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August 14[edit]

New Page Isn't There[edit]

I've been trying to create a page and I've done it several times over the last month...and it never shows up. What am I doing wrong? Is there someone I can call and talk to?


(email removed) (949) 433-6772 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Betsy Scherzer (talkcontribs).

It may have been deleted. What is the exact title? PrimeHunter 00:25, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
From now on before creating a article take a look at WP:N. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (tαlk) 00:38, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
CoSort was just deleted for the third time. Was that it? Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted?, Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) and Wikipedia:Business FAQ may be of interest. PrimeHunter 00:54, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

How do I modify the title to an existing image?[edit]

Specifically, I noted that the image in Spherical Trigonometry labeled "spherical triangle" i.e. one with three interior angles, all variable, was actually that of a right spherical triangles, with only two angles variable, the third being 90 degrees, as evidenced by its German title Rechtkugel dreieck ( rightangle threecorner) I can't find a way to access the image label to modify the text. e-mail: (email removed) Don 00:30, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

The article is Spherical trigonometry with lower case t. Click "edit this page" at the top of it and you can find and edit the image caption. PrimeHunter 01:03, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

spinal disc herniation[edit]

Image:Example.jpg —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk)

We have an article about Spinal disc herniation. Do you have a question? PrimeHunter 01:41, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

How does the writer of an article delete it?[edit]

How does the writer of an article delete it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shamwari (talkcontribs).

Well it depends on what the article is. If you are the only contributer, I belive an article in the mainspace can be deleted via CSD:G7. If it your userspace page, e.g. your userpage or subpaces, CSD:U1 applies. Generally you cannot delete your talk page, but sometimes this is allowed, if you are a good faith user and there it nothing that needs to be saved. See WP:CSD. i said 01:58, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Add the text {{db-author}} to the top of the page. --h2g2bob (talk) 02:03, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Only use {{db-owner}} if it is your userspace though, i.e. it is prefixed by User:Shamwari/NAMEOFPAGE. If it is in the mainspace, i.e. it is just an article like Ball or England, then use {{db-author}}. i said 02:08, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

1953 MGTF[edit]

can i research a 1953 MGTF throgh you —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk)

I'm not sure what you have in mind but maybe MG T#TF and TF 1500 is of interest. PrimeHunter 03:04, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Please get this article into Wikipedia[edit]

Can you please get this article into Wikipedia? It's not advertising: it's history. Thank you. (I'm old and don't have time to learn how to do all this speedy stuff.)

removed text previously deleted as spam - Kesh 21:00, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Elizabethcmurphy (talkcontribs).

The reference desk may be able to help you with this. The help desk is for questions regarding how to use Wikipedia. Lara♥Love 07:08, 14 August 2007 (UTC) That's what I get for scrolling from the bottom.
If I remember correctly, this article was already created and went through an AfD where it was subsequently deleted for being an advertisement. The way it reads, it's not encyclopedic. It reads like it's been taken from a company website. NPOV is definitely an issue. Also, WP:COI plays a part. Try WP:REQUEST. You can ask that the article be created there, however, it will be written in an encyclopedic tone. Lara♥Love 07:12, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
It appears the text has been at User:Elizabethcmurphy where it was deleted by Papa November after being tagged with {{db-spam}}, and at Pike County Arts & Crafts where it was deleted by Singularity with the same tag. PrimeHunter 15:02, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

How do I cite my cultural knowledge?[edit]

Much of what I will post on Wikipedia will be based on what I know as a national of Anguilla - Things about our culture and history that come from oral traditions and my own experiences. For example, I edited the article on Anguilla to include a piece on Sailing. I didn't cite any sources because there isn't much written on the island's culture or history (just it's tourist destinations) but I would vouch for everything I wrote as 100% fact, and other Anguillian sailors would. This leads me to the question - how do I cite what I know from my upbringing? Obviously you can't, but I don't know how else to verify the facts. It's like asking an American to cite a source that says that America was originally a British Colony - It's just a fact. (Although not a fair comparison as much is written on the USA and it's revolutionary war)

Any advice?

Seir Corall 03:20, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, citing your own knowledge is original research. You must cite things from reliable sources. i said 03:34, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
You and your friends can write and "publish" a book. Do this online. It's still original research, but that's OK. Find a web site with the proper policy for your work. (maybe wikibooks?) After you have done that, cite the work from the WP article. WP generally discourages citing your own self-published work like this, but your's is somewhat of a special case: You and your friends are the only experts and there is no published work on your area of expertise. If you can get together with the right college professor, You might even get an article in a scholarly journal and (if it's meaningful for you) some college credit. -Arch dude 12:55, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

It turns out that an awful lot of the information I will write about will be from Nuttin Bafflin, so I suppose I shall cite that as a source... Seir Corall 20:55, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

What time zone do you use?[edit]

When you make current events on Wikipedia, what time zone do you use because it is ahead of us. For example, my time is now 11:45pm Eastern Time in New York, you had events for the next day.

