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This page provides a forum for editors to suggest items for inclusion on In the news (ITN), a protected template on the Main Page, as well as the forum for discussion of candidates. This is not the page to report errors in the ITN section on the Main Page—please go to the appropriate section at WP:ERRORS. Archives of past nominations can be found here.

This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. Under each daily section header below is the transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day (with a light green header). Each day's portal page is followed by a subsection for suggestions and discussion.

A blurb is a one sentence summary of the news story. An alternate suggestion for the blurb is called an altblurb, and any more suggestions get labelled alt1, alt2, etc. A blurb needs at least one target article, highlighted in bold; reviewers check the quality of that article and whether it is updated, and whether reliable sources demonstrate the significance of the event. Other articles can also be linked. The Ongoing line is for regularly updated articles which cover events that remain in the news over a longer period of time. RD stands for the "recent deaths" line, and can include any living thing whose death was recently announced. In some cases, recent deaths may need additional explanation as provided by a blurb; this is decided by consensus.

David Howell in 2013
David Howell

How to nominate an item[edit]

In order to suggest a candidate:

  • Update an article to be linked to from the blurb to include the recent developments, or find an article that has already been updated.
  • Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated).
    • Do not add sections for new dates. These are automatically generated (at midnight UTC) by a bot; creating them manually breaks this process.
  • Nominate the blurb for ITN inclusion under the "Suggestions" subheading for the date, emboldening the link in the blurb to the updated article. Use a level 4 header (====) when doing so.
    • Preferably use the template {{ITN candidate}} to nominate the article related to the event in the news. Make sure that you include a reference from a verifiable, reliable secondary source. Press releases are not acceptable. The suggested blurb should be written in simple present tense.
    • Adding an explanation why the event should be posted greatly increases the odds of posting.
  • Please consider alerting editors to the nomination by adding the template {{ITN note}} to the corresponding article's talk page.

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There are criteria which guide the decision on whether or not to put a particular item on In the news, based largely on the extensiveness of the updated content and the perceived significance of the recent developments. These are listed at WP:ITN.

Submissions that do not follow the guidelines at Wikipedia:In the news will not be placed onto the live template.

Headers[edit]

  • Items that have been posted or pulled from the main page are generally marked with (Posted) or (Pulled) in the item's subject so it is clear they are no longer active.
  • Items can also be marked as (Ready) when the article is both updated and there seems to be a consensus to post. The posting admin, however, should always judge the update and the consensus to post themselves. If you find an entry that you don't feel is ready to post is marked (Ready), you should remove the mark in the header.

Voicing an opinion on an item[edit]

  • Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated.

Please do not...[edit]

  1. add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are usually not helpful. Instead, explain the reasons why you think the item meets or does not meet the ITN inclusion criteria so a consensus can be reached.
  2. oppose an item solely because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is generally unproductive.
  3. accuse other editors of supporting, opposing or nominating due to a personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). Conflicts of interest are not handled at ITN.
  4. comment on a story without first reading the relevant article(s).
  5. oppose a recurring item here because you disagree with the recurring items criteria. The criteria can be discussed at the relevant talk page.

Please be encouraged to...[edit]

  1. pick an older item to review near the bottom of this page, before the eligibility runs out and the item scrolls off the page and gets abandoned in the archive, unused and forgotten.
  2. review an item even if it has already been reviewed by another user. Maybe the previous reviewer has missed a problem, or an identified problem has now been fixed. Piling on the list of "support!" votes may also help administrators identify items that are ready for promotion to the ITN template on MainPage.
  3. point out problematic areas in the nominated article and, if appropriate, suggest how to fix them. If you know exactly what to do, by all means, go ahead and fix it as you see fit.
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August 12[edit]

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Politics and elections


2022 Oder environmental disaster[edit]

Article: 2022 Oder environmental disaster (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​A mass die-off of fish, beavers and other wildlife occurs in the Oder river in Poland, likely due to mercury poisoning, causing a health and environmental crisis in large parts of the country. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​A mass die-off of wildlife in the Oder river causes a health and environmental crisis in large parts of Poland.
News source(s): Sky News, Reuters, ABC, Yahoo!, Planeta, Onet, TVN24
Credits:

Nominator's comments: A whole ecosystem has been wiped out along half the country and likely affect Germany too. They found several tons of dead wildlife in the river which stretches 840km. Protests among the local population already. Needs article. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:23, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Comment Do you have a main article for this event? I don't think we can post it if there isn't a base article for it & I don't think the section in the Oder article is long enough to warrant a post XxLuckyCxX (talk) 21:41, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@XxLuckyCxX: I couldn't find one, was hoping this nomination would help. If there isn't one then I can create 2022 Oder environmental disaster. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:44, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I see some updating at Oder#Contamination_in_2022. Let's call this article the nominated article for now. --PFHLai (talk) 22:14, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Update Created separate article, as the section was only 2 sentences long, and this could easily be a standalone article. Nowhere near perfect or even ready to post, but it's a start; any help very welcome! Abcmaxx (talk) 22:42, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support in principle Article def. needs work like OP stated but looks fine currently XxLuckyCxX (talk) 23:06, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support in principle - This is a developing story, with contradictory information from different sides of the border, but it looks pretty significant. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:09, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support in principle - Some sources are suggesting this may be the permanent destruction of the river's ecosystem, which would make this event notable. With improvements to the article, especially regarding sources, I support the addition of this item to the current events section, in principle. StrongPencil (talk) 01:17, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support in principle - As this is causing a major environmental and health disaster in Poland, and seems to be triggering a major political crisis, this is more than significant enough to be posted. However, the article needs some more cleanupno pun intended before it can be posted. Mount Patagonia (talk) 03:13, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment. If we go ahead with this posting, I would recommend going with ALTBLURB (ALT1) instead of the original blurb. Do not want to posit a "likely" cause unless it is definitively stated. Ktin (talk) 03:47, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

2022 Cetinje shooting[edit]

Article: 2022 Cetinje shooting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: A mass shooting after a family conflict in Cetinje, Montenegro, leaves 11 people dead and 6 others injured. (Post)
News source(s): WP, NDTV, The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Very rare mass shooting in a small European country; reported worldwide. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:12, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Weak oppose Yes, few mass shootings happen there, but this is a result of a domestic dispute and not a terrorism or similar operation. --Masem (t) 21:37, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I may be wrong, but I think this may be the country's worst shooting ever (granted independent not that long, and small population, but still) Abcmaxx (talk) 21:42, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Also its not the motive that's the notable part, it is the rarity, location and scale of the tragedy surely. I am unconvinced this would be more notable if 11 people died because the perpetrator was a terrorist.Abcmaxx (talk) 22:01, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support this is possibly the worst mass shooting in Montenegro ever, and given we routinely post mass shootings from other parts of the world where they are a daily occurrence, it seems relevant to give this as some kind of global context. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:16, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support The worst mass shooting in the area ever (not only in country’s history) is something that merits inclusion. I really don’t understand the hangers-on to the notion that domestic incidents are inferior to terrorist attacks. We should be more pragmatic and look at the consequences in first place.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:37, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support - widely covered in major sources around the world, seems like an obvious reason to support. nableezy - 22:48, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Mass shootings in Montenegro are not usual. Being the worst ever in this country/area makes it ITNR-worthy without any doubt. _-_Alsor (talk) 22:50, 12 August 2022 (UTC)pReply[reply]
  • Support and endorse Kiril Simeonovski's criticism of the apparent hierarchy being applied by other users. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:10, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Well, we generally post mass shootings which have left 11 people dead in the US. Seems reasonable to post this one. Although oddly, it's not showing up on the BBC's front page, or Reuters. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 00:40, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Salman Rushdie stabbing[edit]

