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April 21[edit]

New article[edit]

How do I create a page that is not already on Wikipedia? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ranchman2260 (talkcontribs).

Help:Starting a new page should have all the points you need. Wikipedia:Your first article might also be useful. x42bn6 Talk 00:11, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Google toolbar[edit]

h0w to remove the button on google toolba

See Google Toolbar and search the Help desk archive for Google toolbar. --Teratornis 11:24, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Excessive fair use?[edit]

I'm not sure if there's some action to be taken against this, but surely this user, Hotspot is uploading "fair use" images with abandon? There are 54 images on his talk page (apparently his "sandbox") uploaded under various licenses such as Video Game Screenshot and Copyrighted Character. I think something should be done, but I don't know what. ALTON .ıl 00:40, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

First of all, according to the Fair use, an image is fair use when it serves to illustrate the subject itself. For example, if I had a fair use image for Bill Clinton, I can't add it to the Lewinsky scandal. Fair use images are booed on for userboxes, so you should drop him a line about it. Evilclown93 01:00, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Fair use images are only allowed in articles. We won't even use them on the main page. As he does not seem to be a regular contributor, I linked all the pictures, (ie [[:Image:whatever]]). Any picture that isn't used anywhere else should probably be deleted. Even if there is an article for them, 54 is still far too many for fair use. Mr.Z-mantalk¢ 01:17, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for informing Hotspot. ALTON .ıl 05:02, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Deleted image when I have permission to use[edit]

I have uploaded a picture of Terry Anderson (Politician) three times. I have his permission and I have indicated on the tag and in the text. The picture keeps getting deleted. (a) How do I find out the reason for deletion? and (b) What do I have to do to stay within the rules?

Picture's name is Terry.jpg Smonzavi 03:05, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

The article has been deleted because it was marked as being 'for non-commercial use' or for Wikipedia only. This is not allowable. Unless the image can be used under fair use or released under the GNU Free Documentation License (or other compatible license), then it cannot be included on Wikipedia. Veinor (talk to me) 03:48, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Veinor. I fixed it.... I think!!!! But, for future reference, is there any comments made when a picture is deleted? If so, where do I go to find the comments?Smonzavi 04:00, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

You can view the deletion log here. Mr.Z-mantalk¢ 04:08, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, you don't seem to have fixed it. The image must be released under a free license, free for ANYONE to use (with credit), for ANY purpose, not just Wikipedia. Notinasnaid 08:06, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Please take a look at Image:Terry.jpg. You chose a license which invites administrators to delete it in 48 hours! Notinasnaid 08:34, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Notinasnaid. How do I change the license on the page?Smonzavi 19:26, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, first you have to establish what license to use (if indeed there is a suitable license at all). Is the image released for any and all uses by everyone, subject to credit? Notinasnaid 08:06, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

OK, here is the story and may be you can help me pick the appropriate license. Terry Anderson is a local politician in Hamilton. I asked him if I have permission to write an article in Wiki and he gave his permission. I asked for a photo and he send me the image that is under discussion. He does not mind the photo to be in public domain. I would appreciate it if you suggested what the appropriate license is. Thanks Smonzavi 03:18, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Notification of updates to entries[edit]

Is it possible to receive notications by email, that an entry, a user is interested in, has been updated?

GaryGarybyrne 08:59, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not offer such an email service, but you can make a watchlist to follow edits to chosen articles. It's possible an external site can be used to get emails [1] but I don't know how/if it works or what they do with your mail address. PrimeHunter 11:16, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Also see WP:RSS. --Teratornis 11:20, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Medicational plant[edit]

Please tell me about medicational plant who use in preventional of humin Dissies


—The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 09:16, 21 April 2007 (UTC).

Listed companies in hyderabad stock exchange[edit] 10:50, 21 April 2007 (UTC)Please show me the list of companies listed in Hyderabad stock exchange.

