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June 11

Steve Winwood

To Whom It May Concern,

In 2007, I started making contributions to Wikipedia. One of the subjects was about the British musician Steve Winwood and some of the bands of which he has been a member, specifically the band Traffic. Using Steve Winwood's official web page and other sources such as AllMusic.com and Amazon.com, I wrote an article about the band Traffic and their discography, which has been edited and changed twice by other Wikipedia user making mistakes. My main sources are:

Javier Fernández (Antroxu) Antroxu (talk) 00:22, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

References

Is there a question?--S Philbrick(Talk) 01:17, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Antroxu: if you believe that errors have been added to the Traffic (band) article, you can discuss them on the article's talk page. At present you and JPGR69 are engaged in a slow edit war, with neither of you attempting to discuss the issues or even leave edit summaries. You are much more likely to reach agreement if you talk to each other. Maproom (talk) 08:11, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Sorting rows in a table

Please see this article: List of elements. I don’t understand how the second row has the up/down arrows that allow a user to sort the rows within that column. Usually, a sortable table looks more like this: List of Vice Presidents of the United States by age, where the up/down arrows are “embedded” in the first row (not in a separate and distinct second row). The relevant computer code in List of elements is (I think?) as follows:

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|-style="display:none;"
| −999 || !a || !a || !a || −999 || −999 || −999 || −999 || −999 || −999 || −999 || −999 || −999
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So, can someone explain how this works and why does that odd code result in the up/down sorting arrows in a separate and distinct second row? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 04:34, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

It's because there is a second header row below the first, and the sorting buttons go in the lowest header cell. See Help:Sorting#In a narrow space: sorting buttons in a separate row. —  crh ₂₃  (Talk) 08:48, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. OK. But what is all that business with the -999 values and the !a notations? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 03:32, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Anyone? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 04:49, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 16:41, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia's new formulas layout

In my browser Opera 9.27 I can't see formulas: https://s.sender.mobi/u/image/2016/6/11/bvB7Yijef/-.JPG

Also W3 validator ( https://validator.w3.org/nu/?doc=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRadiant_flux ) shows huge number of errors. Why you use meta - tag for images? Restore please old layout (using img - tag).

P.S. I will not change browser for your site. 37.53.235.112 (talk) 06:39, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

FWIW, Opera v9 is a decade old. I honestly don't think you'll get much interesting in doing *anything* to support that. If you create an account, and read logged in, you can alter your preferences (under Preferences / Appearance / Math) to render math as PNGs. That may help. Rwessel (talk) 06:58, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Standards are not changed. Just follow standards WWW. Why wikipedia web-developers commit errors on pages? Just because Google Chrome browser shows non-standard behaviour?

How can I contact wikipekia web-developers ?

37.53.235.112 (talk) 07:20, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Village pump. BTW, none of the error shown by the validator you cited should have any real impact. Rwessel (talk) 07:46, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Also, half of them were fixed with a purge —  crh ₂₃  (Talk) 09:17, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Opera is now on version 12.18 and this works fine for me on Wikipedia. Why not just update to the latest version? Dbfirs 07:33, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Are we talking different Operas? 36 for the stable release, 38 for dev, IIRC. Rwessel (talk) 07:46, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Last Presto-engine Opera was 12.17. All next were Chromium clones with absolutely different functional (namely Chrome functional , which much much poorer).

But even 12.17 eats many computer resources. So 9.27 is best for me. 37.53.235.112 (talk) 07:58, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

12.18 is the latest. See History of the Opera web browser#Version 12. Is there a big difference in resource usage? Anyway, if you insist on using an old version, just create an account, as suggested above by Rwessel. Dbfirs 08:02, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

(ec) Still, it seems rather foolhardy to run a version of a browser missing a decade's worth of security patches and actually let it connect to the Internet. But try creating an account as I suggested, it may get around your issue. I think the problem is lack of SVG support in older browsers, and the change in default for rendering math in Wikipedia (IIRC, it was not SVG until recently). Rwessel (talk) 08:07, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error references duplicate key

Please help with reference list on this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir-205

I just added a citation and a text paragraph and -- now this mess. Could you please correct? Many thanks!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by MolinJeffrey (talk • contribs) 10:49, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

The article has been fixed by these two edits. Dismas|^(talk) 13:57, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Burke's Peerage

Please help with a link that goes straight to the "ancestry" section on the Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge page. In the section titled "Editions" on the Burke's Peerage page, at the end of this Edition section, there is the word/link Von Schunck. When you push on von Schunck, you currently go to the "Lupton family" page. Please replace with a the link that is the direct route to the "ancestry section" of the Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge page. I cannot do this here at all this evening.

Sorry. Thanks so much101.189.0.102 (talk) 12:47, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Burke's Peerage

Please see my UN answered queery re this page - several entries ago. I do hope my concerns can be addressed thanks so much101.189.0.102 (talk) 02:46, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

I wasn't aware we were on a clock. If you'd like to fix it, please see WP:PIPEDLINK. Dismas|^(talk) 03:04, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Mass killings under Communist regimes

Why is it protected and for how many days it will remain protected? X-Men XtremE 15:19, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

As far as I can tell it is protected indefinitely after protracted disputes &/or edit-warring. Eagleash (talk) 15:46, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

See [1] and WP:DIGWUREN#DSN —  crh ₂₃  (Talk) 15:48, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

