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Cyclone Bulbul Cyclone Bulbul (satellite image shown) hits the Indian and Bangladeshi coasts of the Bay of Bengal, killing at least 24 people. After weeks of protests over electoral fraud, Bolivian president Evo Morales and other high-ranking politicians are forced to resign, and opposition senator Jeanine Áñez becomes interim president. The Supreme Court of India delivers a unanimous verdict in favour of the construction of a Hindu temple at a disputed holy site in Ayodhya. A border corridor is opened between Pakistan and India, allowing Indian Sikh pilgrims visa-free access to Kartarpur Sahib for the first time since the partition. Ongoing: Hong Kong protests Trump impeachment inquiry Recent deaths: Gordie Gosse Tom Spurgeon Kieran Modra Edwin Bramall James Le Mesurier Rick Ludwin view - page history - related changes - edit

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November 18

Portal:Current events/2019 November 18

Current events of November 18, 2019 (2019-11-18) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2019 Hong Kong protests Police seal off and trap hundreds of students and protesters inside Hong Kong Polytechnic University amid fears of a crackdown. After a police officer is injured, security forces threaten to fire live bullets if protesters do not give up lethal weapons. (Reuters) Law and crime The Hong Kong High Court rules the government's mask ban violates the Basic Law. (South China Morning Post)

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November 17

Portal:Current events/2019 November 17

Current events of November 17, 2019 (2019-11-17) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2019 Hong Kong protests Clashes erupt on the campus of Hong Kong Polytechnic University. Police use tear gas and water cannons. Protesters fire bows and arrows and petrol bombs, and set fires. (Reuters) Democracy activist Joshua Wong urges Germany to stop military assistance to China. (Outlook) Disasters and accidents A gas explosion in Chittagong, Bangladesh, kills at least seven people and injures eight. (Reuters) Health and environment In response to a measles outbreak, Samoa declares a state of emergency, closes all schools and urges all persons under 17 to avoid public gatherings. (ABC News) International relations 2018–19 Korean peace process U.S. Defense Secretary Mark Esper and South Korean Minister of National Defense Jeong Kyeong-doo announce that their countries will postpone their annual joint military air exercises to help facilitate the peace process. (San Francisco Chronicle) Japan–United States relations, Japan–North Korea relations Japanese Defence Minister Tarō Kōno tells his United States and South Korea counterparts that "no one could be optimistic about North Korea" after "they launched over 20 missiles so far this year". (Yahoo! News) Law and crime List of mass shootings in the United States in 2019 At least ten people are shot, with four killed, at a backyard party in Fresno, California. (CNN),(The Guardian) Politics and elections 2019 Belarusian parliamentary election Voters in Belarus head to the polls in the country's latest parliamentary election. The election is closely watched by the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe due to the country's poor human rights record. (Deutsche Welle)

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2019 Sri Lankan presidential election

Article: 2019 Sri Lankan presidential election (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Former Defense Secretary, Gotabaya Rajapaksa wins the 2019 Sri Lankan presidential election to become the 7th executive president of Sri Lanka.
Alternative blurb: ​Gotabaya Rajapaksa wins the Sri Lanka presidential election.
Alternative blurb II: ​Former Defense Minister Gotabaya Rajapaksa (pictured) is elected president of Sri Lanka.
News source(s): BBC

• Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk • give credit)
• Created by Blackknight12 (talk • give credit)
• Updated by Blackknight12 (talk • give credit) and Randeepa (talk • give credit) and Obi2canibe (talk • give credit)

Article updated
Nominated event is listed at WP:ITN/R, meaning that the recurrence of the event should in itself merit a post on WP:ITN, subject to the quality of the article and any update(s) to it.

Nominator's comments: Results are expected on Sunday, otherwise Monday. No doubt, prose is lacking hence would like to start discussion on what else could be done to make it to ITN Sherenk1 (talk) 02:20, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

• Since the votes are still being counted, I'm holding off on officially adding a blurb. But since sources from Reuters and BBC are projecting Gotabhaya Rajapaksa as the winner, my proposal is: Former Defense Minister Gotabhaya Rajapaksa is elected president of Sri Lanka.
  • With that being said, I unfortunately will have to give this a weak oppose for now. While this election is unusually important for such an overlooked country (due to, among other things, the controversial reputation of Rajapaksa, the election happening months after a devastating terrorist attack, the strength of Indian and Chinese influence in the region depending on who wins, etc.), the article itself is poorly organized. The "Timeline" section needs to be converted to prose (probably reorganized into "Background"), and there is an "Empty section" tag in the "Polls" section, for starters. Mount Patagonia (talk) 06:49, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
• Comment The election results are still pending but Gotabaya Rajapaksa claims that he has emerged victorious. Officially the Election Commissioner hasn't revealed a reliable statement about this. Gotabaya is leading the election results by a big margin at the moment compared to his rival Sajith Premadasa. I would support if the winner is officially confirmed. Abishe (talk) 07:14, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support The details are updated and I hope this would qualify for ITN. If Bolivian protests can be nominated for the ITN why can't the Sri Lankan elections be considered. Looks like no one is interested regarding this at least few could have said to oppose this. No response and no regular activity here today and it is quite ironical to say this. Abishe (talk) 16:21, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support. Per above. Well referenced. Good to go. MSN12102001 (talk) 20:31, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose This article is worse than the article for #Spanish general election which we also did not post. No summary of results and an ugly timeline that should be presented in prose. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 21:24, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Where are the results? And there seems to be a little lack of refs. Kingsif (talk) 21:48, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
• Comment The results are updated now and this is seriously important to nominate for ITN. First of all Gotabaya had several charges levelled on him and defied all the odds to become the President. Notably escaped from a suicide bombing in 2006. He is charged with war crimes which were committed durinf the final stages of the Sri Lankan Civil War and had issues regarding the American citizenship prior to contesting at the elections. So these factors I guess would make sense to be nominated. Tamil Guardian CNN Al Jazeera] Abishe (talk) 02:59, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
  • You still to address the formatting for the "Timeline" section, and many of the sources on the page are just bare URLs. If both of these can be fixed, I will switch to support. Mount Patagonia (talk) 03:58, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
  • The results have not been summarized in prose. Please summarized the highlights from the table of results in words and cite sources to verify the interpretation. Something like "Gotabaya Rajapaksa of the Sri Lanka Podujana Peramuna party earned 52.25% of the votes...[1]" and so on to describe the major points detailed in the table. Don't force readers to interpret the results for themselves. The aftermath section is not a summary of results; it is a summary of the aftermath. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 07:27, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

