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October 12[edit]

Heading lines through pics[edit]

I've seen quite a few pages in which the heading line overlaps pics on the pages. Is there a way to fix this when editing?CrazyLuca 03:13, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

It would help if you could give us an example of a page with this problem. Without actually seeing the pages you have in mind, the best I can suggest is to read Wikipedia:How to fix bunched-up edit links. --Teratornis 16:13, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

OK. The last one a ran into was Killraven. The pic on the bottom left has two headings crossing through it. CrazyLuca 19:51, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Put {{-}} at the bottom of the section containing the picture, which would be at the bottom of the Other versions section. Leebo T/C 20:05, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Industrial age[edit]

how did the conditions of the early industrial age improve? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:19, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

You should ask knowledge questions at the Reference Desk, or check the article on the Industrial Revolution; we're here to help you use Wikipedia. Please do your own homework, however. Hersfold (t/a/c) 04:26, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Also keep in mind that when trying not to do your own homework, you should ask questions that are specific enough to admit answers. The word "conditions" by itself is utterly vague. Conditions for what? You might mean living conditions, business conditions, political conditions, scientific conditions, medical conditions, etc. We can't help you cheat unless we know what you need. --Teratornis 16:16, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

new article[edit]

hi I was wondering what do i click on to start my own article? I cant find it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wwerifleman1994 (talkcontribs) 04:12, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

This page should give you some information on what to do, and this page should help you actually get started. Hersfold (t/a/c) 04:23, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Recovering an account with a forgotten password and no email address recorded[edit]

It has been a while since I've used Wikipedia, and I've forgotten my password. How do I recover an account with a forgotten password? The "E-Mail New Password" button responds with "Login error: Error sending mail: There is no e-mail address recorded for user "******"." —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:31, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Short answer: You don't. Unfortunately, if you didn't confirm an email address for your account, there's nothing anyone can do. You can create a new account and edit the old account's user page to mention that you're now using the new account, if you wish. Sorry. Hersfold (t/a/c) 05:12, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Process to upload our Institute Details as in following Page :[edit]

 Please explain the process to upload the details as in following page :
   I have found the following details in that page :

" India The Indian Institutes of Management (IIM) are the oldest institutions for management education in India. Gaining admission to any of the IIM schools requires passing the Common Admission Test. The acceptance rate is less than 1%, making the IIMs among the world's most selective schools. Although the institute offers a postgraduate diploma in management rather than an MBA degree, the institute's diploma has gained prestige in India.

The Indian School of Business (ISB), founded by its partners Wharton Business School, Kellogg School of Management, and London Business School, offers a non-accredited one-year program focusing on Indian-International Businesses. The school awards a certificate rather than a diploma or degree.[8] "

Similarly how to add our institute details to the above data. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vignanajyothi (talkcontribs) 05:33, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

It looks like you've already tried to add details of your institution to that page, and your edit was reverting because it's a pretty blatant advertisement. Please don't do that anymore, or you may be blocked. GlassCobra (Review) 13:22, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
To understand what probably suggested "blatant advertising" to the other editor who deleted your contribution, see: WP:PEACOCK. Two examples of peacock language (i.e., promotional language) in your excerpt above are:
  • "among the world's most selective schools."
  • "the institute's diploma has gained prestige in India."
The second is also an example of weasel words, because you did not specify with whom the diploma has gained prestige. Please read our guidelines: WP:PEACOCK and WP:WEASEL. You may find that both guidelines tend to strike at the heart of what is probably the normal pattern of communication you have learned in the course of your career. Because your career, like most careers, is about promoting something. On Wikipedia, we are trying to build an encyclopedia, and encyclopedic writing is very different than the everyday kind of writing most people have learned. Now, it may be that the promotional statements you gave are perfectly true; but as they are likely to be challenged (for example, by your competitors), then you must provide reliable sources for them. Can you find a reliable published source in which someone else evaluated the selectivity and prestige of your institution? If so, then you can cite that publication. However, to avoid undue weight, you should also cite reliable sources that evaluate the selectivity and prestige of your institution differently, if there are such sources. --Teratornis 16:10, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

msurs sapatriarqos mgalobeta gundis shesrulebt sagaloblebi "kirie leison" "da micyale me gmerto chemo"[edit]

chemi misamartia tu shegidzliat rogorme damexmaret. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:23, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

