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August 28[edit]

deleting accounts[edit]

does anyone know how i can delete my account? i dont like wikipedia and i dont want my account anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fenderstrat6485 (talkcontribs) 01:33, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

You can't, because then your edits wouldn't be attributed to anyone and that would cause problems when someone wants to reuse content. But you do have the right to vanish. Xenon54 / talk /
Or alternatively, just don't log into your account. As Xenon says, it can't be deleted, but you don't need to do anything with it - there are thousands of accounts which are not used any more.
However, can I point out that as you only created your account 48 minutes before you posted this, having had an article you created ('We du patrix') deleted in that time, it does not really look like you gave Wikipedia much of a chance! Assuming that you read this, may I suggest you give it a bit longer before saying that you don't like it? -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 06:23, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
There is no harm in keeping your account, no personal information is stored, and as long as you dont log in to it there should be no difference to your browsing of wikipedia. However as Phaontomsteve said, why not give it a chance?AndrewMcArdle1 (talk) 09:54, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Washington Post carries an article by the Associated Press, who is the publisher?[edit]

When I'm adding a cite to an article carried by the Washington Post (among many other news outlets), but written by the Associated Press, who is the publisher? Is it the Washington Post or the Associate Press? Or does it even matter? The reason why I ask is this edit[1]. Basically, the AP story was carried by numerous sources. The article previously linked to but that link is broken. So I changed it to the WP which also carried the story. When I got to the part about the publisher, I changed it from CBS News to Washington Post, but I'm wondering if the Associate Press should get credit. Or does it even matter? A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 01:42, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Woohoo! I've always wondered that myself. Thanks for asking it.Cptnono (talk) 01:44, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
{{cite news}} includes the option to add the agency= field for wire sources. Nanonic (talk) 02:23, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
In the example given, the author, Justin Pope, writes for AP New York, so I'd default to crediting the agency, as did the Washington Post. HighWire still has the article (for pay).LeadSongDog come howl 03:22, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
I've always just used the publication it appeared in (in this case, the Washington Post), as that is where it can be directly verified. In the very unlikely event that there was a difference in the Washington Post article, which isn't in the AP original, then the difference may be part of what the article is being cited for, and the WP look-up would find it, whereas the AP wouldn't. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 06:28, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
I always just say the name of the website or something, TBH.....>_>----occono (talk) 09:36, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
It's rather a question of WP:V vs. WP:RS, isn't it? Are we trusting the work because of the author, the agency, the newspaper, or the archiver? I submit that while many independent archives will hold the article, including your public library's microfilm collection, the fact checking rarely goes beyond what the agency provides. In the (now all too rare) cases where a good newspaper adds further content to the wire it will attribute "with files from the Associated Press" or similar. Such rare cases are almost always stories with local content. LeadSongDog come howl 19:35, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Paragraph strangeness[edit]

Could someone have a go at making the third paragraph in Nasutitermes_corniger#Associations into two separate ones where it starts talking about the bat? I've tried about 5 times and for some reason it stubbornly won't make a new paragraph even when I use <br/>! Thanks. Smartse (talk) 02:33, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Done. Maybe it's just a display problem in your browser. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 02:41, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, that looks fine for me now, dunno why it was being so strange! Smartse (talk) 02:44, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Resolved: Smartse (talk) 02:44, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


I can not beleive Wikipedia does not want acknoledge Somalian Ostrich. Yes there is Ostrich in Sudan but not in Ethiopia, are you serious. Two places get it right, Sudan and Somalia. They are called Somalian Ostrich. Thank you <email removed> —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:24, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Reliable source for this info, please? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 06:27, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
What are you talking about? The article clearly mentions there are Ostriches in Ethiopia. Quote from article: S. c. molybdophanes in southern Ethiopia, northeastern Kenya, and Somalia, is called the Somali Ostrich. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 07:16, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
This and other sources agree the Somali Ostrich is also found in Ethiopia who even put it on stamps [2] about Awash National Park and Yangudi Rassa National Park. Your IP address is American but you appear emotional about the issue. I wonder whether you have Somali origin and don't want to accept that "your" Ostrich also lives with the enemy. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:09, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes I do have Somali Origin, but I do not beleive Ethiopia is the enemy of Somalia. You don't hear any good news come from Somalia these days and I thought mentioning Somali Ostrich will make people see the good side of Somalia.