2019 Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series

Article: 2019 Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Kyle Busch (pictured) wins the 2019 Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series championship.
News source(s): MRN, USA Today, The New York Times

• Nominated by Dough4872 (talk • give credit)
• Created by Fan of the 88 (talk • give credit)
• Updated by A.lanzetta (talk • give credit) and WWEFan1926 (talk • give credit) and Dough4872 (talk • give credit)

Article updated
Nominated event is listed at WP:ITN/R, meaning that the recurrence of the event should in itself merit a post on WP:ITN, subject to the quality of the article and any update(s) to it.

 Dough4872 03:21, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

November 16

Portal:Current events/2019 November 16

Current events of November 16, 2019 (2019-11-16) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Terrorism in Sri Lanka Gunmen open fire on two buses carrying Muslim voters to the polls near Anuradhapura. No casualties are reported and no arrests take place. (The Guardian) Syrian Civil War Turkey blames another attack on the PKK. The bombings targeted a bus terminal in al-Bab, Aleppo Governorate, killing 18 and wounding dozens of others. (Al Jazeera) 2019 Iraqi protests A car bomb detonates near a protest in Baghdad, killing two people and injuring 20. (Reuters) (Al Jazeera) Gaza–Israel clashes (November 2019) Continuing rocket fire leads Israel to launch fresh strikes into Gaza in response. (France 24) An attack on civilians in the village of Mbau, Democratic Republic of the Congo, using bladed weapons, kills over 18 civilians. Islamic militants are the suspected attackers. (Reuters) 2019 Bolivian protests At least eight people were killed and dozens injured in Sacaba after security forces fired on supporters of ousted president Evo Morales. (NPR) (Associated Press) Bolivia's interim president met with a UN envoy, Jean Arnault, to discuss the country's political turmoil. (Global News) Arts and culture LGBT rights in Hong Kong Amid violent protests, Hong Kong holds its gay pride parade in spite of a police ban. Human rights and pro-democracy and openly gay activist Jimmy Sham heads the march. (The Sydney Morning Herald) International relations Iran–United States relations, Iran–Saudi Arabia relations, Egypt–Iran relations, Iran–United Arab Emirates relations, Bahrain–Iran relations, Shia–Sunni relations United States Air Force Chief of Staff David Goldfein asks Gulf States to be united amid rising tensions with Iran as Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Bahrain and Egypt have divided opinions with Qatar. (Reuters) Law and crime List of mass shootings in the United States in 2019 A man killed his estranged wife and her three children and injured another child before killing himself in San Diego. (The New York Times) Politics and elections 2019 Iranian fuel protests Large protests rock major Iranian cities with clashes reported between protesters and security forces. (Radio Farda) 2019 Sri Lankan presidential election Sri Lankan voters head to the polls to elect a new president. Although 35 candidates are running, the main frontrunners are former Defense Secretary Gotabaya Rajapaksa of the right-wing Sri Lanka People's Front and current Minister of Housing and Construction Sajith Premadasa of the centre-right United National Party. (Reuters) Rajapaksa claims victory and Premadasa concedes defeat, with half of the votes counted for. (Reuters) Yellow vests movement Parisian police fire tear gas and water cannons at protestors and arrest around 105 people on the anniversary of the first yellow vest protests. (Reuters) 2019 Louisiana gubernatorial election Incumbent Democratic governor John Bel Edwards narrowly defeats businessman and Republican candidate Eddie Rispone to retain his seat; Louisiana Republicans also fall short of winning a supermajority in the Louisiana House of Representatives, allowing Edwards to retain veto power over legislation. The results follow recent gains by the Democratic Party in elections in Virginia and Kentucky and is considered as another blow to U.S. President Donald Trump. (Reuters) 2019 Hong Kong protests In Hong Kong, soldiers belonging to China's People's Liberation Army are spotted in the streets helping clear debris left by protesters. (The Epoch Times) Protests in the Czech Republic On the 30th anniversary of the outbreak of the Velvet Revolution, over 200,000 people gathered at Letná, Prague, demanding better political culture and the resignation of prime minister Andrej Babiš. This was the second mass demonstration organized at Letná by Milion chvilek pro demokracii after a similar protest on 23 June 2019. (BBC)

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2019 Bolivian political crisis

Article: 2019 Bolivian political crisis (talk, history)
Ongoing item nomination

• Nominated by Kingsif (talk • give credit)

 Kingsif (talk) 20:38, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose Blurb is still on news and no immediate sign it is about to fall off. Better to consider the situation when the blurb does fall off. --Masem (t) 21:52, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

• Good point. I nom'd because the blurb is a week old... but so is the box... Kingsif (talk) 00:08, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

2019 Iranian fuel protests

Article: 2019 Iranian fuel protests (talk, history)
Blurb: ​At least two people have been killed after protests erupted across Iran when the government unexpectedly announced it was rationing petrol and hiking prices.
Alternative blurb: ​Multiple protests break out in Iran after the government announces fuel rationing and price hikes, killing at least one.
News source(s): BBC

• Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk • give credit)
• Created by Persepolis1400 (talk • give credit)
• Updated by Persepolis1400 (talk • give credit) and Telluride749 (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Dominating worldwide headlines. Article is well referenced. Sherenk1 (talk) 14:14, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

