Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates

This page provides a forum for editors to suggest items for inclusion on In the news (ITN), a protected template on the Main Page, as well as the forum for discussion of candidates. This is not the page to report errors in the ITN section on the Main Page—please go to the appropriate section at WP:ERRORS. Archives of past nominations can be found here.

This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. Under each daily section header below is the transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day (with a light green header). Each day's portal page is followed by a subsection for suggestions and discussion.

A blurb is a one sentence summary of the news story. An alternate suggestion for the blurb is called an altblurb, and any more suggestions get labelled alt1, alt2, etc. A blurb needs at least one target article, highlighted in bold; reviewers check the quality of that article and whether it is updated, and whether reliable sources demonstrate the significance of the event. Other articles can also be linked. The Ongoing line is for regularly updated articles which cover events that remain in the news over a longer period of time. RD stands for the "recent deaths" line, and can include any living thing whose death was recently announced. In some cases, recent deaths may need additional explanation as provided by a blurb; this is decided by consensus.

Alexei Navalny Russian opposition activist Alexei Navalny (pictured) is awarded the Sakharov Prize. PAICV candidate José Maria Neves is elected President of Cape Verde. British Member of Parliament Sir David Amess dies after being stabbed during a constituency meeting. Severe Tropical Storm Kompasu kills 40 people in the Philippines and Hong Kong. Ongoing: COVID-19 pandemic Recent deaths: Bernard Haitink Martha Henry Halyna Hutchins Jean Rochon Hiroshi Ono Einár view — page history — related changes — edit

How to nominate an item In order to suggest a candidate: Update an article to be linked to from the blurb to include the recent developments, or find an article that has already been updated. Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated). Do not add sections for new dates. These are automatically generated (at midnight UTC) by a bot; creating them manually breaks this process. Nominate the blurb for ITN inclusion under the "Suggestions" subheading for the date, emboldening the link in the blurb to the updated article. Use a level 4 header (====) when doing so. Preferably use the template {{ITN candidate}} to nominate the article related to the event in the news. Make sure that you include a reference from a verifiable, reliable secondary source. Press releases are not acceptable. The suggested blurb should be written in simple present tense. Adding an explanation why the event should be posted greatly increases the odds of posting. Please consider alerting editors to the nomination by adding the template {{ITN note}} to the corresponding article's talk page. There are criteria which guide the decision on whether or not to put a particular item on In the news, based largely on the extensiveness of the updated content and the perceived significance of the recent developments. These are listed at WP:ITN. Submissions that do not follow the guidelines at Wikipedia:In the news will not be placed onto the live template. Headers Items that have been posted or pulled from the main page are generally marked with (Posted) or (Pulled) in the item's subject so it is clear they are no longer active. Items can also be marked as (Ready) when the article is both updated and there seems to be a consensus to post. The posting admin, however, should always judge the update and the consensus to post themselves. If you find an entry that you don't feel is ready to post is marked (Ready), you should remove the mark in the header. Voicing an opinion on an item Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated. Please do not... add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are usually not helpful. Instead, explain the reasons why you think the item meets or does not meet the ITN inclusion criteria so a consensus can be reached. oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive. accuse other editors of supporting, opposing or nominating due to a personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). Conflicts of interest are not handled at ITN. comment on a story without first reading the relevant article(s). oppose a recurring item here because you disagree with the recurring items criteria. The criteria can be discussed at the relevant talk page.

October 24

Portal:Current events/2021 October 24
Current events of October 24, 2021 (2021-10-24) (Sunday)

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October 23

Portal:Current events/2021 October 23

Current events of October 23, 2021 (2021-10-23) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks October 2021 Tehreek-e-Labbaik Pakistan protests Clashes continue for the second day in Lahore, Pakistan, as the banned far-right Islamic extremist political party Tehreek-e-Labbaik Pakistan is demonstrating to pressure the government to release its leader Saad Hussain Rizvi, who was arrested last year. Three protesters and two policemen were killed yesterday during the clashes and two protesters are killed today. (Al Jazeera) 2021 Democratic Republic of the Congo attacks IS claims responsibility for killing 16 civilians during an assault at a village in Beni, Democratic Republic of the Congo, three days ago. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2021 Pacific hurricane season A tropical storm intensifies into Hurricane Rick off Mexico's Southern Pacific coast, and is expected to make landfall in the states of Michoacán and Colima. (AP via Federal News Network) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Namibia Namibia suspends the usage of the Russian made Sputnik V COVID-19 vaccine amid reports from South Africa that the vaccine carries a risk of causing HIV infections in men. (WION) COVID-19 pandemic in New Zealand The South Island reports its first community case of COVID-19 since November 2020 in a man who travelled from Rotorua to Blenheim on October 21. (Stuff) COVID-19 pandemic in Russia Russia reports a record for the fifth consecutive day of 1,075 deaths from COVID-19, thereby bringing the nationwide death toll to 229,528. The country also reports a record for the third consecutive day of 37,678 new cases of COVID-19, thereby bringing the nationwide total of confirmed cases to 8.2 million. (ANI News) COVID-19 pandemic in South Korea, COVID-19 vaccination in South Korea The percentage of the population that is fully vaccinated in South Korea surpasses 70%, allowing the government to ease their COVID-19-related restrictions in November. (The Straits Times) International relations Foreign relations of Turkey Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan orders the ambassadors of ten Western nations to be expelled from the country after their embassies called for the release of political prisoner Osman Kavala. (Reuters) Foreign relations of Hungary, 2022 Hungarian parliamentary election At a rally in central Budapest, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán accuses the United States, the European Union, and philanthropist George Soros of trying to meddle in the upcoming parliamentary elections. The accusations come as opinion polls show Orbán's alliance Fidesz–KDNP and the rival United Opposition polling neck-and-neck. (Al Jazeera) Law and crime European migrant crisis The trial of Matteo Salvini opens in Palermo, Italy. Salvini is accused of kidnapping and abuse of office when he ordered the detaining of 147 migrants at sea in August 2019, when he was serving as minister of the interior. Salvini said that the decision was agreed upon with the government, including then-prime minister Giuseppe Conte. (France24) Science and technology Discoveries of exoplanets Scientists at the University of Hawaiʻi at Mānoa announce the discovery of 2M0437b, one of the youngest exoplanets ever found at a distant star. The exoplanet was discovered using the Subaru Telescope at the observatory on Mauna Kea. (SciTech) Sports 2021 NCAA Division I FBS football season In college football, the Illinois Fighting Illini defeats Penn State 20-18 in nine overtimes, making it the longest football game ever played in the NCAA. (Sports Illustrated)

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RD: Grant Woods

Article: Grant Woods (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Former Arizona Attorney General Grant Woods dies at 67
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Elli (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: I've referenced all of the article's prose, except the lead per WP:LEADCITE. Elli (talk | contribs) 01:19, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Osman Kavala case

Article: Osman Kavala (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​President of Turkey Recep Tayyip Erdogan announced that ambassadors of United States, Germany, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, and Sweden will be declared "persona non grata" after the demand for the release of civil society activist Osman Kavala (Post)
News source(s): FT, CNBC
Credits:

• Nominated by 109.252.201.66 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

• Oppose Not significant yet development. 180.254.162.137 (talk) 00:52, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

October 22

Portal:Current events/2021 October 22

Current events of October 22, 2021 (2021-10-22) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Assailants armed with guns and knives attack an Islamic seminary at Balukhali refugee camp for Rohingya refugees near the Bangladesh–Myanmar border, killing seven people. (Al Jazeera) Business and economy Evergrande liquidity crisis Chinese property developer Evergrande Group reports that it transferred US$83.5 million to pay off interests on its dollar bonds, allowing it to avert short-term default a day before its deadline. (Business Insider) Disasters and accidents Sixteen people are killed and another is injured by an explosion at a chemical plant in Ryazan Oblast, Russia. (Reuters) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Asia COVID-19 pandemic in Iran, Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on religion Mass Friday prayers resume in the capital Tehran after a 20-month suspension due to the pandemic. Worshippers must adhere to social distancing measures and use face masks during the gatherings, with most worshippers using their own prayer rugs and clay tablets. (Al-Arabiya English) COVID-19 pandemic in mainland China, COVID-19 vaccination in mainland China The Chinese capital Beijing begins administering booster doses of the COVID-19 vaccines to "at-risk" individuals over the age of 18, which includes those participating, organizing, or working in the 2022 Winter Olympics as well as people working in education, manufacturing, retail, and public facilities. (The Hill) COVID-19 pandemic in Sri Lanka, COVID-19 vaccination in Sri Lanka President Gotabaya Rajapaksa orders security personnel and health care and tourism industry workers in Sri Lanka to receive a booster dose of the COVID-19 vaccine beginning on November 1 in order to revive the economy and specifically the tourism industry due to the effects of the pandemic. (Reuters) COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in Belarus Belarus ends its short-lived mask mandate that was introduced on October 9 despite a record number of COVID-19 cases as President Alexander Lukashenko dismissed the measures as "unnecessary". (AP) COVID-19 pandemic in Russia Russia reports a record for the fourth consecutive day of 1,064 deaths from COVID-19, bringing the nationwide death toll to 228,453. The country also reports a record for the second consecutive day of 37,141 new cases of COVID-19, thereby bringing the nationwide total of confirmed cases to 8,168,305. (Saudi Press Agency) COVID-19 pandemic in Ukraine Ukraine closes schools and public venues in Kyiv and will only permit the schools to reopen if teachers are vaccinated in other "red zone" areas after the country reported a record for the second consecutive day of 29,785 new cases and 614 deaths from COVID-19. (AFP via Barron's) COVID-19 pandemic in Oceania COVID-19 pandemic in Australia COVID-19 pandemic in Victoria Melbourne lifts its world-record lockdown restrictions as over 70% of the Victorian population are now fully vaccinated against COVID-19. Private and public gatherings are now allowed with limitations and schools and businesses will reopen with density caps. The controversial night-time curfew is also lifted. (ABC News Australia) COVID-19 pandemic in Fiji, COVID-19 vaccination in Fiji After vaccinating most of its adult population, Fiji announces that it has already vaccinated 28,965 children between the ages of 15 and 17 with at least one dose of the COVID-19 vaccine. (RNZ) COVID-19 pandemic in New Zealand The New Zealand Government sets a target of 90% of the population fully vaccinated, which is very high by international standards, in order to end lockdown measures and shift to a new traffic light system giving vaccinated Kiwis more freedoms. (1 News) COVID-19 pandemic in Peru Peru surpasses 200,000 deaths from COVID-19, which is the second Latin American country to do so after Brazil. (Anadolu Agency) COVID-19 vaccine Pfizer says that its vaccine is 90% effective in children between the ages of 5 and 11. (CBS News) Law and crime 2021 Eswatini protests Police and the army open fire on a group of health workers protesting outside a hospital in Eswatini, injuring 30 people. (BBC News) Killing of David Amess After appearing at Westminster Magistrates' Court and the Old Bailey, Ali Harbi Ali is charged with the murder of David Amess and remanded to Belmarsh prison. He is due to be tried on March 7, 2022. (BBC News) Trump–Ukraine scandal Former Rudy Giuliani associate Lev Parnas is convicted of campaign financing crimes and for illegally funding foreign cash to Republicans during the 2018 midterms. (NBC News) Cannabis in Luxembourg Luxembourg legalizes cannabis, becoming the first country in Europe to do so. (TheStreet) Israeli–Palestinian conflict The Israeli Defense Ministry designates six humanitarian Palestinian groups, including human rights organization Al-Haq and non-profit organization Union of Agricultural Work Committees, as "terrorist organisations" for their alleged connections to the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. The Palestinian National Authority, the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights, and several human rights groups harshly criticize the designations. (Al Jazeera)

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RD: Peter Scolari

Article: Peter Scolari (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety, Fox News
Credits:

• Nominated by CoatCheck (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Bosom Buddies (with Tom Hanks), Newhart actor. CoatCheck (talk) 20:17, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose Article is in bad shape, a lot of unsourced sentences (not to mention filmography section). --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:15, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

RD: Udo Zimmermann

Article: Udo Zimmermann (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Tagesspiegel
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The third death today (news today, DOD could also be 21, or 15), leading composer and music organiser who was great in East Germany and managed to remain important after reunifaication. An article I had expanded before, not much work for a change. Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:20, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

• Comment – Prominent figure in the Classical arenas of both Germanies and thereafter. Another fairly comprehensive RD article. – Sca (talk) 21:38, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

