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This page provides a forum for editors to suggest items for inclusion on In the news (ITN), a protected template on the Main Page, as well as the forum for discussion of candidates. This is not the page to report errors in the ITN section on the Main Page—please go to the appropriate section at WP:ERRORS. Archives of past nominations can be found here.

This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. Under each daily section header below is the transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day (with a light green header). Each day's portal page is followed by a subsection for suggestions and discussion.

A blurb is a one sentence summary of the news story. An alternate suggestion for the blurb is called an altblurb, and any more suggestions get labelled alt1, alt2, etc. A blurb needs at least one target article, highlighted in bold; reviewers check the quality of that article and whether it is updated, and whether reliable sources demonstrate the significance of the event. Other articles can also be linked. The Ongoing line is for regularly updated articles which cover events that remain in the news over a longer period of time. RD stands for the "recent deaths" line, and can include any living thing whose death was recently announced. In some cases, recent deaths may need additional explanation as provided by a blurb; this is decided by consensus.

Sir David Amess
Sir David Amess

How to nominate an item[edit]

In order to suggest a candidate:

  • Update an article to be linked to from the blurb to include the recent developments, or find an article that has already been updated.
  • Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated).
    • Do not add sections for new dates. These are automatically generated (at midnight UTC) by a bot; creating them manually breaks this process.
  • Nominate the blurb for ITN inclusion under the "Suggestions" subheading for the date, emboldening the link in the blurb to the updated article. Use a level 4 header (====) when doing so.
    • Preferably use the template {{ITN candidate}} to nominate the article related to the event in the news. Make sure that you include a reference from a verifiable, reliable secondary source. Press releases are not acceptable. The suggested blurb should be written in simple present tense.
    • Adding an explanation why the event should be posted greatly increases the odds of posting.
  • Please consider alerting editors to the nomination by adding the template {{ITN note}} to the corresponding article's talk page.

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There are criteria which guide the decision on whether or not to put a particular item on In the news, based largely on the extensiveness of the updated content and the perceived significance of the recent developments. These are listed at WP:ITN.

Submissions that do not follow the guidelines at Wikipedia:In the news will not be placed onto the live template.

Headers[edit]

  • Items that have been posted or pulled from the main page are generally marked with (Posted) or (Pulled) in the item's subject so it is clear they are no longer active.
  • Items can also be marked as (Ready) when the article is both updated and there seems to be a consensus to post. The posting admin, however, should always judge the update and the consensus to post themselves. If you find an entry that you don't feel is ready to post is marked (Ready), you should remove the mark in the header.

Voicing an opinion on an item[edit]

  • Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated.

Please do not...[edit]

  1. add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are usually not helpful. Instead, explain the reasons why you think the item meets or does not meet the ITN inclusion criteria so a consensus can be reached.
  2. oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive.
  3. accuse other editors of supporting, opposing or nominating due to a personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). Conflicts of interest are not handled at ITN.
  4. comment on a story without first reading the relevant article(s).
  5. oppose a recurring item here because you disagree with the recurring items criteria. The criteria can be discussed at the relevant talk page.
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2021 Cape Verdean presidential election[edit]

Article: 2021 Cape Verdean presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: PAICV candidate José Maria Neves is elected President of Cape Verde. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: With 97% of the of votes counted, it's almost sure that Neves will be elected. Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 22:14, 17 October 2021 (UTC) PS: Several Portuguese media outlets (see here, here) are reporting Neves as the winner.--Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 00:08, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]

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(Posted) RD: Leo Boivin[edit]

Article: Leo Boivin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NHL.com; Ottawa Citizen; Sports Illustrated
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 04:25, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • Support Seems to be properly referenced Scaramouche33 (talk) 08:23, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Posted --PFHLai (talk) 19:33, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

(Closed) Striketober[edit]

Consensus will not develop to post this. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 00:57, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: Striketober (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, France24, New York, NPR, NBC News
Credits:
Nominator's comments: One of the largest labor strike waves in the United States in the nation's recent history. Hundreds of thousands of workers in the United States are participating or planning for strikes. This includes the 2021 John Deere strike, 2021 Kellogg's strike and 2021 IATSE strike.--WMrapids (talk) 04:06, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose Unless the strikes are large enough to paralyze the US economy and bring the government to the negotiating table, I doubt it's going to have a lasting impact. Also the article could use some work, for example there's no mention of the Taft-Hartley Act in the background section (Although I'm not sure if a background section talking about the history of labor unions in the US is really that necessary) Scaramouche33 (talk) 08:24, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment. This sounds like it might be better for Ongoing, although I'm not certain the article would be updated consistently. 331dot (talk) 08:37, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose not enough coverage for ITN, which isn't intended to be a republishing of an American news website. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:10, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Joseph2302 As noted above, "Please do not oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive." 331dot (talk) 09:27, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
I'm opposing because it's not important enough. If this wasn't in the US, nobody would consider nominating it, it's just one of the way too many not important US-centric nominations. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:53, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
That's it Joseph... _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 13:10, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Joseph2302 My comment still stands. If you would like to see more non-US items posted, please nominate them. We can only consider what is nominated. 331dot (talk) 21:45, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose per Joseph and Scaramouch. Come on…strikes happens everywhere! Also the general ones. Unnotable (per now). _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 09:35, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose Not important enough. Tradediatalk 10:50, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment – So far largely absent from main RS news sites. – Sca (talk) 11:50, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Clarification@Sca:, @Tradedia:, @Alsoriano97:, @Joseph2302:, @331dot:, my intention was to make this an ongoing nomination (that's why I didn't include a blurb). The ITN template has been updated, my mistake. Just wanted to ping you all in case you had a different opinion on including this as an ongoing news event.--WMrapids (talk) 13:49, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • I appreciate your good faith, but I still oppose this nomination. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 15:46, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Still oppose ongoing. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:01, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose It feels like even the major news sources consider the connection between these strikes as somewhat coincidental (but there are reasons for common timing), and as such, so far not a major news story in of itself. --Masem (t) 15:59, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose - with thanks to the good faith nom, but Ongoing nominations still need to satisfy the same newsworthiness criteria as blurb items; and under most circumstances they would start life as a blurb anyway, rolling onto Ongoing when they reach the bottom of the list if they're still receiving regular updattes.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:02, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose Good faith no, but only the individual strikes should count if they do at all This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 00:44, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
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RD: Alan Hawkshaw[edit]

Article: Alan Hawkshaw (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Composer of the Countdown theme. Needs quite a bit of work. Blythwood (talk) 22:23, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

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(Posted) RD: Gerd Ruge[edit]

Article: Gerd Ruge (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Die Zeit; Der Spiegel
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German journalist, author and filmmaker. He was considered a reporter legend. Grimes2 (talk) 15:55, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • Suggestion: With under 1600 characters of prose, this wikibio looks rather stubby. Perhaps the "important reports" can be incorporated into the prose to make it less stubby? --PFHLai (talk) 01:51, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    Thanks PFHLai, Expanded the article and has now shaped into a C-class biography. Can expand further, but, the article meets hygiene expectations for homepage / RD in its current form. Ktin (talk) 04:51, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    • 6000+ characters now! That's an impressive growth just overnight! --PFHLai (talk) 15:05, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support The article is in good shape and well-referenced. Hanamanteo (talk) 06:03, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Posted --PFHLai (talk) 15:05, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Tropical Storm Kompasu[edit]

