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September 12[edit]

New section tab missing[edit]

Talk:Boris Berezovsky (businessman) (edit | article | history | links | watch | logs)

The New section tab is missing from this page (for me, at least). If I go to edit history, the tab pops up, but I can't get it to appear on the Talk page itself.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:34, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

The problem should be fixed now. The page had an archive template on it that I removed, since it shouldn't have been there in the first place. It must have been interfering with the "new section" tab. --Slon02 (talk) 01:10, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
Right. {{Talk archive navigation}} contains the magic word __NONEWSECTIONLINK__. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:21, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
It's a rare day that I come to this forum and don't get an answer to my question. Absolutely wonderful. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:03, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

BOOK Creation & Usage[edit]

Started a book, added several pages, edited it on the book edit page (changed order, etc.), but book was only preserved over log out / log in for the first page / chapter created; lost all updates.

Book block also did not display at top of pages when logging back in after having logged out with active books for my account. Had to start book creator all over again, and it then started a whole new book, instead of adding the page I was on to my current book.

Book feature seems very hard to use. When a user logs in, they should be able to go to their account page (by clicking on their user name at top of pages) and thereon have links to their book(s).

In this whole process, I did finally get a popup dialog box asking me if I wanted to delete current books and start all over, or continue with current book -- I selected continue with current book, but it started a new one anyhow.

Finally got to my first book, but as said in first parragraph, most of the updates via the edit page were gone.

K0dpw (talk) 03:38, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Only autoconfirmed users can save books. Your account became autoconfirmed around 11 hours ago and I see you have saved User:K0dpw/Books/SCIENCE since then. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:47, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Update company title[edit]


The article you have for Sanitarium Health Food Company ( should now be called Sanitarium Health & Wellbeing Company

The company rebranded about a year ago. Check mailing address and new logo for verification — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mromicron (talkcontribs) 06:10, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Moved to Sanitarium Health and Wellbeing Company. Dismas|(talk) 06:59, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Is FRUCKING an offensive word in the English language[edit]

Hi Just trying to find out if FRUCKING is an offensive word. i have googled, checked with Oxford English dictionary and Wikipedia but it comes up as an unknown word. i know it has a SIMILAR word which is offensive but is this FRUCKING offensive officially. Please respond as soon as possible please thanks everyone — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:37, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

It depends on the person. Anyone can be offended by anything. I just noticed we have an article on 'Feck'. BTW, you should ask your question here: Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Language.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 06:46, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
It isn't a real word at all - it is just a deliberate euphemistic misspelling of "fucking", which is generally considered to be offensive. See Fuck. Roger (talk) 07:00, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
BTW This topic should be on the Language Reference Desk. Roger (talk) 07:02, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

limitation of sales management[edit]

list the limitation of sales management: — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:09, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

This is the help desk for questions about using Wikipedia, so your question is not appropriate here. It might be appropriate at the Reference Desk, except that it appears to be a homework question, and we do not answer those. Reading Sales management may help you get started. --ColinFine (talk) 07:18, 12 September 2011 (UTC)


  1. How can I stop This page from being deleted?
  2. Did the change the way helpme works? before, you used to put {{helpme|question here}}\? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:21, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
For 1, The page is going to stay, since its only keep votes.
For 2, no we have not. Here is just another place for wikipedia related questions.
~~Ebe123~~ (+) talk
09:41, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

I have uploaded an image, but it won't appear on the article![edit]

recently I have tried to edit a page, and I wanted to add an image. There are no copy-write infringements, and I successfully uploaded the image onto wikipedia. However, when trying to incorporate it into the article I am editing, It just won't appear?!? I have no idea why, I typed everything it says I am supposed to! what should I do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cronnyberg (talkcontribs) 11:28, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

You need to remind yourself of the formal of the code for a gallery, see WP:GALLERY. Also the gallery shouldn't be at the head of the article. You probably also should read WP:IG. - David Biddulph (talk) 11:40, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Acoustics and human rights[edit]

Modulated acoustic carriers hide the transducer location but the modulation can still be heard. Unreported usage of this technology in various countries (including New Zealand) for many years in gross violation of human rights. Detectors unavailable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:45, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Hello, I am sorry if this is a misunderstanding, but this is the Help desk for the English Wikipedia and its purpose is to deal with questions regarding how to use or edit Wikipedia. We do have a reference desk, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. You can simply CLICK HERE, choose the right place for your question and ask away. Best. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 12:15, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Help with images[edit]

Dear Wiki Administrators,

On behalf of the ICMPD, I added the following 2 images to the ICMPD Wikipedia article:

• ICMPD Organisational structure.jpg • File:ICMPD_member_states_2011.jpg

Both of these were deleted with the reason given that they violated copyright laws. However, these 2 images are owned by the ICMPD and thus, there is no copyright violoation. ICMPD would appreciate it if these were not deleted again from the ICMPD article. All other international organizations like the UN, IAEA, etc. have such images in their Wikipedia articles as well.