I sould have read the hole article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:03, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Creating a Template for a Basketball Team Roster[edit]

I want to create a template for basketball team rosters of Liga Pilipinas, a regional league in the Philippines, but the only templates available are for PBA rosters, and I do not have any idea or clue about creating templates. Now my questions are: What should I do now, and How do I create a template... Please I need your help... Thank you very much!! BULARAN (talk) 07:57, 28 August 2009 (UTC) by User:BULARAN

You could perhaps ask at WikiProject Templates talk or WikiProject Basketball talk where folks know about Templates and basketball respectively - and some will know about both! -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 09:15, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
See {{mem}}, which can be extended by request. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 13:28, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Is facebook public domain[edit]

Can I copy an image off a facebook fan page and use it in a Wikipedia entry? —Preceding unsigned comment added by SkaraB (talkcontribs) 08:18, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Such images are most probably copyrighted by the people who upload them (some are actually copyright violations), and unlikely to be in the public domain. So it's not a good idea to copy anything from Facebook here. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 08:23, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
As Chamal said, it's not a good idea. Even if the image is a photograph of a famous person that was uploaded onto Facebook by the photographer (which could be put on Wikipedia by the photographer), you would need to get that photographer's permission to use the image on Wikipedia, and the verification would be a bit of a pain, to be honest. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 09:09, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Ok many thanks! Jeesus it is hard to find licensed images!

SkaraB (talk) 14:56, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Try using {{Flickr free}}. What are you looking for images of? Also see Commons:COM:CB for examples of copyright problems with many types of images. --Teratornis (talk) 06:53, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Getting into an Edit War with a vandal, help![edit]

Etc (band), see the edit history.----occono (talk) 09:33, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Warn the vandal (WP:WARN), if it doesn't cease, report to WP:AIV. Kotiwalo (talk) 09:37, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
OK. People have been re-adding that vandalism a lot though, going by the history.----occono (talk) 09:39, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Remember that vandalism has to be rather blatant in order to be vandalism. Newbie test edits have their own warnings, as do additions of unsourced content etc... Vandalism warnings should be used only when it is very obvious that the user is trying not to help, but to do harm. You should consider using Twinkle if you plan to hand out warnings a lot. Kotiwalo (talk) 09:42, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
I know :) The edits to the article I'm talking about def. count as blatant vandalism though.----occono (talk) 09:47, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I checked them. Blatantly negative unsourced BLP. I think there is a specific user warning for that as well but the vandalism one is general enough to do. Kotiwalo (talk) 09:50, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Actually, the two things are different and it's better if you can give a specific warning. See WP:UTM for a complete list of warning templates. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 09:59, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Still going on. I put up a final warning, somebody please AIV if that needs to be done, as that's all too confusing for me.----occono (talk) 10:11, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
The Artieandearl account is a Single-purpose account. I've not checked the other accounts, but perhaps they are too. Could a Checkuser be asked to see if they are all the same IP? -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 10:49, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
One other is also a SPA. Didn't check the rest. Does it matter? If a CU is necessary, WP:SPI is the way to go, but I doubt it (behavioral evidence is sufficient for sockpuppets, most of the time). If this happens again, a block would probably be appropriate even w/o CU. Tim Song (talk) 11:14, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

the worst[edit]

