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September 6[edit]

Family culture in the Netherlands/Holland[edit]

What I am looking for is why parents in Netherlands leave their baby bundled up in the cold and the parent go in to dine and drink? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:10, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Try asking at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities. --Teratornis (talk) 01:00, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


Where do I see all pictures I have uploaded?Raaggio 01:34, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

here is everything in the upload log for you.--Unionhawk Talk E-mail 02:11, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Your contributions page has a link at the bottom right saying "Files uploaded". PrimeHunter (talk) 02:15, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Capitalizing an article name[edit]

I would like to capitalize "lucano" to "Lucano" in the article name, Calore lucano, so it conforms to capitalization conventions. How do I do this?-Schnurrbart (talk) 03:25, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Click the tab 'Move' at the top of the page, and enter the correct name. For more information, please see WP:MOVE. LittleMountain5 03:54, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
I tried that but Wikipedia wouldn't let me, presumably because the spelling of the two names is the same.-Schnurrbart (talk) 04:16, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
The target page for a move already exists as a redirect, so I went ahead and added {{db-move}} to the Calore Lucano. An administrator should take care of it shortly.--Unionhawk Talk E-mail 04:21, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done by Jclemens. LittleMountain5 16:06, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the help.-Schnurrbart (talk) 00:14, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Two articles with same name and no disambiguation?? Multiple issues here[edit]

Alright, I'll just throw out there the article that brought up this question. Mark Ingram, when typed in the search bar, links to the ex-NFL wide receiver Mark Ingram, father of the Mark Ingram currently the 1st string halfback for the University of Alabama. There is no disambiguation page to choose which Mark Ingram to select, and furthermore, in the article about the father, the son player is mentioned as Marc Ingram, Jr., and also blue-linked to. When you click this link, however, it redirects back to the father's page, who is certainly not named Mark Ingram Jr. I believe there should be a link at the top of the Ingram Sr.'s article saying "This article is about the ex-NFL wide receiver Mark Ingram; for his son, the halfback at the University of Alabama, see Mark Ingram, Jr.", but I don't understand how to do this exactly. Furthermore, there is likely a page created for the son (he is the base of the offense on a team that is in the top 5) and the blue-link is just incorrectly redirecting back to the father, but I don't know how to find this page either. Thanks for all help!!! ---Debollweevil (talk) 13:21, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

As you point out, the article links from the father to the son, but the son's link Mark Ingram Jr. redirects to the father's article Mark Ingram. As the son currently has no article, this should be a redlink. However, I can't see that the redirect qualifies for a speedy deletion, so this needs to be brought up at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 13:32, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Oops, forgot to make it clear - I'll do this now! -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 13:33, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
It has been listed at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2009 September 6 if anyone wants to contribute to the discussion. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 13:39, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
I've moved my discussion on the topic to there. ---Debollweevil (talk) 14:09, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Proposed article w/ COI implications[edit]

I've created a proposed article in my user subspace about a prominent event planner/designer in Chicago named Marina Birch. Disclosure: I have a potential conflict of interest with the subject, as we do have a professional and personal relationship. So before I move it into the mainspace, I wanted to run this past the Help Desk and see if anyone had suggestions about the tone, structure or anything I might have missed. Thanks, WWB (talk) 14:50, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

First - thank you for posting this in your sandbox before posting to the mainspace... Now for a couple of comments: (1) it sounds too much like a canned bio, probably because of the overuse of the sirname, Birch; (2) re-review WP:SPAM as there are some things which make it sound like advertisement, such as her rates; (3) while the article is well references, I'm still not convinced that she is notable; (4) there is no need to have wikilinks for well known terms such as wedding, but it would be great to see more content which references other wiki articles. I'd still wait to move it as it will still be speedily deleted as non-notable. Review the things above and lets see what other people notice as well. Good luck. Tiggerjay (talk) 16:18, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for the feedback, Tiggerjay. To address your concerns: (1) It's definitely not canned; it's all original text and written from from sources, mostly news covage. But I have now tweaked it a bit and there were indeed a few sentences that began "Birch ... Birch ... Birch" but now they do not. (2) I'm pretty familiar w/ WP:SPAM, and did review. I don't believe this article goes against any of those provisions, however I agree with you that the rates, while cited, are not necessarily appropriate. I have removed that sentence and one stating how many projects she works per year. (3) I do believe she is strictly notable per the general guideline: the sources are principally from articles where she is the primary subject, and reflect a mix of Chicago business news and industry publications. (4) Good call -- pulled those wikilinks. I think these are solid improvements. Let me know what you think, and also would appreciate other thoughts, as well. Cheers, WWB (talk) 16:49, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
You might also want to try Wikipedia:Peer review. — Sebastian 06:51, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestion. However, I notice Peer review states it is generally "intended for high-quality articles that have already undergone extensive work, often as a way of preparing a featured article candidate." I'd rather not waste their time, and with Tiggerjay's suggestions taken into consideration, I believe this article is in good shape. Certainly I think it is highly unlikely as a candidate for speedy deletion. However, if anyone feels strongly that this is not the case, I would certainly appreciate a policy-based explanation. I've got no problem waiting another day or so, but if there are no significant objections, I suppose I will eventually move it myself. WWB (talk) 19:48, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
I have also trimmed a few sentences that could potentially be called less encyclopedic than puffy. Further thoughts welcome. WWB (talk) 20:10, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

List of Fraternity and Sorority in the Philippine[edit]

How to include the name of our Fraternity in the List of Fraternity and Sorority in the Philippine? Fraternity name = Upsilon Sigma Alpha Fraternity Registered in SEC under the name Supreme Order of Upsilon Sigma Alpha Fraternity —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:57, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

The best way would be for it to have its own wikipedia entry. Before you create an article, please see WP:YFA but since you're speaking of "our fraternity", you have a conflict of interest so it would be better to request a page creation instead. Tiggerjay (talk) 16:10, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

How to pass HTML as a parameter to a template?[edit]


Consider Template:Foo which just prints its argument:


When I call:

{{Foo|2<span style="color:green">♣</span>}}

I get:


When I call:


I get 2♣ as expected.