Article: Stabbing of Salman Rushdie (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Booker Prize-winning author Sir Salman Rushdie, sentenced to death for blasphemy by an Iranian fatwa in 1989, is stabbed in the neck in Chautauqua, New York. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Salman Rushdie, author of the 1988 imaginary tale The Satanic Verses, widely decried by Islamicists, is stabbed in the neck in Chautauqua, N.Y. (U.S.A.)
News source(s): New York Times (paywalled), AP, BBC, Reuters, AlJazeera
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: To me this is one of the most important news items of the decade,comparable to the 1989 Iranian fatwa sentencing him to death for blasphemy. (Redacted) Tlhslobus (talk) 20:07, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support as nom.Tlhslobus (talk) 20:07, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

That isn't necessary; your support is already assumed. -- Pawnkingthree (talk) 20:20, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks, though in my case it shouldn't be assumed, if only because I once nominated an item without being sure whether I was in favour of posting, as distinct from being in favour of having a discussion on whether it should be posted (which logically is all that a nomination really implies). Tlhslobus (talk) 20:33, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment There is a stub article, Stabbing of Salman Rushdie, but that currently gives less information than Salman_Rushdie#Chautauqua_attack_(2022). -- Pawnkingthree (talk) 20:20, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose assuming he survives the operations post-attack (which it sounds like he will). If he dies from it, a blurb may be appropriate as that's 100% an unusual death, but as an attack that he survives, it's a minor footnote. --Masem (t) 20:24, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose It's not even one of the most important stories of the week, let alone the decade (unless he dies, of course). Oh, and your nom statement is offensive to Muslims, even if the "woke" part of it makes it laughable. Black Kite (talk) 20:33, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    A prize-winning novelist who has had a foreign government calling for his death for years, is stabbed repeatedly and is now on a ventilator, has a damaged liver and may lose an eye. Not all those details were known when you wrote the above but still, "not even one of the important stories of the week" seems way off to me. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:55, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose (unless of course the poor fellow dies). While it's certainly dramatic, this isn't going to be more than a brief footnote even in his own biography. And yes, the nomination is ludicrously partisan and filled with religious animus. We can and should do better, whatever our feelings on the subjects of our nominations and !votes. ETA: It seems his injuries are much more serious than I had thought. Still opposing posting it if he survives, but my thoughts are with him and his family. Tlhslobus, please consider retracting your needlessly inflammatory postscript to your nomination. GenevieveDEon (talk) 20:39, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Tentative Support - depending on how serious the wounding is; but after several hours of surgery, it looks bad. Not sure the logic that this assassination attempt would be a footnote, for a such a traumatic attack on a very prominent author; this goes well beyond book-burnings. Nfitz (talk) 21:19, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment Amended slightly given there is an article on this specific event Abcmaxx (talk) 21:39, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support per Nfitz XxLuckyCxX (talk) 21:42, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Weak support: would we post (hypothetically) an assassination attempt of Trump, Bin Laden (yes I know he is deceased), Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, Cristiano Ronaldo, a current head of state, the current Pope, the previous Pope? I think we might do (God forbid) in all those cases. Rushdie is a worldwide figure and had a sizable part of the global population trying to kill him for a long time, that in itself is unprecedented. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:56, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Every single person you noted is more significant. GreatCaesarsGhost 22:34, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • This isnt even the most important story in NY today (like not a single NY paper/TV station outside of upstate NY itself is leading with this afaict). But Im a woke moslem (who somehow doesnt think Salman Rushdie should die so I guess Im pretty terrible at being both) so discount this plz. If he dies definitely merits a blurb even if he died naturally in his sleep, which one hopes he will do many many years from now. nableezy - 22:01, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It definitely is in the UK though, throughout all the media.Abcmaxx (talk) 22:03, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Id forgotten we were on Her Majesty's sovereign property at ITN, silly me. nableezy - 22:45, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support blurb if Rushdie dies. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:17, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Wait – Widely covered; developing. – Sca (talk) 22:25, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Agree this meets significance for a blurb if he dies. GreatCaesarsGhost 22:34, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose for now per GCG and above. _-_Alsor (talk) 23:46, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment Are people really not going to comment on the needlessly inflammatory rhetoric the nominator used? If someone submitted a nomination with most of their submission comment focusing on the strawmen of supposedly "many" Jewish, black, or even atheistic users opposing or supporting one action and how it's emblematic of everything wrong with society, people would rightfully condemn it as biased or WP:SOAP. But for some reason, most people are just shrugging their shoulders here and ignoring this. This should be considered unacceptable discourse, even if the nomination itself is sound. 2600:8802:2718:6700:F556:1D60:9C0C:DAFF (talk) 00:30, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • An Islamicist is a scholar of Islam. See Islamicist. You mean Islamists, though even that I dont think is accurate for widely decried. Maybe Islamic fundamentalists? nableezy - 01:57, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose If he dies (G** forbid) I would switch to a support. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:19, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support I don't see what the issue here is with posting this. The event is clearly in mainstream news and significant in that a controversy running for well over thirty-years now has come to a head with extremists actually succeeding in finally attacking the author. Either the author's or the controversy's article can be linked, both of which appear to be fleshed out (unless the stub improves). Gotitbro (talk) 03:10, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Anne Heche[edit]