Article: Tropical Storm Kompasu (2021) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Severe Tropical Storm Kompasu kills 40 people in the Philippines and Hong Kong. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Severe Tropical Storm Kompasu causes severe agricultural damage and flooding in the Philippines, killing 39 people.
News source(s): AlJazeera, DW
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Caused nearly php3 billion in agricultural damage in the Philippines. Will likely be retired. Destroyer (Alternate account) 21:28, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • Oppose $20 million USD isn't that much damage, and the death toll is routine for this part of the season. Damage is missing for Hainan and the rest of Southeast Asia. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 00:48, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    • @Nova Crystallis: php 2.97 Billion ($58 million USD) is a lot of damage to a developing country that is heavily reliant on agriculture. More than a billion php in losses in the agricultural sector. Will update the article. Destroyer (Alternate account) 01:24, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support though with updates that Destroyeraa stated they will add and of course pending additions. --Masem (t) 02:40, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support We've posted stuff like this before. Heythereimaguy (talk) 17:28, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support – A significant storm badly affecting the region. STSC (talk) 20:18, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose storm season is storm season and this one isn’t bad enough to even make the Asia page of BBC news. Kingsif (talk) 21:31, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Note @Nova Crystallis and Masem: Updates have been made, Hainan impact added. Destroyer (Alternate account) 22:19, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support death toll is clearly notable, and this is the fourth-deadliest tropical cyclone of the year so far. Article quality is more than sufficient for ITN. NorthernFalcon (talk) 01:58, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support – After a period of consideration, I've come to the conclusion that this storm is notable enough for an ITN posting. Sure, this storm may be seem like a lot to some people, but it has a significant death toll, and it did a substantial amount of agricultural damage in the Philippines, in addition to having notable impacts elsewhere. Also, NorthernFalcon is right in pointing out that Kompasu is currently the 4th-deadliest tropical cyclone in 2021. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 22:18, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment this storm dissipated on 14 October, I don't see how it's still a current event for ITN? If nominated a week ago, I would have supported, but it seems stale to me (unless anyone can convince me otherwise?) Joseph2302 (talk) 23:14, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    • I can stick this in as the 4th item on ITN, I suppose. Any more SUPPORT votes? --PFHLai (talk) 23:59, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support Per support comments above. SodaSoummelier (talk) 00:45, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]

(Posted) 2021 Indian Premier League Final[edit]

Article: 2021 Indian Premier League Final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​In cricket, Chennai Super Kings win the Indian Premier League. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​In cricket, the Indian Premier League concludes with Chennai Super Kings defeating Kolkata Knight Riders in the final.
News source(s): ESPNCricinfo
Credits:

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: ITNR. Article requires some prose updates and should be ready soon. Prose added. Article looks good for homepage. Ktin (talk) 17:57, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • Oppose almost no prose in there at all. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:08, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    @The Rambling Man:, thanks. Prose updates for the match have been completed. If there is anything else that is required, please do let know. Ktin (talk) 20:35, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support. Article has been expanded, and its inclusion would be in line with precedent set by the inclusion of events such as Super Bowl LV. Unrelated to my support, and on the topic of the article - it might be worth explaining why it was played in Dubai rather than India. I assume that this is due to COVID, but it would be good if the article clarified. BilledMammal (talk) 00:53, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support - Article looks great! Sherenk1 (talk) 02:11, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support Article in good shape. Wizardoftheyear (talk) 02:29, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support article looks fine as it has a match summary. ALT1 follows our normal postings for sports matches with finals, ALT0 is an WP:EASTEREGG link to the article on the final. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:12, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Posted --PFHLai (talk) 11:45, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

(Posted) Killing of David Amess[edit]