1.which is the worst version or release of microsoft? 2.what is the protocol for receiving email? 3.INFOSYS'S BPO name? 4."wave of Synthesis" related to? 5.where was the first computer installed in India? 6.ISAM stands for? 7.what is the freely available server? 8.DSL stands for? 9.another name for malicious hacker? 10.ellipse in E-R daigram means? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:13, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Please ask factual questions at Wikipedia:Reference desk.----occono (talk) 10:15, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Your question appears to be a homework question. I apologize if this is a misevaluation, but it is our policy here to not do people's homework for them, but to merely aid them in doing it themselves. Letting someone else do your homework does not help you learn how to solve such problems. Please attempt to solve the problem yourself first. If you need help with a specific part of your homework, feel free to tell us where you are stuck and ask for help. If you need help grasping the concept of a problem, by all means let us know. Thank you. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 10:16, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Creating a new Term & Definition[edit]

Yes, I am new to Wikipedia, Facebook, and eHow. At my age I am slow to learn, but my mind is a Steel Trap. I don't know where to go to write a new Wikidictionary Term and to define it so that I may write to it.Leo Burrell 12:36, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

If you are looking to add word definition, you need to do so at our sister site, Wiktionary, which is a dictionary. This is Wikipedia, which is an encyclopedia, and is a different sort of reference work than a dictionary is. --Jayron32 12:43, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Seeing as he asked for "Wikidictionary", I think all he needed was the link to it :)----occono (talk) 12:54, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Text message[edit]

How i correect a misspell text message? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:25, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

A text message as in a cell phone text message? You can't - once it's sent, it's sent. (Future questions like this should be taken to the reference desk.) Xenon54 / talk / 13:40, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
What message? ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 13:39, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Publishing on Wikipedia[edit]

Edited a post in the sandbox yesterday and searched everywhere for a way to publish.

Instructions not clear at all. No procedure or dynamic user functions evident.

Please advise on procedure for publishing an article.

Epmayer (talk) 13:29, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I left a welcome on your talk page with useful information. I suggest you edit some articles first; when you gain familiarity, then see Wikipedia:Your first article. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 13:41, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Your article ended up in the tutorial sandbox, which is cleared every so often. Please read the Business FAQ, Wikipedia's rules regarding advertising, and notability guidelines for companies. Xenon54 / talk / 13:46, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
I started to move the work completed so far to an EPmayer sandbox, but I realized I don't know how to do that. Can someone tell me? The article is not close to acceptable shape, but it would be a shame to lose the work.--SPhilbrickT 13:49, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

<-EPMayer, many of us are aware that new contributors find Wikipedia confusing, and are interested in making it easier for new people to find what they need. You mentioned that you "searched everywhere for a way to publish". You were on this tutorial page, which has links at the top of the page to a Help Index, a FAQ and an Editors Welcome, each of which has information on how to publish. Can you tell me if you went to any of those links and didn't find the information, or did you not think to try any of those links? I'm just trying to learn from your experience how the presentation of information can be improved.--SPhilbrickT 13:59, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Go to his contribs, click on the date of the most recent edit to the tutorial sandbox, then click "edit", then cut the text out, then paste it in a personal sandbox. Xenon54 / talk / 14:06, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I copied your material into a page that should not get overwritten or deleted here

At some time, it might make sense to invite others to provide feedback by posting a page where you can ask for feedback, but I don't think it is ready yet.

Consider looking at other existing bios for examples of how an article is structured. You can read about WP:LAYOUT or you can look at an example, such as Carl Hagenbeck. I'm not listing this article as an example of the best, but as someone in a related field. --SPhilbrickT 14:35, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[edit]

Reffering to the above Wikipedia page, In particular this statement "Some of these games can be run on Linux with a compatibility layer like Wine or Cedega. Those that rely on copy protection or undocumented features require much more effort in order to work properly. Since Wine is not an emulator it can, and does, obtain native speed, sometimes surpassing that of Windows" of this section, reference number 65 refers directly to another Wikipedia article. I know this is against Wikipedia guidelines for referencing and I would like to know what steps should be taken to fix this, it seems more of an opinion that fact and I beleive the statement could even consitute vandelizem as it is directly demeaning Windows operating systems.