Article: Anne Heche (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, Rolling Stone
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Just confirmed --Vacant0 (talk) 17:53, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Compulsory article needs updating and minor clean-up comment, but it has had some work over the last week so shouldn't take long. Kingsif (talk) 18:03, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    We're still adding sources. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:10, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support: Article looks good and more work is being done to it. Very sad news. Very talented actress. Rest in peace. --SitcomyFan (talk) 18:34, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • It appears that this nomination is premature. UK sources reported her death because there, brain death = legal death. But that's not the case in the US. It seems that she's still being kept alive for organ donation. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:54, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Reports are saying brain death = death in California so she meets the medicolegal definition of dead. That said, I say we wait until either a death certificate is produced, a medical examiner/coroner reports her death, or she's taken off "life support". EvergreenFir (talk) 18:59, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @Muboshgu: Am I reading the reports wrong? Her friends and family have confirmed death, the Guardian (very careful with their sources as a newspaper) followed up with California law (not British), and said life support was removed. Is it perhaps people who have done their own OR at the talk page and are asserting that they don't think brain death should be considered dead who have made you reconsider this? Kingsif (talk) 19:02, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Honestly, I'm confused. The Guardian says On Friday afternoon TMZ had reported Heche was “brain dead”, which under California law is the definition of death. It was announced earlier in the day Heche would be taken off of life support. I see no indication that she has been taken off of life support. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:14, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Yes, so, brain dead, body alive. Does that meet ITN RD requirements or do we wait for her to be taken off of life support? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ – Muboshgu (talk) 19:18, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I mean, the family seem to be saying dead, California would agree, but it can't hurt to wait. I'd contribute at the talk page if it wasn't ridiculous at this point, kudos to EvergreenFir for trying to control all those, er, discussions. FWIW, I also imagine the time difference may be confusing the Guardian writer based on that "earlier in the day" part. Guess you have time to source her awards anyway. Kingsif (talk) 19:24, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support - A tragic case. GenevieveDEon (talk) 19:19, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Confirmed that she is now dead after being taken off life support (Rolling Stone) via her agents. --Masem (t) 20:25, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment the article is not yet ready to post, so the semantic and distasteful debate above and elsewhere is beside the point. This will resolve itself shortly. GreatCaesarsGhost 20:30, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support per above, tragic news XxLuckyCxX (talk) 21:39, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose of course. Awards section is completely unreferenced. Shocked to see so many others supporting posting this BLP with clear violations. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 00:04, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    As with Dame Olivia, most of these editors are new to ITN and I will AGF are not familiar with our protocols. I trust our admins will maintain their standard discretion. GreatCaesarsGhost 01:22, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Not Ready for the usual reason. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:19, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

August 11[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections


RD: Jean-Jacques Sempé[edit]

Article: Jean-Jacques Sempé (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Perhaps the most prominent French drawing artist (Le Petit Nicolas, covers of The New Yorker), recognizable without seeing the signature. Article was decent, but surprisingly short for such a giant. The works are all in his French National Library entry, which could easily be added as a ref if needed. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:39, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Comment Added source for nomination. I just did some editing on the page and it looks like just about everything except the bibliography section has a source.--Sunshineisles2 (talk) 16:02, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    As just above: the bibliography is sourced to the French National Library, which is linked in authority control. Do we have to duplicate it, that was the question? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:49, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Paul Green[edit]

Article: Paul Green (rugby league) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): france24 and many others
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Rugby League player and coach from Queensland, Australia. Died unexpectedly at the age of 49. HiLo48 (talk) 04:31, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Quite a few unsourced claims. Happy to support if these are fixed. Anarchyte (talk) 05:35, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Closed) Bill Russell's number retired[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: Bill Russell (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Bill Russell's number is retired across all of the teams of the NBA. (Post)
News source(s): https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34384678/bill-russell-no-6-retired-nba-following-legend-death-last-month
Credits:
Nominator's comments: This is the first time that happened in the NBA ever, and Bill Russell is a 11 time NBA champion. Sportsfangnome (talk) 05:39, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

August 10[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

  • A house explodes in Evansville, Indiana, United States, killing at least three people, one injured and damaging at least 39 nearby houses. (CNN)

Law and crime

Politics and elections


(Posted) RD: Lydia de Vega[edit]

Article: Lydia de Vega (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (Rappler)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: She was "considered Asia's fastest woman in the 1980s." I already missing citations in this article. KTerPalmers (talk) 04:41, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

James Marape elected Papuan PM[edit]

Article: 2022 Papua New Guinean general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: James Marape is reelected unopposed as Prime Minister by the parliament of Papua New Guinea after his party Pangu Pati won the general election that took place in July. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Government now formed and head of state (prime minister) chosen. Abcmaxx (talk) 22:44, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Oppose There's no change in top executive (head of government this time) and the general election part's gone stale. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:29, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    The first point is correct (the resign/reelection distinction is immaterial). It's difficult to say what the date of the general election results is when those results roll in over time. Given the party in the plurality currently has just 31% of seats and 16% are outstanding, I would say we still don't have full results. GreatCaesarsGhost 14:11, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I'd figured the main results of an election are votes cast. But yeah, I suppose votes counted also naturally follow. I'll leave it to political scientists and students of democracy to figure whether the key moment in counting is the grand total or the point when a winner is safe to project. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:35, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Results have been clarified just now, i.e., not stale; the selection of PMs after elections is ITNR. Gotitbro (talk) 07:20, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Also, noting that re-elected is not correct for the blurb as Marape became the PM after the last one resigned. Besides that the article looks good to me. Gotitbro (talk) 07:24, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support - article seems fine. As for "reelected," isn't the PM elected by the Papuan Parliament anyway? Sheila1988 (talk) 12:55, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment on quality There is a lack of prose in the preliminary results and the "Aftermath" section is too short. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:27, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    And in case James Marape is the/a target article here, its "Political career" section ends in 2019. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:54, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    True. Nor does it delve into his career as prime minister and as minister beyond the vote of confidence. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:16, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support once the article is properly updated. Changes of heads of government are ITN/R. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:43, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support once aftermath and campaign are updated, it has my full support, as it is ITN/R. echidnaLives (talk) 23:20, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support,Results are out and this is an ITN event. Alex-h (talk) 16:37, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Nominator comment I copied the blurb from the news portal, so if it's wrong or inaccurate I suggest the portal entry be amended too. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:04, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Raymond Briggs[edit]

Article: Raymond Briggs (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Not in bad condition, but there are a few unsupported statements in there that need citations. Although I'd love to see a blurb on him, I don't think he merits it, objectively speaking. 2A00:23C7:2B86:9801:11F2:723B:CAC4:ABD9 (talk) 08:24, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I've been through adding refs this morning and I think it's OK (although another set of eyes doing a quick check to see I've not missed anything. I won't mark it as 'ready', but I think it probably is. 2A00:23C7:2B86:9801:11F2:723B:CAC4:ABD9 (talk) 09:12, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

August 9[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations

Politics and elections

Science and technology

Sports


(Posted) RD: Miles Warren[edit]

Article: Miles Warren (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Te Kāhui Whaihanga New Zealand Institute of Architects
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article has a couple of sections that need references but I see that a fellow architect has already started updating the article so it shouldn't be too far off. Schwede66 03:45, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Article should be good to go now. Schwede66 05:09, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Rudi Koertzen[edit]

Article: Rudi Koertzen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN Cricinfo
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Tragic news coming in from South Africa. Article requires some work on sourcing. I will get to it if no one gets to it before me. RIP. Ktin (talk) 20:56, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Mario Fiorentini[edit]