• Your blurb is plagiarized. Abductive (reasoning) 19:17, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Modified - Sherenk1 (talk) 02:24, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

November 15

Portal:Current events/2019 November 15

Current events of November 15, 2019 (2019-11-15) (Friday) Business and economy The Iranian government announces that, effective immediately, petrol will be rationed to 60 litres per month, and prices will increase 50%. Fuel beyond the limit will cost double. Iranians take to the streets to oppose the plan, which results from United States sanctions against Iran. (Al Jazeera) (The New York Times) International relations North Korean abductions of Japanese citizens, Japan–North Korea relations Sakie Yokota, the mother of a Japanese girl abducted by North Korea 42 years ago at the age of 13, appeals directly to Kim Jong-un to release her and all Japanese abductees. She also decries the lack of Japanese government action on the issue. (NHK World-Japan) Japan–South Korea relations, Japan–United States relations, South Korea–United States relations Japan, South Korea and the United States agree to boost multilateral military cooperation and defense issues. (Yonhap News Agency) Law and crime Criminal charges brought in the Special Counsel investigation (2017–2019) A federal jury convicts Roger Stone of lying to the United States Congress and tampering with a witness about his efforts to learn about the anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks's release of hacked Democratic emails in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. (The Washington Post) Politics and elections 2019 Hong Kong protests A 70-year-old bystander dies after being hit by a brick while filming a clash between protesters and residents. Police is treating the act as a murder. (BBC News) (South China Morning Post) Pro-Beijing Hong Kong Justice Secretary Teresa Cheng suffers minor injuries after being heckled in London. China's Foreign Ministry condemns the protesters. (Reuters) (South China Morning Post) 2019 Chilean protests An agreement is signed by most of the political parties supporting a referendum in April 2020 regarding the draft of a new constitution through a constituent convention. This will be the first time the Constitution of Chile is written with popular participation. (The Guardian) 2019 Bolivian protests Security forces open fire on protesters in Cochabamba, killing at least five. (CBC News)

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RD: Mark Cady

Article: Mark Cady (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): AP

• Nominated by Davey2116 (talk • give credit)

Article updated
Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American jurist, chief justice of the Supreme Court of Iowa (2011–19) who wrote the opinion which legalized same-sex marriage in Iowa, dies at age 66. Article could use some expansion. Davey2116 (talk) 12:41, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

November 14

Portal:Current events/2019 November 14

Current events of November 14, 2019 (2019-11-14) (Thursday) Business and economy Ford announces that its new electric SUV will be known as the Mustang Mach-E. The "Mustang" model name, previously employed by Ford's muscle cars, could be an important asset for the new venture. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents A vehicle collision in Iran's southeastern Sistan and Baluchestan Province kills at least 28 people, all Afghan nationals. (BBC News) Law and crime Saugus High School shooting A school shooting at Saugus High School in Santa Clarita, California, injures five students, two fatally. The 16-year-old gunman, identified as Nathaniel Berhow, shoots himself, is hospitalized, and dies a day later. (The Cincinnati Enquirer) 2017–18 Spanish constitutional crisis After the admission of the European Arrest Warrant against her, ousted Catalan Education Minister Clara Ponsatí, who is in a "self-exile" in Edinburgh, appears in court and is bailed without charges hours after. (BBC News) Politics and elections 2019 Hong Kong protests Chief Superintendent of Police of Hong Kong Tse Chun-chung says protesters' acts are "another step closer to terrorism". (Reuters) Japan–South Korea relations South Korean government officials announce that Japan and the United States are interested in renewing the GSOMIA pact between Japan and South Korea to maintain bilateral cooperation between the two nations in defense issues. (Yonhap News Agency) 2019 Bolivian protests, 2019 Bolivian political crisis Bolivian police use tear gas to break up a peaceful pro-Morales counter-protest in La Paz, then block about a dozen pro-Morales senators from entering the nation's legislature. Pro-Morales demonstrators respond with cries of "dictatorship" and throw stones at the police. (The New York Times) Politics of Moldova Ion Chicu is sworn in as Prime Minister after the collapse of Maia Sandu's government on 12 November. (Reuters)

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(Closed) Saugus High School shooting

Tragic, but consensus will not emerge to post, and discussion will inevitably turn into US mudslinging. Stephen 22:38, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

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Article: Saugus High School shooting (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Shooting at Saugus High School in Santa Clarita, California, USA
News source(s): https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/los-angeles-county-deputies-respond-report-santa-clarita-school-shooting-n1082231

• Nominated by Sanjay7373 (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: The calamity in Santa Clarita has made national news. One person has been killed and countless injured. This is a high-profile situation — politicians like Donald Trump, Bernie Sanders, and Amy Klobuchar have responded to the devastation at SHS. To exclude this from the Main Page would be a disservice to Santa Clarita's over 200,000 residents as well as the victims of the shooting and students at the school. Sanjay7373 (talk) 19:34, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/los-angeles-county-deputies-respond-report-santa-clarita-school-shooting-n1082231

• Not wishing to partake in the rest of this conversation, I will note that To exclude this from the Main Page would be a disservice... is not an argument for (or against) Main Page inclusion or any Wikipedia action, as we are not here to right great wrongs. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 19:43, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

• This is a high-profile, national event. One person has been killed. It certainly merits inclusion in the Main Page, just like the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland. Sanjay7373 (talk) 19:48, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. School shootings are regretfully a common event in the United States, and as they go this is a relatively minor one- and I get that sounds terrible to say. The event is certainly a terrible event generally and of extreme importance to the community the school is in. This is, however, a global encyclopedia and we have to make certain decisions about what goes on the Main Page. If this shooting is significant enough, there would likely need to be a permanent spot on the Main Page for posting all of them as they happen. Politicians routinely comment on them and doing so isn't always an indicator of importance. Trying to right the great wrong of shootings is not the role of ITN or Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 19:52, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

