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This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. Under each daily section header below is the transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day (with a light green header). Each day's portal page is followed by a subsection for suggestions and discussion.

Ural Airlines Airbus A321 in 2013 At least 80 people are killed in a bombing at a wedding in Kabul, Afghanistan. All 233 people on board Ural Airlines Flight 178 (aircraft pictured) survive a crash following bird strikes in both engines of an Airbus A321. Typhoon Lekima impacts the Philippines, the Ryukyu Islands, Taiwan and East China, killing at least 80 people. At least 75 people are killed and more than 50 others injured in a fuel tanker truck explosion in Morogoro, Tanzania. Ongoing: Hong Kong protests Recent deaths: Guo Zhenqian Damodar Ganesh Bapat Felice Gimondi V. B. Chandrasekhar Vidya Sinha Frank Tsao view - page history - related changes - edit

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August 21

Portal:Current events/2019 August 21

Current events of August 21, 2019 (2019-08-21) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Yemeni Civil War (2015–present) A United States MQ-9 military drone is reportedly shot down in Yemen's Dhamar Governorate. A Houthi spokesperson claims responsibility and adds they used a locally developed missile. (Reuters) Business and economy United States federal budget The Congressional Budget Office forecasts a deficit of US$1 trillion in 2020, up from the previous estimate of $892 billion. (The New York Times) International relations 2019 Persian Gulf crisis, Australia–United States relations Australia announces that it has agreed to join the United States' coalition, along with the United Kingdom and Bahrain, to prevent Iran from targeting ships travelling through the Strait of Hormuz. Australia will deploy a Boeing P-8 Poseidon and a frigate. (The Sydney Morning Herald) Denmark–United States relations Queen Margrethe II of Denmark expresses surprise at U.S. President Donald Trump's abrupt cancellation of his planned visit to her country. Experts on the royal house call the move an act of "disrespect" as illness was not the apparent cause. (TV2) Law and crime Catholic Church sexual abuse cases in Australia The Supreme Court of Victoria rejects an appeal made by Cardinal George Pell against a six-year jail sentence for child sexual abuse. (The Guardian) The Foreign Ministry of China confirms that United Kingdom consulate in Hong Kong employee Simon Cheng, who was reported missing, is administratively detained for 15 days by Shenzhen police. (CNN)

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RD: Russ Conway (journalist)

Article: Russ Conway (journalist) (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Star

• Updated and nominated by DBigXray (talk • give credit)

Article updated
Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Pulitzer prize winner finalist, Start Class article with good sourcing DBigXrayᗙ 15:54, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

• Correction: He was nominated for a Pulitzer Prize, but did not win. However, he was honored with the Elmer Ferguson Memorial Award, which is the journalist's equivalent of the Hockey Hall of Fame. Flibirigit (talk) 16:10, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

• Thanks Flibirigit, corrected. It doesnt matter for this discussion though. Cheers.--DBigXrayᗙ 16:39, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

• Support: Everything in the article looks reasonably well-referenced, although I did see a slight over-reliance on references #1 and #5 (as 45% of the citations in the article link to one of those two refs, out of 14 total sources). I don't think that's a problem in terms of the article's nomination to RD, but I figured it was worth mentioning just in case. TheHardestAspectOfCreatingAnAccountIsAlwaysTheUsername 18:00, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

RD: Giovanni Buttarelli

Article: Giovanni Buttarelli (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Politico

• Updated and nominated by DBigXray (talk • give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Start Class article with good sourcing DBigXrayᗙ 15:35, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

RD: Babulal Gaur

Article: Babulal Gaur (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): News18

• Updated and nominated by DBigXray (talk • give credit)

Article updated
Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Start Class article. Sourcing needs work. Elected 10 times, ex CM. Stated "Drinking is a fundamental right", so he was my kind of man. DBigXrayᗙ 06:07, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose As you say, sourcing needs work. It looks like 2/3 of the article is not footnoted. Also, I hope "His education qualification was B.A. LLB" can be expanded. Rockphed (talk) 12:14, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

August 20

Portal:Current events/2019 August 20

Current events of August 20, 2019 (2019-08-20) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian Civil War, 2019 Northwestern Syria offensive The Al-Qaeda-linked faction Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) acknowledges "a redeployment" south of the strategic town of Khan Shaykhun. (AP News) Media close to the government reports that the Syrian Army has entered the northern sector of the town of Khan Shaykhun, following the reported HTS withdrawal. (Al-Masdar) Health and environment The Spanish Ministry of Health declares an outbreak of listeriosis in Andalusia as a national health alert after cases are reported in Asturias, Madrid, Catalonia and Extremadura, including one death. (RTVE) International relations 2019 Venezuelan presidential crisis Nicolás Maduro confirms United States reports that top Venezuelan officials have been having secret meetings with members of the Trump administration. Maduro claims the talks encourage Trump to listen to him; United States sources claim the talks encourage Maduro supporters to defect. (The Guardian) Proposed United States purchase of Greenland U.S. President Donald Trump cancels his September state visit to Denmark because Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen says she has no interest in discussing the purchase of Greenland. (BBC) India–Pakistan relations, Kashmir dispute Pakistan asks the United Nations Security Council to meet over India's decision to revoke Article 370 of the Indian Constitution that gives special status to the Indian State of Jammu and Kashmir, the sovereignty of which has been in dispute between India, Pakistan, and China since 1947. (BBC) (NDTV) (APP) Law and crime Crime in Brazil Thirty-seven passengers on a bus over Rio–Niterói Bridge, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, are held hostage before police shoot dead the armed hijacker. After closer inspection, police discover the hijacker used a fake plastic gun. (BBC) (Extra) Former professional basketball player Mateen Cleaves is acquitted of several sex crimes in a court in his hometown of Flint, Michigan. (MLive) (WJRT-TV) A modification of the Volcker rule is approved by the OCC and the FDIC. The new version eases rules on proprietary trading by Wall Street banks but is criticized by consumer groups who see risks for the protections on taxpayer money. (Reuters) The Texas Department of Information Resources reports the computer systems of 23 towns in the state were hit by a ransomware attack on August 16. "One single threat actor" is suspected. (Insider) Politics and elections Politics of Italy, Conte Cabinet Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte resigns. He criticizes Deputy Prime Minister, Matteo Salvini, accusing him of sinking the ruling coalition for personal and political gain. (Reuters) Science and technology List of unmanned aerial vehicles The Russian Ministry of Defence announces that the six-tonne satellite-controlled reconnaissance drone Altius-U has performed its maiden flight. (TASS) Sports Expansion of Major League Soccer Major League Soccer, the top level of the men's sport in the U.S., announces that a team in St. Louis, Missouri will become the league's 28th team, most likely in 2022. The ownership group, led by several female members of the Taylor family that controls the Enterprise Holdings car rental company, is the first in MLS in which women hold a majority interest. (ESPN)

