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This page provides a forum for editors to suggest items for inclusion in Template:In the news (ITN), a protected Main Page template, as well as the forum for discussion of candidates. This is not the page to report errors in the ITN section on the Main Page—please go to the appropriate section at WP:ERRORS.

This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. Under each daily section header below is the transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day (with a light green header). Each day's portal page is followed by a subsection for suggestions and discussion.

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How to nominate an item[edit]

In order to suggest a candidate:

  • Update an article to be linked to from the blurb to include the recent developments, or find an article that has already been updated.
  • Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated) in UTC.
    • Do not add sections for new dates. These are automatically generated (at midnight UTC) by a bot; creating them manually breaks this process. Remember, we use UTC dates.
  • Nominate the blurb for ITN inclusion under the "Suggestions" subheading for the date, emboldening the link in the blurb to the updated article. Use a level 4 header (====) when doing so.
    • Preferably use the template {{ITN candidate}} to nominate the article related to the event in the news. Make sure that you include a reference from a verifiable, reliable secondary source. Press releases are not acceptable. The suggested blurb should be written in simple present tense.
    • Adding an explanation why the event should be posted greatly increases the odds of posting.
  • Please consider alerting editors to the nomination by adding the template {{ITN note}} to the corresponding article's talk page.

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There are criteria which guide the decision on whether or not to put a particular item on In the news, based largely on the extensiveness of the updated content and the perceived significance of the recent developments. These are listed at WP:ITN.

Submissions that do not follow the guidelines at Wikipedia:In the news will not be placed onto the live template.


  • Items that have been posted or pulled from the main page are generally marked with (Posted) or (Pulled) in the item's subject so it is clear they are no longer active.
  • Items can also be marked as (Ready) when the article is both updated and there seems to be a consensus to post. The posting admin, however, should always judge the update and the consensus to post themselves. If you find an entry that you don't feel is ready to post is marked (Ready), you should remove the mark in the header.

Voicing an opinion on an item[edit]

  • Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated.
  • Some jargon: RD refers to "recent deaths", a subsection of the news box which lists only the names of the recent notable deceased. Blurb refers to the full sentences that occupy most of the news box. Most eligible deaths will be listed in the recent deaths section of the ITN template. However, some deaths may be given a full listing if there is sufficient consensus to do so.
  • The blurb of a promoted ITN item may be modified to complement the existing items on the main page.

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  1. add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are usually not helpful. Instead, explain the reasons why you think the item meets or does not meet the ITN inclusion criteria so a consensus can be reached.
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  3. accuse other editors of supporting, opposing or nominating due to a personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). Conflicts of interest are not handled at ITN.
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  5. oppose a WP:ITN/R item here because you disagree with current WP:ITN/R criteria (these can be discussed at the relevant Talk Page)
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February 20[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Art and culture
  • An 18th-century Ethiopian ceremonial crown, one of the 20 in existence, is returned to Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed after it was discovered in the Netherlands in 1998. It was held by Dutch authorities until now so it could be returned when the country was more politically stable. (BBC)

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Dominican Republic Election 2020[edit]

Article: 2020 Dominican Republic municipal elections (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Protests happen in major Dominican Republic cities over the election problems.
News source(s): (Dominican Today) (Dominican Today 2nd)

Nominator's comments: I am nominating this as protests are happening over the election being halted due to problems. People are being arrested. (Blurb might need to be updated) Elijahandskip (talk) 19:56, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Wallan derailment[edit]

Proposed image
Article: Wallan derailment (talk, history)
Blurb: ​An XPT train (example pictured) is derailed near Wallan, Victoria, Australia. Two people are killed and twelve are injured
News source(s): (Sydney Morning Herald)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: There is no such thing as WP:MINIMUMDEATHS, so let's not cite the lack of deaths as a reason to oppose. This appears to be the first fatal accident for the XPT (am open to correction on this), which adds some significance if correct. Mjroots (talk) 16:07, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

  • Oppose not particularly encyclopedically notable. Accidents happen when people try to rush. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 17:02, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose Still not picked up by a majority of worldwide agencies, don't see much notability here, sorry. --qedk (t c) 17:08, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
    To be fair, it has.[1][2][3][4] --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 17:55, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose – Per TRM. Unfortunate, but a comparatively minor accident. – Sca (talk) 18:41, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Support With Blurb Fix I support as it is notable, but the blurb is wrong. The official report was 2 dead and 69 injured. (Check current events portal). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elijahandskip (talkcontribs) 19:51, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
    • The 2 dead, 69 injured refers to a motorway pile-up in Canada. Mjroots (talk) 20:19, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) New Zealander of the Year Awards[edit]

Thanks for the nomination, but this does not have consensus to post. 331dot (talk) 17:14, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Articles: New Zealander of the Year Awards (talk, history) and Jennifer Ward-Lealand (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Jennifer Ward-Lealand is named New Zealander of the Year.
News source(s): (TVNZ)
Nominator's comments: New Zealand big award that is done annually. Elijahandskip (talk) 13:48, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Local news. Good for DYK. MSN12102001 (talk) 13:53, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
    While I agree it's not suitable for ITN, it's also not good for DYK under any criteria used there. Gʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ˣ 14:22, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Extremely regretful oppose - I wish we could have more ITN stories from my home country...--WaltCip (talk) 13:59, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose referencing issues. Not one citation for the filmography, for example. --Jayron32 14:11, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose We are generally not going to post any national honorary titles unless there's more to the news about them. --Masem (t) 14:14, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose sorry, but doesn't rise to the level of English Wikipedia's main page notability. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 17:02, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose Per above. Also suggest closing this per WP:SNOW. --qedk (t c) 17:10, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

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February 19[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents
Health and environment

Law and crime

Politics and elections

(Posted) 2020 Hanau shootings[edit]

Article: 2020 Hanau shootings (talk, history)
Blurb: ​At least nine people are killed and several more are wounded during shootings in Hanau, Germany.
News source(s): The Guardian, DW, Express, CNN

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Article was just created (hence, it's a stub), but I think the event is notable. --SirEdimon (talk) 23:46, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

