Wikipedia:Vandalism for more info.




Hi Rabab. All you need to do to become a registered user is to go to Special:Userlogin and create an account. There are benefits to creating an account. Anyone can edit almost every page, whether registered or not, simply by clicking on the edit this page tab at the top of all articles—there are no prerequisites to "becoming a Wikipedian"; just jump in and contribute; be bold. Before you start editing though, I would suggest you peruse the Wikipedia:tutorial. This will help you avoid many newcomer mistakes, such as typing in all caps. Best of luck.--Fuhghettaboutit 22:32, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

changes are being rolled back[edit]

My changes are not being saved any more. They get rolled back. Why is that? Thanks—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bdhooper (talkcontribs) .

  • You should ask Jon Awbrey at his talk page. At around the time you were editing, an IP was editing as well. Your edits might've caught up in his reversion of the IP's edits. - Mgm|(talk) 22:54, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

June 10[edit]

Who created the Disestablishments by Year category?[edit]

Why created Category:Disestablishments by Year thingy?? Who created it?


Calm Down...I see that your link is red, so perhaps you either spelt it wrong or are reffering to the wrong thing. Please clarify what Category you are referring to clearly. Wikipedia "The Updater" Stubmechanic 11:03, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
I think the user was refering to Category:Disestablishments by year (the Y in year is not capitalised). Road Wizard 11:27, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

change ip[edit]

i want to change my ip address. or you can say hide my ip address is their any way to do it.

Sure, once you create an account your ip adress will be hidden. More info at Wikipedia:Why create an account? --Hetar 04:01, 10 June 2006 (UTC
Your IP is assigned by your internet service provider. If you dial up, you'll probably get a different one each login. If you're DSL/Cable, you probably have either a perminant one, or at least it doesn't change more than once a week or so. If you don't want it showing up on wikipedia, you can register an account - it's free, gives you lots more abilities, and will only show your username instead of an ip. (sorry for dupe answer, edit conflict) -Goldom (t) (Review) 04:03, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

B.Ed results[edit]

We want to see B.Ed results. Exam was given through paniv centre under SNDT womens university mumbai. centre code is 125 centre name is PANIV. How to see the results.

what is big bang theory

Contacting numbers of users[edit]

Is there any easy way of contacting (OK, spamming...) a number of specific users in one go? I'd like to post messages to memebers of a project, but find that there isn't a single talk page that all regularly use. Cheers. 4u1e 07:16, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Which project? All WikiProjects have an associated talk page that members should be looking at. WikiProjects are, by and large, the main medium for addressing large numbers of related users about a particular subject. You are welcome to leave follow-up queries on my talk page. — Estarriol talk 10:56, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Yes, they should be looking at the project page, but people can forget such things. If stuff is posted on a talk page, you get informed no matter what page you look at. No watch list required. - Mgm|(talk) 12:29, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Or you could always copy and paste, but it you have the AutoWikiBrowser, you can add the users' talk pages you want to add the text to, then add the actualy text in the second tab of the program and then click go. It will the load up all of the users' talk pages and add in all of the text. Hope this helps. Kilo-Lima|(talk) 11:49, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice. Yes, I know they should be looking at the project page, but there's a much bigger response when you put messages on their own talk pages, so I suspect that they are not (it's easy to get lost in Wikipedia!). I'll try the AutoWikibrowser thing, Kilo-Lima, thanks. I assume that etiquette demands that one doesn't do this too often though, it could get annoying quite quickly! 4u1e.

Map Legends[edit]

In the deep dark recesses of my memory, I remember seeing a map on a Wiki article with an external legend (that was part of the frame, i.e. not part of the picture) - probably set up as a template. I can't for the life of me find the article or figure out how to do this. Does it ring a bell to anyone? If so, would you be able to contact me on my talk page? Thanks! -- PageantUpdater 07:57, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Do you mean such as in Richard Francis Burton#Exploring the lakes of central Africa (1856 – 1860)? That's a simple caption to an image, you can look at the source of that section for how to do it. — Estarriol talk 10:58, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Unfortunately not, the map I remember had a caption with coloured squares and text beside them (to explain coloured sections on the map). Thanks for trying though :) -- PageantUpdater 11:09, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Ah, I think you mean a map key. Sorry, can't help there. — Estarriol talk 12:11, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
I too am unware of any external-to-the-image legend template. On the maps I've created recently (Image:Lake Texcoco c 1519 .png and Image:Aztec Empire c 1519.png), I created the legend directly in the map. Sorry, Madman 21:18, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

recognition of BE(Mech) pass out 1990 from S S Govt Engineering college,Bhavnagar,Gujarat[edit]

I would like to know whether 1990 pass out BE(Mech) from S S Govt Engineering College,Bhavnagar,Gujarat is eligible for AMIE membership and Chartered Engineership.

Thanks S K Joshi email address removed 09879597906

Firefox extension for CSD[edit]

I've read about someone who used Firefox's tabbed browsing capability to open a bunch of CSD tagged articles at once, then go through each of them to delete them with a speed that an unsuspecting user thought they were using a bot. Is there an extension that allows you to open a bunch of selected links in new tabs? I can only open one link at a time. - Mgm|(talk) 12:33, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I have a mouse gestures extension that lets me open links in new tabs in the background by dragging the link down with my right mouse button. In this way I can open many links very quickly. —Bkell (talk) 13:19, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
  • I am not sure about an extension, but you can bookmark a series of pages in a folder then return later and choose "Open in tabs" from the menu. This will open all of the links in the folder simultaneously as a set of tabs. Road Wizard 14:28, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
  • I was kind of hoping to do the selecting of said links all at once too. - Mgm|(talk) 14:37, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
    • There is the Copy All Urls Add-on, though I have never used it myself. One drawback I can see from the description is that you will need the links to be in the correct format beforehand. Road Wizard 15:52, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
The Firefox extension I have is simply called "Mouse Gestures", though there are several others that do similar things. I have a rather old version (1.0), and it has some bugs, but maybe they're fixed now. The idea of mouse gestures is that you can hold down the right mouse button and "draw" pictures to do different things. For example, I have mine configured so that holding down the right mouse button, dragging the mouse to the left, and releasing the button is the same as clicking the Back button. Dragging to the right is the same as Forward, dragging down is either "new tab" or "open this link in a new tab" (depending on whether the mouse pointer moves over a link or not), and dragging up is "close tab". You can enable more complex actions too; I have "up then left" configured to mean "go to the parent directory", and "down then up" means "duplicate this tab". Other mouse gestures include "rocking", where you depress the right mouse button, depress the left mouse button, release the right mouse button, and release the left mouse button. These can be configured to do things, but I don't have any actions associated with them. I tend to keep things simple and only have six or eight actions associated with mouse gestures.
Alternately, you can download Opera, which has mouse gestures built in. In my experience the Opera mouse gestures work a lot better than the Firefox ones do (you can do mouse gestures anywhere in the window, for example, not only in the browser pane), although as I said I use a rather old version of the Firefox extension, and it's probably been improved.
You can't select a rectangular region of the screen and open all links in that area with Mouse Gestures, nor is there some kind of "open all links on this page" option. If that's what you're looking for, I can't help you there. But common actions like Back and Forward, and opening links in new background tabs, are much quicker and easier with mouse gestures. —Bkell (talk) 19:12, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
  • If I draw the line through the links I want to open, then move right-up-left it will open said links in new tabs. Not the figure I was looking for, but it'll do the job nicely. Thanks! - Mgm|(talk) 20:24, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

info about software engineering[edit]

my name rahul monde.Can get some info about software engineering,if you can then contact me.

Removed email address, user has a Wikipedia account: User:Monde rahul. EvocativeIntrigue 14:50, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Replied on user's talk page [User talk:Monde rahul|here]] (found user in page history). EvocativeIntrigue 14:48, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

contribute article[edit]

How do I submit a topic/article?

See Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia#Create new articles Computerjoe's talk 15:18, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Editing those universe tables[edit]

How do you edit those things at the bottom of pages that list related articles and what are they called? I tried to look this up in the help section, but I didn't get anywhere since I didn't know what they were called. Here's an example. I'm trying to edit that table at the bottom to include this game. How would I do so? Ace of Sevens 15:30, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I think you are talking about [6]. If you want to edit it, just click "edit this page". In the future, if you want to edit something similar to that, just click "edit this page" at the top of the article, scroll down and look for something like {{xenaverse}} (it should be enclosed in {{}})), then, type it into your address bar, so it looks like this:

--Pilot|guy (roger that) 15:39, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

They're called templates, see Help:Template. When you edit a page that includes any templates, in the page source they look as described above (in double curly braces). On the edit page, below the source for the page, there's a list of links to templates included on the page. -- Rick Block (talk) 16:35, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Jonathon Coudrille[edit]

Help please; i was advised by Charles thompson to edit a page on the artist Jonathon Coudrille, And in attempting to uploud the copyright logo used to sign the paintings i seem to have violated my own copyright. I do not have broadband; I am an old man. evidently also an idiot. I may die before i succeed with this task. please help, in simple old-fashioned language. Jay Hazelwood. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jay Hazelwood (talkcontribs) .