• How many times do we have to go through this? Shootings are routine in the United States. Americans regard them as normal and acceptable, and a fair exchange for a right to possess lethal weapons. The politicians there haven't taken any action for decades and are not likely to do so in the foreseeable future. A car bomb in Baghdad has far more long-term domestic and international impact. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:57, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

This is not the place to express views on guns in the United States, regardless of their merits. 331dot (talk) 19:59, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

• I am not expressing any views on guns. I am just saying that this event is very high-profile and should be included on the Main Page. One person has died in what is generally considered a safe city.Sanjay7373 (talk) 20:00, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

  Sanjay7373 My comment was addressed to Hawkeye7. 331dot (talk) 20:03, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

  Well I am not either. I was only commenting on the impact. That politicians on the campaign trail have commented seems routine; a media rep will often pose a question about a current event. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:14, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

• Also, I don't see anything about a car bomb in Baghdad on the main page. Sanjay7373 (talk) 20:04, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose tragic for the community but sadly run of the mill. Thryduulf (talk) 20:17, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
• And now another person has died. This is a national and international news story, and it certainly warrants inclusion on the main page. In fact, it should be included on the main page, just like shootings in Parkland, Orlando, Las Vegas, etc.Sanjay7373 (talk) 20:26, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Those shootings had much higher levels of casualties. If we posted every shooting like this in the United States, that's all we would be doing here. 331dot (talk) 20:28, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Agreed, sadly. And @Sanjay7373: Please stop posting so many of your own comments on this nomination; I understand how you feel, but it's not good form. Funcrunch (talk) 21:12, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

A better way to look at this: if there was a mass stabbing in France that killed two people, that'd also not make ITN. Neither would any mass casualty incident which killed two people in Canada (unless the people who died were notable: such as an assassination of a prominent political figure or something). Nothing really to do with it being in the US. -- Rockstonetalk to me! 22:20, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose As others have said, shootings in the US are too common place to every one up, and this, with only 1-2 deaths, fails to meet "MINIMUMDEATHS". Yes, it is tragic, but too commonplace. --Masem (t) 20:30, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
• Also, car bombs are pretty common in Baghdad in the same way shootings are common in the USA. In addition, Santa Clarita is a relatively safe community. A massacre in Compton might not be as notable as one in Santa Clarita. Sanjay7373 (talk) 20:38, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per others. Aside from the notability of the event, the article isn't really up to par for ITN anyway - it's barely passed stub-level. ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 20:46, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
• This event is pretty notable, as evidenced by the reactions not only from Santa Clarita, but from politicians across the country in Washington, D.C. Sanjay7373 (talk) 20:48, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

As I indicated, politicians routinely comment on tragic events and doing so is no indication of its significance. Maybe if a law was passed as a result, but not now. 331dot (talk) 20:51, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Which do you think is more notable: the construction of a Hindu temple in India, or the deaths of 2 innocent students at a school in Santa Clarita? A Hindu temple is just a building, here, two students have died and countless more were injured.Sanjay7373 (talk) 20:56, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

That's a false equivalency. We judge each nomination on its own merits. 331dot (talk) 21:02, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

The injured are not 'countless', either. 331dot (talk) 21:03, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

• I had a feeling this would be nominated if for no other reason than this occurred in Los Angeles County. You have made your point, Sanjay, but there's just not enough for this to be fit for ITN due to the high frequency of mass shootings in the US. With that said, strong oppose. Also, regarding your comparison to the Hindu temple story, please be mindful of your systemic bias.--WaltCip (talk) 21:06, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose, but for a different reason than the people trashing our gun laws: even if this shooting took place outside of the US, it still wouldn't be notable enough for ITN. It's tragic, but there are neither enough deaths nor any indication that it'll impact things long term in order to warrant a blurb. -- Rockstonetalk to me! 22:17, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Lacks long term notability. Nonstopmaximum (talk) 22:31, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose, the last school shooting in the US that was posted on ITN was the Stoneman Douglas High School shooting in February 2018. Since then there have been, according to List of school shootings in the United States, some 57 further incidents that we have not posted, including several with higher casualty figures than this one. The bar for inclusion in ITN is high, and this doesn't seem to meet that level, as others have noted. Spokoyni (talk) 22:33, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose – For all the reasons expressed, once again, above. – Sca (talk) 22:34, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

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RD: Vashishtha Narayan Singh

Article: Vashishtha Narayan Singh (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): NDTV, India Today

• Nominated by DannyS712 (talk • give credit)
• Updated by Nizil Shah (talk • give credit)

Article updated
Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

 --DannyS712 (talk) 19:16, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose Needs a copyedit and there are some unreferenced claims.-- P-K3 (talk) 19:51, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
• Weak Oppose - A few sources needed, then looks good to go ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 20:16, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Support now after updating. Thanks Nizil! ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 15:06, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Insufficient depth of coverage: lists some positions that he worked in, but nothing mentioned regarding his contributions to the field of mathematics. Spencer^T•C 13:54, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support Updated/organised/expanded with references. -Nizil (talk) 14:41, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

@Spencer, Mike gigs, and Pawnkingthree: Please reconsider you votes. I have updated article. May require minor copyediting. -Nizil (talk) 14:41, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

• Thank you for your referencing work. My position remains since there have been no new additions regarding his career work as a mathematician. Spencer^T•C 15:41, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

• @Spencer: Please see my comments at Talk:Vashishtha Narayan Singh#Mathematician vs Academic. -Nizil (talk) 04:52, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

• I see, it looks like he did not contribute much to mathematics and the article is reflective of that. I will be honest, the article does not do a good job explaining why Singh is notable. Is he notable for being lost on the train journey? If so, then the article should be expanded more to reflect that. Right now, the article is basically a CV in prose form without much meat to it. Best, Spencer^T•C 00:00, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