Article: Mario Fiorentini (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The last and most decorated Italian resistance fighter in WWII. May need some cleanup. I translated the article from it.wiki. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:14, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@BeanieFan11: I've added some cn tags, I think it will be easy to fix them. Otherwise the article looks good. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:09, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Alsoriano97: I think I've addressed all of the cn tags. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:43, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
yes, you have. Thanks! _-_Alsor (talk) 16:46, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) 44th Chess Olympiad[edit]

Article: 44th Chess Olympiad (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​The 44th Chess Olympiad concludes with Uzbekistan winning the open event and Ukraine winning the women's event. (Post)
News source(s): ChessBase, Deutsche Welle
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: What a result! Davey2116 (talk) 14:44, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support. What a tournament indeed! That the teams were that close to each other is agonizing. Congrats to the winning teams. Nice work on the article. Ktin (talk) 15:12, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support I've completed the updates to all three articles. It should be good to go now.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 16:19, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment – Hadn't yet reached mainstream RS media as of 16:30. – Sca (talk) 16:31, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support, This is an event that should come in ITN and the article is fine. Alex-h (talk) 16:55, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support. ITNR event, results and prose summary are present in the article, which is suitably referenced. I'm working my way through it doing a thorough copyedit, but it's good enough to post now. Modest Genius talk 17:39, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support per above. --Vacant0 (talk) 18:48, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support good to go. _-_Alsor (talk) 18:52, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 00:57, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment It's obvious Wikipedia is posting a picture of a female player for SJW reasons. By any normal logic, it would make sense to post a player among the open winners (Uzbekistan), since that was the main tournament. 2001:569:57B2:4D00:4165:DC30:DD71:D119 (talk) 23:37, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    A pic of a player from Uzbekistan was up there for 23 hours already. --PFHLai (talk) 00:52, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Can you offer suggestions on how to rotate the pictures, when we have a picture of only one of the men and all five of the women?—Bagumba (talk) 05:26, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    It's fine to use all the images we have available, and refreshing to see a rotation. If there's a need to mix up the gender balance, we also have File:David Howell 2013.jpg, who won the top player award. Modest Genius talk 11:54, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Um, David Howell won the gold medal for board 3. The 'top player' is generally considered to be the person who wins the gold medal on board 1. That was Gukesh D, the board 1 for the India 2 team that came third (getting the team bronze medals). Carcharoth (talk) 15:56, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    David Howell has been up for awhile now. If we are going to feature the top individual player in the open section, can we also feature the top individual player in the women's section? That is either Oliwia Kiołbasa (File:2021-Oliwia-Kiolbasa.JPG), who was the top player among everyone, or Pia Cramling (File:Pia-Cramling.jpg), who was the top player on Board 1 as Carcharoth suggested. I suggest the wording "individual gold medallist" (which would apply in either case) instead of "best individual open player" to avoid the ambiguity that Carcharoth raised. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 22:32, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Not sure which one is correct, but the infobox lists the "best player" as Howell (men) and Kiołbasa (women). Any blurb should be consistent with the infobox and prose. —Bagumba (talk) 01:26, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    echoing Modest Genius's comment, i wanted to thank Stephen for rotating the pictures featured. i also wanted to point out that Yoshlar ishlari agentligi appears to have uploaded pictures of the uzbekistani team taken during the tournament that are currently featured on uz wikipedia. in addition, there appear to be photos for ukrainian team members nataliya buksa and iulija osmak, but their articles have yet to be appropriately updated and i do not know if that is a requirement for their photos being featured on the main page. (wp:itnpict does not appear to consider it a requirement.) dying (talk) 01:54, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Lamont Dozier[edit]

Article: Lamont Dozier (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The usual discography citation issues need to be fixed; no other issues I can see within the article's body. rawmustard (talk) 12:38, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Comment There are also a few uncited sentences. I'll change my vote to support once this gets fixed. --Vacant0 (talk) 13:19, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Issey Miyake[edit]

Article: Issey Miyake (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Died on 5 August but only announced today.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:47, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Comment article needs some work. I've added some cn tags, many of the sources are archived (which doesn't mean that the article is not of quality per se, but perhaps more current web pages can be found and used) and the "Issey Miyake lines and brands" section needs sources. _-_Alsor (talk) 18:57, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Closed) Raid of Mar-a-Lago[edit]

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Article: Raid of Mar-a-Lago (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​In the United States, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) raids Mar-a-Lago, one of the homes of former President Donald Trump (Post)
News source(s): https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/08/us/politics/trump-fbi-mar-a-lago.html
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Unheard of in the United States. Therapyisgood (talk) 02:09, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Wait -- it is indeed unheard of, and I for one am celebrating. However, I believe that we should wait for an actual indictment. It probably won't be very long now. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 03:07, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Weak oppose — It's not a huge story, and certainly a U.S. focused one, but it could lead to something bigger. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 03:32, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • It's definitely a huge story here in the US, since this has never happened before. But agree, this isn't the thing to post ITN. --RockstoneSend me a message! 03:44, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I'm aware of how large of a story it is in the U.S.—I live here—but ITN is a global thing. Certain things from the U.S. do transcend ITN's usual disdain for U.S. centric news, such as the most recent blurb in ITN right now and the Uvalde shooting from months ago, but this is not one of them. It's part of a larger story for sure, but globally this has no impact on even someone from Canada. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 04:10, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Perhaps surprisingly, this is the Number 2 story on Australia's national broadcaster right now, behind unsurprising, saturation coverage of Olivia Newton-John's life and death. See here. And we see very little about Trump in the news these days. HiLo48 (talk) 05:52, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Interesting thought experiment -- if a former Canadian Prime Minister were having his house raided, would we blurb it? I'm assuming not. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 06:41, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We have no requirements for "global impact" at WP:ITN and a specific note above about opposing because a story only relates to a single country. How is it these arguments are able to persist? --LaserLegs (talk) 09:26, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose This is part of a possible larger story related to Trump, but this one event is not the type of news to feature on the front page. --Masem (t) 03:39, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Wait a few days until we know if there’s an imminent indictment or not. If there’s not, I’ll support as a raid on a former president’s residence is completely unprecedented in US politics, and certainly notable enough to overcome “America-centrism.” The Kip (talk) 04:20, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I don't think we're going to post anything short of an indictment of Trump. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:43, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose A very unusual event, but currently no evidence it will lead to anything more significant. If it does lead to anything, that event can instead be nominated for ITN. Lewis Hulbert (talk) 05:04, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Lewis Hulbert Just noting that this sort of thing is not done even with non-politicians unless the FBI/Department of Justice already has substantial evidence of a crime and knows what they will find when the warrant is executed. Twitter is full of lawyers saying they would advise clients who this happens to that charges are likely coming. 331dot (talk) 09:30, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose largely under the principle expressed by Muboshgu. This is part of a larger story. ITN consideration for any piece of this puzzle starts once this case is in court. This raid is just a highly-publicised fact-gathering mission. Not even sure there should be a published article on the raid yet - it's very possible nothing comes of it, and it would be more appropriate to publish such an article after more is known about said raid. DarkSide830 (talk) 05:51, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose until he is arrested/charged with a crime. This may be likely, but it must happen first. 331dot (talk) 09:28, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose article is at AfD and not overly notable.  Nixinova T  C   09:32, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    It's going to easily survive AFD --LaserLegs (talk) 09:35, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Maybe if Trump is charged with something. Steelkamp (talk) 09:34, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Weak Support the use of federal troops to attack a former leader is unheard of in Western democracies but perhaps unsurprising given that the Mueller Investigation was a years long multi-million dollar attack on Donald Trump that ultimately came up empty handed. --LaserLegs (talk) 09:35, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose per Steelkamp. Hype is nothing without substance. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:36, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support. What is going on here with Trump is far more significant than Watergate. Indictment of Trump is not all that relevant. Qite a few former presidents/prime ministers have been prosecuted and jailed, that can happen for relatively minor legal issues. But Trump has been allowed by the GOP to be a Nixon on steroids and we're only now finding out many of the details of Trump's presidency. Count Iblis (talk) 10:32, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
WP:BLP applies, even to Trump. 331dot (talk) 10:55, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • This is a huge story, but it does not make for encyclopedic content. The facts currently known are too minimal. GreatCaesarsGhost 11:14, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose a mere investigation. If Trump is arrested, charged or convicted of a crime, then we can reconsider. Police gathering evidence is not sufficient IMO. Compare to the recent Partygate investigation, which was nominated multiple times but never posted - even when Johnson was issued a fine. Modest Genius talk 11:24, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose a bit of a pile on but I agree, this is a part of a much bigger story. Post when Trump is arrested. Polyamorph (talk) 11:45, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Daren Gilbert[edit]

