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Harvey Weinstein American former film producer Harvey Weinstein (pictured) is convicted of two felony sex crimes. Shootings in Hanau, Germany, leave eleven people dead and five others wounded. The Irish general election concludes with no party holding a majority of seats in Dáil Éireann. South Korean film Parasite wins four Academy Awards, including Best Picture and Best Director for Bong Joon-ho. Ongoing: Coronavirus outbreak Recent deaths: Katherine Johnson June Dally-Watkins Thích Quảng Độ B. Smith Mike Hughes Hisashi Katsuta view - page history - related changes - edit

How to nominate an item In order to suggest a candidate: Update an article to be linked to from the blurb to include the recent developments, or find an article that has already been updated. Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated) in UTC. Do not add sections for new dates. These are automatically generated (at midnight UTC) by a bot; creating them manually breaks this process. Remember, we use UTC dates. Nominate the blurb for ITN inclusion under the "Suggestions" subheading for the date, emboldening the link in the blurb to the updated article. Use a level 4 header (====) when doing so. Preferably use the template {{ITN candidate}} to nominate the article related to the event in the news. Make sure that you include a reference from a verifiable, reliable secondary source. Press releases are not acceptable. The suggested blurb should be written in simple present tense. Adding an explanation why the event should be posted greatly increases the odds of posting. Please consider alerting editors to the nomination by adding the template {{ITN note}} to the corresponding article's talk page. There are criteria which guide the decision on whether or not to put a particular item on In the news, based largely on the extensiveness of the updated content and the perceived significance of the recent developments. These are listed at WP:ITN. Submissions that do not follow the guidelines at Wikipedia:In the news will not be placed onto the live template. Headers Items that have been posted or pulled from the main page are generally marked with (Posted) or (Pulled) in the item's subject so it is clear they are no longer active. Items can also be marked as (Ready) when the article is both updated and there seems to be a consensus to post. The posting admin, however, should always judge the update and the consensus to post themselves. If you find an entry that you don't feel is ready to post is marked (Ready), you should remove the mark in the header. Voicing an opinion on an item Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated. Some jargon: RD refers to "recent deaths", a subsection of the news box which lists only the names of the recent notable deceased. Blurb refers to the full sentences that occupy most of the news box. Most eligible deaths will be listed in the recent deaths section of the ITN template. However, some deaths may be given a full listing if there is sufficient consensus to do so. The blurb of a promoted ITN item may be modified to complement the existing items on the main page. Please do not... add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are usually not helpful. Instead, explain the reasons why you think the item meets or does not meet the ITN inclusion criteria so a consensus can be reached. oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive. accuse other editors of supporting, opposing or nominating due to a personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). Conflicts of interest are not handled at ITN. comment on a story without first reading the relevant article(s). oppose a WP:ITN/R item here because you disagree with current WP:ITN/R criteria (these can be discussed at the relevant Talk Page)

February 26

Portal:Current events/2020 February 26
Current events of February 26, 2020 (2020-02-26) (Wednesday) Law and crime Six prisoners are shot dead by Papua New Guinean police as they escape from prison in Western Highlands Province. NBC reports that they were among 100 inmates who escaped during a mass break out. Scores of others are captured. (RNZ)

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February 25

Portal:Current events/2020 February 25

Current events of February 25, 2020 (2020-02-25) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Somali Civil War (2009–present) A U.S. airstrike kills an employee of the telecoms Hormuud Telecom. It was aimed at al-Shabaab in Jilib, Middle Juba. (Reuters) Syrian civil war, Northwestern Syria offensive (December 2019–present), Turkish involvement in the Syrian Civil War As fighting continues in the Idlib Governorate, the Syrian Army takes control of rebel-stronghold Kafranbel for the first time since 2012, and 18 nearby villages including Sheikh Dames and Sheikh Mustafa. (RFI) Turkish-backed rebels recapture the village of Nayrab, west of Saraqib, after days of heavy fighting which has left dozens dead, according to Turkish state media. (Al Jazeera) Turkish military intervention in the Second Libyan Civil War Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan confirms the first Turkish Armed Forces casualties in Libya since beginning a military operation in support of the GNA government after two troops are killed. (BBC) Arts and culture Duffy reveals she was raped, drugged and held hostage over some days resulting in her disappearance from the limelight in recent years.(The Guardian) Business and economy Steve Hasker, former company president of American data firm Nielsen Holdings, is appointed CEO of Thomson Reuters effective March 15. (Reuters) (The Wall Street Journal) Bob Iger steps down as CEO of The Walt Disney Company, and is succeeded by Bob Chapek, former chairman of Disney Parks, Experiences and Products. Iger will continue to serve the company's "creative endeavors" as executive chairman. (Reuters) Health and environment 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak 2020 coronavirus outbreak in Italy 93 more coronavirus cases are confirmed in Italy, bringing the number to 322. Four more virus-related deaths are confirmed, bringing the death toll to eleven. (Agenzia ANSA) 2020 coronavirus outbreak in Austria Two people from Lombardy, Italy, living in Austria's state of Tyrol, test positive for coronavirus. (The Guardian) 2020 coronavirus outbreak in Croatia Croatia confirms its first case of coronavirus. The patient had stayed in Milan, Italy from 19 to 21 February, and was hospitalised in Zagreb, Croatia. (The Guardian) 2020 coronavirus outbreak in Iran Iran's deputy health minister, Iraj Harirchi, tests positive for coronavirus. (CNA) A member of the Iranian Parliament, Mahmoud Sadeghi, states on Twitter that he has been infected with the virus. (New York Times via MSN News) 2020 coronavirus outbreak in Spain Hundreds of guests are locked down in a hotel in Tenerife, Spain, after a visiting Italian doctor tested positive for the virus. (BBC) The first case on the peninsula and the fourth in the country is confirmed in Barcelona, Catalonia. The wife of the Italian doctor becomes the fifth infected in Spain. A sixth case is reported in Villarreal. (La Vanguardia) 2020 coronavirus outbreak in Switzerland On 25 February, Switzerland confirmed the first case of coronavirus. It has been confirmed that the case occured in Ticino, on the border with Italy. (The Guardian) Algeria confirms its first case of the coronavirus. The patient is an Italian man who arrived in the country a week ago. (Africa Times) Canada's largest airline Air Canada suspends all flights to China until April in response to the COVID-19 outbreak. (CBC) International relations China–Sweden relations The Swedish Foreign Ministry summons the Chinese ambassador after the Chinese government sentences bookseller and Swedish citizen Gui Minhai to ten years in prison for espionage. (Reuters) Law and crime A man is arrested for attempting to blow up a car in The Pentagon parking lot. (NBC) Politics and elections German Health Minister Jens Spahn declines to run for leadership of the ruling Christian Democratic Union party, and endorses North Rhine-Westphalia Minister-President Armin Laschet for the position. (Reuters) The Saudi government appoints former energy minister Khalid A. Al-Falih to head a new investment ministry replacing the General Investment Authority, and sacks the media minister, among other changes to the cabinet. (Reuters) Former Liberal Democrats leader David Steel resigns from the party and announces he will leave the UK House of Lords after a report accused him of “abdicat[ing] his responsibility” when he supported the knighthood of former party whip Cyril Smith, who is accused of child molestation. (The Guardian)

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RD: Dmitry Yazov

Article: Dmitry Yazov (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Reuters

Nominator's comments: The last marshal of the soviet union and a convicted war criminal --89.113.138.10 (talk) 14:07, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

• Comment - death is not currently noted in the article except by lifespan. Article is currently rated as stub-class, although it looks decent and the subject seems significant. - Indefensible (talk) 16:13, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

• Could also have better referencing as well. - Indefensible (talk) 16:15, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose - Article is a stub, and in particular, the person in question had many high posts such as being 5-star general and a defence minister and it is not really explained even at a basic level how this came about and how specifically he was removed from being defence minister. There is unsourced stuff about his legal problems and because the article is short, this material is a bit disjointed and the context is not clear, which is a problem Bumbubookworm (talk) 21:45, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

North East Delhi riots

Article: North East Delhi riots (talk, history)
Blurb: ​13 people were killed and more than a hundred and seventy are injured as riots break out in North East Delhi amidst the Citizenship Amendment Act protests.
Alternative blurb: ​Thirteen people are killed and more than a hundred and seventy injured in riots in North East Delhi as part of the Citizenship Amendment Act protests.
News source(s): BBC, NDTV
Credits:

• Nominated by I am not a Seahorse (talk • give credit)
• Created by DBigXray (talk • give credit)
• Updated by DBigXray (talk • give credit)

 --I am not a Seahorse (talk) 13:47, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support I've added a slightly different altblurb to tighten up the language a bit and avoid starting a sentence with a numeral. The article is short, but well written and well referenced, and the subject is being covered by major news sources. Checks every box for me. --Jayron32 14:33, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose when you take out the background filler sections, it's very light on details. Where in Delhi? Was it one large protest or scattered confrontations throughout the city? Total number of participants? Some kind of chronology of events? Way too thin. --LaserLegs (talk) 14:44, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Fixed --⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 16:06, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support I have updated the blurb --⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 14:46, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• I'm moving note of this article Delhi communal violence 2020 from a comment left in the wrong place by User:Rashid Jorvee. Have not yet checked if same thing. --Masem (t) 14:45, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Yes, they are the same news item but different articles. Should be merged (history merged ideally). --Masem (t) 14:47, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Masem, I have redirected it as a newly created duplicate to the existing article. The content hardly merits a hist merge. --⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 15:06, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

•  Working --qedk (t 桜 c) 16:06, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose original blurb because there have a grammatical errors and problems whether it is eleven or 11 in numerical form, because it, I Support the Altblurb with more clear sentences and significance. 180.242.51.208 (talk) 16:08, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support the alt.blurb, seems constructive to me. Dey subrata (talk) 16:38, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• I also support the alternative blurb in favour of my own.--I am not a Seahorse (talk) 16:59, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support on significance. I have poked around on the article and it looks decent. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 19:28, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support Bumbubookworm (talk) 21:46, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

