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May 25[edit]

I will like to request full protection on a not-created-as-of-yet page[edit]

I am requesting full protection on a entry for a business (auction website). A great part of the net earnings are redirected to charities around the world, and anti-human trafficking organization. But as a business, we can not let our competitor ruin our image our damage our reputation by writing negative information. By no means are we requesting to be exalted our promoted, we would only like to have a entry or definition of our website and why was it founded and the places we help.

We are not a charity, we are business that focused on helping kids. If by any chance can we get full protection for the article, please let me know. Thank you very much.

Ada Z.
Bids that Give — Preceding unsigned comment added by Btgada16 (talkcontribs) 00:04, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, but you don't stand an ice-cream's chance in hell of getting 'full protection on a not-created-as-of-yet page'. Wikipedia doesn't work like that. AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:15, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
We do not proactively protect pages. GB fan 00:15, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
And we would only like to have a entry or definition of our website and why was it founded and the places we help. sounds like promotion to me.--ukexpat (talk) 01:28, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
There's several entirely different issues that need to be dealt with here:
  1. There's no evidence that your company has been the subject of extensive writing by disinterested third parties. Since it hasn't, it would never be the subject of a Wikipedia article anyways.
  2. If it does qualify, you should not be the one writing about it, instead it would be best if disinterested people, unconnected to your company, wrote about it under no control on your, or your company's control. That is, Wikipedia editors are encouraged to avoid editing where a conflict of interest exists, because you have an interest in seeing your company's internet presence expanded by being noted on a very popular website, and Wikipedia has an interest in seeing that its articles written in a neutral, disinterested tone, it is not a good idea to allow you to write it.
  3. No one, not the subject of the article, nor the people who write the articles, whoever they are own the text of the articles. All text at Wikipedia should, as much as practical, be open to improvement by anybody.
  4. Articles are not protected preemptively. This is because Wikipedia is designed to be as open as possible, and only when there is clear evidence that someone is actively trying to damage Wikipedia, or is otherwise causing problems that need to be stopped immediately, do we violate that basic principle.
Ada, you've been given some rather curt responses before this, but as it appears you are new to Wikipedia, I hope this longer explanation helps you understand a little bit more about how things work here. --Jayron32 01:40, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
I think that Btgada16's request was the result, not of ignorance, but of his reasonable expectation that an article on his company will acquire an extensive "criticisms" section. The company runs penny auctions. Maproom (talk) 05:48, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Question about block messages[edit]

During a recent RfC, we were discussing whether an IP editor should be allowed to remove a message placed on his talk page with Template:School block. Another user said "block messages [that the users sees when he tries to edit a page] are entirely visible, probably more visible, to the end users in the actual block message [Template:School block]."[1] Having never been blocked, I have never seen the message that a blocked user sees when he tries to edit. How can I view that message? I suppose that I could achieve that goal by vandalizing WP:AIAV (ducks while everyone throws things)... --Guy Macon (talk) 01:34, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

A search for "blocked" in the MediaWiki namespace finds MediaWiki:Blockedtext. -- John of Reading (talk) 05:25, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! Do you know whether that message is triggered by attempting to edit Wikipedia, or by the far-more-common reading Wikipedia? --Guy Macon (talk) 07:52, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
Attempting to edit. See Wikipedia:Blocking policy. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:07, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Help!! I have made Edits and they got reversed.[edit]

Help!! I have made Edits and they got reversed.

I edited this page:

To reflect a new driver champion, Peter Dempsey who won today in Indianapolis at the Indy Lights race.

An editor reversed my changes and now only the page is only current/up-to-date for last year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:34, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

The reason that the edit was reverted was because it was incorrect. The person you note won a single race in the above racing series, not the entire championship for the whole year. The current season has not yet concluded, so we don't know who the champion is. You've confused the article about an entire series of races with a single race. --Jayron32 01:43, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
[After Edit conflict]...I know nothing about these races, but it might help you see what's happening if you first click on the "View history" tab at the top of the article, noting in particular the reverting editor's Edit summary, which says "...dempsey won a race, not the championship". Now, I don't know if that's a valid comment. You probably do. Your next stop might be the article's Talk page, where you could open a discussion on the matter if you think it's appropriate. HiLo48 (talk) 01:47, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
As others say, you edited the wrong article. Specifically, Peter Dempsey won the Firestone Freedom 100 which is only the fourth of twelve races in the racing series Firestone Indy Lights. Dempsey's win yesterday had already been added to Firestone Freedom 100 and 2013 Indy Lights season. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:01, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