Article: Daren Gilbert (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New Orleans Saints
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Death first reported on August 8. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:05, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Herb Roedel[edit]

Article: Herb Roedel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): San Francisco Chronicle (via Legacy.com)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Died on July 25, first reported today (August 8). BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:07, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Bill Graham[edit]

Article: Bill Graham (Canadian politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Canadian politician, served in government and was interim Leader of the Opposition. Article is in fairly good shape, but likely needs some additional citations, as some sections are missing cites. Kaiser matias (talk) 00:25, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • The prose has 10+ {cn} tags. The Electoral history section is unsourced. The Honours section needs more footnotes. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 09:01, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Zofia Posmysz[edit]

Article: Zofia Posmysz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Independent, HuffPost
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Tractor Tyres (talk) 22:06, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Resistance fighter in World War II, Holocaust survivor, who wrote an audio play about her experiences in Auschwitz, which was turned into a play and an opera. The article, created by Edison and written mostly by Poeticbent and myself, seems in reasonable shape. I believe we should receive credit, but don't know where to put it. I would have nominated tomorrow, after consulting more obits. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:19, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Olivia Newton-John[edit]

Article: Olivia Newton-John (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP, BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Singer-songwriter & actress who has passed away due to breast cancer, perhaps best known for starring in the film adaptation of Grease. Please note there is no blurb for this nomination. I accidentally put RD/Blurb instead of just RD. XxLuckyCxX (talk) 19:25, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The source is a verified FB, but it's not been picked up by any news outlets (yet). EvergreenFir (talk) 19:32, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's starting to get around. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:34, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Parade is (so far) the highest quality source to report it. EvergreenFir (talk) 19:42, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
BBC reporting just now, so that should start the chain reaction for want of a better word XxLuckyCxX (talk) 19:44, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
See also Cosmopolitan, CNN and The NY Post XxLuckyCxX (talk) 19:46, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I was F5-ing BBC, so yes, that's solid for me. Article has some clean up needed though. EvergreenFir (talk) 19:47, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose blurb regardless of the discussion on the talk page, she really had only a few roles that made her significant, and the article failures to capture why she should be considered the top of her field. Articke is in poor quality (filmography etc needs refs) --Masem (t) 20:03, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Didn't mean to put it as a blurb, that is only there as a comment XxLuckyCxX (talk) 20:13, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose Blurb per Masem MyriadSims (talk) 20:11, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support Blurb She had a career of almost 60 years with many famous roles and awards, I think that is blurb worthy. -- Maykii (talk) 20:12, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Going by previous similar nominations, it isn't. Pawnkingthree (talk) 20:17, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose blurb She's more famous for her career than many other notable people. Do not confuse that with being so important or transformative that she deserves a death blurb. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:18, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment Added RS to nom.--Sunshineisles2 (talk) 20:19, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Not Ready for RD Significant gaps in referencing. Oppose Blurb A prominent figure in her profession to be sure but well below what we look for in a blurb. Note we did not blurb Kirk Douglas or Olivia de Havilland who were giants in the business. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:29, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    To be fair, "the business" here is more music than movie, where she clearly left most Hollywood legends in the dust. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:48, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support RD Looks good to me AdrianHObradors (talk) 23:16, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Blurb, Iconic — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:58B:4380:2540:0:0:0:40CC (talk) 01:17, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support RD, article is in good shape Polyamorph (talk) 06:38, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support blurb If that's what it takes to get the smirking terrorist of the front page. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 06:44, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    There are better, easier ways (including forced replacement by a grinning Annemiek van Vleuten). InedibleHulk (talk) 13:15, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    For the record, the smirking terrorist was naturally supplanted by a very somber Nodirbek Abdusattorov. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:32, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Who was swiftly uninstalled by Mariya Muzychuk, whose eyes betray a vague happiness the corners of her mouth dare not. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:45, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose blurb Yes, she's on the upper end of famous, but I wouldn't say she's transformative in her field. Not ready for RD as there are uncited paragraphs and a one sentence paragraph in the lead. Steelkamp (talk) 09:38, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose on quality, support RD with picture in theory when quality is improved. Haven't we done picture RDs before for this middle ground of popularity? -- a lad insane (channel two) 10:41, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support RD ... when ready. Oppose blurb per Masem, Muboshgu. – Sca (talk) 13:14, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Strong Support RD You would have to be completely out of your mind to not include this in the RD list. This is just like the pathetic bickering around Meat Loaf's death, which never ended up being listed. Meanwhile, completely forgettable baseball players of decades past get listed with no issues. 173.240.190.3 (talk) 15:31, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support 61.69.136.118 (talk) 14:01, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support RD - Article is of a good standard and certainly noteworthy. Mark E (talk) 15:58, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Too many missing citations. Please fix. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.94.214.43 (talk) 15:59, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Conditional support RD once the quality of the article is improved. Oppose blurb per Masem and Mubosghu. _-_Alsor (talk) 18:49, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support RD .... what really is the problem? SethWhales talk 21:57, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support RD For the most relevant aspects (early life, career summary, death) the page is perfectly reasonable and referenced to standard; it's not a nomination over being marked for quality and, compared to other recent deaths, it's ludicrous how this article is being delayed, as if the main stumbling block was a lack of citation for some one-off session in the late-80s, despite everything else on the page. -- Bacon Noodles (talkcontribsuploads) 22:27, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Same can be said about those opposing. But it's a bit vulgar to say so. Polyamorph (talk) 16:38, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
no, it's not vulgar. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:46, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Er, yes it is. Everyone here are volunteers. Polyamorph (talk) 16:54, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
