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This page provides a forum for editors to suggest items for inclusion on In the news (ITN), a protected template on the Main Page, as well as the forum for discussion of candidates. This is not the page to report errors in the ITN section on the Main Page—please go to the appropriate section at WP:ERRORS. Archives of past nominations can be found here.

This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. Under each daily section header below is the transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day (with a light green header). Each day's portal page is followed by a subsection for suggestions and discussion.

A blurb is a one sentence summary of the news story. An alternate suggestion for the blurb is called an altblurb, and any more suggestions get labelled alt1, alt2, etc. A blurb needs at least one target article, highlighted in bold; reviewers check the quality of that article and whether it is updated, and whether reliable sources demonstrate the significance of the event. Other articles can also be linked. The Ongoing line is for regularly updated articles which cover events that remain in the news over a longer period of time. RD stands for the "recent deaths" line, and can include any living thing whose death was recently announced. In some cases, recent deaths may need additional explanation as provided by a blurb; this is decided by consensus.

Satellite composite animation of the Hunga Tonga eruption
Hunga Tonga eruption

How to nominate an item[edit]

In order to suggest a candidate:

  • Update an article to be linked to from the blurb to include the recent developments, or find an article that has already been updated.
  • Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated).
    • Do not add sections for new dates. These are automatically generated (at midnight UTC) by a bot; creating them manually breaks this process.
  • Nominate the blurb for ITN inclusion under the "Suggestions" subheading for the date, emboldening the link in the blurb to the updated article. Use a level 4 header (====) when doing so.
    • Preferably use the template {{ITN candidate}} to nominate the article related to the event in the news. Make sure that you include a reference from a verifiable, reliable secondary source. Press releases are not acceptable. The suggested blurb should be written in simple present tense.
    • Adding an explanation why the event should be posted greatly increases the odds of posting.
  • Please consider alerting editors to the nomination by adding the template {{ITN note}} to the corresponding article's talk page.

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There are criteria which guide the decision on whether or not to put a particular item on In the news, based largely on the extensiveness of the updated content and the perceived significance of the recent developments. These are listed at WP:ITN.

Submissions that do not follow the guidelines at Wikipedia:In the news will not be placed onto the live template.

Headers[edit]

  • Items that have been posted or pulled from the main page are generally marked with (Posted) or (Pulled) in the item's subject so it is clear they are no longer active.
  • Items can also be marked as (Ready) when the article is both updated and there seems to be a consensus to post. The posting admin, however, should always judge the update and the consensus to post themselves. If you find an entry that you don't feel is ready to post is marked (Ready), you should remove the mark in the header.

Voicing an opinion on an item[edit]

  • Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated.

Please do not...[edit]

  1. add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are usually not helpful. Instead, explain the reasons why you think the item meets or does not meet the ITN inclusion criteria so a consensus can be reached.
  2. oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive.
  3. accuse other editors of supporting, opposing or nominating due to a personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). Conflicts of interest are not handled at ITN.
  4. comment on a story without first reading the relevant article(s).
  5. oppose a recurring item here because you disagree with the recurring items criteria. The criteria can be discussed at the relevant talk page.
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January 18[edit]

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January 17[edit]

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RD: Birju Maharaj[edit]

Article: Birju Maharaj (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Indian Express
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian dancer. Article requires some work. Ktin (talk) 04:31, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

2022 Afghanistan earthquake[edit]

Article: 2022 Afghanistan earthquake (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​A 5.3 magnitude earthquake in Qadis, Afghanistan kills at least 26 people. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​26 people are killed during a 5.3. earthquake in Qadis, Afghanistan.
News source(s): Al Jazeera
Credits:

Article updated

 ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 21:36, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

  • Support – 26 deaths and the extent of destruction is easily notable even if the magnitude is smaller than 6.0 Mw. Haven't had an earthquake ITN since that Oct 5.9 in Pakistan which also resulted in a similar extent of damage and casualties. --Dora the Axe-plorer (explore the morgue) 21:59, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose Afghanistan has earthquakes like some places have rain. Not saying this death and destruction is insignificant. But by Afghan, earthquake and Afghan earthquake standards, it lacks oomph. It was also two earthquakes. Hard to know if the stronger was deadlier. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:06, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

RD: Rasheed Naz[edit]

Article: Rasheed Naz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Khaleej Times, DAWN, Geo TV
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Ainty Painty (talk) 11:35, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

  • Oppose – Stub – 190 words of text. – Sca (talk) 13:29, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Not Ready per Sca. Additionally, the non text sections are completely unreferenced. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:34, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Fuel truck explosion in Abu Dhabi[edit]

Article: 2022 Abu Dhabi attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​A fuel truck explosion near Abu Dhabi airport kills three people, and Houthi forces claim responsibility for the attack. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