References not showing up on Books or articles rendered as PDF[edit]

When I render a book as PDF or choose “Download as PDF” from the “Print/export” drop menu on the left of an article, the PDF version does not include most references. The first example is Book:Critical Care: An Introduction this is a fairly large book so I tried the article Intensive-care unit. I next tried a draft article I am working on User:MrBill3/draft article MSS. I placed a helpme tag on my talk page. The response I recieved suggested editing the articles using the Template:Cite web and Template:Cite news. Both articles use those templates, my draft article uses both extensively. The PDF produced has [number] inline for citations but only the references which are bare urls. The intensive care unit article uses the <references /> tag and my draft article uses the {{reflist}} template. I was wondering if the citation templates or something transcluded in them has made it onto the exclude in print list.MrBill3 (talk) 04:22, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Try asking at WP:VPT.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 18:33, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Creating New Article Draft[edit]

I see two different places to create draft articles. "Special:Mypage/article" and the other under articles for creation.

What is the difference between these two places to start an article, other than one appears in my user space and the other appears more public? GS Silver (talk) 05:39, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zwik100 (talkcontribs) 05:39, 25 May 2013 (UTC) 
If you work in your sandbox you work alone - and run the risk of the article being run through deletion processes if there are major flaws in it.
If you work at AFC you request review and get feedback from experienced editors. AFC has a specialist help desk. Articles created at AFC almost never face deletion soon after creation.
Basically if you are experienced enough to confidently create an article that complies with all the basic standards, work in your own userspace - if you're not confident of your skills, use AFC. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:33, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Gopal Narhari Natu- Marathi Poet, India[edit]

The article is placed in sub category,without much information.

I want to draw your attention at a contradictory figure appearing on this page. It says Gopal Narhari Natu Whose penname is Lokkavi Manmohan, (1911 to 1999) where as the death window says 1991. This can be corrected.

Second point, the poet was very prominent and persons doing work/research on Mahatma Gandhi, they are not getting any information;


Kalpana Palkhiwala — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:51, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

The article is Natu Gopal Narhar. I have changed the category to match the death date given in the article. It's a stub with very little information and no references at present, because nobody has expanded it yet. If you can improve it, with appropriate references, you are most welcome to do so. - Karenjc 07:55, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Who can help with merging Wolfgang Meuslin and Wolfgang Musculus?[edit]

Wolfgang Meuslin and Wolfgang Musculus are two articles describing one and the same person. I lack knowledge on the subject and am not familiar enough with en:Wikipedia structure, so I'd be more than happy if someone could provide a helping hand. Cheers -- Make (talk) 09:39, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi, there's guidelines at WP:MERGE CaptRik (talk) 10:08, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Background and Style Changing[edit]

Dear Sir / Madam

Please accept my sincere gratitude for your efforts.

Is there any way to change white background of Wikipedia Pages to black or a gray color for better reading (for eyes) and charge saving on AMOLED mobile devices, like fast "Style Options" (that changes text and background colors proportionally) on Yahoo!?

I searched and asked it on your good live-chat help service and suggested link below:

Thanks, it's OK, but i mean a simple and fast way for every user in any level. I wanted to suggest that but first for sureness asked it! Please if not exists, suggest it to site developers, i think it is an important thing for readers and it's necessary for reading in different situations: Day, Night, Indoor, Outdoor, Different eyes, ... apart from display contrast changing. Please dedicate a simple button for fast style changing, PLZ!

With best regards, Your user — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laginto (talkcontribs) 10:20, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

WP:Village pump (proposals) is probably the best place to make this sort of suggestion.
  • If you go to user preferences at the top right of any page there is a 'gadgets' section choice that puts green text on black if you have the 'Monobook' skin selected in the 'appearance' tab of the same preferences pages. I don't know if this will be any better.--Canoe1967 (talk) 19:00, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Suspect user[edit]

DogsHeadFalls (talk · contribs) Could someone check on this user's edits? Especially the disambiguation of the politician Maureen Walsh. I've reverted a few of their edits because the sources failed reliability or didn't make the claims that the user said they did. I'm on an iPad, so checking on everything is getting frustratingly tedious. Thanks, Dismas|(talk) 14:35, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Others who reverted identified the edits as good faith, though twice the source didn't say what he/she claimed. Saying a person went to Hell borders on vandalism.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 19:42, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

starting new subjects[edit]

how do i start a new subjectTheMouthofSauron (talk) 16:42, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Check out WP:YFA. It explains how to create a new article. RudolfRed (talk) 16:50, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
I'm sorry. I didnt mean article I meant a new subject on a talk page. My bad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMouthofSauron (talkcontribs) 17:01, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
At the top of the talk page, there should be a "new section" link. Click that,it will open an edit box for you. RudolfRed (talk) 17:06, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Vedic math book link[edit]