It's been posted, other such similar events can be discussed at a more appropriate venue. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:06, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Killing of David Amess (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​British Member of Parliament Sir David Amess (pictured) dies after being stabbed during a constituency meeting. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, The Guardian, CNN, AP, Reuters, BBC (2), Sydney Morning Herald
Credits:
Nominator's comments: The story is developing so the target article isn't quite up to date. I believe this is newsworthy regardless of the severity of his injuries. We did post the Congressional baseball shooting in 2017 for reference. -- Calidum 13:38, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Wait We don't yet know the extent of his injuries, and the article is still a stub.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:40, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment We also posted the murder of MP Cox in 2016. Attacks on legislators are rare in most western democracies. 331dot (talk) 13:54, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Wait to see the outcome/extent of his injuries. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:56, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose – One person injured killed wouldn't make the grade, no matter how extraordinary the circumstances, unless it could be shown that organized terrorism was involved. – Sca (talk) 14:00, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
I don't think it has to be terrorism, but any deliberate attack. Just my opinion. 331dot (talk) 14:04, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
For what it's worth, if the attack was because he was an MP or because of his political views, that qualifies as terrorism under UK law. Though the murderer of Jo Cox wasn't actually charged under terrorism, he was dealt with throughout the trial as a terrorism case. -- KTC (talk) 14:27, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Well, Wiki/ITN isn't governed by UK law. – Sca (talk) 14:39, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Surely anywhere in the world the assassination of a member of a legislature is considered to be an attack on the state and hence terrorism? This isn’t a question of law it is a question of notability. -- keirstitt (talk) 15:12, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose on article quality of bolded article. Article is barely longer than a stub, and contains next to no useful information beyond what would be included in a blurb. Would support if there were a more detailed article to highlight on the main page. --Jayron32 14:07, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    Change to support Article has developed to a point where it is acceptable to the main page. It should probably still keep being expanded as more information becomes available, but it is already in a better state than it was when I first assessed it. --Jayron32 16:20, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • He's dead. Leaky caldron (talk) 14:14, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    And someone's been arrested. [1] [2] [3]Sca (talk) 14:20, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support in principle as we posted MP Jo Cox. But article will need more expansion once more information is known about the circumstances- I'm sure news sites like the BBC will do comprehensive articles about it in the next couple of hours. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:22, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose. It would be odd for me to simultaneously oppose a bow and arrow attack that kills 5 while supporting a knife attack that kills 1. Each is a tragedy, nobody likes to see loss of life, but with all due respect to Amess I don't see his notability as rising to the level at which we'd automatically post (e.g. if he was a top government official or something).  — Amakuru (talk) 14:24, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support since he tragically died. Murders of sitting national legislators are rare. That said the article should not be titled "murder" yet.(update: it's not, didn't realize it was a redirect) 331dot (talk) 14:28, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Wait as quality of the article, particularly his political career, needs improvement - particularly the area currently tagged "one source". Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:33, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support in principle, per prior precedent, and it is currently receiving international coverage, with a red breaking news banner on both the NBC and CNN websites.Jackattack1597 (talk) 14:37, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    Spot news. – Sca (talk) 14:41, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support in principle but the article quality is not there yet. -- Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:40, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    Full support now it's been expanded.Pawnkingthree (talk) 18:22, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • RD only as he does not rise to the significance level required for a blurb, even given the unusual circumstances of this death.--WaltCip-(talk) 14:42, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    You are kidding right? A Member of Parliament has been assassinated. This is a "death is the story" nomination. -- Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:44, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support in principle -- KTC (talk) 14:43, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support – RD only – Per Walt. – Sca (talk) 14:45, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support: High profile assassination. – Illegitimate Barrister (talkcontribs), 14:48, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support blurb, highly uncommon event; circumstances of the death are the story. Connormah (talk) 14:55, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support blurb This is definitely Jo Cox and 1/6 level.  – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 15:03, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support blurb (edit conflict) As with all instances where the story in the news is about the death, rather than about the person once they have died, we should consider a blurb. Since this is the assassination of a sitting lawmaker in a peaceful nation, the news rises to notability for inclusion. I don’t think we need to consider the case of Jo Cox when making that decision, but her assassination (and I am surprised the articles aren’t titled that way) was posted. I think anyone saying RD only is deliberately ignoring the point of deaths being blurbed and are looking at the person’s individual notability rather than the actual news story. Amess didnt die of natural causes, it’s a political assassination. For another comparison, 1/6 could arguably be boiled down to an attempted assassination of politicians, and none died but the significance of its occurrence in a relatively peaceful nation was the news. Kingsif (talk) 15:08, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • You're conflating two separate concepts. A blurb nom for any story must be deemed sufficiently significant by consensus. If the are not blurbed, then we can post an RD as applicable. But it doesn't work the other way: we don't automatically post a blurb because an RD-eligible subject is murdered. GreatCaesarsGhost 15:31, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • I wasn’t saying automatically blurb any death that has a story, I was saying we must consider blurbs for them, then said this one was notable because of the political angle. I very separately noted that the calls for only an RD were making the argument that Amess isn’t notable enough on his own for a blurb, which I agree with, if he had died of natural causes, but he isn’t the subject. I hope this is clear if my original comment somehow wasn’t; I agree with you, you misunderstood me. Kingsif (talk) 16:25, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
I'm not sure it's appropriate in any case to list a murder as an RD. If an RD eligible person is murdered then the murder would always be a notable story in itself, if not then they wouldn't be RD eligible either. - keirstitt (talk) 15:12, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
And Giffords didn’t even die! On a less plain note, I thought an above comment said it was no longer a stub? Kingsif (talk) 15:15, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Six people did though. It says 957 B (162 words) "readable prose size" as it doesn't count the bulleted "responses", and I wouldn't either. I support in principle but no rush. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:20, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support blurb in principle but wait for details to be released and the article to develop. At present it has just three sentences on what actually happened. He only died an hour ago, we can wait a bit longer for information to be released. Modest Genius talk 15:14, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support on principle but Oppose on current article quality. The article is bloated with response and thin on the details that we need for this. --Masem (t) 15:15, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support - a major event. GiantSnowman 15:19, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support blurb in principle extremely rare for a politician in a western democracy to be assassinated. Steelkamp (talk) 15:20, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose. People get stabbed all the time, sadly, and he was a relatively low-profile politician, certainly not somebody at the Thatcher or Mandela level whose death we'd note in a blurb if he had died in any other manner. Sandstein 15:21, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    • That "Mandela/Thatcher line" is for when the death is of natural causes, not when the death itself is the story. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:23, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    • Do sitting legislators get stabbed all the time? -- Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:25, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
      • No, but the story is a cross-section of common events: knife murder (common) and low-level politician dies (also common); combining the two, even if rare in combination, does not make for main-page material. Sandstein 16:28, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
        • Can you recall, specifically, the last murder of a sitting politician which was raised here and not posted? I'm just wondering if they're really that common. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ 16:30, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
          Well, there is the List of assassinated serving British MPs, so it seems to be not that uncommon even in the UK. And I don't think that I'm committing too much OR by assuming that in certain conflict-prone regions of the world (e.g. Afghanistan) MPs are murdered with rather more regularity, but I haven't seen loads of Wikipedians wanting to post those cases here. One might call this systemic bias. (And if we go by rarity, we should cover the murdering MPs, not the murdered MPs.) Sandstein 17:15, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
          • Nine in over two centuries (and that's just counting from the first instance, not from the beginning of parliament) feels like it is uncommon, if anything. And to your second point, if you want to nominate one of those instances then we can post it, but "no one asked for X, so we shouldn't do Y either" is a far cry from sound logic. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ 17:24, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
        • (ec) I don't think a sitting member of a national legislature is "low level". He had also been an MP since 1997, and was well known and regarded from what I read; he had been knighted for his service. 331dot (talk) 16:31, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment – At 151 words of text, article is a stub, barely half a stub at that. At this pt. not eligible for a blurb, only RD. – Sca (talk) 15:35, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    @Sca: We understand you don't think this should be posted as a blurb. You don't have to say it 3 times. -- KTC (talk) 15:49, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    It certainly is eligible for a blurb, as the nomination is for his death, a murder of a sitting member of a national legislature, as an event itself, not just him. 331dot (talk) 15:51, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Now it's a tad over 400 words, ergo technically eligible for a blurb, although on the thin side for one. – Sca (talk) 17:08, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support blurb the assassination of a federal elected official is more significant than a run-of-the-mill murder, and merits a blurb. Article appears to have been expanded recently, and should now meet the quality requirements for a blurb. NorthernFalcon (talk) 15:56, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support A knighted MP who has been in Parliament for over 38 years is not a low-profile politician and cannot be dismissed on the basis that "people get stabbed all the time". Leaky caldron (talk) 15:58, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support The assassination of a Member of Parliament is a major story. Saying "people get stabbed all the time" is, quite frankly, offensive. GreebleNeeble (talk) 16:13, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment. Article retitled. 331dot (talk) 16:19, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Weak oppose I find it hard to believe that if he were a member of parliament in another country he wouldn't even have the coverage he has and wouldn't even be nominated. And my opinion would be the same. The assassination of a lawmaker does not seem so notorious to me, because, however important his office may be, Amess was "just another one", not a parliamentary leader or a party leader. Not all MPs have the same relevance, so not all should be given the same relevance. RIP._-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 16:33, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • It was the British equivalent of a US congressman being killed at a rally. Maybe in nations with more polemic politics such a thing is commonplace, but I can’t think of a one. Kingsif (talk) 17:34, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support - the killing of a lawmaker in a country where it rarely happens is inherently notable enough for ITN. If this happened in the US or Canada, I'd also support posting it. --Rockstone[Send me a message!] 16:36, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • In which country is the murder of lawmakers a national sport? _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 16:41, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support RD, neutral on blurb - definitely notable enough for RD. A blurb? Not too sure. Heythereimaguy (talk) 16:40, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support RD, oppose blurb. Major story in the UK and a story internationally, but the killing of an individual representative who is not in their country's government cabinet does not rise to blurb level. Cox may have been a blurb but the discussion was hardly one of overwhelming consensus. — Bilorv (talk) 16:42, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support blurb Political violence, much less outright assassination is extremely rare in the UK. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:43, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment Assassination of MPs is almost unheard of in the UK so when it occurs, it's a huge story. As seen on List_of_serving_British_MPs_who_were_assassinated there have been nine in our history and five of those were related to The_Troubles. This is a big deal and should be treated as such. GreebleNeeble (talk) 16:46, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support blurb and/or RD This is a serious high profile issue, assassination of British MPs are rare and we have precidence for this as we posted Jo Cox's murder. I would support the blurb and the article is well sourced enough for an RD at least. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 17:09, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support blurb - Murder of a politician is unusual in Europe. High profile.BabbaQ (talk) 17:17, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support blurb as per The C of E. --LukeSurl t c 17:50, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support blurb but don't forget to add the 'Sir' honorific before his name. ♦ jaguar 17:57, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Per MOS:SIR, his knighthood is an honorary one (according to the Knight Bachelor page), so we should not include "Sir" in front of his name (at least, if I am reading that correctly, I may be wrong). --Masem (t) 18:07, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Honorary knighthoods are given to those who are not British citizens. "Sir" in front of his name is correct usage.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 18:34, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment Is there any reason we cannot also make his bio article bolded? The only major issue right now on it is the "Current event" tag on the death section, which is not a critical quality issue. --Masem (t) 18:09, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment – Discussion totals 2,500 words. Seems time for an uninvolved admin to do something with this nom. – Sca (talk) 18:12, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Posted. Black Kite (talk) 18:26, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment Last major English political figure stabbed in a church was 715 years ago. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:31, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • OK, 841 years, if you're going to demand historical realism. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:00, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
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Beirut clashes[edit]

Article: 2021 Beirut clashes (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​In Beirut, a series of violent clashes leave 6 people killed and 32 injured. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera NYT CNN
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Worst street violence in Lebanon since 2008. Notable enough. TootsieRollsAddict (talk to me pls I am lonely) 00:06, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • Support in principle. However, the article should be expanded with more content on the actual clashes and consequences.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:45, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Weak oppose for now based on quality. The article has a "timeline" section that only has one event. That's... not right. If this is a series and not an event, it should, you know, actually cover the whole series. --Jayron32 14:08, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose on quality way short of a substantial enough article for the front page. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:00, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Weak oppose still tagged as a stub, although it's probably just beyond that. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:07, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose "The article has a timeline section that only has one event" because it is only one isolated event. No evidence of lasting significance. Notable enough for an article but not for an ITN. Tradediatalk 23:37, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]

October 14[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

  • Brazil's Central Bank sells US$1 billion to offset declines in the real, which has fallen ⅓ relative to the dollar in 2021 alone, with another US$1 billion in sales scheduled for later today. (Mercopress)
  • LinkedIn announces that it will shut down its social media services in China later this year, citing heavy-handed compliance requirements from the government, and will replace it with a traditional job-listing site. LinkedIn was the only major Western-based social media site to legally operate within the country prior to the announcement. (BBC News)

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

Law and crime

Politics and elections


RD: Lee Wan-koo[edit]

Article: Lee Wan-koo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yonhap News
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Briefly PM of South Korea. PFHLai (talk) 19:26, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • Support The article is in good shape and well-referenced. Hanamanteo (talk) 10:09, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

(Posted) RD: Diane Weyermann[edit]

Article: Diane Weyermann (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Los Angeles Times; Variety; Sundance Institute
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 06:39, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • Support The article is in good shape and well-referenced. Hanamanteo (talk) 14:11, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Posted --PFHLai (talk) 19:33, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

(Posted) 2021 Kaohsiung tower fire[edit]