Article needs updating

 wleightond 14:04, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

  • Oppose not mentioned in article listed. Events that aren't notable enough for their own article won't be notable enough for ITN. And don't currently see lots of news coverage about it. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:46, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose due to absence of article, neutral on significance the most significant thing here is that the UAE hasn't seen any terror attacks in years as it's a relatively peaceful country. Heck, I can't recall any terror attacks at this scale that happened there in the last 15 years. Tube·of·Light 15:11, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
Update: according to Gulf News, there was a minor fire at Abu Dhabi Intl Airport that could have been caused by this attack. Tube·of·Light 15:17, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
Update:Oppose due to article length Article has very little information as it is. Tube·of·Light 03:00, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose per above. We generally do not post events that don't have their own article. Unsure if this even justifies an article. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:37, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose without standalone article. 331dot (talk) 21:24, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Comment Now has standalone article. Ionmars10 (talk) 02:17, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support - Only if background is added. Looks well-referenced. Notable since first attack of foreign entity on UAE soil. Sherenk1 (talk) 04:50, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

January 16[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

Sports


RD: Ibrahim Boubacar Keïta[edit]

Article: Ibrahim Boubacar Keïta (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Ousted president of Mali. Article is orange-tagged and needs some work. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 12:23, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

  • Support Every paragraph looks sourced now, orange tag gone. Brandmeistertalk 21:02, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support Much improved. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:57, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

RD: Shinji Mizushima[edit]

Article: Shinji Mizushima (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Nikkan Sports (Japanese)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Japanese manga artist, known for baseball manga Abu-san and Dokaben. According to the Nikkan Sports, in 2019 and 2020 he was one of candidates for Japanese Baseball Hall of Fame balloting (but not elected). He died on January 10, but his death announced on January 17 (JST). --133.232.197.102 (talk) 03:20, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Charles McGee (Tuskegee Airman)[edit]

Article: Charles McGee (Tuskegee Airman) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Military Times, NBC4 Washington, US Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin (via Twitter), AP, BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Purposely leaving the pipe in the header so you see he was one of the last Tuskegee Airmen. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:19, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

  • Support The article is rated B-class and looks fine. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:43, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support No major issues. [Memory eternal.] -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:44, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support Article looks to be in good shape. AviationFreak💬 04:16, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support. BD2412 T 04:50, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support, Randy Kryn (talk) 05:11, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
  • I would suggest that the title of the article is not consistent with how disambiguation should be made. It's POV-ish in that the more concise title is just "(pilot)". --Masem (t) 05:41, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
    Seems to have been moved to current title in 2020 per Talk:Charles_McGee_(Tuskegee_Airman)#Title_of_article.—Bagumba (talk) 07:04, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support I think that "Charles McGee (Tuskegee Airman)" is okay because that is part of the notability. Peaceray (talk) 06:38, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
  • PostedBagumba (talk) 07:04, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

RD: Paul Myners[edit]

Article: Paul Myners, Baron Myners (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 16:57, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

  • Not Quite Ready Article is not in dreadful shape. But there are a handful of cites needed before we can post this. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:49, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

January 15[edit]

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Sports


RD: Jean-Claude Lord[edit]

Article: Jean-Claude Lord (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC News; Montreal Gazette; La Presse (in French)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 07:07, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

  • Support Article is solid and well referenced. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:46, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

RD: Ed Cheff[edit]

Article: Ed Cheff (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Spokesman-Review
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Short, but should be complete – Muboshgu (talk) 00:31, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

  • Support Short but adequate. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:50, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Marlon Bundo[edit]

Article: Marlon Bundo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): 24.hu ANSA CNN Politico
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: former bunny of the united states. announcement made on this date, though exact date of death appears unclear. article appears to be in decent shape. dying (talk) 07:58, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

  • Support, article looks good and is fully cited. feminist (talk) 11:17, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support Looks ready. ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 16:54, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support Article is good. Condolences to Wesley. Davey2116 (talk) 18:18, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support But I guess not a Thatcher or Mandela rabbit, so no bunny blurb. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:35, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 21:00, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
  • PP Comment It's rather sad when we have a much better article about a pet rabbit than a recently deceased former Prime Minister of Japan. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:39, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
    • Hear, hear... I dare not post a 300-word start-class wikibio next to it. --PFHLai (talk) 03:37, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
    • People who read the English Wikipedia would likely be more interested in Mike Pence's pet rabbit (a topic which has remained in the English-speaking public's consciousness) than a former Japanese prime minister who served a little more than two years around the end of the Cold War. For that matter, the jawiki article for Marlon Bundo (ja:マーロン・ブンド) looks nice as well, a sign of Bundo's international impact. feminist (talk) 12:39, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) Colleyville synagogue hostage crisis[edit]