The Hyderabad Stock Exchange article does not provide that information, nor does it provide a link to an external site which does. So you will have to try your luck with your favorite search engine, for example: google:Hyderabad stock exchange. And now for the standard {{RD1}} canned response to questions of this type: Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that's what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. --Teratornis 11:18, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

verification, i need some sysops or admin to verify some webs and blog[edit]

here, i found some malaysian wikipedian use web like and as a source and some blogs which is in fact not reliable source, so im here voluunteer myself to clean up all this mess, but i need some verification from sysops and admin whether or not its notable and reliable as a sources. or do we acctually need Wikipedia:Ignore all rules, and takes all blogs and most of the unreliable source to wikipedia. --Towaru 11:20, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Malaysiakini is allegedly pro-opposition but it is also supposedly free of government regulations - I think it could be used as a reliable source, just as long as the blogs are avoided. In the light of these allegations, however, it might not be the most neutral source - it probably needs to be looked at case-by-case. The articles are fine. Regarding, I am unsure, however. x42bn6 Talk 13:55, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Adding References[edit]

Yeah.......Im trying to add a reference to a page and I dont want to screw it up......If there is a page that will show me how to, giving me the link would be very much appreciated...XtremeAussie —The preceding unsigned comment was added by XtremeAussie (talkcontribs) 12:12, 21 April 2007 (UTC).

WP:REF should do the trick. Dismas|(talk) 12:16, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
WP:FOOT is also helpful. PeaceNT 12:27, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
WP:CITET is my go-to page. Anchoress 12:29, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Counting edits[edit]

Is there a way to count the number of edits I've made, or find out other user statistics? I am just curious. Bards 13:46, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

See this edit counter.--Fuhghettaboutit 13:50, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
You might find the {{userinfo}} template handy. Place it at the top of your user page. Adrian M. H. 14:23, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Excellent. Thanks very much! Bards 15:07, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Move page[edit]

Capitalizatin of Cape May in title: How do I correct the title of the article "Cape may diamonds" to "Cape May diamonds" ? Wikited

Please start a new heading when asking a question and sign your comments by typing ~~~~ at the end of your talk page comments. Use the move page button at the top of the article. You can only use this feature if your account is more than 4 days old.
Don't forget to sign your own comments. ;-D
I've moved the page for you. Thanks for the note. Hersfold (talk/work) 15:47, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Oh sorry, that was stupid of me. Scottydude talk 16:49, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

WP article in "summary format"[edit]

is there a way to link to an article on wikipedia such that you get only: 1) the title; and 2)the first 512 bytes from the introductory paragraph? Alternatively, is there a "feed" service or something close to what I am looking for? If not, are there any scripts out there that do this? This would be useful when creating bookmarks to articles. NoClutter 16:38, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

The Popups navigation tool provides a short summary of articles when you hover over blue links. For information on feeds, see WP:RSS. Hersfold (talk/work) 18:08, 21 April 2007 (UTC)


what is beer - its manifacturing -

This question belongs at the Reference Desk. Scottydude talk 16:48, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Problems editing page[edit]

For some reason I can no longer edit the Yue Fei page. I recently rewrote the entire page and have never had a problem with it before. Now when I try to edit any part of the page, it brings me here (It should say "Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage"). I even logged off and tried editing the page anonymously and it didn't work either. I can edit other pages, but not this one. There has to be a reason for it. (Ghostexorcist 17:12, 21 April 2007 (UTC))

It had some very weird formatting in which the entire article was squashed to the right; this was caused by a missing pipe in the infobox. I don't know if this was to blame for your problem (I doubt it) but I fixed it anyway. Sorry I can't help any further, though. Adrian M. H. 17:22, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
I could edit it just fine, but it wouldn't save. I think the problem with that was that I edit conflicted with Adrian M. H., but since it is such a long page the diffs took a long time to load. The editing page opened just fine though. If it still doesn't work, I would suggest asking on WP:VPT. Mr.Z-mantalk¢ 17:26, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
The weird formatting was my fault. I couldn't edit the page with my active account, so I logged off and did a 'test' (deleted a chunk of the code) to see if I could do anything. Amazingly the edit was accepted, but I couldn't edit after that, even as anonymous. I tried fixing it, but no dice. (Ghostexorcist 17:31, 21 April 2007 (UTC))
Ah, I see. Looks like you did more than just remove a pipe, so to be on the safe side, I have reverted to the version by Beetstra. If you want to keep any part of your test edits, you'll need to add them in again. At least it looks correct now. Adrian M. H. 17:38, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
I just noticed something weird. I can actually make one edit to the page after another user completes theirs. But after that, I can't touch the page any more. (Ghostexorcist 17:43, 21 April 2007 (UTC))
Have you tried a different article and/or a different browser? Adrian M. H. 17:45, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
I can edit other articles just fine. (Ghostexorcist 18:04, 21 April 2007 (UTC))

How do I create a Chinese article and link it to the English article[edit]

I was trying to create a Chiense article for a college and link it to the English article of the college. But I have no idea how to do it, instruction please. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yaodan1989 (talkcontribs) 18:17, 21 April 2007 (UTC).