Wikipedia uses Coordinated Universal Time (UTC). --Hdt83 Chat 04:37, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I referred to help:images.But its saying that we cannot lonk images to another internal page in wikipedia.[edit]


I referred to help:images.But its saying that we cannot lonk images to another internal page in wikipedia.Can u please help me in doing this.Also i want to upload my team outing pics in my wiki page that i have developed.but the images are huge in number.So i thought i could put it in a folder format or something similar to that.But i wanted to know how to do that in wiki?

expecting response ASAP, Priya.N

The short version is, you don't. There is no folder structure for images on Wikipedia. Further, if you are the artist who took the photos, you must make those images available to use by others through a license such as the Creative Commons. This means any photo you uploaded to Wikipedia could be used by other people. You essentially give everyone permission to reuse those photos however they wish.
Finally, the images have to have some relevancy to an article on Wikipedia. This is not a photo storage site. If that's what you're looking for, try Flickr or Picasa. -- Kesh 21:06, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

How to change how your name looks when you sign a talk page?[edit]

I'm new here and I noticed that a lot of people around here are able to change their username to be smaller, change color, change font, etc. I was just wondering how you do that, or if you can't change how it looks when you use ~~~~, then do you just write the actual code for signing your username? Thanks! ChipChamp 04:52, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

You change the way your sigs look under the "signature" box in "My preferences". When you add ocding in the sig, make sure the "raw signature" is checked. See WP:SIG for more details. --Hdt83 Chat 05:19, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
(edit conflict) See WP:SIG and this user's project in order to format your signature. Miranda 05:21, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

procedures for foreigners to open an account[edit]

Good afternoon, Im a malaysian and looking forward to open an account with ocbc singapore,my question is

1) the procedure and documentation required for foreigners to open an account 2) what is the minimum amount required to be bank in for a start 3) which type of account would you recommend me to open,im looking for higher returns...pls advise 4) benefits in opening the account with ocbc singapore

for further question pls do not hesitate to call me at <contact details removed> thanks shahrom≥

Perhaps you should take a look at Wikipedia:About. We're not a bank, we're a encyclopedia project.--Max Talk (+) 05:50, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

My Page Deleted[edit]

Dear Admin,

My Page Name Mustufa Dudhiawala has been deleted can u please restore it—Preceding unsigned comment added by Vainics (talkcontribs)

The page was deleted because it was judged to be "about a real person that does not assert the importance or significance of its subject." Please see WP:BIO for the standard of inclusion for Wikipedia. KTC 07:06, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted? and WP:NOTABILITY may also be helpful. Regards, Lara♥Love 07:07, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Multiple Watchlists[edit]

The only possible way I found to have multiple watchlists is by creating sockpuppet accounts. (Related changes doesn't allow for what I want) Is there another way? ---Sluzzelin talk 07:16, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

You can create a 'doppelganger' account if you wish to use another account which isn't used for editing. If you make the account, follow the instructions outlined at WP:DOPPEL. — E talkbots 07:19, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Thank you, E! I hadn't thought of that. Would be acceptable to create, say, Sluzzelin1, Sluzzelin2 etc. for a purpose not specified in the linked help page? I'm fine with not editing, but I'd like to have several and wouldn't be creating them to prevent impersonation, but purely for list-watching. ---Sluzzelin talk 07:38, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Just a question, why do you want multiple watchlists? i said 07:42, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Several reasons. First of all, a lot of my editing is damage control (this includes reverting vandalism, tests and misguided good faith edits, but also organization, wikification, or referencing of newly added information), but I don't like using "Recent changes". I prefer having a long watchlist on topics that interest me. I'd like to group my topics for two reasons mainly: Quantity (over 10,000 articles seem to challenge most computers I use) and quality (I'd like to have grouped sub-lists depending on my editing-mentality and on my access to offline references). ---Sluzzelin talk 07:51, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Maybe you should subscribe to the RSS feeds of each article. If you have an RSS reader that allows you to group a bunch of feeds, you could just refresh the list every time you wanted to check. See WP:RSS --Max Talk (+) 07:58, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
(ec)Okay. Then I would suggest creating legitimate sock(s) for this purpose. A doppelganger doesn't really apply, since its purpose is not preventing impersonation. And aside, you revert vandlaism etc. only on pages you have watchlisted, but you watchlist pages en masse for this purpose? i said 07:59, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestions, Max and i, I will certainly explore them. And you are partially correct, i. Not only to fight vandalism, as explained above, but also. Just to give two unrelated topics: I watchlist many articles on music and many on Swiss topics, because I am familiar with these themes and can be a better judge of a new change's quality and potential for improvement than if I used "Recent changes" and came across topics I'm neither interested in, nor know anything about. ---Sluzzelin talk 08:06, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
As another solution to this problem, you could set up something akin to User:Luna Santin/Sockwatch. – Luna Santin (talk) 08:29, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Please help me[edit]