Consensus will not develop to post. Stephen 00:17, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: Colleyville synagogue hostage crisis (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​An armed individual takes four hostages in a synagogue in Colleyville, Texas. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, Star-Telegram
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Ongoing hostage situation – Muboshgu (talk) 01:25, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Comment - Let the event be over first. (PenangLion (talk) 01:44, 16 January 2022 (UTC))

  • Wait but leaning oppose. Unless this turns into something a lot bigger, these kinds of things don't normally rate ITN blurbs. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:49, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
    • Oppose Run of the mill hostage situation. No casualties, except the bad guy. Long term significance is likely nil. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:34, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Wait, borderline oppose - Adding on to Ad Orientem's point, only four people were taken hostage, and one has already been released IIRC. Given the small number, unless it escalates into a major firefight or Siddiqui does get released because of this, I don't see anything particularly blurb worthy about this. Mount Patagonia (talk) 01:58, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
    I don't believe we have a WP:MINIMUMHOSTAGES policy. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:08, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
    The point is that, assuming no further escalation occurs, there isn't much about this that makes it important enough to get it reported as a blurb on the frontpage. Mount Patagonia (talk) 02:26, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support. A threat like this has put the entire American Jewry on edge. | MK17b | (talk) 03:23, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose -- this event, while I'm sure traumatic for all involved, ended uneventfully (thankfully). It is unlikely that there will be sustained coverage on its aftermath. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 07:28, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose Per Rockstone and Ad Orientem._-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 09:33, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose – Per previous opposes. Crisis ended quietly. – Sca (talk) 13:22, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose - does not rise to the level of significance required. Can this be added to one of the current events pages? Do we even have “News in the United States”? Maybe Wikinews? Great work on the article. Thank you for it. Jehochman Talk 13:57, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Wait The new British angle makes me think it might get more newsworthy attention. It is at least intriguing. Kingsif (talk) 19:18, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Yes, the international angle will mean that the media will cover it more widely & for longer. The media & general public will be interested in Malik Faisal Akram's history in the UK & US. How he went from growing up in Blackburn, Lancashire to becoming a hostage-taker 4,600 miles away in Colleyville, Texas. Jim Michael (talk) 20:04, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
If it turns out Boris or the Queen were behind this, somebody ping me. Otherwise this was just a routine hostage situation with no wide ranging or long term significance. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:36, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
They'll be an investigation in regard to how a non-resident foreigner bought guns in the US. Other aspects of the investigation will be why Akram choose to target a synagogue, what connection he thought a synagogue in Texas had to Aafia Siddiqui & why he thought she should be released. Jim Michael (talk) 20:55, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Weak oppose Surprising as it all is, looks like this is not some new wave of cross-border Islamic antisemitic terrorism, just the synagogue was open and close to the prison. So, standard as far as hostage incidents go, and consensus suggests those are not unusual enough to go in the box. Are they? Kingsif (talk) 21:14, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
I was initially opposed to it being posted, but I'm now undecided. If he was a lone wolf & his only connection to Siddiqui is that he was a supporter of her, it isn't important enough. Jim Michael (talk) 21:27, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Noteworthy development this evening. - BREAKING: Two teenagers detained in south Manchester in relation to attack on Texas Synagogue | MK17b | (talk) 00:11, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

RD: Joe B. Hall[edit]

Article: Joe B. Hall (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo Sports
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Currently orange-tagged for citations; I'll be working on this shortly. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:08, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Alexa McDonough[edit]

Article: Alexa McDonough (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Died 15th, announced on same day. —Hcoder3104 (talk) 15:25, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

  • Wait: Promising article but multiple citations are still needed. Flibirigit (talk) 15:32, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support everything appears referenced now. NorthernFalcon (talk) 07:16, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support as per above. Ornithoptera (talk) 11:35, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support, article has no more maintenance tags and now meets citation requirements. Flibirigit (talk) 12:17, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Ready Much improved. Well done on referencing. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:14, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support article in great condition. Good job. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 14:42, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
  • PostedBagumba (talk) 17:30, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) 2022 eruption of Hunga Tonga[edit]

Proposed image
Article: 2022 Hunga Tonga eruption and tsunami (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Tonga is hit by ashfall and a tsunami after the eruption of volcano Hunga Tonga (Post)
News source(s): The Sydney Morning Herald, BBC, Guardian, France 24, AP, LAT
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Blurp per Current Events. The Capitólio rockfall article wasn't in a better state when it was posted either, and this event has arguably more global significance, so I think it's only fair. Are GIFs acceptable for ITN items? jonas (talk) 13:42, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