October 21

Portal:Current events/2021 October 21

Current events of October 21, 2021 (2021-10-21) (Thursday) Disasters and accidents 2021 Rust shooting incident Cinematographer Halyna Hutchins is killed during the production of the upcoming American film Rust in Bonanza City, New Mexico, while film director Joel Souza is in critical condition, after actor Alec Baldwin reportedly shot a loaded gun. (AFP via The Straits Times) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in Russia Moscow mayor Sergei Sobyanin announces a non-working week from October 28 until November 7 in order to reduce the spread of COVID-19. Only firms that serve essential goods and the city infrastructure would be allowed to operate. (The Moscow Times) Russia reports a record 36,339 new cases and 1,030 deaths from COVID-19 in the past 24 hours, thereby bringing the nationwide total of confirmed cases to 8.13 million and the nationwide death toll to 227,389. (Anadolu Agency) COVID-19 pandemic in Latvia Latvia enters a month-long lockdown until November 15 that closes non-essential shops, cinemas and hairdressers, as well as implements a curfew from 8 p.m. to 5 a.m., due to an increase in the number of COVID-19 cases. (Medical Xpress) COVID-19 pandemic in Ukraine Ukraine reports a record 22,415 new cases and 546 deaths from COVID-19 in the past 24 hours, thereby bringing the nationwide total of confirmed cases to 2.7 million and the nationwide death toll to 62,389. (AP) COVID-19 pandemic in Asia COVID-19 pandemic in India, COVID-19 vaccination in India India reports that it has administered more than one billion COVID-19 vaccinations since it started its vaccination drive in January. (BBC News) COVID-19 pandemic in Saudi Arabia, COVID-19 vaccination in Saudi Arabia Saudi Arabia begins the rollout of booster doses of the COVID-19 vaccines for people aged above 18 and have received their second dose at least six months ago. (Gulf News) COVID-19 pandemic in New Zealand New Zealand reports a record 102 new cases of COVID-19 in the past 24 hours, which is the first the time that the country has reported more than 100 cases since the beginning of the pandemic. (The Guardian) COVID-19 pandemic in the United States COVID-19 vaccination in the United States The Biden administration announces that the United States has donated 200 million COVID-19 vaccines to countries around the world, fulfilling a pledge from president Joe Biden that the U.S. would be the "world's arsenal" in vaccines. (The Hill) The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention endorses booster shots of the Moderna and Johnson & Johnson vaccines. (The New York Times) COVID-19 misinformation COVID-19 misinformation by China The University of Oxford links the Chinese government to a disinformation campaign promoting the unfounded claim that COVID-19 could have been imported to China from the United States through Maine lobsters shipped to a seafood market in Wuhan in November 2019. (NBC News) Climate change Greenpeace partially leaks a draft report from the International Panel on Climate Change, revealing that a number of large oil, coal, beef and animal feed-producing countries including Australia, Saudi Arabia, Brazil and Argentina are lobbying the IPCC for looser restrictions on global heating. (AP) International relations 2021 North Kosovo crisis A working group to find a more permanent solution to the license plate issue, consisting of negotiators from the governments of Kosovo and Serbia, meet for the first time in Brussels. If negotiations are successful, the group will announce their proposals in 6 months. (Gazeta Tema) Law and crime Aftermath of the 2021 United States Capitol attack The United States House of Representatives votes 229–202 to hold former White House Chief Strategist Steve Bannon in criminal contempt for refusing to comply with a subpoena issued by the January 6 select committee investigating the attack on the U.S. Capitol. The contempt is referred to the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia and United States Attorney General Merrick Garland to decide whether to prosecute Bannon. (AP) COVID-19 pandemic in France, Vaccine passports during the COVID-19 pandemic The French National Assembly votes 135 to 125 to approve the extension of the COVID-19 Health Pass until at least July 31, 2022. The bill will be debated at the French Senate on October 28 in preparation for adopting the bill on November 15. (The Connexion) Killing of Justine Damond Former Minneapolis Police Department officer Mohamed Noor is resentenced to four years and nine months in prison for the manslaughter of unarmed 9-1-1 caller Justine Damond. Noor had originally been sentenced to 12.5 years for murder in 2017. (CNN) Twenty-four people have been executed in Syria for deliberately starting wildfires in late 2020 that killed three people. (BBC News) The leader of the Haitian gang who kidnapped 17 United States and Canadian missionaries has threatened to kill the hostages if the gang does not receive the $17 million ransom for their release. (CNN) The Benin National Assembly votes to legalize abortion within the first three months of pregnancy if it is likely to "aggravate or cause material, educational, professional or moral distress" or is "incompatible with the woman or the unborn child's interest", becoming one of the few countries in Africa to authorize abortions. (Africanews) Politics and elections Ratu Wiliame Katonivere becomes the president-elect of Fiji. He will replace incumbent president Jioji Konrote when he is confirmed by parliament. (RNZ)

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(Posted) RD: Halyna Hutchins

Article: Halyna Hutchins (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Ukrainian director of photography Halyna Hutchins is shot and killed in a prop gun incident on the set of her final film, Rust. (Post)
News source(s): Interfax, CBC, Variety
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew J.Kurbiko (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Stevage (talk · give credit), CAWylie (talk · give credit), SWinxy (talk · give credit) and Chillabit (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Open deletion discussion is decidevley "keep" -- Andrei (talk) 18:15, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

• Comment: Let's not post this on MainPage till after the AfD is closed. Also, please be reminded that the Filmography section needs to be referenced. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 18:30, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

  Added more links --Andrei (talk) 18:35, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

  I've closed the AfD as a WP:SNOW keep. Elli (talk | contribs) 19:59, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

• Blurb Shot by a Hollywood A-lister quite famous actor while making a movie about manslaughter and miscarriage of justice. Basically The Crow, but with roles reversed, charges reduced and a notable co-casualty. Not a "transformative" cinematographer, but definitely a big story here. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:48, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Consensus has already determined that the inadvertent shotting is not a ITN blurbworthy story (see below). And to have a relatively unknown actress qualify for a blurb is highly questionable (this is not a Kobe Bryant-level of importance). --Masem (t) 21:54, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

    That was before all the victims were notable. And no, she wasn't Kobe Bryant. But she wasn't retired, either, arguably at the contemporary top of her field (which wasn't acting). InedibleHulk (talk) 22:04, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support RD – Not blurb-worthy but the article has quickly passed GNG requirements so there's no reason to withhold it from RD now. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 22:00, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support RD I know there's still questions about why a prop gun was loaded and likely more details at the movie article, but it would be nice to see a statement from Baldwin or investigations related to the death, eg [1], at least as I read the media, they definitely don't seem to be blaming Baldwin for the death (whether legally he will be is a different question). --Masem (t) 22:04, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

  Accidents are blurbable, too, not just murders. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:08, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

  Added his tweet, anyway, sure doesn't seem malicious. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:31, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

• Comment Whether to blurb or not was already decided a few posts below this, and the result was "no". It's too late to relitigate that. This is only for deciding RD. Mlb96 (talk) 23:13, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

  This target article didn't even exist when four people voted for four hours on an upcoming movie's article and/or a sentence semantically about a living actor and producer. Whole other nom here, about a recent death. No blurb specified, though. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:22, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support RD Article is well sourced, I would support a blurb but I feel a consensus won't be reached in time (which sucks). --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:14, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

  If you had, we'd be tied 2-2 right now, just saying. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:44, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

• Full Disclosure I wrote that blurb, uncredited, after the last vote. The nominator does not necessarily support it, and should be presumed "RD only". I was not compensated in any way for interfering in this process, and am not part of any relevant artist's guild. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:42, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support blurb. This story is generating significant news coverage and the article is in good shape. -- Tavix ^(talk) 02:21, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support RD, extremely strong oppose blurb The death is tragic, but she was in no way notable enough for a blurb; had Alex Baldwin been the one killed, I would argue that he would not be worthy of a blurb. This is a story of morbid curiosity but zero lasting impact (with the possible exception of reform I'm regards to weapon safety on set). -- Kicking222 (talk) 02:36, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment InedibleHulk, could you stop being POINT-y? You're disrupting the discussion. Someone with more experience than I should TROUT you. Baldwin is no A-lister and Hutchins is nowhere near top of her field. This is a tabloid-level story dominating a slow news cycle. 202.8.114.140 (talk) 03:57, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posted as RD --PFHLai (talk) 05:34, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Martha Henry

Article: Martha Henry (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC News; Toronto Star; The Stratford Beacon Herald
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 17:05, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

• Comment One cn tag, otherwise everything seems ok Scaramouche33 (talk) 17:35, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

• @Scaramouche33: I've removed the unsourced sentences in question. —Bloom6132 (talk) 22:15, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

• Then it's a Support from me Scaramouche33 (talk) 05:40, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support because of how prolific she was. Connor Behan (talk) 22:42, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posted --PFHLai (talk) 06:16, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

RD: Mike McCoy (businessman)

Article: Mike McCoy (businessman) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Dallas Morning News
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: First reported today (October 21); died on October 17 (i.e. provable gap of at least two days). —Bloom6132 (talk) 11:57, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

(Closed) Rust shooting accident

Consensus will not develop to post. --Tone 14:43, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Rust (upcoming film) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​American actor and film producer Alec Baldwin accidentally kills cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and injures director Joel Souza with a prop gun on the set of the film Rust. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Kiril Simeonovski (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: The story is really a very unusual incident, which is top news in the media today. --Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:48, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose this blurb makes it look like there's an article for the incident, which there isn't. It's four sentences in an article about an upcoming film, and that's all it will ever me. Tragic- yes. ITN-worthy- no. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:55, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. I don't think this would be in the news if it did not involve Baldwin. In essence this is a tragic workplace accident. 331dot (talk) 10:57, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

• But it did involve Baldwin. I doubt Cumbre Vieja would have made the news if it had not erupted. He's in the news in both UK and US? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:16, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality based on minimal update on a stubby film page, Rust (upcoming film). Probably oppose on significance of the event too, a (currently) accidental but tragic death of a person that might not have a standalone page.—Bagumba (talk) 11:36, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose – Lacks general significance – unless it could be shown that this was not an accident. – Sca (talk) 12:12, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(Posted) RD: Bernard Haitink

Article: Bernard Haitink (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times, Classic FM, Gramophone, Spiegel
Credits:

• Nominated by NorthernFalcon (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Pachu Kannan (talk · give credit) and Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Famous Dutch conductor. Article already in fairly decent shape, needs a little bit of touching up and should be good to go. NorthernFalcon (talk) 02:56, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support It looks good article, however its lead should be improved.--Seyyed(t-c) 03:49, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment: Multiple CN tags that need to be addressed. Spencer^T•C 06:48, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose two orange-tagged sections, and multiple other cn tags that need to be addressed. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:54, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Just one section now - Awards and honours - that needs attention. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:55, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

    much improved since I saw it, - working on it Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:38, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

  • upd: Joseph, there are still a few unreferenced awards (commented out), and two of these final concerts (commented out), but I don't believe missing them makes the article unencyclopedic. I need a break for fresh air, - would be pleasantly surprised if someone revived those bits with refs. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:40, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment – Looks good to me. – Sca (talk) 13:36, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support. Much improved, well sourced throughout. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:03, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment – Quite comprehensive as RDs go – over 1,000 words. Suggest post. – Sca (talk) 21:29, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

  I make it now 1,425. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:00, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

  What else is required here? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:28, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

  Sometimes they just wait for the "oldest" one on the page to have at least 24 hours. (And sometimes they don't.) I'll nominate the next shortly, it's sad. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:49, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

  Oh, do they? I didn't know. Have they written that down anywhere? I guess that has a certain logic, as there's a finite amount of space. But not sure if that prevents this being marked as "Ready". Perhaps it should be marked "Ready (awaiting a slot)"? Martinevans123 (talk) 09:56, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

• Comment – This significant RD has been ready to be posted for 16 hours. There's no editorial reason to delay it any longer. (I don't understand the Halyna Hutchins RD taking precedence over it, either.) – Sca (talk) 12:32, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
• Suggestion: The paragraph in the Career section on his involvement with Boston, London, Berlin, etc. has zero footnotes. Please add references. (There is a {cn} tag at the end of that paragraph now.) --PFHLai (talk) 12:42, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

  Now fully addressed? (I suspect all of those facts can also be found in the existing sources). Martinevans123 (talk) 13:03, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

  Thanks for the footnotes. --PFHLai (talk) 13:29, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

• Posted--PFHLai (talk) 13:29, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Einár