I went ahead and fixed the problem for you. You had just confused the copyright tags that were used. Instead of {{copyright}} you should have used {{logo}}. --Hetar 17:32, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

June 11[edit]

Searching WP[edit]

Is there a way to manually reach the "search with google/yahoo" screen that comes up when a normal search fails for technical problems? I find it almost always works better, but see no way to choose to get there. -Goldom (t) (Review) 01:21, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Go striaght to google and add to your searches.Geni 03:11, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
More information can be found at Wikipedia:Search#External search engines, including a link to a Google search of Wikipedia. — QuantumEleven 13:14, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Need function or name of a specific CIA building in Langley[edit]

To the rear (west)of the New Headquarters Building and northeast of the parking garage of the Central Intelligence Agency is a long and low building (windowless I think) which can be seen on Google Earth satellite photos. Is this a warehouse or is it possibly the printing plant? I am a CIA enthusiast and collector of facility photos.

All I want to know is either the formal name of the building or its function. Thanks very much. 02:55, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that's what this Help Desk is for). For your convenience, here's the link: Reference Desk (when you get there, just select the relevant section, and ask away). I hope this helps. Tangotango 05:48, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Is something wrong with your Malcom X article?[edit]

First I would like to say I love Wikipedia. I have spent many of nights sitting in front of my computer, reading many of your articles. I have lost countless hours that were well spent reaping the endless knowledge of your site,

My question is, is there something wrong with your Malcom X site? It is only a few strange sentences.

(email removed to protect from spam) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 05:41, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

There was some vandalism; all fixed now. Malcolm X is all there for your enjoyment. :) --Ashenai 05:46, 11 June 2006 (UTC)



  • Symbol move vote.svg This page is for questions about editing Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. P.S. Please read the instructions at the top and do not post in all capital letters. On the internet that is considered shouting, which is rude. - Mgm|(talk) 08:24, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

ISBN numbers in references.[edit]

I am using a book (Monty Python's The Life of Brian/MONTYPYTHONSCRAPBOOKOFBRIANOFNAZERETH) as a reference. My copy is a first edition, published in 1979. As such it has a 9 digit ISBN number. This version is now out of print.

The book has been re-published by a different publisher which has a modern (for now! I know they're changing again next year) 10 digit ISBN number. Which one should I use in the reference on wilipedia, the version I used or the one which is currently available? Fork me 09:13, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Use the ISBN of the book you used, as it's quite possible the new edition was updated. You can always mention a new version with another ISBN is available as well, but the first ISBN should certainly be included. - Mgm|(talk) 10:33, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Thanks! Fork me 10:36, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Watching a section of an article[edit]

Is it possible to watch a single section of an article and not the entire page? Suppose, for example, I want to monitor an external links section for spam, but I don't care what happens to the rest of the article. Can I have changes to the external links section only appear on my watchlist? Please reply on my talk page. Thanks! --Grace 09:49, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Since sections can be renamed and moved, it's impossible to check on changes to a specific section. There's nothing static to identify them with. - Mgm|(talk) 10:39, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
    • That's unfortunate, but I'll manage. Thanks! --Grace 12:19, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Spelling for search in other language sections[edit]

Do I need to switch to some other keyboard and font to access e.g. the German Wikipedia? Found that an English search for 'Martin Niemoller' turned up information which differed from the stuff I'd been fed in years past, so I thought I might struggle with a German version (once knew a very little Latin, a bit more French, but no German beyond 'eine bier, bitte' so struggle would be correct). However there seemed to be no entries, perhaps because I couldn't enter an umlaut over the 'o' (?) I could use Opera but prefer the text-only 'links' browser for most purposes.

  • See de:Martin_Niemöller. You can use ASCII to enter such characters. I typed Alt + 148 to get the o-umlaut. On the bottom of any edit screen is a bunch of such characters you can enter, so as a workaround you could use a user subpage to create a link to such German articles. - Mgm|(talk) 10:43, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Two tips:

  • You can look at the interlanguage links on the english wikipedia. Looking at the left margin in the article Martin Niemoller, there is a box called "in other languages". Clicking on the language names takes you to the same article in another language (if it exists).
  • The transcription 'oe' is often used for 'ö' when using only the letters a-z. Trying to search for 'Martin Niemoeller' at the german wikipedia sends you to the correct article.

Sverdrup❞ 10:51, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

  • A further tip is to search Wikipedia through Google, as their search engine will automatically adjust to compensate for accents. So writing site: "Martin Niemoller" in Google returns all the pages in all Roman character languages that are about him or mention him. Hope this helps. Road Wizard 11:00, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Reference desk archive[edit]

Hi. I would like some help with a problem over at the Wikipedia:Reference desk archive. The May archive for the Science desk has exceeded the maximum page size, so everything from 21 May onwards has not been archived by Crypticbot. I have raised the question of the best way to set up a second May archive at Wikipedia talk:Reference desk, and I would appreciate some suggestions. The problem had already been raised with Crypticbot's owner, but they haven't been active on Wikipedia since March. Thank you in advance for any help you can provide. Road Wizard 10:45, 11 June 2006 (UTC)


Can someone with more image experience than me please take a look at standard test image and the uploads by User:Petit. The image I've seen there have no source or copyright info attached since February 19 (which is a very big no-no and I doubt something useful can be said to warrant an article on standard test images to begin with. - Mgm|(talk) 12:26, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

We already have an article on just one of the images (Lenna) so I think more could be said about the entire subject. Rmhermen 18:36, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Gardening TV Show[edit]

Hello I do a Gardening TV show in Wisconsin. How do I get a listing on your site?. Thank You Arlena.

Removed email address and website to protect user from spam.

Regional issues[edit]

How do I search for environmental problems in a specific region for issues such as soil degration, air or water pollution, pesticide misuse, overpopulation, or wildlife extinction. And how do I find the root of these issues and what the government is doing to rectify such issues. Thank-You

  • Do you have a specific country or region in mind, or are you looking for sources from all across the world? If you can clarify that, we will be able to give you a more focussed answer. Thanks. Road Wizard 16:37, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Poconos in Pa[edit]

I am looking for information on the Poconos in Pa. Thank-you () —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 19:33, 11 June 2006 UTC.

Wikipedia's search bar is in the left panel at the top of the page. Search for Poconos in Pa and you should find what you need. If not, head over to the Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Miscellaneous. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 17:59, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Previous search entries[edit]

How do i delete previous search entries? 18:33, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

  • I'm sorry, but I don't understand the question. Delete search entries from where? Road Wizard 18:37, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
  • If you mean the list of articles you previously searched for in the search box to the left of your screen. That is a browser feature and the answer would depend on the browser you're using. - Mgm|(talk) 20:27, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

is there such a thing as wiki music notation[edit]

musicians could contribute to wiki more if there was a tool to enable the input of musical notation (ie to display the actual notation on the national anthems page.) is there already a tool for this or could someone make one?? also i could put examples on the jazz pages etc (obviously i would check with you on copywrite issues) 18:48, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

I think music markup is recognised as a good idea, but perhaps our resources (develpers etc) are limited. What I found:

Partial saves[edit]

Lately i often encounter that when i save a page only a part of it is actually saved and it is cut in the middle. It can get nasty and i may be accused of vandalism, even though it would be unintentional, see here for an example. It happened to my on two different computers which are connected through two completely different ISP's.

It also happens when i'm doing a "Show changes" operation. Any ideas? --Amir E. Aharoni 19:12, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Can you provide a link to another time it happened. It might help in trying to spot a common pattern. Thanks. Road Wizard 19:24, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
  • I think that could be a browser issue. If your browser can have only a limited amount of text in an input field, it can cut off any 'excess' what browser (name and version) are you using and what operating system? - Mgm|(talk) 20:29, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
    • I think possibly the same thing happened here. You'll see I reverted it as possible vandalism, and you can see my confusion in the edit summary. Do you think this conversation should be taken to Village Pump (Technical) or somewhere similar? AndyJones 20:48, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Do you use Google Toolbar? That has caused similar problems for multiple users, including me. — Knowledge Seeker 03:32, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Road Wizard: here's another time it happened. Luckily it's just my user page.
MacGyverMagic: Windows XP SP2 and latest version of Firefox. That's what i always used. Firefox was indeed upgraded not so long ago and it might be related. But it doesn't happen all the time.
AndyJones: Your example looks similar indeed.
Knowledge Seeker: I use Google Toolbar, the official version for Firefox. It also was updated not so long ago.
Village Pump technical - experienced bug reporters are welcome to move this conversation to any appropriate place. If you do, please notify me where it went.
Thanks. --Amir E. Aharoni 05:41, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

No "edit this page" link[edit]

I want to edit this article:

but there is no "edit this page" link at the top of the article. I think this is a bug in the Wiki software.