  • Ongoing I was posting a nomination too but Jonas got there first. The volcano has been erupting since 20 Dec so this is the latest in a series of events and there may be more to come. Ongoing may therefore be sensible as with the other recent volcanic eruptions which lasted for weeks. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:47, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support blurb and/or ongoing. The satellite image is especially interesting content. The target article seems sufficient. Jehochman Talk 13:50, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Do we have any information on deaths or financial impact? I agree the article is good, but what it is the significance? GreatCaesarsGhost 13:51, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
    • No immediate deaths (the island is unhabited) but there are tsunami warnings out at the present. --Masem (t) 13:58, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
    In the absence of reported mortality, Ongoing seems a logical choice for now. – Sca (talk) 14:10, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
PS: Somewhat underwhelming video here. - Sca (talk) 14:18, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
The article says communications are down. Jehochman Talk 14:12, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support per Jehochman Nyanardsan (talk) 15:22, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support Tsunami warning has been issued for the US West Coast. Looks like a powerful enough tsunami for it to be at least a major event, even in the (hopeful) case that casualties are limited or none. Juxlos (talk) 15:25, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support Impact spans to U.S. and Canada. Article sufficiently sourced.—Bagumba (talk) 15:42, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support regardless of ultimate death count. Top news story currently, the entire Pacific Ocean is on red alert. Large amounts of damage is inevitable. Mlb96 (talk) 16:44, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
    That's clearly speculation. Please see below. – Sca (talk) 16:58, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Wait! AP dispatch of 16:30 relates "no immediate reports of injuries" in Tonga and "no reported damage and only minor flooding" in Hawaii. Also, wave height at Monterey, Calif., put at only 8 inches (20 cm). Prudence dictates reserving judgment until this apparently weak tsunami's effects known. – Sca (talk) 16:50, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
PS: Our own article, under subhead Impact, says: "No information is yet available on the extent of damage and casualties from Tonga due to communication issues." ITN promotion of such a sketchy article would be premature. – Sca (talk) 17:54, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
Just for posterity, full quotation from the AP article: "There were no immediate reports of injuries or on the extent of the damage because all internet connectivity with Tonga was lost at about 6:40 p.m. local time, said Doug Madory, director of internet analysis for the network intelligence firm Kentik." Prism55 (talk) 18:25, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Wait Volcanoes erupt all the time. If this one is substantially larger (it appears that we are giving in a VEI 5 without citation), or it causes death/destruction it could be posted. But I'm seeing nothing that specifically indicates this is significant. GreatCaesarsGhost 16:59, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Comment Though ITN is obsessed with WP:MINIMUMDEATHS, this is already unprecedented, even if (hopefully) the damage is minimal. She said the advisory was “fairly uncommon” because it was due to a volcanic eruption and not an underwater earthquake, and because it extended to the entire West Coast.[1].—Bagumba (talk) 17:05, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
    So far, this (continuing?) geologic/marine event appears to lack general significance or major impact. Ergo, wait. – Sca (talk) 17:28, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Comment I moved the article and then saw it was in ITN/C. Will this break anything? Skarmory (talk • contribs) 17:39, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
    • Taken care of. Mjroots (talk) 17:42, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
      • Okay, I don't really know the ropes around here but I will give a Weak support, as it is definitely making plenty of news right now. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 17:46, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support blurb - making headline news world wide. Mjroots (talk) 17:40, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
So is Novak Djokovic. – Sca (talk) 17:48, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Wait I support on importance - this probably should be ITNR, but isn't. The issue is that I haven't seen a metric for how large the eruption was, or an assessment of the impact on the ground in Tonga. Most of the article is about the tsunami (and the tsunami was barely an event at all). Presumably satellite internet in Tonga will be working in the morning and we will get some sense of the situation on the ground. Also there will presumably be a better sense of the size of the eruption. User:力 (powera, π, ν)
  • Support - How much news do we end up posting from Tonga? And should we not concern ourselves with diversity of topics? A butcher's bill need not be an indication of newsworthiness.--WaltCip-(talk) 19:13, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support [Ongoing] Compares well in impact and notability to most disasters posted on ITN. Lacking known deaths/damage doesn't help the case for such an event, but also doesn't disqualify it. EDIT: modified support for ongoing due to continued eruptions and impacts. DarkSide830 (talk) 19:26, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
    Another reason to wait. – Sca (talk) 19:39, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
    It can always be shifted to Ongoing once there's consensus for that. By the time it's cleared for an ongoing tab, it could be approaching stale - if not be completely stale. I don't see the point of sitting on a nomination if it meets criteria now, just in case it goes on longer than anticipated. Canadianerk (talk) 21:32, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Posted – Consensus in favor of posting, with some suggesting to wait. This is a significant geologic event with global news coverage and impact (even if it doesn't reach WP:MINIMUMDEATHS). It could be months before the full-scale of the eruption is seen, as major volcanic events can have an impact on global climate. The magnitude of the eruption (Volcanic Explosivity Index) is undetermined so a recurrence interval is not available as of yet. Pressure fluctuations are being observed halfway across the globe (with seismographs measuring the shockwave in the Cascade Volcanoes), which is not a frequent occurrence as far as I'm aware. A blurb is most appropriate over ongoing given the main event happened within the last day. Ongoing can be discussed down the road when this item rolls off the ticker. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 20:08, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Post-posting comment – Sunday coverage includes: "Tsunami threat over after huge Pacific volcano eruption" (BBC), "Pacific tsunami threat recedes as volcano ash cloud covers Tonga" (Guardian), "Surging waters sank at least one boat in Ventura (Calif.) Harbor" (AP). As of 13:00, no casualties had been reported. – Sca (talk) 13:37, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Another large eruption detected See here. Count Iblis (talk) 03:55, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