So it's vulgar in the "common folk" sense. That doesn't make it "obscene" or "profane". Not precisely, anyway. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:07, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Vulgar as in distasteful, rude, obnoxious. Take your pick. Polyamorph (talk) 17:13, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Maybe it's my oafish upbringing, but I see bluntly frank, brutally honest or (perhaps inconveniently) true. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:58, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sure. Nothing wrong with thinking that. Just normally we don't blame others for not pulling their finger out here since we're all volunteers and especially when it is a case of pot, kettle, black. Polyamorph (talk) 18:45, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Orange-tagging the article and adding new cn tags. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:13, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support RD Never mind the 159 existing citations on this page, let's focus on the 28 missing ones and ignore the passing of this icon?? --Annihilannic (talk) 00:50, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    The icon was not passed. She was listed on Deaths in 2022. To get on RD, please fix up the glaring problems. Twenty-eight? That's too many to ignore. --PFHLai (talk) 00:58, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    And that's not counting where citations are needed on the three -ographies. Probably brings missing cites up to 50-75 range. Masem (t) 03:40, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support RD There is no excuse for her RD listing to take this long. Nobody cares if the article has a couple minor issues. Just add the link to the ITN box and we can be done with this insufferable "debate".24.80.7.130 (talk) 03:18, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support RD. Many of the "citation needed" tags seem to be for uncontentious issues, like her having seven hits in a row. BD2412 T 03:22, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Having seven hits in a row is exactly a place I would fully expect a citation to make sure that WP editors aren't doing their own fancy mathematics to support that. --Masem (t) 03:39, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      • The article lists the hits. BD2412 T 05:45, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
        But is not obvious that they were consecutive, even for a fan. —Bagumba (talk) 08:28, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support RD. I'm surprised this hasn't been posted yet (3 days so far). She will be given a state funeral yet a few minor issues on the article is blocking adding a link to the ITN box. This is ridiculous bureaucracy. ~ Ablaze (talk) 08:31, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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  • Stats Dame Olivia's article has had over 4 million readers so far this week and those are superstar numbers. For comparison, note that the 4 articles highlighted in our blurbs have only had a few thousand readers. Even the UEFA Women's Euro 2022 Final has only been averaging 1500 readers per day which is so low that it would look bad even at DYK. These numbers demonstrate that just about nobody is using the ITN blurbs to click through on our news selections. All this discussion therefore seems fruitless. And, looking at the actual top reads for yesterday, it's interesting to see hunger stone at #4. These provide a warning when the level is low: "Wenn du mich siehst, dann weine". A good analogy! Andrew🐉(talk) 09:08, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    We're not a newspaper, we care zero about viewer counts. We are looking for quality, not quantity, because we are posting a highlighted link on the main page, so it better represent the best we can do for an article. That past editors on ONJ's page have been sloppy about sourcing until now is not ITNs concern. Masem (t) 12:31, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    The point is that such gatekeeping is pointless because there is no fence. The huge flood of readers has already visited the article and moved on. Time is of the essence in such cases. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:34, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    If the purpose of ITN was "gatekeeping", I'd agree. However, the purpose of ITN is showcasing high-quality content, be it through OTD, ITN, DYK, or it being featured. If it's not high quality, it won't be linked from the main page. People can still find it if they wish. The system works. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:40, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    In fact, Andrew's numbers prove that readers found it. It's why ITN tries to avoid simple "popularity" as readers rarely have problems getting to those articles. We want to feature a better worldwide and topic-wide split of news that also represent quality WP work. Masem (t) 01:38, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    There is a boost is viewership from being posted as an RD, which is not to mean that readers won't go to the page if it is not posted. For example, Mo Ostin died on July 31 and was not posted until Aug 6, but still saw an increase of ~5000 views/day after the delay.—Bagumba (talk) 11:11, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support RD Just get it done already for God's sake! If she's not up by Monday then we shouldn't even post it at that point. MyriadSims (talk) 11:48, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment What you need to do is stop complaining because it's not published yet and start improving her article. Wikipedia is not a news portal, it's an encyclopedia, and the quality of the articles is fundamental. You can debate the rule that requires the quality of these to be included in MP, but this is certainly not the place. No matter how much you add other "Support RD", it will not be included as long as it remains orange-tagged and missing cn tags to be fixed. _-_Alsor (talk) 12:53, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    If you compare it to the standard of some other articles that get do posted it is actually in very good shape. ITN is not GA of FA review! The orange and cn tags were added (by you) since the nom. Polyamorph (talk) 15:52, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    yeah, but there are still more than 20 tags that need to be fixed. We're not going to make an exception for Olivia Newton-John and overlook them. And yes, I've added them...because there is unsourced content. What needs to be done. There's no debate. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:30, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment @Alsoriano97: I am making an attempt to go through and source the outstanding cn tags; hopefully it should be in better shape relatively soon. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 16:28, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    great! _-_Alsor (talk) 16:30, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment If every voter had taken care of three or four citations, this would have run two days ago. Thriley (talk) 03:29, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Roger E. Mosley[edit]

Article: Roger E. Mosley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News, WaPo, NYT
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Magnum P.I. actor, who passed away in a tragic car crash aged 83. Article source to news of his death. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:08, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Nominator comment: Needs additional 2-3 citations in career section, filmography needs completing and referencing. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:13, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Leandro Lo[edit]

Article: Leandro Lo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Assasinated Shot this morning, sucessful world Ju-Jitsu champion. Article source to news of his death. Given he was an all-time great in the sport needs much longer article at least regarding his careerAbcmaxx (talk) 10:18, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Wait the article right now is pretty bare bones, half of it is just his death. I'll say a bit more bio info is needed, then support, article looking much better now. AdrianHObradors (talk) 10:30, 8 August 2022 (UTC); edited on AdrianHObradors (talk) 08:42, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Wait until article is updated 88.230.3.245 (talk) 13:41, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Not Ready it is a stub at the moment, working on expanding it. Lewolka (talk) 12:16, 9 August 2022 (UTC); edited on Lewolka (talk) 10:39, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment I don't think "Assassinated" is quite the right verb here. Our own article says that's for "a head of state, head of government, politician, member of a royal family, or CEO", and I would even have my doubts about the final one in that list. HiLo48 (talk) 21:50, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Intentionally shot which would amount to murder although probably need to wait for the conclusion of the trial to assert. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:52, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