Article: Einár (rapper) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2], [3]
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by BabbaQ (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 --BabbaQ (talk) 01:09, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose. Basically a discography without context about his life or work. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 01:12, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

I have expanded it. And it has been deemed a Start article based on article content besides Discography.BabbaQ (talk) 01:18, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Have expanded the article further since above comments. Also added more sources.BabbaQ (talk) 07:38, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

• Comment it's 2183 characters long (excluding tables)- is there any more than can be said about him? If there really isn't then its just about long enough for RD. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:57, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Have added some additional information. It’s long enough for RD inclusion now. BabbaQ (talk) 09:10, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

• Weak support about long enough. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:58, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support Article has been expanded, and is of sufficient quality for posting to the main page. --Jayron32 12:47, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posted. Black Kite (talk) 14:55, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi

Article: Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Forbes
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:43, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support looks fine for RD. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:27, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support Per above. ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 16:48, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support The article is in good shape and well-referenced. Hanamanteo (talk) 16:50, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posting. --Tone 17:27, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

October 20

Portal:Current events/2021 October 20

Current events of October 20, 2021 (2021-10-20) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian civil war 2021 Damascus bus bombing Two bombs attached to a military bus detonate as it passes under Jisr al-Rais bridge in Damascus, killing 14 people. Minutes later, military shellfire kills at least 10 civilians in Ariha, Idlib Governorate. (BBC News) Allied Democratic Forces insurgency Sixteen civilians are killed after armed militants raided villages in Beni, Democratic Republic of the Congo. (Al Jazeera) Disasters and accidents 2021 Nepal floods The death toll due to floods and landslides in western Nepal increases to 77. The government has pledged aid to the hardest-hit areas. (NDTV) Mount Aso in Kumamoto Prefecture, Japan, erupts, sending smoke 3,500 meters into the sky. The eruption began around noon local time. Chief Cabinet Secretary Hirokazu Matsuno says that there are no reports of injuries but that they are currently investigating reports of climbers on the mountain before the eruption. (The Asahi Shimbun) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Africa COVID-19 pandemic in Kenya Kenyan President Uhuru Kenyatta lifts the nationwide curfew that had been in place since March 2020 and allows places of worship to be filled to two-thirds of their capacity as the number of COVID-19 cases decreases. (Bloomberg) COVID-19 pandemic in Senegal Senegal reports zero COVID-19 cases in the past 24 hours for the first time since the beginning of the pandemic. (News 24) COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in Russia Russian President Vladimir Putin approves the cabinet proposal for non-working days for employees from October 31 until November 7 amid a persistent increase in the number of COVID-19 cases and deaths. (VOA) COVID-19 pandemic in Serbia The Serbian government announces that they will introduce COVID-19 health passes for all indoor cafés and restaurants, which will be mandatory beginning from October 23 at 10:00 p.m. (N1) COVID-19 pandemic in the United Kingdom, COVID-19 drug development The British government signs an agreement to secure 480,000 courses of Molnupiravir produced by Merck Sharp and Dohme, and 250,000 courses of Ritonavir produced by Pfizer, where both of them need to be approved by health regulator. (Sky News) COVID-19 pandemic in Singapore Singapore reports a record 18 deaths from COVID-19 in the past 24 hours, thereby bringing the nationwide death toll to 264. (Today) COVID-19 pandemic in the United States, COVID-19 vaccination in the United States The Food and Drug Administration authorizes booster doses of the Moderna and Janssen COVID-19 vaccines, as well as allow Americans to choose a different vaccine from their original inoculation as a booster. (NPR) International relations President of Russia Vladimir Putin says that he will not physically attend the COP26 climate summit in Glasgow. (BBC News) Law and crime Stoneman Douglas High School shooting Nikolas Jacob Cruz, who is accused of the 2018 mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, United States, pleads guilty on all 34 charges. (CNN) Politics and elections An indirect presidential election was held to choose the first ever President of Barbados. The outgoing Governor-General of Barbados, Dame Sandra Mason, was the only candidate nominated; Mason will be sworn in on 30 November, the 55th anniversary of Barbadian independence from the United Kingdom. The government of Barbados announced in September 2020 that they would transition to a republic by that date. (BBC) Science and technology Xenotransplantation Researchers at NYU Langone Health in New York City announce that a team of surgeons last month, led by Dr. Robert Montgomery, successfully attached a genetically-modified pig kidney to a brain dead patient for two days without rejection. (NPR)

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RD: Hans Haselböck

Article: Hans Haselböck (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Die Presse
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
• Created by Jmanlucas (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Influential organist, concerts in the world, teaching in Vienna over decades, pioneer of a new church music after the Vatican Council, - and no article in English until now! Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:58, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support The article is in good shape and well-referenced. Hanamanteo (talk) 13:07, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

2021 Barbadian presidential election

Article: 2021 Barbadian presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​Dame Sandra Mason is elected as the first President of Barbados. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​Barbados becomes a republic, with Parliament electing Sandra Mason as the first President of Barbados
Alternative blurb II: ​Ahead of Barbados becoming a republic, Parliament elects Sandra Mason as the country's first President
News source(s): BBC, Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by Joofjoof (talk · give credit)
• Created by Glide08 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: The former Governor-General will serve as President when Barbados becomes a republic. Joofjoof (talk) 23:05, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support. Change in head of state, and in system of government. Article is small (~start class) but cited throughout. I don't believe we should be using a title ("dame") in the blurb though but I could be wrong. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 23:20, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment - This is a bit trick to me. This seems to be a ceremonial position and an indirect election. Am I right?--Kacamata! ^Dimmi!!! 00:15, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Yes, but it's also the election of the head of state who will succeed Queen Elizabeth when the Republic is established, so a little more significant than such elections would usually be. I'm personally mixed on whether or not it's ITN, or whether it would be better to wait until 30 November when the monarchy in Barbados officially ends, but I get why the conversation is occurring. Wizardoftheyear (talk) 00:56, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment: Not opposing, but I'd suggest waiting until 30 November, when the constitutional shift is to take place. Much bigger story. Moscow Mule (talk) 03:35, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment The issue is important however the article looks not good. It should be improved.--Seyyed(t-c) 03:52, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment I am broadly supportive of this. The article, while a bit short, is decent and the event is significant, but I do agree that it may make more sense to do it when the constitutional change actually takes effect. The blurb could also use revision to note that this is the first president of Barbados following Lizzie's removal. Melmann 07:19, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

• Well "Lizzie" hasn't been removed until the 30th, so we shouldn't be posting that yet. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:05, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support as it is notable that they are switching how their head of state is chosen. 331dot (talk) 09:02, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support whilst an unusual election, it's a change of head of state. Fine for it to run now, or on the 30th, which is when she becomes head of state. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:05, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment I also support posting this in November with a combined blurb. --Tone 09:07, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
• ’’’Support altblurb’’’ Proposed an altblurb that clarifies the significance
• Oppose posting now, wait until November 30. This election does not seem notable to me. The current Governor-General was nominated and approved by parliament to be the first president-elect, which appears to be a mostly ceremmonial role similar to her current role as Governor-General. I don't think we post when ceremonial heads of state change in other countries. Like others I agree the notable event is becoming a republic, which happens November 30. Arstoien (talk) 16:17, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Change to support altblurb. Jayron32 below makes a good point. Arstoien (talk) 18:36, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support for Nov 30 This is quite a big thing for Barbados. I like the alt blurb. Heythereimaguy (talk) 16:20, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support altblurb. It is in the news now, so it should be posted now. Waiting for arbitrary future dates when a story may or may not be in the news seems like a bad idea. If it's being covered now, we should post it now. --Jayron32 16:22, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support posting a blurb now, but I think altblurb is slightly misleading and the original blurb is insufficient. I think the best blurb would be one that says that Barbados is transitioning into a republic, but "Barbados becomes a republic" makes it sound like the change of government type is effective immediately. This is something they've been planning for over a year, and Parliament appointing their first president is just one of the last major steps in that process. I'd propose an altblurb myself but I'm not sure what the best way to word it is yet.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 19:19, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
• Added an altblurb II, similar to BBC headline. I bolded the link to Republicanism in Barbados rather than 2021 Barbadian presidential election because most seem to think the becoming a republic is the main story, not the election. Arstoien (talk) 23:43, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

• Thank you very much! Altblurb II is the most accurate one so far.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 19:09, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) Sakharov Prize

Article: Alexei Navalny (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​Russian opposition activist Alexei Navalny (pictured) is awarded the Sakharov Prize. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​Russian opposition activist Alexei Navalny (pictured) is awarded the Sakharov Prize for his contribution to protecting freedom of thought.
Alternative blurb II: ​Opposition politician Alexei Navalny (pictured) is awarded the Sakharov Prize for his work against corruption in Russia.
News source(s): Euronews, dpa, DW (Eng.), WaPo, NPR, AFP (Via Yahoo), NYT (paywalled)
Credits:

• Nominated by Brandmeister (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Update currently may be small, but otherwise the article looks ok. Brandmeister^talk 15:34, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support Checking the Sakharov Prize webpage, there's not much more details there either except a biography of Navalny. The article itself is top notch, however, and worth putting on the main page. News is covering this, besides the EuroNews link above, there are substantial stories from WaPo, NY Times, and al Jazeera. There's sufficient coverage to indicate significance. --Jayron32 15:54, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• I feel the blurb needs to say something of why he got the prize or what the prize is nominally for (presently short enough to add something) though I'm not seeing, as usually with something like the Nobels, a short statement for the reason. --Masem (t) 15:57, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

  From the Prize's own webpage: the Sakharov Prize for Freedom of Thought is the highest tribute paid by the European Union to human rights work. It gives recognition to individuals, groups and organisations that have made an outstanding contribution to protecting freedom of thought. Through the prize and its associated network the EU assists laureates, who are supported and empowered in their efforts to defend their causes. I'm sure we can crib something from that. I've made a stab at an altblurb. Feel free to edit it or add another altblurb as needed. --Jayron32 16:12, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

  Works for me. I know the prize is ITNR and not doubting its place there, but its relatively unknown and so why its given out should be mentioned. Good with the altblurb for that. --Masem (t) 16:16, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

• Excellent article, but it could really do with at least a couple of sentences on why he won the prize. I've added alt2, which is based on the quotations in the WaPo report. Modest Genius ^talk 16:33, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

  I've added a quotation to the article. Some more on the reaction would be welcome. Modest Genius ^talk 16:41, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

  On this, just below where you added, can we sentence-ify and add similar reasoning for the "2021 Knight of Freedom Award and 2021 M100 Media Award" things? They stand out when I look at the Sakharov Prize details. --Masem (t) 17:50, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

• Comment – That pic is 10 years old. Perhaps a more recent one is available? – Sca (talk) 17:00, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

  File:Alexey Navalny in 2020 (cropped).jpg? Modest Genius ^talk 17:07, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

  Thanks, but composition is jumbled. Could be cropped to a mug, but facial expression is rather odd. – Sca (talk) 17:12, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

  Quality and age are both relevant factors, and I'm okay with an older, better picture over a newer, lousier one. His appearance does not appear to be significantly different between the two pictures. --Jayron32 17:39, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

  If one did want to hunt for a newer picture of equivalent quality commons:Category:Alexey Navalny is a good place to start. --Jayron32 17:42, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

These two aren't too bad. [4] [5] Favor the first one. – Sca (talk) 18:00, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support – A significant gesture vis-a-vis Russian autocracy. Favor Alt1. – Sca (talk) 17:43, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support – Worth putting in, considering the article quality and the significance of the subject.ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 18:13, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support while there are a few unsourced claims in the BLP, "it's got more than 400 refs" etc etc, and I haven't the energy to argue. It would be just fine to bold the prize article too which, after all, is a featured list and isn't in bad condition. I would say that. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:27, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support, as prize article is excellent, and this is a significant subject.Jackattack1597 (talk) 22:10, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 23:39, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• If the EU awarding the Russian opposition leader in the current climate gets to ITN through ITNR, there may be something wrong with ITNR. Usedtobecool ☎️ 04:52, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

  If you believe the Sakharov Prize winners should not be automatically assumed relevant news stories to post to the main page, the place to have the discussion is Wikipedia talk:In the news. --Jayron32 11:12, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

(Closed) Ongoing removal: COVID-19 pandemic

Consensus is not going to develop to remove this from ongoing. - Fuzheado | Talk 14:39, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