January 14[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

Science and technology

Sports


RD: Peter Seabrook[edit]

Article: Peter Seabrook (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 2A00:23C7:2B86:9800:A0C5:599C:4B84:672 (talk) 22:47, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

  • Support Popular gardening advisor, looks fine. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:07, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose Insufficient depth of coverage. Lede starts "He wrote a gardening column in The Sun newspaper for over 40 years." but body of the article has no info about this. SpencerT•C 05:57, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Edward Roberts (Canadian politician)[edit]

Article: Edward Roberts (Canadian politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC News; Toronto Star (Canadian Press); Memorial University of Newfoundland
Credits:

Article updated
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 15:27, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

  • Support Article is solid and well referenced. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:44, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
  • More than long enough (900+ words) and with enough footnotes at expected spots, this wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 17:38, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support Eleventh lieutenant governor, good stuff. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:22, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 05:38, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Jim Fahy[edit]

Article: Jim Fahy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Irish Times; Irish Independent; RTE
Credits:

Article updated
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 10:51, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

  • Support Respectable article. Referencing is solid as is usually the case with Bloom6132's nominations. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:53, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support Looking good for RD JW 1961 Talk 11:12, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 11:15, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ronald Stewart[edit]

Article: Ronald Stewart (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CTV News; BarrieToday.com
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: First reported today (January 14); died on January 10 (i.e. provable gap of at least two days). —Bloom6132 (talk) 12:12, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

  • Support Short but adequate. No major issues. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:39, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 19:48, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Maria Aurora Couto[edit]

Article: Maria Aurora Couto (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Times of India
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Indian author. Padma Shri awardee. Article requires good amount of work before it can be ready. Edits done. Article has shaped into a nice C-class biography. Meets hygiene expectations for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 02:36, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

  • Support No major issues. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:41, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 19:47, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

RD: Toshiki Kaifu[edit]

Article: Toshiki Kaifu (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Wall Street Journal
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Japanese Prime Minister. He died on 9 January, but his death was only announced on 14 January. Fulmard (talk) 08:26, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

  • I removed some of unreferenced material and added two cn tags. The text reads solid otherwise. --Tone 09:01, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Not Ready For a change referencing is not the issue. The article is just really subpar for a former prime minister of one of the world's major countries and needs expansion. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:46, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support when ready Article is really shorter than it should be. One CN tag, but that can be fixed along with expanding it This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 00:07, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
  • The prose lacks info (and refs) on many of the subject's political office and honorary titles as shown in the infobox and the succession boxes on the wikipage. Please expand the coverage. --PFHLai (talk) 20:42, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

January 13[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

Law and crime


RD: Junior Siavii[edit]

Article: Junior Siavii (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC News
Credits:
Article updated
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 ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 03:21, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

  • There are about 8 {cn} tags in this 529-word wikibio. Please add more footnotes and refs. --PFHLai (talk) 03:40, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Jean-Jacques Beineix[edit]

Article: Jean-Jacques Beineix (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Monde
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: French film director Thriley (talk) 19:08, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

  • Not Ready for the usual reason. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:52, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Comment Citations have been added. Thriley (talk) 02:46, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support Much improved. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:55, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Citations for a few of his awards are missing. Please add more refs. --PFHLai (talk) 03:35, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 05:32, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Herbert Achternbusch[edit]

Article: Herbert Achternbusch (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Der Spiegel
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Bavarian film director, writer and painter. Death announced at this date. Grimes2 (talk) 09:00, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

  • Support Solid article and well referenced. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:07, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 20:56, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Terry Teachout[edit]

Article: Terry Teachout (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Wall Street Journal
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American author, critic, biographer, playwright, stage director, and librettist Thriley (talk) 05:20, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