August 7[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Politics and elections


(Posted) RD: David McCullough[edit]

Article: David McCullough (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT (paywalled), PBS, AP, NPR, Reuters
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American historian. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 16:25, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Not Quite Ready Article is in relatively decent shape for a change. Just a few cites needed and the one section at the bottom needs a reference. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:24, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I found citations for the narration section; some of them were just episodes of shows already cited. There is one CN tag left for his audiobooks. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 22:59, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I added a citation for the audiobook statement; Let me know if you think that that citation will work as it is or if we should break it up into several citations. KConWiki (talk) 00:44, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Request: Can anyone with any concerns about this article's readiness please post comments about what they feel still needs work? Thanks to everyone for all they do for WP. KConWiki (talk) 04:29, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment – Quite widely covered. – Sca (talk) 13:21, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Looks good now. --Vacant0 (talk) 13:27, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support: This looks good as far as I can see. KConWiki (talk) 17:28, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support looks good to me. _-_Alsor (talk) 19:05, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 23:52, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Eike Christian Hirsch[edit]

Article: Eike Christian Hirsch (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hannoversche Allgemeine
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German journalist and author Grimes2 (talk) 13:14, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

August 6[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Politics and elections


RD: Tom Alberg[edit]

Article: Tom Alberg (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WSJ
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article needs good amount of work. Short fuse. Will give it a try later this evening unless someone wants to get to it before me. Ktin (talk) 17:00, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Boudjemaa Talai[edit]

Article: Boudjemaa Talai (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): La Patrie News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Algerian MP and government minister. Curbon7 (talk) 08:05, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Closed) RD/Blurb: Archie Battersbee case[edit]

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Article: Archie Battersbee case (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: 12-year-old Archie Battersbee dies when his life support is withdrawn following a protracted legal case in England (Post)
News source(s): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-62346354
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Significant legal case; UN involvement; significant press coverage in UK & overseas Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:58, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Stub, but notable. Grimes2 (talk) 14:02, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose blurb as unimportant. Oppose blurb or RD on quality grounds. In terms of a blurb, this is a human interest story hyped by British media, but objectively unimportant; lethal accidents of children and legal disputes about keeping comatose patients alive are relatively frequent. Even as a RD entry, the article is a mess and not ready for the main page. There is very little prose, all in the lead. The rest is WP:PROSELINE bullet points and a table of court decisions without context. Sandstein 14:42, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose in general, this doesn't appear to be a case with long-term repurcussions. But I will stress the Oppose on quality - an article that is basically a timeline rather than a discussion of the issues around this isn't going to be sufficient for main page (and the fact that hasn't been done here suggests that this doesnt have the impact suggested). --Masem (t) 14:41, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment To begin with, if it’s a stub it cannot be supported: the quality of the article is something fundamental for it to be included on the Main Page. And this one is far from being in good condition. The RS, moreover, do not consider it as a landmark decision, so it may seem that the impact and the notability of the case is rather mediatic than legal, juridical and medical. And it should be noted that the UN intervention is at the request of the family, not by the decision of the organization itself. I have my doubts that it is ITNR-worthy. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:44, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
An improved version is maybe candidate for RD. Grimes2 (talk) 14:48, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, sure. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:50, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose on notability. Can only find it as main story on British publications and tabloids and doesn't seem to have any major repercussions - nowhere on AP and CNN International, hidden on NYT World, not the top story on BBC Global, and so forth. DatGuyTalkContribs 14:57, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose blurb ... as lacking case-law significance. RD subject to quality/length standards. – Sca (talk) 14:58, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose, For lack of notability. Alex-h (talk) 15:57, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose on all fronts. Dreadful article. Barely notable for inclusion on Wikipedia as it is, honestly. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 17:07, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose I don't think this would work as a RD as there is little biographical information, for obvious reasons. As a blurb, the article would have to be completely re-written to replace the timeline with conventional prose. Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:17, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose. Interesting story, but not for ITN. I'd suggest DYK. --RockstoneSend me a message! 17:20, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support for RD. Appears to be getting significant coverage internationally, including an article in the New York Times: [1] Thriley (talk) 17:28, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose an isolated death. Polyamorph (talk) 17:30, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • It's clear that the consensus for now is against blurb. I change the nomination format. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:50, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Oppose RD as well, the child doesn't have an independent biography. Polyamorph (talk) 19:02, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    This is not necessarily a requirement in a case like this. The child would never have an independent bio but his death here can be well documented to be an RD. (But there needs to be improvements still on the article) Masem (t) 19:16, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Technically the boy died in May (according to the judiciary report). An independent article would mean this would pass the notability test for an RD automatically, I don't think that is the case here. The case is making the news but I don't think it should be ITN or RD. Polyamorph (talk) 19:26, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Blurb on notability and Oppose RD due to the article being about the case rather then the child who was the centre of it. This just isn't notable enough for a global encyclopaedia and most folks over here in the UK have bigger things to worry about, such as which Eton Psycho will be our next PM and the impending recession. --SinoDevonian (talk) 19:55, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Problem: RD requires a biographical Wikipedia article. However, the nominated article Archie Battersbee case is not a biography of the deceased a 12-year-old child. It does not qualify for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 20:21, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    That's not true. Having a standalone bio article is sufficient for RD posting, but RD postings are not limited to those with biographical articles - just that those without biographical articles should still be reviewed as a normal ITNC that is otherwise targetted for RD posting. (Eg: I am pretty sure we have had RDs of criminals that are well identified on the page about the crime they did but lack a standalone article) Masem (t) 20:24, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Examples: Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/May_2017#(Posted_as_RD)_Ian_Brady_dies_at_79, Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/January_2021#(Posted)_RD:_Siegfried_Fischbacher. Black Kite (talk) 20:40, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    These two examples meet the exception "Individuals who do not have their own article but who have significant coverage on an article about a group (e.g. one member of a musical group) are eligible for a recent deaths entry on a case-by-case basis." What group wikibio does Archie Battersbee belong to? -- PFHLai (talk) 20:48, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    The first sentence on Wikipedia:In the news/Recent deaths is "An individual human, animal or other biological organism that has recently died may have an entry in the recent deaths (RD) section if it has a biographical Wikipedia article ...". Please give us something to read about the subject's life. Right now, the Archie Battersbee case wikipage only has his DoB and his protracted death, nothing on the twelve years in between. Is there anything to write about? For RDs of criminals, at least there would be info on the crimes they committed, and maybe daring escapes, etc. -- PFHLai (talk) 20:44, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Yes, I agree that the "IAR" examples given above are still biographical articles, and this isn't. Good point. Black Kite (talk) 20:47, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    IMO, if there is a section in the nominated wikipage that gives the deceased a biographical sketch that is nicely written and fully referenced prose (not bullet-points!), it may be okay to bend the rules and include it on the RD line. -- PFHLai (talk) 21:01, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment Seems the [Charlie Gard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/July_2017#%5BPosted_to_RD%5D_RD:_Charlie_Gard case was posted to RD] but Alta Fixsler doesn't have an article. No comment on this nom, just some data points for y'all. Question? Do the UK courts routinely sentence children to death? --LaserLegs (talk) 00:15, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
...That's one hell of a misunderstanding of what happened. It's not sentencing someone to death if they're already dead... --RockstoneSend me a message! 00:21, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
LaserLegs, you're an American, right? This sounds alot like the Terri Schiavo case. Remember that? In neither case did the courts sentence anyone to death. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:43, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Schiavo's husband and legal guardian asked for the feeding tube to be removed in accordance with her wishes. In these cases, the children's primary caregivers - their parents - are being overruled by the courts and the children condemned to death. It's really quite abhorrent, really. Anyway I don't care if we post this or not, I just vaguely recalled a previous time UK courts ordered a child to die and shared the link to how it was handled that time. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:04, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
??? How is it being condemned to death? The children were not alive, their brains had stopped functioning. Crazy take. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 01:07, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Maybe read up on the case before commenting such absurd nonsense. The boy died in May from a catastrophic brain injury. The blood supply to his brain was cut off. His brain and other organs were necrotising.Polyamorph (talk) 06:44, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Laserlegs won't bother with the detail, he'll just see it as a chance to make specious claims against Brits. In the time it's taken me to write this sentence, there's a good chance another kid in Amurica has been shot to death. Pointless posturing. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:26, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I see. Thanks Polyamorph (talk) 19:40, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose It might be big in the UK as a human interest story, but it's not news. HiLo48 (talk) 02:31, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • It's overdone in the UK and far from news, nobody wants to hear about it in the slightest. Not a bio so no RD, I am honestly surprised there is an article that merits keeping since there hasn't even been a novel legal approach (let alone a precedent set). Just some parents struggling to accept their kid's death not shutting up about it, coinciding with silly season. Kingsif (talk) 14:36, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Weak Support RD The event is notable enough to have an article about his death, I feel that merits him appearing on RD. A biography section about the boy would be welcomed, but sadly I don't think there is much that can be said about the life of a 12 y.o. AdrianHObradors (talk) 12:51, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose No legal jurisprudential importance disclosed, and no biographical info either. Bumbubookworm (talk) 13:33, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Even having an article is baffling. Kingsif (talk) 14:36, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose due to a lack of importance. It's suited to DYK instead. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 16:23, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose while desperately sad, it's just been a protracted case with no benefit to anyone. As far as I know it's made little or no difference to UK law, to European law, to anything other than the tragedy of those personally involved. Wouldn't even meet RD criteria as Archie was sadly only know for his death. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:07, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment suggest this is closed down, never getting close to the main page. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:26, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Agree. -- Sca (talk) 19:28, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose. Sad for the family, but it’s an overblown case in the UK media and isn’t blurb-worthy. (I’d question whether the article is encyclopaedic - it is unlikely to pass the WP:10YEARTEST) 2A00:23C7:2B86:9801:7555:23F:F48F:BC86 (talk) 19:37, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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(Closed) Escalation in the Gaza strip[edit]