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Giuseppe Conte

Article: Giuseppe Conte (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Giuseppe Conte resigns as Prime Minister of Italy.
News source(s): CNN, BBC, NYT, AP, WX Post

• Nominated by Davey2116 (talk • give credit)

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Another Italian government kicks the bucket. Davey2116 (talk) 16:38, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

• Comment If I am reading these articles right, this is the announcement of the plan to resign. If that's right, let's wait until he actually does. --Masem (t) 16:49, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
• Weak Oppose (for now) I agree with Masem: when he actually does announce, this would be better to post (pending the update of his wiki article) --mike_gigs (talk) 17:15, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose As I understand things, this is just a formality preliminary to a general election. The election and any change in government is what we would post. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:21, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
• Removed the ITNR tag - "Changes to the head of government are discussed on their own merits." GreatCaesarsGhost 17:36, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
• Comment – He's "tendered his resignation," but has been asked to stay on as a caretaker PM until ... the ice cream melts?
  A separate article on 2019 Italian Political Crisis would be appropriate. (Ongoing?) – Sca (talk) 20:31, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose local politics; userbase bias. Italy is a country of 60 million people and is not a great power. We can't possibly post every time some government resigns in some country somewhere in the world. 5.44.170.9 (talk) 21:27, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

  Of course we can. Opposing based on population and perception of "great power"ness is absurd. This will, however, be posted once a new head is elected. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 22:34, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

  For example, the UK and France are both permanent security council members, yet they have "small" populations as well. Your reasoning is really absurd. --BoothSiftTalks 06:19, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

  In response to the IP editor, we post about every country, big or small. That said, it's bizarre to consider Italy - the 23rd largest by population out of 193 UN member states - to be too irrelevant for ITN. That would be an example of what you call "userbase bias." Cheers,  Vanilla  Wizard  💙 07:44, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose For now until he actually resigns--BoothSiftTalks 06:19, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
• Comment I have no strong opinions waiting until the resignation actually occurs, but I do recall us posting Theresa May's intentions to resign long before she officially did so & certainly before the leadership election produced a replacement.  Vanilla  Wizard  💙 07:34, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
• Question: does anyone know how long it is likely to take to select the successor? I'm hesitant to post the same story twice in rapid succession, but a change of PM in a G8 country is important enough for ITN and it's in the mainstream media now. If the process will take more than a couple of weeks, I support a blurb that says 'announces his intention to resign once a successor has been selected' or similar wording. If a successor will be in place faster than that, I prefer to wait for a combined blurb. Modest Genius ^talk 11:13, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Without having spend the effort to actually see what is going on, it looks like the last PM to resign mid-term took 3 days between announcement and resignation. The PM before that tendered resignation 13 Feb 2014, had it accepted on 14 Feb, Matteo Renzi formed a government on the 21st, was sworn in on the 22th, and received parliamentary support on the 25th. So we probably have about 2 weeks before the new PM takes office and this leaves the news. Then again, it might result in a new general election which will take months to sort everything out. As a note, the last time an Italian PM resigned without a general election we didn't post the resignation but did post the replacement.Rockphed (talk) 13:03, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Part of the problem is that Italian prime ministers resign with numbing regularity – there have been nearly 60 since WWII.
– Sca (talk) 14:49, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Interstellar iron-60 detected in Antarctic snow

Article: iron-60 (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Interstellar iron-60 detected in Antarctic snow
News source(s): PRL, CNN

• Nominated by Count Iblis (talk • give credit)

Article updated

 Count Iblis (talk) 12:00, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose. Interstellar 60Fe on Earth was discovered 20 years ago [1] and has been confirmed several times e.g. [2]. Finding it in Antarctic snow rather than sea floor sediments does not justify an ITN blurb. Modest Genius ^talk 12:13, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per MG. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 12:57, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per Modest Genius. The discovery on Earth would have been ITN-worthy but confirming its presence in the snow of Antarctica is not.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:22, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose No need for this to be include in ITN as per MG--BoothSiftTalks 06:18, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
• Snow way. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 12:27, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

August 19

Portal:Current events/2019 August 19

Current events of August 19, 2019 (2019-08-19) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian Civil War; 2019 Northwestern Syria offensive Syrian Air Force warplanes repeatedly strike a Turkish military convoy driving through the rebel-held region of Idlib, reportedly causing several casualties and forcing it to stop. Turkey claims the convoy was aiming to supply observation posts, while Syria accuses it of carrying weapons and ammunition to rebel groups. (BBC) (The National) The Syrian Army enters the strategic town of Khan Shaykhun in the Idlib Governorate for the first time since losing control of the town to rebels in 2014, according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights. (Middle East Monitor) Arts and culture The biggest multi-storey bicycle parking in the world, with a capacity of 12,500 bikes, opens near Utrecht Centraal railway station, the Netherlands. (SmartCitiesWorld) (The Guardian) Disasters and accidents Deforestation in Brazil After fifteen days of raging fires in the Amazon Forest in Rondônia, thick smoke clouds cover the Brazilian city of São Paulo in darkness. Street lamps had to be lit in the city around 2PM. The fires, suspected to be intentional, are still burning the forest. (G1) International relations 2019 Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests; Cross-Strait relations China condemns Taiwan after President Tsai Ing-wen offered support and asylum to Hong Kong protesters facing prosecution in Hong Kong courts. (Al Arabiya) Twitter says it has suspended more than 200,000 automated accounts on the social media site that it believes were part of a Chinese government-run campaign to spread misinformation about the protests in Hong Kong. (ABC News) Law and crime 2016–present purges in Turkey Turkey's Ministry of the Interior tweets that 418 people in 29 provinces are detained by police, for suspected links with the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK). The authorities have also announced that they "replaced" the mayors of three major southeastern cities. (Reuters) Former President of Sudan Omar al-Bashir appears in court for the first time at a Khartoum court to face corruption charges. (Al Arabiya) Women's rights in El Salvador Evelyn Hernández is acquitted of murder after her newly-born child was found deceased in a toilet. The ruling is being held as a landmark case decision for women's rights in El Salvador, which has one of the strongest anti-abortion laws in Central America. (BBC) Politics and elections The Palestinian Authority bans LGBT activities in the West Bank in anticipation of an upcoming Al Qaws event. (Jerusalem Post) In a two-hour meeting with his cabinet. US President Donald Trump discusses how to assuage the anger of America's farmers on his decision to loosen the nation's biofuels blending laws, making life easier for the refinery industry at the expense of agriculture. (Reuters) Science and technology Astronomers led by a team from McGill University in Montreal announce the detection of eight new repeating fast radio bursts (FRBs) using the Canadian Hydrogen Intensity Mapping Experiment (CHIME) radio telescope. The astronomers report they also found complex morphologies and downward-drifting sub-bursts in some of the eight new FRBs. (Phys.org)