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Article: 2021 Kaohsiung tower fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​In southern Taiwan, a tower fire in Kaohsiung leaves 46 dead and 41 injured. (Post)
News source(s): Taiwan News, Focus Taiwan, DW, Al Jazeera, New York Times. AP, BBC, Reuters
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: deadliest building fire in taiwan since 1995. work in progress. dying (talk) 14:41, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • Support – in principle. The basics are there. Something on what materials fueled the fire would be appropriate, and of course its cause. – Sca (talk) 15:04, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support beyond your basic disaster stub. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 15:09, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support article is better than a stub, and 46+ people dying is ITN-worthy. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:11, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    At 450 words it's on the thin side yet for MP use, though. – Sca (talk) 15:22, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    3185 characters is longer than many similar articles are when they get posted. It's good enough, and can be expanded once more information is available. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:14, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support Definitely a notable event. Start class article on the lower end should still be able to appear on the main page. --CactusTaron (Nopen't) 15:35, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support in principle. The article seems to be minimally sufficient and should be expanded.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:41, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Weak support. Unusual event, high death toll which seems likely to rise further, similar to Grenfell Tower fire which was posted. The article is not hugely informative but long enough and adequately referenced. Weak !vote as I'm getting a bit tired of disasters with mediocre articles, but this is postable and keeps the blurbs ticking over. Modest Genius talk 16:12, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    • I think we have to recognize that such disasters in non-Western countries have language-barrier issues that make it hard for typical en.wiki editors to find sources to expand (not that foreign language sources aren't usable, just that knowing how to use those requires language familiarity). In addition to the difference of attention due to systematic bias that the media would give to a fire in downtown London versus somewhere in Taiwan. Just a point of consideration of expectations on length we should keep in mind. --Masem (t) 16:20, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
      • Oh I wasn't expecting it to have as good an article as Grenfell did (that one developed amazingly over the first 24 hours). The current length is adequate. But I take your point. Modest Genius talk 16:55, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support Article is sufficient length and quality, well referenced, and the topic is being covered by major news outlets. Checks all of the requirements. --Jayron32 16:31, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support This is actual news, unlike the space flight of 10 minutes. Heythereimaguy (talk) 16:34, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support Looks good to go. Hanamanteo (talk) 17:02, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Posting. --Tone 17:23, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Please remove tower from the blurb - the damaged building isn't a tower, which is why the article's title is under discussion. Jim Michael (talk) 11:52, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    More likely to get a response at WP:ERRORS.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:47, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]

October 13[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

Law and crime

Science and technology

Sports


RD: Timuel Black[edit]

Article: Timuel Black (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 16:40, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

RD: Gary Paulsen[edit]

Article: Gary Paulsen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Thanks to Οἶδα, this is ready to go. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 18:12, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • Support Sad to see the author of Hatchet go. Heythereimaguy (talk) 18:57, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support - Looks good to go.BabbaQ (talk) 19:10, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Wait Several unsourced and personal chunks. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:16, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Weak oppose – three paragraphs still unsourced. Removing ready. —Bloom6132 (talk) 19:53, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Not only does this wikibio needs a few more refs, Gary Paulsen bibliography, created shortly before this ITN nomination, needs more refs, too. --PFHLai (talk) 14:31, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

(Posted) RD: Ray Fosse[edit]

Article: Ray Fosse (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC Sports
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 01:13, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • Support Good depth of coverage, fully referenced. Marking ready. SpencerT•C 06:57, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • PostedBagumba (talk) 08:53, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]

(Posted) Kongsberg attack[edit]

Posted, and discussions can continue at the article talk. Stephen 23:03, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

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Article: Kongsberg attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​Five people are killed, and two others injured inside a supermarket by a man using a bow and arrows in Kongsberg, Viken, Norway. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​Five people are killed and two others injured in a bow-and-arrow attack inside a supermarket in Kongsberg, Norway.
News source(s): BBC, CNN, Sky News, AP, The Guardian, Independent, New York Times, Reuters
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: The article is still a stub. Also, I don't know if the number of deaths are enough to warranty its publication on the MP, but yet I think it's worth to nominate it. Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 23:55, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Weak Support Although the article is a stub, I still feel that the topic is notable enough. I hope it can be improved on further, though.TootsieRollsAddict (talk) 00:24, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Wait but leaning oppose. While they are presently considering a potential terror angle, this reads like the hallmarks of domestic violence and with the small numbers involved, the type of crime we shouldn't cover at ITN. But if there was a serious terrorist angle here, that would be potential angle for posting, just that this seems really far from that. --Masem (t) 00:43, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    Domestic violence? The attacker is said to have launched the assault inside a supermarket and then moved over a large area.Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:10, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    Not the best phrase I used, but right now, it is a localized crime that may involve ties to terrorism (due to the suspect's recent Islam conversion), types of crime that happen everywhere across the globe that don't get reported because they don't have international impact. It is the weapon of choice that caught media's eye here as to why it got widespread attention. --Masem (t) 13:36, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Weak support if expanded beyond stub Low death count for a mass casualty event, but the bizarre weapon choice makes this far more notable than a typical shooting. Mlb96 (talk) 00:47, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • This won't stop until we have meaningful wood stick and string control. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 00:50, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose -- a bizarre weapon choice, but I don't think there's any inherent notability beyond that. -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 01:50, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Wait - article is a stub currently, too early for posting and needs further development. - Indefensible (talk) 05:57, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose on quality article is a microstub. If that's all that can be said about it, then it's not important enough for ITN. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:17, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose as of now, article is not long enough to qualify for the main page. Once it is expanded to sufficient length, I would support its posting. --Jayron32 11:42, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • What's the minimum size for Start class? How much more would be needed? WP:STUB says: "AutoWikiBrowser is frequently set to automatically remove stub tags from any article with more than 500 words" Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:52, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • I was ec'd there to mention that anything that surpasses stub is at least a Start class. Note that is based on readable prose, so no infobox/references/template, etc. --Masem (t) 13:29, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • And currently I'm getting 1583 characters which is also just above the general requirements for stub as well as DYK, so this should be okay for size. --Masem (t) 13:30, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Thanks. I now count 1829. But can we post stubs or not? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:03, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
User:Schwede66 has now moved all project tags to Start class. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:32, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment This seems like the perfect thing for DYK (if it ever meets the requirements). Heythereimaguy (talk) 12:02, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose – Heavily covered due to the peculiar nature of the attack, but a lone perp. and a comparatively small death toll don't equate to general significance, regardless of the assailant's presumed motives. Don't see the EV. – Sca (talk) 12:16, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose per Sca. Tabloid interest item, no long-term encyclopedic value. GreatCaesarsGhost 12:38, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Ephemeral spot news. – Sca (talk) 13:30, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose. There are car crashes that kill 5 people every day. List of mass shootings in the United States has a murder with that many victims every couple of months, and that's just one country with one weapon. The unusual choice of a bow here is attracting headlines, but isn't a significant enough detail to justify ITN. PS. could be nominated for DYK instead. Modest Genius talk 13:39, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    Meanwhile, arguably significant news seems below the radar. – Sca (talk) 13:56, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]

(edit conflict)