RD: Hosni Mubarak

Article: Hosni Mubarak (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Former Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak (pictured) dies at the age of 91.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Zwerg Nase (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Surely notable. Article looks fairly well sourced as well. Zwerg Nase (talk) 11:09, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support, maybe even blurb as nominator. Article seems well sourced for the most part. Zwerg Nase (talk) 11:10, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• Blurb on significance - 30 years as a powerful head of state of an important regional power. --LukeSurl ^{t c} 11:26, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• Comment it's not terrible, it could in theory fall under WP:ARBPIA, needs to be closely scrutinized for BLP issues and may attract POV warriors. Still working through it. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:55, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• The article has some {{cn}}s and an unreferenced section that need to be fixed, which looks easy enough. Once that's done, I will support a blurb - a major figure in the Middle East who ruled Egypt for three decades. Meets the Thatcher/Mandela standard IMO. We need a proposed blurb to discuss. Modest Genius ^talk 12:01, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose needs referencing. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 12:24, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support blurb once referencing issues have been addressed. Mjroots (talk) 12:40, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb. We've established the bar on this recently, with the Daniel arap Moi and Kirk Douglas noms. For those who die of natural causes, only those of the stature of Thatcher and Mandela get blurbs. Mubarak was leader of Egypt for a long time, sure, and in some ways transformative, but no more so than Moi, and he is not on that world-renowned level required.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:06, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

• @Amakuru: Mubarak was indeed of the stature of Thatcher and Mandela.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:10, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support blurb This is a clear-cut case as he spent 30 years in office as president of the most populous Arab country which now has almost 100 million people. His death is expectedly top-tier news in the media.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:07, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• Wording comment: Blurb text has him as prime minister. He was, but his period as president was longer and more notable. Moscow Mule (talk) 14:13, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

  Hook amended. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 14:19, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support RD only, oppose blurb article is of sufficient condition for main page posting. The article has nothing interesting to say about his death other than it happened, as such, there is nothing to say in the blurb to justify it. RD is sufficient for deaths where there is nothing to say other than that it happened. --Jayron32 14:35, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support blurb once improved Obviously can't post either RD/blurb right now, too many CNs, but once cleared up, posting the death of a former long-term leader of a major country as a blurb is a no-brainer. --Masem (t) 14:42, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support blurb once referencing is fixed. On the contrary to Amakuru's opinion, being forced out of office after 30+ years by some 2 million+ strong in Cairo's Tahrir Square, in an event given a moniker named after its start date ("January 25 Revolution"), is automatically sufficient for a blurb. As to the commonly used Thatcher and Mandela-trope, applying a strict criterion such as "created the political weather" (as Thatcher / Reagan / Mulroney did), which George H.W. Bush did not by any measure, even if his career began as a diplomat in the 1970s (?) and he was part of a political dynasty. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 14:43, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb per Jayron, there is nothing to be said other than "dies aged 91", blurbs should be reserved for events where the death itself is the story, per our guidelines. (This is not one of the "rare cases" exceptions in my view.) The article is not yet ready for RD as there are a number of cite tags.-- P-K3 (talk) 14:47, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support blurb A leader of Egypt for three decades (Egypt is basically half of the Arab world), relevant in the recent Arab Spring events, numerous reporting in the media.--Adûnâi (talk) 14:55, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support blurb pending quality, updates, etc. Mubarak meets the Thatcher-Mandela standard. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 15:00, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support blurb – per previous two. An important historical figure (unlike Harvey Weinstein) – Sca (talk) 15:38, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support blurb - 30 years' president of a country of just under 100 million. Seems pretty major to me. Juxlos (talk) 15:54, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support either as RD or with blurb. Notable subject, article looks decent--currently rated B-class. - Indefensible (talk) 16:07, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb because there have a grammatical errors and linguistic problems But i Support posted to RD instead because the article quality and significance for Egyptian politic history. He is also very notable for Middle Eastern politics as whole. 180.242.51.208 (talk) 16:12, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support blurb when the few sourcing problems are fixed. Mubarak was a transformative world leader, per above. Davey2116 (talk) 17:29, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support Blurb once the cn's are addressed, important Middle Eastern politician Joseywales1961 (talk) 18:04, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• Comment I added the image to CMP so it can be posted when the cn's are addressed. First time doing it so yell at me if I did it wrong or if it was inappropriate to do this early. Kees08 (Talk) 19:53, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• support blurb - definitely blurb worthy. post when few issues are fixed.BabbaQ (talk) 21:16, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• Comment The "Political and military posts" section is very difficult to source and doesn't add much. Suggest nuking it. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:43, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Done. 7 CN tags are keeping this off the main page. If every support above fixed one, this would be up by now. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:50, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support blurb - seems obvious, deeply involved in Arab Spring. Banedon (talk) 22:50, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support blurb - Per above. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:53, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Bob Iger

Article: Bob Iger (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Bob Iger (pictured) steps down as CEO of The Walt Disney Company, and is succeeded by Bob Chapek, former chairman of Disney Parks, Experiences and Products.
Alternative blurb: ​Bob Iger (pictured) steps down as CEO of The Walt Disney Company, and is succeeded by Bob Chapek.
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by AlexKitfox (talk • give credit)

Nominator's comments: Given that Disney is one of the most well-known and profitable media conglomerates in the world, I believe that this news is significant enough for inclusion on the front page. (Also hey, my first ITN nomination. Hi, mom!) AlexKitfox (talk) 00:39, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support as nominator. AlexKitfox (talk) 00:44, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose We don't post run-of-the-mill business news, even when the business is one of the largest in the world. If there was some significant reason for his step down (eg was arrested on criminal charges) then maybe but this is a standard transition. --Masem (t) 00:50, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
  • I don't view this as run-of-the-mill business news in the slightest, or I wouldn't even have nominated this article. Iger presided over Disney as it made major acquisitions (including 21st Century Fox, PIXAR, and Marvel Entertainment for instance), produced some of the most profitable films of all time, and saw a record-breaking increase in wealth. Saying this news is "run-of-the-mill" requires some stretching of logic. AlexKitfox (talk) 01:01, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose I thank the nominator for his good-faith nomination and encourage him to do more ITN nominations in the future, but this is still ultimately business news that is inappropriate for ITN. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 01:20, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

February 24

Portal:Current events/2020 February 24

Current events of February 24, 2020 (2020-02-24) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Volkmarsen ramming attack 61 people are injured when a car rams civilians at a carnival parade in Volkmarsen, Hesse, Germany. A 29-year-old German national is arrested by police. (BBC) Gaza–Israel conflict, Israeli–Palestinian conflict Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu threatens the leadership of the Gaza Strip with war if rocket attacks continue. (News AU) Libyan Civil War (2014–present), Libyan peace process Both of Libya's rival governments, the Government of National Accord and Tobruk-based House of Representatives, pull out of UN-sponsored peace talks in Geneva. (Al Jazeera) North East Delhi riots Violent clashes in New Delhi, India, between Hindu and Muslim protestors over the Citizenship Amendment Act during U.S. President Donald Trump's visit leave 13 people dead and at least 150 injured. (The Guardian) Business and economy Socio-economic impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak The Dow Jones Industrial Average drops more than 3% as the coronavirus outbreak spreads outside China. This follows benchmark indices falling sharply in Europe after steep declines across Asia. (Barrons), (Wall Street Journal) Health and environment 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak 2020 coronavirus outbreak in Iran Armenia has closed its border from Meghri with Iran and suspended all flights from Armenia to Iran for the next two weeks due to increasing cases of coronavirus in Iran. (Prime Minister of Armenia's Facebook page) The General Authority of Oman's Civil Aviation announced the suspension of all flights between the sultanate and the Islamic Republic of Iran until further notice. (CNN) 2020 coronavirus outbreak in Italy Seventy-four more coronavirus cases are confirmed in Italy, bringing the number to 229. Four more virus-related deaths are confirmed, bringing the death toll to seven. (La Repubblica) 2020 coronavirus outbreak in South Korea Vietnamese airline Bamboo Airways suspends flights to South Korea starting 26 February. (CNN) 2020 coronavirus outbreak in the United States The total number of infected in the United States is now 53 people, up from 34 two days ago. (CNN) Pakistan International Airlines suspends flights to China until March 15. (Geo News) A 300-bed isolation ward has been set up in Islamabad for Chinese citizens returning to Pakistan after vacations. (ARY News) Kuwait, Iraq, Afghanistan, Oman and Bahrain confirm their first cases of coronavirus. (Gulf News) (Straits Times) (Fox News) Spain confirms its third case in Tenerife, Canary Islands, from an Italian tourist. (El Periódico) International relations India–United States relations U.S. President Donald Trump visits India and meets Prime Minister Narendra Modi to discuss the sale of American military jets to India. (NPR)(ARY News) Law and crime The United States wants to extradite WikiLeaks creator Julian Assange on espionage charges. (NBC News) Prime Minister of Lesotho Tom Thabane appears in court and hears the charges against him in a pre-trial hearing. He denies involvement in the murder of his former wife and requests immunity from the higher court. (Reuters) Harvey Weinstein sexual abuse cases U.S. film producer Harvey Weinstein is found guilty of rape. (The New York Times) The United Kingdom bans Sonnenkrieg Division, the UK branch of the American Neo-Nazi organization Atomwaffen Division, as a terrorist group in response to the Hanau shootings last week. (The Guardian) Politics and elections 2020 Dominican Republic municipal elections, Timeline of 2020 Dominican Republic Municipal Election Protests The Organization of American States begins an audit of the suspended elections. (Dominican Today) Protests in Santo Domingo continue for the fifth day. (Dominican Today) Politics of Malaysia Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad resigns. (CNN)

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RD: Diana Serra Cary

Article: Diana Serra Cary (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): [2]
Credits:

• Nominated by Clibenfoart (talk • give credit)

Her death is notable as she was the last surviving "star" of the silent era. It seems quite well-sourced, every section has at least one source. --Clibenfoart (talk) 00:41, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

RD: Olof Thunberg

Article: Olof Thunberg (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): [3]
Credits:

• Updated by BabbaQ (talk • give credit)

 BabbaQ (talk) 21:03, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose stubby Bumbubookworm (talk) 21:35, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you. I did not see that it has been rated a stub. When it is clearly a Start.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:37, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
    • The main body about his career is only 214 words. The rest is about his famous descendants and a long list of participations in events Bumbubookworm (talk) 21:50, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) Harvey Weinstein convicted

discussion is turning into unnecessary bickering. Consensus is to post. Errors in the article content can be discussed on article talk page. Errors in factual content of the blurb can be reported to WP:ERRORS. --Jayron32 16:50, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Articles: Harvey Weinstein (talk, history) and Harvey Weinstein sexual abuse cases (talk, history)
Blurb: ​American former film producer Harvey Weinstein is convicted on two charges of rape.
Alternative blurb: ​Harvey Weinstein is convicted on one charge of rape and one charge of felony sex crime while acquitted of two charges of predatory sexual assault.
Alternative blurb II: ​Harvey Weinstein is convicted of rape and a criminal sexual act.
Alternative blurb III: ​Harvey Weinstein is convicted of two felony sex crimes.
Alternative blurb IV: ​Harvey Weinstein is convicted on two charges of felony sex crimes while acquitted of two charges of predatory sexual assault.
News source(s): NYT, NBC News
Credits:

• Nominated by Davey2116 (talk • give credit)

Both articles updated

Nominator's comments: Highly publicized trial (especially for its significance to the Me Too movement), with a verdict carrying a sentence of up to 25 years. Davey2116 (talk) 17:49, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality issues I forgot that we post on conviction not sentence, as I was going to post this when I saw it and added the news to the article. Note that I added an altblurb focusing on the charges he was cleared of which were the ones that would have carried the heavier sentences and that more people wanted to see. I note that when I added this to the trial article, there was almost nothing about the last two weeks about the trial at all which was in the news (at least, noting when the jury was given the case to deliberate). --Masem (t) 18:05, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. He still has another trial waiting for him in Hollywood, so I can't say this is ready to post yet since it's not over. Nohomersryan (talk) 18:25, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose seedy character convicted for seedy crimes. Happens every day everywhere. This one happens to be an American prominent in Hollywood. Nope. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:32, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support Regardless of what happens at future trials, this verdict will send him to jail. Key moment in the Me Too movement and fall of a key figure in modern culture is of global interest. 2A00:23C5:508F:3E01:20BB:11B4:8EE1:9D30 (talk) 19:49, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support in principle – This case is a very influential. See Weinstein effect. This conviction is the climax of a long controversy worth posting on ITN. Oppose the current blurbs. He was only convicted on two charges. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 19:54, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Alternative blurb II looks ready to post. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 21:59, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per TRM. Celebrity crime/gossip we are not. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:58, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support - We are stupid not to post this. This is definitively in the news.--WaltCip (talk) 21:18, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

  Walt, this is "in the news" in our shitty clickbait world. This isn't ENCYCLOPEDIC as far as I can tell. Little wonder if this kind of shite is getting traction for the main page that we're now considering ditching ITN altogether. Gets my vote. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 23:02, 24 February 2020 (UTC)`

• Support pending article quality This is not, as Ad Orientem suggests, merely "celebrity crime/gossip". This case is a touchstone to the Me Too movement. Something like the Oscar Pistorius case is celebrity crime/gossip alone. This is much more. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:24, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support --- this is as much ITN as anything else that's posted on ITN. TRM's comment that he's American is irrelevant. -- Rockstone^{[Send me a message!]} 21:28, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

  Sure, if he was Sri Lankan or Filipino or Greek you'd be supporting. Of course. But your argument, it's ITN because it's ITN because everything else like it has been ITN and therefore this should be ITN is spot on. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 23:00, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose - per Ad Orientem. No doubt this is on all the front pages around the world, and I'll be honest - that used to be my criterion for posting here per WP:ITN#Purpose. But I have been told many times by ITN regulars, and consensus usually follows this, that despite our "purpose" of getting the day's news stories up on the main page, we are at the same time not a news ticker, and that means we don't post celebrity stories etc. just because the media do, but we only choose stories of genuine encyclopedic value. So if we're picking and choosing our stories based on encyclopedic value rather than newsworthiness, and hence rejected stories such as Brett Kavanaugh being appointed to the supreme court, then we should also reject this one which, despite the rhetoric, is ultimately just the trial result of an individual Hollywood celebrity and not even a massively unexpected result.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:58, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

  As pointed out above, this is not just a big-name celebrity news story (that would be something more akin to Kevin Spacey's current trial). Weinstein's accusations kicked off the entire #MeToo movement which washed through Hollywood and numerous other industries and not just in the US and yet remains probably the highest profile case. That seems to be the reason to post, its relevance to #MeToo, not because Weinstein was a Hollywood big shot. --Masem (t) 02:04, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose because of referencing in the filmography. Weinstein isn't your usual sex offender, this kicked off "me too" --LaserLegs (talk) 23:01, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

  We do not have to bold link the bio. The cases have their own article. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 23:37, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose as worded the blurb is about a single case. If this is about the Me Too movement, it needs to say so (although the "timeline" section in the Me Too movement article conspicuously starts from 2006). Banedon (talk) 23:42, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support once quality is taken care of As said above, this did kick off MeToo. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 00:09, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support - Highly notable watershed moment of accountability for an extremely powerful man. Agree that this case started the MeToo movement. Attempts to redefine the purpose of ITN in this discussion are irrelevant, in my view, and should be discounted. The article(s) may not be 100% perfect, but they are good enough. Blurb should be posted asap. Jusdafax (talk) 01:15, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• Blurb errors: Only one count of rape He was convicted of two counts, but only one count of rape.[4]—Bagumba (talk) 04:10, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
  • I fixed that while adding a fourth blurb that summarized both convictions and acquittals. --Masem (t) 05:29, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support I prefer Alternative blurb II. --Mr. Vernon (talk) 05:32, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support on notability, per Masem. Hrodvarsson (talk) 05:46, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support The New York Times calls it a "#MeToo watershed".[5] Not just another "seedy character" conviction, as some opposers contend. Prefer simplicity of Alt blurb III, minimizing legalese.—Bagumba (talk) 06:13, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• Comment RE: BLP & BLPCRIME. Should this go up, it must include the least legalese and the crimes described in the blurb should be in layman's terms that are understood throughout the ENGVAR universe. Alt III is most suitable. Specific descriptions like "predatory assault" and even "felony" have various meanings. Specific information on the charges are in the article, but as a single line on the front page it should cause the least amount of misunderstanding. Terribly important in this case, as subject is in legal jeopardy in different countries and venues, which may have different definitions for some of the terms in the proposed blurbs. I add my Support !vote: trial is of immense international interest, subject was famous beforehand, topic is, well, topical.130.233.2.197 (talk) 07:02, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• Posted Altblurb 3 as suggested. The Katherine Johnson photo just went up so I thought I'd leave it a little more, but someone can change it if they wish. 331dot (talk) 09:17, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

  Do we really want to post a picture of Weinstein on the front page? Similar to our not putting a picture at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/February 21, 2020, I think there's a danger it would attract more controversy than it's worth.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:11, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

  I think we just leave it as-is. As Chris Kraft might say, "if you don't know what to do, don't do anything".--WaltCip (talk) 13:13, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

  @WaltCip: when you say "leave it as-is", do you mean we should include a picture of Weinstein, as that's the default, or do you mean we should not have one, and leave it as Johnson's pic?  — Amakuru (talk) 13:57, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

  That FA was regarding a person notable solely as a criminal, and not wanting to encourage copycat crimes. Weinstein, on the other hand, is notable beyond this case.—Bagumba (talk) 14:17, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

• Post posting support but I definitely don't want Weinstein's mug up there.-- P-K3 (talk) 13:28, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

P-K3 why not ? you are supporting the name though. I am for both or nothing.--⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 13:33, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

There's no requirement that the top blurb must be pictured. And I will happily admit to a bias in favour of looking at Katherine Johnson rather than Weinstein for a week.-- P-K3 (talk) 14:31, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

You are hereby condemned to see this pic ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ

Pawnkingthree, In that case I propose that you as well as Wikipedia reading Humanity be forced to see his face like Clockwork Orange as long as possible, so that we may not have another Weinstein. ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 14:35, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

• Comment - @Bagumba: I have reverted the use of Weinstein's picture for now, per the discussion immediately above. I don't have a strong opinion either way, but I think we should wait and see if there's consensus first.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:53, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• I'd rather look at a inspiring academic than a despicable criminal, but I think we have a clearly established (and recently confirmed) consensus that blurbs get the photo over RD. GreatCaesarsGhost 14:02, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

GreatCaesarsGhost, lets not be hypocrites. Lets not introduce personal BIAS here. If you find it suitable to blurb him, it must have his picture. If a new blurb comes, his pic can be replaced, not until then. ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 14:11, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Please read more carefully - that's exactly what I just said. GreatCaesarsGhost 15:54, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support restoring Weinstein image RD Katherine Johnson's image was the right IAR call at the time. But Weinstein is now the top blurb, and we generally put an image related to most recent blurb on top. Or is moral character now a criteria, like when Trunp was replaced with RD Kirk Douglas?—Bagumba (talk) 14:05, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

• If only real life was like that. We could have Michael Douglas instead. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:13, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Where's Trick when we finally need him? – Sca (talk) 16:01, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support restoring Weinstein image All or nothing i.e. pull down the blurb if you dont want the pic. But it is hypocritical to say you like to see his name there but not his face. --⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 14:11, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• I don't care either way whether Weinstein's picture appears, but we should leave Johnson up for 24 hours before changing. ITN doesn't have an inexhaustible supply of images, and there's no requirement for the top item to have the image. We should make full use of each opportunity we have, otherwise we end up with the same image staying up for ages (as happened with the Dail and Parasite pictures). Modest Genius ^talk 14:14, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

  It's been up for 14 hrs already. It's about being as timely as possible. This isnt like rotating through Nobel winners on par with each other.—Bagumba (talk) 14:23, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

• Oh well, Mjroots has now put the image back in place again. This is arguably a violation of WP:WHEEL, and it would have been nice if they'd consulted me first, but no harm done - there is probably a rough consensus for inclusion by now. Let's see if anything kicks off at WP:ERRORS or Talk:Main Page. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 14:32, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

  Amakuru, IAR, I am glad, someone used his admin bits, to undo the hypocrisy. More power to unbiased admins. ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 14:36, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

  Apologies, Amakuru, I was not aware that it had been previously posted. I saw that there was an image available related to a blurb, rather than a RD, checked that the image was protected, and inserted it. AFAIK, RD images are only to be used if there are no suitable blurb images (I think I commented to that effect recently). There was no intention to WHEEL. Mjroots (talk) 14:40, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

  @Mjroots: Fair enough, and that's fine - thanks for the explanation. I get the point about RD and blurb pics, my only concern was that there have been objections in the past to posting pictures of convicted criminals and terrorists on the main page. But evidently there's consensus here, so no harm done. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 14:54, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

