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February 27

Robert Mueller

This article has a section that lists his military awards and

Military awards

Bronze Star w/Combat V Purple Heart Medal Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medal w/ Combat V and gold star Combat Action Ribbon Navy Meritorious Unit Commendation National Defense Service Medal Vietnam Service Medal w/ 4 bronze campaign stars Republic of Vietnam Gallantry Cross w/ bronze star Republic of Vietnam Civil Action Medal Vietnam Campaign Medal Marksmanship badge for rifle Expert marksmanship badge for pistol Ranger tab U.S Military basic Parachutist badge

Two of these are suspect and should have more investigation done. Ranger Tab is only awarded to US Army graduates of Ranger School, not Marines. Parachutist Badge, while this award is possible for Marines it is highly unlikely it was awarded to a Marine who was a Rifle Platoon Leader and infantryman.

This man is a highly decorated Marine and deserving of our respect and appreciation. I believe someone got a little carried away adding Badges and Awards eh woudl not have earned in the Marine Corps. Simper Fi Captain Mueller! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:3006:15BD:0:74D6:18B:DFD:D383 (talk) 00:36, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing out a potential error. Please discuss this on the article's talk page, or Be bold. RudolfRed (talk) 00:50, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Not an error. The article text describes it with a source. Rmhermen (talk) 07:11, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Unless I've missed it, I could not find either award in the source (which is one at the top, covering the whole section) either in the list of awards or individual citations. The content could be removed as unsourced or tagged for a reference or for 'not in source'. Eagleash (talk) 08:00, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Being discussed at the article talk. Legacypac (talk) 08:06, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

• Note: Copied to article TP. I have not collapsed the disc. here as HD volunteers may wish to read first, before deciding to contribute. Eagleash (talk) 11:30, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Deleting history or is "cannot lose that notability" still a guideline

A company with Stieglitz as the second name had a 12 paragraph / 354 word NYTimes writeup in 1970. At a time when international communications were difficult, the firm had three foreign offices. The firm's 1972 merger with another had a one paragraph / 47 word Times piece. There was coverage of a former employee who, before his passing beyond age 100, had founded another firm, having met his wife at Stieglitz. If "once something is notable, it cannot lose that notability" is a guideline, then how can this 1898-founded firm just disappear, when a paper encyclopedia would still have this information on a successor medium (microfilm, CD, DVD, "the cloud") ?

Mr. Neuberger is still to be found on Wiki because N&B is still around, but merging the Halle Stieglitz article into anything about either Roy (father or son) is not a great idea, and a long-ago ad showing a long list of financial firms that merged into oblivion suggests that Wiki will not be the place to look for history.

Suggestions? Pi314m (talk) 01:31, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

@Pi314m:I do not understand your issue. Did something occur here on Wikipedia (such as an article deletion) that you object to? If so, what occurred, and what was the name of the article? Once we know that, we can direct you to the correct place. -Arch dude (talk) 06:10, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

This seems to be about the placing of a notability tag on the Halle & Stieglitz article by Rosguill. The tag is not a proposal for deletion or merging, so there is no immediate risk of either of those things happening (and if such a proposal were to be made, you would be able to participate in the debate). While it is true that notability is not temporary, it's likely that Rosguill placed the tag on the article because they were concerned that the company was never notable. Notability requires substantial coverage in multiple reliable sources, and it may be the case that the article doesn't currently demonstrate such coverage. @Pi314m: If you could confirm that this is what you're concerned about, or whether I've misunderstood, that would be helpful. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 17:30, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

To further explain my reasoning for adding that tag, currently there are three citations on the article. #1 seemed to me to be rather routine business press, #2 was locked behind a paywall, and has a title suggesting that the company merged with another company (meaning it may be most appropriate to write an article about the post-merge company and include content about Halle and Stieglitz in a History section), and #3 barely mentions the company at all. Companies are held to a rather high notability standard––while it's entirely possible that it can be met, the article as it is right now is a bit short of the mark of proving that (depending on what's in the paywalled article). _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:22, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

#1 doesn't seem so routine: it devotes lots of space to people's backgrounds, and since it's about a restructuring of how they worked from 1890-1970, it let the following few words tell it: "has developed an extensive brokerage and underwriting business but has not been active in developing new corporate ventures." It also added "planned to increase the company's activities in corporate fi nance and services to institutional investors." One new person is mentioned in the context of "developed the 'Lassie' series and 14 other programs for television." New people with diverse background, new thinking (including new Chairman of the Board, co-founder Halle's son, who worked there several decades).