  • Support if ties to a known terrorist group is confirmed. That's the criteria I generally use for developed countries. For conflict zones, where these events are unfortunately common,it gets more complicated Scaramouche33 (talk) 13:51, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose per Sca, GCG etc. Small-scale attack and no lasting significance likely.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:16, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support on notability we had some people suggest they'd support if it was a terrorist attack; it now appears to be so. It was the number one global headline when it happened and it's still the number one global headline a day later. The purpose of ITN is to help readers find and quickly access content they are likely to be searching for because an item is in the news, and this event fits that criteria. I would prefer if the article was a bit longer first but everything already in there is well-cited. NorthernFalcon (talk) 14:50, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    One addled terrorist acting alone is not a movement, and this one's no Brevik. – Sca (talk) 15:11, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    PS: Article at 335 words is barely over a stub. – Sca (talk) 15:16, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment requested it for DYK https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Kongsberg_attack Heythereimaguy (talk) 16:29, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment - Does the unusual method make it more notable than if the attacker had killed same number of people using a gun, knife or bomb? Jim Michael (talk) 18:00, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Perhaps so, a bow is an interesting weapon of choice. Heythereimaguy (talk) 18:04, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Crossbows are more usual e.g. [4]. I see that some sources are erroneously saying this incident involved a crossbow. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:25, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
See Talk:Kongsberg attack. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:40, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Swedish sources also add that he had other weapons as well, a knife is mentioned. cart-Talk 18:46, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
So: "Knife-wielding, unnamed Danish-Norwegian man slays five people and injures three others in a bow-and-arrow rampage" – ??
Sca (talk) 19:12, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
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Now that...that is a funny hook for DYK. Heythereimaguy (talk) 21:16, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support - Per confirmed terrorist act. Per expansion from stub to start class. Terrorism is very unusual in Norway posting this definitely makes sense.BabbaQ (talk) 19:20, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support As per BabbaQ. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:33, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose The bow-and-arrow is propelling the story into the limelight, and I'm very surprised that even CNN has this as a top story like any muck-raking tabloid. Aside from the unusual weapon, it's a minor terrorist attack by today's standards (can't believe I'm writing that phrase), and terrorists have always proved crafty when it comes to weapons for attacks. cart-Talk 19:34, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Norway has had no terrorist attack for ten years. And there are 5 deaths which is notable for the Scandinavia region. BabbaQ (talk) 20:36, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Of course it's notable in Scandinavia and should be a main page event on all Nordic Wikipedias, but I don't think it's big enough for this ITN. cart-Talk 20:49, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Agree. It's not in French, German or Dutch Wikis' versions of ITN, either. – Sca (talk) 22:01, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support – Norway is an unlikely place for Islamic terrorism in Europe. It's a major pro-Islamic terrorist incident in the country, and the impact is the police officers now carry firearms on duty (normally they don't). STSC (talk) 20:08, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    • It has not be definitively ruled as Islamic terrorism yet. There is a possible link and police are keeping that in mind, but we absolutely cannot label it terrorism yet. --Masem (t) 21:20, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
The case is now being treated as an act of terrorism. STSC (talk) 22:15, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Best I'm finding in the few updated sources is that they are still treating the incident as an act of terror due to the Islam conversion [5], but that given the suspect was already a known person of interest and is now under mental evaluation (as per Sca below) gives me pause to think they're treating this guy as a wacko that went off the cuff and they had plenty of warnings they didn't heed. This is unlike incidents like the Manchester Arena bombing or 2017 London Bridge attack of quietly planned and far deadlier results that absolutely were terrorist attacks. I'm not saying that this being a terrorist attack has been ruled out, but it seems very much unlikely given all that's there this was tied to an actual terrorist cell (like this other ones) and more like just a guy broke down mentally and went crazy. I will add that the fact that looking for sources, there's almost no new English-based news fresher than 18-24hr ago outside a couple BBC articles tells me that unless some major revelation about a terrorist connection is made here, most of the world press appears to be treating this as a random attack and not a world-shaking terrorist one. --Masem (t) 13:16, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Changing mine to "Slight support" because it isn't super notable outside of the Nordic countries, but still notable due to the weapon used. Heythereimaguy (talk) 21:22, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support; a terrorist attack that killed five people in Britain, New Zealand, Canada etc will almost always be "ITN" (See Lindt Cafe siege and 2017 London Bridge attack) for comparable events) - the fact that this happened outside the Anglosphere shouldn't change that. Further, given the rarity of such events in Norway, I suspect that this one will be long-term significance in Norway. I would note though that the proposed text will have to be changed to reflect the fact that it is now considered a terror attack. BilledMammal (talk) 22:42, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Yes, the 2017 London Bridge attack killed 11, including the 3 perpetrators. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:49, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
We would likely have posted the Plymouth shooting had it been proved to have been motivated by an ideology. Jim Michael (talk) 12:51, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment. This has been nominated to appear at DYK. It can't run as the bolded item in an ITN blurb and as the subject of a DYK nomination so if this is posted the DYK nomination should be withdrawn, or if it's approved at DYK this should be closed, but having both open at once is not ideal. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ 22:44, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • That's only half true: if it's posted at ITN, it isn't DYK eligible anymore. The converse is not true- even if it appears on DYK (which it wouldn't do for a while anyway, as there's at least 10 days of hooks already queued up), it would still e eligible for ITN. Articles have run on DYK and ITN simultaneously before (2020 and 2021 London Marathons were added to ITN whilst also on DYK), and there is no actually rule against it that way round. Joseph2302 (talk) 23:05, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • At the current rate of promotion it would be too stale to post at ITN after DYK, but if it's approved and added to the long, slow queue, it would be a shame to have to pull it in a few days if it finally gets posted here; there's no likelihood of it appearing at DYK before ITN but a decision should probably be made sooner rather than later. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ 23:08, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Agree it's probably a moot point for this nomination, but it's still worth correcting them, as if people read this thread in the archives, don't want people thinking that's actually a rule, when it's not. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:38, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support per above. A terrorist attack in a Scandinavian country carried out with a bizarre weapon is clearly significant, and I don't think this can be omitted just because there's an ongoing DYK nomination (while the converse is true, it's not in the case with ITN).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 06:48, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment – It's the next day and world media has already lost interest in this. cart-Talk 08:33, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    Meanwhile, the Nobel Prize in Economics is still on everyone's front page? Well, at some internet backwaters perhaps. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:53, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
True, but then again, I think the Nobel Prize receives a disproportionate amount of attention these days. When it was instituted, it was as a way to help important research get published and shared. We hardly have the same issues these days. cart-Talk 09:05, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment – Perp., still unnamed, sent for psychiatric evaluation. [6] [7] [8] [9]Sca (talk) 12:24, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment This is getting stale, and a consensus will not form any time soon. Time to close? Heythereimaguy (talk) 12:30, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    Agreed. I don't see any consensus, albeit that I'm involved as I !voted. Suggest it be closed.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:03, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    Furthermore, it is well down the media's coverage today, suggesting they don't see it as having any sort of lasting impact. The suspect is being treated for mental health problems, apparently so it seems unlikely it's part of some huge radical terror plot. And we're not a news ticker as you well know. Today's story is the knife attack on David Amess it would seem.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:06, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support This is a significant attack and the article has been expanded sufficiently.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:45, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment – I can't see this ever getting blurbed unless/until the perp. is ID'd. Also, hohum aftermath section lacks his being slated for psychiatric evaluation. (Thus, not ready for 'attention' yet.) – Sca (talk) 14:10, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support As of now, the article is in decent shape, considering this is still developing. Obviously more info will emerge later, but what's there is sufficient. Brandmeistertalk 14:25, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • 'Support, as it's a significant attack and the article is decent.Jackattack1597 (talk) 14:28, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support article is more than good enough. And this is a more than significant event, that is still in the news e.g. BBC (new article 5 hours ago about it). Joseph2302 (talk) 15:59, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support It's a terrorist attack with multiple fatalities in a part of the world where such is exceeding rare. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:45, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support Per above. Clearly notable. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 17:18, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment The killing of David Amess was posted before this. Attention has moved on from this incident. Heythereimaguy (talk) 18:51, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Over 7 Support !votes have been added within less than 24 hours. So what is your point really. No one ”has moved on”. BabbaQ (talk) 20:37, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Let me clarify: it seems as if the rate of new votes has slowed down. Note the last vote being over 4 hours ago, as compared to earlier on, when there was around 30 minutes between votes. I apologize for my earlier statement. Heythereimaguy (talk) 21:33, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment; while I am not a neutral party in this matter, I believe we can now close this with a consensus towards inclusion. While noting that this is not a !vote, a significant majority support inclusion, while the majority of the opposes were earlier in the articles lifespan before the article was expanded and the terror-related nature of incident became known. BilledMammal (talk) 00:47, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Posted --PFHLai (talk) 04:41, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Post-posting comment – The Scandinavian spelling of the perp's last name, Bråthen, used in our article, may be problematic for some readers as å is not a letter in English. Some Eng.-lang. sources are transliterating it as Braathen, which to me seems advisable in terms of pronunciation, while others ignore the issue by using Brathen. – Sca (talk) 11:46, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • A lot of articles in this WP has names etc. written in with the original letters. But in case it's altered it might be best to just drop the ring over the "å" (like Skanska did with Skånska) since Braathen is a different surname in Norwegian, example: Ludvig G. Braathen. cart-Talk 12:52, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Btw, the Kongsberg police just held a press conference, and they are now leaning towards this just being a disturbed person and not terrorist activity. cart-Talk 13:02, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Could you possibly provide a source at the article Talk page at all? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:10, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Martinevans123, I was listening to the police press conference on the radio, but I'll see if I can dig up a written source. (No luck so far, only video and audio files, too fresh.) cart-Talk 13:13, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
That Braathen is a different name than Bråthen in Norwegian is arguably immaterial to English Wiki, as presumably few Norwegians (and Danes) would be reading our article in preference to those in their own Norwegian and Danish Wikipedias, or in local/national news media. – Sca (talk) 13:38, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
PS: An auto-translation of this article in the Norwegian Aftenposten today quotes Police Inspector Per Thomas Omholt as saying: "The hypothesis that has been strengthened so far is that he has done this all by himself." Ergo, not organized terrorism. – Sca (talk) 13:56, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
When the "å" is clearly working in so many other en-WP articles some examples) why should we change it in this? Isn't this a discussion more suited for the article talk page since the perp's name is not mentioned in the ITN blurb. cart-Talk 13:58, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
I don't see these articles as relevant to the present discussion. Where, for example, is the å in Ulrich Marten? – Sca (talk) 14:05, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
You have to scroll down a bit in the list to get to the articles where "å" is used in names of people. They are on the same page as the "a"s on this WP. The spelling of foreign names in articles is relevant to this. cart-Talk 14:09, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
The topic here is the readability of this article, not whether å appears in any others among English Wikipedia's 6 million articles. Let's leave it at that. – Sca (talk) 14:33, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