  • Support. Brand news. BUT It is still a stub. It needs development. MSN12102001 (talk) 00:39, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Support On notability and quality (two shooting blurbs on at the same time is a bit grim, though). Tweaked blurb.  Nixinova  T  C   01:24, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Wait a few hours just to see what additional news will come in, but on importance, this is appropriate to post assuming that the 8 reported deaths hold up. --Masem (t) 01:51, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
    • Apparently they have found the gunman dead in his home, so the "event" is over, though I've seen a death tool as high as 11. Either way, likely can be posted in a few hours.--Masem (t) 06:57, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Wait It's a stub and there is more that we don't know than what we do. Things are developing rapidly. Better to wait until we know what the bleep has happened and we have a credible article to link to. Obviously this will get posted once we have solid information and an article of adequate quality. But ITN is not a news service so there is no rush. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:56, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Support after expansion - clearly notable. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 07:49, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Have added some minor info. Not that much known yet, but can be posted imo, since editors are on it and constantly updating. Please refrain from calling it a right-wing attack in the infobox yet, so far, that is just speculation. Zwerg Nase (talk) 09:24, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose because of grammatical issue whether it is "nine" in alphabetical form or "9" in numeric form, but I Support it for quality and notability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:35, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
    That's a really strange reason to oppose, doubly so because Wikipedia rules mandate that Integers from zero to nine are spelled out in words. --Jayron32 13:11, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Support As of now, article has been expanded enough is, of sufficient quality and item is being reported sufficiently in news sources. Looks good to go. --Jayron32 13:13, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted - Fuzheado | Talk 14:05, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Post-posting comment – Current blurb says "at least ten" (10). The practice of including the shooter, who killed himself, seems decidedly odd. Further, all the extensive RS coverage I've seen quotes official sources as saying he killed nine people, so "at least" seems inadvisable as it gives the impression we don't know how many were killed. (True, there is one person who was "seriously" injured, but we don't know whether that person is likely to die.). – Sca (talk) 15:31, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
PS: However, I see German Wiki's ITN blurb now says 11 "lost their lives" ("sind elf Menschen gestorben"), so maybe Eng.-lang sources will update soon. – Sca (talk) 15:55, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
I would oppose phrasing it like that. Yes, 11 people are dead, but one of them is the killer who killed 10 (other) people. Regards SoWhy 16:00, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

@Sca: So far, he has killed 10 people. And himself. Makes 11. I agree that it is a little confusing for the reader that the main page says ten and the article lead says 11, even though it makes sense. Zwerg Nase (talk) 15:53, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment - Could someone give the "credits"?--SirEdimon (talk) 21:50, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: José Mojica Marins[edit]

Article: José Mojica Marins (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Folha de S. Paulo (in Portuguese), Bloody Disgusting

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Brazilian actor and filmmaker, famous for creating and playing Coffin Joe. The article has some issues, but I'll be working on it. --SirEdimon (talk) 23:00, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

  • Support, though the article does need some improvements. I'll try to help improve it in the morning. —Matthew - (talk) 06:32, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
Comment: I've made some improvements, including adjusting and expanding upon much of the text, adding several citations (and a Bibliography subsection), and removing references to IMDb outside of the External links section. It isn't perfect, but we're aiming for a RD entry right now, not good or featured article status. —Matthew - (talk) 15:57, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
@MatthewHoobin: I believe we generally require citations in the filmography section. Kees08 (Talk) 20:40, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
@Kees08: Done. —Matthew - (talk) 21:21, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose article needs proper and thorough referencing. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 07:49, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted I believe all of TRM's concerns are addressed, give me a ping if there are any outstanding problems that would require pulling. Kees08 (Talk) 21:26, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

RD: Heather Couper[edit]

Article: Heather Couper (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): BBC News

Article updated

Nominator's comments: News of her death was published today and the article looks in reasonable shape. Carcharoth (talk) 18:51, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Pop Smoke[edit]

Article: Pop Smoke (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): [5]

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Rapper from United States who recently signed a record deal with Republic and numerous charted singles and mixtapes  — TwinTurbo (talk) 12:06, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

  • Support - I can't see any issues with the citing or article quality.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:23, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Wait - The primary source for his death is TMZ. Pitchfork, a more reliable source [6] has TMZ as its lead and says "allegedly killed", "reportedly pronounced dead", "Pitchfork has reached out to representatives for more information". The article has no problems for the rest of it, but there is no police, hospital or management confirmation of his death thus far. Unknown Temptation (talk) 15:27, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
As of 15:30 GMT all coverage is either tabloid or says "reportedly", or even has "death" in inverted commas. [7] Unknown Temptation (talk) 15:32, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
Not against waiting on a better source than TMZ, but in terms of reporting on deaths, TMZ has fixed their reputation of jumping the gun. I'd still wouldn't rush to put in a death based only on TMZ, but I would be expected to see other sources to confirm within a short time. --Masem (t) 16:44, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
NBC News are also reporting it, citing multiple sources who've spoken to them.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:54, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Support - Death being reported by reliable sources. Also, TMZ is typically a reliable source for celebrity deaths (see 2020 Calabasas helicopter crash) so it shouldn't be downplayed as a source. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 17:49, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
    • I was just point out that, say, 15-20 years ago, TMZ was known to jump the gun in its rush to be first and ended up w/ egg on their face (see cases on List of premature obituaries). They're still rushing to be first, but they do try to get firm confirmation before posting. --Masem (t) 19:29, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Support good to go. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 19:12, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Good to go indeed.BabbaQ (talk) 19:42, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted - Fuzheado | Talk 20:40, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Fernando Morán[edit]

Article: Fernando Morán (politician) (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): El Pais (in Spanish)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Former Spanish minister of foreign affairs, from 1982 to 1985  — Amakuru (talk) 10:42, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

*Oppose because unknown for their nationality whether Spanish or Catalan but Support for well-referenced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:00, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

    • What?--SirEdimon (talk) 13:31, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
      • Yes, his nationality whether Spanish or Catalan needs to reveal before posting to RD. Yet I support it to posted despite nationality issues. (talk) 13:45, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
        Please could you explain a bit more what you want us to "reveal"? Because your point isn't clear to me. (1) the guy was born in Aviles, which is on the northern coast of Spain, nowhere near Catalonia. (2) even if he was from Catalonia, he'd still be Spanish as for the time being (unless and until it goes independent) Catalonia is still part of Spain. (3) the article does say his nationality, and it says he's Spanish. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 13:57, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
        • Ok, thank you for information and I now Support it to be posted because it is very notable for Spanish politics. (talk) 14:30, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Support start-class but what's there is satis. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 13:22, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Notable especially because was the MFA he who led the negotiations for the accession of Spain into the current European Union and what this meant for this country. (Alsoriano97) (talk) 16:30, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted Stephen 22:31, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