This is the English Wikipedia; we only answer questions in English here. Since you knew to ask your question here, presumably you understand at least two English words ("Help" and "desk"). If you are more comfortable posing questions in another language, see List of Wikipedias to find a Wikipedia in your language. Also note that we tend to be skeptical of questions that purport to be in a foreign language, because pranksters occasionally troll the Help desk by pretending to speak fictitious foreign languages. --Teratornis 15:57, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
(after edit conflict} Hello. This is the English Wikipedia. I'm not 100% sure what language you are writing in but as a best guesses, the Georgian equivalent of this page is here. The Russian Wikipedia is here. If they have a held desk, it is not listed here in a manner I can find as a non-speaker and reader.--Fuhghettaboutit 16:21, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Sidenote to any Russian speakers: the Russian Wikipedia is fairly large so I suspect they probably do have a help desk. Can someone check and then add the interlanguage link to Wikipedia:Help desk/Header?--Fuhghettaboutit 16:21, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Google does a remarkably passable job of translating Russian Wikipedia pages to English. I browsed around in the English Googlefied version and found this: Wikipedia: Forum / Support. Maybe someone else can figure out what the correct interlanguage link to that page is going to be. --Teratornis 23:14, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Although the language is completely unknown to me, at least one segment of the question refers to "kirie eleison" which is Greek for "Lord have mercy on us", so they may be looking for Kyrie. Dr.K. 23:54, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Hedge against inflation[edit]

What is the best investment to hedge against Inflation? I have about $ 200,000.00 That I would like to invest, Time frame is about 4 years until I retire at 50.

The Help Desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. Perhaps you should try calling an investment firm? GlassCobra (Review) 13:26, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
We cannot give advice that can be provided to you in your area by a licensed professional, and this is something that you really should trust an expert with. Leebo T/C 13:33, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm very tempted to say your best hedge against inflation is to give me all your money, but then you would need to find a hedge against poverty. Of course read Wikipedia:Disclaimer before sending me all your money. Seriously, I hope you weren't going to act on any investment advice you would get by asking questions here. --Teratornis 18:48, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

How do I provide source/author information for a photograph[edit]


I recently checked on a photo I had uploaded some time ago for the Lhasa Apso page, which has since been tagged as lacking author/source information here:

I had written in the licensing section that the photograph was taken by my wife, and with her permission we released it under the GFDL. What more is required to give proper author attribution to me so it can continue being used? Thank you for your time.

--Mike Wolfe 13:45, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

You need to mention that by editing the image description page on Commons (where the image is hosted), commons:Image:Lhasa Apso Puppy Mochi.jpg. Put it under a heading like ==Source== so it's obvious. You probably want to remove the {{no source since}} tag at the same time (remove the entire row of the image description page). --ais523 13:48, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
I have edited it for you, check that the information is correct, if it isn't please change it. Hope this helps. Thanks Woodym555 13:59, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Yes, the information is correct, thank you both very much for your prompt and helpful assistance. --Mike Wolfe 14:14, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


I tried to add information to the Richard Dawkins artical and screwed up the referencing. It shows a whole bunch of info that I did not put. I put a ref tag and then the url and then a /ref. This made the whole artical show up in the references at the bottom. I just wanted the info about his awesome southpark appearence for the quote because it was funny notable and not in the artical. 13:53, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

For assistance with how to properly format references, please see citing sources, reliable sources, footnotes, and Wikipedia's manual of style. I'd also suggest the following for review, as information such as trivia should not be added to the introduction. Layout guide, First article, Article development and How to edit. Hope that helps, and I've fixed the article. ArielGold 14:01, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Status-Quo related vandalism[edit]

From the latest b3ta newsletter:

>> Quopedia vandalism << "Hello b3ta Towers," blurps danbull45, "We would like to divulge to you the following very sinister secret. Using a variety of aliases and cunning page edits, we have now subtly shopped Status Quo into nearly 200 different photos on Wikipedia. Our aim is for every image in Wikipedia to have Teh Quo hidden somewhere within it. We'd like to show you the fruits of our labour, but for obvious reasons can't reveal the location of each image - so here is a taster of our handiwork. Perhaps your newsletter's readers could aid us in our glorious mission?"