• @Spencer:, as I have written on talkpage, he is notable for "his circumstances" instead of "his accomplishments". I have tried to dive deeper in his circumstances like being lost etc but most of the information is untrustworthy/differing in details and anecdotal so I refrained from adding it. The article could have been better with more in depth information but I believe that this start-class basic article is enough to be in ITN. Regards, -Nizil (talk) 05:26, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

• Several sentences need rewriting in grammatical English. Stephen 10:03, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

• @Stephen: Sorry. I am not native English speaker. I welcome copyediting by others. -Nizil (talk) 05:26, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

RD: Branko Lustig

Article: Branko Lustig (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/schindlers-list-producer-branko-lustig-dies-87-67015227

• Nominated by DannyS712 (talk • give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Well referenced article --DannyS712 (talk) 19:03, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose for now; Filmography unreferenced.-- P-K3 (talk) 19:49, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per P-K3 ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 20:17, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose - ping me when ready.BabbaQ (talk) 00:18, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Gordie Gosse

Article: Gordie Gosse (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/speaker-of-the-house-ndp-mla-gordie-gosse-1.5358686

• Nominated by Miraclepine (talk • give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Speaker of the House of Assembly of Nova Scotia (2011–2013). Just cleaned up some unsourced content, but should look good. ミラP 17:04, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support - Short article but sourcing looks good ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 18:29, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
• Weak oppose. The election result is unsourced. Also, he was in office from 2003-2015 so why is only the 2013 result included? Thryduulf (talk) 20:21, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support. Article looks good. LefcentrerightTalk (plz ping) 21:01, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose As with many other start-class politician articles nominated to RD, very minimal information about what he accomplished in his role as a politician (policies, political issues, legislation passed, etc.) beyond "Gosse implemented a strict policy banning the use of mobile devices, including smart phones in the Nova Scotia House of Assembly during Question Period". Spencer^T•C 12:48, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support - looks good to go in my POV.BabbaQ (talk) 12:59, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
• Comment The 2013 election result now has a source attached to it. ミラP 02:51, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
• Posted Kees08 (Talk) 07:19, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

November 13

Portal:Current events/2019 November 13

Current events of November 13, 2019 (2019-11-13) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks War in Afghanistan November 2019 Kabul bombing A suicide car bomb kills 12 people and injures 20 others near the Interior Ministry in Kabul, Afghanistan. (Al Jazeera) (Yahoo! News) Terrorism in Indonesia A suicide bomber kills himself and injures six other people when he detonates near police headquarters in Medan, Indonesia. (Deutsche Welle) Gaza–Israel conflict; Gaza–Israel clashes (November 2019) Israeli airstrikes leave 22 Palestinians (20 militants and 2 civilians) dead and dozens injured. (Haaretz) More than 200 rockets are fired into Israel from Gaza. (New York Post) An Islamic Jihad rocket commander and five relatives are killed in an Israeli airstrike. (The Times of Israel) Islamist insurgency in Mozambique, Mozambique–Tanzania relations Jihadists kill six civilians and injure seven in a village near the Mozambique–Tanzania border. All the victims are Tanzanian nationals, while the terrorists are identified as Mozambicans. (News24) Terrorism in Poland Two people are arrested in Poland for planning to kill Muslims in an attack inspired by the 2011 Utoya/Oslo attacks by Norwegian mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik, and the Christchurch, New Zealand mosque shootings. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents A bus collision with a truck near Nitra kills 13 people and leaves at least 17 wounded. The disaster is the deadliest in Slovakia in a decade. (Reuters) International relations Japan–North Korea relations, Japan–South Korea relations South Korean media reports that between May and September, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzō Abe sent personal letters to North Korea's Kim Jong-un to hold bilateral meetings to ease tensions between the two countries. A Japanese government spokesman denies the report. (The Japan Times) Law and crime Catholic Church sexual abuse cases The Australian High Court agrees to hear a final appeal from ex-Vatican treasurer and convicted child sex offender George Pell, who was found guilty of sexually assaulting three teenage choirboys. (Reuters) After the South Korean government launches an investigation into comfort women, a survivor tells the press that Japan "lacked honor" for failing to attend the South Korean court's proceedings. (Reuters) Politics and elections 2019 Hong Kong protests Hong Kong leader Carrie Lam vows not to give in to protesters as chaos continues into Wednesday morning. (The Straits Times) Schools, transport links and businesses close amid rising clashes in the city. (Reuters) 2019 Bolivian protests, Evo Morales government resignation Bolivia's exiled former president Evo Morales rejects the presidency of opposition senator Jeanine Áñez, but police bar lawmakers from his party from entering the legislature to undo it. (The Washington Post) Two people were killed on in clashes between Bolivian police and supporters of former president Evo Morales. In total, 10 people have been killed so far since political turmoil broke out in Bolivia. (Al Jazeera) Politics of Tunisia Rached Ghannouchi is elected Speaker of the Assembly of the Representatives of the People of Tunisia. (France 24)

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(Posted) RD: Tom Spurgeon

Article: Tom Spurgeon (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination

• Nominated by Newyorkbrad (talk • give credit)
• Updated by mike_gigs (talk • give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Well-known comics journalist, died yesterday. Article is well-sourced and has been updated. Newyorkbrad (talk) 15:58, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support - I added a couple of refs to a couple unsourced claims, looks good to go now ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 18:28, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support Don't see any issues now referencing has been improved.-- P-K3 (talk) 19:47, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
• Posted. Thryduulf (talk) 20:23, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

RD: Niall Tóibín

Article: Niall Tóibín (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): RTÉ, Independent.ie, The Irish Times

• Nominated by Waddie96 (talk • give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Not much info yet as to how he died, only reported about 10 minutes ago. comrade waddie96 ★ (talk) 12:07, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose - Sourcing not quite there yet ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:05, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support - sources improved Joseywales1961 (talk) 21:18, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per mike, referencing needs more work.-- P-K3 (talk) 19:52, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