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Article: COVID-19 pandemic (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)
Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Our oldest blurb is from October 14th. Since that day, nothing has been added to this article. Nothing at all. This plainly fails the Ongoing criteria the article needs to be regularly updated with new, pertinent information in every sense. If there is a specific article linked within this that is getting updates, then that article should be nominated for Ongoing. But we've had a static article featured on the Front Page for months that any interested reader has probably read many times over. If there is to be a specific carve-out for this particular article and Ongoing, please make a Talk section for it. I can't think of any non-IAR reason why this is still here. 130.233.213.141 (talk) 06:31, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support No longer an urgent developing story, overall, just became its own daily genre of mundane statistical reports, like weather, stocks or sports. New normal, as they say. Certainly doesn't need us to spotlight it anymore, if it ever did, the word's out. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:32, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose one would be hard-pressed to find a news outlet which doesn't publish COVID-related stories every day. Banedon (talk) 09:18, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support the requirement to stay on ongoing is that significant additions are being regularly made to an article. That isn't the case here, as there's barely any updates in October 2021. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:36, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose - this is still the single dominant story worldwide, even a year and a half after it started, and it still kills thousands every day. We've always treated it as an exception to the "continual updates" rule, in the interests of providing a quick link to this ongoing story from the main page. And having it as an Ongoing item was already a compromise given that we previously had a dedicated box to it at the top of ITN, whose removal many editors opposed.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:54, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
  • When was there an agreed consensus to treat this as an exception? Joseph2302 (talk) 10:10, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per Amakuru. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 10:09, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose The main reason why the article linked from ongoing doesn't receive regular updates is that it's already attained a stable version, and most of the daily updates are therefore done in its numerous sub-articles. If this is not enough to justify it, there are cases where we can invoke WP:IAR, and this is surely one of them. In the long run, we'll probably remove this from ongoing when WHO declares that the pandemic is over and post it in a blurb.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:18, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Given the unequal distribution of vaccines globally and the unequal vaccination rates across different regions of individual countries, it's unlikely that the WHO will declare the pandemic to be over any time soon. So we can't wait for such an announcement. The only criteria we can use is public interest which is still very high and will remain so for a while Scaramouche33 (talk) 10:24, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. The pandemic is not only still going on, it's still front-page news in many (perhaps most?) countries. Coronavirus stories are currently the top item on the websites of the BBC, CBC, Guardian, New York Times, Süddeutsche Zeitung etc. Life has not returned to 'normal' in most places. I understand the argument that the article isn't receiving frequent updates, which has merit. The traffic is also down to 20,000 hits per day - not insubstantial but not as high as I thought it would be. The numerous sub-articles are being updated, so we could switch the link to a more active target, but then it would be difficult to decide which one and we would be missing parts of the story. We shouldn't penalise an event for being so big that it spawned dozens of articles. This is the biggest news story since ITN began; I think we can treat it as a special case and IAR. Modest Genius ^talk 12:07, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose – Per Banedon, Amakuru. The pandemic remains the paramount condition of life on Earth and as such is comprehensively covered by RS media worldwide on a daily basis. – Sca (talk) 12:08, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose This is, quite literally, ongoing, and as others have said before, this is the biggest news story, and it's been so for over a year and a half. It would be wrong to remove this from Ongoing. Heythereimaguy (talk) 12:23, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose - We can't wish COVID-19 away. Even if vaccines are now widely available, the ongoing supply chain issue caused by pandemic lockdowns is definitely still present and covered by RS.--WaltCip-(talk) 12:36, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose The pandemic is ongoing and will be still for a long while. Sadly that link may remain there for a really long time but so be it. Rhino131 (talk) 12:52, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per Amakuru.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:52, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Suggestion Would it be better to change the link to a piped link to Timeline of the COVID-19 pandemic in October 2021 which is fully referenced and regularly updated? We could just shift the link each month to the new month's timeline. Just a thought... --Jayron32 13:26, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

  Well, that's listed in the 'Series' box below the infobox. Perhaps it should be added to 'See also' list below the text? – Sca (talk) 13:33, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

  I would say no, at that would be an Easter Egg link. If we're keeping COVID-19 on ongoing, it should be the main article about it. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:41, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

  A reasonable suggestion in principle, but in practice those timelines are a random selection of facts with little consistency and no coherent narrative. I doubt they would be of much use to readers. Modest Genius ^talk 13:42, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose. Still top news around the World. Change to "COVID-19 pandemic (October 2021)" to include an updated article without removing the main article. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:46, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Plenty of daily updates in subarticles of the topic - the top level is too broad for most of those to perculoate into that. --Masem (t) 13:49, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment – The main problem with the Covid article is length – more than 18,000 words. That equates to some 70 pages of typescript, or over 500 column-inches of the newspaper type of yore. Maybe a contingent of courageous copy editors should set to work on paring it down somewhat? (Not that it's unimportant, it's just unwieldy.) – Sca (talk) 13:51, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose WP:IAR, much like the pandemic itself.—Bagumba (talk) 14:07, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

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October 19

Portal:Current events/2021 October 19

Current events of October 19, 2021 (2021-10-19) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Yemeni Civil War UNICEF says that 10,000 children have been either killed or injured in Yemen since Saudi Arabia entered the country in 2015, in reaction to the Islamist Houthis' ousting of the government. This equates to an average of four children killed or injured every day since the start of the conflict. (Reuters) Mali War Defence minister Sadio Camara asks Mali's main Islamic body, the High Islamic Council, to mediate peace talks between the government and the local branch of al-Qaeda, Jama'at Nasr al-Islam wal Muslimin. The move is strongly opposed by France. (Al Jazeera) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in Bulgaria Bulgaria launches its COVID-19 Green Certificate which indicates that a person is either vaccinated, has tested negative, or has recovered from COVID-19. The certificate will be mandatory for all indoor activities beginning on October 21. (Novinite) COVID-19 pandemic in Russia Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin announces a stay-at-home order for unvaccinated or unrecovered people age 60 years and older for four months and ordering businesses to shift 30% of their workers to remote work beginning from October 25 due to record 1,015 deaths in Russia over the past 24 hours. (CBC) COVID-19 pandemic in the United Kingdom United Kingdom reports 233 deaths from COVID-19 in the past 24 hours, which is the highest single-day total of daily deaths since March 3. (Inews.co.uk) COVID-19 pandemic in Asia COVID-19 pandemic in Israel Israel reports its first case of the Delta subvariant "AY4.2" in a boy who travelled from Moldova. (The Times of Israel) COVID-19 pandemic in Singapore Singapore reports a record 3,994 new cases of COVID-19 in the past 24 hours, thereby bringing the nationwide total of confirmed cases to 154,725. (Today) COVID-19 pandemic in New Zealand New Zealand reports a record 94 new cases of COVID-19 in the past 24 hours. (The Guardian) COVID-19 pandemic in South Africa, COVID-19 vaccination in South Africa The South African Health Products Regulatory Authority rejects the Sputnik V COVID-19 vaccine due to some safety concerns the manufacturer wasn’t able to answer such as failed HIV vaccines that use Adenovirus Type 5 that are similar to Russian-made vaccine. (AP) International relations International Atomic Energy Agency chief Rafael Grossi says that he plans to visit Iran by the end of November in an effort to revive the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action. (Newsweek) Law and crime National responses to the COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Brazil The Brazilian Senate releases a report recommending that President Jair Bolsonaro should face criminal charges for homicide regarding his response to the COVID-19 pandemic in the country. (Reuters) 2021 Leverkusen explosion Three people are charged in Germany for killing and causing an explosion by recklessness at a chemical park in Leverkusen, North Rhine-Westphalia, in July. Seven people were killed and 31 others were injured. (Reuters) The Federal Bureau of Investigation announces that it has raided the Washington, D.C. house of Russian oligarch and Vladimir Putin ally Oleg Deripaska, who was sanctioned by the U.S. Treasury Department in 2018. (The Moscow Times) Global investment bank Credit Suisse agrees to pay a US$475 million fine to U.S. and British authorities after pleading guilty to conspiring wire fraud towards investors, which violated the anti-corruption law of Mozambique regarding bond offerings. (AFP via RFI)

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(Posted) RD: Jean Rochon

Article: Jean Rochon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Global News / Canadian Press; CBC Radio-Canada (in French); La Presse (in French)
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Only reported today (October 19); died on October 16 (i.e. provable gap of at least two days) —Bloom6132 (talk) 14:16, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support - C-class fully sourced article. Ready to go.--Kacamata! ^Dimmi!!! 22:10, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support The article is in good shape and well-referenced. Hanamanteo (talk) 02:47, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posted --PFHLai (talk) 22:05, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

(Closed) RD: Megan Rice

WP:NAC: stale (died on October 10 and reported the next day, which is beyond the oldest date not yet archived). —Bloom6132 (talk) 20:22, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

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Article: Megan Rice (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT WaPo The Independent
Credits:

• Nominated by Jonas1015119 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Anti-nuclear/peace activist and Catholic nun, most famous for breaching a nuclear storage facility aged 83, referred to as the biggest security breach in the history of the nation's atomic bomb complex. jonas (talk) 15:47, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

• When? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.189.58.81 (talk) 17:47, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Note Article quality looks good EXCEPT 1) there is no prose explanation of her death, either the manner or location of it, except that there is a date of death in the parenthetical at the beginning 2) The date, Oct 10, is to old to be considered for current inclusion on the list, unless news of her death has only been more recently released, and the explanation of her death in the text should indicate such a discrepancy as well. --Jayron32 17:54, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• WaPo obit added by the nominator is dated the 11th. Suggest Close. 159.53.78.141 (talk) 18:19, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment. I see that this is the nominator's first nomination with WP:ITNC. I see that they have missed out by 1 day. I also see that the article is well-referenced and from the looks of it -- pretty much ready to make it to homepage / RD. As a one-time exception, I would request the Admins to consider this nomination, given that it is the nominator's first submission. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 20:33, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

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Russia-NATO relations

Article: Russia–NATO relations (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​Russia breaks off relations with NATO after NATO expels eight Russian diplomats for alleged espionage (Post)
News source(s): [6] [7] [8]
Credits:

• Nominated by Banedon (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Supereditor91 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Surprised that this hasn't been nominated, might need a better blurb though. Banedon (talk) 05:48, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose All articles agree NATO dumped Russia in 2014 for messing with Crimea. Technically still something between them intermittently since, but hard to say exactly what; I think the average newsreader already considers them adversaries. That said, I'm willing to wait and see if an altblurb can put over the importance more decisively. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:11, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Check the source - NATO did not dump Russia in 2014, the two continued to exchange diplomats with one another. Banedon (talk) 02:13, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Meh. In the context of a supposed military alliance, occasional talk between a few dozen people in Belgium is pretty far estranged. Almost none of their talk described in the post-Crimea years of our article is even with each other, just about each other to their respective media partners. That won't change now, and neither will their complete lack of practical cooperation. Just fewer offices in Brussels going through the motions of...whatever it is happens daily there. Hard to say, but it certainly seems like pure formality. If a believable ally (like Denmark) suddenly ditched, that'd be hot news. But Russia's presence always was fairly conspicuous, no element of surprise left by 2021, in my opinion. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:05, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

