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November 27[edit]

Category "abuse"[edit]

I don't know the proper etiquette for this situation, i.e. editing another person's user page. User:C0N6R355/Userboxes/cleardanger seems to have placed him or herself in Category:Films based on military fiction. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:10, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I frequently edit or comment mainspace categories out from userspace pages with an informative edit summary, but you can also drop a note at User talk:C0N6R355 and edit it out later if there is no reaction. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:19, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Okay, thanks. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:44, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Peer Review[edit]

How would I go about requesting a peer review for an article? The Clawed One (talk) 00:16, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Peer review. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:21, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


I accidentally used the wrong user name for my profile. Do I have to delete my profile and start over or can I change it? If I do have to delete it, where do I do that at?? Thanks . . . .

Asperkourt (talk) 02:04, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

This is your only edit so just create a new account. Accounts cannot be deleted. The name can be changed but it's easier to create a new account when you haven't edited yet. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:07, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
However, should you wish to change your name, you may make a request at WP:CHU. I (talk) 02:09, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


I typed in Boston for the group and got the city. There was no other references or lists for the word Boston. Could this web site be any more confusing or frustrating??? and there is no send button on this stupid page. What a piece of crap this site is! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:26, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps, you didn't see Boston (disambiguation) right at the top before start of the Boston city text. I am sure, if you hang in for some more time in this site, you would perhaps never call it a crap. Anyway, happy browsing. DSachan (talk) 03:31, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
If you go to the page Boston, you are redirected to Boston, Massachusetts. The first line of the page links you to Boston (disambiguation). A disambiguation page lists multiple uses of the same word and links them to their related Wikipedia articles. This disambiguation page should list the group you're looking for. There are several groups with that name, so just look through the list for the one you want. On a different note, please read Wikipedia's civility policy, and don't insult the people you want to get help from. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 03:38, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
(edit conflict)Boston redirects to Boston, Massachusetts which at the top says:
Boston (disambiguation) has many links to things called Boston, including Boston (band). If you had clicked the "Search" button below the search box then you would get a list of search results [1] which also includes Boston (band). You apparently found "Save page" which I think is more descriptive for saving changes to an existing wiki page than "Send" would be. "Send" may be more appropriate for systems where you cannot change what has already been written by others. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:42, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
I may realize your displeasure in not being able to find the article you want but, it's quite rude to make first contact with a person or group of people and insult the fruit of their hobbies, pastimes, or livelihood. Mac Davis (talk) 04:30, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
To the original questioner: many people report better results from searching Wikipedia with external search engines. For example:
That finds Boston, Massachussetts (the city) as the first result, and Boston (band) as the second result. About your second comment, the lack of a "Send" button on this page (the Help desk), that confuses people too, because the Help desk works like what we call a talk page, and if you have not used a wiki before, it is not like the other online discussion sites you have probably used. Wiki technology is kind of like going to a new planet for some people (it was for me). Wikipedia is not for everyone, only 33,186,355 registered users (so far). And to Mac Davis, on the Help desk we must cultivate a thick skin and lots of sangfroid. New users come here with frustration piled on confusion, so it's understandable that some of them will blow off a little steam. Wikipedia does not restrict its usage to polite people - Wikipedia also welcomes blunt and even rude people. Words on a screen don't hurt us, and besides, Wikipedia certainly bites back. As far as criticism goes, Wikipedia's built-in search feature attracts a lot, because just about everyone is familiar with popular search engines that work noticeably better. When someone maligns Wikipedia's search feature, they are not maligning you or me (unless we actually worked on that part). And even if that is our work, critical thinking demands that we consider criticisms on their merits (maybe, just maybe, the search feature could be better), and overlook irrelevant insults. Responding to insults by getting emotional won't fix the root cause problems any sooner. The online world is a fantastically cruel place, and anything less than a credible death threat hardly rates (with style points deducted if the flamer fails to stick the landing). Just my opinion, anyway. --Teratornis (talk) 23:40, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
I might add, about the lack of a "Send" button on the Help desk, that Liquid Threads may someday make Wikipedia's talk pages more understandable to people who are used to threaded discussion software. --Teratornis (talk) 23:43, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