  • The page is semi-protected, which means that non-logged in users and very new users can't edit it. This is probably because McKinney's a controversial figure and the article is thherefore a vandal magnet. After some number of hours--96 maybe--the edit tab will appear for you just like it does on most articles. · rodii · 19:39, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Instead of an "edit this page" button, it should be a "view source" button (except for Special: pages) Harryboyles 03:14, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Change Name of Article[edit]

How do I change the name of my article that I have already started? Dvori 19:38, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

  • As you are a registered user, you will have access to the "Move" command at the top of the page. See Wikipedia:Naming conventions for the policy on choosing the correct name for your article, then Help:Moving a page for instructions on how to carry out the move. Road Wizard 19:42, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Song Lyrics[edit]

Hi! I know that song lyrics shouldn't be posted on Wikipedia but is it OK to post links to sites with them on? Thanks --Mahahahaneapneap 19:37, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

I was having trouble with this earlier today: Rock DJ (song) does, I think, link to a site with lyrics of the song, and lyrics are, I suppose, a vital part of understanding the song, but there are so many lyric sites out there it may be a conflict of interest to link to them.
You can, as far as I've seen, use some lyrics to illustrate points- such as in Because of You (Kelly Clarkson song), but, as you said, lyrics shouldn't be copied into articles as they are (generally) copyrighted. Perhaps this could answer your question then: as the lyric sites (in the main) do not have consent to post the copyrighted material on their sites, and Wikipedia (rightly) discourages links to sites which infringe copyright, linking to the sites should be avoided.
However, if the links are to be included, I think links to these pages should probably be limited in some way (i.e. just one per article at the very maximum), and preferably none at all, unless the addition of the link really improves understanding in the article, or if the site in question was used to transcribe some lyrics to the article (in which case the link should go under the "References" section) for the purposes described above.
Most official sites for artists do contain lyrics, though, so I'd just link to the official artist's site.
You may want some more opinions first, though, to get a concensus of the community.
Kindest regards,

EvocativeIntrigue TALK | EMAIL 20:16, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. I've mainly been working on articles about Muse which have an official website with their lyrics on ( Thanks again. --Mahahahaneapneap 21:54, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:External links#Occasionally acceptable links. Links to pages which violate copyright are discouraged. User:Zoe|(talk) 23:47, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Page counters / Statistics[edit]

Does Wikipedia keep statistics of how often articles or other pages are read, and if so, are these statistics available to users? It would be useful to know how often pages I've created are looked at. --Tivedshambo 20:36, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Individual stats for each page's visitor count are not recorded (something to due with the server setup). Check out Special:Statistics though, for general stuff.--Commander Keane 20:58, 11 June 2006 (UTC)


I want to edit a category, but when i tried to edit it all it said was Category: Power Rangers episodes

So how do I edit the actual category

user: candyo32

Candyo32 20:56, 11 June 2006 (UTC) please answer by putting it on my talk page!

  • Heading to their talk page...- Mgm|(talk) 21:31, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

What is the right order to place this items?[edit]

Hello there, i am some kind of new at Wikipedia and i have been trying to find a specific Help page to find the proper order to place the following items. In other words; what it should be the right order (adopted a consensus) to place this items at the bottom of any article; should be :

  1. (A) Used at Hydrochloric acid
    1. See also: (Other wiki-articles related to a the article)
    2. External links: (Online web references)
    3. Notes
    4. References: (Including books or magazines)


  1. (B) used at Eigenvectors
    1. Notes
    2. References
    3. See also
    4. External links

I would appreciate if someone can answer to my question promptly :) --HappyApple 21:42, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Guide_to_layout#Standard_appendices--Commander Keane 21:53, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

finding out a store name that has come and gone[edit]

Hi, I am trying to get a history on the store space in Garfield Hts. oh,.. i am tring to remember the name of the store that was there back in the seventies and eighties How would i do that or does anyone know....

How to welcome newcomer[edit]

I can't find the name of the template for the Welcome! message - I'd like to place it on a new user's talk page (as I've just listed his first article for speedy deletion - actually been deleted as I write!). Is this template something that could be mentioned on the Wikipedia:Welcome, newcomers page? -- MightyWarrior 23:33, 11 June 2006 (UTC) -- Please reply on my talk page.

June 12[edit]

Complex copyright question (I think)[edit]

Subject says it all. I hate copyrights but we all have to comply with them so here goes...

  • What is the right thing to do with regard to screenshots of copyrighted software, which would possibly be hard to obtain but are on other websites but not the site of the copyright-owner of the software?
  • For example, the article SpyAxe (which I did a rather big edit to) doesn't have a screenshot, yet some of the websites in references and external links do have screenshots of it. With SpyAxe being a potentially unwanted program, how would one get a screenshot of it if the creator doesn't have one on their website?
  • As a side-note, when is someone no longer a newbie? :)

TheJC TalkContributions 00:32, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Personally I believe this still falls under fair use. If you wanted to be certain you could send them an e-mail as for permission to use it in that article, but I believe an image or two would serve a legitimate informative purpose in that article and its unreasonable to ask you to infect your computer with spyware to take a screenshot. oh and if you need to ask, not yet :) --Crossmr 00:44, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the timely response. :) TheJC TalkContributions 01:12, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Or you could use (or ask someone to use) a sandbox to get a screenshot which would make things extremely clear. However unless the screenshots exhibit some degree of creativity, I believe would probably simply be regarded as accurate reproductions and therefore are not in themselves copyrightable in the US (similar to accurate photographs of art I believe). Note however that this doesn't apply to parts of Europe (of course, fair use there is also different). So IMHO it would be far better if we had screenshots that are simply fair use and not screenshots which might be questionable legality elsewhere (this way people outside the US who are reproducing wikipedia only have to determine that theY can legally use screenshots in the manner they are being used rather then trying to determine if they can legally use screenshots that were taken from elsewhere). Nil Einne 18:02, 19 June 2006 (UTC)


WHAT A COMPUTER MONITOR? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 02:34, 12 June 2006 UTC.

You may find the article on the computer monitor useful. Please search Wikipedia in the future, and if you still have questions about technology, consult the science Reference Desk. Dar-Ape 02:52, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Being perverse and pedantic, I can't help but add that it may also refer to a prefect who is in charge of looking after the computers. Being rational, I can't help but add that this is unlikely to be the answer to your question. But it might make some other pedants smile. Not that there's many of them using Wikipedia. Dweller 17:39, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Moxifloxacin structure trouble[edit]


I recently added the Drugbox to the moxifloxacin article, and uploaded an image i created of its structure to the Commons. However, the image doesn't seem to be displaying properly; when I open the article, I simply see a link to the image titled "Moxifloxacin chemical structure". Any ideas as to why this is going on? Thanks, Fvasconcellos 01:59, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

  • I did a test edit and I can include the entire image, but I get the same error when I try to downsize it. How did you create the image? -0 07:59, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
  • It looks like you have done everything correctly. I added a few images today (chemical structure images like yours, in fact) and I have the same problem. My guess is there is some type of database error ongoing today that prevents scaled images from being created or displaying properly; hopefully it will be cleared up soon. 17:21, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
    • I created it on ACD/ChemSketch 8.0 and exported to .PNG on The GIMP. Not to stray from the subject at hand or anything, but does anyone know of any molecule editors that export directly to .PNG? Fvasconcellos 22:12, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Better would be SVG, if you can get it. —Bkell (talk) 22:57, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
    • ChemDraw will export .png files, but I don't know if there are any free versions like ChemSketch. --Ed (Edgar181) 11:33, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
I agree, SVG would be far far better. Perhaps you can print it to a PS filesand see if it preserves it as a vector? And if it does convert it to SVG. Nil Einne 18:05, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia policy - half done pages[edit]

The WP pages are a mess, and I was wondering if there's a good page on this.

When a newbie makes his first article, and it's done slapdash with a gigantic disclaimer proclaiming "dont delet this plz its not done" I want to bite and speedy it, but what do I say? That they need to finish their article before publishing? Aren't all pages works in progress?

Is there a wikipedia policy page on how "done" a page needs to be before being created? If not, there should be, that would be very valuable, especially to new users, and especially if linked from WP:Welcome, newcomers.