There is a weblink in the original newsletter to a photo: the same photo is in the Notting Hill carnival (photo of the crowd) and is vandalised. 14:59, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I've just looked at the picture of the crowd in the Notting Hill carnival article and there doesn't appear to be anything wrong with the picture at all. ~ Bella Swan 15:15, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
At the left side of the pic, at about 4 o'clock beneath the 'Kebabs Fish and Chips' sign, there's Francis Rossi and the other one (the pretty one who lost his looks) - very small, infront of a blue ?curtain/screen. They're very small - you'll need eagle eyes. In the original newsletter there's a link to the image which you can enlarge so that they're easily visible, but I couldn't link to as it's a banned site. 15:20, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
To see the original newsletter, go to then click ' read newsletter 298' just below where it says 'Cadburies take them and cover them in chocolate'. Go down the page a little bit and at the end of the section I've quoted above there's a blue link to the pic. 15:23, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
None of the images on that page have been modified in any way for over a year - several years, in some cases. I don't think we need to be worried about this, and in any case it's easy enough to revert to previous versions. Hersfold (t/a/c) 17:40, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. It's not really something to worry about, they just look like a part of the crowd. Barely even qualifies as vandalism, but thanks for brining it to our attention. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry 20:08, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

"Multiple" coordinates?[edit]

Hi, I recently edited a mistake in Georgenberg. Can someone show me how to add coordinates of the "other" (Tyrolean) Georgenberg, if there is a reasonable way? It's in hidden text now, as both templates "at once" would interfere. Thanks.