A page about my company: wanting to do it by the rules[edit]

I've been asked by the engineering firm I work for to start a Wikipedia page. The firm is mentioned several times in various articles across Wikipedia, but as yet there is no active page. I have looked around for Wiki projects to help me but there doesn't really seem to be one for engineering firms. I'm turning to this page to

I respect the principles of Wikipedia and given my COI I would like assistance in "authorising" the article. I of course recognise that it is then open to the editing process.

I have written suggested copy and coded it up on my talk page. I have made an honest attempt to include only facts and no marketing hype. I've also chosen a representative list of clients and projects for the firm that have their own Wikipedia pages.

The suggested page name would be Sinclair_Knight_Merz

Happy to discuss this with anyone via my talk page or here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mathardy (talkcontribs) 03:27, 27 November 2007 (UTC) sorry forgot to sign --Mat Hardy (Affentitten) (talk) 03:28, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I realize Wikipedia might seem confusing at first, (please click on the blue words to read the policy/guide they refer to). Wikipedia is not like other sites you may have come across. First, it is an encyclopedia. What this means, is that it is not MySpace, or FaceBook, or a place to host personal webspace, or a place where editors can make articles about anything they wish. Wikipedia has Core policies, such as neutrality, notability, verifiability, etc. What does all of this mean? Well, it means that any article on Wikipedia must demonstrate notability (meaning it must be note worthy, covered by the media, etc.), and have reliable, third-party sources (such as news media articles, magazine/trade journal articles) written about the subject, and the information given in the article must cite those sources to verify it is true. From those sources, information is summarized, paraphrased, condensed, and worded neutrally to make an encyclopedic entry (information cannot be copied from other sites). Finally, per the conflict of interest guideline, and it is good you recognize that there is a potential COI issue, you would likely be unable to edit the article neutrally. If your company is notable, the chances are it would exist already. If it is notable but does not exist, please consider submitting the entry to articles for creation with the proper sources, neutrally written, so that an uninvolved editor can create it to avoid conflict of interest. I glanced at your talk page, and what is there does not explain why this company is any more notable than the many others that do not have an article here, nor does it cite any reliable third-party sources. Please see the criteria for notability related to companies for further help with this. For more general information, see Wikipedia's manual of style, layout guide, your first article, article development, and how to edit for assistance. Hope that helps, ArielGold 03:32, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Despite the clear conflict of interest, I don't think you have made a bad start. At least you came here to ask for advice first before creating the page in the main article space, and then been surprised and annoyed if someone quickly deleted it again. To expand on what user:ArielGold has said above, I think it needs references from reliable 3rd party sources to back up the company's involvement in the major projects mentioned - for example, I'm sure you could track down articles in trade publications or on major UK or Australian newspaper sites mentioning the company's involvement in these projects. You could take a look at other construction industry articles to see how other editors have tackled this. Astronaut (talk) 04:17, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
I think the article you wrote was a good article by Wikipedia's standards, and it only needs some citations or references, and to be stuck in the right categories for the category browsers. Most Wikipedia articles start out much humbler. Make sure when you're leaving a conversational message on Wikipedia to press ~~~~ for a signature and time so we can keep track of things. If you need any more help with anything on Wikipedia you can always ask at the help desk, or me or an administrator on their talk page. Mac Davis (talk) 04:27, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
The article for creation page seems to be on the right track, but it appears to be for new and unregistered users, of which I am neither. Regarding citation, the firm is mentioned repeatedly in the emdia (eg. a factiva search for the last 12 months scores 137 returns for the Australian media alone and that's just for the full company name and not the acronym. Google gives me 150,000 returns. Do I just have to provide a representative slice of such secondary sources? Or do I have to cite each 'fact' that is reported? At present, the company obviously seems notable enough for other parties unknown to me to have written it into other Wikipedia articles. Thanks for the help so far. I feel a bit compromised doing this because I do have another personal Wikipedia life with this same user name. But I'm attempting this article in my work time at an employer's request.--Mat Hardy (Affentitten) (talk) 04:37, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Some suggestions. 1) It's too long; lose the "representative list of clients" and such like. Mention only the biggest gigs the firm has done, and those only if you can find third-party articles about them. 2) Make use of those other Wikipedia articles that mention this company. Why is it mentioned? That's relevance right there. 3) You need cites/sources for the very facts that make the firm notable: size, unique characteristics (without peacock words) and famous events it was involved in. 4) Omit anything that smacks of bragging, advertisement or special pleading; and anything vanity-stroking, like a roster of executives. 5) Continue on the noble path of full disclosure. 6) Be prepared for folks to have a knee-jerk reaction against the inherent Conflict of Interest. --Orange Mike | Talk 05:19, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