--Froth 05:51, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

The most relevent page I know of to answer your inquiry is WP:STUB. Basically, a half done article—a stub—is an article that is "too short to be genuinely useful, but not so short as to be useless. In general, it must be long enough to at least define the article's title, which generally means 3 to 10 short sentences." The opposite end of the spectrum, an article that could be considered "done," is an article that has reached featured status. See WP:FA. However, this does not mean that a 5,000 word mess should be kept. There are criteria to establish what is speedy-able, (see WP:CSD). There are other deletion methods such as proposed deletion, and award for deletion, or see generally Wikipedia:Deletion policy. Along with this goes various criteria to use for articles that do not fall into the narrow criteria for speedy deletion: See: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Precedents, Wikipedia:Importance, WP:NOT, {{Notabilityguide}} WP:VAIN, WP:AUTO among others. Awarding an article for deletion under any of the various methods is not in and of itself biting a newcomer. However, many editors feel that some steps should be taken to inform the user of your action, such as posting a notice on their talk page informing of the deletion activity. See, e.g., {{nn-warn}}, {{prodwarning}} and {{polite-afd}}. Where deletion is not warranted, The best you can do is cleanup the article yourself, or post some maintenance templates (see Wikipedia:Template messages/Cleanup).--Fuhghettaboutit 06:22, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Articles are rarely 'done', but some articles are in such an unfinished state they shouldn't be published yet. Userfying articles in progress and pointing them to the option is a good idea in my opinion. - 07:54, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

A question about fair use.[edit]

There seems to be a rather strange standard on what is acceptable in fair use images. Namely, cover art (to CDs, games, DVD cases), is often being tagged as "sourceless", to be deleted, even if the image includes the licencing tag, a fair use rationale, and the source of the art (From cover of whatever, copyright whoever). What seems to be missing, according to the this, is a random and meaningless source - such as some link online where the image can be found. Many DVD covers have on them now the source being a link to the image on This seems rather absurd to me. The media's publisher is the source of the image, and amazon is just one of hundreds of stores that show the exact same image on the product. Why does listing them as the source make it ok, while stating who really made the image isn't good enough? -Goldom (t) (Review) 09:59, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

As a start, try here. Hope this helps. If not, come back, just make a note below! EvocativeIntrigue TALK | EMAIL 13:54, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Getting listed...[edit]

How exactly do you get your website listed? Are there certain requirements that you must meet? Please email me at missianne85@yahoo.***. Thank you.

Yes, please see WP:WEB for a guideline. As for posting an article, please read Wikipedia:Your first article. Cheers, Tangotango 16:53, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

adding things to your user page[edit]

how do you add things like you speak english or from the united states? answer by putting it on my talk page

Candyo32 14:38, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Hello, please read WP:BABEL (for language userboxes) and WP:UBX (for all other userboxes). Cross-posted on talk page - Tangotango 16:49, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
If you click the edit button of someone's userpage, but don't actually edit it, you can see how someone did it. You are looking for Wikipedia:Babel. - Mgm|(talk) 15:46, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
This answer was copied from User talk:Candyo32#Userpage additions (by HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 16:55, 12 June 2006 (UTC))

Basic Management Principles[edit]

A mediu-sized manufacturer wants to improve the productivity of the organisation as a whole. How would each of the following theorists approach the problem:

  • a) Frederick Tyalor
  • b) Henri Fayol
  • c) Abraham Maslow Sekkuan 15:35, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that's what this Help Desk is for). For your convenience, here's the link: Reference Desk (when you get there, just select the relevant section, and ask away). I hope this helps. - Tangotango 15:44, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
...but, as it says at the top of the page, they won't do your homework for you. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 17:31, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

What font should Wikipedia be viewed with?[edit]

On this computer, Wikipedia appears in an italicized font, not the one it appears on on other computers. This is obviously not the original intention, as it makes it very difficult to read. 15:50, 12 June 2006 (UTC) contains the line "font: x-small sans-serif", so assuming you're using the default monobook skin, you'll get whatever your browser defines to be sans-serif. By default, this will be a sans-serif non-italic font, but someone could have changed the settings. If you can't find how to change them back, then tell us what browser you're using and someone will tell you where to find it. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 16:40, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. This is me, but on a home computer. I'm sorry, but I have no idea where I would find those settings. The browser is Internet Explorer, running on a modified school version of Windows 98/95, I've forgotten which. 21:08, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

In IE go to "Tools", then click "Internet Options", then "Fonts". Have a play around with those settings and let us know whether it worked. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 10:13, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

IP Address Blocking[edit]

Okay, this is my question: When Wikipedia blocks an IP address (an un-logged-in user), why is it that logging in as a legitimate user at that IP address does not allow you to edit pages? This is the situation: the IP address for my school's computers (they all share the same IP) has been banned from Wikipedia due to the excessive vandalism of the various boneheads in the school population. But even when I log into my Wikipedia account (which obviously isn't blocked or I wouldn't be writing this), I still can't edit pages on a school computer because "your IP has been blocked." It would seem to me that logging in as a non-blocked user would allow you to edit pages even from a banned IP address because you are identifying yourself as a different person than the one who originally got the IP address banned through vandalism. Why isn't this the case? --Edward Tremel 17:13, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Hello, this is a common problem experienced by logged-in users, and is currently being discussed/refined. Please see Bugzilla:550 for more details about this "bug". Cheers, Tangotango 17:19, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
You could also read the Wikipedia:Blocking policy proposal. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 17:29, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
  • If we were to allow edits by logged in people from a blocked IP, all they had to do to circumvent the block is register an account. It's a precaution to make sure blocked stay blocked for the duration of the block. - Mgm|(talk) 18:49, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
    WP:BPP proposes a small hurdle for the creation of new accounts, so as to limit this. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 10:19, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
An alternative IMHO would be to block new users based on IP, but not old users. I don't know what a new users is, but semi-protection implies we must have a definition for a new users Nil Einne 18:15, 19 June 2006 (UTC)


How do I make a subcategory for Category:ForeFront Records and Category:Gotee Records? Please help me. Thank you.chili 19:14, 12 June 2006 (UTC) And also I would like to know why my user signature is not looking like it should. See above. My username is Chili14.

I can help with regards to your signature: see here and, possibly more helpful for you, how to fix your signature! EvocativeIntrigue TALK | EMAIL 20:21, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Public Domain?[edit]

I uploaded the following image Image:Ernestchappel.jpg, but I used the "I Found the Image Somewhere" tag. I know that the image will be deleted soon if I cannot get the copyright status. Does anyone have any tips on going about this? I assume that the image is public domain, but I have no way to be sure. Any ideas? Phauge 20:27, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Do you know who the person is? If so, you could check encyclopedias and magazines for him. If you find the photo, there should be a credit on it or under it that you could use to locate the rightsholder. Alternatively, you could check with the publisher. Also, if you got the photo directly from a publication, you could check that, too.
If I don't miss my guess, however, it is as likely as not that the photo is still under copyright protection. --CTSWyneken 20:36, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
I found on a website. The guys name is Ernest Chappell. He was an actor from an old time radio show called Quiet, Please that aired from 1947 and 1949. was my source. Phauge 20:44, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Yeah, that would be copyrighted, but I doubt a free option would be available. I think this could perhaps qualify as fair use, but make sure the source is listed on the image page otherwise it will be deleted period. - Mgm|(talk) 21:37, 12 June 2006 (UTC)


Hi there,

I would like to edit the page "Phil Brown" in order to include another famous Phil Brown, who is a musician. How do I do this?

Sure, just create an article entitled Phil Brown (occupation) (where (occupation) is who this person is, such as a singer, writer, etc) and then I'll link it to the other page for you. --Pilot|guy (roger that) 20:36, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Image confusion[edit]

I am really confused about using images on wikipedia pages.Can you please help me!! If a picture does not have a copy right symbol is it ok to use? Can most company logos be used? 21:05, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

For logos see Wikipedia:Logos. For images see Wikipedia:Image_use_policy. All images (on the internet etc) automatically get assigned copyright - the copyright symbol is irrelevant. You must by 100% certain of the licence before uploading an image - this generally means not uploading images from the internet.--Commander Keane 21:17, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

June 13[edit]

Polls on talk pages[edit]

I have seen other uses post polls on a talk page to gauge consensus for including/not including something in an article. How do I do this? I've searched through the FAQ and so on, no help yet. joye 00:36, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Generally you do not want to do this. Polls should only be resorted to after lots of discussion and thorough review. Instead of resorting to polls, try building consensus. --Hetar 00:42, 13 June 2006 (UTC)


Hello Editors.

I am a Blogger. I have many Blogs from I wanted to contribute these blogs to the great WIKI. So can i please place my blogs in the related pages?

I try to login but failed always.

  • I'm afraid that would be advertising which is one of the things included in the list of things that should NOT be on Wikipedia. Also, see our policy on external links. Individual blogs are generally not important enough to be link to general articles about blogging. - Mgm|(talk) 04:40, 13 June 2006 (UTC)


Does the 3RR hold even if we are reverting vandalism? -- Lost 05:03, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Nope. You can see under WP:3RR#Detail, it says, "This policy does not apply to self-reverts, correcting simple vandalism, reversions for the purpose of maintenance (such as on the Introduction or the Sandbox), or reverting the edits of a banned or blocked user." EWS23 (Leave me a message!) 05:11, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
  • But be careful. Differences of opinions are not vandalism and sometimes it's hard to make the dinstinction. - 07:19, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
I realise that. thanks for the advice.. I meant only blatant vandalism -- Lost 07:57, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
  • That anon was me. You can never be too careful so I thought I'd throw it in...- Mgm|(talk) 09:13, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Taking infobox, removing it, turning an article out of stub status[edit]

Hello, a while back I made an article called Get Real (television series), and it rightfully got called a stub.

The article includes a lot of info in an infobox but not much for the text.