After reviewing the Aftenpost report, I think the Omholt 'quote' is more likely the newspaper's paraphrase of what he said, to wit: The hypothesis that has been strengthened so far is that he has done this all by himself, Omholt said.Sca (talk) 14:23, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

If you want the exact wording, this is a transcript (by me, pardon the spelling) from the police press conference: Omholt: Etterforskningen så langt styrker hypotesen om att han kanske inte gjort detta väldigt seriöst. Så altså hypotesen om att han har konverterat till Islam är svekked. I'm sure this will be in print in a reliable source and quoted correctly if we just wait a while. cart-Talk 14:40, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Hmmm. Bing translates that as: "The investigation so far reinforces the hypothesis that he may have done so. So the hypothesis that he has converted to Islam is weakened." Confusing. (I don't speak Norwegian.) – Sca (talk) 16:42, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
DW (Deutsche Welle) translates a quote from Omholt this way: "The thinking is that he did not take (the conversion) very seriously. By this we mean that he did not follow or practice the traditions that are common in this [Islam] culture and religion." – Sca (talk) 21:59, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
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(Posted) RD: Myriam Sarachik[edit]

Article: Myriam Sarachik (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American Physicist. Death announced in WP:RS today. Obituaries have started appearing and there is good material to build this into a neat article. If someone wants to get to this before me, please feel free to do so. Ktin (talk) 23:28, 13 October 2021 (UTC) Ktin (talk) 23:28, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • Comment. Edits done. Very nice work as always by AP. They are still making a few edits, but, the article is good to go. RIP. Ktin (talk) 03:28, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support - Fully sourced and ready to go.--Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 03:34, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support Looks like all that needs to be there is there JW 1961 Talk 07:49, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • PostedBagumba (talk) 08:55, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]

(Closed) William Shatner in space[edit]

The discussion is longer than the article, several times over. And there looks that no consensus to post will form. Closing. (Shatner going to warp would be definitely blurb-wothy, though). --Tone 19:33, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

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Article: William Shatner (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​At the age of 90, William Shatner becomes the oldest man to fly to space. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​The Blue Origin NS-18 spaceflight is launched, carrying William Shatner, the oldest person to reach space.
News source(s): CNN NBC News BBC Independent CBC
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Captain Kirk is going boldly 86.187.160.91 (talk) 14:18, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose not important enough to justify a substantial update to any article. I expect the humor crew to come by soon with more amusing opposes. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 14:21, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Strong oppose We have no posted the other "space tourists" this isn't the time to start. --Masem (t) 14:29, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support This is very much in the news and the opposes above are just personal opinions contrary to WP:NPOV. The only issue is that it hasn't happened yet but it's T-11 so not long to go. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:39, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    • @Andrew Davidson: Is the fact that there is just one paragraph in the Shatner article which just says "he went to space today" my "personal opinion contrary to NPOV"? User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 14:55, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
      • The supposed fact is bogus because the dust has barely settled on the event and so it's too soon to rush to judgement. There's obviously more than one article to be considered. Blue Origin is a big part of this and I also liked the way that Jeff Bezos acted as the doorman. We can wait on the full details, reception, news coverage and resulting updates. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:09, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support - Historic event. For ITN in my opinion.BabbaQ (talk) 14:40, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose. I'm not convinced even tabloid/clickbait coverage would be particularly interested in age alone if this weren't Captain Kirk, and as Masem points out, we've not been posting space tourism before—without any notable firsts, I'm not sold on "oldest" as the metric that gets us to start. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ 14:46, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose just like we opposed all the other space tourism nominations. The content about it is about 3 sentences in his article, and that's all that can be said about it. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:50, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose this is perfect WP:TOP25 material, i.e. the sort of thing that we'd see just for clickbait. But it's much better suited for DYK than ITN, it's a factoid, of literally zero encyclopedic value. We could post the youngest person in space. The richest person it space. The hairiest person in space. It's all rather embarrassing. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 14:56, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    The hairiest person in space: Sorry to disappoint but I'm afraid of flying. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ 14:59, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    @Grapple X: You're begging for somebody to make a Shatner's toupee joke. pbp 15:08, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support: There's clearly enough sourcing here for it to meet the criteria. pbp 14:58, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    Sourcing isn't an issue, goodness me. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 15:03, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support I assume it's the same Shatner who's legendary musical career included the best cover of a Beatles song ever. Has he done anything else before or since? Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 15:06, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    He did a great song with Lemon Jelly actually. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 15:15, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support not because it is Shatner, but because it is the oldest person in space. 331dot (talk) 15:08, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
If there is an article about the flight, that should be linked to(don't know the name of the flight). 331dot (talk) 15:11, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Blue Origin NS-18 is the flight. JRHorse (talk) 15:17, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
When Wally Funk flew into space on the first Blue Origin space flight and became the then-oldest person in space, we didn't post that. This is even less notable because it's not a "first".  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 16:19, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose No space tourists please, we haven't posted any yet (basically because they're effectively all trivia more suited to DYK) and we really don't want to see "b-b-b-but Shatner was posted, so...". Black Kite (talk) 15:18, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    Oh, this is so tragic. Bezos handing out "astronaut badges". Seriously. "absolutely amazing" apparently. This is not ITN. Shatner's voice, that's the only redeeming feature here. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 15:26, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose. If anything, suggest a reference to the Blue Origin NS-18 mission itself (which may or may not be suitable for ITN) instead of the subject in question. JRHorse (talk) 15:21, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Wrote an altblurb deemphasizing Shatner. 331dot (talk) 15:29, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Still just highly paid space tourists doing something that is now just every day stuff. Shatner on board? Factoid. See WP:DYK. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 15:34, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Shatner has appeared in many non-Star Trek productions over a long career. 331dot (talk) 15:38, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment. I will also point out that the first stated purpose of ITN is "To help readers find and quickly access content they are likely to be searching for because an item is in the news." I don't see where it says we don't post things because we don't like Jeff Bezos or rich people, or that this isn't important. 90 year olds going to space is not common and won't be as most are not physically fit enough to do so(even as tourists). 331dot (talk) 15:38, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    • There are lots of pages that routine hit the top 25 most-viewed for a day, that include topics in the news, but aren't the type of topics that meet the type of encyclopedic coverage that ITN tries to balance to avoid media's systematic bias. For example, I'll bring up Squid Game again, as big news of it being Netflix's most-watched show yesterday and still one of our most viewed pages. But is that an ITN type blurb? Heck no. It means little in the overall nature of the world. We rarely post superlative events on their own, only if they are tied to other critical events, such as the recent tennis one, an ITNR but in addition where the first qualifier won the grand slam. If this was a first such flight for Blue Origin (hint, its not) as an ITNR, and so happened that Shatner being the oldest passenger to low-orbit was part of that, that might have been appropriate, but by itself, its more trivial in nature, and while it may be TOP25 right now, its not reflecting on what ITN generally covers. --Masem (t) 16:01, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
      • I will furthermore note that many TV networks interrupted their regular programming to broadcast about this event with a special report. 331dot (talk) 16:05, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Interesting that we are now at the point in society where 90 year olds in space is "ho-hum". 331dot (talk) 16:06, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Was 82-year-old woman and long-time actual contributor to this technology Wally Funk posted? The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:19, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
That a mistake was made before should not preclude correcting it in the future. I don't have a DeLorean handy to go back to July and change people's minds. 331dot (talk) 16:38, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Me neither. Yet it's clear that we don't need to suddenly start posting age-related space tourist records at ITN. I imagine DYK would be the perfect venue for such trivia. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:41, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Wait, pretty obviously. If this flight crashes, I suspect there might be a few changed !votes. Might change to Support if it comes back full of Tribbles. Wow, he looks good for 90. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:43, 13 October 2021 (UTC) look..... no jokes about Shatner his pants.[]
  • Reluctant oppose. Probably not carbon neutral. I honestly thought Jeff was gonna kiss him. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:05, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
The flight is already back down. 331dot (talk) 15:43, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Ah, might change my !vote, then. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:46, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Yes, it was very much an "up-and-down" flight, nothing to write home about in any sense, technically, encyclopedically or otherwise. Just a "famous" old person surviving a two-hour ride which cost millions and millions of dollars to achieve literally nothing. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 15:55, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
What a let down. So not the final frontier after all. If only we could get Tyson Fury up there. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:09, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
It was ten minutes at altitude in total. And no, Tyson Fury in space as a tourist would be equally, even less, interesting. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:16, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Who said anything about tourism. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:24, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Quite a few people. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:27, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • On the balance, I'm going to go with Oppose. Understand the additional interest given who it is but a 10 minutes straight up and down is a bit meh. -- KTC (talk) 16:25, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose. We have well-established criteria for the notability of space flights and this does not meet them. --LukeSurl t c 16:31, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
LukeSurl We have criteria for automatic notability of a space flight, at WP:ITNR, which does not preclude other flights from being nominated if conditions warrant, such as a 90 year old going to space. 331dot (talk) 16:34, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Strong Support and a brave admin should put it up per WP:IAR if the opposers succeed and bring him down to Earth. The flight was so psychologically important to human spaceflight in the 2020s, and equally or moreso for the highlight - Shatner's conversation with Bezos, words which should be quoted and honored with a monument somewhere. Randy Kryn (talk) 16:33, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    In what sense was the "flight so psychologically important to human spaceflight in the 2020s"?? Space tourists are now just meh. What makes Shatner more important than an individual who recovered from bone cancer and who actually spent three days in actual space? The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:37, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    Randy Kryn Thanks for your comments. All I know is that with every nomination like this that is not posted I am further pushed towards the ITN-is-broken camp. I'm not there yet, but it's getting closer. 331dot (talk) 16:40, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    Indeed. So make a proposal. We've had a recent slew of people suggesting that ITN should mimic WP:TOP25, that it's all about pageviews. I have literally no objection if that becomes the new mission of ITN. But in the meantime, endless moaning about the current ITN methodology and endless, pointless nominations isn't the way to solve a "purported" issue. Wikinews and other projects are available for those who wish to just continually publish clickbait. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:44, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose ITN isn't for media hype like this. Heythereimaguy (talk) 18:29, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose – Per Joseph, TRM. Lifestyles of the rich & famous. Sure, we liked Star'Trek a lot back in the day, but this $tunt is completely without general significance. – Sca (talk) 18:30, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Shucks. So not even a real tourist, as he didn't get overcharged. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:17, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
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(Posted) RD: Agnes Jebet Tirop ​[edit]