One thing you could do is tag it with {{COI}} right from the start, so people know you're aware of it. Mentioning it on the article's talk page will also help. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 14:46, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
You mentioned:
  • I have looked around for Wiki projects to help me but there doesn't really seem to be one for engineering firms.
You did not mention exactly where you looked. WikiIndex aims to be the most comprehensive listing of wikis, so that's a logical place to start. For example, Wikicompany wants to list every legally incorporated company in the world, so regardless of what may happen to your article on Wikipedia, you should write another article on Wikicompany, where you won't have as many editing constraints as here. Also check out Engineering Wiki, and the other wikis relating to engineering. And thanks again for checking on the Help desk first. --Teratornis (talk) 18:41, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
If you're talking about a WikiProject on Wikipedia, then WikiProject Engineering looks like it covers engineering companies as well as general engineering topics, so they may be able to offer some assistance. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 22:23, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

brain teazer[edit]

what is 4 L on C —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:46, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I have no idea - brain teasers are not my strong point! However, this page is for answering questions about Wikipedia, so you may get a better response at the Reference desk which answers general knowledge questions. Alternatively, you could check out Brain teaser. -- Kateshortforbob 09:57, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Might be 4 Legs on Cats and many other things, but this is not the place. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:48, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

used transparent pet[edit]

please let me know how I can sell the transparent which have been used before? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:27, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure what you mean. Are you talking about pets, as in a companion animal - perhaps some kind of accessory? Alternatively, PET which is a type of plastic. Either way, this page is for answering questions about Wikipedia. You may have better luck at the Reference desk, which answers general knowledge questions. -- Kateshortforbob 09:54, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


what is the living condition in eritria —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:03, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

We have an article about Eritrea. Have you tried the Humanities section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:38, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Denis Griffiths, Welsh tenor[edit]


I have created and edited an artickle about Denis Griffiths, the Welsh tenor who sang for the BBC in Wales and featured alongside Ivor Emmanuel in the popular 1960s TWW TV series 'Land of Song'. Although I have inserted some references/footnotes, they do not appear in the saved page. Can this be corrected please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pkgriffiths (talkcontribs) 12:28, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Fixed in [2]. There must be code to tell where to place the references. See more at Wikipedia:Footnotes. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:42, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Help With The Quiet Riot Page[edit]

The Quiet Riot page currently has a banner requesting help in 'cleaning up' the page. I attempted to edit a few of the paragraphs and wanted to contribute a new photo to the page as well. I have picture of the band which looks more traditional and is of a higher resolution than the one currently featured. I attempted to upload this image several times but was never successful and in doing so seem to have caused an error I cannot correct. Currently, the original image no longer appears and I have been unable to restore it. I have no desire to deface the page and wanted to alert somone so that this can be corrected as soon as possible.