I put a help template on my tale page but no one has replyed. Its urgent. --BaconBreakfastPan 09:04, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I already reply when you posted this topic. You didn't state your question / problem for anyone to help you. Also, you only posted it for a few minutes, please be patience. KTC 09:09, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
I stated my question. Please answer it. --BaconBreakfastPan 09:10, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
And I did. :) KTC 09:13, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


What does a salesman do? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 09:55, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Someone that's in Sales? KTC 10:00, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Introducing a debatable idea[edit]

I want to suggest an idea I believe to be valid and worthwhile, but encourage comments and possible corrections of it from the Wikipedia community. What markup can I use in the text of an article to do this?

Frankieparley 10:36, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

If you feel that a discussion will be useful or that one will inevitably occur, then place your proposed text on the article's talk page and solicit comments there. You and other editors can then strive for consensus and get it right prior to moving the text tot eh article. If nobody comments after awhile (a week at least) or if you reach consensus with what in your opinion is a good set fo editors, then move the text tot he article. remember WP:CITE, WP:OR, WP:NPOV. -Arch dude 12:31, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

(Can another editor please answer the original question about how to ask for review help? I'm not clear on this so I did not address that part of the question. -Arch dude 12:31, 14 August 2007 (UTC))


Could you please help? The photo which used to be on this page

has been deleted/vandalised.

The photo belongs to us (i.e., the Cristofori Foundation- login is KC3RE,) as we paid the photographer to take it (it was taken in Tchaikovsky Hall, Moscow,) and we own all of this rights to it. We wish to make it available to you as public domain, available for anyone to use freely.

We tried to upload the photo/revert, etc., but were totally unsuccessful.

Could you help us to re-establish the photo?

Many thanks. 10:45, 14 August 2007 (UTC) The Cristofori Foundation

Your best solution would be to visit our Deletion Review page and request the image be restored there. It would be helpful if you provided the necessary copyright information when you do so, in order for the admin who restores the image to properly tag it as public domain. -- Kesh 21:13, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Move!! Tirukural to Thiruk-kural[edit]


I tried to move the title of the page Tirukural to Thiruk-kural. Something went wrong.

Would you like to help me out! Thank you

S.Ratnakumar 10:53, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

If you wish to move the page, please visit Wikipedia:Requested Moves. --Boricuaeddie 12:04, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Adding an internal link[edit]

Hey Guys,

I would like to add a internal link to "Albu Salih (sub Clan)" It can be found when searching for "Shammar" I tried using the button on your edit box which says "internal link" but it doesn't show up after i save it. Please let me know how i can add that link.

Thank you for you consideration,


Welcome to Wikipedia! You can create an internal link with two brackets before and after the word. For example, [[Wikipedia]] gives Wikipedia. You can also create a link to a page with a different word than the page title, by using a pipe. For example, [[Wikipedia|The greatest encyclopedia ever]] gives The greatest encyclopedia ever. See also Help:Link#Wikilinks. Melsaran 11:40, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
To be clear, to add a link, you must edit the page (or section.) This is essentially the same process you used to post your question, except that your question is a new sectin of the help page. You edit the page by clicking the "edit this page" tab at the top. This is best for a small page or the first section of any page. You edit a section by clicking the (edit) "link" at the right end of the section header. These little links move around a bit when there are images, but you can find the correct one by mousing over them. In any case, after clicking you will get an edit window full of wiki markup language. At this point, you can add the double brackets mentioned above, then preview to check your work, and then save. Please see WP:EDIT. -Arch dude 12:19, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefrompng[edit]


I uploaded the image on wiki page.But the problem what am facing is when i try to make that image as a thumbnailed one,iam getting the following error.

Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefrompng

I wanted to know why am getting this error instead of displaying that image as a thumbnail.

Thanks, Priya.N

Posting external links[edit]

Hi there

I work for a poker advice site - - that offers stories, interviews and profiles on the world of poker. I posted several external links to player pages on wikipedia yesterday eg Phil Laak, Shannon Elizabeth and Jennifer Tilly. The links were to the site to profiles of the players. They have all been removed. I don't understand why my links have been removed while other websites offering profiles of poker players are allowed to remain? I am just pointing people to our profiles of the players that add to their overall description.