Article: Agnes Jebet Tirop (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [11], [12]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Death unexplained, world record holder. Could do with some more info on 2017-2020 achievements Joseph2302 (talk) 13:54, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • Support - Ready for RD as far as I can see.--BabbaQ (talk) 14:41, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment The results in the International Competitions section are all verifiable from her World Athletics profile which is given as an external link, except for the 2012 African Cross Country Championships which doesn't seem to be listed there.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:13, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    The 2012 African Cross Country Championships was sourced in text, so added same source to the table. And put the World Athletics profile as a source below the table (as this seems easier than repeating it for every line of the table). Joseph2302 (talk) 15:19, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    It was also mentioned in her World Athletics obituary which I must have added the same time as you.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:23, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support Looks fully sourced now.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:23, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support – Adequate. – Sca (talk) 18:32, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Posted  — Amakuru (talk) 19:27, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment Pretty grim news. I assume she's the first competitor from Tokyo 2020 to die? Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 07:09, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]

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(Posted) RD: David Kennedy (advertising)[edit]

Article: David Kennedy (advertising) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): OregonLive
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American advertising executive. Just do it. American advertising executive. Death announced in WP:RS on this day. Article needs some work. I will work on it. If someone wants to lend a hand, jump right-in. Edits and article expansion done. Article has shaped into a nice C-class biography. Meets expectation for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 20:39, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • Long enough and has enough footnotes across the prose, this wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 00:18, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Posted Stephen 00:31, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]

(Posted) RD: Brian Goldner[edit]

Article: Brian Goldner (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters; NBC News; Variety
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 08:36, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • Comment he's just died, we shouldn't be using a non-free portrait yet. I doubt anyone has actually checked properly whether a freely available image exists. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:04, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support Looks to be good for RD, well sourced JW 1961 Talk 10:50, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support - article seems to meet requirements. - Indefensible (talk) 05:55, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Posted --PFHLai (talk) 06:33, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]

(Closed) Comet Bernardinelli-Bernstein[edit]

The news stories are older than the oldest blurb, and this is not ITN/R. Stephen 01:20, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

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Article: C/2014 UN271 (Bernardinelli-Bernstein) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​A giant comet is discovered (picture) heading for the inner solar system. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Independent, National Geographic, NYT
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Great comets are ITN/R. This is unusual in that, while it is comparatively huge, it has been spotted a long way out and so it will be 10 years before its closest approach. This is not the usual brief 15 minutes of fame but, as we're an encyclopedia with a long view, we should report this at some point. Do we want to wait until 2031? Andrew🐉(talk) 21:18, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[]
This NOIRLAb illustration is free and so would be a good picture too.
  • The article says "It will not be visible to the naked eye because it will not enter the inner Solar System", so it will not be a "Great comet", just a large comet by size and not by tail. Probably not a story for ITN, except if one wants to highlight that it is large. But too many ifs at the moment. --Tone 21:38, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose Not actually a great comet, as Tone pointed out. Also, wasn't this announced several months ago? Ionmars10 (talk) 23:35, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose Also a very stale story. We knew earlier this year (not this week) about what the nature of this comet's orbit would be. --Masem (t) 00:41, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
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RD: Tony DeMarco[edit]

Article: Tony DeMarco (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [13]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Boxing world welterweight champion and international boxing hall of fame member Antonio el vagabundo Martin (aqui) 16:08, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • Support as nom-obviously, otherwise I would not have nominated him! Antonio DC Superhero Martin (decime) 17:49, 12 October, 2021 (UTC)
  • Support - good to go.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:47, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose: Career - unsourced. Legacy - half unsourced. Record - unsourced. How can anyone consider this is "good to go"? Unknown Temptation (talk) 23:04, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose Wayyyy undersourced. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:06, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose - Sorry people, but it's far from ready to go. Several paragraphs are unsourced. Due to the extensive lack of sources, this could be easily orange tagged.--Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 00:11, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]

(Posted) RD: Marie Wilcox[edit]

Article: Marie Wilcox (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Last fluent speaker of Wukchumni, according to most sources. Died some days ago, making the news only this week. Vanamonde (Talk) 14:54, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • Support, as nom: Yngvadottir has brought it up to the mark. Vanamonde (Talk) 14:54, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support quality meets minimum requirements for RD. If the language had gone extinct, I'd consider it blurbable, but fortunately the article suggests that this lady managed to teach it to a few others before she passed away. NorthernFalcon (talk) 19:47, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support - RD ready.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:49, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Posted Stephen 01:55, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]

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RD: Enamul Haque (actor)[edit]

Article: Enamul Haque (actor) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.thedailystar.net/news/news/dr-enamul-haque-no-more-2195856
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Actor, playwright and chemistry professor in Dhaka. --PFHLai (talk) 21:51, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

(New) RD: Emiliano Aguirre[edit]

Article: Emiliano Aguirre (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): EL Mundo
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Notable Spanish paleontologist, considered by the press as the "father of Atapuerca". _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 21:13, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • Long enough and has enough refs for the prose. However, the Works section could use some more sourcing, and the final item appears to require fixing (why is the "subst:" appearing there twice?). --PFHLai (talk) 23:55, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

(Posted) RD: Paddy Maloney[edit]