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(Posted) RD: Guo Zhenqian

Article: Guo Zhenqian (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): The Paper

• Updated and nominated by Zanhe (talk • give credit)

Article updated
Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article is fully sourced. Died on 13 August, but announced on 19th. Zanhe (talk) 07:39, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

• Comment The article appears to be in good shape, however, 3 of the 4 sources are in Chinese with no obvious translations available. It would be appropriate that a native bilingual check before posting.130.233.3.115 (talk) 07:51, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

• He is mentioned in plenty of English sources, but I haven't added them because they're not detailed enough. See this book, for example, which does mention some of his major positions. -Zanhe (talk) 08:17, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

• Support Happy to AGF on the sources based on Zanhe's previous work. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 08:05, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 11:56, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

RD: Mohammed Zahur Khayyam

Article: Mohammed Zahur Khayyam (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): NDTV

• Updated and nominated by DBigXray (talk • give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Start Class article. Sourcing needs work. Music composer. DBigXrayᗙ 18:25, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose Entire paragraphs are unreferenced, including the entire Early Life section as I am aware. You are indeed correct that sourcing needs work. --BoothSiftTalks 00:15, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
• Support Notable singer of India who left a good legacy. However, I agree that paragraphs need sourcing as person is recently passed away.— Harshil ^{want to talk?} 07:33, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose nowhere near ready. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 08:05, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
• Support One of the best known music composers of India who has received state funerals and numerous national awards during his career Manish2542 (talk) 19:42, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

  No-one is questioning the notability, but the article is junk. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 22:35, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

RD: Jagannath Mishra

Article: Jagannath Mishra (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): The Hindu

• Updated and nominated by DBigXray (talk • give credit)

Article updated
Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Start Class article with good sourcing DBigXrayᗙ 08:36, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

• Weak oppose sourcing poor in some areas. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 08:46, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Tense problems and general language issues throughout. Many terms ("lahks[lots?] of teachers", "mince his words", "the Center", "draconian", etc.) are not understood outside of India, editorial, or otherwise problematic. Many of the claims, especially in the lede, seem hagiographical, and I am not in a position to know whether they are true because there is no source for them. I assume that the suffix "-ji" to a name indicates then unsuffixed person in the Bihar Press Bill section; this makes for rather confusing reading. The Publications section is lacking entirely. It's a little suspicious that someone with so long a publication history would not have a single reference to even one.130.233.3.115 (talk) 10:14, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

 Working 130.233.3.115 thanks for reviewing. I have removed lakhs (FYI lakh =0.1 million). The suffix ji is honorific, and I have removed them. Lack of sources may be attributed to Internet WP:BIAS. I am working to fix your other concerns as well. Some help in copy editing will be appreciated. --DBigXrayᗙ 10:30, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

August 18

Portal:Current events/2019 August 18

Current events of August 18, 2019 (2019-08-18) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks War in Afghanistan 17 August 2019 Kabul bombing ISIL claims responsibility for a terrorist attack against a wedding party in Afghanistan the day prior, which left 63 people dead and over 200 injured. (The Guardian) International relations Iran–United States relations; United Kingdom–United States relations Gibraltar authorities reject the request by the U.S. to seize the Iranian oil tanker Grace 1. They argue that EU, not U.S. law, is applicable in Gibraltar. The tanker is also renamed. (Al Arabiya) Politics and elections 2019 Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests The organizers claim that at least 1.7 million people join a peaceful rally in Victoria Park, Hong Kong. Protesters spill into nearby streets, with train service intermittently suspended due to the sheer number of people. (The Guardian)

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RD: Jack Whitaker

Article: Jack Whitaker (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): ESPN NBC

• Updated and nominated by DBigXray (talk • give credit)

Article updated
Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Start Class article. I am working to improve the sourcing. DBigXrayᗙ 05:34, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose sourcing far from adequate. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 08:44, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

RD: Kathleen Blanco

Article: Kathleen Blanco (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): NYT, CBS News

• Nominated by Davey2116 (talk • give credit)

Article needs updating
Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American politician, former governor of Louisiana (2004–08) dies at age 76. Article needs lots of work. Davey2116 (talk) 00:06, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose Not in close shape for posting. --Masem (t) 00:21, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per Masem. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 08:44, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

2019 Canary Islands wildfires

Article: 2019 Canary Islands wildfires (talk, history)
Blurb: ​9000 people are evacuated from their homes due to the second wildfire within a week in Gran Canaria, the worst to hit Spain in the last six years.
News source(s): BBC, Euronews, Sky News, El País, AP, Guardian, AFP

• Nominated by Vishal dh (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: This is a significant event in Spain; it is being covered by all national news outlets as well as significant international ones. In addition, the Canary Islands are a popular summer tourist destination, although tourism has not yet been affected by the events. Vishal dh (talk) 10:03, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose local event that happens commonly, without casualty figure or anyother reason that makes it notable of blurb. --DBigXrayᗙ 10:10, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
• Comment – Some 8,000 evacuated; fires said to be "out of control," spreading. (Two sources added.) – Sca (talk) 13:37, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Should this cause significant damage then it would make sense to post, but just the existence of wildfires or the evacuation order isn't sufficient for posting. --Masem (t) 16:42, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
• Wait As of right now it has not yet caused sufficient damage to be internationally notable. However, if the fire threatens a major population centre, or if the fire destroys the UNESCO site on Gran Canaria, then that would change. And I will note that the fire is rather close to both of those. NorthernFalcon (talk) 18:13, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
• Wait per Masem & NorthernFalcon. Modest Genius ^talk 18:22, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
• Wait – No fatalities (yet), but this 24,000-acre (38 sq. mi.) wildfire remains out of control despite 1,000 firefighters and 14 water-dropping helicopters and planes. By any standard – including those of the Western U.S. – that's major. Let's keep an eye on it. – Sca (talk) 14:01, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

PS: Possibly a candidate for Ongoing. – Sca (talk) 14:05, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

• Support Didn't take long for the California fires to be posted, as I remember that was before reports of people dying, and I think a good part of an entire island with threats to a WHS is more important internationally and historically than celebrities' houses, as sad as any kind of destruction is.

