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October 26[edit]

Articles on fake antivirus programs[edit]

I noticed ITgeeks (talk · contribs) has been creating several articles about fake anti-virus "products". I'm not sure if any of these "products" is actually notable enough for inclusion in the encyclopedia. Any guidance would be useful. Thanks. Astronaut (talk) 00:47, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

I've tagged all of the articles created by this user for CSD deletion. The majority of them were direct copyright violations, while 2 of them were articles on non-notable software that were not supported by their references. Thanks for bringing this up. Netalarmtalk 03:56, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

How to post stuff[edit]

Hi wikipedia i would like to know how to post stuff on wikipedia that isn't already on here. I would like to know how to put something on wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:32, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

You should take a look at Help:Contents/Editing Wikipedia. It should outline everything for you, and the blue links lead to more detailed pages on each topic. If you need any more help, feel free to ask more questions here. Someguy1221 (talk) 05:40, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
But see WP:NOT first, for a long list of stuff that is not on Wikipedia. What do you want to write about? Note: you can practice editing in what we call the "sandbox". --Teratornis (talk) 06:05, 26 October 2009 (UTC)


Is there some purpose to the brackets around "Lord" (second-to-last entry) in Lord (disambiguation)? Clarityfiend (talk) 06:38, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Technically, they're braces, not brackets. And they invoke the {{Lord}} template. What use that has is still unclear to me. Dismas|(talk) 06:41, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
In some biblical writings it is standard to represent the Tetragrammaton as LORD, in small caps (so as to differentiate the generic word, lord).
This could be achieved using CSS (<span style="font-variant: small-caps...)' to produce 'Lord'. However, in non-CSS browsers, this appears as 'Lord', and the distinction is lost. The purpose of the template is to display as 'LORD' where possible, but as 'LORD' in other cases, preserving the capitalisation. AJCham 11:43, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Lame avitar/icon on page[edit]

What is the white guy avitar next to my ID number when I sign in? Can it be changed? How? I can't find it listed in the preferences. Is there code or something? It's lame. --IP69.226.103.13 (talk) 06:55, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

It's part of the monobook skin, which you can change in your preferences. If you don't like any of the prepackaged skins, you can create your own custom skin. You can ask on WP:VPT how you might go about this. Removing the avatar should be simple enough, I'd imagine. Someguy1221 (talk) 06:59, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Thanks Someguy, I looked at the other skins. I'm used to using this one, so I'd rather just dump the white guy and keep the skin, but I'll see what options there are. --IP69.226.103.13 (talk) 07:07, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

questionable edits[edit]

Dear friends,

This user is contributing a lot of questionable edits. This may be abuse, but I'm not sure.

Can someone please take a look? --Dyuku (talk) 07:09, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

I took a quick look through his edits. What seems questionable to you about them? I didn't look at every edit, but in the ones I did look at he's modifying the grammar. While in some cases his new version isn't any better than what was there before, in some cases he is making improvements. As for the suggestion you made on his talk page that he might be a bot, I'm not sure of that. True, he's editing kind of quick for a new user, but not inhumanly fast. Someguy1221 (talk) 07:21, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
He keeps replacing 'in' with 'during', and doing it hundreds of times. Seems like a bot... I was watching Adolf Erik Nordenskiöld article, and his edits there were reversed as unidiomatic/useless. That's why I'm wondering. --Dyuku (talk) 07:43, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
It's possible for it to be a logged out bot, but, I can't think of a bot that would make grammar edits...--Unionhawk Talk E-mail Review 13:49, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Computer networks[edit]

What is other kind of network than LAN,MAN and WAN —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:54, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Computer_network#Types_of_networks AJCham 11:26, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Also, keep in mind that: Symbol move vote.svg This page is for questions about editing Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. Excirial (Contact me,Contribs) 13:22, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Company page?[edit]

I need to create a page like the Gemalto's page with some informations about the company not promotional and with the company's logo please help because I'm not able to do it. The page is named Movenda. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:37, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