February 18[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology
  • Archeologists announce an articulated Neanderthal skeleton was unearthed in Shanidar Cave, Iraq, the first discovery of its type in over a decade. They argue the find provided further proof that Neanderthals buried their dead, as it was next to a site where similar bodies were found surrounded by pollen clumps. (BBC)

(Posted) RD: José Bonaparte[edit]

Article: José Bonaparte (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): La VerdadLa Nacion (both in Spanish)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Argentine paleontologist  — Amakuru (talk) 12:32, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

2019 Afghan presidential election[edit]

Article: 2019 Afghan presidential election (talk, history)
Blurb: ​After a delay of more than five months over disputed votes, Ashraf Ghani is re-elected Afghan president..
Alternative blurb: ​Afghan president Ashraf Ghani is re-elected after a five-month delay over disputed votes.
Alternative blurb II: ​Five months after polls closed, Ashraf Ghani is declared re-elected as President of Afghanistan
News source(s): The GuardianBBC
Nominated event is listed at WP:ITN/R, meaning that the recurrence of the event should in itself merit a post on WP:ITN, subject to the quality of the article and any update(s) to it.

 Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:04, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

  • Oppose for now - sourcing is good, and I think this is probably WP:ITN/R, even though the election itself was some months ago. (It looks like we didn't post it at the time, unless I've missed it). It needs more of an update on today's news though. The lede has one sentence, but the body has not been updated yet, with details of what happened and why the result is now official.  — Amakuru (talk) 18:04, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose due to insufficient update. As noted above, we need more on this news; if this is a big deal, then the article should give it some weight in terms of some significant explanatory text. There's a sentence in the lead and that's it. Furthermore, I'm not entirely thrilled with the blurb, it feels like it buries the lead. It makes it sound like the election just happened, perhaps if we changed the bolded text to "verified" or "confirmed" the results of the five-month old election in some way, I would like that better. My skills are failing me at this point, but if someone can come up with something better, that'd be great. --Jayron32 18:20, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
    Still oppose until update is done, but when that is fixed, I would support ALT2. --Jayron32 13:09, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose not a significant event for global history outside involving any of English-speaking country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:04, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
Postings are not limited to being of interest to English-speaking countries. Presidential elections in any country are on the recurring events list, meaning notability is not at issue. You know the US still has troops there, right? Certainly of interest to Americans. 331dot (talk) 21:07, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
even if it wasn't of interest for Americans it should still be there. (talk) 11:18, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose until duly updated.John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 22:37, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Support my alt-blurb. Election of leaders is always notable -- Rockstonetalk to me! 23:34, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
  • ITNR is for the final results of the election, so yes this counts. Unfortunately the article is not ready as we need a paragraph of referenced prose on the announcement, reactions etc. Even the table appears to list the preliminary results from December, not the final values released this week. Adding altblurb2, which hopefully addresses the concerns raised above without calling the legitimacy of the election into question (which we avoid doing in blurbs). Modest Genius talk 17:05, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Ongoing: Northwestern Syria offensive (December 2019–present)[edit]

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Article: Northwestern Syria offensive (December 2019–present) (talk, history)
Blurb: United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs estimates that the Northwestern Syria offensive since December has displaced 900,000 people.
News source(s): Al Jazeera, France 24

Nominator's comments: Ongoing offensive in the Syrian Civil War with notable gains by the Syrian government. Aleppo's neighborhoods have been fully captured and there have been clashes with Turkey itself. Updates on the offensive have been posted nearly every day on the Current news portal. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 14:00, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

  • Weak oppose for now. Article is well referenced, but needs some stylistic rewriting to avoid major WP:PROSELINE issues. If someone could find a more natural and narrative way of writing than just a string of paragraphs that start "On <date>..." I would support posting this. --Jayron32 15:10, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment: Perhaps a blurb would be a better way of adding this to the template, rather than an Ongoing without a defined end point. Based on the nom it seems that there are notable events worth posting about. SpencerT•C 18:00, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
    • Something about "leaving the army in full control of the Greater Aleppo area." might make a good hook. Even if the daily proseline were glued together into a paragraph, it wouldn't be adequate for OG: too light on details. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:12, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose War never ends, and we can't post everything that is ongoing to "Ongoing." Given that this war has been posted many times in the past, I don't see enough here to post yet again. GreatCaesarsGhost 19:30, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Support - The impending open war between Turkey and Syria (and their global allies especially) resulting from this offensive is a whole new story, compared to the Syrian civil war.-- (talk) 21:12, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
    I agree that this World War you are observing in your crystal ball would be blurbable, but for now we're just discussing the Syrian Civil War. GreatCaesarsGhost 00:41, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Support – I suggested a blurb. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 21:50, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
    • Strike that. There are 22 refs to a blacklisted source. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 22:22, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose ongoing but Support blurb per others because despite is the ongoing war, but not necessary to included in ongoing section. I think it should be included in blurb instead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:31, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose does not appear to be significant based on the blurb (as said above, this always happens and while unfortunate is not noteworthy); having said that, perhaps the blurb is hiding the significance of this. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 04:34, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment: I am receptive to the idea of posting the Syrian civil war again, but I'm not sure if this is the right time to do so. The recent battles and territorial changes don't seem large (in the context of the entire war), so the significance seems to be more speculation of what will happen next e.g. with Turkey. Unless I'm misunderstanding the situation, we should wait to see what events are triggered. Modest Genius talk 17:15, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) Yukos shareholders lawsuit[edit]

Consensus will not develop to post. Stephen 22:24, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: Yukos shareholders v. Russia (talk, history)
Blurb: ​A Dutch appeal court reinstates for Russia to pay $50 billion over Yukos.
Alternative blurb: ​In ongoing legal actions related to the Yukos Oil Company, the Hague Court of Appeals re-enforces a $50 billion award for majority shareholders from Russia.
News source(s): (NBC)
Nominator's comments: Nomination is because the case was originally done in 2016 and was overturned. Elijahandskip (talk) 13:42, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose - The blurb itself doesn't establish the significance of this story. Other than being an international lawsuit that Russia may not even comply with, what does this event actually change? Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 14:01, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment Any suggestions to change the blurb to make the topic show the notability? The court ruling in 2016 was overturned, which including the international lawsuit, makes it notable.
  • I have boldly set the target to the article on the lawsuit(s) that are involved against Yukos. Working out a better blurb. --Masem (t) 14:36, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose as, after trying to update the target article on the lawsuits, this is just one of many, and Russia states their plan to appeal. While the case has international concerns, it still effectively is a bad business thing which we typically don't ITN. --Masem (t) 14:41, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Masem. Not really significant enough.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:21, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose not significant for English language Wikipedia main page. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 19:43, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose. The blurb is barely understandable, and from the article and NBC link above I cannot see these legal wranglings having sufficient encyclopaedic impact to justify an ITN blurb. Modest Genius talk 17:19, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