And I'm pretty sure the Tenerife fire on the 18/19 was actually within the Teide UNESCO WHS already. Kingsif (talk) 17:26, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

@Kingsif: fwiw the California wildfires in November 2018 (I'm assuming its these, specifically the Woolsey Fire because of the celebrity homes) were posted with 25 confirmed deaths and the near-total destruction of Paradise, CA in the Camp Fire. It was nominated when the destruction became evident, and the deaths were confirmed by the time it gained support for posting. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 09:59, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Which is fair and sad, but a wildfire in one of two island volcano WHS (not caused by the volcano) and another WHS that only got designated this year is also pretty tragic, whether there's people killed or towns destroyed. Kingsif (talk) 14:04, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

• Comment – Number of evacuated grown to 9000, affected area grown to 10,000 ha (over 6% of the entire island). Article updated to reflect latest information. Vishal dh (talk) 05:56, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

August 17

Portal:Current events/2019 August 17

Current events of August 17, 2019 (2019-08-17) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks War in Afghanistan 17 August 2019 Kabul bombing 63 people are killed and 182 wounded in a suicide attack at a wedding party in Kabul, Afghanistan. The attacker set off explosives among the invitees. (Al Arabiya) Politics and elections Aftermath of the 2018–19 Sudanese protests The ruling military and the civilian opposition formally sign a power-sharing deal establishing a three-year transition period towards the election of a civilian government. (Al Jazeera) 2019 Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests Thousands of school teachers join the 11th weekend of anti-government protests in Hong Kong. (Reuters) A rally of far-right groups such as the Proud Boys and Patriot Prayer is met by left-wing Antifa in Portland, Oregon. (The New York Times) The Argentinian Treasury Minister, Nicolás Dujovne, resigns after incumbent President Mauricio Macri's loss in a primary vote saw Argentina's peso fall to record lows. (Bloomberg) Science and technology China announces the successful first launch of the Smart Dragon-1 carrier rocket. (Reuters)

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RD: Cedric Benson

Article: Cedric Benson (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): CNN

• Updated and nominated by DBigXray (talk • give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: C Class article with good sourcing DBigXrayᗙ 08:59, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose whole unreferenced paras, and Early life (for instance), whole section unref. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 09:01, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

RD: Kip Addotta

Article: Kip Addotta (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): THR

• Nominated by Masem (talk • give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Comedina frequently on Carson, but probably his legacy is the pun-filled song "Wet Dream". Article is almost there, releases need sources. While died on 13th, family only just announced his death on 17th. Masem (t) 15:46, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

• Support from this Dementoid. Newyorkbrad (talk) 16:53, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose article looks incomplete (mainly about personal life) and insufficiently sourced. -Zanhe (talk) 01:47, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose inadequate sourcing. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 08:43, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) 17 August 2019 Kabul bombing

Article: 17 August 2019 Kabul bombing (talk, history)
Blurb: ​63 non-British/American people were killed in Kabul bombing.
Alternative blurb: ​At least 63 people are killed in a bombing of a wedding in Kabul, Afghanistan.
News source(s): Al Jazeera, AP, BBC, Guardian, AFP

• Nominated by Abutalub (talk • give credit)

 Abutalub (talk) 10:44, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

• Support alt blurb. This news is the headline of every news site across the world. --DBigXrayᗙ 11:22, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
• Support - headline news.BabbaQ (talk) 12:48, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
• Support – in principle due to high mortality. However, two-thirds of the current article consists of comments from assembled notables, while descriptive text is a spare 170 words. Further, the article's statement that "there were no immediate claims of responsibility" is misleading, as RS reports from AP, BBC, the Guardian and AFP say the local 'IS' affiliate claimed responsibility. – Sca (talk) 14:06, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
• Support - High casualty, hence notable as well - Sherenk1 (talk) 13:04, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
• Weak support - not the most comprehensive article imaginable but covers the bases satisfactorily. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 14:14, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
• Posted - Article may be short but that's about as much as major sources are reporting this morning, so should be fine. --Masem (t) 15:17, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

  Masem Don't link Afghanistan please. Common geographical location. Plus, consistency in the template too. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 15:24, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

  Fixed. --Masem (t) 15:27, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

• What a terrible blurb. Who proposed this first blurb? – Ammarpad (talk) 15:36, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AIn_the_news%2FCandidates&type=revision&diff=911353180&oldid=911341836 --5.44.170.9 (talk) 15:58, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Snide. – Sca (talk) 20:48, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

• Post-posting comment – Still quite thin. – Sca (talk) 20:52, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
  • I spot checked the latest news on this and there's not much else to say, that doesn't get into politicizing the incident (which is mostly speculation on the current US-Afghanistan talks, which we shouldn't post.) --Masem (t) 20:56, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
• User:Masem please make it 80 dead and 160 injured : src reuters--DBigXrayᗙ 13:02, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
  • FWIW fixes like these should goes to WP:ERRORS (so more eyes see it). --Masem (t) 13:24, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Damodar Ganesh Bapat

Article: Damodar Ganesh Bapat (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): NDTV

• Updated and nominated by DBigXray (talk • give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Start Class article with excellent sourcing. Indian social worker. DBigXrayᗙ 08:33, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

• Weak support very brief, but what's there is satis. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 14:16, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

The Rambling Man thanks for the feedback, I have further expanded the article. --DBigXrayᗙ 16:05, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

• Support - looks fine. -Zanhe (talk) 01:49, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
• Support – Ammarpad (talk) 03:37, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 05:17, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

August 16

Portal:Current events/2019 August 16

Current events of August 16, 2019 (2019-08-16) (Friday) International relations Proposed United States purchase of Greenland In response to reports that U.S. President Donald Trump expressed interest in the United States acquiring Greenland, Greenland's Foreign Minister Ane Lone Bagger dismisses the idea, noting on Twitter that "a better and more equal partnership with Denmark should be the way forward for a stronger and longer-term free Greenland". (BBC News) (Reuters) Israel–United States relations According to Israel's Interior ministry, U.S. Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib sends a letter to Israeli Interior Minister Aryeh Deri, asking for permission to visit her elderly grandmother in the West Bank. Tlaib's request was approved on the condition that she "not advance boycott activities for the duration of her visit". Tlaib later declines to come, saying she won't let Israel impose "oppressive conditions" on her. (CNN) Law and crime Death of Jeffrey Epstein The death of accused sexual trafficker Jeffrey Epstein is ruled a suicide by hanging by the New York City Office of the Chief Medical Examiner. Epstein's attorneys say they will be conducting their own investigation into his death. (CNN)

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RD: Richard Williams (animator)

Article: Richard Williams (animator) (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): BBC

• Nominated by The Rambling Man (talk • give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Multiple award-winning director. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 17:02, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose. Filmography needs more sourcing and there's no prose about his death, just a single reference in the lede. Spengouli (talk) 18:44, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

RD: José Nápoles

Article: José Nápoles (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): ESPN

• Updated and nominated by DBigXray (talk • give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Boxing legend. " one of the greatest fighters of all time". Start Class article, sourcing needs some volunteers. DBigXrayᗙ 15:16, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

• Comment Generally regarded as one of the great welterweight fighters. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:12, August 17, 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose almost entirely unreferenced. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 11:53, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose There are 7 sources listed, but it looks like none of them are in the main article text. Rockphed (talk) 19:51, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

RD: Peter Fonda

Article: Peter Fonda (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): NBC News

• Nominated by Masem (talk • give credit)

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 Masem (t) 23:23, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