RD: Raymond Poulidor

Article: Raymond Poulidor (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): BBC, Spiegel

• Nominated by Zwerg Nase (talk • give credit)

Article needs updating
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Nominator's comments: Notable cyclist, Vuelta winner, several podiums at the Tour de France, immortal rivalry with Jacques Anquetil. Article needs some work, I will try to get to as much as I can later today. Zwerg Nase (talk) 12:02, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose - Prose is pretty undersourced. Hard to tell which of his results are sourced as well ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:04, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Kieran Modra

Article: Kieran Modra (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): The Guardian, ABC News

• Nominated by RebeccaGreen (talk • give credit)
• Updated by KH-1 (talk • give credit) and Aussiesportlibrarian (talk • give credit) and Canley (talk • give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Article well sourced and updated. Australian Paralympic swimmer and tandem cyclist, died in cycling accident. RebeccaGreen (talk) 10:48, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support - Seems sourced and ready.--BabbaQ (talk) 11:01, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support - Seconded. Nice looking article ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:02, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
• Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:13, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

November 12

Portal:Current events/2019 November 12

Current events of November 12, 2019 (2019-11-12) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Gaza–Israel conflict Israel conducts airstrikes on Islamic Jihad Movement in Palestine (PIJ) targets in Gaza Strip. (NPR) Disasters and accidents Mondobhag train collision Two passenger trains collide head-on in Kasba, Bangladesh, killing at least 16 people and injuring over 100. (Yahoo! News) Sea level rise driven by effects of global warming on oceans, Acqua alta An exceptional high tide of 187 centimetres (6.14 ft) hits flooded Venice, Italy. It is the second highest acqua alta in Venetian history, after the 1966 Venice flood. Two deaths are reported. (NDTV) (BBC News) (The Guardian) Law and crime LGBT rights in Uganda Police in Uganda raid a gay-friendly bar in Kampala and charge 67 people with "common nuisance" in what is described as the "latest attack on Uganda's LGBT community". (The New York Times) Crime in China A man attacks a kindergarten class in Kaiyuan, China, with chemical spray, injuring 51 children and three teachers. (CNN) Crime in Thailand In Chanthaburi Province, Thailand, an ex-policeman shoots and kills two people, including a former prime minister's lawyer and a plaintiff, before being killed by return fire. (ABC News) Politics and elections 2019 Hong Kong protests As the situation worsens with clashes in the central financial district, police say violence is bringing the city to the "brink of total breakdown". Large-scale protests continue near the City University of Hong Kong, Chinese University of Hong Kong, and other districts including Central and Tai Po. (Reuters) After police shoot a protester with live ammunition, Hong Kong leader Carrie Lam speaks out and labels the protesters as "selfish" for "paralyzing" the city and urges all students not to take part in protests. (Reuters) Police investigate protesters for attempted murder after they are filmed setting a 57-year-old man on fire during an argument. (CNA) November 2019 Spanish general election Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez from the PSOE and Pablo Iglesias, leader of the left-wing Podemos, announce a first government agreement that will constitute the first coalition government in Spain's democratic history. This follows the failure to reach an agreement last summer and the rise of the far-right party Vox. (The New York Times) 2019 Catalan protests, Catalan independence movement Protesters block the two main passages between Spain and France. In La Jonquera, on the border between Catalonia and France, French National Police try to expel rioters. (The Guardian) (BBC News) The Parliament of Catalonia approves a resolution expressing willingness to exercise the right to self-determination concretely, mocking the warnings of the Constitutional Court, which suspends its effects shortly thereafter. (The New York Times) During the night, some major throughways of Barcelona and Tarragona and national roads in Basque Country are blocked for a few minutes. (The Local) 2019 Bolivian protests, Evo Morales government resignation Despite lacking a quorum in a session of the National Congress, Senator Jeanine Áñez immediately declares herself President of Bolivia due to the vacancy arising from the resignation and exile of Evo Morales. (The New York Times) 2019 United Kingdom general election Nigel Farage announces that his Brexit Party will withdraw its candidates in the 317 seats that the ruling Conservative Party won in the last general election. The move is expected to increase the chances of a Conservative majority in parliament. (The Washington Times) Politics of Moldova A vote of no-confidence oustes the government of Prime Minister Maia Sandu after breaking the coalition government with Socialist Party. (Reuters)

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(Posted) RD: Edwin Bramall

Article: Edwin Bramall (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): The Times

• Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk • give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Article well sourced and updated --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:40, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support - An admirable man and an impressive article ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 18:52, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support Well sourced, a true hero and ready for the main page. Only question I would have, should we list it as "Edwin Bramall" or "Lord Bramall"? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 20:45, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

  I have deferred to the article's current title — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:43, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

• Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:43, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