A Wizard is available to walk you through these steps. See the Article Wizard.
Thank you.
You will need to first register an account, which has many benefits, including the ability to create articles. Once you have registered, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.
Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.
If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. An Article Wizard is available to walk you through creating an article, but you will need to create an account to use it. if you don't wish to do so, you can submit a proposal for an article at Articles for Creation. TNXMan 11:41, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Article summarising[edit]



Can someone point me to where guideliens say that if a section in article is becoming to overwhemling it should be summairsed and then split out for a new article on that section?--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 12:13, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Are you thinking of Wikipedia:Summary style? BencherliteTalk 12:15, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
That appears to be the one thanks for the help--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 12:17, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

resumé on Wikipedia[edit]

What do we do when someone contributes nothing but their resumé, to their own page? User:A.qwaider YellowFives (talk) 12:51, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

If it makes no credible claim as to the subject's importance, it can be tagged for speedy deletion under criterion A7 by adding {{db-person}} to the page. Otherwise you can propose deletion or nominate at Articles for Deletion. You could also refer the user to the essay, WP:RESUME. AJCham 12:55, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Apologies, had misread the question, and thought you were referring to a mainspace article rather than a userpage. AJCham 13:01, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Personal information can be posted on userpages per --NotedGrant Talk 13:02, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
But in this case the user is not a contributor to Wikipedia. Special:Contributions/A.qwaider The resumé is just being hosted here. ~ YellowFives 14:37, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
The account was only opened today. Give the editor more time before you decide he is "not a contributor" - remember WP:AGF. Gandalf61 (talk) 14:50, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
The contributor has listed his email, you could perhaps drop him a line to let him know that Wikipedia is not a place to host his resume. GlassCobra 13:35, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
Oh for crying out loud. What harm does it cause? WP:NOHARM is a valid argument at MfD (which is where this would go, if anywhere), and we don't block people for not contributing.--Unionhawk Talk E-mail Review 13:43, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
Are you aware that WP:NOHARM links to a section of an essay entitled Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions? It very specifically states that NOHARM is not a valid argument. GlassCobra 13:50, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
I am aware of that, yes, but, I thought I heard somewhere that NOHARM was valid at MfD. However, I don't see anything about that at WP:MFD, so, I'm going to strike that out...--Unionhawk Talk E-mail Review 13:55, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
Some editors may employ that reasoning at MfD, to be sure; however, that does not make the logic correct, nor does its use cause it to weighed as valid by closing administrators. As for your other point, note that I was decidedly not suggesting blocking A.qwaider, but merely that someone drop him a friendly note via email to let him know that we are an encyclopedia, not a webhost. GlassCobra 14:00, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

(←)All right. Glad we're both on the same page now.--Unionhawk Talk E-mail Review 14:06, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm not even sure it is a resume. It kind of looks like he's cut and pasted his page from linked in or something, it may be just how he wants to present himself to Wikipedia. Lots of people list their accomplishments on their user page, I don't really see how this is different or what all the fuss is about. So he hasn't contributed anything yet - does that really matter? I've never heard of other user pages being considered inappropriate because the user hasn't done anything else. TastyCakes (talk) 14:10, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

category intersections[edit]

I want to find all the featured articles and good articles in a particular category. However, the cat scan tool doesn't work, because Category:Wikipedia featured articles and Category:Wikipedia good articles are applied to the talk page, not the article page like normal categories. How can I find an intersection between these too artificially disjoint categories? —Akrabbimtalk 14:12, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Category:Featured articles exists, and that goes on the article page as a hidden category. Only half-helpful, I know... BencherliteTalk 14:14, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Another way is to use the list generator/comparison tools of AutoWikiBrowser, which includes a facility to swap to and from talk pages. I've just used this trick to find FA- and GA-class articles for WP:OXFORD that hadn't previously been tagged by the project. BencherliteTalk 14:55, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
The talk page category intersect tool finds articles in one category with its talk page in another category. Iceblock (talk) 19:26, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Can this website be an External link?[edit]

Apologies if this is the wrong place to post this question, but is it acceptable to edit pages by adding the following wedding planner resource?