• Comment I can see someone arguing for a blurb here , but before we go that road, this is a poorly sourced article. And if someone tries to sweep the filmography (unsourced) to a separate article, that's not appropriate per recent discussion on the ITN talk page. Let's get this up to RD quality first before we talk a blurb. --Masem (t) 23:24, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose far from ready, but never a blurb in any situation. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 06:10, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

WP:DENY.--WaltCip (talk) 16:13, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Support RD, support blurb We've posted some black woman writer I've never heard of a few weeks ago simoply because she was a black person with a Nobel prize (in literature!). Fonda clearly deserves a blurb then. 5.44.170.9 (talk) 07:51, 17 August 2019 (UTC) I don't see the criteria that says if 5.44.170.9 hasn't heard of someone, they can't be posted. I think it's also mildly offensive that you indicate Morrison was posted because she was "some black woman" who received a Nobel prize. 331dot (talk) 10:03, 17 August 2019 (UTC) Find me another nobel prize in literature winner who's death was posted as a blurb on english wikipedia over the past 10-15 years. It's self evient she was only posted because she was 1) woman 2) black for anyone who isn't lying to themselves 5.44.170.9 (talk) 11:33, 17 August 2019 (UTC) P.S. The fact that my comment is considered to be "offensive", and was even removed as such speaks volumes about the state of this website in 2019 as well as confirms what I said. No wonder the vote succeed, if all opposition is declared offensive and is immediately removed/banned from the website. 5.44.170.9 (talk) 11:36, 17 August 2019 (UTC) We would have blurbed the first white man to win the Nobel Prize in Literature when he died too! Does knowing that make you feel better? --- Coffeeandcrumbs 11:55, 17 August 2019 (UTC) If you don't like the state of Wikipedia, perhaps you should find somewhere else to spend your time and make your offensive statements. 331dot (talk) 12:07, 17 August 2019 (UTC) @331dot and Coffeeandcrumbs: The IP is trolling. I deleted their original comment for race baiting, but was reverted. -Zanhe (talk) 19:36, 17 August 2019 (UTC) The IP seems to be making a WP:POINT. If someone who knows how comes along it would be worth collapsing this convo.--Trans-Neptunian object (talk) 22:06, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb This blurbed death thing is getting out of control. Not every really famous person gets a blurb just because you like them. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:09, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

To note, I would be against this as a blurb myself, but was only cautioning here because of how his death was being handled in newspapers as "oh gosh, a major loss!", and wanted to address the major block to that point first. --Masem (t) 19:47, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Masem, I wanted to do the same thing. RD only. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:57, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose both Unsourced early life chunks, disproportionate Twitter beef, just OK in his field. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:01, August 17, 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb As per Muboshgu--BoothSiftTalks 20:34, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb – In view of the subject's somewhat checkered film oeuvre. – Sca (talk) 20:47, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb I'm not seeing blurb-level fame here. Should be RD.--Trans-Neptunian object (talk) 22:06, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
• Comment The article is locked, but I've left my suggestions for CN resolutions on the talk page. It's a shame to see RD half-filled with barely-not-stubs of completely un-notable people, while a widely-recognized name gets left off. Oppose blurb, died of natural causes. I take that other IPs point, though, I think it better to not repeat mistakes.130.233.3.115 (talk) 06:50, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Felice Gimondi

Article: Felice Gimondi (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Sport Sky

• Nominated by Holapaco77 (talk • give credit)
• Updated by Zwerg Nase (talk • give credit)

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Nominator's comments: One of only seven cyclists to have won all three Grand Tours of road cycling (Tour de France, Giro d'Italia, and Vuelta a España) Holapaco77 (talk) 18:44, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose about half the bio unreferenced. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 20:09, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

  Support excellent work on the article, good to go. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 10:57, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose Multiple entire paragraphs are unreferenced --BoothSiftTalks 21:37, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

  Support Good work, good to go now. --BoothSiftTalks 00:13, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

• Support Have done some extensive work on the article, mainly sourcing. Maybe The Rambling Man and Boothsift can reevaluate as well? Zwerg Nase (talk) 10:55, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
• Support - Good work! I've listed Zwerg Nase as the updater. -Zanhe (talk) 01:13, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
• Posted. Black Kite (talk) 10:41, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

RD: Princess Christina of the Netherlands

Article: Princess Christina of the Netherlands (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): NL times

• Updated and nominated by DBigXray (talk • give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Start Class article. DBigXrayᗙ 15:07, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose Early life section looks to be entirely unreferenced, and other issues thereafter. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 15:13, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose for now. Article needs some spit polish in several areas. In the realm of referencing, there are many more inline cites needed. While some stuff is uncontroversial and easily verifiable (like the fact that she had three sisters, etc.) other stuff which is more open to interpretation or not readily available in the public record, like "Christina was a bright and happy child, with a considerable talent for music. She also had a capacity for languages and as a young girl delighted the visiting President of the French Republic, René Coty, by conversing fluently with him in French." and the information on the faith healer, and several other places, needs direct inline citations. Furthermore, the article is woefully incomplete, it looks like she did nothing of note between changing her name in 1963, getting married and having children in the 1970s, and dying in 2019. Surely in four decades there's something worth reporting that happened in there? It does need some work. --Jayron32 15:24, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• Support Lets get people looking this article and fixing it! All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 22:41, 16 August 2019 (UTC).
  
• Weak Oppose A few missing citations left in a couple of sections, as editors above have pointed out. If this is resolved, please ignore this !vote or consider it a support !vote.  Vanilla  Wizard  💙 05:02, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Fixed all major issues. A lot of good work has been done by several editors to improve this. It needs a review again.--DBigXrayᗙ 17:13, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

• Weak oppose Still missing citations for some areas. Kingsif (talk) 17:35, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

August 15

Portal:Current events/2019 August 15

Current events of August 15, 2019 (2019-08-15) (Thursday) Disasters and accidents Ural Airlines Flight 178 A Ural Airlines Airbus 321 crash lands in a field near Zhukovsky International Airport in Moscow Region, Russia. The event is dubbed the "Miracle over Ramensk", as only 23 passengers had minor injuries, similar to US Airways Flight 1549. Preliminary reports say the aircraft struck a flock of seagulls. (CNN) A Cessna Citation carrying former NASCAR driver Dale Earnhardt Jr., his wife and infant daughter crashes on landing at Elizabethton Municipal Airport in Elizabethton, Tennessee. All occupants survive without serious injury. (CNN) International relations Colombia–Venezuela relations Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro gives a speech wherein he accuses former Colombian President Álvaro Uribe, Uribe's Vice President Francisco Santos Calderón, and Venezuelan politician Lester Toledo of planning to kill him. (Reuters) Iran–United Kingdom relations; Iran–United States relations Gibraltar says the United States has applied to seize the Iranian oil tanker Grace 1, which is being held by the United Kingdom territory for an alleged breach of European Union sanctions against Syria. (Reuters) The UK releases Grace 1 back to Iran after receiving written assurance that the oil would not be sent to Syria. (BBC) Israel–United States relations Two American Muslim congresswomen, Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib, are barred from entering Israel before a planned visit to the country due to their support of the BDS movement, a decision which was encouraged by U.S. President Donald Trump. (CNN) Proposed United States purchase of Greenland Press sources report that U.S. President Donald Trump repeatedly expressed interest in buying Greenland. (The Wall Street Journal) (AP News) Law and crime Belgian Federal Police confirm that fugitive Belgian large weapons smuggler and arms trafficker Jacques Monsieur was arrested in Portugal yesterday. (Het Laatste Nieuws) (Le Soir) Politics and elections 2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries Former Colorado governor John Hickenlooper announces that he is suspending his presidential campaign. (UPI)