  Yeah, there's been times when I thought "do we really have to have that ugly mug there?", but it's the system we are working under. Best we can do is apply the system fairly and without bias and partiality every time, no matter what our personal feelings are on the matter. Mjroots (talk) 15:02, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support image newest post gets the image, otherwise it's editorializing. --LaserLegs (talk) 14:45, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support image RD images are only if there's no suitable blurb image, and this is a suitable blurb image. (EDIT: There's also no requirement that the imaged blurb be the top one, but this is the "main" story of the ITN section right now, so it makes sense for the image.) – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 14:49, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• Post-posting support; the trial isn't newsworthy in and of itself; its newsworthy for its role in touching off the Me Too movement. Describing it as nothing more than celebrity gossip is...an interesting outlook. Vanamonde (Talk) 15:45, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• Post-posting comment – Way overplayed (per TRM, Ad Orientem, Amakuru). Despite the interminable hype (there'll be more in Calif.), this squalid episode is of little general significance. – Sca (talk) 15:53, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• Comment Maybe someone could photoshop some bars across his mug? Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 16:37, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

  Lugnuts, would posting his pic above this image would work for you ? ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 16:46, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Katherine Johnson

Article: Katherine Johnson (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/katherine-johnson-hidden-figure-at-nasa-during-1960s-space-race-dies-at-101/2020/02/24/fd5058ba-5715-11ea-9000-f3cffee23036_story.html
Credits:

• Nominated by Samwalton9 (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Article looks to be in good shape. Not personally convinced this rises to the level of a blurb but could see the argument for it. Sam Walton (talk) 14:44, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support per intersecting multiple areas of international/intergenerational interest. ——SN54129 14:49, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• Comment Samwalton9 A recent deaths nomination is dependent only on article quality, so there isn't any argument necessary in that sense. (Unless you are proposing a blurb?)-- P-K3 (talk) 15:10, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Ah, yes, by ITN I meant a blurb. Corrected my note :) Sam Walton (talk) 15:12, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support Quality is good and seems ready to go. --Masem (t) 15:18, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support Article looks in good shape.-- P-K3 (talk) 15:26, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• Posted Kees08 (Talk) 16:10, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• Can we post the photo? Been looking at that empty room for a long time. 159.53.46.144 (talk) 17:11, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
  • I would support this being an IAR case of posting an RD photo (even if the Weinstein blurb above is posted). --Masem (t) 18:07, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• Post-posting support and I agree that we should post her picture. Davey2116 (talk) 17:42, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• I’d support a blurb. If you look at the children’s publishing world, she has rocketed in popularity as a subject of biographies. For example, DK’s children’s biography series has a title about her, putting her on the same plane as one Nelson Mandela. I think there will be a great deal of interest in this article. Zagalejo^^^ 17:53, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
  • The problem is .. it's like just short of all metrics we're consider for blurb. She's an important mathematician but was not the top of her field. She was an important first-female type thing, but that's not a reason to blurb as well. --Masem (t) 18:07, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support I have also added the image to WP:CMP; it may be added as soon as KrinkleBot does their job (I will be AFK for a while). Black Kite (talk) 18:54, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• Picture posted It is Black History Month, after all. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:05, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) Coronavirus outbreaks occur in South Korea, Japan, and Italy

Closing this as it "isn't notable". Noah^Talk 14:55, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

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Article: 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Coronavirus outbreaks occur in Italy, South Korea, and Japan, infecting over 1,300 people.
News source(s): https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/
Credits:

• Nominated by Hurricane Noah (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: I know this is ongoing, but these are the first major outbreaks of cases outside of China. Based upon the 4% drop in markets in Europe and US stock futures, it certainly seems to be garnering significant attention. Noah^Talk 13:30, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose the story is in "Ongoing" which is fine. Both regional outbreaks seem to stem from interactions with Chinese nationals, no evidence of a wider pandemic. --LaserLegs (talk) 14:04, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

• The issue is this is no longer contained in China with just isolated outbreaks elsewhere. If it keeps on increasing like it has in Italy, South Korea, and Japan, it will be one. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/24/world/asia/china-coronavirus.html PANDEMIC is being mentioned in tons of news articles now. These outbreaks are quite notable on their own. Noah^Talk 14:09, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

• There is more notability in the panic induced 4% drop in the FTSE 100 and DAX 30 than in 225 cases with 3 fatalities in Italy. --LaserLegs (talk) 14:12, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose There's no special factor of these cases in S. Korea or Italy as to reblurb the outbreak. It already had been spread well beyond China already. It is similar here to climate change, and only want to make to blurb stories where there has been massive change. If, for example, WHO reclassifies this to a pandemic, then that calls for a blurb. --Masem (t) 14:15, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

• Yeah, but not to the extent of a thousand+ being infected. It was pockets of double digits in countries. All the news sources are screaming pandemic. I would say thousands of cases outside China is quite a change. Noah^Talk 14:20, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

• A little perspective: CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 29 million flu illnesses, 280,000 hospitalizations and 16,000 deaths from flu.. This is just in the USA. --LaserLegs (talk) 14:24, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• News sources are screaming it, but lets wait for the medical/disease experts to make the call first. We want to stress the importance that readers know about this virus, but at the same time, there is a lot of misinformation about it and we can't be sharing the same sense of panic as media has on that. And I don't expect these three countries to be the last to have >100 cases before this is over, given what we know, and we're not going to post each time a country gets above those numbers. --Masem (t) 14:24, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

• South Korea has almost 1000... I see no reason not to blurb that the virus is rapidly spreading in places outside of China since it hasnt been done thus far. Noah^Talk 14:26, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

  Well ITN is not a news ticker, and there is no requirement to blurb every development on every single story. The coronavirus is clearly a major deal - the likely overall mortality rate of at least 2% and the potential for global spread makes it more worrying than the winter flu cases mentioned above - but probably we should wait for a more major development before re-blurbing.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:34, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Ongoing is the right place for this.-- P-K3 (talk) 14:30, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support This is big news affecting three of the top economies in the world, on two continents. It is funny that some people think the WHO's calling it a pandemic would be considered more notable than this. 50k people in Lombardy are in lockdown.--Adûnâi (talk) 14:37, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Several million people in Wuhan have been in lock-down for weeks, as have smaller numbers in several other countries. Why are the Italians more notable? Modest Genius ^talk 14:42, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• Wait per Masem. For now, ongoing is the right place for this. Things do seem to be escalating so I'm open to re-posting a blurb once something major happens, but these localised cases aren't substantial enough yet. Modest Genius ^talk 14:42, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• CLOSING: Closing due to lack of notability expressed by the opposition. Noah^Talk 14:55, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

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RD: Kiki Dimoula

Article: Kiki Dimoula (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Ekathimerini
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Alsoriano97 (talk • give credit)

 Alsoriano97 (talk) 12:06, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose this really needs to be expanded; it's a stub and there is very little about her life.-- P-K3 (talk) 15:49, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose stub missing refs. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 12:25, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) Sardar Patel Stadium

Consensus to post this likely will not develop. --Jayron32 15:05, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

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Article: Sardar Patel Stadium (talk, history)
Blurb: ​US President Donald Trump on his first Presidential trip to India, officially opens the Sardar Patel Stadium which is now regarded as the largest cricket stadium in the world.
Alternative blurb: ​Sardar Patel Stadium officially opened by US President Donald Trump as the world's largest cricket stadium with a seating capacity of over 110, 000
Alternative blurb II: ​Sardar Patel Stadium, the world's largest cricket stadium and second-largest overall with 110,000 seating capacity, is inaugurated in Motera, India.
News source(s): Al Jazeera, Reuters, BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Abishe (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: This is quite significant as the stadium is also now regarded as the second largest sports stadium ever in the world in terms of seating capacity. Abishe (talk) 05:10, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Second-largest stadium is second-largest and thus not record-breaking. Even on this, I would oppose the blurb focusing on Trump, just announced that the second-larget stadium by seating was opened, there is no need to make this potentially political. --Masem (t) 05:17, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

It's the biggest cricket stadium. HiLo48 (talk) 05:19, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Purpose is irrelevant, though I would make a distinction if we were talking between indoor and outdoor stadiums from an architectural standpoint. --Masem (t) 05:28, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Hardly irrelevant. You can't even play serious cricket on most soccer grounds, and soccer fans don't like watching their game on big, wide cricket grounds. Note that we are talking of the two most popular sports in the world here. HiLo48 (talk) 05:55, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Not irrelevant but not necessarily significant enough to be posted either. Undecided on this one currently though. - Indefensible (talk) 06:05, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

If the key factor is "largest", then it is an architectural facet , not a sporting one, to figure out the way to support that many seat, though the sport itself is going to partially dictate why they need that many seats (eg , there's a reason why several of the largest ones are American college football) --Masem (t) 06:10, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose/Comment The building (and perhaps the opening) of the stadium is the news here, not the fact that Trump opened it. Stadiums are noted for their size, tenants, location, and many other things, but never for who opens them. HiLo48 (talk) 05:18, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Change Alternative Blurb II to say opened rather than inaugurated, and I will support it. HiLo48 (talk) 05:52, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose It's not the largest and Trump inaugrating it is irrelevant, ITN is not a press release. --qedk (t 桜 c) 06:43, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose on notability as the blurbs need a lot of qualifiers to prove notability. ("Largest cricket stadium" doesn't seem to be a bit deal.) Article also needs copyediting.  Nixinova   T   C   07:30, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose trivia. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 08:00, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• Strong oppose because grammatical errors. Grammatical errors like assumption that it has largest stadium world is false. Because grammatical errors, it not sufficient to include in ITN. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.137.122.197 (talk) 09:02, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
  • I'm not convinced you know what a 'grammatical error' is. You appear to be criticising a factual error. Modest Genius ^talk 11:47, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose - This is a part of Trump’s visit to India, which in itself is nowhere near when Trump and Kim Jong-un met in terms of importance. Besides, the stadium itself is the largest among cricket stadiums. RedBulbBlueBlood9911 (talk) 10:07, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• Comment this is a new stadium, but the article is a mix of info about the new stadium and the one which stood previously in it's place. Strip out the trivia from the old structure and there isn't much left. --LaserLegs (talk) 10:51, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• Neutral on significance, oppose on article quality. The opening of a large stadium is pretty uninspiring, especially one that isn't record-breaking, though I suppose we do need some new items on the template. However the article is mostly about the old stadium, full of unencyclopaedic cheerleading, needs a heavy copyedit, and hasn't even had the tenses updated. If posted, the blurb certainly shouldn't mention Trump, who is irrelevant to the story. Modest Genius ^talk 11:47, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Trivia.-- P-K3 (talk) 14:35, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

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Mahathir Mohamad

Article: Mahathir Mohamad (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Malaysian prime minister Mahathir Mohamad submits his resignation to the king after 2 years in office.
News source(s): CNN Prime Minister's Office of Malaysia AFP Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Nahnah4 (talk • give credit)
• Updated by Wpeneditor (talk • give credit) and Sisuvia (talk • give credit) and Milliede' (talk • give credit)