Best regards,

Amy Nichols Communications Consultant ICMPD — Preceding unsigned comment added by Comm Department (talkcontribs) 12:43, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

There are links provided on the article page to tell you how to address copyright problems, and also see WP:CP. You also need to read WP:COI, if you are editing a page connected with an organisation for which you work, and WP:CORPNAME as you have a user name representing a department, rather than an individual. - David Biddulph (talk) 12:50, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
The intellectual property in question belongs to the organization that published it. It has not released any of its property, and you, as a communications consultant, have no apparent authority to make decisions about ICMPD's property. At any rate, you claimed authorship, which is likely false; even if you had authored the images yourself, it doesn't seem you have any rights in them. Plus, your organization is not notable, and that some other actually notable groups have logos is irrelevant. If it's notable enough to be included, someone without a giant conflict will do the publishing. JFHJr () 13:47, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Arumuga Navalar wiki violates academic honesty and suppresses facts[edit]


you are displaying hindu nationalist propaganda in Sri Lanka which is oppressive to the Christians who are already marginalized in Sri Lanka by the Hindus and Budhists. Everytime ascholarcorrects your biased, fiction article on Arumuga Navalar it is immediately deleted.As aresult my students and even Internationalscholars repeat the propaganda without studying the actual sources from the 19th centurey which are also available atJaffna College,CentralCollegeandChurchArchivesinEnglandandtheUS> Please help.This is tarnishing wiki'scredibility amongSriLankanChristians.

Urgrnt action needed please

Sincerely Dr.Dushyanthi Hoole

You say encyclopedia contents must be verifiable without apparently meaning it or double checking sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:16, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

I see you are referring to this article. Please note that any material added to the article must be reliably sourced- Wikipedia does not accept original research. TNXMan 14:23, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
You can discuss this with other contributors on the article's talk page. They are probably more knowledgeable on the subject than I am, and I get the impression they are familiar with the relevant Wikipedia guidelines and policies which help build this encyclopedia. Astronaut (talk) 16:05, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Creating a consonant sound file[edit]

I recorded the pronunciation of a certain consonant (Voiceless labiodental plosive) and uploaded the file to Commons

I know that the consonant's page should somehow automatically detect the sound file and add it to the infobox, but it doesn't, so obviously I did something wrong. TFighterPilot (talk) 15:28, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

No, it was just that the software wasn't clever enough to realise that the article needed to be re-cached. I have purged the page and the sound file is now showing for me. You may also need to bypass your browser cache to see the change. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:34, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
Ho, thanks. It does show now. :D TFighterPilot (talk) 15:50, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
However, it still doesn't show in consonant TFighterPilot (talk) 15:53, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
I've purged that page too. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:00, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

List of buses[edit]

Anyone want to edit List of buses?-- (talk) 15:59, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

The inuse has been rm, so you may edit. Why has it still got an Afd? Help! I'm worried it will go! -- (talk) 15:59, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

AFDs run for 7 days. This one has been listed for 4 days. You don't need to worry about it. At this point it would take quite a few editors coming in with solid policy reasons to have the decision end up as delete. I do not think that is going to happen. GB fan 16:07, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
If you keep repeatedly asking the same question and ignoring the answers, your edits may be regarded as disruptive and you are liable to be blocked from editing. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:08, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
If you are talking about the question, "Anyone want to edit List of buses?" in your edit summary about no one answering your first question, my answer is No I do not want to edit it. GB fan 16:33, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Vanessa_Grant article link error[edit]


I am the Vanessa Grant written about on the Vanessa_Grant topic. I have altered the website address in the article's content (below the biography section). However, I can't find a way to change the website given in the summary box that appears on the upper right of the page. The website showing there ( is not correct. This should be changed to You can verify that this is the correct web address by going to the address and seeing that the books listed there are the same ones listed under the wiki article.

Thank you for your assistance in correcting this error

Vanessa Grant — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vanessagrant (talkcontribs) 16:04, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Fixed. I'll also leave you a note on your talk page explaining some of our rules and guidelines. TNXMan 16:06, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Multiple Issues[edit]

The Wikipedia page about the "Las Vegas Redevelopment Agency" was flagged at the top of the page with a box reading: "This article has multiple issues. Please help improve it or discuss these issues on the talk page." I believe most of the problems have been handled now. How do you go about having that "warning" box removed from the page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Junevivalasvegas (talkcontribs) 16:15, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Please remove this at the top of the article:{{Multiple issues|wikify =October 2010|orphan =October 2010}} Hope it helps.-- (talk) 16:40, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

I went ahead an removed the references needed and I added so wikilinks to help with wikify, so hopefully someone else will remove that issue. I think that the orphan status still applies. I only see one normal page that links there...Naraht (talk) 16:45, 12 September 2011 (UTC)