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(Posted) RD: V. B. Chandrasekhar

Article: V. B. Chandrasekhar (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): The Times of India

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk • give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Former India Cricketer dies Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:37, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

• Support satis. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 06:12, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• Support start class with good sourcing.--DBigXrayᗙ 08:45, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• Comment still ready to post 10 hours later. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:33, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• Support The article looks to be in reasonable shape. Nsk92 (talk) 23:26, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• Comment still ready to post 22 hours later... The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 06:11, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
• Support enough delay already! -Zanhe (talk) 07:05, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
• Posting. --Tone 09:48, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) Ural Airlines Flight 178

Article: Ural Airlines Flight 178 (talk, history)
Blurb: ​All 233 people on board Ural Airlines Flight 178 survive as the aircraft crashlands in a cornfield following a bird strike in both engines of the Airbus A321 (aircraft pictured) operating the flight.
News source(s): BBC, AP

• Updated and nominated by Mjroots (talk • give credit)
• Created by Swagging (talk • give credit)

Nominator's comments: Not quite the Miracle on the Hudson, but close. Mjroots (talk) 15:40, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose - I know it's refreshing to see an airline story that isn't a catastrophe for once, but "plane lands safely" is not really newsworthy.--WaltCip (talk) 16:00, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. A successful emergency landing with no casualties isn't a significant story. Modest Genius ^talk 16:04, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment - The Miracle on the Hudson was a "plane lands safely" "with no casualties" story and it was posted. Mjroots (talk) 16:09, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
    • Over a decade ago. I'm not convinced it would meet today's ITN criteria for that exact reason. Modest Genius ^talk 17:15, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
• Support. When was the last time pilots made an emergency landing of a large wide-body jet on rough terrain with full fuel tanks after both its engines failed and managed to avoid any deaths or serious injuries? This is a miracle on Hudson-tier event, IMO 5.44.170.9 (talk) 16:11, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
• Given the distance and angle from the runway, it seems that the plane did not climb to any significant height or yaw/turn from the "liftoff vector" (pardon my terminology). As such, a successful ditch is not nearly as remarkable as that if 1549. GreatCaesarsGhost 17:31, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
  • It reached about 750 feet (230 m) above ground level according to sources. Mjroots (talk) 17:33, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Which is pretty ironic because in [this https://meduza.io/feature/2019/08/15/piloty-uralskih-avialiniy-posadili-airbus-na-kukuruznoe-pole-srazu-posle-vzleta-eto-kruche-chuda-na-gudzone?utm_source=telegram&utm_medium=live&utm_campaign=live] article on Meduza an actual pilot argues that their lower altitude was precisely the reason why their situation was worse: the pilots had less time to drop the speed and less space to manoeuvre the plane 5.44.170.9 (talk) 18:25, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
• Weak oppose. It is good that there were no fatalities, but a successful emergency landing does not quite make it to the INT level. There are several other Russia stories, such as the 9M730 Burevestnik situation and the current mass protests in Moscow, that are a lot more significant. Nsk92 (talk) 17:46, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
• Support I think the idea that "if they'd only all just died, this would be postable!" is pretty nonsensical. Banedon (talk) 19:08, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

  "Nonsensical" is quite a strong word here. You can simply disagree with the opposers without it. Our opposes are based on the fact on the ground not because we relish death. If they indeed all died, the story would have been completely different. The Russian government, Aviation stakeholders, US and Airbus would have issued series of statements. Media would have gone agog with scoop and images, flights would be delayed/canceled. A high-level investigation panel would have been established, technical investigators would have been imported from US/France to start studying the remnants of the plane. That's a STORY and what differentiate the others with this. There are almost 10 air crashes that happened after the last one we posted here. This one is not different from them. – Ammarpad (talk) 14:01, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose per WaltCip. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:34, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose – A nice "brite" (as they used to say in the noozbiz), but not really significant. – Sca (talk) 21:59, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
• Support per Banedon. I believe this is notable enough for ITN and the article is good. Davey2116 (talk) 22:44, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. The article is good, but I believe this is not notable enough for ITN. MSN12102001 (talk) 23:24, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
• Weak oppose it's a good news story but is already getting stale. Not much of encyclopdic long-term value, aircraft routinely suffer bird strikes, we won't be learning an awful amount from this incident other than a tick in the box for the pilot and for Airbus. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 06:15, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per others above--BoothSiftTalks 06:25, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• Support. This would be like not posting Apollo 13 because the astronauts lived. Sometimes a "successful failure" is still notable. 331dot (talk) 07:56, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

I would further add the points that there were more injuries here than with the Hudson River event, and we don't often post things related to Russia. 331dot (talk) 08:20, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

I think comparing a bird strike (daily occurrence) and successful controlled descent into terrain (from a few hundred metres) with Apollo 13 (the third ever attempt at a moon landing, tens of thousands of miles in space, 50-odd years ago, employing the scientific minds of NASA to find a solution....) is the biggest stretch of imagination I've seen today. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 08:30, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

I was not making a direct comparison other than the fact that people do not have to die for something to be notable. Please link to stories on double bird strikes that brought down commercial aircraft from each day of the last week(since these occur daily). 331dot (talk) 08:42, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Apollo 13 was not heavily followed by the public until the astronauts were in danger. 331dot (talk) 08:43, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Then why bring up Apollo 13? There are dozens of aircraft crashes in the past few years where nobody died. We haven't posted any of them. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 10:05, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

And if you read my comment correctly, you'll see I said that bird strikes are a daily occurrence. This was a bird strike. It has no long-term encyclopedic value, will have no impact on flying and hence my weak oppose. It's great that everyone survived but it's happened plenty of times. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 10:07, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Bird strikes do happen daily. Bird strikes that take out all engines of an airliner and result in a crash landing in which everyone survives is pretty much a "less than once in a decade" event. Mjroots (talk) 11:31, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Sure, but ultimately it was a controlled descent into terrain in which everyone survived. That has happened more than one a decade. You can intersect as many different aspects as you like to make it unique, but ultimately it's just crash from which everyone escaped but nothing will change, the EV is very low. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 11:36, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