Should I revert from the infobox to justify making the article without redundancies? That will get it out of stub status, but it seems infoboxes are preferred for television shows.

I should log in - User:Guroadrunner 11:02, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

  • No, the information in an infobox is generally repeated in full sentences in the article. If you have no more info than what's in the box, it will be a stub no matter what form you present the info in. - Mgm|(talk) 12:11, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
  • There's nothing "wrong" with being a stub - sure, it's better to have a full article if you can, but there's no need to take artificial steps to "get out" of stub status. — Estarriol talk 15:04, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the input. I wish I could add more, but because I don't have the episodes, adding a full article would be somewhat redundant to what is in the infobox. I might do something with it, but I don't remember anything not in the infobox already but basic character information Guroadrunner 09:08, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

deletion of page[edit]

have found a page entitled "Aherla" which is completely false and is some kind of joke, how should i go about getting it deleted or changed??

See Wikipedia:Guide to deletion. Briefly:
  • But in the case of Aherla, there was a perfectly legitimate article there which had unfortunately been vandalised. It's already been reverted, so perhaps the problem's already fixed. --Sam Blanning(talk) 14:35, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia edits count as Community service?[edit]

I was just thinking...would time spent editing Wikipedia count as community service hours? I am not asking this becuase I am desparate for hours or anything, but the though just came across my mind. It is helping out the community by providing information from my own time, but then who would "sign off" on it? I'd like to know other peoples' opinions on this. J@red  15:35, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Not to my knowledge, no. Unless you live near St. Petersburg, FL, USA, where Wikimedia is based, there won't really be anyone to sign off on your contributions anyway. --Pilot|guy 15:42, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Nice idea, though. Gyre 03:18, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Blank Image[edit]

I am working on an article that requires an image in the infobox, otherwise it comes out with the [[image]] tag. Is there a blank, white image on Wikipedia or in the commons that I can use? This way, no image will show up, but neither will the missing image tag.--Nmajdan 18:16, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Image:No image yet. See that page. J@red  18:21, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

How do I change the name of an article[edit]

I just started a new page and I wanted to remove one of the words from the title. How do I do this?

When your account gets to be 4 days old you could move the article using the "move" button (it will appear to the right of the "edit this page" button). Since you are new you don't have it yet, so ask here and someone will move it for you.--Commander Keane 19:28, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Internal link font color[edit]

I'd like to change the color of an internal link (I'm trying to make it white on a purple or other dark background in the title of a navigation box), but it comes up in blue despite <font> tags. What's the right way to do it? Is it possible? Peter Znamenskiy 21:01, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[[Your link|<font color="orange">Your link</font>]] = Your link. Basically you need to pipe the link and include the colour in the second part. --Cherry blossom tree 21:39, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Of course this is bad in terms of usability. Web surfers expect links to be blue. Don't mess with the colours in the Main/Portal space (or anywhere ideally).--Commander Keane 22:40, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Editing your monobook.js subpage (note the capitalization) should be able to change this for only you, but I have no idea what particular code you'd need. Try asking at the User styles WikiProject. - Mgm|(talk) 04:44, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Strenght Of Preference Testing[edit]

Hi, Do you know where I can find info on the subject of Strength Of Preference research. It is a form of Psychology that seeks to predict behavior by observing a persons choices and then extrapolating from the gathered info. Most people have not heard of it. Thanks, Terry Chestnutt

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that's what this Help Desk is for). For your convenience, here's the link: Reference Desk (when you get there, just select the relevant section, and ask away). I hope this helps.--Cherry blossom tree 21:41, 13 June 2006 (UTC)


How noteworthy is something like, say, a high school marching band? Would it be important enough to be part of an article (like the article on the town the high school is in) or an article on it's own? Delta 22:12, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Nah, you may just want to include something about it within the high school article itself. Good to hear there's another band dork on there though! :) --Pilot|guy 22:14, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
If they are a nationally known band which has appeared in several Rose Parades, have been invited to the White House, have performed overseas, have won multiple awards and have been written up by several major newspapers, then, yes, you could create an article for them, so long as you included all of that in the article. User:Zoe|(talk) 23:54, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Ski Resorts[edit]

I'd like to start an article about ski resorts around the world. Possibly even having an individual page for each resort. Is Wikipedia the correct forum to create such a page?

Quite possibly. Check out the articles in Category:Ski resorts.--Commander Keane 22:35, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Complete list of templates, etc.[edit]

Is there a page with the complete list of all the templates, stubs, etc? Like all the things with "{{" and "}}. I know there's lists of stubs, but I can't seem to find one with all of them. Wizrdwarts (T|C) 22:31, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm not exactly sure what you are looking for. You can view a list of all templates using Special:Prefixindex, eg here--Commander Keane 22:37, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Like a page with all templates, all stubs, etc, basiclly a list of everything that goes between "{{" and "}}" Wizrdwarts (T|C) 22:41, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Oh I see now, the formatting of your question was broken (I have inserted nowiki tags to fix it up). Well the link I already gave is a list of all pages in the template namespace (which includes stub templates). However every page in Wikipedia can be transcluded using "{{" and "}}" (including your userpage, an article on bananas - whatever). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Commander Keane (talkcontribs) .
Also, you can easily browse all the different types of stubs at Category:Stub categories. --Hetar 22:47, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

June 14[edit]

Template questions[edit]

Im curious if its actually possible for a user such as myself to create templates or if they are for admin-types only. Im interested in using a template for my Japanese Light Cruiser articles ive been editing. Having the class of the cruiser as a link and the name of all the ships of that same class underneath as links in a template would be something im interested in doing. If someone could bring me through how to create a template or perhaps even create the templated themselves... give me a shout on my talk page :) Jeremy D. 00:10, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Please disregard last post. Figured out how to create templates. Its not just for admins after all -Dances- Jeremy D. 01:20, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


Is there an RSS feed for wikipedia that I can put on my personalized google homepage?

Thanks! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 04:51, 14 June 2006 (UTC).

There's several, it depends on exactly what you're looking for. Recent changes to a particular article? Recent changes to the entire database? New articles? Issues from the Wikipedia Signpost? Titoxd(?!?) 04:51, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

wikimedia secure[edit]

I've just discovered the existence of I had no idea that we had such a thing. I would like to read a technical description of what it does and how it works and when it was implemented, but I could find no information here or at meta. Can you point me in the right direction? -lethe talk + 04:49, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Not much, but I found this on the mail list archives. -lethe talk + 05:03, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
IIRC, it is only used for Wiktionary's block of AOL. Titoxd(?!?) 05:57, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
They also use it in China to get past the Great Firewall. It sometimes works. WP 07:07, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Learning New Languages on Wikipedia[edit]


I think Wikipedia provides facility for learning new languages online.I wish to know how I can access it.


Sincerely, Varsha Thakur

  • If you scroll to the bottom of the Main Page you can see which languages Wikipedia is available in, but if you want to learn a language, you're probably better off finding an online text book at WikiBooks. - 07:37, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

adding a listing[edit]

anyone know how you add a listing?


what is url jdbc driver, how much it is fast than others drivers in jdbc? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xferozx (talkcontribs)

You might find what you are looking for in the article about Java Database Connectivity. If you cannot find the answer there, click here to post your question at that article's talk page. If that doesn't solve your problem, you can try asking your question at Wikipedia's Reference Desk. They'll be glad to answer questions about anything in the universe (except about how to use Wikipedia, which is what this help desk is for). I hope this helps. -- Natalya 11:57, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

"Cited by media" template??[edit]

I was reading a magazine and saw they had referenced a WP article (namely FIFA World Cup Trophy)... I think I've seen a template on talk pages before which noted when an article was cited by some other media source. Does one exist, if so, where? Thanks. AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 12:27, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia as a press source 2006 has all the details, but the specific templates are Template:authoronlinesource2006 or Template:onlinesource2006. --Hetar 19:22, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


I purchased a 4 piece living room set from Brookhouse furniture store the manager sold me the floor sample he said this was the last one and it was discontinued, so I brought the last set. Last week I told him I need to see it before I make the final payment he said no problem he will have it deliver to the store this week, he calls me on my cell phone yesterday and tells me there is a problem he can't sell me this set because something is wrong and I need to come into the store so we can talk. On the my cell phone yesterday he told me get get me the same set brand new in the box?

I am entitled to get a full refund?

Please help me!