PGW123 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pgw123 (talkcontribs) 12:30, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Symbol note.svg Reply to question is on his/her talk page. VivioFateFan (Talk, Sandbox) 13:10, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Having difficulties creating a new article for Laaza[edit]


I have been trying to create a new article for Laaza. I have done some editing work in the wikipedia in past but this is the first time i have created a new article. The main difficulties i have faced is with the picture i have uploaded. The picture i had uploaded is a snapshot of the web page. This page is copy right protected and I have authority to use it. While i was editing the image it asked for the source and other thing about the image and I could not find where i could answer those questions. please guide me what should I do next. thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajayadev (talkcontribs) 12:38, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

It seems the article has been deleted. Make sure to read a guide to your first article. — Rudget contributions 16:13, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Underlining header[edit]

Any idea how I can restore the line under the title of the article? Before when I selected always render PNG under "Math" in my preferences the line would appear across the page seperating the title from the article but now it isn't working. Perhaps it is the fundraising header thats stopping it? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Talk"? 14:29, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Maybe. Try "hiding" the message or clicking "HTML if possible or else PNG" in my preferences. — Rudget contributions 16:16, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Question about posting a new article[edit]


I've signed up under the username Worthyfashion, which also happens to be the name of the startup company I work for. I'm trying to write an informational article (not an advertisement) on my company, but I was only able to create a user:worthyfashion page. I then moved it somewhere(I'm not exactly sure where), but it only comes up when one searches for the username Worthyfashion. How can I create a page about Worthy Fashion that will appear universally? Thanks

Worthyfashion (talk) 15:12, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it already appears universally, try searching Worthyfashion in the searchbox to the left. I must warn you though, in it's current state, it is likely to be speedily deleted as either spam/advertisement content. Best, — Rudget contributions 16:18, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Getting a review or comments.[edit]

I was wondering where I'd be able to get some help on what to do to improve the McFly (band) article. I did ask in Requests for feedback but it didn't receive any replies. --Stacey talk 15:48, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Go to peer review. It may take a few days though. — Rudget contributions 16:12, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
You can also kindly ask experienced members (that is, all that peer review is anyway); perhaps I'll take a look at it. Mac Davis (talk) 01:59, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Your section on the 16th Amendment of the Constitution is erroneous.[edit]

You stated on there that the "conspiracy theorists" who state the 16th amendment was never properly ratified cite no authority for their contentions. That is blatantly false. Please google William Benson who wrote a two volumn book on that very issue. He traveled to all the states and obtained copies of the so called ratification of that amendment and in fact proved that one of the states recorded the vote improperly which if correctly recorded would have resulted in the defeat of the amendment. That is only one example of the many problems he found.

I do not know how to edit this nor do I have the expertise to do so , but I would assume you would want the correct information on your site.... Here is one example or link.

Here is another one....

Here is another one.

Here is another one.

This last link shocked me, because you have the information and yet you state there was no authority cited by those who believe the amendment was not ratified or ratified illegally based on various state constitutions and procedures for such ratification. How come this is not cited as one of their authorities??? What about the court case in which Benson is now allowed to use his book in his defense and the IRS has not pursued further prosecution of him as he continues to refuse to pay his income taxes??? Now that he can use his extensively researcched book with documentation to support his contention, they know it would open a can of worms and cause havoc on the system. Your entire section on the 16th amendment is so biased I was shocked. It sounds like it was written by the IRS. Is that the case???? I am simply incapable of doing this myself as I am not an expert in computer work or editing. I would appreciate it if you would correct the problem yourself. Thanks.