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RD: Tapas Paul[edit]

Article: Tapas Paul (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): The Times of India

Nominator's comments: Bengali actor and former member of Indian parliament. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 08:56, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

  • Oppose - although mostly cited, the article needs a bit of restructuring - the film information oin the lede seems to be longer than the "Film career" section in the body, which is the wrong way round. I also don't think there should be a dedicated "Controversy" section per WP:NOCRIT. The relevant facts should be described in another section of the article and in neutral terms. Also there's an unreferenced section and several citations needed. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 11:32, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose I think Amakuru nailed it. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 19:43, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

RD: Ashraf Sinclair[edit]

Article: Ashraf Sinclair (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): NST "Actor Ashraf Sinclair dies of heart attack aged 40". New Straits Times. 18 February 2020.

Nominator's comments: He is a Malaysian actor, who well known in Indonesia and was played in many dramas and films in Indonesia and Malaysia. (talk) 07:03, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

  • Oppose - the prose size is only 1149 bytes, which means it's basically a stub (1500 bytes is usually considered the minimum). Filmography also unreferenced.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:23, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose proto-stub, no critical analysis, nothing for the main page. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 19:44, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) Daytona 500[edit]

Consensus will not develop to post. Stephen 22:23, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: 2020 Daytona 500 (talk, history)
Blurb: Denny Hamlin wins the 2020 Daytona 500 after a crash seriously injures Ryan Newman.
Alternative blurb: ​After a crash seriously injures Ryan Newman, Denny Hamlin wins the 2020 Daytona 500.
News source(s): WESH, CNN
Nominator's comments: Recurring event, made more notable by the serious injury sustained by Ryan Newman. Rockstonetalk to me! 16:14, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Contrary to what the nom says, the Daytona 500 is not listed at WP:ITN/R. It only mentions the NASCAR series itself, which I believe will conclude in around August. Not convinced the Newman injury makes it worth posting either... I gather it's not a life-threatening injury.  — Amakuru (talk) 18:09, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
    • I've taken off the ITNR per this. Doesn't mean that it can't be posted but we now debate on its merits in addition to quality. --Masem (t) 18:15, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
      Well that's an interesting question... if a particular event could be ITN/R, but isn't, does that mean that by default we should not post it? Obviously this one has the extra circumstances around the serious injury, but ordinarily I'd imagine that would be the case. If something's worth posting one year then it's worth posting every year.  — Amakuru (talk) 18:18, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
      I have never seen personally that an event like an ITNR one but not listed to be ineligible for ITN posting; it just loses the "free pass" of ITNR's "important already established". It can be more difficult for an event that is similar to multiple events on ITNR but not listed itself (such as yet another association football tourney), but that doesn't immediately disqualify it. --Masem (t) 18:22, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
      we've had this discussion and fixed it. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:17, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
  • My understanding is that, since the Daytona 500 is the most prestigious event in the series,it would be the one to post on ITN. But, that was just my understanding. -- Rockstonetalk to me! 19:28, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose for now on article quality. Absolutely zero prose outside of the lead describes any of the race at all. This was a multi-hour sporting event about which volumes of text have already been written in major sporting media outlets. Absolutely none of that has made it into the article. Would support inclusion if anyone cared to research this and write some prose into the article. --Jayron32 18:33, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Weak Support we've posted the Daytona 500 in the past, there are good paragraphs about the race in the lead, the tables do an excellent job summarizing the pertinent info: who ran, what was their standing and times. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:19, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose I don't see how we post one race when the season winner is ITN/R. GreatCaesarsGhost 19:32, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose I think it's been covered above, but a single race in a single class in a single country is absolutely miles away from ITN. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 19:36, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
Oh? Tell us more about a single race in a single class in a single country being absolutely miles away from ITN. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:09, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
This is Godwin's law, the WP:ITN/C version. "As a discussion about a news item grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving The Boat Race approaches 1".  — Amakuru (talk) 23:57, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
I actually coined Oxford's Law, and would appreciate you attributing it to me. ;-) --WaltCip (talk) 00:36, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
  • It's only miles away from ITN when it isn't America, of course (sarcasm). Nevermind the fact that NASCAR is not just an American thing. -- Rockstonetalk to me! 22:19, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
    I don't think there's really any regional bias here. We could post the British Grand Prix, which is quite a big deal in the UK sporting calendar and maybe on a similar level to the Daytona thing. But we don't, for similar reasons to those outlined above.  — Amakuru (talk) 00:00, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Weak Oppose - I'm sympathetic to desires to get this posted. It's hard to think of very many parallels to the Daytona 500, which is a notable sporting event in its own right even if it's not the season-finisher. But the article needs to be of good quality first and foremost. Also, I don't think the injury should be mentioned. It would be more notable if the victim died, as morbid and unfortunate as that sounds.--WaltCip (talk) 00:44, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose 500 miles of left-hand turns? Yeeee-hhhaaaaaawwww, cousin Cletus! Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 14:41, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
Classy.--WaltCip (talk) 16:56, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
That has literally no relevance to anything.. "500 kicks of an association football? Woohoo, Oliver!" -- Rockstonetalk to me! 21:48, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Weak support once article is ready, given that this is arguably the foremost event in auto racing. Lepricavark (talk) 16:38, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

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    • The lower reaches of many rivers, including the Severn at Shrewsbury, continue to rise as a result of excess runoff from upstream. The River Wye in Hereford has now reached its highest level in recorded history. (BBC)
  • At least 20 people, mostly women and children, are killed in a stampede during a rush to collect aid supplies upon the opening of the gates to an aid facility in Diffa, south-eastern Niger. (BBC)

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  • 2020 Daytona 500
    • Denny Hamlin wins his second consecutive Daytona 500, and his third overall, becoming the first driver to win the race consecutively since Sterling Marlin did so between 1994 and 1995. Ryan Newman is hospitalized with serious but non-life threatening injuries after an airborne crash coming to the finish. (WESH)