This article is discrediting a Vedic Math. Seems very much driven by religious discontent with Hindu/Vedic belief. As long user of Wikipedia for references on wide range of subjects. I feel let down looking at the miss information being promote using your good name. My request to you is either validate claims of this article or remove or suspend still than. Vedic Math is thought in Indian premium Univeristies like Chennia India. The Vedic math book is legally published in India and reprinted over last several decades. It is very offending to see this article to all whose way of life is based of Vedic teachings — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:36, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

The article certainly does not discredit Vedic mathematics. It discredits a book whose author falsely claims that it is based on Vedic mathematics. Maproom (talk) 18:37, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
For Wikipedia's treatment of Vedic mathematics as such, see Indian mathematics. Since so-called Arabic numerals were actually invented in India, everyone who does arithmetic in the modern world uses Indian mathematics. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:34, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Pebble mice[edit]

Reference entry about pebble mice. The article says they are indigenous to. Australia. I have been watching a mouse take pebbles from my garden in Tiptree Essex. UK. Ay comments? Mike w. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:26, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

I can find no article in Wikipedia titled "pebble mice" or "pebble mouse". There is an article "pebble-mound mouse". Did your Essex mouse use its pebbles to build a mound? Maproom (talk) 18:37, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Png rendering of math mode[edit]

I'm trying to add examples in the article String_operations. In MathJax, everything rendered fine. However, when I tried Png rendering, I got lexing errors at double quotes in math mode (e.g. Failed to parse (syntax error): {\displaystyle "Hello," \cdot "world" = "Hello,world"} ). After tediously replacing them all by ugly langle/rangle symbols (e.g. ), I got lexing errors at ß (HTML: szlig ß) in math mode (e.g. Failed to parse (syntax error): {\displaystyle \langle Straße \rangle} ). When looking for advice on these issues, I found that in section Help:Displaying_a_formula#Pros_of_TeX, the link at the end of item 2 ("It is more a reason to help improve the situation.") leads to a nonexisting section "Bug_reports".

(I posted the same problem also at Help_talk:Displaying_a_formula#Png_rendering_of_math_mode.) Jochen Burghardt (talk) 19:17, 25 May 2013 (UTC)


ابحث عن ابني خالد حسين Qaaiti، كان في مانشستر يونايتد آخر مرة في عام 2005 كيف أعرف هنا هو حيا أو ميتا معي صورته آخر مرة 2005 — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:21, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Google translate suggests that this is someone looking for a 'Khaled Hussein Qaaiti', last seen in Manchester(?). If so, there is nothing we can do to help. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a means to locate individuals. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:30, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
Also that comment screws up the highlight bar if you try to highlight it. What gives? MM (What's up pup?) - (Chocolate Cakes ◕‿◕) 08:39, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
It doesn’t “screw” the “highligh” (select, rather), it just does what it is expected to do, considering that the Arabic script runs left to right. Mixed content does behave in an odd manner. Tuvalkin (talk) 11:52, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Abusive redirect[edit]

I don't know (nor do I particularly want to) how to flag or remove the redirect of Brandon Raub (outspoken, jailed Marine) to Swollen Members. May require a RfD but I never got into all that, nor do I want to spend an hour researching it. Twang (talk) 20:20, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

I have proposed the redirect for speedy deletion as it's target is invalid.
Please do not use the "help me" or "help admin" templates here. This entire page is about helping - all topics on it are by default presumed to be requests for help. Those templates are supposed to only be used on your own talk page. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:41, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
Though Template:Admin help/doc does say it can be used here. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:32, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

A Question as to Whether Behavior Is Actionable[edit]

I have a question about the behavior of an editor in an article and its talk page. I won't identify the article or the editor at this time. This editor is frequently uncivil, and is frequently cautioned on his user talk page. He then blanks his user talk page with the edit summary of "revert vandalism". Is this in explicit violation of any policy or guideline? Robert McClenon (talk) 20:37, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

More precisely, I know that incivility is in violation of a policy. Is the blanking of warnings on a user talk page in violation of a policy? My understanding is that, in general, the blanking of talk pages is discouraged but permitted, because archiving is preferred. Is the incorrect edit summary in violation of a policy or guideline? Robert McClenon (talk) 20:58, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