My email address is <removed>

If possible I would like a response. If this is corrected I will support your work, otherwise, you have lost credibility with me and others if not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:06, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure how this is related to the functions of Wikipedia, you may want to be shown to reference desk. — Rudget contributions 16:19, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for your suggestion. When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the Edit this page link at the top. The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). Hersfold (t/a/c) 16:23, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
The anon appears to be extending the sentence "Conspiracy theorists do not assert any authority for their contention that state resolutions are invalid if they do not exactly mirror in every particular the amendment as proposed by Congress." to all contentions made by tax protesters. Either their reading comprehension is poor or they are looking for something to be angry about. Natalie 17:24, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


I am not sure if this is the correct forum to ask this question, but I signed onto Wikipedia to look up the poem "the Jumblies" by Edward Lear (hoping to get some information on the poem or the author) and all I got was the " Breast" page. Is there anyway to change that redirect? The page, and the redirect were created by Wikipedia themselves and so it seems no outside changes work.--Jumblies (talk) 16:18, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

It seems to work for me. See The Jumblies. — Rudget contributions 16:21, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
It seems you've solved this problem yourself - the Jumblies now exists as an article. Hersfold (t/a/c) 16:22, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
(e/c) Jumblies used to redirect to Breast. I just changed it to redirect to The Jumblies. --barneca (talk) 16:23, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Lyrics and poetry if you want to make a poetry article. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:54, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Question on e-mail address[edit]

I have registered my e-mail address on my account. But recently someone has been trying to hijack my account. I know this because I keep receiving "New temporary password for Wikipedia" e-mails which I didn't request myself. Is it safe to remove my e-mail address from my account so these would stop? After all, it is optional. Or should I just ignore the messages to be on the safer side (I even made a filter on my e-mail account to make sure)? BTW, I have received five or seven of these in this month alone. Sorry if this is not the correct place to ask you this... - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 16:27, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

That basically means that someone's sending you password retrieval passwords frequently in an attempt to annoy you. Filtering them from your email is a reasonably sensible thing to do in such a circumstance. The problem with removing an email address altogether is that although that's legitimate, it will mean that you won't be able to recover your password if you do forget it, whereas you could just remove the filter with your present situation. The messages should tell you the IP of the person trying to recover your password; if the same IP shows up a lot there, you may want to bring the situation to the attention of administrators (at the admins' incident noticeboard). Oh, and you probably know this already, but such messages are safe to ignore if you didn't ask for them; your old password continues to work. --ais523 16:35, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
I know. I deleted the password requests to the trash, so I can't confirm if this is the same person. The filter that I also installed directs the password retrieval request e-mails to the trash. I will put the IP address on my general sandbox for comparison. In case another one comes, I'll list it. But what if there are different IP are doing the same thing even if they have the same initial digits? - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 17:07, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Why is editing so impossible?[edit]

I found a really stupid blooper, but maybe I'm even stupider than it because I can't figure out how to fix it. Every click leads to yet another dead end. Why does Wikipedia make editing so impossible? (And why does "Wikipedia" show as a misspelling in this form?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:21, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

It would help explain why you're running into trouble if you told us what article had the error, what the error was, and how you tried to fix it and couldn't. --barneca (talk) 17:24, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Which page did you try to edit and what happened? If it's not protected then there is an "edit this page" tab at the top. Click that, or click "edit" to the right of a section you want to edit. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:25, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
  • As for why "Wikipedia" is shown as a misspelling in the textbox: computers are dumb. They don't know how to spell a word unless you give them a dictionary of words to search. Your computer doesn't know "Wikipedia" is a correct word, so it marks it incorrect, just as the spelling checker in my word processor does with my name. - Mgm|(talk) 22:45, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


Mr&Mrs Or Mrs&mr-which is the correct form of address? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:02, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello, and thanks for coming and visiting us here at Wikipedia! We appreciate your coming here. Unfortunately, this desk is for questions related to the working of Wikipedia. However, we have a desk (the reference desk) for all sorts of factual questions including yours. Just ask over there! Regards, Neranei (talk) 18:06, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

What do i do?[edit]

I want to contribute information to wikipedia. the problem is that i don't know how. can you help me? Rholloway71 (talk) 18:47, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

The following (template:welcome) has been added to your talk page and is repeated here, it may help. If you have further questions please ask. RJFJR (talk) 18:52, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

No edit option?[edit]

On this page's_Inns there is no edit option for the first section apparently, which contains some errors that i wish to correct.