(Posted) RD: Larry Tesler[edit]

Article: Larry Tesler (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Apple Insider

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Computer scientist and mathematician within Apple during its formulative years, and developed the copy-and-paste UI approach we know today. Article has a few lingering CNs I am doing to try to tackle. Masem (t) 22:57, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

  • Okay, I've done my job, the article is fully sourced and expanded with a few more of his contributions. --Masem (t) 01:05, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Support - his work was certainly influential/notable; article looks decent. - Indefensible (talk) 05:30, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted Kees08 (Talk) 05:54, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Sonja Ziemann[edit]

Article: Sonja Ziemann (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Tagsschau

Article updated

Nominator's comments: German actress, most popular in 1950s heimat films (1950 Bambi), then more serious and more international. refs were mostly fine, just not for death and the looong list of films. Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:00, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

I added another source and some text. Look, please. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:16, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

  • Support. It's sad that so few users seem to be interested in RD nominations nowadays, but this clearly meets the relevant criteria. —Brigade Piron (talk) 19:34, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted Kees08 (Talk) 20:49, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ror Wolf[edit]

Article: Ror Wolf (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): EN24 + FAZ + BR (but this one is in English)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: German writer of audio plays, novels and poems, grotesque, award-winning, "dissecting reality". I expanded a stub. Much more could be taken from the German WP: lists of works and awards, literary criticism. - I heard it on radio. Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:11, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

  • Gerda Arendt, which University of Frankfurt? The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 19:36, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
    Weak support upon resolution of the {{dn}} above. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 19:40, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
    done, but really, I'd say that 90% of people mentioning University of Frankfurt mean the one at the Main, not Oder. The article title reflects the latest taste in short names, so is useless for when he studied, sadly. The historic name would be awfully long, with the full name of the poet. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:47, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
    The source at the end of the sentence also confirms that it's the one in Frankfurt am Main. Although it's almost common sense, given that it's already stated that he left East Germany to live in the west, and it's unlikely he'd immediately return there to study.  — Amakuru (talk) 08:15, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment: I have tagged a few odd words towards the start of "Life": I could guess "shou" is "shoe", but "annected" is beyond me --PaulBetteridge (talk) 21:25, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
    I have changed the words based on Google translation of the NZZ source, but it would be good if a German speaker checked it --PaulBetteridge (talk) 21:32, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
    I checked it, it's fine, - sorry, was getting tired. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:11, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted to RD  — Amakuru (talk) 13:33, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Owen Bieber[edit]

Article: Owen Bieber (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): NYT Hall, Kalea; Noble, Breana (February 17, 2020). "Former UAW President Owen Bieber dies at 90". The Detroit News.

Nominator's comments: Article was a DYK and doesn't look like it's changed much since then. Should be ready, though the lead could be meatier. Nohomersryan (talk) 19:39, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

  • Oppose for now - all looks good, but as noted in the nom the lede needs some expanding. Then it'll be good to go. CHeers  — Amakuru (talk) 11:21, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
    Support - Thanks for the update, Jayron32 that's great. I've added a little more detail on his early life, and it's good to go now. Marking as ready.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:33, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Support I've done my best to write a summary in the lede. Can you please recheck my work, @Amakuru:. Thanks. --Jayron32 12:06, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
  • plus Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:11, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Andrew Weatherall[edit]

Article: Andrew Weatherall (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): [8]

Article updated

Nominator's comments: British DJ and producer. Article needs some more citations, which I'll work on this afternoon, and the usual unsourced -ography section, but otherwise in good enough shape.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:49, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

  • Haha, you edit-conflicted with me nominating it. I've added a death section, but I've got to be AFK for a while now. Black Kite (talk) 14:52, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
    @Black Kite: he he yes, thanks for that. I was going to nominate Harry Gregg as well, but missed out on that one because I had to go to a meeting...  — Amakuru (talk) 15:45, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose too much unreferenced. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 14:53, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Support - fully cited now. Black Kite (talk) 09:33, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
    @Black Kite: good effort, thanks for that! Looks good to go now.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:12, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
  • plus Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:07, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Harry Gregg[edit]

Article: Harry Gregg (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): The Guardian, BBC Sport

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Manchester United and Northern Ireland goalkeeper of the late 1950s / early 1960s, best known for saving lives in the 1958 Munich air disasterJmorrison230582 (talk) 14:27, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

I have replaced the Mail with cites from the Guardian and FourFourTwo, and added some references for the TV/film depictions. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 15:16, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
Support Good to go. --Jayron32 15:24, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose - a few claims that need to be cited, but after that should be OK to go. Decent article.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:49, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted - all cites now good, and consensus to post to RD.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:40, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Tony Fernández[edit]

Article: Tony Fernández (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s):

 – Muboshgu (talk) 17:48, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

(Stale) RD: Shehnaz Ansari[edit]

Now stale.
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Article: Shehnaz Ansari (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): TheNews

Article updated
Nominator's comments: A sitting MPA shot dead. Guy in the Mall (talk) 16:31, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
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(Stale) RD: A. E. Hotchner[edit]

Now stale.
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Article: A. E. Hotchner (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Guardian obituary

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Centenarian writer and editor, friend and biographer of Ernest Hemingway and of Paul Newman. Few sentences in the middle of the article need sources. Blythwood (talk) 14:43, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Caroline Flack[edit]

Article: Caroline Flack (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Telegraph, Deadline

Article updated

Nominator's comments: English radio and television presenter. The article has some issues, but it's being heavly edited since she was "very famous". --SirEdimon (talk) 18:05, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