I would certainly say that the false summary is a violation of our civility expectations! --Orange Mike | Talk 00:05, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
In the past, it was possible to report violations of our civility expectations at WP:WQA. This is no longer the case. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 00:12, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Your article on ctl (coal to Liquid) is terrible. Please review World Coal Institute article on CTL.[edit]

This process is not logical and design to stop corrections of poor articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:52, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

It isn't clear what article you are referring to, but you can either discuss the matter on the article talk page, or can edit the article to to fix it, unless you have a conflict of interest due to employment by a company or trade association involved in coal liquification. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:59, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

You can also submit it to peer review and someone might help improve the article. Or as they say a lot here, be bold! Darrman (talk) 10:46, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

putting figure caption to the left of a figure[edit]


How can I annotate a figure with the caption to the left of a figure instead of below it?

I want to put a detailed description of this image to he left of it (for screen purposes).

TCO (talk) 21:16, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

I don't know if that's possible. All the expamples at WP:CAPTION and WP:PIC have the caption at the bottom. RudolfRed (talk) 21:22, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
I don't know that doing so would be advisable, but I suppose you could make a table, with the cell to the left having text and the cell to the right having the image. For example:
{| class="wikitable" style="width: 40%;"
| text text text text... || [[File:Recherches sur l’isolement du fluor, Fig. 5.PNG|200px]]
Which would format (with more text for illustration purposes) as:
text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text Recherches sur l’isolement du fluor, Fig. 5.PNG
The width parameter keeps the text from stretching the caption cell hugely. You could also add (next to the "|-") valign="bottom" to make the text appear at the bottom of the cell.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 07:10, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
Great, can you center the table (on the page), please?TCO (talk) 14:18, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I have just centered the table for you. Simply use the <center> and </center> commands as in HTML. The <center> goes before the entire table and </center> goes after (ends the center command). Do you need help with anything else? --JustBerry (talk) 14:33, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
I fixed the markup so you can see the centering in the code.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:44, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
TCO, do you have any more questions or have your questions been resolved? --JustBerry (talk) 14:54, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
Resolved, and thank you again. This is a great resource.TCO (talk) 14:58, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
No problem. I have marked this topic as resolved. If you have any further questions, feel free to leave me a message on my talk page. --JustBerry (talk) 15:06, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
It is better to do these sort of constructs using a template, so that at a later time, we can easily improve layout or syntax of the construct for all uses of such a thing. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 19:37, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

<center> is obsolete. See Help:TABLECENTER. Use {{center}} for text. --  Gadget850 talk 23:33, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Adding photographs.[edit]

I would like to add a photograph to the entry for the British Jazz Singer Beryl Bryden. It is much better than the one on the page . It is a publicity handout given to me by Beryl in 1957. I cannot think that there is any copyright since she gave them away freely to all of her fans. I have edited the page with some additional information but I am darned if I can understand how to download and add a photo. Can you help please Diddyday (talk) 21:23, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

If we know the photographer they are usually copyright until 70 years after the photographer dies. If we don't know who took the picture then it can be 120 years after date of creation. We also need to know date and countries of first publications. Being handouts then that may be considered publication in the countries they were handed out in.--Canoe1967 (talk) 21:30, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
I haven't a clue who took the photo. It would have been commissioned by Beryl herself but there is no photographer's name on the photo. Where does that leave me? Beryl has been dead for years so we can't ask her! Beryl always had a handful of the photos with her and probably gave them out all over the place, not just in the UKDiddyday (talk) 21:41, 25 May 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Diddyday (talkcontribs) 21:37, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
The existing Beryl Bryden image may be a copyright violation as well. I put it in deletion review over at commons. If it is deleted in about 7 days then we may be able to use yours under Wikipedia:Non-free content if we can't find a free license image. I think 300px wide is max for non-free images though.--Canoe1967 (talk) 21:43, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
The somewhat comparable case of File:The Monroes Cast 1966.jpg may be of interest. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 00:28, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Her career was mostly in Europe so PD-US-no notice photos may be difficult to source and verify as PD. Fair use may be the best bet unless you can find a copyright holder to release one under a free licence.--Canoe1967 (talk) 17:18, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

article I created has been deleted[edit]

I have created an article on living person, actor producer. And after creating the article I wanted to upload the image and everything got deleted. Also it was impossible to find how to provide the citations, or links to verify validity of the information provided. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Star writer (talkcontribs) 22:58, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Are you referring to Carlotta_Montanari? The notice that was placed on the page, which you removed, says that there is a 10-day grace period before it will be deleted. See WP:REFB if you need help getting references working. RudolfRed (talk) 23:54, 25 May 2013 (UTC)