November 11

Portal:Current events/2019 November 11

Current events of November 11, 2019 (2019-11-11) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2019 Bolivian protests, Evo Morales government resignation Buildings are set alight in La Paz overnight in apparent retaliatory attacks after Evo Morales resigned under pressure from anger over his disputed re-election. (Reuters) Armed gangs attack people in Cochabamba who appear to be celebrating Evo Morales's resignation. (The New York Times) Drinking water supplies to La Paz and El Alto, Bolivia's top two largest cities, are cut off. (The New York Times) Former Bolivian President Evo Morales says he has accepted an offer of political asylum in Mexico and boards a Mexican government plane as Bolivian Army troops are deployed in the capital. (BBC News) Gaza–Israel conflict The Israel Defense Forces say they've killed Baha Abu al-Ata, leader of the Islamic Jihad Movement in Palestine's armed wing known as the Al-Quds Brigades, in an airstrike on a building in the Gaza Strip. PIJ confirms the death of Baha Abu al-Ata and his wife, vowing to "shake the Zionist entity to its core" in response. (Haaretz) (The Jerusalem Post) Syrian Civil War, Israeli involvement in the Syrian Civil War Israeli Air Force jets target a downtown Damascus house belonging to Islamic Jihad Movement in Palestine. The strike killed one of the militant's son. (Haaretz) Three blasts targeting the town of Qamishli in Syria kill 6 and wound dozens of others. All the blasts were claimed by ISIL. (Al Jazeera) ISIL also claims responsibility for the killing of an Armenian priest and his father. (Vatican News) Gunmen kill nine in twin attacks in Punjab a Pakistan province. The ambushes killed two police officers, two intelligence officers and an informant in the first attack. The second attack happened at a checkpoint when unknown gunmen killed an officer and three others. (TOLOnews) (Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty) A 33-year-old Yemeni man stabbed and wounded three Spanish theatre actors in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Is not known if the attack is in protest against the war in Yemen or for the attacker's opposition to Saudi Arabia’s growing entertainment industry. (The Arab Weekly) Arts and culture The wreckage of United States Navy submarine USS Grayback (SS-208), which disappeared with its 80 crew members in the East China Sea on February 27, 1944 during World War II, is discovered on the sea floor using new drone technology. (BBC News) (CNN) Law and crime James Le Mesurier, the British co-founder of the White Helmets, a volunteer civil defence organisation in Syria, is found dead near his home in Istanbul, Turkey. The cause of death is not known. (BBC News) Cristian Sabou pleads guilty to the murder of Valerie Graves. He is convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment with a minimum of 23 years 272 days. (The Guardian) Politics and elections 2019 Hong Kong protests Protesters in Hong Kong call for a city-wide strike amidst an escalation in violence. Police shot a man with a live round at point-blank range in Sai Wan Ho district, besieged the Chinese University of Hong Kong and the Hong Kong Polytechnic University, and fired tear gas inside the campuses. (Reuters) Embattled Hong Kong leader Carrie Lam says on Monday that violence has exceeded protesters' demands for democracy and labels the demonstrators as the "people's enemy". (Reuters) The Kiribati High Court clears the way for the opposition to file a motion of no confidence against President Taneti Mamau amid reported discontent with the government's decision to switch its diplomatic recognition of Taiwan to recognition of the People's Republic of China. (Radio New Zealand) International reactions to the persecution of Rohingyas in Myanmar Fifty-seven countries file a lawsuit in the International Court of Justice against Myanmar, formally accusing their government of committing a genocide against the country's Rohingya population. (ABC News) 2019 United Kingdom general election Major parties put forward veterans' platforms for Remembrance Day, the first in a campaign season since the 1923 election, with the Conservatives proposing an amendment to the Human Rights Act so that it will no longer apply to The Troubles or other 20th-century actions and the Labour Party promising extra childcare for military families and a new railcard for veterans. This is the 100th anniversary of the two-minute silence and other Armistice Day commemorations worldwide. (BBC News) Science and technology Transit of Mercury In a rare celestial event, Mercury passes directly between Earth and the Sun for five and a half hours. Mercury's next transit will be in 2032. (CBS News)

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RD: Charles Rogers (American football)

Article: Charles Rogers (American football) (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): CBS News

• Updated and nominated by DBigXray (talk • give credit)
• Updated by Arbor to SJ (talk • give credit)

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Nominator's comments: C Class article with excellent sourcing DBigXrayᗙ 15:05, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose Large swathes of text are unreferenced, contrary to assertion by OP. --Jayron32 16:47, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose A significant number of claims are unsourced, including many that are BLP issues (which apply to the recently deceased). Black Kite (talk) 20:53, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: James Le Mesurier

Article: James Le Mesurier (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): The Independent

• Nominated by Miraclepine (talk • give credit)
• Updated by Philip Cross (talk • give credit) and Jwslubbock (talk • give credit) and Mvolz (talk • give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Founder of the White Helmets volunteer organization. Responses section needs a neutrality fix and there's one unsourced sentence in the "Work with the White Helmets" section, but other than that it looks good. ミラP 22:25, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose orange tag will need resolving - when fixed, support. Well-cited article. Kingsif (talk) 22:59, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support when the orange tag is removed. The article is mostly well-sourced. RebeccaGreen (talk) 00:35, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

• Comment I've just edited the article a bit, adding more sourced information about his work with the White Helmets, and deleting an unsourced and incomplete sentence in that section. RebeccaGreen (talk) 01:14, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support – Looks good now. Significant improvements made. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 08:05, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support The information in paretheses under Military service surely means something, but it's lost on ENGVAR and JARGON. Presumably, he was in the military while not under command, or somesuch. If that was the extent of his official service, then I don't know why there should be a Military service section.130.233.2.197 (talk) 12:05, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

• It seems that he joined the army before he was on active service. His actual service is covered by "He was promoted to lieutenant on 11 August 1993, and to captain on 11 August 1996. He worked with the United Nations peacekeeping force in the former Yugoslavia. He retired from the military on 1 June 2000." So that's 7 years of military service, after 3 years at university sponsored by the army, and about 6 weeks on probation at Sandhurst. Perhaps that section could be edited to make that a bit clearer. RebeccaGreen (talk) 12:41, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

• I believe this is the Officers' Training Corps, but someone with more knowledge of British military organization would need to confirm. The U.S. has a similar system called the Reserve Officers' Training Corps of which I am more familiar, but the source is not clear on this. --Jayron32 13:13, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

• Delay until article is more settled. I'm not experienced with ITN proposals, but with the Turkish media talking about his wife saying Le Mesurier was thinking of suicide 15 days before his death and was on psychiatric medication, it looks like there likely will be significant messy developments before too long. I wouldn't add such stuff at the moment on WP:BLP and WP:RS grounds, but here is an example. Rwendland (talk) 16:06, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

