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Hungarian Spectrum

Hi, there is an ongoing debate about the Hungarian Spectrum. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Hungarian_Spectrum

If You are interested, please weigh in!

Bias in Puskás Akadémia FC article

In the Puskás Akadémia FC article there is a section entitled "Trivia" that leans on political propaganda and makes claims without citing sources. It would behoove us to remove this section for the sake of neutrality, as the author is clearly displaying bias with his comments.

Request for help in evaluating Hungarian Wikipedia article

Several years ago, finding that a relatively new user had attempted to write an article on a Hungarian academic of the last century who I am mildly interested in (he wrote what I considered a ground-breaking monograph on ancient Greek mathematics) but, quite rightly as it turned out, had the article speedy-deleted, I asked the relevant administrator to userfy the article to me and attempted to write the article myself. Unfortunately, I rapidly determined that I could then only find one accessible reliable source in English or any other language I could read, and postponed any attempt to try completing the article until I could find more sources. For information, the incomplete draft is at User:PWilkinson/Arpad Szabo.

A few days ago, I found out that Hungarian Wikipedia had an article on the academic concerned, at hu:Szabó Árpád (klasszika-filológus). As I have absolutely no reading ability in Hungarian, all I could do was to Google Translate the article, confirm that it was about the individual I am interested in, see that it seemed to contain quite a lot of information that would strongly suggest notability, and no inline citations but apparently a list of several sources, all fairly obviously in Hungarian.

I left things there, as I am not such a fool as to believe that I would be able to evaluate (or even make much sense of) Hungarian sources when armed only with Google Translate, but would be grateful if there is any Hungarian speaker here who could look at the article, at least briefly check its sources for likely reliability, and let me know whether it would be worth requesting a translation (or at least some kind of paraphrase) of the article which would meet English Wikipedia standards.

Thanks in advance for your help. PWilkinson (talk) 16:06, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

@PWilkinson: hi, I checked the article in huwiki, and I confirm that the sources are reliable. I don't know why the article was deleted, as the subject is clearly notable; he was a member of the Hungarian Academy of Science, received the Széchenyi Prize, founded the Hungarian Institute of the History of Science, taught at three very prestigious universities, translated Herodotus, Plato and Tacitus among others, overall had a pretty impressive career. I occasionally check the Hungary-related deletion requests but this article wasn't among them, otherwise I'm sure it would've been saved. Thank you for your interest in this topic, I brought the article to the attention of the Hungarian editors. – Alensha ^talk 19:18, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

@PWilkinson: I am willing to work on this, are you okay with me expanding your user subpage? and then you can move it to main namespace and preserve its history. Teemeah ^{편지 (letter)} 21:45, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

@Teemeah: Thanks, I'm absolutely okay with you expanding my user subpage - any further correspondence on this is probably best carried on on my user talk page. Meanwhile, at some point before it is moved into main namespace, the title should probably be amended to allow for the fact that there now seem to be at least two other people called Árpád Szabó with articles on English Wikipedia. In fact, if I had ever got back to work on my draft, I would probably have altered it to Árpád Szabó (classicist), and there is already a redlink from Imre Lakatos to this title (added by me a few years ago) - but if you think something else would be better, I'm probably willing to go along with it. By the way, a publicly available (and apparently authorised) copy of my one English-language source is at [1] - there is more to be got from it than I used, but as it specifically focuses on Szabó's relationship with Lakatos, other sources are obviously needed to detail the rest of Szabó's life and work. PWilkinson (talk) 13:09, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Kincsem

Over at the horse racing project, we identified Kincsem as a vital article because of her undefeated record and overall importance in racing history. With the help of a Hungarian speaking expert on the topic, we recently made a massive improvement that you might want to add to your project listing. And if anyone else wants to take a look and make suggestions, I would appreciate. I'd like to get this to GA status ideally. Jlvsclrk (talk) 23:01, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Need input

I am in a dispute with an editor. He refuses to consider Fidesz and Horthy as nationalists despite me doing extensive research on if they are or not. I have looked up dozens of sources and he still refuses to concede. What do others have to say?Fenetrejones (talk) 00:55, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

It is not really good if you try to mislead the community, despite everything has been explained which you ignore to understand, the discussion is not necessarily about if the subject would be a nationalist per se, but something else.(KIENGIR (talk) 19:18, 13 December 2020 (UTC))

No, you ignore to understand the concept. Nationalism is nationalism regardless of who does it and how it is established. Your "Traditional Hungarian Nationalism" is literally just nationalism in a different variant. Nationalism is not an exclusive far right thing. On top of that, I have literally cited that they are nationalists with multiple sources that are seen credible on wikipedia, so the only one who is "misleading" but more like cherry picking a definition is you.Fenetrejones (talk) 01:48, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

And you are trying to segregate a category that is not meant for one type of people so stop saying mislead.Fenetrejones (talk) 01:51, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

I don't ignore anything, but you still continue non-understanding. Yes a different variant which is attributed to the far-right, unlike simple nationalism. Hence, your last two sentences are straw man argumentation.(KIENGIR (talk) 02:24, 16 December 2020 (UTC))

Draft Article: Hugo Sonyi

Need help with this, just submitted a new draft for review

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Iynos/sandbox

Iynos (talk) 16:34, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Iynos (talk • contribs) 19:55, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Controversy on Szekely language

You can work on it to develop it. Magysze (talk) 18:08, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

"Controversy on Szekely language" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Controversy on Szekely language. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 February 16#Controversy on Szekely language until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. KIENGIR (talk) 00:28, 16 February 2021 (UTC)