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July 4[edit]

How do I go about proposing a new notability standard for schools?[edit]

I've been noticing that a lot of articles of schools, especially elementary schools, appear on Wikipedia on a regular basis. However, many of them are small, local schools with no real significance to the whole of an encyclopedia (per WP:INDISCRIMINATE). But there's no set notability standard for schools, institutions and otherwise places of learning. This often leaves many school articles in a sort of notability limbo in terms of whether or not they qualify for inclusion in Wikipedia. Given the existing more specific standards for other more specific categories, how would I go about getting together a think tank of editors and admins to put a proposal together for this?- elektrikSHOOS 00:21, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

WP:SCHOOLS might give you some ideas on where to look for editors that are interested in this. Dismas|(talk) 00:25, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
It has been tried before (Wikipedia:Notability (schools)) without a consensus developing for the guideline's acceptance. Articles on run-of-the-mill elementary schools brought to AfD usually get merged or redirected to the articles on the relevant districts or localities per WP:Common outcomes#Education. I agree, however, that there are many, many such articles that remain on WP, perhaps because no one wants to go to the trouble of dealing with them. Deor (talk) 00:35, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
Last time that I tried dealing with schoolcruft, I got an award for it. And I agree with Deor and the link he provided. In my efforts, most of the school articles got turned into redirects to the article for that particular school district. Dismas|(talk) 00:43, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
Alright, thanks everyone. I'll wait a bit, but the current definition (schools falling under WP:ORG) doesn't quite fit. I'll start working on cutting down schoolcruft tomorrow, and perhaps after I've gathered my thoughts a bit I'll write up a userspace draft for school notability and submit it for comment. -- elektrikSHOOS 01:15, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
Actually, Schools, however, do not fall can not be speedy deleted under WP:ORG. A7 specifically states that it applies for "An article about a real person, individual animal(s), an organization (e.g. band, club, company, etc., except schools), or web content that does not indicate why its subject is important or significant." Schools are specifically excluded, so they must be deleted by AFD. MC10 (TCGBL) 15:45, 4 July 2010 (UTC) (Edited post 15:49, 4 July 2010 (UTC))
Or redirected as an editorial action, presumably rationalized as something like "WP:N/WP:NOTDIR", subject to WP:BRD. DMacks (talk) 19:39, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
That's even worse. Why hasn't a standard for this been ratified yet? elektrikSHOOS 07:27, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
Also, the fact that schools are specifically excluded from db-a7 is puzzling. Does anyone know the rationale for this? elektrikSHOOS 07:29, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

How to upload a picture for my profile & presentation Bio page???[edit]

Thank you to let me know how to process to upload a presntaion picture on my bio text..

or on my profile...

Thank you very much —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ricardoralphlopez (talkcontribs) 03:39, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Your bio has been deleted. Wikipedia is neither an advertising service, a free webhost, nor a business directory. Articles are only published on notable individuals, and they must be written in the neutral point of view. If you would like to advertise your services, please use another website. Someguy1221 (talk) 05:14, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Case Conversion?[edit]

Is there a tool to convert UPPER CASE to Upper and Lower Case please? I'm looking at Kim Criswell#Recordings which needs attention in this respect. Thanks.--Shantavira|feed me 10:38, 4 July 2010 (UTC) you might also be interested in ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 10:54, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
Hopefully I've got the format right. I copied the text into MS Word to change the case and an external text editor to format the list as a table - though to be honest I have my doubts about the table format... maybe a simple list would be better. Astronaut (talk) 14:56, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
Refer to Wikipedia:WikiProject Musicians/Article guidelines. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 18:22, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

#1 albums categories[edit]

On musical releases pages, why do we have categories for #1 singles (eg, in "Girlfriend," Billboard Hot 100 number-one singles/Number-one singles in New Zealand) but no categories for #1 albums? (eg, in The Best Damn Thing, no categories for the Billboard 200/Canada/UK/Japan, etc). Can someone point me to the discussion on why such categories don't exist? --Prosperosity (talk) 10:42, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

There are categories for the number one album in various countries: Category:Lists of number one albums, if that helps? You could also try asking at WT:Manual of Style (record charts) - it may be something they can shed light on. TFOWR 10:52, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

page about NEARU martial art is missing[edit]

I had created a page about NEARU which is an independent, registered, martial art style (registered in United kingdom, Iran). the existence of such entity is a certain fact (because I myself am a black belt practitioner), there are many sport clubs teaching the art and many practitioners learning (in Iran and Dubai for sure, other places maybe). NEARU has a registered federation and is well organized.

the WIKI page had been edited slightly by other practitioners and there were nothing offensive, or controversial. but now I can not find NEARU page in wiki. I searched for the title, phrases, etc. no sign. where has the page gone? and may I know why there has been a change?