  • Support Confirmation of death and article is citated correctly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:46, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Support - article looks good enough Spiderone 20:33, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Support - Article now good enough for inclusion. BabbaQ (talk) 20:41, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment - sorry to "do a TRM", but Filmography is wholly unsourced. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:52, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose, per above (and no need to apologise for maintaining standards, particular for a BLP) but also the "Strictly Come Dancing performances" table is completely unreferenced as well. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 22:07, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
    Is that table even necessary? Do people really care about each "performance"? – Muboshgu (talk) 22:36, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
    It feels like something that should be saved for an article on the show, if at all. A few lines of prose about appearing is really all a biography would merit. Gʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ˣ 22:39, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
    It's become standard practice to copy out the results table extract to the contestant's own article, but usually in collapsable form. As a series winner the table deserves to be included for Flack more than for most. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:52, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
    It feels a little undue, especially if there's already cited prose describing the course of the show (and we do have a paragraph-length summary of its run so it's not like it isn't covered); ultimately if it's uncited material in a biography we should be looking for a good reason to include it, and other articles doing it isn't enough. Gʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ˣ 23:21, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
    There is no reason, as far as I know, for it to remain uncited. But, as Kingsif says below, WP:PLOT. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:24, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
    Yeeeeah, I disagree that's standard practice. Summarize how far she got, etc. but you have the link to the series article right there. Unless there is some specific facet of her appearance on one of those shows that had more impact on her life/career, the summary is just fine. --Masem (t) 00:25, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Support barring filmography refs, most if not all should be easily available on the BBC and ITV websites. Strictly Come Dancing might not warrant refs because of WP:PLOT Kingsif (talk) 22:34, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose ography section has to be sourced, and I don't understand why guest appearances are broken out separate, they're all still television appearances. --Masem (t) 00:21, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
    • Also, there is zero reason to have the dancing show table there. Linking to the season article where those results are present already are fine. Her article should summary her appearance on the show, but not the details. --Masem (t) 00:23, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
      Agreed. Axe the dancing show table,it's undue in this article and per WP:NOTSTATS, doesn't add to understanding the BLP when the biog already covers the important detail in prose.  — Amakuru (talk) 00:29, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment Filmography table is now 95% referenced, "guest appearances" section is halfway there. PotentPotables (talk) 02:33, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment: I have added references to the remaining parts of the Filmography table. I have also added a reference to the Radio table and some to the Guest Appearances list. I could not find sources for the three that are left uncited for now. Aoba47 (talk) 03:39, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Support referencing seems to have been greatly improved. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:34, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Support well sourced. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:38, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted to RD  — Amakuru (talk) 10:33, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) Storm Dennis[edit]

Good faith nom but consensus is against posting and is unlikely to change. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:34, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
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Article: Storm Dennis (talk, history)
Ongoing item nomination
Alternative blurb: ​The British Army is deployed for rescue efforts as a Bomb Cyclone hits England.
Alternative blurb II: ​Storm Dennis, a bomb cyclone, becomes strongest winter storm ever in North Atlantic.
News source(s): (UPI) (USA Today)
Nominator's comments: Current Weather event that is bad enough the British Military is doing rescue efforts. Elijahandskip (talk) 20:40, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose Ongoing because OG items need to be "continuously updated". I'd consider a blurb pending update, the article has no impact section as yet to justify one. --LaserLegs (talk) 20:52, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment The article now has an impact section. I added a second alt blurb as the storm is possibly the strongest north Atlantic winter storm ever. Elijahandskip (talk) 20:59, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose it's windy and wet, and inconvenient. And it'll be all over in a matter of hours, so ongoing seems overkill. At most, if dozens are killed, we could look at a blurb. Otherwise, it's modern weather business as usual. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 22:09, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
    • Comment (Question) How is a storm setting records in the North Atlantic "weather business as usual"? Elijahandskip (talk) 22:23, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
      • As I noted, I'll await its impact, if any, before suggesting it should be posted. Much like Ciara, it'll most likely be a storm in a large teacup. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 22:27, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
    It's kind of windy outside at the moment, but doesn't feel as bad as last week yet. If my wheelie bin has blown over by tomorrow morning then I might consider supporting.  — Amakuru (talk) 00:36, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment Given that a blurb on Ciara was rejected and the article's lead forecasts: "Despite its intensity, the effects from the Storm are not expected to be as notable as Storm Ciara," I would only support this if the article itself was well developed, which at the moment, that seems half-way. Sleath56 (talk) 03:23, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose – powerful storm, yes, but not especially impactful which is the most important element for ITN. If it were a world-record intensity I believe that would warrant mention solely on meteorological merits but that is not the case here. National militaries routinely respond to disasters to assist affected persons. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 03:37, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose – Per Amakuru – and of course we must accede to the expert advice of the preceding user's post. – Sca (talk) 14:52, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose Even if the article could be expanded, three deaths is not significant for a weather disaster post. --Masem (t) 16:16, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Bonnie MacLean[edit]

Article: Bonnie MacLean (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): San Francisco Chronicle, Paste Magazine

 7&6=thirteen () 14:46, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

  • Comment She appears to have died on February 4, but it has only been reported on the 12th.-- P-K3 (talk) 14:57, 14 February 2020 (UTC)}}
  • Weak oppose Article is currently extremely light on what she actually did and could use a small expansion before posting. Kees08 (Talk) 17:00, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
Comment P-K3 Added content. 7&6=thirteen () 12:56, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Looks good to go. P-K3 (talk) 13:37, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted Kees08 (Talk) 16:41, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) Ex-Tropical Cyclone Usei[edit]

No consensus to post. Stephen 22:17, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
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Article: 2019–20 South Pacific cyclone season (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Ex-Tropical Cyclone Usei makes landfall on Lord Howe Island and heads toward New Zealand.
News source(s): (NASA) (ABC News)
Nominator's comments: It is a current Weather event that is out of season. Normally Tropical Storms/hurricans/cyclones are mentioned in this section. It has officially made a landfall also on Lord Howe Island. Elijahandskip (talk) 00:36, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment Not out of season at all. It's peak cyclone season in those waters. HiLo48 (talk) 00:56, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose Uesi has very little impact at all, plus no article of the cyclone exist. INeedSupport ❄️ 02:28, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose: Severe Tropical Cyclone Uesi does not have its own article, and I don't think the season article should be approved in its place. Also, despite making landfall on Lord Howe Island, no significant damage was reported. If there had been significant damage on New Caledonia or Lord Howe Island, then I would probably support the nomination. As a point of technicality which was also mentioned by HiLo48, Severe Tropical Cyclone Uesi was not an out-of-season event. February–March is peak tropical cyclone season in the Southern Hemisphere. ChocolateTrain (talk) 07:23, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Strong Oppose as Uesi is no shere near the level required for in the news with barely any impact reported.Jason Rees (talk) 09:05, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose not seeing any real newsworthiness to level of encyclopedic main page inclusion. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 16:50, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose This is the first I'm hearing about any cyclones, considering I live in New Zealand, so this could hardly be news anywhere else if it's not here. There has also been hardly any damage, so the notability is not there.  Nixinova  T  C   22:54, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
  • oppose Not a notable TC by any means. NoahTalk 23:39, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

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Coastal GasLink Pipeline protests[edit]