How can I get Foo to accept a formatted parameter? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

I am somewhat confused. What are you looking for? The green? Use this then:
<span style="color:green">{{{1}}}</span>
Is that what you are looking for? –túrianpatois 18:01, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
I realize that this isolated example seems silly, the template I am working on is more complicated. I would like the Foo template to print whatever parameter is passed, and the parameter will be of form 2, 3, 5. So the digit always black, and the suit denomination is colored appropriately. Alternatively, is it possible to make a CSS rule that colors each occurrence of ♣, ♥, ♦? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:13, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, you can do this:
{{{1}}}{{#switch:{{{2}}}|♦=<span style="color:orange">♦</span>|♥=<span style="color:red">♥</span>|♣=<span style="color:green">♣</span>|♠=♠}} 
I am fairly certain it will work, but I didn't test it. Good luck. –túrianpatois 18:21, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
And two notes. Using the HTML code will be safer. Also, you will have to use two different parameters, so this:
túrianpatois 18:29, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your help. I would like to avoid the extra arg... My real template invocation is now:
{{BridgeExampleTblRow|2|1SA|P|2&clubs|P|8+ à 9H, peut ne pas avoir de majeure 4ième}}

With four more args it would look even more convoluted. Do you know why html code won't parse in a template argument?

Can you post the entire template? Because I don't know what is happening, and I won't be able to know without looking at it. –túrianpatois 18:40, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Here it is; Thanks again.
| align="center" | {{{2}}}
| align="center" | {{{3}}}
| align="center" | {{{4}}} 
| align="center" | {{{5}}}
| align="left" #if: {{{1|}}} rowspan={{{1}}} | {{{6}}}


#if: {{{1|}}} rowspan={{{1}}}

be wrapped in tags like


That might be a small issue. But I think you might just need to add another parameter. It is a tad complex right now, so I don't se a huge problem in extending it. –túrianpatois 18:50, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

The code
{{Foo|2<span style="color:green">♣</span>}}
transcludes the template 'Foo' with parameter '2<span style' set to '"color:green">♣</span>'. To transclude 'Foo' with parameter '1' set to '2<span style="color:green">♣</span>', you need to use
{{Foo|1=2<span style="color:green">♣</span>}}
Algebraist 10:45, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Thank you, that does the trick. The problem was with the equals sign in the value which confused the parser, I see it now.

Template:Plot/sandbox on French Wikipedia[edit]

I would like to know what the French Wikipedia equivalent of Template:Plot/sandbox is, as the synopsis in Army of Shadows 'may be too long' and it seems to be a translation of the one on the French Wikipedia... Merci beaucoup! Leonini (talk) 19:30, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't see that template exist in any other languages, but it could be there. I can't speak any French, so I cannot make sure. If you can speak French, I say that your best bet is looking/asking there. hmwitht 05:10, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
My french is a bit rusty, but it appears that the proper place to ask general questions about the French Wikipedia is here. If you have concerns, people who patrol that page may be able to direct you to the correct cleanup templates at fr.wikipedia. --Jayron32 05:15, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

When is it copyvio?[edit]

It's pretty obvious that an editor rephrased the TCM plot summary a bit for 21 Days, but is that enough? Clarityfiend (talk) 21:53, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

I would remove it, just to be safe. Xenon54 / talk / 22:28, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
No— see Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 22:31, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Okay, it's gone. Thanks. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:30, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Can I create a redirect to one of my workpages?[edit]

I have (pretty terrible, but I plan to fix them up later) workpages for User:occono/Hijinks Ensue and User:Occono/Lee Stranahan. Can I make pages in the article namespace that redirect to them, i.e. Hijinks Ensue redirecting to my workpage for it? I'm guessing no but it couldn't hurt to check.----occono (talk) 22:18, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

You are right. It's under CSD R2, which is "Redirects from the article namespace to any other namespace except the Category:, Template:, Wikipedia:, Help: and Portal: namespaces" Xenon54 / talk / 22:26, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

How does one initiate an AfD for an image?[edit]

This image (File:Owteen.jpg) was recently added as an example of "A teenager with Bardet-Biedl syndrome" in the article on the genetic syndrome Bardet-Biedl syndrome. I suspect the image may be vandalism or unauthorized use because 1) there is no verifiable citation that would indicate the person in this image really has BBS, and 2) there is zero descriptive info about the image. I am unfamiliar with how to tag a suspected bogus image for getting it reviewed and removed. Any help? N2e (talk) 22:48, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Files for deletion -Optigan13 (talk) 22:55, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. Will do. N2e (talk) 22:59, 6 September 2009 (UTC)