Doreen Brittt


Cell# (removed)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that's what this Help Desk is for). For your convenience, here's the link: Reference Desk (when you get there, just select the relevant section, and ask away). I hope this helps. fetofs Hello! 13:47, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
They'll probably want to know which country you live in... Dweller 17:14, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Image won't load[edit]

Help! I uploaded an improved version of Image:Lake Texcoco c 1519 .png, but the image won't load on Aztec. I just get that red X. And when I go to the page itself, the image also won't load there, but when I click on non-loaded image, I do get to see the image (and it's rather huge). So what's up here? Is my new image too large somehow? (And, strangely enough, the new upload does not appear on My Contributions). Help! Madman 15:23, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, the image might be corrupted. Try re-saving/re-uploading. — TheKMantalk 15:40, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Well, I re-PNG'ed the map and re-saved (it was strangely smaller), and then re-uploaded, and it's working. Mighty strange. Thanks, Madman 17:09, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

The M-113 is not named Gavin, for Pete's sake[edit]

QUITE a few articles containing "M-113"/"M113" have been changed by Mike Sparks and/or his followers, to nick the vehicle "GAVIN". This was never, is not, and will never happen. The Pentagon has categorically denied the existance of such a nickname. I can come with fifty arguments/proofs that the car IS NOT nicked Gavin, and Mike Sparks and others can give NO written evidence of ANY kind besides MS' own websites. But what am I supposed to do? These edits keep happening, should the articles be labelled { { somethingsomething } }? Henning 17:23, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

You need to provide this evidence on the talk pages of the articles in question. If the evidence is clear and people continue to remove it after that, you may want to seek mediation. --Hetar 19:16, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
  • That should be easy. If they can't provide reliable evidence, policy says it has to go. Get mediation, RFC or as a last resort RFAr to enforce it. - Mgm|(talk) 20:29, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

British Grenadiers Requested Move[edit]

Hi Wikipedia - I'm a budding editor/author. I requested a change of title from "British Grenadiers" to "The British Grenadiers".

Firstly, I notice that the article does not yet carry an announcement about that Requested Move. And yet I have seen similar boxes on other articles. Why is this?

Secondly, and more importantly, on the British Grenadiers Talk page I created, the article's author has already agreed to the title change. This would indicate to me that the change can now occur.

I am not sure what happens from here on in. Can you please implement my requested title change or tell me how to do it?

Also can you please tell me how to redo the redirect?

Thanks. FClef 19:34, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requested moves has all the details for requesting page moves. The article doesn't carry an anouncement at the top because you didn't put one there. Just follow the instructions listed in the link and you should be fine. --Hetar 19:37, 14 June 2006


Dear Hetar, Does Wikipedia do the requested move and new redirects or do I do it? (I did look at the page, I swear, but am something of a technovirgin...or should that be techno-idiot?) Thanks. FClef 19:40, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

If you propose the move by following the instructions at Wikipedia:Requested moves (which should be fairly simple) then someone will do the actual move for you. I prefer this method, because it also gives other editors a chance to comment on the move, and to make sure that it agrees with any obscure naming conventions that may be in existance. --Hetar 19:42, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for encouragement. Yippee - I found the way of doing the announcement (that is the Move template, I surmised after a while). So things just take their own course now? (i.e., is it the announcement that puts this onto the Wikipedia administrators' desks and they get on with it in their infinite wisdom?) FClef 19:50, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

If you listed the article at Wikipedia:Requested moves then it is discussed for about 5 days and then acted on shortly after. --Hetar 20:11, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

But note: Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Avoid the definite article ("the") and the indefinite article ("a"/"an") at the beginning of the page name. More info at: Wikipedia:Naming conventions (definite and indefinite articles at beginning of name). Thanks/wangi 21:18, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Understood; but notwithstanding this, the definite article here is an integral part of the title. I will copy your comment, for which many thanks, together with this reply to the discussion section of the talk page of the article and refer you there for further discussion over the next five days. -- FClef 23:29, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Help in creating maps[edit]

Could someone tell me how to include in a localised map, a world map in a small box which gives the exact location of the map (If you didn't understand here's a example:Image:LocationLebanon.png). Could you tell me which software and what techniques you use for creating these kind of maps? Thank you. CG 20:29, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Basic bitmap image editing has all the details of image editing, as well as several different programs that you could use for this type of creation. --Hetar 21:31, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
To add the mini-map to Image:Olmec Heartland 1.png, I simply used Paint (you know, that little Windows app). I had two Paints running, reduced the Mexico map to about 15% of the original, and copied and pasted it on top of the localised map.
I use MS PictureIt! to add the words to my maps. I wish I had some fancier tools than these, but I don't and I don't want to spend gobs of money buying any.
Hope this helps, Madman 21:36, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Thank you, but I find it hard to crop a map but with keeping the same width/length ration for the cropped map. CG 18:54, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Question re problem using Copy and Paste[edit]

I just registered today after using WP for some time. An editor named User:Timrem graciously took time to help me and I wanted to send him a wikicookie as a Thank You. I highlighted the image and text for the wikicookie on the Awards page, right-clicked on Copy, then went to Timrem's Talkpage. The problem is that when I right-clicked on Paste, it appears that only the text was copied, not the image itself. Can someone expalin whether I did something wrong, or perhaps my browser (Internet Explorer) isn't displaying it properly? Thanks in advance for your help. Doc Tropics 21:48, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi Doc. Just copy this code [[Image:Wikicookie.jpg|right|frame|text you want to display with yummy chocolatey award]]. Replace the text where indicated. The reason you were having trouble, I think, is that the image itself was transcluded in a template for that page. --Fuhghettaboutit 22:03, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks to you, User:Timrem is now able to enjoy a well-deserved cookie. Happy editing! Doc Tropics 22:29, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Indiscriminate collection of information?[edit]

In the article Drina, is the list of all the cities the river passes allowed, or does it fall under "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information"? --Mo-Al 23:46, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

  • That depends, but I would personally prefer a map over a list of cities in such cases. - 08:32, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, is there any reason that the more well-known ones, like Rio Grande, don't? I see that there is a map, but there must be some sort of WIkipedia policy which would proscribe making long lists of places which there is no information about to describe the path of a minor river.--Mo-Al 01:57, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

June 15[edit]

Crossposting & search[edit]

I have two questions. Firstly how do you crosspost. In this instance i need to post a comment to a user talk page and an article discussion page.

My second question is is there a search function for the wikipedia help. I have looked long and hard and can't find one. I find it really hard to find things in wikipedia help. I go round in circles a lot trying to find things.


Morgan Leigh 01:28, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

  1. Just copy the comment and post it in the two separate places. There is no simple 'one-click' tool for 'cross-posting'.
  2. Type in what you want to search for in the left side bar and click on search. At the bottom of the next screen there are several checkboxes. Checking the Help checkbox, and clicking the lower search box (not the upper one) will preform a search of only the help pages. Personally I find it much easier to use WP:HELP and just navigate to my area of interest. --Hetar 01:56, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Thank you! Thank you!
Morgan Leigh 11:36, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Clifton E. Marsh[edit]

How to I edit the headline of this entry???? I want to take the E. out to get a better search

  1. Please read Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people) to make sure the name change is in line with current naming conventions.
  2. If you just recently created your account you will not be able to move pages for several days. If this is the case, visit WP:RM and list your request there.
  3. If your account is more than several days old, Help:Moving a page has all the information you need to fix this problem. --Hetar 03:24, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
If the naming convention is currently correct, i.e., after reading the naming convention guidelines, you come to the conclusion the name should remain with the middle initial, a second option would be to create a redirect to the name without the middle initial. Note that if you do move the page, a redirect will automatically be created for the present name.--Fuhghettaboutit 12:14, 15 June 2006 (UTC)


Can anyone tell me why I'm unable to make an image display in a userbox? Please refer to the history on the following userbox I've "fooled" around with. I put in the image I wanted, and nothin'. Thanks for your help! Hucz 05:01, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, the image you are using comes from the game and is copyrighted. It should not be used in userboxes or anywhere outside the main article space, and its license should be changed to fair use. --Hetar 05:09, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
OK, I'll correct this, thanks for your help also. It is MUCH appreciated. Hetar to the rescue once again! Hucz 05:14, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

some newly uploaded images do not show in file.[edit]

i just created and uploaded a shitload of PNG files for use in Zero-order hold and First-order hold (both articles i have recently created). these are very similar to other images that User:Petr.adamek created and he gave me source so i could make these new images. i am also using 2 of his original images which show up fine in the articles. all images are PD with no rights reserved. except for 2 images in First-order hold, none of my newly uploaded images show in the articles, but there are clickable links and they show just fine when you click the link.

the funky images are: Image:Zeroorderhold.impluseresponse.png Image:Firstorderhold.signal.png Image:Firstorderhold.impluseresponse.png Image:Predictivefirstorderhold.signal.png Image:Predictivefirstorderhold.impluseresponse.png

oddly the images Image:Causalfirstorderhold.signal.png Image:Causalfirstorderhold.impluseresponse.png show up just fine (as they might here).

what's the deel? also, i just noticed that i misspelled "impulseresponse" in 4 of the file names. is there a way to fix that or are we stuck to these misspelled file names like the tar baby? r b-j 06:45, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

As seen all over Village pump tech some images aren't displaying (a server problem I guess). To fix it you purge the image a few times (example url). There isn't an easy way to rename images, you will need to re-upload under better filenames, then get an admin to speedy delete the old ones (using {{db|duplicate with wrong filename, see real one at...}} etc). Since the images are free consider uploading to Commons so other language Wikipedias can use them.--Commander Keane 07:00, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
I have stopped your image examples displaying here. They all worked for me, since my thumbnail size in prefs is different to yours and the server hasn't cached a bad version at my size - just at yours (that's my guess, i'm not a tech guru). You can mess around with the image size in an article to get them displaying, eg 200px, 150px etc.--Commander Keane 07:05, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Nathaniel Bar-Jonah[edit]


I've been one of a number of editors who've worked on this recently created article about a particularly unpleasant criminal.