Article: Coastal GasLink Pipeline#Protests (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Following several days of protests blockading rail lines across Canada, Via Rail announces the shutdown of most of its passenger rail service until further notice.
Alternative blurb: Via Rail, Canada's only nationwide passenger train service, announces a suspension of all services with the exception of two northern routes after several days of protests opposing a gas pipeline project in British Columbia that crosses the territory of Wetʼsuwetʼen First Nation.
Alternative blurb II: ​The Coastal GasLink Pipeline protests shut down the Canadian passenger train service Via Rail.
Alternative blurb III: ​The Coastal GasLink Pipeline protests shut down Canadian passenger train service and much of the Canadian freight rail network.
News source(s): CBC, Global News, CTV, BBC, Al Jazeera
Article updated

 2607:FEA8:1DDF:FEE1:7504:B465:858D:639A (talk) 04:27, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

  • technical note: I use a shifting IP with Rogers telecom. If I make a future comment as original nom and my IP has changed, I will use the tag (~AH1) in my comments prior to my IP signature, to indicate my former editor's account. 2607:FEA8:1DDF:FEE1:7504:B465:858D:639A (talk) 04:27, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Strong support - Lengthy and high-quality article, major news event and first entire rail stoppage in the country in decades. Obvious yes from me. (talk) 07:35, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose only related to a single country, namely Canada. This event needs to involve other countries, like US or UK. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:30, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
Pardon? WaltCip (talk) 12:30, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
This is the same IP block that nominated the Trump impeachment for removal hours after the CAA protests were removed. I think it can be safely ignored. --LaserLegs (talk) 15:44, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose unlike past protests we have posted, this is more a sit in, nonviolent protest of interminable size. Not in the same class as others, --Masem (t) 12:19, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
    • I'm changing to a Support on improvements based on the explanations better in BBC than our article of the extent of the impact. Both freight and passenger trains schedules are disrupted so to me, this is like the Yellow vests movement from France that we did support. But the article needs improvement to address that scale of impact. --Masem (t) 16:31, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose – Unsee coverage on major RS sites. – Sca (talk) 13:53, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Support article is good enough. Front page at Via shut down all passenger rail nation wide due to protests in the BC interior this is actually a pretty big deal. Why the hell are anti-pipeline protesters interrupting rail service? --LaserLegs (talk) 15:30, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Weak Support on quality, article appears to be fine. On significance, while these protests may be behaving differently from how protests would occur in other parts of the world, there's a long tradition in Canada that this is how First Nations protest. While it's been done before, I don't believe they've ever shut down our national rail service before, however, and that is where this rises to the level of significance required for ITN. NorthernFalcon (talk) 16:16, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
I remember them closing the 401 out near cornwall years ago --LaserLegs (talk) 16:36, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Alt blurb 1's a good try, but it's not quite long enough. Just another 21 words and it'll match the length of all the current blurbs combined. —Cryptic 16:47, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Article is good quality, updated, and the story is a major news story on several outlets. Added another Alt2 --Jayron32 16:58, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose Although it's a good article, it lacks sufficient notability to be shown as ITN, but yes in Current Events. Important for Canada, but little else. I think that the way to protest of "First Nations", as someone says above, has no relevance to consider whether it is important or not. (Alsoriano97) (talk) 17:57, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
Unsee even on main CBC page today. Getting a bit stale, eh? – Sca (talk) 15:00, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
Um, it is on the front page of CBC, and is likely to remain so until resolution. There is also a pretty good CNN article which explains the situation reasonably well. - Tenebris (talk) 21:51, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
On my (PC) screen, the CBC site displays 30 articles, including one with the hammer-head "Trains vs. pipelines," but nothing on protests. – Sca (talk) 00:00, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
Something you already knew, but which I should post publicly in case others didn't realize the irrelevance of your comment: News websites generally post a personalized view of their main page based on a number of factors, and whether or not a particular story appears prominently for you has little bearing on whether or not the story is being covered by in-depth articles. If one wants to know what sort of prominence a story is getting, one needs to look at the number, length, and depth of stories covering a topic from a wide variety of sources, not just what one's personal view of the world is. --Jayron32 12:13, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
Good point-out, Jayron. Dodging those algorithms (Google too!) is one of the major reasons I clear cookies and caches multiple times a session and never use a news feed. Otherwise I find that I am just getting "echo-chamber" articles. (Disclaimer - I actually learned about this in the first place because I coincidentally happened to be in Toronto, in Union Station, waiting for a train, on the day when it started. I asked various staff what was going on, and they told me. I managed to get home on what turned out to be one of the last trains before the system-wide shutdown. Job-related travel has been ... interesting ... ever since. (Plus, February is always particularly busy for VIA Rail because the corridor includes more than a million university and college students, all of whom have a Reading Week equivalent during February (or early March on the Québec side of the provincial border), and at times it seems like most of them hold student rail passes.) In passing, Toronto Union Station is proximate to one of Toronto's Chinatowns, and Toronto has reason to remember SARS vividly. Here and now, the combination made for large crowds, with lots of masks.) - Tenebris (talk) 13:10, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment Based on all my experience in ITN, my dropping in here will be the kiss of death. Nonetheless, for context, I will mention that CNR is the third largest railway in North America (not just Canada) by operating revenue and the fourth largest by mileage. During the past week, approximately half of its rail was blocked, and a third of its rail remains shut down. Additionally, during the past week, half of all the container ports in Canada were blockaded (two still are on an on-again off-again basis), and the CPR rail line was also briefly blocked. CNR has stated that it expects to lay off 6,000 people as a direct result. Those layoffs have already started. For reference, the total employment of CNR is 24,000.
(As an amusing note, US domestic policy considers Canadian oil "domestic". Twenty percent of that oil is carried at least partly on CNR rails -- so yes, much of that is at a standstill as well. Not quite so amusing is that much of Canada depends on heating supplies delivered by rail. There have been extreme cold warnings in Canada this week and last.)
As noted in one of the blurbs, VIA Rail is the only cross-Canada intercity passenger service: the VIA Rail domestic services which remain running serve fewer than 5% of all Canadians. Several of the commuter train lines for all three of Canada's largest cities have been intermittently shut down as well. (At one point last week, Amtrak had to cancel its Cascade service to Vancouver because of this.) There is no Canadian Greyhound (intercity bus) service in most of Canada by geography (shut down by Greyhound last October, including the cross-country routes). Contrasting with the 401 shutdown, where alternate roads were not blocked, there simply are no alternate rail lines for most of this region.
As to violence -- well, the last major Canadian protest which had (2) deaths was the Winnipeg general strike of 1919, more than a century ago. It involved 30,000 people (roughly 0.5% of the total population of Canada at the time) and had about 80 or so arrests. The current protests have already exceeded that number of arrests, with roughly 0.5% of the population of Canada protesting. The numbers involved are not really obvious because Canada is so large geographically compared to its population, because the protests are scattered throughout Canada (some of the larger protests were in Vancouver, Victoria, Toronto, and London), and because the rail blockades and many of the arrests are happening in remote areas. Quite simply, Canada has 1/30 the population of India, but 3x the geographic size. - Tenebris (talk) 21:51, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
The only thing keeping this off the main page is the one sentence update. Expand it, we can rightly ignore the "it's only Canada" opposes per Please do not "oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country". You have the power to do it, just add some details and up it goes. Easy! --LaserLegs (talk) 13:22, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
?? I looked at it, and all the information was already there. I did clean up the structure of the article -- lede, sections, removed duplication of information, and so forth. - Tenebris (talk) 14:09, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Update - article should be ready for posting. I also added an alternate blurb (3) to include the impact on freight rail traffic. For other impacts, readers can access the article. - Tenebris (talk) 15:58, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