#2 is not behind a paywall. I just accessed it and added an "|accessdate=" to the article. The article isn't long, just to the point: doesn't say that #domestic offices more than doubled, just that there are now 18. Prior reporting had said was eight. It just confirms what was previously announced. (key words: "previously announced merger had become effective yesterday.") The merged company just added more names, to look like Merill Lynch Pierce Fenner & Smith, except that they dropped Smith (actually their dropped person is SmYth). So from Halle & S. they became H & S Filor Bullard, and added "Inc."

#3 (a Reuters citation) does support the sentence to which it's attached, but I added the NYTimes counterpart, which has more details.

I thank Rosguill for pushing me to improve the article, but I'd like to point out that it's marked as a stub. A pair of non-trivial sentences, backed by a pair of NYTimes citations, as seen here, if HatMarked as seen here, seems like overkill. Perhaps a smaller hammer is needed than the wording placed there, and with a yellow rather than an orange color code.

P.S. Can the article be given a second look, and, if it's a better stub, please remove the HatNote? Pi314m (talk) 07:25, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Help or advice on an article

I'm not sure if this is the place to come to for help on an article, but I'm here because I checked out the MOS for film articles and I'm not very sure if I understood the section describing themes, so if anyone knows or could redirect me to the specific place that'd be great. -NowIsntItTime^{(chats)(doings)} 02:04, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

@NowIsntItTime: Not my area of interest, but general advice which works fairly well for a variety of subjects. To find folks to help you, try to find the related project. I found that we have Wikipedia:WikiProject Film. Use the project talk page. Also, try to find well-written articles of the type you are interested in, and use them for inspiration. If one of them "feels" right to you in your editorial judgement, you might even try for a fairly close emulation of the layout and style, but only if it matches your needs. -Arch dude (talk) 03:57, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

I tried to find some articles that matched what I was trying to emulate, but I just couldn't find what I needed. I'll try to find someone on the wikiproject then. Thank you so much. -NowIsntItTime^{(chats)(doings)} 04:04, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

2019 NFL Hall of Fame Game

What No 2019 NFL Game Announcement Today. 68.103.78.155 (talk) 02:07, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

This is an encyclopedia, not a source of breaking news. WP:NOTNEWS. If there is something missing from an article, please Fix it! RudolfRed (talk) 03:03, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Leaving the same message on multiple WikiProject talk pages

Hi, I have a message such as this that I need to leave on the wikiproject talk pages of the following projects. Is there an easy way to automate this process? The problem is that my identifier for the project isn't 100% accurate, and so I've been Googling "WikiProject <project name>" and clicking the links to find the edit pages. But even if I had to find the talk pages manually and then just list them and could add the message, that would be very helpful.

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Audiodude (talk • contribs) 05:58, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Sounds like a job for a bot. Ask at WP:BOTREQ. - X201 (talk) 10:31, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Or AWB. Lourdes 18:12, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Accounts live

Hi i have created my profile but still not showing on Wikipedia. Please update if i missed any point.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhimanyu mishra (talk • contribs) 08:25, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

The point which you have missed is that Wikipedia in not a social media website where people post their own profiles. It is an encyclopedia with articles on subjects which meet Wikipedia's definition of notability. Your sandbox draft has not been submitted for review, but if it were it would certainly not be accepted as it has no references to published reliable sources independent of the subject. Further to that, it is liable to speedy deletion under criterion G11 as obvious promotion. Please read Wikipedia's advice against trying to write an autobiography. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:44, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Copyvio of linkedin and deleted under G12.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:23, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Creating new article vs adding to existing article

Please give me an opinion. I'm contemplating creating an article to be titled, "Tijeras Pueblo Archaeological Site." However, an article already exists entitled Tijeras, New Mexico about the small town in which the archaeological site is located. Which alternative would be preferable: a new article about the archaeological site or a section in the existing article about the archaeological site? The existing article is brief, albeit more than a stub, and does not mention the archaeological site. I believe the proposed article would pass the notability test -- and would also be brief but more than a stub. So, does wikipedia have a preference on this question? Smallchief (talk)