Onaroll 12:11, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Hmm. I really don't know. The links looked okay. I'll ask User:2005, the user who removed them, why he did this. --Boricuaeddie 12:14, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
I have not checked out the content of those links (and can't right now since I'm at work and behind a corporate firewall). I certainly welcome Onaroll and any positive contributions he might make. Keep in mind that posting links to a commercial gaming site that happends to be one's employer may be a conflict of interest. Keeping the poker and gambling articles clear of spam is a constant battle. How about posting the links in some of the talk pages of the players, and stating the value that they add? SmartGuy 13:27, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Please don't spam two dozen external links onto a whole series of articles. It is completely inappropriate, and suggest obvious WP:COI. 2005 10:57, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

OSMTH -Sovereign military order of the temple of jerusalem[edit]

Hello, in your article, you have: 1. Forgotten to mention the split in 1995 that occured in the OSMTH led by Mr Sousa Fontes 2. Consequently , you have named Col Stewart McCarthy as Grand Prior of the USA. This is not true anymore, there have been 3 other grand priors since then, and the current USA Grand Prior is Major General Robert DISNEY. The Grand Master of the Order is Rear Admiral James CAREY. The Grand Commander of the Order is Brigadier General Patrick E. REA. 3. OSMTH International is NOW - SINCE 1995 - NOT LINKED WITH MR FONTES . We are recognosed by the United Nations as an Non Governemental Organisation sine july 2002,we participate in the DPI of the United Nations, and we are member of the International Peace Bureau. 4. at present, we have Grand Priories (autonomous national entities) in 13 countries, and smaller representations in numerous others. 5. Our websites are : (international web site) , (in french), and we have other websites linked to these 2

Thank you to correct your article.

LtCol Marcel de PICCIOTTO Grand Chancellor-elect ,OSMTH

These changes can't be made without including reliable, third-party sources (see WP:V and WP:RS). --Boricuaeddie 13:08, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

PS RELIABLE SOURCES: About the NGO Status and DPI membership : www.UN.ORG , under ECOSOC section, NGOs "sovereign military order of the temple of jerusalem "(OSMTH) , address of Grand Commander and web site address are referenced on page as well as on page:

OTHER SOURCES: our websites cited in text, and our swiss registry Number CH Lt Col de PICCIOTTO

I've posting the message to the article talk page. Hopefully there are editors with the article on their watchlist who will be interested in researching, verifying and writing it into the article. Lara♥Love 13:42, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


so it would be nice if your pages would be "congruent"...

Not sure what you mean by that, but our article is at Sovereign Military Order of the Temple of Jerusalem --Dweller 14:02, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Same link. Ones internal, the other is external... but they lead to the same place. Now, as for the answers and verification, perhaps the problem is that the article has been abandoned. Meaning that no editors are currently checking on it regularly or are interested in maintaining its accuracy. Lara♥Love 14:15, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Not quite... if you click the external link posted by the anon, there's a typo, leading to a blank page. And I didn't understand what was meant by the "congruent" comment (still don't, for that matter) --Dweller 14:21, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Touché. Perhaps he means consistent... or ... oh, maybe he means he would like the information on our site to be "congruent" with that of the sources. That makes sense... kind of. Lara♥Love 15:23, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Strange categorization[edit]

A while ago I added some code to {{non-free reduced}} in order to categorize the ones that have had the tag for more than 7 days (after which the old revisions can be deleted) in Category:Rescaled fairuse images more than 7 days old. However, it seems that it sometimes simply misses a file, and I have not been able to see any pattern to it. For instance, Image:Black Eyed Peas - Dont Phunk With My Heart - CD cover.jpg was tagged 7 days ago now, and at the bottom of the page I do see it listed in the category. However, when I go there, it is not listed. Similarly, a query doesn't list it in that category. I've tried purging everything, and still no luck. It has worked on other files, though, so I'm not sure what could cause this. Maybe just some sort of database lag? I've seen it happen before, and it went away around the time I edited the {{non-free reduced}} template again. --Pekaje 14:20, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Interesting ... It seems a null edit to the template brought some old images into the category all of a sudden. --Pekaje 15:31, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

external links cont...[edit]

Hi there

I have seen the reply to my initial request by SmartGuy who has taken the links I posted yesterday down. SmartGuy can you elaborate on where and what the talk pages of the players are and also can you tell me why poker pages or Bluff magazine for example can link to their articles while I can't link to profiles/interviews on that add to the players' profiles?