Reference number 65 refers to another Wiki, not a Wikipedia article. But you're right, Wiki's that are free to edit by anyone aren't generally reliable sources. It is not vandalism, since vandalism is always blatantly bad faith, but if it is unsourced, the statement should be challenged by adding a {{fact}} tag after it. If not fixed soon, challenged statements may be removed.
By the way, the page on Wine Wiki is immutable, meaning that it can't be edited. This is better, but there is a conflict of interest. We would need a reliable source. Kotiwalo (talk) 14:25, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
OK I have gone ahead and deleted the (so called) reference and replaced it with the [citation needed] tag.
(edit conflict) Reference 65 said:
Wine Wiki. "Benchmark tests for WINE". 
There are two links. The first link Wine is to the Wikipedia article about the author of the reference. References often include a link to the Wikipedia article about the author and this is encouraged. The actual reference is the second link Benchmark tests for WINE. The author Wine is a wiki but there are thousands of wikis and this one is unrelated to Wikipedia and the Wikimedia Foundation which runs Wikipedia. I have not tried to determine whether the Wine reference satisfies Wikipedia:Reliable sources and whether the article Comparison of Windows and Linux satisfies Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. If you think there are problems then you can bring it up on the talk page at Talk:Comparison of Windows and Linux. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:31, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the extra bit of information PrimeHunter.

Renaming and deleting articles[edit]

How to delete or rename articles?--Mikespedia (talk) 14:27, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Only admins can delete an article. Renaming is accomplished by moving. Most skins have a move tab, which is visible to autoconfirmed users. See WP:MOVE. --AndrewHowse (talk) 14:52, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Reporting baised Wikipedia user CaliforniaAliBaba[edit]

Administrators, please have a look at the article Dong Tsoe. This has been requested for deletion by CaliforniaAliBaba who has a history of deleting any articles that are not South Korea friendly or North Korea friendly in the content. For example, the articles Koreans in the United Kingdom, Koreans in Germany and Koreans in France, there were inputs about South Korean refugees in these countries as the general public's perception is that there are only North Korean refugees (when in fact there are refugees from South Korea as well), but any mention of existence of political refugees in the UK, Germany and France from South Korea (in spite of references) has been deleted, again, by CaliforniaAliBaba who is obviously biased towards South Korea and against North Korea. He has now called for Dong Tsoe to be deleted as well, as he apprently doesn't feel comfortable with the fact that South Korea has a history of human rights abuse and the West taking South Koreans as refugees for decades. Please Administrators look into this case. Wikipedia should be neutral to inform, not show biased views.

The user is correct in tagging the article for speedy deletion. The man isn't notable enough to be included Wikipedia. The article was earlier created and deleted under a different name. Since the new article still does not have reliable sources to prove notability, it is eligible to be speedily deleted under criterion G4. Xenon54 / talk / 15:10, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Three Revert Rule[edit]

Does the three revert rule only apply to reverting the same page three times in 24 hours? I want to know because I would like to help revert vandalism. Dogposter 14:29, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