Please advise,

pupil123 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pupil123 (talkcontribs) 15:24, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Please read WP:EL I do not think that link is allowed per wp:elno.On which article do you plan placing that link?--NotedGrant Talk 15:30, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Looking at Pupil123's contributions, s/he was hoping to be able to add it to Wedding planner, Engagement, Wedding and Honeymoon. Like NotedGrant, I don't think that a link to that website is an appropriate external link. Wikipedia isn't here to have lists of external links to people offering services described by, or related to, the article. BencherliteTalk 15:45, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
No, it would be a straight forward advert of the type we don't do. --Cameron Scott (talk) 15:55, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
As an official site of the subject of the article, yes. Anywhere else? No.--Unionhawk Talk E-mail Review 13:44, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Confused about the release of an image[edit]

So I have tried to make heads and tails of the many many articles in WP about images and licensing. For an article about a living person, I have some images One I took myself and one taken by a (semi-)professional photographer The subject obviously prefers the second image. I have the photographer's consent to use the image for promotion and the image has a copyright watermark I have not been able to figure out what to fill in in the upload for either image and why it is not preferable to have a good likeness in a decent size rather than a small image from a mobile or such Also if I release my own image to wiki commons or such, can't the image be used in all sorts of derived things? I am sure the subject does not want to find a derived image somewhere obscure with a moustache painted on and be told that this is perfectly ok under the GNU/commons/bla license. Can the upload page not be a little more helpful? There is not even an explanation of each field in the template thanks in advance for any information or pointer to the exact procedure I can use. Mplungjan (talk) 15:44, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

For copyright reasons, we can't use that second image unless the photographer releases it for general use and re-use; and yep, you are exactly right, as long as it's properly credited, you might find a derived image somewhere obscure with a moustache painted on and be told that this is perfectly ok under the GNU/commons/bla license. That's how open source works; people can change stuff. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:16, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
One of the core policies in Wikipedia is that all content can be freely used, printed and altered, as long as any derived works also fall under the same licence. Wikipedia cannot accept images for legal reasons that are not completely free. Even publishing images with the restriction of no commercial gain is not acceptable as this would prevent Wikipedia from being published in books and CD-Roms which are sold at a low cost. As Mike already pointed out the second image can therefor not be accepted unless re-released.
Similarly this also means that when you release an image under this copyright that derived works with mustaches, beards and other nonsense can be made. However, keep in mind that even if you publish an image under copyright, people can still alter it all the same way. It is forbidden, but then again, how could you possibly track some random person doing so?
Assuming you wish to upload the first image, here is what should be done:
  1. Go to WP:Upload and select "My own work". Scroll down on the page you reach.
  2. Click the button instructing you to select a file, and select the file you wish to upload.
  3. Destination filename will automatically be filled - in case the name is not descriptive you should alter it. (MVC-Image-200883.png is not the best title, for example)
  4. Now, you have to fill in the image summary which is the hardest part. After "Description =" you should add a short description of what can be seen in the image. The other fields contain tildes (~) which will automatically sign and date the image. No change there is needed. The "Other versions =" part should only be filled in in case the image is a derived work from an already existing Wikipedia image.
  5. As for the liscence, there are several options:
CCa 3.0: CCA 3.0 dictates that an image can be freely used and shared by anyone, as long as the original author is attributed (Named)
CCA-SA 3.0: Same as CCA 3.0, but includes the requirement for derived works to be shared under the same, or a compatible licence.
CCA/CCA-SA 3.0 with GNU: Either options are the same as above, with the inclusion that images may also be used under the older GNU licence.
Once done, select upload file, and the file will be uploaded. Hope this helped, Excirial (Contact me,Contribs) 16:36, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

სურათის ათვირთვა[edit]

შეიძლება თუ არა ბმულის გამოყენებით სურათის ატვირთვა სხვა საიტიდან და როგორ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Akakigeo (talkcontribs) 18:49, 26 October 2009 (UTC) Xenon54 / talk / 20:33, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