Together, we've made it less scurrilous and more truthful than the original article, which I initially flagged as a speedy because it didn't even occur to me it could be true!

In the eventuality, some of the worst accusations against the subject were found to have been not proven and the article was amended to reflect this.

However, the talk page [[7]] still contains unproven and certainly defamatory comments about the subject. I'm wary about wading into someone else's comments on a Talk page, but under these circumstances can/should I or an admin delete these comments made by another user?

Glad of assistance

Dweller 09:14, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I think removing those comments would probably be a bad idea. There's nothing to stop you voicing your objections and pointing out that these accusations aren't verifiable, though. Help:Talk page has the details. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 10:19, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the help, but I couldn't find anything relevant on that page (or any of the several promising-sounding links from it that I tried). I'll add the not verifiable comment, but I still think it's wrong for the site to carry a "statement of fact" that's not fact, even if contradicted. Dweller 10:28, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
The idea is that, although non-verifiable content gets removed from the article page, it stays on the talk page. That way, although readers get the cleaned up version, editors can look at the talk page and see how the consensus was reached. Make your case well and you've got nothing to worry about. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 11:47, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Info on Web site[edit]

Info regarding Larry Doby as first black player in American League is omitted. First game is July 5, 1947 playing center field for Cleveland Indians making baseball fully integrated. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 13:51, 15 June 2006 UTC.

The fact-index page seems to be a mirror of our 1947 page, but it's either edited or out of date. Our 1947 page doesn't have Larry Doby on it either, though - have a read of the page and if it seems appropriate to add him, go ahead. The edit button's at the top, and your contributions to wikipedia are welcome. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 14:04, 15 June 2006 (UTC)


Hello, I just uploaded image:unknown catarpillar.jpg and image:unknown beetle.jpg to commons. I wonder, when I have more pictures of unknown insects, what is a good place to turn to for determination? I am a photographer, and not a biologist. Thx, IIVQ 16:38, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

The people at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life will help you identify your animal pictures.--Cherry blossom tree 18:08, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
This sort of question also tends to get asked over at the Science Reference Desk. Confusing Manifestation 23:04, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Newspaper Article[edit]

Would it be allright if I use large excerpts from an article in a local newspaper from 1964? I would cite the source, of course. Forgive me if this is in the FAQ, just busy at work..

  • Generally, no. Please see WP:FAIR, which I quote "In general, extensive quotation of copyrighted news materials (such as newspapers and wire services), movie scripts, or any other copyrighted text is not fair use and is prohibited by Wikipedia policy." Now, as that page points out, ideas cannot be copyrighted, so if it's the ideas you want to use (rather than the exact words as a quote) you're best of rewording it. If you are wanting to use the exact words, you can (under fair use) use small quotes (fully attributed) and reference the document. If you need any further advice on this matter, you're welcome to leave a message on my talk page. Cheers. — Estarriol talk 19:55, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism Software for Mac OS X[edit]

Does anyone know of anything like VandalProof that will work on a Mac? I'm going nuts trying to properly note changes when I find and revert vandalism (my new hobby). Thanks! Phauge 19:54, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Infobox- political parties[edit]


My question is about political infoboxes of the form: Infobox_COUNTRYNAME_Political_Party

How do I create one? Where is the list of all infoboxes in this category (It is NOT under politics in the Wikipedia:List of infoboxes/Society)? Can you explain the difference between infoboxes and template infoboxes? Of which of the two is the type I specified (i.e. political party infoboxes)?

Do I need to ask premission to create a new infobox for the political parties of my country (provided that it doesn't have one yet)? What guidelines should I use for this specific purpose?

Can you please answer me via my talk page?


Tal :) 20:04, 15 June 2006 (UTC)


Can I remove a rejected proposal template from a page that is a group and not a policy proposal. Please reply on my talk page. Geo.plrd 21:35, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

It depends on the case in question. What page are you discussing and under what circumstances was the rejected template placed on it? Is there consensus for it being there? --Cherry blossom tree 21:50, 15 June 2006 (UTC) (also posted to talk page)
Geo.plrd is probably referring to Wikipedia:Justice Court, which is apparently a moot court presided over by Geo.plrd that judges whether Wikipedia 'officials' should be listed on a 'Shameboard'. The answer is no. There are several existing channels for dispute resolution, and this sort of a proposal (or group, or whatever) would conflict with fundamental Wikipedia policies on harassment and personal attacks. --Kwekubo 00:20, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Templates does not display properly[edit]

Hello, Just started using Wikipedia a couple of days ago. I created a template. To test my templates, I clicked on the links to add my context. Which worked great, however I wanted to reuse these templates and now it seems I've permanently update the template with my context. For example:

template should display: Template:Description template now displays: the dog is black

When I click on the edit link on the template page, I still see the "Template:Description". I've tried to rollback, however it seems as though my added text "the dog is black" is permanently set on this template.

One more question regarding templates, how do you use these templates on a different page? For example, the templates I created are under the templates sub category under Main Page. So if I want to use the templates how do I display it under the "Animals" sub category? Perhaps I overlooked this explanation somewhere under the Help Templates Page???

Thank you for your help! Simssa 21:38, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I think you'll need to give us more information. I can't find your template in your contributions - where is it? Also, what function is this template intended to fulfil? --Cherry blossom tree 21:47, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi Cherry, I created my template on our internal wiki. I'm sure I can recreate the problem if you can tell me how to get to this contribution page. This template was created so that others can fill in the blank, like a form. Simssa 14:32, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

June 16[edit]

Article moved[edit]


An article which was the beginnings of a biography about myself has been moved to "my personal space" ... it now doesn't show up when someone searches on Wikipedia for "Jon Morby"

The article was written by a partisan 3rd party, and was the basis for a much more detailed entry in due course.

I have today come in to add links to Demon Internet, iii, redmail and Redbus - all companies I've been involved in the formation of in the UK, as well as FidoNet of which I was heavily involved in through the UK<->US gateways and the Region 25 (UK) Internet gateway .. however I can't even find the article to add these salient bits onto.

I would be grateful if the Bio could be promoted back into "real space" as it is pertinent, and has been viewed / referenced by several articles elsewhere including newsgroups and I believe at least one UK publication.

Or does this sort of "Bio" contravene all sense of the "rules" for Wikipedia? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jmorby (talkcontribs) .

Looking over the bio it doesn't seem likely that it would survive being moved back into the article space. I would recommend reading WP:BIO which lists some qualifications for biographies that we have. With regard to the companies, we also have requirements that they should meet before having an article on Wikipedia. You can read those guidelines at WP:CORP. --Hetar 00:44, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia also has a guideline against autobiographies, on the grounds that it is particularly hard to be objective or to establish notability when talking about oneself.--Kwekubo 00:53, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

sound card[edit]

how do I find the sound card on my dell laptop? I can see the music videos but i have no sound. I have listened to music alot but the last week it says i have no sound card. Can you please help me or tell me how I can get help? 01:17, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Symbol move vote.svg This page is for questions about editing Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. - Mgm|(talk) 04:47, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Watchlist options[edit]

In "my watchlist", it is possible to hide bot edits and hide my edits. Is it possible to hide logged-in users, so that I can check edits by anon IPs for vandalism? Andjam 01:25, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

You can indeed hide your own edits and bot edits from the watchlist - just go to your preferences, click on the Watchlist tab and check the appropriate boxes. You might find Lupin's anti-vandal tool useful - it adds a variety of recent changes filters to your toolbox, including one that lists recent changes by IPs. --Kwekubo 02:15, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
But I can't hide logged in editors? With Lupin's tool, all I'm getting (even with all recent changes) is "(1) updating..." and the like. Andjam 03:54, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't think it is possible for watchlist, however if you want to fight vandalism in general, considering using Special:Recentchanges instead. You can hide logged-in users there. Also, consider joining Wikipedia:Recent changes patrol to fight against vandalism! --WinHunter (talk) 18:54, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Alleged Autobiography[edit]

The article Chris Carter (producer/disc jockey) appears autobiographicalish, so I put the tag on it.

The editor returned and removed the tag and denied my assertion. I think it's bad to remove the tag before concensus is reached, but I don't know what the policy is.

Also, though I know how to put that tag on the page, I don't know what step two is. Could a few experts chime in here or on the talk page and guide the process?