Nominator's comments: A prime minister resigning should be notable enough to be front-page news. (Correct me if I'm wrong) Nahnah4 (talk

• Oppose For as long as the target is, I can't find an update in the suitable section (Second term as prime minister). Updates to the infobox and lede are lacking in detail. I am therefore unconvinced that this resigning is any more impactful or notable than any other.130.233.2.197 (talk) 08:53, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Prose updates are now at least in the correct place, but there are still no details regarding why this in important. Indeed, the updates make it sound as if nothing is actually changing.130.233.2.197 (talk) 06:42, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• Comment A change in PM is not always notable outside of a general election, mostly when the incoming PM is of the same party and policies are not expected to change(don't know if that's the case here). 331dot (talk) 09:28, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
  • The CNN & Guardian sources above make it clear this was unexpected, seems to be excluding the person who was previously thought to be the most likely successor, and will lead to a new coalition. Modest Genius ^talk 14:52, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• Comment "The Prime Minister of Malaysia is the head of government and the highest political office in Malaysia. The prime minister leads the executive branch of the federal government.". We really need to get over this inane head of state vs head of government fixation. I'll change to full supprot if I have a chance to read the target before the nom is SNOW closed. --LaserLegs (talk) 10:15, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• Comment - has the change of leader actually taken place yet? I suggest we wait to post this until it's known who is successor is, and the reins of power are handed over. Then we can mention both of them in one story.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:06, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Seems he's the interim prime minister while a new government is formed. Banedon (talk) 12:34, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support was going to nominate this. Banedon (talk) 12:34, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support. Unexpected resignation, high quality article. Mahathir_Mohamad#Resignation seems enough of an update. Modest Genius ^talk 14:52, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose The forming and dissolution of governments in the parliamentary system are not generally significant enough to be posted (though general elections are ITN/R). New PMs are posted on a case-by-case basis, but he is still the PM for now and could remain so in a new government. GreatCaesarsGhost 16:28, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose post new PM per ITNR. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:05, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per TRM and GreatCaesarsGhost. -- Rockstone^{[Send me a message!]} 21:30, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support of course its note worthy enough for the main page, the change of a government outside an regular election cycle is significant. The fact the King has asked Mahathir to stay on as PM until his replacement is resolved, is also significant as it shows his government the crowns support even if the parliamentary processes dont. Gnangarra 01:23, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support. I'll tell a bit about the situation. Mahathir Mohamed is supposed to appoint Anwar Ibrahim like what had been planned where he'll take the position just for 2 years (written in news) but he resigned which make the appointment of Anwar Ibrahim as a new Prime Minister is off. So, there's a plot twist phenomenon there as Mahathir Mohamed doesn't seems to put off the position when the Agong of Malaysia appoint him as Interim Prime Minister. I think he's notable enough to be in the front page because he's one of world phenomenon.CyberTroopers (talk) 02:31, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
  • This sounds like domestic political intrigue, and I don't think it's suitable for ITN absent some other criteria.130.233.2.197 (talk) 06:42, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

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February 22

Portal:Current events/2020 February 22

Current events of February 22, 2020 (2020-02-22) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Kashmir conflict Two Kashmiri civilians alleged to be Lashkar-e-Taiba militants are killed by Indian soldiers at Anantnag, Jammu and Kashmir, in a counter-terrorism operation. (DNA India) (ARY News) Five terrorists are killed in Peshawar, Khyber Paktunkhwa, Pakistan, by the Counter-Terrorism Department (CTD) in a heavy exchange of fire during a search operation. (Geo News) Disasters and accidents Daredevil and flat Earth conspiracy theorist Mike Hughes dies after crashing in his homemade rocket near Barstow, California. He was attempting to prove the Earth was flat as part of a documentary series with Science Channel. (BBC) Health and environment 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak 2020 coronavirus outbreak in Italy Italy confirms that a 78-year-old man in Padua, Veneto, and a woman in her 70s in Codogno, Lombardy, have died after contracting the virus. They are the first two coronavirus deaths in Italy. (Tgcom24) 58 more coronavirus cases are confirmed in Italy, bringing the number of cases to 79. (Open) 2020 coronavirus outbreak in South Korea South Korea confirms that 229 more people have contracted the coronavirus in the country, raising the total number to 433. (BBC) 2020 coronavirus outbreak in the United States The United States reports 34 confirmed cases of the illness and expects more. (The New York Times) 2020 coronavirus outbreak in Asia The first coronavirus case is confirmed in Iraq. (Anadolu Agency) Samoa bans all cruise ships from visiting the country amid growing efforts to keep the virus away. (RNZ) France shuts down its first nuclear power reactor, at the Fessenheim Nuclear Power Plant. (Deutsche Welle) Law and crime Lesotho PM Tom Thabane is granted sick leave until 27 February when he is due to appear in court for the murder of his former wife. (Reuters) Politics and elections 2020 Dominican Republic municipal elections The Dominican Republic government wants the Organization of American States to investigate what occurred in the controversial February 16 elections. (Dominican Today) 2020 Togolese presidential election Voters in Togo head to the polls to elect the country's president. Incumbent president Faure Gnassingbé, accused of an authoritarian rule, seeks to run for a fourth term which was made possible by a constitutional amendment in 2019. (DW) 2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries Senator Bernie Sanders wins the Nevada Caucus. (CNN)

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(Posted) RD: June Dally-Watkins

Article: June Dally-Watkins (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2020/feb/23/june-dally-watkins-australias-queen-of-deportment-and-etiquette-dies-at-92
Credits:

• Nominated by Amakuru (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Australian businesswoman and fashion model. I have updated the body so it is now start-class rather than stub.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:56, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

• Posted Kees08 (Talk) 16:57, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Hisashi Katsuta

Article: Hisashi Katsuta (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2020-02-22/voice-actor-hisashi-katsuta-passes-away/.156749
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Miraclepine (talk • give credit)

Nominator's comments: The voice of Dr. Ochanomizu. Nicely sourced but could use a little tidying and expanding. Died the day before, but announced on this day. ミラP 02:58, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support – Looks good to me. AGF on sources. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 03:56, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:25, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD Thich Quang Do

Article: Thich Quang Do (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Straits Times
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bumbubookworm (talk • give credit)

Article updated

 Bumbubookworm (talk) 00:41, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

• Nominator comment am expanding and adding sources. The patriarch of the Unified Buddhist Church of Vietnam, banned under the communist govt of Vietnam. Nominated for Nobel Prize and other things for dissident activities Bumbubookworm (talk) 00:41, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose too soon for a fair use image. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 08:01, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Removed image Bumbubookworm (talk) 12:41, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per TRM. This seems to be happening more and more, and it is a breach of the WP:FAIRUSE terms, so soon after the BLP's death.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:08, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Removed image. Is anything else required? Regards, Bumbubookworm (talk) 12:41, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

    Thanks for that, Bumbubookworm. Now almost good to go, but I think the WP:LEAD section needs a bit of expansion, so that it summarises the body of the article. Currently it is limited to saying he was a patriarch, and mentioning one of the awards he received. But lacks any info on his life and career, particularly anything mentioned in the "Political opposition" subsection, which comprises the majority of the article at present. Once that's done, sourcing is good so looks good to go.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:49, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

    • Lead expanded - I forgot about that, thanks for the prompt Bumbubookworm (talk) 13:04, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

      Great, thanks for the speedy turnaround! Support now, and marking as ready. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 13:13, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support Looks good go.-- P-K3 (talk) 14:36, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• Posted, requesting opinions on whether the diacritical form Thích Quảng Độ is appropriate or not — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:48, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: B. Smith

Article: B. Smith (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): The Washington Post
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Coffeeandcrumbs (talk • give credit)

Article updated

 --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 17:27, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support was coming here to nominate after reviewing state of article, which appears to be fine. --Masem (t) 18:26, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support - article seems ok for RD.BabbaQ (talk) 18:58, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
• Posted --valereee (talk) 19:25, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Mike Hughes

Article: Mike Hughes (daredevil) (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Fox LA
Credits:

• Nominated by Masem (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: From a first pass of sourcing, the article looks ok, but keeping in mind he was also known as a flat earther, I would ask !voters to consider neutrality of language as well (I'm not seeing anything that immediately sets off problems). And while this would fall under a possible "unusual death" blurb, this is mainly a D-list celeb, so not to the level of recognition a blurb merits, and RD is fine. Masem (t) 02:40, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support - It is ready as far as I can see for RD.BabbaQ (talk) 09:54, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support - Surprising, really. But then again, not. Article in good shape. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:20, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
• Posted Kees08 (Talk) 16:50, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

February 21

Portal:Current events/2020 February 21

Current events of February 21, 2020 (2020-02-21) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks War in Afghanistan (2001–present), Afghan peace process A seven-day "reduction of violence" between United States troops, Afghan troops, and the Taliban is due to start at midnight local time (19:30 UTC). If the partial truce is successful, a US–Taliban agreement on withdrawing American troops would be signed on February 29. (NBC News) Kashmir conflict India and Pakistan have engaged in a military confrontation across the de facto border in Kashmir; Indian and Pakistani forces exchanged fire near the Line of Control (LoC) in Kupwara district, Jammu and Kashmir. One Pakistani soldier died in the exchange of fire. (Hindustan Times) Health and environment 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak Israel and Lebanon report their first cases of 2019-nCoV coronavirus. (Al Jazeera) Italy confirms 18 more coronavirus cases in the country, bringing the confirmed cases to twenty-one. All eighteen are Italian citizens. (Corriere della Sera) North Korea cancels this year's Pyongyang Marathon due to concerns about coronavirus. (Al Jazeera) Law and crime Prime Minister of Lesotho Tom Thabane fails to appear in court for the murder of his former wife, and his son says he has traveled to South Africa to see a doctor. Police warn that if he does not return, they will issue an arrest warrant. (Reuters) (Independent Online) The Constitutional Court of Thailand orders the Future Forward Party to be dissolved. (ABC News) Mexico extradites Rubén Oseguera González, the son of Nemesio Oseguera Cervantes, to the United States to face drug charges. Cervantes is the leader of the Jalisco New Generation Cartel. (ABC News) Wells Fargo is set to pay $3 billion over their 2016 scandal of creating fake accounts in customers' names. (NBC News) Politics and elections 2020 Dominican Republic municipal elections The major opposition party PRM asked for protection for its presidential security chief. (Dominican Today) The Protest in Black continues into the fourth day. (Dominican Today) Attorney General Jean Alain Rodríguez Sánchez launches a plan to sequester the Justice Ministry for partisan purposes. (Dominican Today) 2020 Iranian legislative election Parliamentary elections are being held in Iran. The election is criticized for the barring of around 9,000 candidates, thus raising the concerns of an unusual low voter turnout. (DW) (The Guardian)