You need to add a link to the bottom of the article here and on the Chinese Wikipedia. There are instructions at Wikipedia:Interlanguage links; ask us if you have any questions. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 18:28, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
zhwiki has this article, too: zh:Help:跨语言链接, if you want to link from the Chinese Wikipedia to the English Wikipedia. x42bn6 Talk 18:47, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Should this be deleted?[edit]

Should this be kept? It looks awful to me: Victim_soul - it does say that it's a work in progress on the talk page... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Seans Potato Business (talkcontribs) 18:48, 21 April 2007 (UTC).

I am tempted to say AfD. It sounds sort of like a neologism but it doesn't look like a new phrase. Also tempted to redirect it to sacrifice but something tells me it is too strong. I don't know, probably AfD. Might want to wait for more comments, though. x42bn6 Talk 18:52, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
The page was originally nominated for speedy deletion and contested with the template {{hangon}}. I think that it could be speedily deleted so I re-nominated with {{db-nonsense}}. If not, x42n6 is right, it could be nominated for AfD. Scottydude talk 18:56, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Editing War[edit]

There's this user named Scottandrewhutchins who keeps changing monster's names from the Godzilla movies called King Caesar, Kamacuras, and Kamoebas into the japanese names instead of the english names. How do I contact an administrator about this three way edit war? --Naruto134 00:00, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Report edit wars at WP:ANI and WP:3RR violations at WP:AN3 Mr.Z-mantalk¢ 19:18, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

record of pages I looked up[edit]

How can I save a page that I thought was interesting so that I can go back and read it more closely. When I start to look at a page I see a link and say "wow, I would love to read that when I have time" Like a wish list... do the Wiki walk when I have more time.

Thanks guys, you know who loves Ya!

Rob Carter —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Robhcarter (talkcontribs) 18:52, 21 April 2007 (UTC).

There really is no "wishlist" on Wikipedia but there are two simple things to do. First, you can place the titles of these pages on your userpage. Secondly, you can click the watch tab at the top of the article, this will place the article on your watchlist (you can access this at the top of the page in your browser, next to your userfunctions). Whenever one of your watched pages are edited they show up on your watchlist page. From this page you can display and edit your entire watchlist regardless of recent edits. Hope this helps! Scottydude talk 19:01, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Some more links on this topic:
--Teratornis 07:09, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Decorating user pages[edit]

How can I use wiki formatting and/or HTML to make stylistic edits to my user page? BT14 18:59, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

See: Wikipedia:Userpage or The Transhumanist's user page design subpage. Scottydude talk 19:03, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Also check the extensive gallery among The Transhumanist's pages; there are some good examples there. And do what I do; look at other users' pages for inspiration. Adrian M. H. 19:29, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
See WP:NOT#MYSPACE; Wikipedia has more than one million articles that need work, and userpages are supposed to be just a means to the end of building an encyclopedia. (One interpretation might be that allowing people to make fancy user pages as they please is a way to reward them for the free labor they provide to the encyclopedia project. But remember, Wikipedia is supported by donations from ordinary people, so it would be best to respect that by trying to keep user page content at least peripherally related to the main purpose here.) For more information about the wikitext and HTML you can use on any page here, including your user page, see:
--Teratornis 06:52, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Citing a textboox[edit]

I'm editing an article on enzyme reactivity models and am trying to cite a textbook. I'm new to wikipedia and not particularly internet savvy. How do I do this? Cwhitt817 19:34, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