Hello, Smallchief My advice would be to start a new section within the existing article. Having done that you can create a WP:REDIRECT so that anyone searching for the site will be redirected to the existing page and sub-section. Later, should the new section grow to an unmanageable size, you could move it out to a new article. But, to be fair, the other way would work too, so long as there are enough sources to verify its existence and prove its notability. You would obviously want to link between the two. I'd say the choice is yours! Just be bold and do what seems right. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:06, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

@Smallchief: as Nick said, this is a editorial choice, and either choice can be defended. I would create a separate article based on the fact that the two subjects are not really closely related, and we strongly discourage combining unrelated subjects into one article. So, make your choice, secure in the knowledge that someone will disagree with it no matter what. -Arch dude (talk) 15:59, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

I appreciate the advice. I wanted to be aware of the more common practice. Smallchief (talk) 16:47, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

"Common practice" is going to vary depending on what the split could be - how different are the two things? One good rule of thumb is to evaluate the sources; if you've got a couple of good, solid, reliable sources so that you can create a well-referenced (if small) article, it would be my advice to do so. If you have mediocre sources or maybe only one or two good ones, I would make a subsection, but in this case I would look for a better fit than the current town. Maybe there's an article on archaeological sites in NM? Or something on Pueblo sites? Matt Deres (talk) 20:55, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, guys. I've decided that Tijeras Archaelogical site is not notable enough to deserve an article -- but I'll include a sentence of two about it in the Tijeras Canyon and Tijeras, New Mexico articles.Smallchief (talk) 11:43, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Turkish or Russian sources needed for article

Greenair was a Turkish airline with Russian investors. The article would benefit from additional sources, and these might be found in Turkish or Russian publications. Is there a template or other means to notify Turkish- or Russian-speaking editors of this? (Something like, "Relevant non-English language sources for this article may exist, for instance in Turkish or Russian publications.") Please ping me if you reply. Thanks, Zazpot (talk) 12:52, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Zazpot You could apply a {{More citations needed|talk}} (see Template:More citations needed#How to use) and post detailed requirements on the article's talk page, but that's unlikely to bring a short-term solution that will settle the current AfD discussion. WikiProject Turkey has already been notified by means of deletion sorting, but a post on its talk page may help. As a last resort there are over a thousand editors who claim some knowledge of Turkish, but there is only any point contacting currently active ones among these: Bhunacat10 (talk), 17:13, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, Bhunacat10! A pity that the sort of template I had in mind does not yet exist. (I know, I should probably create it...) Your alternative suggestions were helpful and welcome. Thanks again, Zazpot (talk) 21:34, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

data management system for research project

Dear Wikipedia team, We are about to start recording hundreds of stories that we need to compile to eventually create a fascinating and an important series of books. Gathering, organizing and connecting all the relevant information is quite a complicated research project. Hence, we're looking for the most suitable IT solution for the information data management (filing system, data tagging, find queries, etc.).

We would be so grateful for connecting us with one of your contributors that you consider an expert on such a subject? Any hints and/or recommendations are more than welcome. Great thanks in advance.

Best, Emilia Szymanska — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.146.161.14 (talk) 13:22, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

This seems like something for the GLAM Project (Galleries, Libraries, Archives, Museums) but I'm completely out of my depth, so I'm not sure where to begin. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:49, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Also asked, and answered, at the Teahouse. It's outside our field and Wikipedia is not the place to be posting requests of this nature, in my view. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:00, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Dear Emilia,

I encourage you to:

• publish the recordings under a license such as CC BY-SA 3.0, such that they become part of the commons; and
• store metadata about your items in Wikidata. You may find the QuickStatements tool helpful for this.

