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April 18[edit]

Collecting diffs at a user page[edit]

Hi, I like editing Wikipedia articles, and thus far have tried to avoid starting cases or complaints against other editors, because it usually just detracts from editing articles. However, I have encountered a particular editor who I may need to start a case about, perhaps an RFC/U or something like that. I will need to collect diffs, over an extended period of time, and my question is: can or should I use one of my user pages for that?Anythingyouwant (talk) 00:12, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

You can if you want. User pages are for anything and everything related to editing/using Wikipedia that you want! See also WP:UPYES CTF83! 00:20, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
See also WP:UP#POLEMIC. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:35, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
So I guess save it off Wikipedia! CTF83! 00:39, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks you two, for pointing me in the right direction. It says: "The compilation of factual evidence (diffs) in user subpages, for purposes such as preparing for a dispute resolution process, is permitted provided it will be used in a timely manner." Since I'm not sure how timely this will be, it would appear wise to save the diffs offline. That's a bit more inconvenient, but I can do it. Cheers.Anythingyouwant (talk) 00:44, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Question[edit]

Does Wikipedia have a function that allows the reader to have the page be read to them? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.5.234.141 (talk) 00:52, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

A very small selection of Wikipedia articles have spoken recordings available, which can be viewed at Wikipedia:Spoken articles. For the great majority of articles that don't have spoken versions, I recommend copying-and-pasting whatever content you want read to you into an online text-to-voice translator. There are plenty of websites or browser extensions online that can do this for you. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 02:15, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

photo question[edit]

Hi, how do I insert a photo? I see the picture gallery option, but not sure how to upload a photo in the first place.Mghovan (talk) 01:16, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

WP:UPLOAD CTF83! 02:31, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

I am not an expert but I find this Wikimedia Commons Upload Wizard works quite well. With a few exceptions though you do need to make sure you own the photo (explained at the wizard page). Hope this is of some help. Cheers. Melbourne3163 (talk) 08:35, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Need help finding question I posted[edit]

On the science reference desk on april 12, I posted a question called "Do pet shop animals have worms or parasites" I checked back a hour later and someone had posted a response and then I forgot about it. I just remembered it now and when I tried to search the archives I can't find it. Can anyone help I want to see if there are more answers to it.--Tarhound21 (talk) 04:24, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

@Tarhound21: Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Science/2014 April 12#Do pet shop animals have worms or parasites - Purplewowies (talk) 05:00, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

For future reference how do I find it myself?--Tarhound21 (talk) 05:44, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

If you put your user name into the archive search at WP:Reference desk/Archives, it gets you to this result. --David Biddulph (talk) 06:37, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
@Tarhound21: I clicked the "Archives" button in the sidebar and went to the month and then the day. If you know what day you're looking for, you should be able to find any page, even if it doesn't appear in the search engine. - Purplewowies (talk) 16:48, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Need help to update news portal.[edit]

Hi! I'm trying to update the news portal of India, can anyone tell me if the current changes are proper and according to the code of Wikipedia. I also wanted to know that how often i have to add news events on that page.--Saurabh.agrawal92 (talk) 06:22, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

james kilfedder[edit]

James kilfedder is buried in roselawn cemetery Belfast not whitechurch as stated in article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.71.36.255 (talk) 07:23, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out. I've corrected the article in question. Remember that Wikipedia encourages you to amend information like that yourself, though it should be with a reliable source. Valenciano (talk) 08:10, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

help[edit]

hey I bought a product online and it was defected I wish to file a complaint but the online provider has deleted the details wit pics from his site is there any way I can retrieve this info — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.56.72.173 (talk) 09:01, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Symbol move vote.svg This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. CTF83! 10:03, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Column alignment[edit]

At Tennis players with most titles since 1968 how do I left align the Country column in the two tables while leaving the rest of the table columns to its current center alignment?--Wolbo (talk) 09:36, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

If a table has columns with different alignment then each cell in the column must be aligned separately. For example, replace {{USA}} by align="left"|{{USA}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:48, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Really? That's unworkable. Strengthens my opinion that the table functionality is in dire need of a major overhaul to make it more intuitive and user-friendly. Anyway thanks for the answer!--Wolbo (talk) 13:43, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
It's a html limitation but it would be practical if MediaWiki had a feature to specify a column property in one place and the software then automatically copied the code to each cell. We do have template features so you could make a Help:Table#Row template which could also have a simple parameter to specify the property determining the rendering of the first column. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:22, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

"self harm" article[edit]

the self harm article has a picture of self harm right at the top of the page and it is very triggering. seeing images like that will give me (and many others) the urge to hurt themselves. if you could either remove that image or put something like... a thing you have to scroll over in order to reveal the image? that'd be great.

the only reason i was even on the article was for a school project and yeah i'm not feeling very good now — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.165.168.206 (talk) 10:11, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi there - sorry the page is giving you trouble! Wikipedia has a policy of being uncensored, which means that there will always be content that readers may find objectionable or offensive. As long as the objectionable content (including images) is relevant and appropriate for the article from an encyclopedic standpoint, it will remain. I recommend checking out 'Help:Options to hide an image' for a number of ways to hide and prevent yourself from viewing images you don't want to see. Hope this helps, ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 11:39, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Cahora Bassa[edit]

The location map to the article of the German version article looks really cool and is ionformative. I wonder, if somebody could organise for this happening in the local version here. Cheers, OAlexander (talk) 10:20, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