Onaroll 14:26, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Relevant policy is WP:EL, although I think the point being made was that the links you provided were probably within policy and therefore should be permitted. Talk pages for articles can be found by going to the relevant article and clicking the "discussion" tag. --Dweller 14:38, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
If you are a poker enthusiast, you may wish to edit on a poker-friendly wiki. You can search WikiIndex for: poker which finds some possibilities: Pokerpedia and PokerWiki. In general, wikis that cater to particular interests accept a wider range of unencyclopedic content in their topic areas than Wikipedia does. That is, on a poker-specific wiki you would just think about poker, whereas on Wikipedia you have to think about all that other policy and guideline stuff. This is not to say you should abandon Wikipedia, but you should also find other wikis that cater to your interests and accept the content that Wikipedia rejects. --Teratornis 15:06, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
If your question is specifically directed to SmartGuy, then why do you not talk to him or her on his or her talk page? --Mayfare 02:21, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia's end[edit]


Hello. If Wikipedia is a Wikimedia Project, then will Wikipedia end? If yes, when? Thanks in advance. --Mayfare 14:45, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I hope not. --Boricuaeddie 14:50, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
It states on Wikipedia:10 things you didn't know about Wikipedia (can't remember the exact name of the article) that Wikipedia's founders want it to last forever, so not too soon! Lradrama 14:52, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
You were close: Wikipedia:10 things you did not know about Wikipedia; the Editor's index never forgets. --Teratornis 14:59, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Hehe thanks for that correction! Knew it was something like that! ;-) Lradrama 18:43, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
We really do hope that wikipedia will not end. However, nothing lasts forever, not the Internet, not humanity, not animals, not life on Earth, not planet Earth, not the solar system, not the Milky way, not the visible universe, not the universe ... and therefore not Wikipedia. However, we still hope it will last for most of humanity. There are still a lot of things, however, that plague Wikipedia with problems. Not all the articles are accurate enough. Admins are deleting almost every single page irrelevent to the encyclopedia. There are a few potential legal issues. People may scream when they see uncensored images. Many websites take advantage of potential spelling errors of to inject malware. The three main server locations are near or even below sea level. A hurricane may damage the Tampa servers. A cold wave may damage the Amsterdam servers. An earthquake may damage the Seoul servers. The computer that runs a critical bot may be turned off by a blackout or natural disaster. People might suddenly go on an anti-geek revolution. A nuclear war may break out and hit the servers. A prankster might make a website stating "proof" that Wikipedia is poisonous to look at. A virus might infiltrate servers. Schools might suddenly ban wikipedia due to censorship and accuracy concerns. Anything is possible, you get the picture. Let's hope these issues will not end wikipedia. Thanks. ~AH1(TCU) 19:57, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Restoring access[edit]

Dear Colleagues,

I have a Wiki account but have lost both my user name and password.

Thank you for helping me restore access to Wikipedia.

Prof. Dr. J. M. Day Universite catholique de Louvain, Belgium —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs).

Hello Prof Day. The bad news is that I'm afraid you'll have to create a new account. The good news is that it's free of charge and doesn't take very long. --Dweller 15:12, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Creating a new account is OK. If you prefer to continue with the old then there may be a chance of reviving it. If you remember pages you have edited with it then look for the user name in the page history. If you find the user name and you gave an email address for the account then request a new password to be sent to the address. PrimeHunter 15:58, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Apologies... I assumed the Prof had already tried this, but that was a crass assumption. Definitely try that first. --Dweller 17:29, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Problem with article[edit]

A user has recently added the Template:Age in years and days to the List of English Football League managers by date of appointment. As part of his edit he seems to have corrupted something. Half of the templates do not work anymore including the featured list ones. In fact it is any below the Tony Mowbray insert. I removed the Tony Mowbray insert (on show preview) and the featured list worked again and a few more cite news templates worked but the majority still didn't work.

As the user has stated on the talk page that he doesn't know what has happened, i thought i would come here. Anyone got an idea how to fix it. Thanks Woodym555 16:07, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

please compatet/help[edit]

my article Budaniv School Ternopil is good and i give to you and your wiki (лицензияланған дерек тарату) please make on front page ok? --Budgenpapertissue 16:11, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

The articles we put on the Main Page are Featured Articles, examples of Wikipedia's best work. Your article unfortunately does not meet those criteria, however you are welcome to try to improve it to get it to that point. Good luck! Hersfold (t/a/c) 16:14, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Some decent articles less than five days old are selected to be mentioned on the Main Page in Wikipedia:Did you know, but your article is far too short to be considered. PrimeHunter 16:23, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Reference desks[edit]

Do other-language wikipedias have reference desks?--PasswordrowssaP 16:33, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes. Go to Wikipedia:Reference Desk. See the box at the side which says: in other languages? THere is a list of other languages' refdesks. The list says:

In other languages العربية Български Cymraeg Deutsch Español فارسی Français हिन्दी Bahasa Indonesia Italiano עברית 日本語 Nederlands ‪Norsk (bokmål)‬ Polski Русский Slovenščina Svenska Tagalog Tiếng Việt 中文 . So, if you want to ask a question in a reference desk in another lanuage, just select one, and ask one there. Be aware, however, that as the refdesks in the other languages belong to wikipedias with less articles and less users, the questions are usually answered slower, less detailed, and less users responding. Thanks. ~AH1(TCU) 19:02, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


Could someone please fix the 'notes and references' section in this page? I don't understand what I've done wrong. Thanks. Gidip 17:04, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I have fixed it for you. The "<ref name=" takes the place of "<ref>". Putting them both in confuses it. ;) Woodym555 17:43, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. Gidip 19:17, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

simple wikipedia help![edit]

Hi. I was editting the simple English wikipedia, and when I pressed page preview (or its simple equivalent), I got an error page. I logged off and tried again, and now I can't get into any pages other than main! If you need to know, I was editting and wanted to add this:

=== Tropical Storm Dean === {{Infobox hurricane current |name=Tropical Storm Dean |time=11 a.m. [[Eastern Daylight Time|EDT]] (1500 [[Coordinated Universal Time|UTC]]) [[August 14]]<!-- SAME DAY, EDT AND UTC: TIME EDT (TIME UTC) DATE. DIFFERENT DAYS, EDT AND UTC: TIME EDT DATE EDT (TIME UTC DATE UTC) ///NOTICE THE DATE UTC INSIDE THE BRACKETS NOT OUTSIDE--> |category=storm |type=tropical storm |image=2007_04L_5-day_track.gif |location=[[latitude|11.7°N]] [[longitude|39.4°W]] ± 30 nm<br />About 1030 mi (1660 km) [[west|W]] <br> of the southernmost [[Cape Verde]]s<br />About 1490 mi (2400 km) [[east|E]] of the [[Lesser Antilles]] |1sustained=35 [[Knot (speed)|knots]] {{!}} 40 [[mph]] {{!}} 65 [[km/h]] |gusts=45 knots {{!}} 50 mph {{!}} 85 km/h |pressure=1004 [[mbar]] ([[hPa]]; 29.65 [[inHg]]) |movement=[[west|W]] at 20 kt {{!}} 23 mph {{!}} 37 km/h }} A strong tropical wave moved off the west coast of [[Africa]] in the second week of August. It quickly gathered itself and turned into into a low on [[August 12]]. Tropical Depression Four was made on [[August 13]] in the east part of the Atlantic from the [[tropical wave]] to the south of [[Cape Verde]]. The depression was already having continuing deep thunderstorms, but mostly at the west part of its spinning because of [[wind shear]] from the east.<ref name="td4disc1">{{cite web|author=Knabb|year=2007|title=Tropical Depression Four Discussion One|publisher=National Hurricane Center|accessdate=2007-08-14|url=}}</ref> The depression was supposed to become stronger a lot over the next few days<ref name="td4disc1"/> due to [[wind shear]] becoming more weak and warmer [[sea surface temperature]]s which made conditions better for it to become stronger.<ref name="td4disc2">{{cite web|author=Knabb|year=2007|title=Tropical Depression Four Discussion Two|publisher=National Hurricane Center|accessdate=2007-08-14|url=}}</ref> The depression moved west very fast, south of a deep layered high,<ref name="td4disc3">{{cite web|author=Brown/Franklin|year=2007|title=Tropical Depression Four Discussion Three|publisher=National Hurricane Center|accessdate=2007-08-14|url=}}</ref> quickly running away from the shear from the east.<ref name="td4disc4">{{cite web|author=Rhome|year=2007|title=Tropical Depression Four Discussion Four|publisher=National Hurricane Center|accessdate=2007-08-14|url=}}</ref> Looking at satellite pictures and microwave and [[QuikSCAT]] information, the depression was changed to Tropical Storm Dean on [[August 14]].<ref name="td4disc5">{{cite web|author=Avila|year=2007|title=Tropical Storm Dean Discussion Five|publisher=National Hurricane Center|accessdate=2007-08-14|url=}}</ref> ====What the storm is doing now==== As of 11 a.m. [[Eastern Daylight Time|EDT]] (1500 [[Coordinated Universal Time|UTC]]) [[August 14]], Tropical Storm Dean's place is at 30 [[nautical mile]]s of [[latitude|11.7°N]] [[longitude|39.4°W]], about 1030 mi (1660 km) [[west]] of the farthest south [[Cape Verde]]s and about 1490 mi (2400 km) [[east]] of the [[Lesser Antilles]]. Biggest actual winds are 35 knots (40 mph, 65 km/h), with stronger gusts. Lowest central pressure is 1004 [[mbar]] ([[hPa]]; 29.65 [[InHg]]), and the system is moving [[west]] at 20 kt (23 mph, 37 km/h). *See the [ NHC public advisory] on Tropical Storm Dean *See the [ NHC forecast discussion] on Tropical Storm Dean {{clear}} [[Category:Tropical cyclones]] [[de:Atlantische Hurrikansaison 2007]] [[es:Temporada de huracanes en el Atlántico, 2007]] [[fr:Saison cyclonique 2007 (Atlantique nord)]] [[nl:Atlantisch orkaanseizoen 2007]] [[sv:Atlantiska orkansäsongen 2007]] [[zh:2007年大西洋颶風季]] .
  • So, can someone either add it or tell me what's going on? There was a wikimedia error just a few days ago, and I got past that a few times. What should I do? Thanks. ~AH1(TCU) 17:18, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
I am not sure what the problem was, but i have not moved your information into the current article. It seems to contain all of th info already, but in a slightly more concise way. Is the problem fixed, now that you can see edit this page or is it this page and the mainpage? Woodym555 17:55, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I'm not certain you understood my question. I meant the Simple English Wikipedia. I was able to partially bypass the error and view articles, but I still can't log in. Usually I got the HTTP 500 error window (I use ewww), but one time it said "Wikipedia has a problem". I checked the page, and it seems to have remained unchanged since I editted it. I last editted it and left it with "==Tropical Storm Dean===". I'm not sure why I can log onto and edit the English wikipedia, but not the simple english one. I was working on articles in different languages, including the simple english one, when this happened. You may be wondering why then, I didn't ask on the simple english wikipedia, but I couldn't log into that. What can I do? Thanks. ~AH1(TCU) 18:17, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, did misunderstand you, don't know why you have a problem, i seem to be able to access it. I don't have enough/any knowledge about that wiki or why you can't access it to be able to answer your question! Sorry. Woodym555 18:35, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