October 18

Portal:Current events/2021 October 18

Current events of October 18, 2021 (2021-10-18) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Tigray War ENDF airstrikes on the city of Mekelle in Ethiopia's Tigray Region kill at least three people. (Al Jazeera) 2021 Eswatini protests Prime Minister Cleopas Dlamini orders the closure of schools across Eswatini in an attempt to stop pro-democracy protests that have occurred across the kingdom in the past few months. Protesters demand an end to the absolute monarchy of King Mswati III, the last of its kind in Africa, as ministers back the move, saying that there "is no room for such anarchy in our society". (Bloomberg) Business and economy Me Too movement German publishing house Axel Springer dismisses Julian Reichelt as the editor-in-chief of its tabloid newspaper Bild following sexual harassment complaints against Reichelt from his co-workers. (The New York Times) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Africa COVID-19 pandemic in Burundi Burundi launches its COVID-19 vaccination rollout using part of a shipment of 500,000 doses of the Sinopharm BIBP COVID-19 vaccine donated by China in a shift to make the country more active in its approach to containing the pandemic. (Reuters) COVID-19 pandemic in Zimbabwe Zimbabwe bans unvaccinated civil servants from working in an effort to reduce the spread of COVID-19. (Newsday) COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in Russia Russia surpasses eight million cases of COVID-19 after reporting a record for the fourth consecutive day of 34,325 new cases. (ABC News) COVID-19 pandemic in Spain President of the Government of Aragon Javier Lambán tests positive for COVID-19 after attending the PSOE's three-day party congress in Valencia. (El Mundo) COVID-19 pandemic in Ukraine Ukraine reports a record 538 deaths from COVID-19 in the past 24 hours, bringing the nationwide death toll to 61,348. (DIP) COVID-19 pandemic in Australia COVID-19 pandemic in New South Wales Restrictions are eased further in New South Wales as more than 80% of the adult population are now fully vaccinated against COVID-19. Limits on private gatherings and density caps at businesses are relaxed, and schools begin a phased reopening. (The Guardian) COVID-19 pandemic in Tasmania The lockdown is lifted across southern Tasmania, including the state capital Hobart. The lockdown was initiated because a person with COVID-19 entered the state, but was lifted when no community transmission was reported. (News.com.au) COVID-19 pandemic in the United States The U.S. surpasses 45 million cases of COVID-19. (KIRO-TV) COVID-19 pandemic in Maryland Former U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell dies from COVID-19 at the age of 84 at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center in Bethesda, Maryland. (The New York Times) COVID-19 vaccine Phase three trial results suggest that the Valneva COVID vaccine is effective at priming the immune system to fight COVID-19. (BBC News) International relations Russia announces that it will be suspending its mission to NATO in Brussels as early as November 1, in response to the expulsion of 8 diplomats accused of espionage from the mission earlier this month. The NATO information bureau and military liaison in Moscow will also be terminated. (CNN) Law and crime 2016 Karrada bombing Iraq receives Ghazwan al-Zawbaee, the alleged mastermind of the ISIL suicide truck bombing that killed 340 people in Karrada, Baghdad, in 2016, which was the deadliest single-bomb attack in Iraq. Al-Zawbaee was arrested two days prior through a joint operation in a neighbouring country. (BBC News) 2021 Bangladesh communal violence At least 300 suspected members of a Muslim mob are arrested for the killing of two Hindu men three days ago at a temple in Noakhali, Bangladesh. The violence occured after an alleged Quran desecration at a Hindu temple in Haziganj Upazila. Several Hindu temples were also damaged in the clashes. Four members of the mob were also killed when Bangladesh Police personnel opened fire in Chandpur. (Al Jazeera) 2021 Myanmar protests State Administration Council chairman Min Aung Hlaing announces that his military junta will release a total of 5,636 jailed protesters to commemorate the Thadingyut Festival. (AFP via ABS-CBN News) Three people are killed and three more injured during a police raid at a compound of a religious group in Montego Bay, Jamaica, due to concerns that they were preparing ritual killings. (Reuters) Citing Roe v. Wade, the United States Department of Justice requests the Supreme Court to vacate the mandate of the Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit on allowing the Texas Heartbeat Act to remain in effect, thereby blocking the law. (AFP via RTL) Ecuadorian president Guillermo Lasso declares a nationwide state of emergency, citing an increase in drug-related crime. (AFP via Manila Bulletin) Science and technology Egor Babaev and collaborators with the KTH Royal Institute of Technology publish an experiment showing evidence of a new state of matter called electron quadruplets. (Phys.org) Sports 2022 Winter Olympics torch relay The Olympic torch relay begins in Olympia, Greece, without public attendance. (ANI News)

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(Posted) RD: David Finn

Article: David Finn (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times; PRWeek
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 02:06, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

• Comment First spot check of references turned up problems, now tagged. 'Ography in good shape.130.233.213.141 (talk) 06:42, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
  • I've removed the first part of the sentence in question and added a ref for the second part. —Bloom6132 (talk) 07:24, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support The article seems to be fully sourced, including the bibliography. So, I think it's good enough for a RD.--Kacamata! ^Dimmi!!! 20:38, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support The article is in good shape and well-referenced. Hanamanteo (talk) 02:34, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 06:39, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Edita Gruberová

Article: Edita Gruberová (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Der Spiegel
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Stellar Slovak coloratura soprano who sang leading roles for 50 years, based at the Vienna State Opera. Farewell concerts cancelled due to pandemic. The article was rather well developed, and we are still at it, because she really deserves more, but it looks well sourced as it is. Enjoy. Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:11, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support. Well cited throughout, should be ready. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 10:38, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support. A voice hard to forget. Article looks pretty good. cart-Talk 11:12, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posted --PFHLai (talk) 12:28, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

RD: János Kornai

Article: János Kornai (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): HVG.hu Hungary Today
Credits:

• Nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Hungarian economist. Found this one in Deaths in 2021. Article requires some work including references. However, before we proceed, we should really look for additional news sources confirming death, unless we have a Hungarian editor who can confirm that the HVG.hu site is WP:RS. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 21:55, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose – At a grand total of 46 words, this article seems to have been prematurely nominated. – Sca (talk) 22:28, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  Hi there @Sca: -- did you mean to post this above comment on a different thread? This article has 662 words and is considered by rater.js to be a C class biography. It needs some work in organizing and tidying up, including adding refs for unreferenced sentences. But, definitely has more than 46 words. That said, if there is a Hungarian editor, I would like some additional news sources if available. Good luck. Ktin (talk) 22:31, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  I'm pretty sure he meant to comment on Electron quadruplets which has exactly 48 words. Kacamata! ^Dimmi!!! 01:26, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

  Ooops! Sorry... – Sca (talk) 12:07, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

• Comment If you still need more sources,Hungary Today recently published an English-language articleon his death Scaramouche33 (talk) 10:53, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• There are a few {cn} tags and an orange tag atop for missing citations. Most of the Works section has no footnotes, and the first footnote in that section has a deadlink (only the header of the website gets displayed on my screen). Please add references (and links to working websites).--PFHLai (talk) 15:11, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

(Closed) Electron quadruplets - New state of matter

WP:NAC: regardless of what people think of the significance, this is a two-sentence stub with one reference, which is not WP:IS. There's no point in debating this unless/until there's an actual article to assess. Feel free to re-open if that happens. Modest Genius ^talk 11:01, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

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Article: Electron quadruplets (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​Professor Egor Babaev and collaborators with the KTH Royal Institute of Technology publish an experiment showing evidence of a new state of matter called electron quadruplets. (Post)
News source(s): (Phys.org), (Mirage News),
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Elijahandskip (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: I feel like a new state of matter being discovered is big science news. Article is still a stub, so we might want to hold off on posting for a while, but I think this is 100% ITN worthy once the article is no longer a stub. Elijahandskip (talk) 21:11, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose on Quality Article is two sentences long. However once the article gets expanded I think this is notable enough. Jbvann05 21:27, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose – At a grand total of 46 words, this article seems to have been prematurely nominated. – Sca (talk) 22:28, 18 October 2021
• Oppose as of now, very much a stub. Unsure of notability; there seem to be a lot of weird states.  Nixinova   T   C   22:22, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose as really really early in the discovery process. Yes, it's a peer-reviewed paper in a respected journal, and appears to have replicated experiments elsewhere, but even reading these news reports, they're not sure if these results conclusively give this answer, only that it continues to support this potential theory which has been around for a decade+. --Masem (t) 22:28, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Questions Is it visible? Tangible? Some "thing"? Is the thing in the Phys.org picture the matter? How is that not a solid, if so? InedibleHulk (talk) 00:30, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

  Technically, the new state of matter hasn't been directly observed yet. There was experiments done that show evidence that a new state of matter may exist, but it may not. Elijahandskip (talk) 02:48, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

• Source comment - The two attached sources in the article are press releases from the professor's university that have been re-printed as the outlets haven't written their own pieces yet Bumbubookworm (talk) 01:31, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

  With science stuff it is different. The real information was published to Nature Physics, a big science journal. Also, the professor listed you could consider the "main author" of the research and information, but there is tons of Universities from different countries involved in this. Elijahandskip (talk) 02:48, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality as a single-source stub. I'm always unsure of when the right time to post a science story is, but this seems like something we could post at this point were the target article better. State of matter is currently largely uncited too otherwise I would suggest an update to it, which may still be feasible if someone with a science background is familiar with useful sources for it—I think we're more likely to get an update to that page than to get a main-page worthy article out of the new state in a timely fashion. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 01:53, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per Masem. I could just be ignorant here, so please correct me if I'm mistaken, but my understanding of the situation is that evidence has been found which could suggest that a new state of matter may exist, as opposed to researchers coming to the conclusion that a newly discovered state of matter does in fact exist (or that it most likely exists). I'm worried that posting a blurb about it would imply that the findings are more conclusive than they actually are.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 03:21, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Phys.org churns press releases. No article should ever be written with it as a starting point, let alone run on Wikipedia's main page with the most hyped-up possible description of the result presented as fact. Beyond that, it's not even in the news, having so far only been picked up by the typical press-release aggregators. "ITN" isn't short for "In the clickbait". XOR'easter (talk) 04:21, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality - We could never publish a two lines one source orange-tagged article on the Main Paige.--Kacamata! ^Dimmi!!! 05:19, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose the article isn't necessarily even notable enough to exist, no way it's notable enough for ITN. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:20, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

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(Removed) Ongoing Removal: 2021 Cumbre Vieja volcanic eruption