Thanks, 05:55, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Check out the article's talk page as there seems to be a pretty decent explanation there. If you have any neutrality problems, I would suggest bringing up specific sentences on the talk page and working with others editors to improve them. Also, if you create an account it will facilitate communication for this process, as well as earn you additional respect. --Hetar 05:59, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
I think you are right. The whole thing just looked a little fishy to me, but I am starting to believe the editor is just a big fan of Chris Carter, which is not a problem.
PS: How much additional respect will I earn with an account? Is it Goodfellas type respect? That is the kind I am after.
Thanks, 09:09, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
I'll personally hide several illegal weapons, drive badly (watching a helicopter that seems to be unsubtly following me) and come round to your home and cook a pasta sauce for an improbable amount of time, while talking about people getting "whacked" and "made". How does that sound? --Dweller 09:23, 16 June 2006 (UTC) (written from memory, so forgive me if any details are slightly incorrect)


how did squatters build their homes? 06:43, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

You might find what you are looking for in the article about Squatting. If you cannot find the answer there, click here to post your question at that article's talk page. If that doesn't solve your problem, you can try asking your question at Wikipedia's Reference Desk. They'll be glad to answer questions about anything in the universe (except about how to use Wikipedia, which is what this help desk is for). I hope this helps. Harryboyles 07:13, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


can i answer questions asked my many wikipedia users hima 12:30, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes and no. Clarification could be helpful here...EvocativeIntrigue TALK | EMAIL 13:04, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, are you saying that you want to know how many wikipedia users there are? Nil Einne 13:05, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
I was under the impression he was asking if he could answer questions about his many Wikipedia usernames...EvocativeIntrigue TALK | EMAIL 13:26, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Copyright issue[edit]

I noticed that the William H. Gates, Sr. page uses this image (Image:William Gates, Sr.jpg) which is fair use art tagged. However the wording of the copyright notice states:

It is believed that the use of low-resolution images of works of art
  • for critical commentary on
    • the work in question,
    • the artistic genre or technique of the work of art or
    • the school to which the artist belongs
  • on the English-language Wikipedia, hosted on servers in the United States by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation,
qualifies as fair use under United States copyright law. Any other uses of this image, on Wikipedia or elsewhere, may be copyright infringement. See Wikipedia:Fair use for more information.

Also in the Wikipedia Fair Use page it states:

  1. A work of art, not so famous as to be iconic, whose theme happens to be the Spanish Civil War, to illustrate an article on the war. (However, because of its iconic status, it is presumably Fair Use where we have a small image of Picasso's Guernica in the article Bombing of Guernica.)

This makes me think it is wrong for us to use the image in question in the Gates Sr page/article. I don't know enough about US copyright law and fair use policy to say for sure so perhaps someone who knows more could help (just remove it if you think it's not fair use I guess).

Also is there a way to link to a wikipedia image without it showing up in the page other then by linking to the whole page?

Nil Einne 13:04, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

It's not illegal if you don't get caught. And as for your image linking question, use external link syntax. --Froth 17:36, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Yes it is. And try Image:William Gates, Sr.jpg (which is [[:Image:William Gates, Sr.jpg]]). Notinasnaid 18:26, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

INTERNAL image links[edit]

Let's suppose I want to imbed in my article a small image, available from Commons, and that I want that clicking on that image, the user goes to an internal link. For example, image is [[Image:goose.gif]] and link is [[goose]]. How can I do that by Wiki tag, not HTML?-- 14:53, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Picture of a goose.
I don't believe that is possible in Wikipedia. By default clicking on an image takes you to the image description page, but you could include a Wikilink in the image caption - as in this example
-=# Amos E Wolfe talk #=- 15:41, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Is there any way to have a link by icon (image) rather than text?-- 20:30, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Who can help me fix my entry?[edit]

I am new to the system and looked up one of my favorite photographers, Robert Voltaire. I tried to add him but it says the page has errors. I know this system is supposed to be easy to use, but I am new and a little slow to figure it out. Can someone help me fix my entry? Also, if you could explain to me where I went wrong. Thanks so much! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Innercircle (talkcontribs)

The article is at Robert Voltaire. If he is one of your favourite photographers perhaps you know enough about him to add some facts to the article, and add some Wiki links. Once you have done this, you may feel you can remove the cleanup tag. Don't forget to put the article into a suitable category.
-=# Amos E Wolfe talk #=- 15:45, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
I took the initiative and did some formatting to the article, as well as adding a category. As far as the cleanup reason goes, there's some discussion at Talk:Robert Voltaire, but it doesn't really explain much. You might want to ask the people who edited the article or the talk page. (Click on the "History" link above the article to see who has edited it.) --Elkman 15:53, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Telling other editors that I'm in the process of writing an article[edit]


I looked and I looked but I can't find anything on this.

I'm trying to write an article about Ford LTD Crown Victoria cars. I want to save the page as a stub, and then add more information. But I want to save it as a stub first. The question is, how do I tell other editors I'm still writing the article (as to not have an edit conflict)?

Thank You!

AndreniW 15:49, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

You could put the {{inuse}} tag at the top of the article while you're working on it. Dismas|(talk) 16:08, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Just curious, but why do you want to save it as a stub first instead of entering as much as possible in one go? - Mgm|(talk) 18:37, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
One possibility would be that the user is unable or unwilling to save the content locally first. Therefore, to avoid the risk of losing the content if the computer dies, the browser dies, the internet connection dies, they screw up and somehow lose it all or whatever, they regularly save it so worst case, they only use their past 10-20 minutes of work rather then their past 1-2 hours Nil Einne 20:32, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Map of kirov, russia[edit]

Hello, how do I get a map of Kirov, Russia? And, how can I find about some things about local culture of this particular area?

It appears there are two Kirov in Russia (Kirov, Kirov Oblast & Kirov, Kaluga Oblast), which one are you looking for? --WinHunter (talk) 18:49, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

edit war intervention please[edit]

I'm not sure where to go to get admin intervention in a bit of an edit war..

Maybe the frequenters of the help desk can help with it instead of appealing to an admin

The page Age of the Earth is a very long article on the history of the science community's acceptance of an "old" earth (billions of years). Coverage of "opposing views" such as hinduism, cults, and more mainstream stuff like literal judeo-christianity is linked to via the disambig header (this is non standard already).

Thinking that (especially with such a controversial topic) the "science" of it shouldn't be asseted as what's "true" and should merely be presented as the majority view (as per Neutral vs Scientific Point of View, see WP:NPOV), I marked it with an NPOV tag and requested that the article be rewritten to present the science as only one view, while giving other views fair "significant minority" coverage.

But some of the article writers keep removing the tag, saying that it's a scientific article and that "pseudoscience" has no place in the article. My original point was that it shouldn't be a scientific article! Since it's titled "age of the earth" it should be an article on the body of human knowledge -scientific and unscientific- regarding the age of the earth.

Am I going too far in marking it NPOV? Careful reading of WP:NPOV seems to suggest that the NPOV policy was written specifically to address these type situations...

Can someone direct me to where I can appeal to admin support, or at least help me in my edit war? :)

--Froth 17:33, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Also considering following the steps listed in WP:DR --WinHunter (talk) 19:01, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Replacing a stub with a redirect.[edit]

There is a virtually empty stub for Puerto Pollensa and a slightly more developed stub for Port de Pollença. The former is Castellano, and the latter is Catalan, for exactly the same town. The page Puerto Pollensa should be replaced by a redirect to Port de Pollença. Is this something I can do (if yes, how?), or must one be an administrator? --vibo56 talk 19:26, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I've done it in this case with this edit]. All you need to do is delete the content of the page and replace it with #REDIRECT [[Port de Pollença]]. --Cherry blossom tree 20:03, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks! --vibo56 talk 20:12, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


Perhaps this is not the best place for this, but I'm not sure where is (I'm so navigationally challenged! :) - When is a discussion finished on an AfD deletion vote, and what do I do as the initiator of the deletion proposal when this happens? Ben Tibbetts 20:27, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

AfD discussions are closed after 5 days, or later (there is sometimes quite a backlog). As the initiator, nothing is expected of you during the process, the admin that closes the discussion will take care of it. If the result is 'delete', he'll delete the article, if the result is something different, like 'keep', he'll make sure the necessary steps are taken (the AfD tag removed, a link on the talk page, etc.). I think more about this can be found here: WP:AFD. --JoanneB 20:31, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

That's exactly what I needed to know. Thank you very much. Ben Tibbetts 20:44, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Problems creating a new page[edit]

Hey! I'm new to all of this so I'm sorry if my question sounds basic. I wanted to create some articles that are referred to in one of the articles on the site, but everytime I click on the red link, it asks me if I want to save index.php, which I do, but then I have no idea what to do with that, and I don't understand why it won't just create an empty page for me so that I can add headings myself, just like any other article. Hope this helps in explaining my question. Thanks! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Headeditor42 (talkcontribs) .

Go to Special:Preferences. In the Editing section untick "Use external editor by default". That should solve the problem.--Fuhghettaboutit 00:17, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your help Fuhghettaboutit!

Confused about images - local vs. commons[edit]

See Image_talk:Reuters-Building-30SC.JPG GhostInTheMachine 23:22, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Response given on talk page. --Hetar 23:49, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Many thanks! I will check back tomorrow. GhostInTheMachine 00:07, 17 June 2006 (UTC)