How do I get my Wikipedia aticle published to the Internet?? To be viewed on the Internet??? I can not find any help or direction to do this. How do I format the page to look like the other articles on the WEB??? Or do you do this through your reveiw process?? I wish to type in the name of my article on the search engine and want to see it come up under the Wikipedia info. How is this ALL done. Very, Very frustrated!!!!! Old Nevada — Preceding unsigned comment added by Old nevada (talkcontribs) 16:27, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Answer: If you wait a few days, it will be on search engines.-- (talk) 16:43, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

You have not moved the article you created in your userspace to the main article space. Only articles in the main space will be picked up by search engines. The page you have created still needs work. You should read our information on notability (which is required for articles) and reliable sourcing. TNXMan 16:48, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
(edit conflict)The correct answer is that you haven't yet produced an article. All you had done is add content to your user page. I have moved that to a subpage in your user space. You will need to read WP:SYMUD, but also WP:1st, and various links from those. The article needs a lot of improvement before moving to mainspace. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:56, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

View History[edit]

It's not working. Anyone know why?-- (talk) 16:37, 12 September 2011 (UTC) Edit: It's fine now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:39, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

I guess there were some issues with the servers but as you say, it seems to be fixed now. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 16:53, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Digi Rhymes[edit]

Dear sir / Madam I posted an articles on it is a genre called Digi Rhymes. I created this genre and I want people to know about it. why it has been deleted while it is an important genre as well such as others. Thank You Dude — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thehoax123 (talkcontribs) 17:45, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

  • Kindly read our Notability guideline to understand what kind of information can be included on Wikipedia. Please also read OR to understand why you should not include your personally created material. Thanks. Wifione Message 18:07, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

How Do Subpages Work[edit]

A subpage (I think it was a subpage) that I created recently called User:Dolphinholme test was deleted 'speedily'. Why was this? Are the subpages I create viewable by everyone and if so, do they need to go through my user page to see it? The reason I ask this is that obviously I don't want my ungrammatical testing of stuff to appear in the search engine. Can I create individual subpages to test out different articles I am thinking of writing (e.g. Dolphinholme, a small village in NW England) or should that be done in my Sandbox? Thanks. Paddy1066 (talk) 18:31, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

It was an error in syntax. To create the subpage, it needs to be located at User:Paddy1066/SUBPAGE with the word subpage replaced by whatever you want it to be. The two attempts you made at creating the subpage were located in the wrong namespaces. I will restore the last of these and move it to the proper location. Gimme a sec. --Jayron32 18:38, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
Your work has been restored and moved to the proper location, which is User:Paddy1066/Dolphineholme test. Good luck! --Jayron32 18:43, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. Paddy1066 (talk) 18:48, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Everybody can see any saved page which hasn't been deleted, but if you place {{NOINDEX}} on a userspace page then it will not be indexed by Google and other search engines respecting the noindex tag. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:32, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

User stats[edit]

How do I locate that tool with my edit stats? I had it bookmarked but deleted it by mistake. Thanks. Malke 2010 (talk) 19:08, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

There are several. See Wikipedia:WikiProject edit counters. The bottom of Special:Contributions/Malke 2010 has a link on "Edit count" to PrimeHunter (talk) 19:26, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
Thanks a bunch. Malke 2010 (talk) 22:17, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Cabnt find the extreme music article where is it?[edit]

i have searched the internet but i dont have found the article that was abouut extreme music. there were been extreme music genres and the descriptions of it. is this article deletet? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saludacymbals (talkcontribs) 21:11, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Extreme music redirects to Extreme metal. - David Biddulph (talk) 21:15, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Referencing information released under a UK Freedom Of Information act request.[edit]

Hi, I've recently had an MoD FOI request answered. I like to reference the information in an article. I have a few questions:

  • How? Do the MoD host their answered requests on a website? If not, how would I reference this?
  • Some photos have also been released, does Wikipedia still treat these as UK crown copyright.

If possible I'd like to communicate via e-mail please. Thankyou for your time. Ryan4314 (talk) 22:47, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Unless it's been published on a publicly-accessible website, you can't use it; in other words, an e-mail sent to you will not suffice, nor will a URL to which only you have the key. --Orange Mike | Talk 23:23, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
Answering the second point, MoD photos are Crown Copyright. If they are over 50 years old (i.e pre-1961) then they are now "Crown Copyright expired" images. Effectively PD but attribution is requested and should be given. Images from 1961 onwards are not in the PD, but may possibly be used under fair use rule with the appropriate templates/rationales for such use. Mjroots (talk) 06:23, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
Ok, so if MoD host FOI request response, I can cite that in a an article yes? Ryan4314 (talk) 17:08, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Please Add[edit]

Could you please add marcia wallace to the Celebrity guests on the brady bunch page as she was a guest as Marcia's teacher, mrs Robbins and and appearance in where Jan buys a black wig.

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:52, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

I haven't heard of Marcia Wallace before. Her appearance in episode 40 and 61 is mentioned in List of The Brady Bunch episodes where she is called "Guest star", but not "Special guest star". I don't know whether she qualifies for The Brady Bunch#Celebrity guests which appears to follow "Special guest star" quite closely. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:25, 13 September 2011 (UTC)