  • @Spencer and Ad Orientem: - Fixed the references and the orange box. Feel free to let me know if you'd want any additional edits. Cheers. Ktin (talk) 20:28, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Anwar Raslan conviction[edit]

Article: Anwar Raslan (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​A German court convicts Anwar Raslan on 58 accounts of murder and at least 4000 cases of torture, in a world first conviction of torture by the government of Syria (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​A German court rules that the Syrian Bashar al-Assad regime commits torture and convicts former Colonel Anwar Raslan to life in prison for his role
News source(s): BBC, Taggeschau, AP, Guardian, DW, France24, AlJazeera
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: : Arguments in favour of the nomination: first court ruling worldwide explicitly ruling that the government of Syria commits torture and mass killings of civilians. The ruling has a high impact well beyond the case of the person convicted today. Arguments against the nomination: the defence lawyers can still appeal the conviction and the article on Anwar Raslan needs to be expanded. Gerrit CUTEDH 22:46, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

  • Oppose on article quality. Article is far too short. Will reconsider upon expansion. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:22, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Article strikes me as being a little too "preachy", i.e. too eager to push a particular POV. Claims have been over-egged in furtherance of this. The Syrian government was not on trial and the "first" claims are either narrowly defined or seemingly in contradiction to the Al-Gharib case referred to in the references. 3142 (talk) 07:10, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose Target article is an UNDUE and wholly NPOV BLP.2001:708:20:1300:0:0:0:1650 (talk) 09:19, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose BLP issues- he has a right to appeal the verdict, and the article is question is wholly focused on this trial, and so is not NPOV. Also, numbers in article don't match the blurb, ALT1 is POV and not in the article, and the article needs more sources. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:32, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
Leaving the other issues aside, we usually post convictions and do not wait for all appeals to be exhausted(which can take years and even decades). If a conviction is overturned, that can be posted. 331dot (talk) 09:34, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
To clarify, there are no BLP issues when RS's supply the information. The last sentence here is whistling in the wind: Bill Cosby's overturned conviction was not posted. I doubt any would be, unless ITN policy on this is locked in place. 96.5.122.4 (talk) 15:46, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
There are however BLP violations on an article when it's written exclusively about this, with a massive focus on the conviction, and no other content. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:49, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
Cosby's should have been posted. 331dot (talk) 19:45, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
I absolutely agree. But unless such conviction status updates are locked in as ITN policy, it will not happen. 96.5.122.4 (talk) 19:31, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support ... in principle, pending cleanup or separate article. A significant event and precedent. Very widely covered on Thursday; some follow-ups today. [2] [3]Sca (talk) 16:35, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

January 12[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Health and environment

International relations


(Posted) RD: Adi Andojo Soetjipto[edit]

Article: Adi Andojo Soetjipto (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Kompas
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Former associate justice. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 15:25, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

  • Support Article looks solid. Good job on referencing. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:02, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Posted. Non-English refs AGF'd. --PFHLai (talk) 01:07, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Stephen H. Sachs[edit]

Article: Stephen H. Sachs (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Baltimore Sun; WTOP-FM
Credits:

Article updated
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 05:31, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

  • Comment: Any info about what he did in his role as Attorney General, which seems to be his most notable political position? SpencerT•C 06:17, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support Adequate depth, referenced. SpencerT•C 16:33, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 23:05, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ronnie Spector[edit]

Article: Ronnie Spector (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP, BBC, WaPo
Credits:
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American singer who formed the girl group The Ronettes JosHeartTransplant (talk) 22:34, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

  • Not Ready Referencing is very poor and will require some work before this can be posted. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:56, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose Too much unsourced content, and this does not really comply with WP:BLPSOURCES. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 23:25, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
    @Ritchie333: What's wrong with New York Daily News? GA-RT-22 (talk) 22:29, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
    Yes it's generally seen as reliable and as this is a report of a court proceeding I can't see the issue. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:25, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
  • As soon as sourcing issues are resolved, Strong Support. Highly influential and significant singer, and many of the songs by The Ronettes remain widely recognised to this day. TheScrubby (talk) 00:37, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
'Strong support' = support. – Sca (talk) 14:25, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
Also, the only criteria for a biographical article to be posted at RD is article quality. So, "support when issues resolved" is kinda redundant. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:56, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Stats FYI, this was the top read article yesterday. The readership was 465K and so not in the same league as Betty White, who is still in the charts after two weeks. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:08, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose Discography still unreferenced. Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:15, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
 Done References added to Discography section too. Alexcalamaro (talk) 14:13, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
Support Good job. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:21, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support. Article looks in good shape. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:34, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support – I just got rid of the last of the cn tags, and will continue to watch this article and provide sources as needed. It looks to me to be in pretty good shape right now. GA-RT-22 (talk) 02:19, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Comment: While we wait for a spot to open up on the RD line, can we have a non-primary source for the solo singles, please. And preferably not on the subject header, please. The footnotes shows up in the table of contents and looks rather odd there. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 12:43, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Good point, although a quick check at discogs and 45Cat (as usual) reveals they are all genuine. I'm not sure why any of her official discography should really be doubted. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:50, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Well, that was tagged. It's a minor thing that should not hold up this nom, but would be nice if it can be resolved before the link goes on MainPage. (Sorry, I have no clue what 45CAT means, but it's amusing to see it next to DiscOGs.) --PFHLai (talk) 16:12, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
  • I see... thanks for the link. --PFHLai (talk) 18:07, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
  • You can't trust it, as it's not WP:RS (... it's written by record experts). Martinevans123 (talk) 18:09, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Oh, well,... I'll leave things the way they are. BTW, thanks for fixing the table of contents. --PFHLai (talk) 18:15, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Posted --PFHLai (talk) 19:46, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