What definition of EV are you using? 331dot (talk) 12:21, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Clearly one that's wildly different from you as this is in no way comparable to Apollo 13. This is a minor story with no long-lasting impact, it's borderline trivia. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 12:40, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

And FYI, some light reading which demonstrates that on any given day in the US alone, seven years ago there was an average of 28 bird strikes per day. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 13:05, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

But that does not mean that 28 commercial airliners are brought down in cornfields with injuries every day. So, since this isn't notable, I guess the Hudson River incident article should be deleted. Maybe they should take the plane out of the museum, too. 331dot (talk) 15:19, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Sure, other stuff definitely exists. I guess after a point we stop making a fuss over things that are relatively routine. Or we don't make a fuss about it at all because it happens in other countries. Who knows? As you know, they even made a movie about Sully, so it's unlikely that the Hudson page will be deleted. And also unlikely that this will be deleted either, but as for EV and newsworthiness, it's down at the bottom end of the scale. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 15:21, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

I have not kept track about how often things related to Russia are posted in INT. But this story is really small potatoes compared with several other Russia related stories that are happening now. The 9M730 Burevestnik story, nominated below, is a much more significant event, both nationally and internationally. But by far the biggest story in Russia now is the ongoing protests related to the 2019 Moscow City Duma election. Thousands of people have been arrested, and the protests have spread significantly beyond Moscow. These are the largest protests in Russia since 2011-2013[3]. If any current Russia story deserves ITN posting, it is that one, rather than a story about an aircraft birds strike. Nsk92 (talk) 08:51, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

• Support per 331dot. Also, there is precedent as 5.44.170.9 points out above, with US Airways Flight 1549 which was posted to ITN when it happened. Regards SoWhy 08:01, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• Support per 331dot and SoWhy. ——SerialNumber54129 08:26, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• Weak Oppose A passenger plane crash in which everyone survives is quite common. For example: [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] and this only includes large passenger aircraft since 2018. At least one of those stories involved a plane landing in the water similar to the Miracle on the Hudson. I will grant that of these six crashes, this story is the most notable because it involved the largest aircraft. However, while it is a heartwarming story, I don't believe it is notable within an international context. NorthernFalcon (talk) 08:59, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Opposing this is not easy because it may sound like expressing some pessimistic thought because no one died. But a plane crash in which everyone survives is really not news and would be forgotten soon, in a matter of weeks at most. Whereas those with heavy fatality tend to make lasting impression to the families of victims, affect government procedures and aviation industry in general. That's why we post them, not because we relish fatality. It's just how human mind perceive events since time immemorial, we cannot change this here on Wikipedia. I've to add that, the analogy to old posting (10 years ago) is not relevant here. The same thing would not be posted if it were to be judged with today's criteria. – Ammarpad (talk) 09:47, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• Comment An American plane, with American passengers, landing on an American river would not be reported these days? Don't make me laugh. Complete fiction. Leaky caldron (talk) 09:53, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Mostly per Ammarpad, though I disagree on 1549. There's a big difference between a control descent 60 seconds after liftoff on your original trajectory and maneuvering an engine-less A320 to avoid crashing into a dense urban area. I would agree it was much fluffed up by having occurred in the "capital of the world." GreatCaesarsGhost 13:20, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• Support on the principle that we have posted near-disasters in aviation before, and otherwise meets quality and newsworthiness, and that its clear if we didn't at this point, we are showing bias. It's still being considered a major accident in terms of aviation - it is being given the same thorough investigation that a crash would have had (for those asking about lasting impact). Even if the "difficulty" of the safe landing between this crash and the 1549 flight is far different, it still was fast action to save a large number of lives. --Masem (t) 14:00, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• Support Per 331dot, basically, but I'd more like to point out that this is definitely on the news from what I've searched, so there is at least a notability aspect to it. Plus, it was still an accident, so it's not like nothing happened, though I wouldn't call it an Apollo 13. Pie3141527182 (talk) 18:32, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• Support A large commercial airliner landing in a cornfield is not a routine occurrence. That there were no fatalities should not be a bar to it being significant or newsworthy. -- KTC (talk) 19:57, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

• Comment – Now he's officially a Hero of Russia – demonstrating that hype knows no borders. What next – a jaunt to the ISS? He was just doing his job, for which he evidently was well-trained. – Sca (talk) 20:20, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• Support – NPOV. Precedent shows that if this happened in U.S., France, UK, Australia, or Canada, we would have posted it. We should set our personal feels aside and post this. It is in the news and the Hero of the Russian Federation is a nice kicker showing high notability. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 21:09, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

  Please AGF - the rationale given in opposition is perfectly reasonable, there is no cause to imply bias. And only one prior nom has been provided for precedence, and it is 10 years old. ITN has changed a lot in that time. Read that discussion; its crazy it got posted. GreatCaesarsGhost 23:25, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

  I include myself in bias and bias is not bad faith. It is a fact of life. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 03:53, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

• Marking as ready - article in good shape, awards of Russia's highest civilian medals to crew adds much weight to notability, its in the news and Russia is generally under-represented at ITN. Support reasons seem to outweigh oppose reasons. Mjroots (talk) 07:11, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

  You should know much better than to mark your own nomination as ready. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 07:31, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

  Marking one's own nomination as ready is allowable, as an independent admin can either post it or overrule. What is an abuse of admin tools is to post one's own nomination, especially where there are opposes. You will notice that I have not done this. Mjroots (talk) 09:14, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

• Posting. --Tone 09:46, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

  Wait, what? I understand that a simple majority is not enough to be considered consensus, but how can consensus exists when the majority of editors are in opposition? 75.188.224.208 (talk) 17:53, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

• Comment can we switch the image please? The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 12:22, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
• Post-posting comment – "I really don't feel like a hero," Capt. Yusupov said. "I did what I had to do." – Sca (talk) 15:17, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Vidya Sinha

Article: Vidya Sinha (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Hindu

• Updated and nominated by DBigXray (talk • give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Start Class article with decent sourcing I am working on the filmography now excellent sourcing. DBigXrayᗙ 15:33, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose several statements outside the filmography also in need of reference. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 06:15, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Fixed The sourcing issues have all been fixed now. The Rambling Man please review again.--DBigXrayᗙ 07:34, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Support satis. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 14:38, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

• Support looks good. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 10:46, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• Support ready to post. – Ammarpad (talk) 14:50, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• Comment 15 hours later and still ready to post... The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 06:12, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
• Support been ready for a while. -Zanhe (talk) 07:06, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
• Posting. --Tone 09:49, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

thanks Tone, can someone post the credits. regards.--DBigXrayᗙ 12:35, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

now done by Tone.--DBigXrayᗙ 15:11, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