Article: 2021 Cumbre Vieja volcanic eruption (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: A paragraph was added on Oct 8 to prevent removal and nothing pertinent since then. A few updates about lava flows and some trapped dogs. There was nothing between Oct 1 and Oct 8. There is a List of currently erupting volcanoes and for good reason we do not have every one of them in the ongoing section. Simply put, the article and the story are stale. Per the guidelines "In general, articles are NOT posted to ongoing merely because they are related to events that are still happening.". It is time for this one to come down. I've published an updated content diff if anyone wants to review the changes and highlight any new, pertinent information that I've missed. LaserLegs (talk) 12:58, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support removal Even though the eruption is still going [9] it has lost the necessary interest of type of coverage that needs regular updating as to keep it in ongoing. This is an honest look at the news covering it, and while there's a story or three daily on it, its "yup, it's still going, still causing damage to the same parts of the island and we're still waiting for any big eruption", but otherwise like watching a teapot boil at this point. Should there be an actual destructive event, I can see a new blurb on that. If the eruption peters off, then that's it. --Masem (t) 13:13, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support removal Even more than the sparsity of updates, what convinced me is that all of them are sourced to local Canary Islands news sources, and almost all of them from a single source. In other words, not wide coverage.130.233.213.141 (talk) 13:19, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose removal there are updates as recently as yesterday (17 October), and some updates for almost every day in the last week. This is still ongoing therefore. There is continued coverage in other sources in the last few days: The Times (paywalled), CBS, Sky News. All of these sources could be used to expand it, and demonstrate there is more than just local coverage of the ongoing event. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:28, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
  • The problem is that the event is (literally) slow moving - there's still lava flow and the occasional quake, but the situation is not radically changing quickly as to necessitate updates that would have been ITN on a somewhat daily basis. Ongoing's not great for such slow-moving events either. As I noted, if there's a major event that happens, we can reconsider. --Masem (t) 13:37, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
  • The update on Oct-17 was one sentence about lava slowing and one about rescuing some dogs. Are five stranded dogs pertinent enough to keep a story in ongoing? --LaserLegs (talk) 13:57, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose removal The OP's diff table is huge – over 200K – and so tends to prove the opposite. The intensity seems to be getting stronger, as reported in the news – Lava tsunami; No end in sight; More cancelled flights; Drones deliver food to dogs. And it's not like the space is needed for anything else – we'd just be printing white space otherwise. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:15, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
  • No, it doesn't prove the opposite. There are minor content tweaks but very limited new, pertinent information as stipulated by the criteria Wikipedia:In_the_news#Ongoing_section --LaserLegs (talk) 14:34, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose removal. I'm updating this regularly - am trying for updating it daily. Saying that it was only updated on the 8th and no updates since is clearly incorrect per the article history (compare this with the other 'Ongoing' at the moment, last had a big non-bot edit on the 20th September). There are regular news stories about the progress of the volcano - the one I follow most is Canarian Weekly, so that's what I tend to reference, but there are others I could reference as well (e.g., El Pais has a whole section on its English front page dedicated to the volcano). Suggestions / messages about gaps would be really useful on the article talk page please (as would a notice about this discussion!). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 14:28, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Daily content tweaks are not new, pertinent information as stipulated by the criteria Wikipedia:In_the_news#Ongoing_section. The edit history doesn't reveal content changes, which is why I provided a diff of rendered content per revision. --LaserLegs (talk) 14:36, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
    • I'm not doing 'content tweaks' (fixing typos?), I'm adding updates to the content. There appears to be no definition of what 'pertinent information' means in this context. Mike Peel (talk) 14:40, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
      • Ok then show me the new, pertinent information. I saw one about slowing lava and some stranded dogs. Did I miss one? --LaserLegs (talk) 14:45, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
        • You still haven't defined 'pertinent'. But the current status is that a second lava flow will start going into the sea shortly (it's <200m away; nearby people have been restricted to their houses to protect them from the gasses - waiting for this to happen before this gets included); the town of La Laguna is at risk of going the same way as Todoque (football stadium and a supermarket already gone - mentioned in the article); and there have been the biggest earthquakes in the area recorded since the volcano erupted (up to 4.6 - in the article already). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 14:58, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support removal all the time people are reminding us that this is still "in the news" and posting links, but I'm not seeing any real encyclopedic content being added. Sure, the date formats have been tweaked and I think one sentence was added today by Mike Peel, but neither the "number of edits" nor the size of the diff table give any indication as to the quality of the updates being made. This is so boring to explain ITNR each and every time, and this one in particular. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 14:54, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
  • I'll just reply by saying "Don't let anyone bully you away from contributing whatever you like, however you want. Stay strong and don't be dissuaded." Will do my best to do that, despite how all the ITNR discussions seem to be surprisingly stressful. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 15:00, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
    • That completely misses the point, and fair play, you added a sentence, and that was literally the highlight. Anyone can edit anything in any constructive fashion, yes, but unless it's maintaining a series of high quality, ongoing edits to an item listed in Ongoing, that item isn't meeting the requirements for Ongoing any longer. Don't make it about you, it's not. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 15:04, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
      • A sentence today (so far), two sentences yesterday, a sentence the day before .... Mike Peel (talk) 15:07, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
        • Like I said, your contributions are the highlight. As Laserlegs enquires though, are we keeping an article on the main page because of five stranded dogs? Is that really the mission of the encyclopedia? The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 15:10, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
          • See my reply to them, just above, giving three key developments that have either happened since the last discussion, or are pending. Note that none of them were about dogs. Mike Peel (talk) 15:16, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
            • "key" developments? Ok. My !vote stands. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 15:17, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
            • Those additions/stories are part of this being a very "slow-moving" (in both literal and theoretical sense) news story. There is a slow-rising but small uptick in continued damage to the island but unless a sudden eruption/quake happens, no one's lives are at danger at this point, and everyone is just waiting either for it to peter off or for the cautioned "big" event, which if that happened, would certainly create a flurry of news. Keeping something that is just having this trickle of news in ongoing is not helpful because it is meant for stories where we'd likely to have otherwise have blurbs on a near-daily basis. --Masem (t) 15:22, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Remove While there are some small updates being made from time to time, the article is no longer up to quality (all new additions are a WP:PROSELINE mess) and major news sources are no longer featuring this prominently. --Jayron32 16:50, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  Quality can definitely been improved (it's been interesting to see the flurry of edits by other editors today). Whether major news sources cover it likely depends on which country you are in and what language they use, sadly. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:31, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Question When was the last time something happened that is more significant than the non-posted List of currently erupting volcanoes? GreatCaesarsGhost 17:57, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  I've taken this one to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of currently erupting volcanoes due to serious structural problems. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:31, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Remove: Volcanoes can easily go on erupting for months, doing little bits of damage here and there. That doesn't make them front-page news. Perhaps editors have enjoyed seeing lava fall into swimming-pools or something entertainingly tweetworthy. That doesn't justify being on the front page either. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:53, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  That makes them ongoing events. Your sarcasm isn't appreciated. Mike Peel (talk) 19:31, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  The point of the ongoing line is to displace the need to have blurbs on the same event over and over again (eg like Olympic or World Cup results). That means there needs to be events that are blurb-worthy to be happening in the event, which the ongoing eruption is not generating. --Masem (t) 19:33, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  This doesn't align with what Ongoing is all about. Otherwise we should 2021–22 Premier League on there, right? It's "in the news" around the world and is an ongoing event, albeit with relatively trivial events (watched nonetheless by millions across the globe), sounds like we need that here right now. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:37, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  Fair enough, this is turning into a debate about what 'Ongoing' is fundamentally about - I think we should be doing much more there, but that's a topic for another venue. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:52, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  Mike Peel indeed. Ongoing is an oddball at the moment, oft-misunderstood from its initial instantiation. By all means, and I mean this, please make proposal(s) at WT:ITN on how to improve the way it "works"? And thanks for your efforts on this article, I feel I may not have been clear that your contributions really stood out amongst the hundreds of tweaks. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 20:49, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose per Mike Peel's commendable effort. Others too... 108.46.31.187 (talk) 21:44, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support removal -- trivial and no longer generating sufficiently noteworthy coverage to remain in Ongoing. -- Rockstone^{[Send me a message!]} 23:08, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support removal. This isn't to say nothing is currently happening or that there isn't a steady flow of updates, but merely that the ongoing updates are not at the level where, in isolation, they might warrant their own blurb, and as I understand it that's what the ongoing ticker is meant to represent. It's not one blurb-worthy event strung along for as long as it's happening (or surely we'd still have the last US election up there for how long it's still being contested), but one listing for a series of what might otherwise be blurb-worthy posts (the covid pandemic is a good example of this--we could have a blurb for every new case/death milestone, or new vaccine, or new variant detected, etc, but we collapse them all down into one ongoing listing). And since the current state of this event is no longer at the point where a day's events would be independently worthy of listing, I can't support it remaining as an ongoing item. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 23:19, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose removal, as updates are ongoing to the article, and Mike Peel is doing good work on it.Jackattack1597 (talk) 00:26, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment Andrew has been showing persistent signs of WP:OWN about including this on ITN. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.8.114.34 (talk) 02:02, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support removal Should have never been added. Lots of things that get blurbs have "ongoing" impacts, doesn't mean we keep them posted forever. GreatCaesarsGhost 02:29, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support removal per Jayron and Grapple X. The is the fundamental problem with the ongoing section; this should have been posted as an item and allowed to age off, rather than being directly posted to Ongoing.. Spencer^T•C 03:08, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Remove. Not much is happening, media interest has passed. Yes the eruption hasn't stopped, but ongoing impact is low. Modest Genius ^talk 11:04, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Remove – From what we've see it appears this eruption could go on for a very long time without great change. If something really significant happened we could consider it then. – Sca (talk) 12:15, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Remove - The article was never really at an acceptable level and hasn't gotten better since it was put in ongoing. Key problems are that it is almost all a proseline and that it lacks an effective explanation of either the geographic or geologic setting of the eruption. I keep meaning to fix these deficits, but I have been saying "I'll fix it tonight" for 2 weeks and haven't done anything. Rockphed (talk) 12:59, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Removed from ongoing. --Tone 19:52, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

(Posted to RD) RD: Colin Powell

Article: Colin Powell (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​Former U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell (pictured) dies at age 84. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, AP, AP, BBC, LA Times, DW, NYT
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Vacant0 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Former US secretary of state Vacant0 (talk) 12:11, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support, possibly blurbworthy as he was the first African-American to be Secretary of State. Mjroots (talk) 12:21, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose till the missing citations show up, no blurb. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:26, 18 October 2021 (UTC) Good to go, RD with official state portraiture. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:54, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose quite a bit uncited. GreatCaesarsGhost 12:30, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment. I've got rid of one of the "Citation needed" tags; at most that section was synth, but I don't believe even that section applies. The other I've been able to find nothing and suspect it might be OR. I also note that there are other lines that should probably be tagged with "Citation needed", though most of those are for relatively minor matters with no major impact on the article. BilledMammal (talk) 12:38, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment His wikibio can be improved. In any case, if he has to have a blurb it’s for his career, especially for leading international policy and global diplomacy during the Iraq invasion, not for being "the first...". _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 12:40, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose for now: Article needs some small improvements. Otherwise it looks OK overall. However I do not believe this article is blurb quality, but it does look suitable for RD once the issues are fixed. ColinBear (talk - contributions) 12:43, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support RD on necessary improvements but oppose blurb He's a household name in the US associated with the events of the Middle East but reading through, outside being the first African-American SoS, whether his role was that impactful. Visible, yes. --Masem (t) 12:48, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Dates of ranks and Awards and decorations need sourcing.130.233.213.141 (talk) 13:28, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb Although former POTUSes get autoblurbed, I don't know if the same is true of other cabinet members.  – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 14:01, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb. He was not a world transformative figure, even if he had a role in significant events. If this were USApedia, he would get a blurb, but it's not. 331dot (talk) 14:12, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support blurb – pending improvements to article. Arguably 'transformative' as the first Afro-American secretary of State, i.e. the No. 1 U.S. diplomat, and a Cabinet member. His tenure is in recent memory. Held several other high positions in the U.S. government and military, and was widely known abroad. Very widely covered by RS sites, i.e. 'in the news.' A household name to many. Pics. avail. – Sca (talk) 14:35, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  He was forced to resign after helping start a war he failed to prevent, hardly a top diplomat, despite the title. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:46, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  This not about our opinions of his career, it's about significance of his role and news coverage of his death. – Sca (talk) 15:08, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  That's not my opinion. Plenty of obits recall the facts behind his sacking. So does his article. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:20, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  It's not about the character or outcome of his decisions, it's about his influence and the notability of the positions he held – over an extended period. – Sca (talk) 15:24, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  Influence and position are all about outcome. He died a man "whose sterling reputation was forever stained when he went before the United Nations to justify an invasion of Iraq", per the AP lead. Forever includes the past 18 years and today. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:36, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  Very prominently in the news. Influential person in recent history. Nuff said. – Sca (talk) 15:43, 18 October 2021 (UTC).