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(Posted) RD: Lisel Mueller

Article: Lisel Mueller (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Chicago Sun Times
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Pulitzer-prize winner for poetry. - Article expanded and refs added. Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:30, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

• Comment - the line in the lead about her being the only German-born poet to be awarded the Pulitzer prize doesn't seem to be cited. Other than that, good to go. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 14:45, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support Looks like citing issue has been resolved.-- P-K3 (talk) 15:50, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• Posted Kees08 (Talk) 17:01, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

February 20

Portal:Current events/2020 February 20

Current events of February 20, 2020 (2020-02-20) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian civil war, Northwestern Syria offensive (December 2019–present), Turkish involvement in the Syrian Civil War Turkish-backed rebels launch an offensive in the Idlib Governorate against government forces. A Russian air strike kills two Turkish soldiers and wounds five others, while Turkey says a retaliatory strike killed 50 Syrian troops. Several tanks and armoured personnel carriers are destroyed near the village of Nayrab. (News AU) (Al Jazeera) Turkey formally requests the deployment of Patriot surface-to-air missile systems by its NATO ally United States on the Syria–Turkey border to deter Syrian and Russian air strikes on its troops. (The Telegraph) (Al Masdar News) Art and culture An 18th-century Ethiopian ceremonial crown, one of the 20 in existence, is returned to Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed. It was discovered in the Netherlands in 1998, and was held by Dutch authorities until now so it could be returned when the country was more politically stable. (BBC) Business and economy Morgan Stanley purchases electronic trading firm E-Trade for US$13 billion, in the largest banking deal since the 2008 financial crisis. (The Guardian) Disasters and accidents 2020 Wallan derailment A XPT train derails in Victoria, Australia, killing two people. (The Guardian) A 200-car pileup in La Prairie, Quebec, Canada, kills two people and injures 69 others. (News AU) Health and environment 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak South Korea reports its first death from COVID-19. (Sputnik) Two Japanese passengers who were on board of the Diamond Princess cruise ship have died from the disease. Both, a man and a woman in their 80s, had underlying health conditions. (BBC) Australia extends its ban on travel from China for the fourth week in a row. (The Guardian) International relations The Guardian reveals that Australian ambassador to Myanmar Andrea Faulkner met with Commander-in-chief of the Burmese Armed Forces Min Aung Hlaing last month to discuss improving relations between the two nations and possibly training Hlaing's officers in Australia, among others. Human Rights Watch criticized this meeting as enabling Hlaing's genocide against the Rohingya. (The Guardian) Law and crime Weeks after the First Lady of Lesotho Maesiah Thabane was arrested and charged with the killing of former First Lady Lipolelo Thabane, it is announced that current Prime Minister of Lesotho Tom Thabane will also be charged with the murder in the upcoming hours. He also announced he will be stepping down at the end of July citing old age. (Reuters) Criminal charges brought in the Special Counsel investigation (2017–2019) U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia Judge Amy Berman Jackson sentences Roger Stone, long-time adviser and ally to the President of the United States Donald Trump, to 40 months in federal prison for seven charges of obstruction, lying to Congress and witness tampering. (CNN) (BBC) New Mexican Attorney General Hector Balderas sues Google for allegedly collecting private information of the state's schoolchildren without parental consent. (Reuters) Politics and elections 2020 Dominican Republic municipal elections Protests happen in major Dominican Republic cities over the election problems. (Dominican Today) Col. Ramón A. Guzmán and Claro telecom technician Manuel Antonio Regalado were arrested for the election sabotage. (Dominican Today) South Sudanese President Salva Kiir Mayardit and SPLM-IO leader Riek Machar agree to form a unity government by Saturday, in a major step to end the South Sudanese Civil War. (Al Jazeera) The California State Legislature unanimously passes a resolution apologizing for the state's role in interning Japanese-Americans during World War II. (The Guardian) Aftermath of the 2020 Irish general election The 33rd Dáil Éireann meets for the election of the Taoiseach (head of government) and Ceann Comhairle (speaker of parliament). Seán Ó Fearghaíl of Fianna Fáil is re-elected as Ceann Comhairle. No candidate for Taoiseach attains the 80 votes required to form a government. The Dáil adjourns until March 5. (RTÉ) Incumbent Taoiseach Leo Varadkar offers his resignation to President Michael D. Higgins, but will remain as Taoiseach in a caretaker capacity until the formation of a new government. (Sky News)

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(Posted) RD: Peter Dreher

Article: Peter Dreher (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Badische Neueste Nachrichten
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: German painter, famous for a series of painting the same thing more than 5,000 times, exhibited internationally. For a change, I trimmed the article - tagged with multiple problems - to like a fifth of its former size, leaving sourced things. If someone is inclined to source more: welcome. Please dont' use a site which is a mirror of this (former version), though. Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:42, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

• Posted. Let the WTFBBQ commence! El_C 13:11, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Comment - obligatory WTFBBQ. This seems pretty thinly sourced and more appropriate for the German Wikipedia, but hasn't even been posted there. - Indefensible (talk) 06:10, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

• What specific statements still need sourcing? Also, any article of sufficient quality is eligible for RD, it doesn't matter what the German Wikipedia does.-- P-K3 (talk) 14:48, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

• There wasn't a single person supporting this between its posting and its nomination, and even the poster anticipated "WTFBBQ" as a reaction. While the subject was notable enough to have an article, it was start-class and deemed low importance, with only 5 references of which only 1 is in English. The fact that there is only 1 English ref and that there was no posting in the subject's native language Wikipedia suggests low notability. So the nomination seemed lacking in support and significance. - Indefensible (talk) 01:49, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

  That position is indefensible I'm afraid! 😎 RDs can't be opposed on significance, only on quality and referencing. 5 refs of which 1 is English, and start class, are probably sufficient. If you really think it's not notable then AFD is the place, but here we generally assume it's notable unless very obviously not.  — Amakuru (talk) 02:04, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

The nomination still lacked any support between the posting and the nomination, regardless of significance. But if that is really the case, that means anyone who has a start or better class Wikipedia article who dies should be posted, which is obviously not the case. If an article has sections that lack ref'ing, they should just be removed so that the remaining content is fully ref'd. - Indefensible (talk) 04:11, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Dominican Republic Election 2020

Article: 2020 Dominican Republic municipal elections (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Protests happen in major Dominican Republic cities over the election problems.
News source(s): (Dominican Today) (Dominican Today 2nd)
Credits:

• Nominated by Elijahandskip (talk • give credit)

Nominator's comments: I am nominating this as protests are happening over the election being halted due to problems. People are being arrested. (Blurb might need to be updated) Elijahandskip (talk) 19:56, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

• AGF, I'm going to make some suppositions about how this sort of nom goes. The election (and its suspension) will not be seen as sufficiently significant. Protests are non-stop around the world right now, so those are not significant per se, though the size of crowds (not documented yet) would be considered. Deaths are significant, but the passive voice ("left at least two dead") suggests less malicious intent (a heart attack, maybe?). This could develop in to something, but it's not there yet. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:00, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
• Comment: These are sub-national elections, so would not normally be posted. Sufficiently major protests could be a blurb of the own, but there is one sentence about them in the nominated article. The two Dominica Today links provided have just a few sentences, and the international media haven't paid any attention. Unless I'm missing something, that does not indicate sufficiently major protests. Modest Genius ^talk 20:20, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
  • The article now has a decent section on the protests. However the Miami Herald source used there (the only one I can read) says there were 'hundreds' of protesters. That's substantial but protests with hundreds of thousands usually don't make it onto ITN. I'm afraid I must oppose this nomination. Modest Genius ^talk 11:56, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per Modest Genius' explanation which is well accurate. – Ammarpad (talk) 05:36, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per Modest Genius. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 07:42, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
• Comment The OAS is now investigating the situation. I doubt this makes a difference, but this now involved the United States and other countries. Elijahandskip (talk) 15:42, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
• Comment Protests begin outside of the Dominican Republic because of the election problems. It is now very notable. Elijahandskip (talk) 17:06, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
• Comment - Elijahandskip, by "OAS" I assume you mean the Organization of American States. It seems that the election has been postponed to March 15 though and the situation has largely resolved for the time being until that date. Per what Modest Genius wrote this probably does not meet the threshold for posting even with the additional protests currently, but perhaps it is part of something larger as you wrote that should be documented in a separate article. - Indefensible (talk) 05:35, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Wallan derailment

Article: 2020 Wallan derailment (talk, history)
Blurb: ​An XPT train (example pictured) derails near Wallan, Victoria, Australia, killing two people and injuring twelve.
News source(s): (Sydney Morning Herald)
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Mjroots (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: There is no such thing as WP:MINIMUMDEATHS, so let's not cite the lack of deaths as a reason to oppose. This appears to be the first fatal accident for the XPT (am open to correction on this), which adds some significance if correct. Mjroots (talk) 16:07, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose not particularly encyclopedically notable. Accidents happen when people try to rush. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 17:02, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

I call into question the validity and relevance of this justification for opposition. Labelling the fatal derailment as an accident caused by the driver "rushing" (which has not been confirmed by the Australian Transport Safety Bureau) does not make this event any less notable. ChocolateTrain (talk) 11:10, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Call it into question as much as you like. It's simply not that notable. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 13:43, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Still not picked up by a majority of worldwide agencies, don't see much notability here, sorry. --qedk (t 桜 c) 17:08, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

  To be fair, it has.[6][7][8][9] --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 17:55, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

The vast majority of the non-American part of the world's media ignores college football. These arguments are silly. HiLo48 (talk) 23:18, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose – Per TRM. Unfortunate, but a comparatively minor accident. – Sca (talk) 18:41, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Despite what it may seem, this accident was certainly not minor. In fact, looking at the photographs of the incident, it is surprising that there were not more casualties. The entire train (except for the trailing locomotive) derailed, causing the front locomotive to fall onto its side, and the first four (out of five) passenger cars to buckle. The train has ripped off the tracks from the ground, and appears to have ploughed through up to 100 metres of trees on the side of the tracks. This is not a minor derailment. ChocolateTrain (talk) 11:26, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

The term is relative. From a railroading perspective, the damage could be considered major, but in terms of fatalities (which are important, regardless of what anyone says) it was far down the list of current events in the world in which we live. – Sca (talk) 15:17, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