The easy way (discouraged, but not wrong), Create a references section at the end of the article and use either a citation template (Template:cite book or Template:citation) or any citation style you choose (MLA, APA, etc.)
The preferred way, use an inline citation. Put:
<ref>{{cite book |last= |first= |authorlink= |coauthors= |editor= |others= |title= |origdate= |origyear= |origmonth= |url= |format= |accessdate= |accessyear= |accessmonth= |edition= |series= |date= |year= |month= |publisher= |location= |language= |isbn= |oclc= |doi= |id= |pages= |chapter= |chapterurl= |quote= }}</ref>
directly after what you are citing. Fill in all the relevant info, remove any field you don't use (only "title" is required, if its in English, you really don't need "language"). If you want to cite the same book in multiple places, use:
<ref name="Descriptive Name">{{cite book |last= |first= |authorlink= |coauthors= |editor= |others= |title= |origdate= |origyear= |origmonth= |url= |format= |accessdate= |accessyear= |accessmonth= |edition= |series= |date= |year= |month= |publisher= |location= |language= |isbn= |oclc= |doi= |id= |pages= |chapter= |chapterurl= |quote= }}</ref>
for the first instance, then just use:
<ref name="The name you chose for the first one"/>
for all the others. Then, at the end of the article, create a references section like:
-- Mr.Z-mantalk¢ 19:45, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
For more information on using the citation template I showed above, see Template:cite book. You may also use Template:citation in place of cite book. Mr.Z-mantalk¢ 19:49, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks so much for the help. Cwhitt817 19:52, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Withdrawing an Afd[edit]

I recently submitted an Afd and after discussions on the talk page, it was determined that redirecting the article was a better solution. How do I, as the originator of the Afd, submit a withdrawal of the Afd? Thanks pgillman 20:15, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

I'd say that you can just note a consensus in the talk page on the AfD, and close the AfD prematurely. I'm not 100% sure, but you can be bold, that's what I would do. Nihiltres(t.c.s) 20:30, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, but how does one close the AfD prematurely? The Afd notice on the article states clearly it is not to be removed and their are entries in multiple locations that probably are edit protected from editors other than admins. Letting time run its course and having a well documented consensus in the AfD comments would achieve the same result, but I was interested in knowing if there was any guideline short-cutting this process. I asked this over at the WP:AFD talk page as well. pgillman 23:53, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
  • If the AFD is still open you can leave a note saying you want to withdraw the nomination in favor of a redirect as discussed on the article talk page. I'm sure an admin who comes by would be happy to help. If you want to know how to close a debate early, you should probably read through some admin documentation. - Mgm|(talk) 12:07, 22 April 2007 (UTC)


Should the articles Talerhof and Ukrainian Austrian Internment be merged? Pustelnik 20:54, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Possibly, although it appears they function just fine on their own. If you'd like to suggest a merger, follow the steps at WP:MERGE to start a formal discussion on the matter. Hersfold (talk/work) 21:24, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Template use question: For2 with string containing multiple links[edit]

Please look at Roman_Catholic_Church#Worldwide_distribution. I noticed another editor trying to fix a problem and became intrigued. I can't figure out how to make the template work.

The intent is obvious, to get the see_also to say

For the Roman Catholic Church regionally and by country , see Roman Catholicism by country, Category:Roman Catholic Church by country, and Category:Roman Catholic Church by region.

But currently we end up with extra [[ and ]] pairs, like so

For the Roman Catholic Church regionally and by country , see [[ Roman Catholicism by country, Category:Roman Catholic Church by country, and Category:Roman Catholic Church by region]].

The use of the For2 template looks like this:

{{For2 | the Roman Catholic Church regionally and by country | [[Roman Catholicism by country]], [[:Category:Roman Catholic Church by country]], and [[:Category:Roman Catholic Church by region]]}}

I found docs Wikipedia:Otheruses templates (example usage) and Template_talk:For2, but nothing smacks me in the face. Any ideas how to fix this? Shenme 20:56, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Adding box to show CD cover[edit]

I'm Trying to edit a new music article but i cant seem to put on a box to show the cover of the CD, in the discography —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Abcdbomber (talkcontribs) 21:19, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

I assume that you are looking for an Infobox Template. Check through the template categories and/or other album articles. Adrian M. H. 22:58, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Please note that fair use art should not be used to decorate discographies. Notinasnaid 12:09, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Someone deleted my page!Pacguy19 21:56, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[edit]

I think someone deleted my page! Can you help me get it back?

Please read Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted?. — MalcolmUse the schwartz! 21:57, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
You'll need to improve it enough to meet Wikipedia's minimum standards if you want to publish it again. Too many relevant guidelines/policies/advice pages to list here; drop me a line if I can help. Adrian M. H. 22:20, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Living persons' ages in infoboxes[edit]

I just corrected a minor factual error in the infobox of the article Danny Trejo. He was born in May, 1944, which would make him 62 now, not 63. His infobox didn't have any age at all, in fact, until someone added it incorrectly as 63 in March 2007 ( Since everyone's date of birth never changes, but their age changes every year, couldn't Wikipedia be set up so that once the DOB is entered, the age would be computed when you view it, without any further editing? Hgrosser 22:06, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