What to do?

Thank you, Carraig2 (talk) 19:16, 27 November 2007 (UTC).

For the introduction, you have to click the edit this page button at the top, then for sections you can either click [edit] or use the edit this page button at the top. Qst 19:41, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


How do I delete a file I uploaded? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Careered (talkcontribs) 19:17, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

You cannot, only users who are administrators have the ability to delete pages, as well as protect pages and block vandals. Qst 19:40, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
I believe you can also place {{db-author}} on the image page, and an admin will review the request and delete if appropriate. I assume you're talking about Image:Brooks inst.jpg, which is not used in any article, doesn't have copyright info, and was uploaded by you earlier today. --barneca (talk) 20:02, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

editing an article[edit]

I am trying to edit the article on geographic profiling, and have created an account (librarysloth). When I click to edit the page, all that appears to be editable is the reference list. Am I missing something? I am new to this... sarah aka librarysloth —Preceding unsigned comment added by Librarysloth (talkcontribs) 19:39, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Click the "edit this page" link right at the top of the page. This will allow you to edit the whole article. -- Kateshortforbob 19:43, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
You ran into this problem because the Geographic profiling article only has a lead section and the references section. Only the latter section has a section-edit link, so you have to edit the whole page at once as the above reply instructs. You might want to read WP:LAYOUT to see how a better-developed article will have more sections (and each additional section heading will get its own section-edit link). See WP:CITE, WP:FOOT, and WP:CITET if you want to edit the references or add more. You may want to keep the cheatsheet open in a browser tab for reference while you edit. And welcome to Wikipedia. --Teratornis (talk) 22:38, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Girlscout troop[edit]

I am trying to find a web-site on how to curl I would like to teach my girlscout troop about this winter sport but, I myself do not know a single thing about Curling nor can I find a website that explains it to me. Could someone please share some info with me. <email removed> —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:20, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

This is for Wikipedia related problems, we can't help you here, sorry. Qst 20:26, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
The Reference desk may be able to provide some information, and our article on Curling could be of some use, and this link should provide some good external sites for you. I've removed your email address for your security. Hersfold (t/a/c) 20:37, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Or try the Canadian Curling Association website

It has a learn to curl section. Wanderer57 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 00:35, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Request to split an article[edit]

I believe the "Convertible" article should be split, with the "Cabriolet" section becoming a separate article titled "Cabriolet (carriage)". Is this something I can do myself (if so, how?) or should I ask an administrator to do it? Fbarw (talk) 20:33, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

You can put the template {{splitsection|Cabriolet (carriage)}} on the top of the section in question. Wait for a discussion on the talkpage. Remember that silence equals consensus. Then, you can simply create the new article yourself and replace the section with {{main article}}. NF24(radio me!) 20:37, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
OK, I'll try this. But what happens to links from other articles to the old and new articles, and to redirects? Are they changed automatically or does this have to be done one by one? Fbarw (talk) 13:45, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Kevin Hart, Major League Baseball[edit]

Date of birth should be 12/29/82 and place of birth Cleveland, Ohio

Dickie Gene —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dickie Gene (talkcontribs) 20:37, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Go ahead and fix it yourself. That's what a wiki's all about! NF24(radio me!) 20:42, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Please help me find...[edit]

Dear friend: I need to find out the distance between Ontario Airpor, Ca., to Cudahy, Ca. PLEASE! Thank you so much!