My helpme[edit]

why is it taking so long for an answer? Usually its quicker...Accdude92 (talk to me!) (sign) 20:18, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Par WP:UP#NOT, section 12 chat that is not related to the project page should not be added to the userspace. Also see WP:NOT#CHAT. Excirial (Contact me,Contribs) 20:22, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Ok thanks for the reply, but I asked a different question here.Accdude92 (talk to me!) (sign) 20:24, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

MIME type[edit]

I cannot download some articles because Windows does not recognize the MIME type "application/x-gzip-compressed. What should I do?Camrus (talk) 20:23, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

GZip is used for file compression purposes, and employed by Wikipedia to reduce the amount data that has to be transfered to a user. What kind of browser are you using? Virtually every modern browser should be able to handle GZIP; Perhaps restarting the browser or reinstalling it would help? Excirial (Contact me,Contribs) 20:30, 26 October 2009 (UTC)



Could you please delete this page on wikipedia

Thanks very much,

Frédéric —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fredtoch (talkcontribs) 20:26, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

And why should it be removed? Excirial (Contact me,Contribs) 20:28, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I'd be happy to nominate for you, pending valid reasoning. All I know is that you want it deleted, which is not a valid reason.--Unionhawk Talk E-mail Review 13:46, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
Please see the Deletion Policy for valid reasons.--Unionhawk Talk E-mail Review 13:46, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Slide Show[edit]

Is it possible to make a slideshow of images on a wikipedia like website? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kzinser517 (talkcontribs) 20:42, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

I believe the GIF file format supports slideshows. You would have to create the file using a external program which can probably be easily found for download. You should watch the file size and make sure any images in a slideshow are relevant to that article as would be required if they were single images. You might try starting with a gallery first so get some consensus that the images are appropriate.--RDBury (talk) 03:44, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Updates for your considerations[edit]

      • Full disclosure: I work for Four Seasons Corporate and would like to suggest amendments to the Four Seasons Hotels and Resorts posting to improve accuracy and make it more up to date. I'm providing some external sources when available:

Intro: suggestion to quote more recent rankings: Conde Nast Traveler's Reader's Choice 2009 1 in Top 100 Hotels JD Power 2009 The following hotel brands rank highest in guest satisfaction within their respective segments: Luxury: Four Seasons Hotels and Resorts

Under History: Not all Four Seasons Hotels have a Spa, although all can offer Spa services through local partners. Proposed copy: "With the opening of its first full-service spa at Four Seasons Resort and Club Dallas at Las Colinas in 1986, the brand has made spa an integral part of its offering. Currently operating 65 Spas in 25 countries, Four Seasons employs more than 1,300 therapists and staff, who are charged with integrating Four Seasons signature service into an environment of well-being and relaxation."

Only one owner has entered arbitration, not several as stated in the contribution. Proposed copy: "One owner of a hotel in the Four Seasons chain entered arbitration with the company; in March 2009, the owner of the Four Seasons Resort Aviara attempted to revolt: The owner entered the hotel management offices, seized documents and changed locks before attempting to void the contract with Four Seasons. In response, the Four Seasons management opted to hold its ground and prevent the owner's designated replacement management team from entering the property. An arbitration is ongoing.[3]"

Under Philanthropy: The CSR commitments are stated on the main website at as well as referenced in many media stories: Financial Post – Most Admired Corporates: #2 Four Seasons “A company taskforce targets three areas if CSR: community support, environmental sustainability and cancer research.”Corporate social responsibility is a big focus for us. We're a very philanthropic organization both monetarily and in our time and effort," Ms. Taylor says. The company is the main sponsor of the Terry Fox run, and raised $7-million in 2007. Four Seasons also has an active green council that works to eliminate water bottles, pumps up the company's recycling program, tackles electrical and heating inefficiencies, as well as other environmental issues.” (Wednesday, December 03, 2008)

Smalltweaks (talk) 20:47, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

This is not the place to offer these changes. Such suggestions should be made on the talk page of the article in question, with full disclosure of your conflict of interest. --Orange Mike | Talk 22:02, 26 October 2009 (UTC)