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Article: Operation Breaking Dawn (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Israel launches Operation Breaking Dawn against the PIJ in the Gaza strip. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Israel kills a senior PIJ leader, launching Operation Breaking Dawn against PIJ forces in Gaza
Alternative blurb II: Airstrikes on the Gaza strip kill 44 amidst an Israeli military operation against PIJ forces.
News source(s): BBC, CNN, Al-Monitor
Credits:
  • Oppose Orange-tagged for NPOV issues, discussion on talk page continues. Black Kite (talk) 09:57, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose per Black Kite. It's also part of a larger conflict that has been going on for too many years. Unfortunately, it has become routine. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:18, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose WP:RECENT, future developments unclear. Selfstudier (talk) 11:00, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose - per BK and due to their as yet being no significant development in the overall conflict. Also the idea that airstrikes are against PIJ and not against Gaza is a POV issue in the hook. nableezy - 12:19, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment – Added source links: BBC, AP, Guardian, AlJazeera
  • Oppose Comment – Per Alsor. Significance of this particular flareup not apparent in the context of modern history. – Sca (talk) 12:48, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Reopened after a good-faith close by User:Kiril Simeonovski. Most oppose !votes referred primarily to quality issues which are addressable, and most notability concerns read to me as effectively "wait" !votes because they remarked that it's still too early to understand the notability. I think there is a realistic possibility that consensus could evolve after the issues with the target article are addressed and more information comes out.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 23:40, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Nothing new here. Such incidents are far too frequent to be recorded here. HiLo48 (talk) 02:29, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment – Seems to be heating up. BBC, AP, AP, Reuters, DW The Gaza toll put at 31 Sunday by AlJazeera. – Sca (talk) 12:16, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment Truce announced [2] --Masem (t) 14:53, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Weak Support or wait. Notable enough to appear on my Spanish news, but article needs work, would be nice to at least get the POV tag removed before posting. AdrianHObradors (talk)
  • Weak Oppose Truce has been announced now + unfortunately, not much different from the normal situation. The Kip (talk) 16:08, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment – Truce due to begin at 20:30. [3] [4] [5]Sca (talk) 19:38, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support on notability (but not quality yet) due to the high death toll. It's significantly higher than it was yesterday. I added an altblurb focusing on the casualties, but I feel like I could've worded it better. Feel free to offer improvements.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 20:30, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
And if the death toll is lower tomorrow? These things have been going in cycles for 70 years. HiLo48 (talk) 01:35, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Huh? I was referring to how the total death toll of the this military operation has reached a point where I think it's blurbworthy. Unless people already pronounced dead suddenly take breaths again, the death toll cannot go down. That the Israel-Palestine conflict has been ongoing for so long does not mean that the occasional escalations with very high death tolls are insignificant.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 02:19, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
HiLo48, if the death toll somehow goes lower tomorrow we are talking zombies and that warrants a blurb imo AdrianHObradors (talk) 10:21, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No. We're simply talking about a failure to communicate. Maybe it's a difference between Australian English and whatever your version is. HiLo48 (talk) 11:50, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Official death tolls cannot decrease, as far as I know. It is physically impossible. Not sure what it is about Australian English that might render it otherwise. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 16:34, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment – Truce holds, for now. Toll still reported as 44. [6] [7]Sca (talk) 12:43, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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