File:Mozambique relief location map.jpg is in Commons, so you can use it here in enwiki. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:01, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
I have added Template:Location map.[1] PrimeHunter (talk) 12:40, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Thank you very much! Highly appreciated, looks good. Cheers, OAlexander (talk) 15:46, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Wikidata interlinks to 2 articles?[edit]

Hello, how to deal with the issue when a wikidata item corresponds to 2 different articles in a particular language? For example, the pomegranate item is only linked to the french article of the tree (Grenadier). Is it possible to link it to the fruit article (Grenade) as well? Because now this article has no link to the the other languages (except one). Boulbik (talk) 12:17, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

A serious limitation of Wikidata is that it can handle only one-to-one correspondence. For other links you'd need to return to the previous method of Interwiki linking. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:57, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for your answer. So, since it would be replaced by the old interlinking method, the other wikidata item associated with the pomegranate fruit can be removed? Boulbik (talk) 13:17, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

edit..[edit]

I made an update on a page of polo players with a +10 handicap but my addition is not showing...reason? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polo_handicap — Preceding unsigned comment added by Orchid123 (talkcontribs) 15:05, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

The page history [2] shows five edits by you, but the fourth reverted the third so the third is no longer showing. If an edit doesn't show for you then you may have to bypass your cache. If you still have problems then please be more specific about what you don't see. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:25, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
I see you modified two articles: [3] and [4]. Maybe you were looking at the other one? Boulbik (talk) 15:45, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Missing archives at Talk:Book of Exodus[edit]

The archives for Talk:Book of Exodus aren't accessible from the talk page. There are red links for Archives 1 and 2 and the history shows an Archive 4, which exists. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 18:06, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

@Dougweller: was it caused by this [5] page move? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 18:10, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
No, it seems the archiving was set up incorrectly from the start in this and other talk pages.[6] Maybe the editor copied archiving code without knowing how to adapt it. I don't have time to investigate more now. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:35, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
There is only one archive. I have moved the archive to the correct name and fixed the talk page.[7] I also fixed another error in the above contributions link. The other errors had already been fixed. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:44, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. I couldn't find any evidence of any other archives, weird that it was named 4. Your help is much appreciated. Dougweller (talk) 21:03, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Before this edit to User:MiszaBot/Archive HowTo, it was rather easy to set up archives starting at number 4 by mistake. I've done it myself. -- John of Reading (talk) 21:18, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Please help me for increase the Google+ circle[edit]

Please help me for increase the Google+ circle ,

You've reached the maximum number of people that can be in your circles at this time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Faheemjamil1979 (talkcontribs) 18:46, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 5.4 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 18:50, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Article name[edit]

This article hasn't an English name: Нехристь. Should we move it? --Zyma (talk) 18:58, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

since there is no evidence that it meets the criteria for a stand alone article, I have just converted it to a redirect as a possible search term. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 19:03, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
I agree with you. --Zyma (talk) 22:59, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Too similar to the following username[edit]

I am trying to create a new user as forgot password is not sending me a link to a temporary password, but I am getting "Too similar to the following username" why is this system in effect? It seems quite stupid and the username I am picking are nothing like the "similar" ones. -- 19:23, 18 April 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.147.221.103 (talk)

It is in effect to prevent confusion from two people having account names that are too similar. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 19:25, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
It's impossible to evaluate when you don't say the usernames but you can make a request at Wikipedia:Request an account. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:48, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Cannot log in[edit]

Hi, Apparently my username was saved in Wikipedia, but I never got a verification email to finish setting up my account. Please help. Many thanks! :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.133.159.5 (talk) 21:24, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

You don't need an email to log in. At account creation you choose a password which works right away. What is the username? PrimeHunter (talk) 21:53, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Qs[edit]

Q1. Who is there to consult with if I have Qs re terms of an IBAN?

Q2. Who is there to consult with if I have problems and issues with an administrator's behavior?

Ihardlythinkso (talk) 21:28, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

For the first issue, I'd recommend asking at the administrators noticeboard. For the second, follow the dispute resolution process. You can bring up admin issues at the administrators noticeboard or the incidents subpage, but your actions will also be subject to heavy scrutiny. Usually, following the "proper" dispute resolution process is more successful. --NYKevin 23:20, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

references unavailable[edit]

I've recently started working for Morrow Mountain State Park. Our page has boxes before some segments pointing out that no references are provided. I can't find any sources to site; info all comes from Morrow Mountain State Park staff. What is the correct way to proceed? Is this one of the rare occasions where it would be appropriate to use the Park's email address as the reference? Thank you. Davidbriggs77 (talk) 22:14, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

It would be preferable to find secondary sources to support the article. Wikipedia generally prefers secondary to primary sources in most circumstances anyway. Are you saying there are no secondary sources at all? --NYKevin 23:26, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Generally not. For uncontroversial factual data it is sometimes acceptable to use primary sources, but if a section cannot be supported by independent references it probably shouldn't be in the article at all. Certainly a great deal of the information in Morrow Mountain State Park is not encyclopaedic and should be removed (for example, in my view, the whole of the sections "Attractions" to "Trails" should be condensed to one or two paragraphs). In any case, you should not be editing the article at all, as you have a conflict of interest. --ColinFine (talk) 23:33, 18 April 2014 (UTC)