August 14

Portal:Current events/2019 August 14

Current events of August 14, 2019 (2019-08-14) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian Civil War, 2019 Northwestern Syria offensive A Syrian Air Force Sukhoi Su-22 jet is shot down by rebel forces near the town of Khan Shaykhun in the Idlib Governorate, Syria. Hayat Tahrir al-Sham jihadists say they have captured the pilot. (BBC) (Al Masdar News) Business and economy Economy of Germany The Federal Statistical Office of Germany discloses that Germany's gross domestic product shrank by 0.1% in the second quarter. (The Guardian) The Scholarly Publishing and Academic Resources Coalition, a U.S.-based organization that aims to keep educational materials broadly accessible, has asked the Antitrust Division of the Justice Department to halt a planned merger between two large textbook companies, McGraw-Hill and Cengage, a merger it claims will cause students "irreparable harm". (Reuters) Health and environment California regulators announce a ban on chlorpyrifos, an organophosphate nerve agent used as a pesticide. (Los Angeles Times) France bans electric pulse fishing. (AFP via Yahoo News} Law and crime August 2019 Philadelphia shooting Six police officers are shot, sustaining non-life threatening injuries, by a gunman in Philadelphia; a seventh officer is injured in a related automobile accident nearby. (CNN) (NBC News) Nisour Square massacre In a third trial, Nicholas Slatten is sentenced to life in prison. (AFP via VoA) Politics and elections Crisis in Venezuela Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro creates a new government ministry, the Ministry of Tourism and Foreign Trade. (Venezuelanalysis) Tarek William Saab strips the parliamentary immunity of the opposition politicians Juan Pablo García, Tomás Guanipa and José Guerra. (Venezuelanalysis) A Norwegian delegation arrives in Venezuela to restart dialogues to end the presidential crisis. (Reuters)

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(Posted) RD: Frank Tsao

Article: Frank Tsao (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Straits Times, SCMP

• Updated and nominated by Zanhe (talk • give credit)

Article updated
Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: multinational shipping magnate. Died on August 12, announced on August 14. Zanhe (talk) 00:46, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

• Support Short but adequate. One could wish for a few more references for diversity of coverage, but the ones cited appear to be RS and the article is acceptably cited. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:02, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
• Support. It would be preferable to have a couple more sources since ref [1] goes up to [r] but otherwise fine.  Nixinova  T  C  06:51, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

@Ad Orientem and Nixinova: I've added more sources and content, including several published books. I've only included sources with in-depth coverage of him. -Zanhe (talk) 19:42, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 00:23, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) August 2019 Philadelphia shooting

AGF nom that won't gain traction. Six injuries and no deaths isn't notable in the grand scheme of things in the US. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 03:37, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

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Article: August 2019 Philadelphia shooting (talk, history)
Blurb: ​In the United States, six Philadelphia police officers are shot.
News source(s): CNN, NBC News

• Nominated by Davey2116 (talk • give credit)

Article needs updating

 Davey2116 (talk) 23:26, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose Limited long-term impact. Given the US's history of shootings, article doesn't make it clear how this event stands out among the dozens of other ones that have happened this year. Spencer^T•C 01:45, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Fails WP:BODYCOUNT. Mass shootings are far too common in the US to post all but the most serious. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:49, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
• Comment The article is nowhere near ready for the main page as of now. But lets be honest, people don't shoot at cops every day in the U.S. This is not normal. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:50, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose This looks like they got shot while on duty, responding to a general gang shootout. While sad, this is equivalent to military personnel dying in aircraft accidents. It's nowhere close to the previous shooting events. --Masem (t) 01:57, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose no deaths (Thank God!), and as said earlier not really newsworthy in the U.S.. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 03:28, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

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(Closed) Nyonoksa evacuation

Closed in favor of #9M730 Burevestnik. – Ammarpad (talk) 18:26, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

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Article: Nyonoksa (talk, history)
Blurb: ​In the wake of an unexplained explosion at a nuclear testing facility near Nyonoksa, Russia, local residents are ordered to evacuate by Russian officials.
News source(s): New York Times, The Independent,

• Nominated by Jayron32 (talk • give credit)

Nominator's comments: May need a better target; there's enough on Google to create a new article if needed. Jayron32 16:53, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

• Comment is this related to the 9M730 Burevestnik nomination below? The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 16:55, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Yes it is. --Masem (t) 18:19, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
    • Okeydokes, then "one nomination at a time please". The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:22, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Ningali Lawford

Article: Ningali Lawford (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): ABC

• Updated and nominated by DBigXray (talk • give credit)

Article updated
Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Start class article. Death reported on 14 August. DBigXrayᗙ 06:11, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

• Support especially when the Wikipedia:Women_in_Red get to her as August is Indigenous Month in that Project. --Bronwyn Gannan (talk) 08:12, 14 August 2019 (UTC).
• Support Poked around; looks is good enough. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 08:41, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
• Support good to go. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 09:13, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

  Seven hours later, still good to go. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 16:12, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

• Posted to RD  — Amakuru (talk) 18:14, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Polly Farmer

Article: Graham Farmer (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): The Age

• Nominated by HiLo48 (talk • give credit)
• Updated by Mattinbgn (talk • give credit)

Article updated
Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The article is currently the subject of a Requested move from Graham Farmer to Polly Farmer. The latter is the person's clear common name and is already a redirect. HiLo48 (talk) 03:34, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose A few unsourced patches, but the article is not far off. Hrodvarsson (talk) 04:54, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

@Hrodvarsson: I have added a couple of references that cover his awards, and membership of premiership teams. Are there other concerns? (Maybe you could cn them.) HiLo48 (talk) 06:40, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

• Support he is probably one of the first Excitement Machines of the VFL and WAFL. — Bronwyn Gannan (talk) 08:12, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
• Support a notable Australian Rules Footballer recognized as such across Australia. Dan arndt (talk) 09:47, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose a sprinkling of [citation needed] tags in there which must be resolved before posting. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 09:50, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

All fixed. OK now? HiLo48 (talk) 11:43, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Support good to go. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 16:12, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

• Support blurb - Literally considered a Legend in his field.--WaltCip (talk) 15:36, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Not sure that Aussie rules is a big enough field though.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:42, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Waverley Park's field was originally 200 metres long and 160 metres across. That's a big field in my book.--WaltCip (talk) 15:51, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

@Pawnkingthree:, yes, it's a sport you're obviously not familiar with. I suggest you have a look at the attendances at games. See List of sports attendance figures#Top 10 leagues in average attendance. HiLo48 (talk) 22:23, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

It was never going to get a blurb, HiLo48, that was the only point I was making. Attendances have nothing to do with it. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:59, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

You made no point that I could see, and it was a typical comment from someone not familiar with a particular sport, and consequently denigrating it. And you're still doing it. HiLo48 (talk) 08:42, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

• Support RD referencing issues appear to have been resolved.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:46, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
• Posted to RD  — Amakuru (talk) 18:14, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

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