BILL D. (a 74 1/2 year old visually impared veteran). Retired, but now refired! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:40, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Bill. Though this is the help desk for learning how to do things here on Wikipedia, I had a free moment and looked it up for you. It's just over 40 miles. Jeffpw (talk) 21:44, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

wiki in the workplace[edit]

how can i use wiki in my company? 22:32, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

What exactly do you mean? If you want you can visit wikipedia from your work computer. If you want you can have your own wiki by downloading mediawiki from this website--Phoenix-wiki (talk · contribs) 22:39, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Also see:
--Teratornis (talk) 07:47, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

company wiki[edit]

how can I create a company wiki? 22:37, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Download mediawiki from this site--Phoenix-wiki (talk · contribs) 22:40, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

How do you set it up so only registered users can edit?[edit]

Someone has been messing around with the Bo Pelini (potential Nebraska coach) page and it is a mess and its mostly unregistered users. DandyDan2007 (talk) 22:53, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

WP:RFPP is the place you want. Be sure to request semi-protection. NF24(radio me!) 22:55, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Further reading: Wikipedia:Protection policy

Internal link to a closely related term?[edit]

Currently Wikipedia has no terms volatile sulfur compounds nor its abbreviation VSCs. At this time I do not wish to start them either.

I only want to internally link the words volatile sulfur compounds with the existing term organosulfur compounds.

How do I make such a special internal hyperlink to an existing Wikipedia term that is not identically worded? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zymatik (talkcontribs) 22:59, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi Zymatik. What you do is make a piped link like this [[organosulfur compounds|volatile sulfur compounds]]. The text on the left side of the pipe (one of these: "|") tells the software what to link to and the text on the right of the pipe tells the software what to display. For more on linking, see WP:LINK. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:17, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
I think what you want to do is redirect the alternate wordings to the article. To do this, create an article under the alternate wordings with just
#redirect [[organosulfur compounds]]
as the content. This will direct anyone who goes to those pages to the article. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 23:14, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. The technique worked like a charm for the article Finings. I wound up using the technique to at least 4 other articles. I'll save the tip in my Wikipedia tips files (Notepad files; on my PC) for future reference.--Zymatik (talk) 00:19, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Regarding your edit [3], please see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (links)#Overlinking and underlinking: what's the best ratio?. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:40, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

How do you make an article?[edit]

Hi, my name is Haley and i am curious to make a factual article, and not fool around with other articles. I am here for a factual article, and i want to know how to make one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:00, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.
Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.
If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:06, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


I have a question to ask about flagicons. Was there a decision to remove them from articles? There is a user that has been taking a number of them down from articles and before I began reverting, I figured I'd ask. Thanks in advance. --Candy156sweet (talk) 23:05, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I suggest you discuss with the user first. Others have already posted to User talk:Aspects if that's the user you have in mind. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:10, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
I've posted to ask him on his talkpage. Thanks! --Candy156sweet (talk) 23:13, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Take a look at WP:FLAG - "Flag images, especially flag icons in biographical infoboxes, should not be used to indicate birth or death places, as this may imply an incorrect citizenship or nationality." Funeral 23:18, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

She undid all of Aspects edits, i don't think she saw this. I'll leave her a note on her talk page. -Yamanbaiia (talk) 23:25, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Since it was my edits that brought it up, I responded on my talk page. I obviously need to cite the manual of style page when I make this futures edits, so people know why I am changing the page. She reverted all of her reverts. Aspects (talk) 00:07, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Improving an article[edit]


I created an article on the film director, Samuel Kevin Day. I have seen some of the movies that he has directed and produced and noticed that there is not a page on him. I wrote an article and it has been deleted. What can I do to improve my article os that it will stay posted?

Thank you very much. You can find Samuel Kevin Day in IMDB database, in the movie section of any newspaper and in Blockbuster and HOLLYWOOD VIDEO STORES. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Farra101 (talkcontribs) 23:42, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

You must provide references to establish notability per the notability guidelines for people. Otherwise it will be speedily deleted, like it has been already. NF24(radio me!) 23:58, 27 November 2007 (UTC)