The 3RR rule does not count if you are reverting vandelizem, you can revert blatent vandelizem as many times as needed without breaking the 3RR policy.
But yes, the 3RR is for reverts to a single page. Gonzonoir (talk) 14:33, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Gonzonoir's absolutely right about blatant vandalism, but please do note that the criteria for vandalism are very well defined. WP:3RR applies unless you really are reverting clear, unarguable vandalism; multiple reverts during a dispute over content wouldn't be exempt, for example, if the other user was editing in good faith. Thanks for wanting to help revert vandalism here - it's an important job and greatly appreciated by other users. Karenjc 17:49, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
It is also worth noting that you are not "safe" from being blocked if you technically do not violate WP:3RR. You can be blocked for edit warring even if you keep it to under three reverts, or spread your reverts over several articles, or wait 25 hours for the fourth revert, or anything like that. All that needs to be clear to an administrator is that you intend to commit the same edit over and over to force others to accept your favored version of an article. Reverting even once a day, if done repeatedly, could be taken as clear edit warring and may lead to a block. The best thing is to leave the version you DON'T like visible, and instead discuss proposed changes on the article's talk page. --Jayron32 18:54, 28 August 2009 (UTC) P.S. The above does not apply to blatant vandalism (such as adding swear words to articles or stuff like that). However, vandalism is not a synonym for "stuff I don't like"... It is very narrowly defined. --Jayron32 18:55, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Article "Cor anglais (English horn)[edit]

Should the article be renamed to one of the two names in the title?--Mikespedia (talk) 14:29, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

If you look at Talk:Cor anglais (English horn)#Cor Anglais v. English_Horn, you'll see this is more controversial than one would think. It appears the current name is a compromise in an long-running Anglo/American dustup. It probably violates some WP:MOS guideline somewhere, but since English horn and Cor Anglais both redirect to the correct article, I'd leave sleeping dogs lie myself. No real harm done, and no sense turning this into another WP:LAME#Yoghurt or Yogurt issue. --Floquenbeam (talk) 14:44, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

create united account for all Wiki Projects[edit]

I registered in hewiki under the user name Hanay. On August 20, 2009 I created united account for all Wiki Projects. I found that this user name is already opened in enwiki on 13 February 2007, but no one is using this user name. Can you help me and guide me how to transfer this user name in enwiki to me? Thanks, Hanay

Use Wikipedia:Changing username/SUL. All instructions are on that page. Dendodge T\C 15:18, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Fore ease, here's a direct link. Replace CURRENT NAME with the username you are logged in with (you will need to create an account if you don't already have one), and REQUESTED NAME with Hanay. Dendodge T\C 15:20, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

submitting an bio entry[edit]

I am and artist and I would like to have an entry on myself in Wikipedia. How do I go about doing this. 16:00, 28 August 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cellobird (talkcontribs)

Short answer, you don't. Long answer: If you meet Wikipedia's notability criteria someone will write an article about you sooner or later, but you should not as you have a conflict of interest. There are other options such as Wikipopuli and Wikibios. – ukexpat (talk) 16:04, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
You may also make a request at the requested articles page. TNXMan 16:10, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Alien Breed (band)[edit]

Hi there! There's also a band with the name Alien Breed and they played a rather famous song, called Colorblind. Is it possible to create an article about Alien Breed (band)? I tried to create this article but I stopped because my English is still too bad for that and because of the reason that I'm rather new here, I don't know how to add infoboxes and so on. BigKing197cm (talk) 17:33, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Why don't you create it first as a user subpage, such as User:BigKing197cm/Alien Breed (band) so you can work on it at your own pace without fear of it being deleted? I created the subpage for you. – ukexpat (talk) 17:47, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Copyrighted Issues[edit]

Hi, I recently have been trying to contact wikidmedia-commons regarding the copyrighted problem of the images I uploaded. In the E-mail, I already receievd a reply from wikimedia that allows me to upload those images that I requested; however, when I uploaded them, the problems still exist. When I e-mail wikimedia-commons again, no one reply me for at least three days. Can anyone help me resolving this issue? The ticket number is 2009082010000538. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaseyng53 (talkcontribs) 18:00, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I and most other editors don't have access to OTRS tickets. I have mentioned your request at commons:Commons:OTRS/Noticeboard#Reply to 2009082010000538. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:43, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi Kaseyng53, delays of three days are not unlikely. I have added a note to the ticket (email correspondence) informing the OTRS volunteer dealing with it about your request and the fact that the images have been deleted again. He will probably restore them -- or ask someone to do so -- and add a link to the ticket. In future, please add {{OTRS pending}} to the image description pages if you have already sent permission to This should avert quick deletion. Regards, —Pill (talk) 20:02, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, then how long does it take for all my images to be restored? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaseyng53 (talkcontribs) 05:33, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Some days perhaps, depending on when the volunteer who dealt with your emails has time for it. He was notified about your follow-up mails and my note. —Pill (talk) 09:54, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
As Pill said, it can take up to a few days. Bear in mind that as is everyone else on Wikipedia etc, the folks at OTRS are volunteers, with real life to deal with as well! Give a couple of days, they should be back by then! -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 11:35, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Stopping an automatic redirect[edit]