im bobby plokowski and i want to be a admin like everybody else tell me how to be an admin now ok? --BobbyPlokowski 18:25, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi! You mak be looking for Wikipedia:Requests for Adminship, where you can apply to be an admin. However, a few months experience and a couple of thousand edits are generally recommended before you will have a chance of becoming an administrator. You can still help the encyclopedia a lot without being an admin though! :-) Stwalkerster talk 18:31, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
"Everybody else" is not an admin, according to Special:Statistics, only 0.03% of users are admin accounts.--Max Talk (+) 00:55, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Image reproducing too large in info box[edit]

I put a photo that is 167 pixels wide inside an info box and it is reproducing larger than its resolution size, making it look pixellated. I tried to add tags to change it but it looked the same on the preview edit page. Do info box photos act differently than other photos? NovaBeth 18:27, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

The Template:Infobox Artist that you used on J. J. Lankes has an "imagesize" parameter available to use. I have set it at 150px for you. Woodym555 18:41, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much! NovaBeth 18:59, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


Hi, could someone please have a look at these contributions? This guy likes messing around with numbers and some of the nonsense has been overlooked. Thanks. Greetings, -- kh80 19:19, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

You can report obvious and persistent vandals at Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism to be blocked from further editing. Before posting there, a final warning in an escalating series should have been posted to the user's talk page (for example {{Uw-vandal4}}, {{Uw-spam4}} or {{Uw-speedy4}}), and the user must have vandalized within the last few hours, including after the final warning was given. Various warning templates can be found at Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace (easily remembered by the shortcut WP:WARN). Your block request is unlikely to be acted upon unless you follow these steps. Cases that are not simple vandalism can be reported at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Of course, in conjunction with warning against and reporting vandalism, you have the ability, mandate and are encouraged to revert all instances of vandalism you find yourself. Not that this IP has already been warned on their talk page several times.--Max Talk (+) 21:32, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Updating Special:Ancientpages[edit]

Resolved: Andyreply 21:12, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi, when will Special:Ancientpages be updated? How easy is it to update? Many of us would very much love to update the least updated articles! I really hope to see it updated one of these days. Thanks. -- 19:52, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

This page has been disabled and doesn't look as if it will be updated anytime soon, you can ask about it in Wikipedia_talk:Special:Ancientpages. Andyreply 21:12, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Not a lot of people come to the page's talk page. Therefore I was hoping I'd get someone to complete the request more swiftly here. Why has the page been disabled? What's wrong with re-enabling it? -- 22:27, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

How to add an article?[edit]

Please help me with step by step instructions to how to create a new article. I already have it written up, i just need to make it visible for everyone else to search/read.