RD: Shebby Singh[edit]

Article: Shebby Singh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New Straits Times
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Malaysian soccer player, coach, and sports broadcaster. Article requires some work. I will get to it later tonight if no one gets to it earlier. Ktin (talk) 18:45, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

RD: Luis Castañeda[edit]

Article: Luis Castañeda (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [4]
Credits:
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Former Mayor of Lima. ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 17:05, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

  • Not Ready Referencing is quite poor and will need some work before this can be posted. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:29, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Comment: His bio in Spanish Wikipedia has three times as many refs. Perhaps someone who knows the language can look into porting some of the refs from ES to EN, please? --PFHLai (talk) 20:31, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

January 11[edit]

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

Politics and elections


(Posted) RD: Clyde Bellecourt[edit]

Article: Clyde Bellecourt (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Star Tribune, MPR, US News, Democracy Now, AP, PBS
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Most influential leader for rights of Native Americans (the rest were already dead). Needs a lot of updating -SusanLesch (talk) 23:20, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

  • Comment I expect we'd need his autobiography to source much of this bio. No Google or Amazon preview exists so I'm bowing out. -SusanLesch (talk) 00:30, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
Making some progress as more sources are appearing. -SusanLesch (talk) 21:55, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
Support as nominator. Not perfect but C-class biography now. Copy of his autobiography found at Johns Hopkins. -SusanLesch (talk) 17:12, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Comment – Bellecourt and AIM co-founder Dennis Banks (d. 2017) were very widely known in their day. Our Bellecourt article has been updated. – Sca (talk) 13:29, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Not Ready Referencing needs a lot of work. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:00, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
Agreed, the NFL and the Washington football team are still not ready. -SusanLesch (talk) 17:56, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support -- Alanscottwalker (talk) 13:54, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
    Ah, yes, Ready, please post. Alanscottwalker (talk) 20:59, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support The article is now well sourced and comprehensive. KittenKlub (talk) 21:42, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
    Is someone available to post this, then? Thanks. – Sca (talk) 22:21, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Whither free image? Are we sure there are no freely-licensed images of him on Flickr, etc.? Joofjoof (talk) 22:41, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
Joofjoof, article is not proposed for a blurb so why are you asking here instead of on the article talk page? Flickr has two eligible images, but both are so poor as to be disfigurements. What is "etc."? Search was made of the Library of Congress photo library which has nothing. -SusanLesch (talk) 23:14, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
Joofjoof, thank you for the nudge. When I pulled the crop back from his face to full length we got a pretty unmistakable talking (?) stick. Can't say I like the photo but it is free and beggars can't be choosers. Best wishes. -SusanLesch (talk) 15:38, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Posted Stephen 23:43, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Gary Waldhorn[edit]

Article: Gary Waldhorn (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: British actor; needs updating and citations adding 2A00:23C7:2B86:9800:E462:BF8E:70DD:6A60 (talk) 23:01, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Query Who will chair the Dibley parish Church meetings now? Chrisclear (talk) 07:49, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support Short but adequate. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:03, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Question Is it acceptable to use FreeBMD for his son's name and birth year? WP:BLPPRIVACY concerns and all that. Joofjoof (talk) 22:17, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  • @Joofjoof: done – removed birth year (left name per WP:BLPNAME) and replaced FreeBMD with existing source. —Bloom6132 (talk) 00:13, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
    • Thanks, that is better. Support now. Joofjoof (talk) 11:15, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Posted --PFHLai (talk) 11:35, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) 2022 College Football Championship[edit]