Article: Paddy Moloney (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times, The Times, RTE
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Prominent Irish musician and founder of The Chieftains {{u|Sdkb}}talk 23:43, 14 October 2021 (UTC)Updated 09:23, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • Oppose orange tagged for more sources. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:37, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support seems fine now. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:19, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support – article is well-referenced and meets minimum depth of coverage for ITN. —Bloom6132 (talk) 11:40, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support – as per Bloom6132. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:51, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support - sourced and ready.BabbaQ (talk) 19:32, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support The article is in good shape and well-referenced. Hanamanteo (talk) 20:10, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Posted --PFHLai (talk) 06:09, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

RD: David H. DePatie[edit]

Article: David H. DePatie (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Seattle Times, Deadline Hollywood
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Co-creator of the Pink Panther. Died on Sept 23, but was only first reported on this date by the Seattle Times (local paper). Some sourcing issues. Masem (t) 16:15, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]

(Posted) RD: Deon Estus[edit]

Article: Deon Estus (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Detroit Free Press; Billboard; CNN
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 11:36, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • Support well sourced and enough text for RD. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:38, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support - sourced and ready.BabbaQ (talk) 19:31, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Posted --PFHLai (talk) 05:00, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

(Posted) 2021 Boston Marathon[edit]

Article: 2021 Boston Marathon (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​At the Boston Marathon, Diana Kipyogei and Benson Kipruto win the women's and men's foot races, respectively. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Diana Kipyogei and Benson Kipruto win the 2021 Boston Marathon women's and men's races
News source(s): Boston Globe, NY Times
Credits:

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 00:32, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • I know this came up in the last marathon item so I would ask, is it possible (given how the event is usually covered) to put the women's winner before the men's? Would we be skewing anything inappropriately? --Masem (t) 00:37, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    For me, it's ok. Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 00:45, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    Didn't we list the last marathon winners in Tokyo alphabetically? Stephen 04:36, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    The faster one should get whichever position feels like the better reward, per the point of competitive racing. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:44, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    The women's and men's events are different races. They are run simultaneously, but are not ranked against each other. --Jayron32 12:38, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    Alphabetical seems fine to me, and is what we've done (either deliberately, or coincidentally) in most marathon noms that I've seen. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:32, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    I get that they ran separately in Boston, but here, they're both contenders for first place billing. One is objectively the more impressive athlete, by whole minutes. Alphabetical order is fair enough, too, just not based on any actual relevant accomplishment. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:15, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment: Needs prose summary of race. SpencerT•C 05:12, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose needs a race summary, see 2021 London Marathon for an example. Joseph2302 (talk) 05:43, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose for now. No prose summary of race. Consider this a full support if anyone fixes that. --Jayron32 12:39, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment also, they were called the elite races, not the foot races. Calling them foot races makes no sense, as it's made up terminology. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:06, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Updated I have added a race summary for each event, and also added an alt blurb, which matches the wording of the 2021 London Marathon ITN from a few weeks ago (and avoids the use of "foot race"). Joseph2302 (talk) 17:30, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support Looks ready now.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:50, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support. Looks good. Marking ready. Ktin (talk) 18:15, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Posting. --Tone 18:24, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Already 2 complaints on WP:ERRORS (one of which is my ignored complaint above about "foot races"). Joseph2302 (talk) 18:33, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[]

(Posted) RD: Stewart Murray Wilson[edit]

Article: Stewart Murray Wilson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NZ Herald
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: New Zealander criminal. Do criminals also qualify for RD? - Indefensible (talk) 21:34, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • Support - Yes, they do. And, in this particular case, I think the article is good enough for a RD. It's fully sourced, so I think it meets RD criteria.--Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 01:51, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support Looks good for RD JW 1961 Talk 08:05, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Posted Stephen 09:11, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[]

RD: Nedumudi Venu[edit]

Article: Nedumudi Venu (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian actor. Unfortunately, has an entire section on filmography that might be a challenge to source. Go well sir. Thanks for all the performances. Condolences to the family and friends. RIP. Ktin (talk) 19:43, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • Oppose - article in general does not meet the quality standard. - Indefensible (talk) 20:53, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    Unfortunately, yes. I agree with you. Will require some hard work. Ktin (talk) 20:55, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Still too many footnote-free paragraphs. More refs, please. --PFHLai (talk) 19:08, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

(Posted) Nobel Economics Prize[edit]

Articles: David Card (talk · history · tag) and Joshua Angrist (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​The Nobel Prize in Economics is awarded to David Card's work on labor economics, and jointly to Joshua Angrist and Guido Imbens for their work on causal relationships. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​The Nobel Prize in Economics is awarded to David Card for his work in labour economics, and jointly to Joshua Angrist and Guido Imbens for their work in causal relationships.
Alternative blurb II: David Card, Joshua Angrist, and Guido Imbens are jointly awarded the Nobel Prize in Economics.
News source(s): CNBC
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Last Nobel. Three target articles. Card's needs a few more sources. I'm getting "pulled from CV"-vibes from Angrists. Imbens is short and could be expanded. Masem (t) 13:14, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • Comment: Conversely, I think Angrist's has much more depth of coverage than a CV and is a model article for a Nobel winner because it has very solid depth of coverage on the subject's work. Doesn't appear to have COI; the main contributor Arbraxan has edited other economists' articles. SpencerT•C 18:23, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    • Its depth is good - but something just seems off to me, but if others find no issue, then hey, it seems ready to go. Just caught my eye in how its written rather in a means I've seen common in CVs or self-written bios, but I could be completely wrong. --Masem (t) 19:47, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
      • Have referenced Card's bio and added additional information. Imbens' article still needs some more work. SpencerT•C 20:17, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support. Nice work by Spencer in referencing David Card's article. Imbens' article seems referenced and passes minimal hygiene expectations imo for the homepage. Ideally, I would have loved to spend some time in expanding Card and Imbens' articles. Unfortunately, off-wiki commitments means that I would not be able to do so in a timely manner. But, this news article is good to go to the homepage in its current state. Ktin (talk) 20:50, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment - the labour economics article has an orange banner currently. The difference in article content between co-winners Joshua Angrist and Guido Imbens is interesting to note as well. - Indefensible (talk) 21:39, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    • Found an orange banner on the article for causality too. Probably not going to meet the quality standard for the front page. - Indefensible (talk) 21:50, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    • Non-target articles linked are not required to have the same quality as bolded, targetted articles. --Masem (t) 21:56, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
      • That seems like a pretty sketchy policy and doesn't mean that bad articles should be let through on a lower standard. - Indefensible (talk) 22:00, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
        • It's pretty much standard policy for the sections of the main page: any bolded internal link is expected to point to an article that demonstrates the quality that WP can be, but all other non-bolded links to support that entry (such as those in TFA or DYK) are not required to be of any type of quality, though why they should be linked should be germane to the topic. Now, we can talk about a non-bold linked that is completely in bad shape, but that's not the same thing as a few orange tags. --Masem (t) 03:15, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment - per the Literature Nobel, added generic altblurb2 with the non-bio articles removed. - Indefensible (talk) 22:07, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Posted Stephen 00:27, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment: Imo posting was a little premature. I have no idea what work Imbens specifically does related to causal relationships (or really, anything in economics) based on his article, which is mostly a list of educational history, positions, and awards. SpencerT•C 01:04, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    @Spencer: Expanded Guido Imbens with his econometrics work. I feel it looks good for homepage. Please have a read. Cheers. Ktin (talk) 03:14, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    • Looks great, thank you. SpencerT•C 04:26, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[]

(Closed) 60th Anniversary Additional Commemorative Non-Aligned Meeting[edit]

Consensus will not develop to post an anniversary meeting without a significant outcome. Stephen 05:39, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: 60th Anniversary Additional Commemorative Non-Aligned Meeting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​60th Anniversary Non-Aligned Movement Meeting brought together Third World leaders commemorating 1961 1st Summit of the Non-Aligned Movement in Belgrade SFR Yugoslavia (Post)
 MirkoS18 00:25 11 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Neutral But sign your nomination, please. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:50, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose Unorganised stub.  Nixinova T  C   04:13, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose - This is just an anniversary with no clear significance, and it's not reported by BBC, CNN (can't add a link thanks to the site's search results being blacklisted), The Guardian (TG uses Google to show search results so there is no link to the results), Reuters, and AFP. Tube·of·Light 04:28, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose. Per above comments. --Tataral (talk) 05:17, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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