Farzad Ghanei (talk) 10:48, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

The article Nearu was deleted because it was deemed non-notable. You can find the discussion about it here. Dismas|(talk) 11:02, 4 July 2010 (UTC)


Help! This on my own wiki. I am trying to create a template for football box, but it just creates a template loop! HELP! Velociraptor888 11:46, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

This page is for Wikipedia help only; please visit WP:RDC for questions about MediaWiki in general. Kayau Voting IS evil 11:55, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk Page[edit]

Can someone make my current talk page an archive page and make me a new talk page.Also a box which says the archive pages on. I have read the page about creating new talk pages but am still stuck. Cheers,Gobbleswoggler (talk) 12:56, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Done. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:30, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

This article has multiple issues[edit]

The same issues appear despite changes that have addressed the issues and corrected them. When and how are the corrected issues deleted? Wikipedia2245 (talk) 16:05, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

As you can see, this help page does not contain any information about what article you were editing before you placed your help request. It will be necessary for you to give the name of the article before we can help. Jc3s5h (talk) 16:08, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
To be brief, what article are you talking about? Dismas|(talk) 16:12, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
I suspect you mean Project Grab Bag? If you feel the issues have been addressed satisfactorily, you could remove the tag yourself - simply remove everything from "{{Multiple issues" to "}}". However, I'm not so sure that should happen yet. The article could certainly do with more references, and a little wikification. TFOWR 16:20, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
Yeah I was just looking at the article. I removed "essay" from the article issue tag, but everything else seems applicable and I added one to the issues. This still needs wikification, in many ways, it needs inline citations, and refimprove still seems quite applicable.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:24, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Portal Box Location[edit]

The Harry Pregerson article had a See also section with two portals in one box. However, there was no text on the left in the section, so the box on the right looked ugly. I changed the section to use inline links to the portals, which appear on the left and aren't as jarring. However, they also aren't as pretty as the box. Is there any way to get the box to appear on the left?--Bbb23 (talk) 17:52, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

It used the {{portal}} template— looking at the documentation you will find there is an option to float the box left. I don't see the advantage in moving it. If you want the next section to break after the portal, add {{clear}}. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 18:19, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks very much. I floated it to left and added {{clear]] for spacing. I think it looks better on left when there is nothing else in the section.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:28, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

placing article[edit]

I have typed an article into my user page, saved it, but cannot figure out how to move it into the Wikipedia. I also want to add pictures to it.

Awwsurf (talk) 19:16, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

See WP:YFA, WP:MOVE, WP:LAYOUT, WP:V, WP:CITE, WP:FOOT, WP:CITET, WP:BIO, WP:BLP, WP:AUTOBIO, WP:PEACOCK, and {{Infobox athlete}}. If you move the draft article in its present form to the main article space, it might get deleted by our shoot-first, ask-questions-later deletionists. Few people can come to Wikipedia and write articles that stick, until they have gained substantial experience with editing existing articles, and they have read and understood dozens of our friendly manuals. Wikipedia is very different from the average newcomer's perception of it, and this translates into thousands of new articles by new users getting deleted. In the meantime, you can write a biography for anyone on WikiBios. --Teratornis (talk) 19:40, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
You might want to read WP:BLP first. Also Wikipedia:Your first article - it really isn't ready to go into article space, and the 2nd link will tell you what to do when you think it is ready. Dougweller (talk) 19:41, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Uploading pictures might be easier, if you are the photographer. In that case you would own the copyrights to them, and you could choose to license them as free content and upload them to Wikimedia Commons. If you have pictures created by someone else, that opens a complex can of worms as you have to prove that the creators have released them as free content (for example, by getting their permission in writing and submitting it to OTRS). See commons:Commons:First steps and Wikipedia:Picture tutorial to get started. --Teratornis (talk) 19:47, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Double redirect[edit]

Is this suppose to be taken literally? Also how often does that get updated because I found one that was a double redirect for nearly 3 years. wiooiw (talk) 22:07, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure what you're asking. If you find double redirects, they should be fixed as you find them, except for the example, which is there on purpose. TNXMan 12:26, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
I was pretty much asking about the example. Thanks. wiooiw (talk) 12:45, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Roll back[edit]

How can I tell if I have lost my rollback approval? I just had to "undo" an edit because my rollback didn't come up.-- Myosotis Scorpioides 22:48, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

As far as I can tell you have never had rollback approval. Your rights logs entry is here. Is it possible you are talking about Twinkle's faux rollback feature?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:02, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
Ha! that might explain it. I was using a different computer, which hadn't got Twinkle downloaded. Thanks!-- Myosotis Scorpioides 08:35, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
Twinkle doesn't work with Internet Explorer — that might explain it. Twinkle installation is linked to the user account rather than the computer you are accessing Wikipedia from. PleaseStand (talk) 00:24, 6 July 2010 (UTC)