BTW: I think it's a pity that the "Helpme"-Template is not allowed on articles' talk pages. Those might often be the place "closest to the problem". -- WeHaWoe 15:28, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi! The co-ordinates of both places are on their relevant articles - adding the Tyrolean co-ords I think would only confuse people. :-) Stwalkerster talk 15:33, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
See Template:Coord#Usage, in particular note the option:
  • display=inline - Display the coordinate inline (default)
You can display as many {{Coord}} templates as you want "inline," that is, right next to the name of whatever location you want to display coordinates for, but you can only use the "title" option on one {{Coord}} template per page (otherwise the displayed coordinates stack on top of each other in the upper right corner). As to why "they" don't want you to put {{Helpme}} on the talk page of an article, that puzzles me too. But it doesn't matter, because if you put {{Helpme}} on your user talk page, you can always put a link there to whatever article talk page you would like to direct helpers to see. Finally, if there is more than one place called Georgenberg, and each one deserves its own article, then see WP:DISAMBIG. --Teratornis 15:48, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback, friends, but I'm sorry to admit that I can't manage it.
First, @Stwalkerster: I thought it might be useful to readers to "demonstrate" the considerable geographical distance of both locations in question, while they could learn from enWP, since February 2007, that they were "nearby". Whether such explanation might be welcome or not, in WP, I can't tell.
Second, @Teratornis: TX for the info, but, however, the "explanation" is as well overwhelming as not satisfying the needs of someone who does not want to STUDY "Coord", but just wants, rather "BEGS FOR" the solution in a special case. PLEASE show me, in the article I mentionned, how to integrate that "display=inline" without creating a problem (please see my last edit there, on this, ca. 1 minute ago).
Third, on "Disambig": I am not willing to change a "status" of an existing article, if I won't work on THAT LEMMA, but I just wanted to correct nonsense which was put there by third party, half a year earlier. I did some work on the "alternative" article, however (which lead me by chance to the latter, today).
I hope I could make myself clear without seeming unpolite; thanks, WeHaWoe 16:35, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
No problem on the second item, I am looking at Georgenberg now. I'll report back on whether I can fix it. --Teratornis 23:25, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
That was easy to fix. Click that link and study my diff so you can see what I did. As to item 3, it looks like we don't need to create a disambiguation page yet. I should have looked more carefully before I mentioned that extra (and as-yet, unnecessary) complication. Hey, that's what happens with free support. My other lame excuse is we have to type quickly to avoid edit conflicts when we answer. And that's a problem which needs fixing on the Help desk, but I digress. Even though Wikipedia is as complicated as all get-out (that is a dated American idiom meaning "very complicated"), I would urge you to study the inner workings here, because Wikipedia contains remarkable technology to keep itself running, and unlike with most proprietary systems, Wikipedia allows you to study how it all works in incredible detail. You can learn valuable things by studying Wikipedia, even apart from merely editing on Wikipedia. To me, it is like finding an extraterrestrial alien artifact that uses technology far advanced from our own - how could one not want to study it? I am only using slight hyperbole here, because just ten years ago, nobody could possibly have believed Wikipedia in its present form could exist and remain coherent, let alone produce anything of quality (an encyclopedia that anyone can edit? Sistah please). --Teratornis 23:40, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the help. I personally do not feel being any more at an age where I'd like to spend my time in studying "advanced technologies" ;) I got over the "first steps", and now I want to invest my time rather in contributing at the level that I am (and, being a native German speaker, rather in deWP or Commons). I also feel there might be more people like me, who wish to contribute without getting too much involved into "technical stuff". It might therefore be an idea to make things easier for such people by giving more simple examples, rather than elaborate explanations - especially for non-native English speakers. Best, WeHaWoe 06:49, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
You are probably correct that the vast majority of the English Wikipedia's 27,481,151 registered users have only a casual interest in learning Wikipedia's technology. Many have not made any edits at all, and many more have only made a few simple edits. Each person is free to contribute at the level they prefer, but freedom has its price. Wikipedia is a volunteer project, which means it becomes whatever its volunteers want it to be. (See the Barn raising article for a cultural example of a volunteer project from history. The idea in a volunteer project is that everyone pulls their own weight. This is different than purchasing a service from a vendor, in which the customer pays money in exchange for being served by others.) On most other Web sites, the visitor is generally powerless to correct errors or improve the explanations. In contrast, on Wikipedia, when you see something confusing, you can edit it to be less confusing. If you cannot see how to explain it yourself, you can pose questions on its talk page, and someone else who knows the answer may improve the page. However, the field of Web mapping, coordinates, and so on, is particularly complex, hard enough to understand even in one's native language. So far, I have not seen good explanations for the non-specialist. If language is a problem, I would expect the German Wikipedia, being the second-largest Wikipedia, should have similar coordinate templates, and you seem to be editing over there. As far as examples go, Wikipedia itself is a rich source of examples. You can see many examples of how to use a particular template by checking its backlinks, as in: Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Coord. Finally, the elaborate explanations in our help pages are what makes Wikipedia possible at all. Wikipedia is specifically designed so anyone who can read and follow instructions can learn to do any job here, without usually requiring active instruction from other people. Wikipedia is the ultimate Do it yourself project. Again, this is different than much of the world, where newcomers may sit through training classes and listen to a human instructor, and then work under close supervision until they advance. We do have various means to supply active instruction when necessary (such as this Help desk), but only by relying mostly on reading the friendly manuals can we keep Wikipedia's labor costs low enough for the project to work. Our only motivation to contribute here is that we enjoy it - therefore, a person who does not enjoy Wikipedia should find something else to enjoy. --Teratornis 13:58, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
FIRST: Thanks for spending that much energy on my request.
Second: I believe you.
THIRD: What you explain, does not necessarily work for every person which might like (and, also, might be able) to contribute substantually.
Fourth: If I'd not enjoy, I would not be here.
Last: I'll sleep over all of that, and hopefully might have a more satisfying reply tomorrow.
Best, WeHaWoe 16:46, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

2006 Chick-fil-A Bowl section problem[edit]

At 2006 Chick-fil-A Bowl, there's a section header that isn't showing up in the article. When you go to edit the article, it appears in the code, as does the introductory paragraph and a picture that goes with it. All the subsections are nested under the previous section heading. It's very strange. JKBrooks85 16:00, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I believe I fixed it. There was a missing forward slash in a reference citation (was <ref name="ESPN Preview"> instead of <ref name="ESPN Preview" />).--Fuhghettaboutit 16:15, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


i am 14 and a half weeks pregnact and i found out that my plcenta is in the front, what worries do i have to worry about when i give birth —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:56, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