Wishing you the best of luck with your project, Zazpot (talk) 21:31, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Default settings for row height in Wikitables

Where can I find the default setting for Wikitables? Specifically, what is the default row height? What is the height of a row in a Wikitable if that height is not changed or adjusted or edited? And, where can I find this -- and similar -- information? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 15:19, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

All the info about wikitables is here. GN-z11 ^{☎ ★} 15:52, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. I read the whole page. I did not see that info. Did I miss it? Please let me know. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 16:04, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Joseph A. Spadaro, the default row height, is auto. The height needed to fit the content. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 16:13, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

@TheDJ: Thanks. I am trying to find out a number or a measurement of that actual default. Namely, what is the actual height of a row, if you have only one line of text needed to fit in that row? For example, look at the two wikitables in this section of this article: List of Presidents of the United States#Subsequent public office. What would be the height of each of those rows in both tables? (Ignoring the "Martin Van Buren" and the "Andrew Johnson" row entries in the second table, since they both seem to have double the "standard height".) What is that "standard height"? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 16:57, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Joseph A. Spadaro, again, auto. There is no fixed number nor should you ever need one. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 18:10, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

We can say that the default padding in wikitable cells is 0.2em at top and bottom, and 0.4em at left and right: style="padding: 0.2em 0.4em;". See em (typography) for the unit. Below is a wikitable with a default row and some other paddings. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:31, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

padding not specified

padding: 0.2em

padding: 0em

padding: 0.5em

padding: 0em; line-height: 1

@PrimeHunter: Thanks. So, the "padding" refers only to the "blank white space" (or "margin") between the actual text itself and the four "sides" of the box (left, or right, or top, or bottom). Is that correct? So, the default height of the row would be 0.2 em plus 0.2 em plus the height of the text itself. Correct? Do we know the default size or height of the text? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 21:43, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

padding: 0.2em 0.4em is specific to wikitables. The row with padding 0em shows where the padding starts. Wikitable cells usually have text lines and the total blank space around the text will be affected by an inherited line-height (assuming the table doesn't specify its own). The default Vector skin has line-height: 1.6. MonoBook has 1.5. These are for text in general and not just tables. I added a row with padding: 0em; line-height: 1 to show the combined effect of padding and line-height in other rows. Cells can also contain other things like images. A table row is as high as needed to display the contents of the highest cell, plus the default 0.2em padding at top and bottom. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:33, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, all! Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 18:16, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

I did some experimentation. The default row height is 3.2 em. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 21:42, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Concerning the publication of a translation

Good afternoon,

I am writing to you today concerning a translation for a Wikipedia page. See link - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Indulis_B%C4%93rzi%C5%86%C5%A1 The question is as follows - how long is the review period until the translation will be published?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by EdgarsPoga (talk • contribs) 15:39, 27 February 2019 (UTC) 

Hello, EdgarsPoga and welcome to the Teahouse. The draft Draft:Indulis Bērziņš will not be reviewed until somebody submits it for review. It was originally created with an AFC header, including a "submit" button, but Rbambals removed that in the first edit they made after creating the draft. You can submit it for review by pasting {{subst:submit}} at the top.

However, I advise you not to do that yet, as I am sure it will not be accepted, because it lacks independent reliable sources. You should remove every single citation of Wikipedia, in any language - Wikipedia is not a reliable source, and cannot be used in citations (see CIRCULAR). They should probably all be converted to Wikilinks. As far as I can see, there is not a single source which is independent and reliable: apart from the Wikipedia references, they are all primary sources. English Wikipedia requires that every article demonstrate that the subject meets its criteria of notability, by reference to sources where people who have no connection to the subject have chosen to write about the subject, and been published in a place with a reputation for editorial control and fact-checking. --ColinFine (talk) 16:41, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Faith Lutheran Middle School & High School page edits

Good morning,

As the CEO of this school, I try to keep the facts updated on our page. Someone has deleted much of what we had up there, and I would like to understand why and what I need to do to get those facts back up there.

Thanks for any help you can provide.

Steve Buuck CEO — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbuuck (talk • contribs) 16:32, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

@Sbuuck: Before you proceed, you must review and comply with the conflict of interest policy and the paid editing policy. Regarding your edits, the edit summaries attached to the edits that removed your edits indicate that the information was not sourced to independent reliable sources and was promotional. As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia is not interested in what an article subject wants to say about itself, only in what third party, independent sources state about it. If there are errors in the article, we want to know what they are, but as the CEO of the school you should not directly edit the article. Instead, you may make formal edit requests on the article talk page detailing any changes you feel are needed. 331dot (talk) 16:37, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Where are the internal emails located

I submitted an email or message internally to a wikiedia monitoring committee, and Im assuming somewhere i should see a sort of sent mail feature but I cannot find it. I also clicked on the option to send me a copy of email but havent received one either. Where do I go to check current correspondences.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Acmartino (talk • contribs) 17:18, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