That's a good question, because the answer as to how long is so strange, which is "Forever". It was first semi-protected and then full-protected in 2011 in accordance with Arbcom discretionary sanctions by User:Timotheus Canens. I don't see anything in the arbitration record that indicates that the ArbCom intended it to be fully protected for four-and-one-half years. I would suggest that you ask the protecting administrator, User:Timotheus Canens, whether it can be unprotected. The alternative would be to request page unprotection at Requests for Page Protection, which will probably have the same effect, because an admin will probably ask the protecting admin for their opinion. Robert McClenon (talk)

Is this right? That, there is no time limit to full protection of this page. How many such pages are here which is forever protected, meaning only administrators can edit like this page? X-Men XtremE 15:58, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

The protection is in place to enforce Sandstein's "consensus before substantive edits" restriction. I will not lift it until the underlying restriction is lifted (and RFPP cannot lift it because the protection is itself a discretionary sanction, so WP:AC/DS#sanctions.modify applies). T. Canens (talk) 16:33, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Click "View source" on a protected page to see information about the protection and how to request an edit. Special:ProtectedPages can show lists of pages with different protection settings and properties. This gives a complete list of the 34 mainspace non-redirects with indefinite full protection. Only 8 of them are articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:13, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

While I can understand the contentiousness of the article, leaving it fully protected for four-and-one-half years does seem extreme, so what is the means for lifting the protection? Is it Arbitration Clarifications and Amendments? (Probably not, because this isn't a request to lift the Eastern European discretionary sanctions.) Is it Arbitration Enforcement with no person, just an objective? Can User:Sandstein (who isn't doing DS any more, but is still active) lift the underlying restriction? Robert McClenon (talk) 14:58, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

I can but I won't because can't ascertain whether and how the circumstances that required the sanction (i.e., rabid editwarring and such) have changed. I recommend making an appeal to WP:AE in which you explain why they have and why the sanction is no longer needed. If you convince the admins there (or any admin, really), they are free to change or lift the sanction as they consider appropriate.  Sandstein  15:39, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Hey I would like to write an article

Hey I would like to write an article on this following link ThemStuff but i have noticed that it was deleted for promoting and advertising but I will not advertise anything on it is there a way i can use this link SamUltrox (talk) 16:19, 11 June 2016 (UTC) SamUltrox 11-06-16

Please read WP:Your first article and use the WP:articles for creation wizard - the article will then be vetted by an experienced editor, and if they are happy with the new content, they will ask an administrator to unlock the title.
We do not normally reinstate articles that are copyright violations or blatant advertising, even to user pages, so you will have to start again - but if the article was deleted for blatant advertising and you will not be including any advertising, the two articles will be so different that there would be little point in reinstating it anyway.
I see that two articles on ThemStuff have been deleted today, and then you ask about it, so I suspect you are, or are connected to, the author of the first two articles.
Furthermore, with such a sudden upsurge of interest, I also suspect you may have a conflict of interest, so should read and follow our conflict of interest policy - Arjayay (talk) 16:36, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

William Henry Tayloe

Need help with changing the lowercase "h" and "t" on henry and tayloe. Should read William Henry Tayloe... Cheers — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tayloe.cook (talk • contribs) 18:09, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Resolved

The page has already been moved. Eagleash (talk) 18:16, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

in correct spelling of my last name

Hi, my name is Johnny Amanse, formerly from the band SIX FEET DEEP. I'm just requesting a correction on my last name. It is "Amanse" not "Amansi". Thank You, and best regards.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.213.14.17 (talk) 19:16, June 11, 2016 (UTC)

For reference we are talking about Six Feet Deep. The only source we have that mentions the name spells it Amansi. That may not mean anything as it is a blog and is not considered reliable. Do you have any published source that has your name? On a related note, that article in general may not meet our criteria for inclusion. Most of the sources are to non-reliable sources or are not independent discussion of the band. --Majora (talk) 19:34, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Flat White Coffee

Article Flat White Coffee The article states the origin of a Flat White Coffee as Australia or New Zealand in the 1980s. In the film "Danger by my Side" 1963' the detective inspector asks for a Flat White in a coffee bar. ¡ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.44.69.28 (talk) 19:39, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Flat white (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Adding a convenience link. Dismas|^(talk) 19:41, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Material on Wikipedia must be sourced to reliable sources. Please provide a source that our readers can use to verify your claim. Thank you. --Majora (talk) 20:57, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

If it's said in a film, the film itself would be the source. Dismas|^(talk) 21:15, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Yes, but like everything on Wikipedia we don't take people's word for it. We require a source which is why I asked for one. --Majora (talk) 21:44, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

So, you want a source for something that's said in a film when anyone could find a copy of said film and hear it for themselves? And the writer of that source you'd trust but not an IP who said they saw it in the very same film? Dismas|^(talk) 02:59, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Seeing as we have six separate references that show that the drink was created in the 80s, asking for additional proof is not wrong in my mind. A simple link to something, anything, that says otherwise would be appreciated. Else anyone can come on here and say anything they want to change any well sourced information. --Majora (talk) 03:11, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

How do I properly cite paragraphs from a published text?

I want to use the entire paragraph from the text. Do I quote the entire thing? Do I cite it as I would cite facts?

I think the paragraph can add valuable insight to the article, how do I cite it properly?

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SmallRegular (talk • contribs) 20:51, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

@SmallRegular: Please don't copy and paste entire paragraphs into our articles. That is copyright infringement and can result in the revocation of your editing privileges. Please rewrite everything in your own words and only use small quotes if absolutely necessary. The only exception to this rule is if the source is in the public domain. Please provide a link to the source if you believe it is so we can check. Thank you. --Majora (talk) 20:55, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi, SmallRegular. While Majora is in general right, I think they have overstated the situation a bit. Short quotations are not a last resort. See MOS:QUOTE. --ColinFine (talk) 22:01, 11 June 2016 (UTC)