  • Support for Alt1 blurb which provides the best context for the incident. The Wetʼsuwetʼen First Nation page could use a bit more article expansion, but it's satisfactory that I'd support linking it. Sleath56 (talk) 07:30, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Quick summary of arguments.
Pro - extremely large-scale transportation/economic disruption in Canada, major First Nations protest, uniqueness within Canada.
Con - Non-violent, only affects Canada, does not appear in (my) newsfeed/news webview, and "stale".
Article is completely up to date. Event still continues in full this week, with no end in sight. Some administrator really should make an objective assessment of the validity of each of these claims sometime before the shutdown completes its third week. - Tenebris (talk) 16:34, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Better article than many other candidates. While the logistic disruptions mainly affect Canada, the underlying conflict plays out the world over. Also, I consider "non-violent" a pro rather than a con.-- (talk) 20:59, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

(Stale) RD: Rajendra K. Pachauri[edit]

Now stale.
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Article: Rajendra K. Pachauri (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): News18

Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: Needs copyediting and neutrality issue with one section should be fixed. Nizil (talk) 18:14, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
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(Closed) Antarctica temperature record[edit]

No consensus to post.-- P-K3 (talk) 15:38, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
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Article: Climate of Antarctica (talk, history)
Blurb: ​The warmest temperature in Antarctica is recorded at Seymour Island
Alternative blurb: ​At Seymour Island a temperature of over 20 °C (68 °F) is recorded in Antarctica for the first time
Alternative blurb II: ​A temperature of 20.75 °C (69.35 °F) is recorded at Seymour Island, the highest recorded in Antarctica.
News source(s): Guardian
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Record held since 1982 2A00:23C5:508F:3E01:31E6:12F4:842B:25C (talk) 17:19, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Strong support - Any major climate news like this needs to be posted.--WaltCip (talk) 17:25, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Very strong support - This is MAJOR. This needs to be in ITN IMMEDIATELY! Minecrafter0271 (talk) 18:01, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose on quality (several tags, and no mention of this new record). Neutral on significance - isn't it just going to keep getting incrementally warmer? Prior record was set...ONE WEEK AGO?! GreatCaesarsGhost 18:33, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
    • Misread that. Prior record for Seymour Island was 1982. A new record was set on the mainland a week ago. GreatCaesarsGhost 18:37, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
  • support - newsworthy. BabbaQ (talk) 20:19, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Support when problems are addressed climate change is an existential threat to us all. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:22, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose on article quality. Multiple tags and unsourced claims. Weak Support on merits once the various quality issues are resolved. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:30, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose unless we're going to make this ITN each time it happens, then it may as well be in ITNR... -- Rockstonetalk to me! 21:10, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose Arbitrary record? Obviously its getting warmer, global warming and all that, but just reading the Guardian, there's about four or five asterisks to add to this (its not mainland Antarctica, for example). I'm all for major irreversible events like if/when a major ice shelf breaks off, but this is just a trend here. --Masem (t) 21:13, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose missing refs, weak update. Then ongoing. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:12, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
    Ongoing? Antarctica is probably going to get steadily warmer for the next several decades at least...  — Amakuru (talk) 23:39, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose Largely per Masem's arbitrary record about a trend argument. PackMecEng (talk) 00:00, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Strong Oppose Not significant news. Only related to single area, namely Antartica. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:28, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Strong Oppose - this is horribly misleading (the latitude of the site is such that it's meaningless in terms of "climate change") and should not be given the benefit of being on the main page. While "climate change" is a verifiable phenomenon, this sort of irresponsibly sensationalized junk should not be given any sort of visibility on Wikipedia. What other news organizations choose to do or ignore to further their own POV doesn't matter here. (talk) 01:10, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
How the heck do you sensationalize a temperature reading? What sort of news are you looking for, water coming up to the doorstep of houses in Miami? WaltCip (talk) 02:06, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose Article not ready, significance doubtful. – Ammarpad (talk) 04:27, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose I was leaning support, given that it's a record and the quality of the article, until the I read the comments here. 64S is not even in the Antarctic Circle! I guess WGR goes right out the window for certain subjects. (talk) 06:33, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Per above. Just DYK. MSN12102001 (talk) 12:04, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose – At most a statistical footnote in the history of global warming/climate change. – Sca (talk) 13:57, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Anne Windfohr Marion[edit]

Article: Anne Windfohr Marion (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): American Quarter Horse Association

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Texas rancher and philanthropist. Refs look ok. Died on 12 February. Jip Orlando (talk) 16:53, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Support Looks good to go. --Jayron32 18:40, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment. I've done some edits for tense & tone, but still seems to need some sourcing. Espresso Addict (talk) 00:36, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment @Jip Orlando and Jayron32: Looks like EA added one cn tag; would either of you be able to take care of it? Kees08 (Talk) 16:43, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
    • I spent some time searching online and was unable to find citations for either cn tag. SpencerT•C 03:02, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
    • I could not verify them either. In the interest of timing for posting, I have removed the uncited information. Removing them doesn't detract from the article much. Jip Orlando (talk) 13:35, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose two citation needed tags. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 17:04, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
  • plus Posted just before it became stale — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:15, 18 February 2020 (UTC)


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