We cannot offer medical advice for legal reasons. Please see your doctor. Hersfold (t/a/c) 17:09, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Where are the October archives?[edit]

There's no place to click to find them. And this page only goes back to the 4th.Vchimpanzee 17:18, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/October 2007. Leebo T/C 17:20, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

referencing multiple articles in the same book[edit]

Thanks in advance to anyone who can answer this question. For the page Chinua Achebe which I'm working on, I'm citing a number of articles (each by a different author) published in the same book. Since I'm using APA style, I wonder how to cite them in the footnotes and bibliography. Should the book be one source in the bibliography, and then each footnote just refers to the book? (Or should the footnote give a complete citation for the article, with an indication of its inclusion in the book?) Or should each article be a separate item in the bibliography? I'd love to have a link to a page which uses a similar set of articles, if anyone knows of one. – Scartol · Talk 17:40, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Never mind. I should have looked before I asked. – Scartol · Talk 17:44, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


is toxicology level 304 ng suide or accident. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:50, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure I really understand your question, but it sounds like the kind of information Wikipedia is not allowed to provide (see our disclaimers). You should seek an answer from an expert. Leebo T/C 18:01, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

clean up[edit]


I posted an article on the site about Environmentalist Arthur R. Marshall and now I see the the article is noted as needed cleanup. Can you please tell me what kind of clean up it requires? Thanks so much.

Susanna —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:00, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

See the Wikipedia Manual of Style for information on how articles are supposed to be formatted in general. For instance, this article is one long page, without an introduction or sections to divide up the information into appropriate parts. Leebo T/C 18:04, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
You might also want to take a look at Wikipedia:Cleanup process, which contains a few specific suggestions on dealing with page issues. --Moonriddengirl 19:17, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

An anonymous user removed my links twice, can someone help?[edit]

About a day ago I added a link to a music video on Vid Digger on the Led Zepplin pages "Black Dog (song)," "Led_Zeppelin_IV" on Wikipedia, but an anonymous user removed it twice so his link is the only external link on that page. Vid Digger is just showing music videos he finds on YouTube, along with the lyrics below them, info about that artist from Wikipedia, while linking back to the artists page on Wikipedia for more info.

Now I'm not trying to get that anonymous user who's promoting his site banned from Wikipedia, just would like it if he would stop removing my links to the music video on Vid Digger. Looking forward to someones help! Bookmarking question to check back. 18:35, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what the anonymous user's intent is, because he's not using edit summaries, but it sounds like these videos violate the bands' copyright through distribution without their consent (unless the band uploaded the videos). In that case, I'd say it's reasonable to remove them. Leebo T/C 18:42, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Don't think this persons reason for removing the links have anything to do with copyrights, just profits. He/she is not breaking any laws, just hope this person makes enough money selling those tunes at the bottom of their page. 19:10, 12 October 2007 (UTC) 19:09, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:03, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm saying that the videos shouldn't be in the articles anyway, so if you have some other issue with this anonymous user, you should bring it up with them. Leebo T/C 19:22, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Alternate Spellings[edit]

How do I provide alternate spellings for an entry? For example, I have an entry 'Bab al-Hara,' but the entry appears to be case-sensitive, so if someone searches 'bab al-hara,' nothing comes up. How do I make it so different variations on spelling and formatting link to the same entry?

Create a page that has the alternate spelling, and redirect it to the article it should go to. i said 21:08, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
See Help:Redirect. Leebo T/C 21:11, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


Im trying to edit a tournament bracket, but I dont know how to change the color- the Editing looks like this NestTextColors|black|#f6b034|  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmallitton (talkcontribs) 21:09, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, you can change the hex triplet to a different color, or just the name of the color. i said 21:11, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

prod on redirect page[edit]

Can I use a {{prod}} tag on a redirect page or only on a regular article? The page that makes me ask is $Texas. It is a redirect to a SNL article but $Texas has no obvious connection to the SNL article. And I can't imagine why anyone would type "$Texas" into the search box so why have that page at all. So the general question is using the prod tag on a redirect page, and then others will decide about the specific question about deleting this redirect. Sbowers3 21:13, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I would try {{db-r3}}, but I think a {{prod}} would work better for this. Also you can use the template: {{tl}} to talk about a template (see my edit). You could also "nowiki" the redirect, but that would make people able to get there using random page, so I wouldn't reccomend it. PrimeHunter 21:26, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
See this Google search for the connection. PrimeHunter 21:26, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Asking for comments on FLC and FAC[edit]