I wrote a new page called vacuum coating. Every time I try to reference it there seems to be an automatic redirect to vacuum deposition. The first sentence says it is redirecting but how do I get ti to quit redirecting? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Durhamgoat (talkcontribs) 18:35, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Looks like you already figured it out. Please let us know if you need further assistance. – ukexpat (talk) 18:47, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
(e/c) It seems to work OK for me; you have removed the redirect instruction as part of your rewrite of the page. You may need to bypass your cache in order to see the current version. However, I wonder whether you have created an article on a subject that already existed? The article on Vacuum deposition says "also known as vacuum coating", implying that this is the same process as vacuum coating. Since you appear to have expertise on the subject, perhaps you could look at both articles and see whether this is the case. If so, you could consider incorporating your new material into the existing article and restoring the redirect. If the two subjects are in fact different and both merit articles of their own, perhaps you could clarify the difference in the articles for us? Don't hesitate to ask if you need help. Karenjc 18:55, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

money question[edit]

I know this might seem unusual, but does anyone know what 50 million dollars in 1906 would be in 1991 dollars? Or even in 2009 dollars? If you can give me a cite to find this conversion or if anyone knows it please answer here. Thanks a million!-- (talk) 18:45, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps.. – ukexpat (talk) 18:49, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
I haven't examined where {{Inflation}} gets numbers from but here are the results. {{Inflation|US|50000000|1906|1990}} says 727037037. {{Inflation|US|50000000|1906|2009}} says 1193888889. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:16, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

IP editor to himself, 727037037.04 Here it says the worth of treasure in Susa captured by Alexander is worth 50 million dollars of 1889 --------------- Another version of the same book provides UK value of 11.6 or 19 million sterling pounds in 1889 or, 564120000 and 923990000.-- (talk) 10:22, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Adolfo De Bareis[edit]

Articules —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:36, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

What can we help you with? --Jayron32 19:43, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Help on displaying a template correctly[edit]

Hi. I really like this template and am trying to adapt it for use in a third-party wiki running version 1.15 (I know that's not the same as Wikipedia is using), but it refuses to display properly.

Does anyone know what might be preventing this from displaying properly?

Without uploading a picture, it basically just displays as plain text right from the beginning <template> tag up to the "Color =" and then has a box that looks like


then it goes back to some plain text until "BarData =" where you get another

 box like this 

The odd thing is I simply copy and pasted the template text, there's no special <pre> tags anywhere in there that I know are used to make the boxes.

Thanks. -- Chupon (talk) 20:03, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

The template uses the EasyTimeline extension. See Special:Version for a list of installed extensions. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 20:40, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Awesome thanks, I'll see if we can get that installed. -- Chupon (talk) 21:17, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Vintage Magazines[edit]

Is there a way to access Ladies Home Journal Magazines for the years 1928-1931?LRJShofner61 (talk) 20:15, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

A library? – ukexpat (talk) 20:56, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
This Help desk is actually for answer questions about using Wikipedia! However... Have you read the Ladies' Home Journal article? It has a link to the official website ( They don't have an online archive from what I can see, although perhaps this would be available through a subscription. Also, have you looked at Google News Search for "Ladies' Home Journal" (1928-1931) - some of those will refer to specific articles. A quick search of Google Web Search didn't reveal anywhere with archives, so as Ukexpat says, you probably need to find a library. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 22:17, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Sum of a column of numerical values?[edit]