PS: AFAIK, the jargony term "XPT" would not be understood by a majority of readers. – Sca (talk) 15:20, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support With Blurb Fix I support as it is notable, but the blurb is wrong. The official report was 2 dead and 69 injured. (Check current events portal). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elijahandskip (talk • contribs) 19:51, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
  • The 2 dead, 69 injured refers to a motorway pile-up in Canada. Mjroots (talk) 20:19, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support with blurb fix: As indicated by the nominator, this incident caused two fatalities and 12 injuries, which certainly makes it notable. As far as I can see, this also appears to be the first fatal derailment of a loaded passenger train in Australia since 2003. A fatal passenger train derailment is inherently notable due to the fact that rail travel is, by several metrics, one of the safest forms of transportation in the world. Regarding the blurb, it should read "derails" rather than "is derailed", because the latter suggests that the train was deliberately caused to derail. ChocolateTrain (talk) 11:06, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

The blurb has now been updated, so I have removed my suggestion for the blurb alteration. ChocolateTrain (talk) 14:35, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

• Question Was this a case of a SPAD, or is it too early to say? Does that have any bearing on notability? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:43, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

What is known so far is that the signalling system was in a degraded condition due to a previous fire in an equipment hut. Trains were being diverted into a passing loop as work was being carried out on the other track. Both driver and pilotman were killed. First fatalities on an XPT since introduction in 1982. Mjroots (talk) 14:20, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

The "pilotman" was a woman. It doesn't seem to be Australian English. HiLo48 (talk) 23:22, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

@Martinevans123: At the moment, it is definitely too early to say for sure. Although, it does seem clear from the photographs that the train derailed at a set of points. After the crash, a passenger on the train apparently walked back and discovered that the points were set to direct the train onto a passing loop on the left. News reports indicate that the signalling system on the entire stretch of line from Donnybrook to Kilmore (about 30 km, by my rough measurement) was inoperable due to a fire two weeks prior, and the points were also being operated manually. I would assume that this meant the driver did not know that the train was due to be directed off the main tracks (these points had been set to straight for the last few weeks apparently) and thus did not slow down. The speed limit for this set of points is apparently 15 km/h, and according to a passenger estimate, the train was accelerating through roughly 80–90 km/h when it reached the points. So, I guess it is a result of poor maintenance of the signalling facilities and a breakdown in communication between the driver and the main control centre. Clearly, going 600% of the speed limit is not going to end well. Ironically (but certainly not in a humorous sense), one of the two people who died had actually just boarded the train to assist the driver in navigating the section of track in question. Very sad indeed. ChocolateTrain (talk) 14:33, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the very clear summary. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:41, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

No worries. Of course, this is all just speculation until the accident report is published. ChocolateTrain (talk) 15:25, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose WP:MINIMUMDEATHS was a cynical attempt to criticize the necessary parsing of borderline cases. Nothing about that kerfuffle changes the accepted consensus (globally, not just at WP) that a disaster with a high death toll is more significant than one without. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:15, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

• So if there was another disaster, with three dead, this one would lose out. But there isn't. Or do we need to wait for one with 12 deaths to trump Hanau? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:25, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

• @GreatCaesarsGhost: whilst it is accepted that the more deaths there are = greater weight to the case for notability, I do not accept that a lack of deaths = a lack of notability. In this case, we have the first fatal accident to those on a particular type of train in 38 years. This, and possibly the cause of the accident, is what give weight to the case for notability. In anyone thinks the accident is not notable, the AfD is thattaway! Mjroots (talk) 14:29, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

I agree with @Mjroots. Claiming that an incident is not notable due to a lack of fatalities based on the premise that a large number of fatalities implies notability is a logical fallacy—specifically, denying the antecedent—and is therefore logically invalid. An incident need not have copious fatalities for it to be notable. To assess notability, one must consider the nature of the incident itself and what it represents rather than just looking one-dimensionally at the number of fatalities. For example, this accident took place in Australia, where events like this are rare occurrences. By my check, this is the first fatal derailment of a loaded passenger train in Australia since 2003, and according to the nominator, the first death on the XPT in its entire history. ChocolateTrain (talk) 14:49, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Since you missed the strawman you were aiming at and hit me, allow me to clarify. The logical fallacy is "There is no such thing as WP:MINIMUMDEATHS, so let's not cite the lack of deaths as a reason to oppose." The extent to which a disaster results in deaths or financial loss is material to the significance of that disaster. It's not the only thing that's material, but preemptively dictating that it is not up for discussion is a bad faith argument. GreatCaesarsGhost 17:42, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

True. I agree with your comment regarding the WP:MINIMUMDEATHS thing in that the number of deaths definitely impacts on the perceived severity of the disaster. My point is more that (and I realise that you did concede this, so I'm not trying to be argumentative) the number of deaths is not the only thing which contributes to an accident being notable. I disagree that the WP:MINIMUMDEATHS comment was made in bad faith, though. Cynical? Sure. But cynicism only arises when there are things which fuel it. I think the nominator was just trying to say that the nomination shouldn't be rejected solely on the basis of the fatality count. Anyway, I think we've said enough on this issue. ChocolateTrain (talk) 19:04, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support An entire train derailment seems unusual and the article, while short, is sufficient to post.-- P-K3 (talk) 14:32, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
• Strong oppose because of grammatical issue whether is just XPT or have a long form name, what is the abbreviation of XPT? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.245.214.207 (talk) 14:47, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

It is short for Express Passenger Train. It is just what the train is called. It is not a grammatical issue. ChocolateTrain (talk) 14:50, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

XPT is its common name. It's the Australian equivalent of the British HST, which it was based on. Mjroots (talk) 14:55, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

IP180. You don't need to oppose. You just need a different blurb. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:01, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

If IP180 doesn't adjust this. I trust the assessing admin will see it's not a "strong oppose" to posting per se. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:07, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Ok, thank you for the explanation. I now Support it to be posted. 180.245.214.207 (talk) 22:16, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Reading what our article says, this is a case of an accident that had some unfortunate deaths but could have been a lot worse (as described by most reports). That "lot worse" is where we would have posted as it would have been a mass death accident but right now this is just a unfortunate case of a lot of things gone wrong in the prior 24hr. --Masem (t) 15:03, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
• Marking ready - IMvHO, the strength of the supports outweighs the weak opposing arguments. Mjroots (talk) 16:00, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

'Weak' and 'strong,' to say nothing of the frothy variants 'very strong' or 'strongest possible,' are meaningless in terms of votes on ITN nominations. – Sca (talk) 18:03, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

• Bad form. With six opposes and three supports, this is hardly clearcut "ready" for posting, and you shouldn't be judging consensus on your own nominations, especially in such circumstances. Deary me. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 16:09, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Two of the opposes are of the form "I haven't seen this in my local news", which we all know is not a valid reason to oppose. If this page was properly administered, and Admin would instantly delete such rubbish comments. HiLo48 (talk) 22:05, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

• I now count four supports. Although we all know it's not a !vote, etc. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:18, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

  It was six weak opposes vs four strong supports (my nom counts, remember). It is not bad form to mark one's own nom as ready, as it merely indicates to other, uninvolved, admins that a decision is needed. Posting it would be, and an abuse of the tools, which is why I will never do it. Now six weak opposes vs five strong supports. Mjroots (talk) 16:20, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

  Nonsense. The strength of support/oppose is up to the assessing admin, and should not be up to the nominator to even really comment upon, let alone attempt to claim ready to post when the opposition clearly outnumbers the support. If the nomination has a consensus, it'll be assessed and posted by an independent admin. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 16:44, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

  As this is not the first time we've disagreed over this issue, I've raised a discussion at WT:ITN, where all editors are encouraged to participate. Mjroots (talk) 17:28, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

  So perhaps show the courtesy to the community to allow the discussion to continue before going ahead and doing what you were going to do regardless. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 19:07, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support - This is ITN worthy. Deaths, plenty of coverage. Article is not long but sufficient. BabbaQ (talk) 16:04, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support per the argument that they are the first deaths in the history of the line, starting in 1982. Kees08 (Talk) 17:18, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

  Kees08 first deaths on board the XPT, not on the line in question, but thanks for you support. Mjroots (talk) 17:30, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

• Would an uninvolved admin please decide whether the strength of arguments in favour of posting outweigh the strength of arguments opposing posting and post this, or indicat that further discussion is required? Mjroots (talk) 18:26, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Maybe we could get Paul Theroux to rule on this. In The Old Pategonian Express he talks, rather nervously, about train wrecks. – Sca (talk) 18:41, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

• • Admin comment: Doesn't look like there is consensus at this time and I am continuing keeping the discussion open for a little bit longer. The nomination has been open for just over 24 hours at this point, and it's not unreasonable to allow discussion to continue a little longer. Spencer^T•C 19:04, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
    • Thank you, Spencer. Let the discussion continue then... Mjroots (talk) 19:07, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Oppose. I see this as similar to the recent Caspian Airlines nomination - a transport accident which could have been horrific, but is mostly a near-miss. This is tragic for the two crew members who died, but we can't post every transport accident that causes two deaths. I agree with Masem, the impact of this crash seems to be thankfully minor. Users shouldn't mark their own nominations as ready, especially if it requires dismissing some of the opinions expressed (whatever one might think of them). Modest Genius ^talk 20:15, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support because there nowhere train incidents like this in Australia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.137.187.159 (talk) 07:29, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support Seems sufficiently notable to me, especially since in today’s OTD there is a modern (2007) train derailment with only one fatality. In the first world and modern age, even non-fatal train derailments are very unusual and make waves in news. Kingsif (talk) 22:57, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per TRM and Modest Genius. I get the fact that train and plane accidents are usually far more talked about than car accidents with equivalent fatalities, but even so this one doesn't seem to rise to the level that makes it front-page ITN news. And as much as it may be making waves in some media around the world, I can say anecdotally that I have not encountered this story anywhere in my perusal of the news in recent days.  — Amakuru (talk) 23:31, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

And I NEVER see American football finals mentioned in the Australian media. Nor, probably, do you in yours. But we still post it. HiLo48 (talk) 23:42, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

What, you mean the Super Bowl? That gets a surprising amount of coverage here these days, which may irritate some people. And It looks like it featured on the main page of your news sites in Aus too. Anyway, my point on that was mainly in response to the contention above that this is "making waves around the world",not saying that my having heard of it directly impacts its postability.  — Amakuru (talk) 01:16, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