• He was on "psychiatric medication"? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:15, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

• Posted. Black Kite (talk) 20:14, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Transit of Mercury

Article: Transit of Mercury (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Mercury transits the Sun.
News source(s): The Independent, timeanddate.com

• Nominated by Arseny1992 (talk • give credit)

Nominator's comments: Currently ongoing. Quite rare astronomical event. Arseny1992 (talk) 13:29, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support It is not a super rare event (last was 3 yrs ago, next is about 20) but this is along the lines of total eclipses and the like, so fair enough to post. --Masem (t) 14:46, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

According to that article, the next transit of Mercury is projected for 2032 Nov 13, which is 13 years from now. Banedon (talk) 22:25, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

• Comment - the article is not up to standard, several unsourced data in tables, sentences or even paragraphs. starship.paint (talk) 14:47, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

  @Arseny1992: - I suggest you improve the article by citing sources for all information in text or tables. starship.paint (talk) 15:02, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose, there seems to be no prose about this specific transit, and the pattern of the article suggests there never will be any. --LukeSurl ^{t c} 15:41, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
• Weak oppose. Whilst this is indeed a rare event (next one is in 2032), and I've been watching a live stream of it, at this point it's little more than trivia. All the science that can be obtained from such events was extracted centuries ago. ITN did post 2012 transit of Venus, but that event got a lot more public attention and a stand-alone article. That's even more true of total eclipses, which still have difficulty filling an article with useful information. Other than 'rare event happened exactly as predicted', it's not clear what could be said about this transit. There's certainly no substantial new content in transit of Mercury (currently just a tense change). Creating a new article and getting it into DYK would be better than putting the generic article in ITN. Modest Genius ^talk 15:46, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
• Comment - Well as this transit is about to end soon, so no point to post on ITN now. As astronomical events can be predicted to eternity into the future, this probably needs to be posted on ITN/R instead and be notified in due time without short notice before one occur (be it a transit or any type of eclipse). --Arseny1992 (talk) 15:55, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose, call for close Didn't seem particularly important, and is (almost) over now. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 17:50, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
• Comment I'm not sure why something described by a reliable source as an ""incredibly rare celestial event" should be snow-closed. It won't happen for another 20-odd years. ITN does cover events that have completed, so no reason to just shut this down. Probably as notable (and indeed rarer) as many other predictable celestial events, such a total eclipse. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:25, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
• Weak support as notable as eclipses etc, and rare, as noted above, but the article could use some work. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:26, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Article doesn't have much info on this more than one line in a table. If it's not notable enough to have more than a brief mention on the general article about the topic then surely it's not notable enough for ITN.  Nixinova  T / C   21:48, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per Masem - it's not a rare event. Banedon (talk) 22:15, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

  CLARIFICATION: Masem said it wasn't a "super rare" event, and it won't happen again for 20 years. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 22:18, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

• Note: I've reopened this nomination, which I felt was closed prematurely. Although I !voted oppose, 5v3 is not 'clear consensus', the nomination has been open for less than 24 hours, and the outcome could change if there is substantial expansion of the article (or creation of a new one). Let this one play out a bit longer. Modest Genius ^talk 11:27, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support The article is updated, the subject has some news coverage, the article is okay. Yes, it's not world-changing, but neither are the rote violence and protests that we post on ITN. We can call this a genuinely rare event that will not be repeated anytime soon without running afould of CRYSTAL.130.233.2.197 (talk) 11:53, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
  • I don't see any prose update in the article. The 2019 event just has one line in a data table. Modest Genius ^talk 12:58, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support - Glad this was reopened. It is a sufficiently rare astronomical event. Definitely encyclopedic. WaltCip (talk) 12:04, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose The specific occurrence doesn't even seem to merit its own article (unlike eclipses, where we generally post the stand-alone article about the event). The information about this transit appears to be confined to a date in a chart. There's just not enough Wikipedia content about this event to make it worth posting to the main page. If there were a sizable stand-alone article, or at least a several-paragraph section in a more general article, I could support it. However, there is not enough there there. --Jayron32 13:16, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

A Mercury of transit

• Oppose – Consensus against on ephemeral nature of (past) event, lack of general visibility and lack of wider significance. – Sca (talk) 14:26, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose - I had to add 36 {{cn|date=November 2019}} tags because I already warned about unsourced information earlier, but it was not fixed. starship.paint (talk) 14:42, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

But on the plus side, it could be illustrated with this pic. – Sca (talk) 23:01, 12 November 2019 (UTC) →

Comment IMHO requesting sources for every obvious claim is considered disruptive, as well as requesting sources for every table item that result in what happens currently with ref #25. Especially when every occurrence of any astronomical event can be calculated up and is at NASA anyway, thus the table exists. Or Wikipedia is going nowadays only about adding sources to everything, including adding {{cn}} even to simple obvious claims such as "1+1 equals 2.", then this would be requiring getting a reference, which then explains in long detail why 2 is a sum of 1+1? Common sense guess would work better. If a meteorite would start falling, or aliens from alternate dimension would be invading, the last thing you probably would be doing, is requiring news sources for claims. As for this transit, when it did occur, you as well probably could watch it happen: you don't get a transit or eclipse everyday, and well since this discussion haven't gathered much in favor for notability of a rare event, it may be closed, but is to be taken into account when next transit/eclipse is about to occur, so probably best to note such events as ITN/R criteria. --Arseny1992 (talk) 20:26, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

@Arseny1992: - in my view as a layperson in this field, nothing unsourced in the article fits simple obvious claims such as "1+1 equals 2." You can't expect our readers to be versed in astronomy. If you can find something to disprove my assertion, post it. starship.paint (talk) 08:27, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

• Weak oppose I sort of want to see this on the main page since it's not common by any measure, but there's no way an article on this would have enough data, as seen through the linked article not even being specific to the date. Pie3141527182 (talk) 23:32, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

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