  The invasion of Iraq is one of the most significant events of the 21st century so wouldn't his role make him more ITN-worthy? Scaramouche33 (talk) 16:56, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  It could (pending an altblurb about a general) be a point for blurbing. But it still disqualifies him from the top tiers of diplomacy, which is all I'm arguing here. My "no blurb" from above is based on "old man dies" and "not the president" points. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:02, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb. I find it hard to believe we'd post a blurb for a cabinet member of any other state. I'm not a fan of the supposed "Thatcher/Mandela" standard for blurbs but even relaxing the bar, Powell's highest office was, if I'm not mistaken, fifth from the "top" as far as seniority goes within his own nation. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 14:43, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb Not a head of state, not a head of government. Just one of many members of the government executive branch. Chrisclear (talk) 14:53, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose RD - Plenty of uncited text. 2601:143:8000:A7E0:F92E:2FB6:5A95:404D (talk) 15:05, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment I'm a bit split on this one. He's definitely a highly influential figure in recent history and played a major role in forming Bush Jr's foreign policy, but personally I don't think he's at Kissinger's level. In Herring's book on the history of US foreign relations, Powell is mentioned twenty times. For comparison Kissinger is mentioned in over a hundred paragraphs and there's a separate chapter on him and Nixon. So it depends on how high the bar is Scaramouche33 (talk) 15:14, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  Wait... Henry Kissenger is still alive? Wow. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:06, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  That feeling when you outlive 4 secretaries of state that came after you Scaramouche33 (talk) 04:49, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support only when missing citations are fixed. It's ridiculous to me that people don't believe the first black United States Secretary of State is notable enough. Trillfendi (talk) 15:17, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support blurb Maybe I'm being a bit US-centric (not that there's anything wrong with that), but he's been a notable figure for over 30 years, and was closely involved with both Iraq Wars. His notability in the first Gulf War was in a league only otherwise occupied by George H. W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Norman Schwarzkopf. If it weren't for his personal preferences, he likely could have run for--and won--the Presidency in 1996 or 2000. And it was partly due to his influence, clout and respectability that there even was a Second Gulf War. His notability is probably most comparable to Henry Kissinger, in terms of being blurb-worthy--if you would oppose Colin Powell, then you should oppose Henry Kissinger on the same grounds.Ryan Reeder (talk) 15:19, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  Kissinger was awarded a Nobel Peace Prize, suggesting a higher level of world influence. 331dot (talk) 15:28, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  That was basically window dressing to placate the U.S. for losing the Vietnam War. – Sca (talk) 15:36, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  I definitely would support Kissinger, but I'm still on the fence with Powell. Starting to tilt towards support though. Right now,it might complicate things if we start comparing this nomination to a hypothetical future one Scaramouche33 (talk) 15:29, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support He was highly influential in American Politics for quite some time, first African-American Secretary of State, Chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, held numerous other positions, and was a major leader for both of the invasions of Iraq. Wandavianempire (talk) 15:34, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  Considered as presidential candidate in '92. – Sca (talk) 15:47, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  In other words they are a person who didn't do something that wouldn't have made them notable enough for a blurb had they done it. Thryduulf (talk) 15:58, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb. Old man dies is the story, that's what RD was made for. He wasn't a world leader, he wasn't transformative in his field, his death isn't going to change anything. Thryduulf (talk) 15:46, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb Not quite up to the level. I don't know of many US political figures outside of Presidents who would have a blurb. Kissinger yes, but I think Powell then falls short. Rhino131 (talk) 15:47, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb we've not posted head of states who die of old age, so why should we post someone who is less notable on the world stage? No evidence that his death is ITN-worthy importance. Also, oppose RD for now, as there's too much unsourced content. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:50, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose for now Article needs some ref work before posting. I would support a blurb when article is up to scratch. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:45, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose for now due to some quality issues in the article (already noted above). When it is ready, I would support RD only because neither the manner of his death, nor the reactions to it, need any further explanation that a blurb would afford. --Jayron32 16:48, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose RD for now per aforementioned quality issues, neutral on blurb. We will certainly point to this discussion if Henry Kissinger ever dies for precedent. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 16:54, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support blurb I find it fascinating how US-based editors in an effort to internationalize things oppose a nomination for clearly notable candidates. Same thing happened recently with Rumsfeld. Both are incredibly well known globally thanks to their involvement in the Iraq war, including some very strong opinions from older generations. Ironically Ruth Bader Ginsburg got the top blurb and picture after her death, and she is a lot more obscure outside of the US. Prominent Cabinet Members and CJCS should really get a blurb by default, these discussions are ridiculous. Meanwhile actors from the 40s and C-list athletes with borderline stubs constantly fill RD with no problems. Especially when some here cite "quality issues" even for RD, as if articles likeEnamul Haque (actor) were anything beyond average. jonas (talk) 17:01, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  First, the picture is not a thing - MP admins like to cycle the picture anytime they can to keep the page fresh. Second, US (and UK) editors should recognize the inherent bias in thinking stories/people from their homelands are more important, while the anti-bias forces should understand that they actually *are* more important in world culture due to western influence. It's a balancing act, but sacrificing mid-level political appointees seems a modest price to pay. GreatCaesarsGhost 17:54, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb - He is not in the same league of other politicians whom we have blurbed.--WaltCip-(talk) 17:25, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  Such as David Amess? – Sca (talk) 19:18, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  In fairness, Amess is only blurable because of how he died. -- Rockstone^{[Send me a message!]} 21:27, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb, support RD upon citation issues being resolved Powell is not a former head of state nor is his manner of death exceptionally newsworthy, albeit there would be worldwide reaction given his roles both in the Persian Gulf War and his tenure as Secretary of State. A RD mention is more than adequate, however. rawmustard (talk) 18:04, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support RD, oppose blurb. According to a documentary I saw, "can you name the Secretary of State" was a question asked during Navy SEAL training around that time. Connor Behan (talk) 18:36, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support RD regardless of article issues since he was an influential military figure. Neutral on blurb for now. Interstellarity (talk) 19:19, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support RD, Powell was one of the most influential American leaders of the 1990s/2000s; again, far more obscure people get RDs all the time without issue. Article issues shouldn't bear on this. Neutral on blurb, not quite sure if he merits it but I can see the case. The Kip (talk) 19:32, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support blurb Article in reasonable shape. Well-known global figure. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:06, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment: When there are 10+ {cn} tags in the article, it should not be on ITN -- Neither blurb nor RD. --PFHLai (talk) 21:17, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  I disagree. I think we should put importance and significance of a person above the quality of the article. For example, when Elizabeth II dies, she will most certainly get a blurb since she played an instrumental role in shaping the UK and the British monarchy. We can always fix the article while it is posted. I see nothing wrong with posting as a blurb or RD if an article needs more work. Interstellarity (talk) 12:51, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb Support RD once CN issues are resolved, of course, but it's hard to justify blurbing him. If we are to blurb a politician's passing, they should meet at least one of these criteria: that they were a head of state, or that their death itself was a notable event (as is the case with Sir David Amess), or that they were otherwise one of the most well-known figures of the time and notable for other reasons. I feel like there'd be a better case for blurbing Kissinger whenever he passes, and even that'd probably take a lot of discussion to reach a consensus.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 21:36, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb, support RD due to lack of recognition of Colin Powell outside being only senator and secretary, unlike the Queen of England, where her's death will be posted as blurb. 180.254.171.143 (talk) 23:40, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment: Powell was not a member of the U.S. Senate. KConWiki (talk) 01:52, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support blurb, Highly influential figure in american history during the early 21st century. KommanderChicken (talk) 00:12, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support RD pbp 01:27, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support RD (only) – Wasn't really a world statesman. STSC (talk) 02:49, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support blurb ONCE sourcing is fixed. It's very funny how all these US editors are trying to internationalize ITN/RD. I mean, c'mon now. KingOfAllThings ^{(thou shalt chatter!)} 03:01, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support blurb. Standing up in front of the United Nations and reciting a list of falsehoods makes him 'transformative'. He had a keey role in starting a major war. He more than anyoe else was the public face of the invasion of Iraq. Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 04:19, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support blurb. But now no longer news (in the 24-hour news cycle world). CoatCheck (talk) 04:38, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb I'm surprised this is even in contention. Do not post anything other than the death of a head of state or government. Banedon (talk) 05:41, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Though I oppose a blurb as well, that is just plainly wrong and against current consensus. We are not limiting ourselves to head of state or government even in the political space when it comes to posting blurbs. See the posting of Ruth Bader Ginsburg. WaltCip-(talk) 11:19, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

    That should not have been posted either. Banedon (talk) 14:27, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

    Then how about Sean Connery, Diego Maradona, Hank Aaron, or Prince Philip? Mlb96 (talk) 01:35, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support RD - just a few sources that needs to be added before posting. The article is nowhere near ready for a Blurb however. BabbaQ (talk) 06:38, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose RD there is no difference in standard between RD and blurb-level BLPs, and this one clearly doesn't yet meet it. Also oppose a blurb in principle, for the reasons given above.  — Amakuru (talk) 07:08, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb US Secretary of State is not the power-holder in the country, he served his term 16 years ago with nothing that really makes him more important than the other holders of that office, and the cause of his death is not an assassination or an accident that would make it notable. That being said, he doesn't qualify for a blurb.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:30, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support RD not blurb this would be better off as an RD nomination then a ITN item. TootsieRollsAddict (talk to me pls I am lonely) 11:18, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Blurb Although he was notable, his death is not notable enough to warrant a blurb and can be simply described in his article. Perfecnot (talk) 14:02, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support RD Just a few citations added and it's good to go. Whether it's significant enough for a blurb is up to debate, but I'm leaning Support blurb. Heythereimaguy (talk) 14:38, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

  Note that it's still a long way off even RD standard. 16 citation-needed tags currently.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:38, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support Blurb He was a significant US figure, and was the first ever African-American Secretary of State. ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 17:30, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment – Although the blurb option was my post, it's evident at this pt. that RD is the consensus. Marked needs attn. – Sca (talk) 19:22, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

  There are 15 CN tags, and plenty of editors expressing concern about quality still. There is no consensus for blurb, but no consensus for RD either. As I've said previously, we need a way to more clearly state opposition of a blurb that is not read as support for RD. GreatCaesarsGhost 19:36, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

• RD is the consensus, but there are stil cn tags. Not posting until fixed. --Tone 19:43, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• No more {{Citation needed}} tags. A great team effort. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 23:58, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support RD. In two minds about blurb, but the article is ready. Moscow Mule (talk) 00:10, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support RD Referencing issues resolved. Pawnkingthree (talk) 00:27, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support blurb Article is now ready. Major involvement in starting and overseeing one of the deadliest wars this century so far. Highly visible, international role including that presentation of lies at the UN. Abundant RS coverage of his death. Also the first African-American secretary of state. I would alternatively support image RD since Amess has been up there awhile and Powell is widely recognizable. Davey2116 (talk) 02:59, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

  You realize there's no war, lies or black history in the blurb, right? It says a former US secretary of state died (of apparently nothing), aged 84. If you expect people to click inside for SHOCKING details on a big name, they can learn for themselves the same way via an IMG-RD post. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:45, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support RD Article now looks good for RD JW 1961 ^Talk 08:16, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Add to RD line. Quite a miss now. Don't see why a substandard article can prevent this name-listing. -DePiep (talk) 08:20, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. --Tone 08:37, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Bandula Warnapura

Article: Bandula Warnapura (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Papare
Credits:

• Nominated by Lugnuts (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Abishe (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: First captain of Sri Lanka's Test cricket team. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 08:44, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support. Referenced throughout, no tags for concern. Seems ready. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 11:47, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posted. Thryduulf (talk) 13:12, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

(Closed) The International 2021

The discussion is long enough to conclude that there is no consensus to post.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:10, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: The International 2021 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​In Dota 2 Esports, Team Spirit wins the 10th International taking home $18,208,300, the largest prize in esports history. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​In Esports, Team Spirit wins the 10th International defeating PSG.LGD in the finals.
Alternative blurb II: ​In Esports, Team Spirit wins the 10th International defeating Paris Saint Germain LGD in the finals.
Alternative blurb III: ​In Esports, Russian Team Spirit wins the 10th International defeating Chinese PSG.LGD in the finals.
News source(s): MSN Yahoo GMA
Credits:

• Nominated by Daikido (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: The article is in a great shape. It's high time we start posting major e-sports (at least the International) to ITN. Especially when half the sport postings right now consider sports such as Cricket and whatnot that have infinately smaller followings world wide than championships like the International with it's tens of millions of concurrent viewers --Daikido (talk) 08:36, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose WP:ROUTINE as yearly event in a niche area. We do not post winners of the National Lottery or Love Island either despite its huge participation and following.Abcmaxx (talk) 09:06, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose this event is not covered in many mainstream sources, and so is not important enough for ITN, as it's way too niche. And the nominator is wrong about half the sport postings right now consider sports such as Cricket and whatnot that have infinately smaller followings world wide than championships like the International, as the IPL, which is on front page now, had 380 million viewers this year [10]. Although WP:OSE applies anyway, we should focus on this article, which isn't ITN-worthy. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:25, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  >this event is not covered in many mainstream sources ; Neither are cricket, or whatever pollo, or even less popular sports that get posted yearly. And way fewer people care about those than about the international Daikido (talk) 09:42, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  Comment Truly terrible comparison. Cricket is a 200 year old sport and is definitely well covered in all mainstream news outlets in places that play this sport. Gaming, whilst popular, is still struggling to be even recognised as a sport. Lots of people care about Strictly Come Dancing and Great British Bake Off, we still do not post the winners of those "sporting" competitions. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:49, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  (ec) Cricket is in the mainstream news where it is popular. Cricket is popular in India and Pakistan, where over 1/7 of the population of this planet lives. No sources have been offered indicating this is in the mainstream news anywhere. 331dot (talk) 09:51, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  "Cricket is not covered in mainstream sources": wrong. [11], [12], [13] from a 30 second check. The International in the other hand is a competition that most people have never heard of. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:55, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose. (ec) No sources offered indicating this is in the news. 331dot (talk) 09:51, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. Had a look to try finding mainstream sources but nothing's showing up other than dedicated gaming sources, many of which would not meet WP:RS. Is that perhaps a journalistic problem, that they aren't covering something with "tens of millions of concurrent viewers"? Probably. But it's also indicative of this not being something we're able to post either at this point. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 10:34, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support Hold up for a second. This is a new article of good quality, which is job #1. It is being covered extensively in a large number of reliable sources. Lots of editors seeking "mainstream coverage" which is not an agreed upon standard here - go find mainstream coverage for the Cape Verde election where sure to post soon. Also the pageview count is comparable with IPL - people are looking for this. Clearly the nominator triggered a bunch of you with a really bad argument, but the is not about them. Consider the nominated article. GreatCaesarsGhost 11:54, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  Please offer some of these sources. 331dot (talk) 11:56, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  My question as a reader is, the international what? – Sca (talk) 12:04, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  And why does a developer-sponsored tournament for one of their own games, clearly to promote the game, merit this attention? Why this game? 331dot (talk) 12:07, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  We are not here to decide what merits attention. We follow RS. GreatCaesarsGhost 12:21, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  If that were true, we would have posted Shatner, which was actually in mainstream news. This tournament is just one expensive advertisement for their game. 331dot (talk) 13:01, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  In addition to the three mainstream sources above, here are additional sources that have been evaluated positively at WP:RSN: [14] [15] [16] GreatCaesarsGhost 12:21, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose. Computer gaming is a major cultural pastime which ITN under-represents (mind you, so is television). However e-sports are a minority pursuit within gaming and this particular tournament has received coverage only in specialist gaming outlets (IGN, PCGamer etc.) and does not appear to have been broadcast on any mainstream television channels. That's not enough to merit an ITN blurb. Valve streaming people playing their own game is good marketing, not a genuine sport. In addition, the article is mostly results tables, with no prose on the actual play or outcome. The comparison with cricket is laughable - that sport has over a billion active fans and 300 million current players [17]. e-sports are nowhere near that level. Modest Genius ^talk 12:11, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  Are we really all on here seriously suggesting that all of e-sports in 2021 is a niche interest? That one of it's biggest events, following by millions around the world, is a sales promotion of the game's corporate owner? GreatCaesarsGhost 12:27, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  Yes, I am suggesting both of those things. Modest Genius ^talk 11:20, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