It might be possible, but that's probably too complex a question for the Help Desk. You could ask at the Village Pump, maybe. Adrian M. H. 22:27, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
I found out how! This is how you do it:
| birthdate= {{birth date and age|1944|5|16}}
instead of:
| birthdate= [[May 16]], [[1944]] (age 62)
Hgrosser 22:38, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

WikiMediaPlayer for Wikimedia problem[edit]

Hello, I'm starting to develop the Wikipedia project for the Aymara language, so I started with the Wiktionary and I wanted to include on each word the audio file for the correct pronuntiation. For which I also created a Template called "Arsu" (Audio/sound) based on what I seen in the English and Spanish Wikipedias. The Template came out like this:

[[Image:Speaker Icon.svg|left|40px]]<span class="unicode audiolink">[[Media:{{{1}}}|{{{2}}}]]</span> <sup>(<span class="plainlinks">[{{urlencode:{{{1}}}}} pututt'añana yaxaniri]</span>— [[:Image:{{{1}}}|kunasa]]— [[Ayuda:Multimedia|yanapa]]))</sup> <small>{{{3}}}</small>

now at the article aliqa I included the entry:

{{Arsu|Aymara_diccionario-aliqa.ogg‎|Aliqa|Aru millk’ukipaña}}

it looks fine but when I hit on "pututt'añana yaxaniri" (play in browser) it leads me to the link:

my problem is that "%E2%80%8E" which appear automaticaly at the end of the link. I tried using other audio files uploaded by other users and they work fine. But with this audio file (Aymara_diccionario-aliqa.ogg) in particular that I uploaded the Media Player fails. Can anybody tell me what I did wrong? Thank you very much. Erebedhel 21 April 2007.

That is a Unicode left-to-right mark. I've seen this happen on my company's corporate wiki occasionally. I think it happens when copying/pasting in Internet Explorer, but I'm not sure exactly why or when. Basically, there is a hidden character that needs to be deleted. Mike Dillon 22:22, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
I've removed the LTR mark. The link should work now. Mike Dillon 22:25, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Thank you very much Mike, that was the problem now it works exactly how I wanted. I'll keep what you told me in mind for the next articles. Erebedhel 22:51, 21 April 2007.


i can not remember my password, how can i get my account (my old account) back? (i have not added my mail address to my account) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Darkhorni (talkcontribs) 23:33, 21 April 2007 (UTC).

Hi. Unfortunately you can't. There's no way to recover an account's password if you haven't provided an email address. FrancoGG ( talk ) 23:39, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

How do I figure out how a featured article is being nominated for speedy deletion?[edit]

Bulbasaur a featured article is currently in the queue for speedy deletion. It seems that it has a template on it which is nominated for deletion and it is part of the collateral damage. Any ideas on how to fix it. Capitalistroadster 23:37, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Fixed, {{hangon}} wasn't being noincluded so all the Pokémon articles had a hangon tag. x42bn6 Talk 23:44, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Can I upload these images to the Commons[edit]

I have a three images that I'd like to upload. I've been told in the past that I can't upload pictures of artwork to the Commons so I want to be sure that I can put these there before I do and then have to move them.

Two of the three are of buildings, one of Quincy Market (I think it's a better photo than one that is already in the article) and one of Custom House Tower (again, I feel my picture is of better quality because it shows the building better). According to the Commons upload page, I can't upload "Photographs of art, statues, commercial packaging and often toys." but I don't know if buildings are close enough to being art or statues to be considered verboten.

The third picture is of a pig scalder which I believe I can upload to Commons since the upload page specifies that "useful or non-artistic objects (tools, dinner plates, etc.)" are allowed.

So, anyone want to help me out? Dismas|(talk) 23:43, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

All of those should be fine. Calliopejen1 23:49, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Buildings should be safe. The problem with photos of art, etc. is that the artist's copyright still applies. You can't get around a copyright on a picture by taking a picture of it. I'm pretty sure you can't copyright a building (don't upload a picture of a store sign though) so as long as you took the picture it should be fine. If the copyright expired on the work though, it seems to be fine as well (see commons:Leonardo da Vinci) Mr.Z-mantalk¢ 23:51, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Cool, thanks! Dismas|(talk) 00:06, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
The pics are uploaded and in the articles. Dismas|(talk) 00:23, 22 April 2007 (UTC)