I've been searching all morning and most of this afternoon and I'm more than curious, now- Is there an easy formula for adding all of the numerical values in a single column in a table? That is, to say, a formula that will automatically correct itself when a number is changed or a new row is added? Sort of a "Add all numbers above this spot, yet ignore text". Thanks in advance! Kallnohae (talk) 20:16, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Looking at your contributions, I assume this is connected with the Guild Wars Wiki template you are working at in your SandBoxes? Is there no one at that Wiki who knows about wikicoding? -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 22:22, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm sure there's atleast one person, but unfortunately it doesn't seem within that one person's dignity to reply or check the help section, and nobody else seems to know of any solutions, so I figured that the most widely-used Wiki would have a solution. I've also tried places such as Yahoo answers, still with no luck there, either. Kallnohae (talk) 23:51, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't know of a way to make a wikitext table behave like a spreadsheet, but you can edit your table in a spreadsheet and use a spreadsheet-to-wikitext converter. See the links under WP:EIW#Table, and mw:Extension requests/Before 2007#Spreadsheet. If you don't get an answer here you could try on Help talk:Table. Looks like someone already asked there: Help_talk:Table#Tool_to_add_a_column. --Teratornis (talk) 06:47, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Copyright info issue[edit]

I have uploaded and used images on Jeffrey Hyland page in January this year. 'just learned recently that they have some faulty copyright info. I claimed & stated that I was the copyright holder of the images where in fact they were sent to me by the lead himself to use on his wiki page. I wasn't at all aware that it's going to be a problem. It was my first time to write/post an article & upload images for article use and I still have a LOT to learn in fact. That's one rule that I simply overlooked. How do I get it fixed now please? If I can have the lead (Jeffrey Hyland) upload or release the images himself, but how do I remove my uploads or do i have to? Is there a way that I can just edit and modify the copyright info and reverse it to The work of someone else, who has given permission to use it on Wikipedia or it is a work released under a free license instead of my own work after I asked him to send a "permission email" to (permissions-en AT wikimedia DOT org)or after it's approved? This is sort of a prolonged process which I'm willing to take if there's no other simpler solution available. Your help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Jxc5 (talk) 22:56, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

You could follow the procedure at Commons:COM:OTRS. If the copyright owner will release the photo under a free content license such as CC-BY-SA then you could upload the photo to Commons. --Teratornis (talk) 06:17, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
It jeffrey is computer-literate, have him create a login and then re-load the images himself over the top of the existing images (i.e., "update" then images.) and then update the name in the copyright notice. Otherwise, use OTRS. -Arch dude (talk) 13:15, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Need the answer[edit]

Resolved: moved to Reference desk

I have moved your question to the reference desk, the place to ask for knowledge questions. You can find it here. Intelligentsium 23:12, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

File history for images[edit]

Is there an appropriate template such as {{ArticleHistory}} for files. I am attempting to preserve the history of Wikipedia:Files_for_deletion/2009_August_11#File:Pokerstars_20051215_Check.jpg at File:Pokerstars 20051215 Check.jpg. The WP:FFD was closed as no consensus, but Keegan (talk · contribs) who is an oversighter deleted the file due to the Wikimedia Foundation's privacy policy with notice to me to black out or omit private data. I would like to properly document the history of this file on its page.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 23:52, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Good question. The Category:Talk header templates doesn't seem to contain a subcategory for file-namespace talk header templates. (I looked at the categories containing {{ArticleHistory}} to see if we have any analogous categories for templates that would apply to files.) You might ask on Template talk:ArticleHistory if nobody answers you here. Or you could ask on Wikipedia talk:Files for deletion. --Teratornis (talk) 06:27, 29 August 2009 (UTC)