No. Sorry. I meant college football, as I had already mentioned earlier in this discussion. HiLo48 (talk) 02:32, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Oh, I see. Well I opposed the college football too, so you can't blame me on that one  — Amakuru (talk) 08:30, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose - the similar Livraga derailment on 6 February 2020 in Italy was nominated and not posted; posting this event would be inconsistent with the most comparable precedent. - Indefensible (talk) 05:49, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose, posting such a minor train derailment would be problematic since there are a slew of massacres and other mass death events in the last few days that haven't been nominated. People could say this is because they are happening in the third world. Abductive (reasoning) 05:50, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Fix it then! Write the articles and nominate them. What a ridiculous reason to oppose = OTHERSTUFFDONTEXIST. Mjroots (talk) 13:35, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
    • The articles exist, but people refrained from nominating them here, as you should have with this article. Abductive (reasoning) 02:28, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
      • Ah, so it was OTHERSTUFFNOTNOMINATED then. Of course this should have been nominated - major rail accident in Australia, first on-board deaths on XPT in nearly 40 years. Since nomination, further details have come to light which mean we can add in underlying causes as a further reason. Mjroots (talk) 06:34, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• Comment – Getting stale. Suggest close. – Sca (talk) 15:26, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

• It isn't stale at all, we still have a mass shooting from February 9 listed.-- P-K3 (talk) 15:53, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support I come from the city this happened close to, so I was well aware of the incident before I saw it here. I didn't think of nominating it, and was surprised to see it here. However, the number of appalling reasons people are using to oppose this has led me post this support !vote to balance out the idiocy, bias and ignorance in the rest of the thread. (When will the Admins who watch here do something about the massive proliferation of rubbish posts?) HiLo48 (talk) 22:10, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) New Zealander of the Year Awards

Thanks for the nomination, but this does not have consensus to post. 331dot (talk) 17:14, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Articles: New Zealander of the Year Awards (talk, history) and Jennifer Ward-Lealand (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Jennifer Ward-Lealand is named New Zealander of the Year.
News source(s): (TVNZ)
Credits:

• Nominated by Elijahandskip (talk • give credit)

Nominator's comments: New Zealand big award that is done annually. Elijahandskip (talk) 13:48, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose. Local news. Good for DYK. MSN12102001 (talk) 13:53, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

  While I agree it's not suitable for ITN, it's also not good for DYK under any criteria used there. Gʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ^ˣ 14:22, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

• Extremely regretful oppose - I wish we could have more ITN stories from my home country...--WaltCip (talk) 13:59, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose referencing issues. Not one citation for the filmography, for example. --Jayron32 14:11, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose We are generally not going to post any national honorary titles unless there's more to the news about them. --Masem (t) 14:14, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose sorry, but doesn't rise to the level of English Wikipedia's main page notability. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 17:02, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Per above. Also suggest closing this per WP:SNOW. --qedk (t 桜 c) 17:10, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

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(Posted) 2020 Hanau shootings

Article: 2020 Hanau shootings (talk, history)
Blurb: ​At least nine people are killed and several more are wounded during shootings in Hanau, Germany.
News source(s): The Guardian, DW, Express, CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by SirEdimon (talk • give credit)
• Created by SamHolt6 (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Article was just created (hence, it's a stub), but I think the event is notable. --SirEdimon (talk) 23:46, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support. Brand news. BUT It is still a stub. It needs development. MSN12102001 (talk) 00:39, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support On notability and quality (two shooting blurbs on at the same time is a bit grim, though). Tweaked blurb.  Nixinova   T   C   01:24, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
• Wait a few hours just to see what additional news will come in, but on importance, this is appropriate to post assuming that the 8 reported deaths hold up. --Masem (t) 01:51, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Apparently they have found the gunman dead in his home, so the "event" is over, though I've seen a death tool as high as 11. Either way, likely can be posted in a few hours.--Masem (t) 06:57, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
• Wait It's a stub and there is more that we don't know than what we do. Things are developing rapidly. Better to wait until we know what the bleep has happened and we have a credible article to link to. Obviously this will get posted once we have solid information and an article of adequate quality. But ITN is not a news service so there is no rush. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:56, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support after expansion - clearly notable. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 07:49, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support Have added some minor info. Not that much known yet, but can be posted imo, since editors are on it and constantly updating. Please refrain from calling it a right-wing attack in the infobox yet, so far, that is just speculation. Zwerg Nase (talk) 09:24, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose because of grammatical issue whether it is "nine" in alphabetical form or "9" in numeric form, but I Support it for quality and notability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.245.214.207 (talk) 11:35, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

  That's a really strange reason to oppose, doubly so because Wikipedia rules mandate that Integers from zero to nine are spelled out in words. --Jayron32 13:11, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support As of now, article has been expanded enough is, of sufficient quality and item is being reported sufficiently in news sources. Looks good to go. --Jayron32 13:13, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
• Posted - Fuzheado | Talk 14:05, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
• Post-posting comment – Current blurb says "at least ten" (10). The practice of including the shooter, who killed himself, seems decidedly odd. Further, all the extensive RS coverage I've seen quotes official sources as saying he killed nine people, so "at least" seems inadvisable as it gives the impression we don't know how many were killed. (True, there is one person who was "seriously" injured, but we don't know whether that person is likely to die.). – Sca (talk) 15:31, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

PS: However, I see German Wiki's ITN blurb now says 11 "lost their lives" ("sind elf Menschen gestorben"), so maybe Eng.-lang sources will update soon. – Sca (talk) 15:55, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

I would oppose phrasing it like that. Yes, 11 people are dead, but one of them is the killer who killed 10 (other) people. Regards SoWhy 16:00, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

@Sca: So far, he has killed 10 people. And himself. Makes 11. I agree that it is a little confusing for the reader that the main page says ten and the article lead says 11, even though it makes sense. Zwerg Nase (talk) 15:53, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

• Comment - Could someone give the "credits"?--SirEdimon (talk) 21:50, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

• Done. Black Kite (talk) 21:54, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: José Mojica Marins

Article: José Mojica Marins (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Folha de S. Paulo (in Portuguese), Bloody Disgusting
Credits:

• Nominated by SirEdimon (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Brazilian actor and filmmaker, famous for creating and playing Coffin Joe. The article has some issues, but I'll be working on it. --SirEdimon (talk) 23:00, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support, though the article does need some improvements. I'll try to help improve it in the morning. —Matthew - (talk) 06:32, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Comment: I've made some improvements, including adjusting and expanding upon much of the text, adding several citations (and a Bibliography subsection), and removing references to IMDb outside of the External links section. It isn't perfect, but we're aiming for a RD entry right now, not good or featured article status. —Matthew - (talk) 15:57, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

@MatthewHoobin: I believe we generally require citations in the filmography section. Kees08 (Talk) 20:40, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

@Kees08: Done. —Matthew - (talk) 21:21, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose article needs proper and thorough referencing. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 07:49, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
• Posted I believe all of TRM's concerns are addressed, give me a ping if there are any outstanding problems that would require pulling. Kees08 (Talk) 21:26, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

(Stale) RD: Heather Couper

Article: Heather Couper (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

• Nominated by Carcharoth (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: News of her death was published today and the article looks in reasonable shape. Carcharoth (talk) 18:51, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose many references missing, and I'm not sure I saw any prose relating to her death. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 19:13, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose - still work needed to be done.BabbaQ (talk) 16:06, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
• Comment - her death is noted, not in great detail but more than what is on Fernando Morán (politician)'s article. What other work specifically is still needed BabbaQ? - Indefensible (talk) 03:19, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
• Soft oppose - filmography table is unsourced and there is only a single sentence about her death. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:37, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose based on the other opposes, citation needed tags, and an uncited awards section Kees08 (Talk) 17:54, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Pop Smoke

Article: Pop Smoke (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): [10]
Credits:

• Nominated by TwinTurbo (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Rapper from United States who recently signed a record deal with Republic and numerous charted singles and mixtapes  — TwinTurbo (talk) 12:06, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support - I can't see any issues with the citing or article quality.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:23, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
• Wait - The primary source for his death is TMZ. Pitchfork, a more reliable source [11] has TMZ as its lead and says "allegedly killed", "reportedly pronounced dead", "Pitchfork has reached out to representatives for more information". The article has no problems for the rest of it, but there is no police, hospital or management confirmation of his death thus far. Unknown Temptation (talk) 15:27, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

As of 15:30 GMT all coverage is either tabloid or says "reportedly", or even has "death" in inverted commas. [12] Unknown Temptation (talk) 15:32, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Not against waiting on a better source than TMZ, but in terms of reporting on deaths, TMZ has fixed their reputation of jumping the gun. I'd still wouldn't rush to put in a death based only on TMZ, but I would be expected to see other sources to confirm within a short time. --Masem (t) 16:44, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

NBC News are also reporting it, citing multiple sources who've spoken to them.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:54, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support - Death being reported by reliable sources. Also, TMZ is typically a reliable source for celebrity deaths (see 2020 Calabasas helicopter crash) so it shouldn't be downplayed as a source. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 17:49, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
  • I was just point out that, say, 15-20 years ago, TMZ was known to jump the gun in its rush to be first and ended up w/ egg on their face (see cases on List of premature obituaries). They're still rushing to be first, but they do try to get firm confirmation before posting. --Masem (t) 19:29, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support good to go. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 19:12, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support Good to go indeed.BabbaQ (talk) 19:42, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
• Posted - Fuzheado | Talk 20:40, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Fernando Morán

Article: Fernando Morán (politician) (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): El Pais (in Spanish)
Credits:

• Nominated by Amakuru (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Former Spanish minister of foreign affairs, from 1982 to 1985  — Amakuru (talk) 10:42, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

*Oppose because unknown for their nationality whether Spanish or Catalan but Support for well-referenced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 36.69.53.66 (talk) 12:00, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

• • What?--SirEdimon (talk) 13:31, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
    • Yes, his nationality whether Spanish or Catalan needs to reveal before posting to RD. Yet I support it to posted despite nationality issues. 36.69.53.66 (talk) 13:45, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

      Please could you explain a bit more what you want us to "reveal"? Because your point isn't clear to me. (1) the guy was born in Aviles, which is on the northern coast of Spain, nowhere near Catalonia. (2) even if he was from Catalonia, he'd still be Spanish as for the time being (unless and until it goes independent) Catalonia is still part of Spain. (3) the article does say his nationality, and it says he's Spanish. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 13:57, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

      • Ok, thank you for information and I now Support it to be posted because it is very notable for Spanish politics. 36.69.53.66 (talk) 14:30, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support start-class but what's there is satis. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 13:22, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support Notable especially because was the MFA he who led the negotiations for the accession of Spain into the current European Union and what this meant for this country. (Alsoriano97) (talk) 16:30, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 22:31, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

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