  Esports are far from niche, given it is a >$1B market within a $200B market of video games. Esports are more likely to use streaming media than broadcast, so that should not be the factor here. The International has been reported on by mainstream news in the past, but this year, being the first back as a live event after COVID (and even then, limited due to venue changes and a limited live audience due to COVID restrictions) it has not be noted yet by any major sources, and in fact I was waiting myself for some before nominating (the ones given aren't the ones I'd have used). So would tend to agree that right it fails the normal "in the news" test for this specific event, but calling esports "minor" greatly misrepresents their role relative to video games when it comes to what would be an ITN aspect. --Masem (t) 12:44, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  The global market for cable cars is >$3 billion, soap is >$30 billion, and yoga is $90 billion. That doesn't mean we should be posting them in ITN. Your explanation for the lack of media interest is just special pleading. Modest Genius ^talk 11:20, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

  I'm not pleading about this being posting, I am opposing it still since there's no mainstream coverage of the event still as of today. But I do oppose calling it a niche sport considering some of the other athletic ITNRs we post. --Masem (t) 14:21, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

  I think a discussion of an update to WP:ROUTINE is in order - though there will be the question of which ones are notable: Overwatch World Cup? League of Legends World Championship? Pokémon World Tournament? etc. Plus, most Esports by design of the games don’t last more than a decade or so - at least none of note yet. Regarding media coverage, I’d say the more famous events are more covered than the less covered ITNR ones like The Boat Race or America's Cup. Juxlos (talk) 12:51, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  I've been arguing for years that the Boat Race should be removed. Modest Genius ^talk 11:20, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

  I think I actually opened a discussion around a year or so ago about which possible video game esports would be potential ITN topics. The International would definitely be one of them, but there absolutely has to be non-specialized coverage. Mainstream sources have covered The International before, so that's my expectation here. --Masem (t) 13:06, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose - E-sports in its current form will never get posted to ITN.--WaltCip-(talk) 12:43, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  This event was actually posted in 2016 and 2017. Can't link the archives because of the [] issue, but they're in the August 2016 and August 2017 sections. Banedon (talk) 13:52, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  We also blurbed the death of Carrie Fisher in that time, so the bar has certainly risen.  – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 17:44, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose – Largely absent from RS main sites. Lacks general significance. – Sca (talk) 13:14, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Purely due to no prose Results. To answer above concerns: there's no less than 6 RSs covering this, including very widely-read ones like MSN and Yahoo. I would like a genuine answer as to why these are not considered RSs, or why they are considered "specialized". There's a double superlative here: largest prize ever for an E-sport tournament and largest prize pool ever. I think that's enough to justify notability ex-ITNR. Asking why the developer is hosting a tournament is just silly. Who organizes FIFA? A group of disinterested parties?130.233.213.141 (talk) 13:44, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  I think the more apt comparison would be if the World Cup was organised by Adidas to advertise the Telstar 18; as for "not RS", I was referring to searching for broad coverage, which brings up Wikipedia, "Liquipedia", and Dota 2's homepage before any news sources. I have no issue with Yahoo but it was absent at the time. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 13:53, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Wait untill we see coverage in more news outlets. BBC, CNN, Euronews, Al-Jazeera, South China Morning Post seem to be completely silent on the topic Scaramouche33 (talk) 13:59, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose - Even as someone who plays video games, I cringe a bit when people try and put them up at the level of other sports, but the reality being Esports certainly can reach a level of notability that rivals other sports. The reason that nominations for ITN as far as Esports goes simply aren't up to snuff is kinda similar to some of the combat sports where you have to factor in the significance of every event. For example, if there was a single annual tournament recognizes as THE title event for a wide range of competitive games then that would certainly be worthy of ITN, but does Dota 2 Esports alone have enough significance? No, so that's my vote (and I would hope this sort of policy becomes precedent at some point) DarkSide830 (talk) 15:41, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose E-Sports is nowhere near the level of most actual sports and hasn't been covered in widespread media nearly enough. As an aside, cricket is regarded by many as the second most popular sport in the world and the last World Cup had 2.6 billion viewers and 8 million watched the final just from the UK. Terrible comparison. Jbvann05 16:48, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose 15000 page views per day isn't enough to make the "page views" argument. A better topic for DYK. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 16:52, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Weak Support I do agree with the idea that it's about time we start including some e-sports. E-sports are sports, and we have no problem posting sports to ITN. E-sports have large audiences, large revenues, and large purses. In some countries (Korea) e-sports attract a bigger audience than some sports on ITN/R. The only thing we're really lacking is an objective way to evaluate e-sports to determine which ones are ready to join the list of sports on ITN/R and which ones are not yet there. I don't have a solution for that, but hopefully someone else does. In terms of this specific blurb, however, the biggest purse in e-sports history pushes this into weak support territory for me, since purse size is one potential objective indicator of significance; but I'm open to hearing arguments either way. NorthernFalcon (talk) 18:16, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  I'm not convinced esports are a sport, but whatever they are called, there is no objective event held to determine who is the best- these events are usually held by gamemakers as promotional events for their individual games. 331dot (talk) 11:23, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose – Absent from main RS sites. Significance not apparent. Suggest close. – Sca (talk) 14:12, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

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(Closed) Earthshot Prize

No consensus to post. --Tone 16:55, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

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Article: Earthshot Prize (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​The country of Costa Rica is among the winners of the first ever Earthshot Prizes. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, NYTimes
Credits:

• Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Keivan.f (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Article is updated. Sherenk1 (talk) 05:26, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• My comment is only to question how major are these awards compared to the dozens of other environmental awards that are out there (it has news coverage, it has an updated article). I mean, each winner getting GBP 1 million is nothing to sneeze at, certainly, but given this is by a charity rather than, say, the UN, and doesn't have the test of time like the Nobels, I just have a bit of concern on how these are more significant than any other. --Masem (t) 05:37, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  Yeah, a new award in its first year is difficult to assess the significance of. They've got some celebrity involvement, certainly, but is that it? Do actual conservation scientists consider this the top award in their field? Modest Genius ^talk 12:16, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose More work is needed. For example, there's a simple grammatical error in the proposed blurb – are/is. And there's much more. In the case of the Nobel prizes, we expect to have articles about the winners and it's embarassing when we don't. But none of the winning schemes seem to have articles – there are no links in each category. Having links for the various celebrities and sponsors is not enough. For example, consider the case of Costa Rica. We have an article Deforestation in Costa Rica but there was no article about Reforestation in Costa Rica until I started one just now and that's still just a stub. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:04, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose – Not a notable project (with Shakira as one of the judges?) STSC (talk) 06:27, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  She's "offset" by David Attenborough, though, as far as eminence goes. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:59, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Comment – Largely absent from RS main sites. – Sca (talk) 12:06, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Eh? Name one. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:46, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
    • Whatever else anyone thinks about this, I think the BBC and NY Times are pretty mainstream. 331dot (talk) 13:48, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

      Absent from main pages of AP, NYT. - Sca (talk) 15:55, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

      On a 2 minute search, I've found BBC, Guardian, The Times (paywalled)], Euronews, Independent, Sky News. All of which are mainstream coverage of the event, and not all just copies of each other's articles (as sometimes happens for events). Joseph2302 (talk) 13:51, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

      Generally speaking, if you have to search for a topic to find it in the news, it's not major news. – Sca (talk) 15:59, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

      The "traditional" wire services (Reuters, AP, AFP) are also doing their thing. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:23, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose Prince William donates money and issues a press release. This is a grant named as a prize. Nothing here. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 16:50, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  According to the article, it's not his money, but funded by philanthropists and other charities. Modest Genius ^talk 16:48, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose less notable than the Esports prize which may or may not be newsworthy.  – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 17:46, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose -- this blurb really should explain *what* this prize is. -- Rockstone^{[Send me a message!]} 21:34, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

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RD: Sean Wainui

Article: Sean Wainui (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Stuff
Credits:

• Nominated by Nixinova (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Penguinmeadow (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: NZ rugby player. Start class, mostly referenced.  Nixinova   T   C   02:47, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Comment added BBC Sport article and referenced some bits using it. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:03, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support I see no reason to oppose Abcmaxx (talk) 09:02, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support - looks good to go.BabbaQ (talk) 09:51, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Opoose A couple of tagged unsources sentences.—Bagumba (talk) 11:42, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose too much unsourced, important content. Like source for how many appearances for NZ U20. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:48, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• There is one {cn} tag left -- need to confirm the number of appearances in the U20. Otherwise, this wikibio is long enough and has enough footnotes to be READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 13:17, 23 October 2021 (UTC) Please consider trimming off that half sentence not supported by references. (Adding a footnote would be better, if possible.) --PFHLai (talk) 15:15, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

October 17

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RD: Ernie Ross

Article: Ernie Ross (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News; The Herald; The Times
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 12:25, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

• Long enough and has footnotes at expected spots across the prose, this wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 13:00, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Brendan Kennelly

Article: Brendan Kennelly (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News; The Irish Times; Irish Independent
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 23:35, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support - Fully sourced. Ready to go.--Kacamata! ^Dimmi!!! 00:34, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posted --PFHLai (talk) 01:42, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

2020 Thomas & Uber Cup

Article: 2020 Thomas & Uber Cup (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​In badminton, Indonesia and China respectively win the Thomas & Uber Cup in Aarhus, Denmark. (Post)
News source(s): [18]
Credits:

• Nominated by Juxlos (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 Juxlos (talk) 12:58, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Comment needs some sort of summary of the tournaments. Right now, for the tournament itself, we only have tables and knockout brackets, but this is insufficient article quality for an ITN posting. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:07, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Virtually the entire article is cited to primary sources (BWF and regional bodies) or something called "tournament software" which does not have any indication of being a reliable, independent source. GreatCaesarsGhost 02:22, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Not ready. There is no prose at all on what happened at the tournament. There needs to be at least one fully-referenced paragraph describing the event, who won etc. We never post articles that are just results tables. Modest Genius ^talk 13:01, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Two days later, still no prose. Modest Genius ^talk 12:36, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Two more days later, no changes. --PFHLai (talk) 14:19, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) 2021 Cape Verdean presidential election

Article: 2021 Cape Verdean presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​PAICV candidate José Maria Neves is elected President of Cape Verde. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by Kacamata (talk · give credit)
• Created by JPxG (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: With 97% of the of votes counted, it's almost sure that Neves will be elected. Kacamata! ^Dimmi!!! 22:14, 17 October 2021 (UTC) PS: Several Portuguese media outlets (see here, here) are reporting Neves as the winner.--Kacamata! ^Dimmi!!! 00:08, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support Change of head of state, ITN/R This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 00:46, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support; changes to a countries head of state tend to be sufficiently notable for ITN. BilledMammal (talk) 00:48, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• The article is short and needs at least some prose in the results section, as well as reactions. Then, it is ITNR, so it can be posted when meeting the standards. --Tone 07:46, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Also, José Maria Neves needs more citations. Joofjoof (talk) 09:32, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support pending improvements - Notability is a given and doesn't need to be discussed; the article isn't in a horrible state, but it is a little too slim to be ready. It could benefit from more text in the campaign subsection.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 03:03, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

  Article improvements are much appreciated; striking condition from !vote  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 21:10, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support per others. Heythereimaguy (talk) 23:05, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment - Tone and Vanilla Wizard I added some info on the results and aftermath section. I don't use to write many election articles, but I've tried my best.--Kacamata! ^Dimmi!!! 01:47, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posting. Still very short but the basics are there. --Tone 08:38, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

  Hey, could someone give me the "credits". Thanks. Kacamata! ^Dimmi!!! 20:39, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

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