You could check your email's spam/junk folder. Lourdes 18:09, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Consultation about operation of talk pages

A few days ago a Wikipedia banner popped up, inviting comments about the operation of talk pages. The banner has now gone away, and I didn't make a note of the link. Does anyone recall this and have a link that they can direct me to? 86.190.213.250 (talk) 19:00, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

You'll find it mentioned at Help talk:Talk pages and Wikipedia talk:Help desk and elsewhere. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:10, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.190.213.250 (talk) 21:01, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

The VIllage of Tilton, Illinois

I work for the Village of Tilton and we recently had someone unauthorized by us make negative edits to our page. How can we prevent this from happening in the future? Is there a way to lock the page so only our employees or authorized personnel can make the edits? If someone can get back to me, that would be great.

Thank you.

Tiffany Jones, Treasurer Village of Tilton 1001 Tilton Road Tilton, IL 61833 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tiffymijosam (talk • contribs) 19:51, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

@Tiffymijosam: No, that is actually the opposite of what is needed. Anyone affiliated with your village should not edit the page. Read WP:COI. This is an encyclopedia, the article about your village does not belong to you. If the material added is incorrect, or there are other changes you want done, make a request on the article's talk page and tag it with {{Edit request}} RudolfRed (talk) 20:04, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

I have deleted the sections you refer to as not only were they completely unreferenced but lists of people in articles should comply with WP:LISTPEOPLE.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:19, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Personal enquiry (out of scope for this page)

I am introducing myself as Rachel Elizabeth Haynes(Maiden/Cota) I am Pomo & have been waiting to be recognized by the Mishewal-Wappo Tribe. There has been no answers why we are not recognized. Funny that this is because everyone in the River Rock Casino Tribe is my relatives. The Time River Rock Casino was one week to get to Guerneville, CA. It wasn't enough. I had no money to get there and they would not give me an extention.

I have been living in San Francisco, California since I turned 18 years old. I am now 62. I have went through life with nothing unless I worked for it. I, & as you agree our Ancestors have been through torment, trials and tribulations but we as a Proud Ethnicity, we came out ahead. Although I as a woman of color have had it hard to adjust moving from state to state, being the new kid in school, it was not easy. When I turned of age(18), I moved to San Francisco from Santa Rosa & used the skills that I had learned in High School & found myself being in jobs where I didn't have to answer to no one until the end of the day, that was fine with me because I knew that I had everything that they wanted me to in order & no mistakes, just as they wanted.

I am writing to you to find out if I can join tribe because I have not received any monies from Mishewal-Wappo nor River Rock Casino. I am hoping to hear some good news from you that I can come on the Band Wagon. My mothers maiden name is Linda Luna, My Grandfather was Pedro Luna & My Great Grandmothers name was Liza Trippo.

I look forward to hearing from you with good news. If you need any more information you can leave the message her — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.102.74.238 (talk) 21:41, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Please note the message at the top of this page: "This page is only for questions about how to use or edit Wikipedia. For other types of questions, use the search box or the Reference desk." Martin of Sheffield (talk) 21:47, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Old Mammoth Film Festival Information

The information found on this Wikipedia page for "Mammoth Film Festival" relates to the Mammoth Film Festival that ran from 2007 to 2010. The Mammoth Film Festival name has since been bought buy owner, Tanner Beard, and had its first and second year in 2018 & 2019. The information added by user: Jessica Stillwagon, is the most current information concerning Mammoth Film Festival.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jessicastillwagon (talk • contribs) 22:46, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi Jessicastillwagon and welcome to the help desk. A few things are happening here. Firstly, if you look in the edit history of Mammoth Film Festival, you can see that the reason your edits were reverted were that they violated our copyright policy. If you own the rights to the content on this page (where you are seemingly copying from) please follow Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. Secondly, if you are connected to this Festival personally or economically, you need to disclose it following WP:DISCLOSE. Rules regarding conflict of interest editing can be found at WP:COI and must be followed. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 23:02, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Category:Chicken dishes by country

Dear Wikipedia

I hope that I didn't cause any problem with my new container categories. If there are any problems, please let me know.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 23:23, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

No dear NeoBatfreak. Live free and edit well, Wikipedia 02:49, 28 February 2019 (UTC)