Jdwong 20:09, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Have a look at Wikipedia:Your_first_article and Help:Starting a new page. KTC 20:14, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


How do I report incorrect information on a topic? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:31, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

You are more than welcome to correct it yourself. If you're not sure you want to do that yet, or if the page is protected from edit for whatever reason, you can go to its Talk Page and point out the problem. Have a look at Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia and related page for more information. KTC 20:36, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Amyloidosis Support Groups Inc.[edit]

We were deleted from the Amyloidosis Page as a resource. We have close to 20 meetings throughout the United States and it is vital that new patients and care givers as well as others know about this. I don't know how we were deleted. Thank you, Muriel Finkel President Amyloidosis Support Groups Inc. removed contact information

Sorry, but Wikipedia is not an advertising service. -- Kesh 21:26, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
If you think your link should be included then make your case here. You may find our policy on Wikipedia:external links useful. --Cherry blossom tree 21:40, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

highlighted links in red[edit]

Resolved: Andyreply 21:06, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I have been told by a wikipedia user Yallery Brown that:

"The highlighting of names in articles should only be done if they actually refer to other existing pages on Wikipedia, otherwise users are directed to a page which says 'This page does not exist'."

Is this true? I had always assumed that the reason for so doing was to draw the attention to other people to missing articles or articles that might be worth writing by someone who knows something about the topic. I thought it was a good way to draw peoples attention to a topic deserving of writing.I thought this was the idea of highlighting and Wiki is certainly well sprinkled with such links...I have even written a few totally new articles after I saw the red links.

Lee Brown 21:00, 14 August 2007 (UTC)frglee 14 August 2007 2200

That is indeed true, linking to other articles should only be done when the article exists, it keeps the article looking professional and stops readers wasting time clicking on dead links. Andyreply 21:06, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Not entirely true… according to a part of the Manual of Style, there are some cases in which redlinks should be allowed, and some in which they should be removed. –Animum 21:08, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Writing an argument[edit]

I want to write an argument onto a wikipedia page, with one side's assertions and the other side's responses - how should I best do this?

Do you really mean an argument (an actual discussion between two parties) or do you mean a disagreement (two groups holding differing or opposing views). You'd have to give more context if you mean the former. For the latter (if you're really asking "how to I write a single NPOV article about a contended issue") then look at existing articles on such subjects (like Global warming controversy). What not to do is a "pro/con" table, as this oversimplifies the debate, makes opinions appear more polarised than they often are, and discounts the (often considerable) ground about which there is consensus (*see below). Writing a single coherent paragraph (never mind article) about such a subject is probably the hardest thing a Wikipedian can do, but if you can fairly and reasonably sum up the agreements and disagreements in text that someone can understand then that's a great success. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 21:38, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
(*note, from above) That pro/con thing might be called a "McLaughlin Group" solution, after a US TV show that covers controversial subjects by having the four most extreme people on earth yell at one another for half an hour. At the end you're no wiser, nothing has been settled or really explained, and the extremists more entrenched than ever. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 21:38, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Template Help[edit]


I recently created {{Botlinks2}}, which includes a link to the bot's RFBA. Unfortunately, I forgot that many bots are approved on their 2nd or 3rd request. For example, my bot, EddieBot, was approved after two requests. Therefore, the "tasks" parameter should link to Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/EddieBot 2 instead of Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/EddieBot. I tried to fix this by using {{#if:{{{2}}}}} so that when I used {{Botlinks2|EddieBot|2}}, the problem would be solved, but it didn't work. Then, I tried to use {{#if:{{{tasks}}}}}, so that when I used {{Botlinks2|EddieBot|tasks=2}}, the problem would be solved, but it didn't work, either. Does anyone know how to solve this? Feel free to make tests at User:Boricuaeddie/Test. --Boricuaeddie 22:00, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not terribly familiar with the BRFA area, but I've made a change to User:Boricuaeddie/Test that I believe will accomplish what you seem to be looking for. Test it out, mention any problems you have. – Luna Santin (talk) 22:29, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Excellent! Thank you very much. --Boricuaeddie 22:33, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I REFERENCED THIS QUOTE............[edit]

I responded to a question, which asked, " give your interpretation between two words" and the answer in which I gave was absolutely awesome. I would like to copyright this interpretation as quoted..... What must I do to make this happen??


Unfortunately, all text submitted to Wikipedia is licenced under the GDFL, and is therefore un-copyright-able. Sorry. :-) Stwalkerster talk 23:06, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

WHAT DO YOU MEAN????????????

Please don't post the same thing over and over again. If you submitted the answer on Wikipedia, it is under the GFDL, and you can't keep people from using it under the GFDL. If you submitted it elsewhere, it might be your own copyright, or the copyright of the site owner. You have to tell us more, although I don't think general ideas can be copyrighted --Lucid 00:21, 15 August 2007 (UTC)