Is it okay to go to editors talk pages and ask them to comment, support or oppose nominations for FLs and FA if they have edited the page being nominated? -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 21:27, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Under certain circumstances. WP:CANVASS gives the full guideline. It should be acceptable as long as you keep it short, neutral, and to the point, and only message a relatively small number of editors. Hersfold (t/a/c) 00:26, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Unregistered user edit approval[edit]

Has English Wikipedia implemented the rule where unregistered user's edits have to be screened first or is it still being tried out on German WP? --Seans Potato Business 21:42, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

It's still being tried on German Wikipedia. Martial BACQUET 22:40, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
...and I pray to God so that that's never implemented here. --Agüeybaná 04:25, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
I imagine many vandals utter the same prayer. --Teratornis 14:08, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Flagged revisions for more information about the various plans for extensions that could do this or something similar (I think they could also be set to show the unscreened version by default, but have a link to the screened version available). --ais523 14:19, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Hillview College[edit]

There is an article about Hillview College, which I presently attend. All seems well, but there is a section titled "Trivia" that I'm particularly concerned about. Quite frankly, I cant understand why, not only incorrect information (such as the school promotes homosexuality) is present, but also the relevance of it. I use Wikipedia regularly and was shocked to find such a section. As an ex-student of the school, I'm asking this section be at least edited if not deleted, since it is quite derogatory to both the school, the Presbyterian board and to the respect of this encyclopaedia. Yours sincerely, An Ex-Student. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:08, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

It looks as if User:Anime parasite inserted the Hillview College#Trivia section and filled it with some vandalism. Articles about schools are frequent targets for vandalism. --Teratornis 22:55, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
I've deleted the entire "Trivia" section since it seemed to be entirely nonsensical vandalism. Accounting4Taste 23:06, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
I agree with your assessment, and none of the outlandish if not libelous claims had sources anyway. --Teratornis 23:16, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Login name displayed while logged out?[edit]

Is there any way I can stop my login name from displaying on the screen when I am not logged in? I have been repeatedly told it's a problem with my browser and/or cookies, but I don't understand what that problem is. Logging in and out is fine but I seem to be timed out of my account. I know my browser is not deleting cookies while it's running. What's going on?Factchecker atyourservice 22:56, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Hello. Please check your browser's cache settings. If you are using Internet Explorer, go on tools, settings, in the header called "browsing history", click on settings then check "automatically" for "check newer versions of stored pages". If you are using Firefox, go on tools, settings, privacy and uncheck the first checkbox in history. Martial BACQUET 00:19, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
If you have just logged out from Wikipedia and your browser is still saying you're connected, try it:
  • Internet Explorer: Ctrl + F5
  • Firefox: Ctrl + Shift + R

Martial BACQUET 00:23, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks very much for your help, but my problem is a little stranger than this. Wikipedia ALWAYS displays my login name. Even if I quit Firefox, clear my cookies, shut the computer down and quit for the day, when I come back and go to a page, it will show my login name as if I were already logged in. Further, I will frequently log in, type up an edit, and by the time I click POST I am logged back out again, thus displaying my IP address, even though if I click on any page, it will display my username. The only way to discover whether I am logged in or not is to CLICK my username, which will then either show me my options or invite me to please log in. I already have that box in Firefox History unchecked, and using CTRL-SHIFT-R to refresh the page would be fine except that I never know when the logout-event is going to occur. I must be missing something. Any further help would also be appreciated.Factchecker atyourservice 17:50, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

It's not related to your cookies. Clearing your cookies and turning off the computer doesn't clear your cache. What's happening is that Firefox is displaying the page as it looked when you were last at that page, and you were logged in at the time. When you edit (or click your username), it then loads a new copy of the page, which shows that you are not logged in currently. If you use the Ctrl-Shift-R technique listed above, that will force Firefox to load a brand-new copy of the page anyway, so you can tell for sure if you're logged in or not. -- Kesh 19:54, 13 October 2007 (UTC)