Still no consensus to post. --Tone 07:30, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Nominator's comments: This was posted 2020, is always one of the biggest sporting events of the year in the nation with ~40% of en.wiki readers, the college football coach is by far the highest-paid government employee of many states with some (including this game's loser) having $9.5 to $10 million/yr guaranteed salary contracts and many other arguments that don't seem to convince non-North Americans. Also since the Supreme Court made the federal sports gambling ban unconstitutional in 2018.4 (also not posted) legal online betting has started in states exceeding 1 UK population by now including the biggest market for the foreseeable future — New York. The NY betting rate instantly increased tens of thousands of percent due to going from shops in the "wilderness" only to BetRivers, Caesars William Hill, DraftKings & FanDuel apps @ 9 a.m 3 days ago and more will come later. Thus the college game is becoming an even bigger source of U.S. economic activity over time (One dude even lost $6.15 million picking the wrong winner (to hedge a promotion where if Georgia loses anyone who bought $3,000 of Houston mattress shop stuff from him will get it for free) Would a single bookmaker accepting his bets of $1.5 million & $1.2 mil on a slight underdog without moving the odds much be a busy market by UK standards?) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 21:28, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose This is not an ITNR and should not be. The international impact and interest is very low and it doesn't seem to be the most notorious sporting event in the USA if we compare it with the Super Bowl or the NBA, which are ITNR and rightly so. As Masem said two years ago, "college footage is equivalent to minor league/amateur sports, which we should not post unless it is like the Boat Race, the most significant event in that sport". Nor do I think that the economic value of it is decisive, as it's something that interests only college football fans (and that's fine). _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 21:47, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
    • Nonsense. There's no limit to how many events can be posted. The NCAA college basketball tournament is on ITN/R even though it is (1) amateur, and (2) considered less than the NBA Finals or FIBA championship. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:04, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
    • Per WP:ITN/C (above): Please do not ... oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive.Bagumba (talk) 23:08, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support Major event, top annual event in college football, would increase us from one (1) American football item in a year to two (2), so not onerous or overbearing in this way. It's in the news, covered by all the top sources, and we have a quality article. A lot of people here just don't like it. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:04, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Just because I've justified why I oppose it doesn't mean I simply "don't like it". This counterargument is not valid for me. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 22:13, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
    Alsoriano97, that was not addressed specifically at you. The college football national championship game has been nominated every year since 2011, and a lot of the opposition is IDONTLIKEIT. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:18, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
  • If you are going to bring up the Supreme Court, let's not forget they found the NCAA was exploiting student athletes too. Just because something is popular doesn't make it appropriate for ITN. --Masem (t) 22:16, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Weak Support Given the precedent of posting this and related events in the past, including the INT/R status of the NCAA basketball tournament (per Muboshgu). I personally have questions about notability, but there seems to be enough reason to post. DarkSide830 (talk) 22:30, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support. In some ways college football is more popular than NFL football. The largest capacity stadium in the US is a college stadium. 331dot (talk) 23:27, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose. A minor, amateur, limited status school sport of limited notability. - 2A00:23C7:2B86:9800:E462:BF8E:70DD:6A60 (talk) 23:41, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
Every word of your comment is demonstratably incorrect. 331dot (talk) 00:10, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
Obviously not. Not only is it a second-level competition, it is still an amateur school sport. 2A00:23C7:2B86:9800:C149:7535:6073:F180 (talk) 12:53, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
The first hatnote in the college football article states "This article is about gridiron football played at an amateur level in the United States". Is the hatnote incorrect in stating that this is an amateur competition? Chrisclear (talk) 07:02, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
Could be subtle trolling? It's only amateur cause the players would be banned for life if they took any money or free stuff for playing. The Supreme Court has now allowed 1 laptop, free tutors just for them and other things that can help their education. Some need tutoring cause colleges care little to nothing about your pre-college academics if you want to play football or basketball with them and your football skill would improve the team. They'll even give like 50 players an (almost) full football scholarship (free tuition+room and board) regardless of how much the player can afford to pay. It is a surviving relic from the time when amateurism in sport was more widely regarded and even the best Olympic champions could be and were banned for life for having the nerve to play after making money from sport. 15:31, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
There's 8 college football stadiums that are only exceeded in size by a soccer/track and field/mass games stadium in North Korea and 1 from Indian cricket. All 4 sports have bigger fields than gridiron too which means a 100K+ gridiron stadium has to be taller and thus harder to build for the same distance to the nosebleed section. And there's only ~half a dozen home games a year. The coaches only make a little less than the top league coaches, Georgia's coach makes $7 million a year and $7m isn't even in the top 3rd of his conference. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 00:32, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  • This year's game drew an estimated 22+ million TV viewers.[5] For context, the recent ITNR darts promotion claimed 2M viewers in the UK and Netherlands. Comments that this game is "limited status", much like The Boat Race, will often depend on whether the !voter likes it or not, which is likely dependent on their locale.—Bagumba (talk) 23:55, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
    The Boat Race isn't suitable for ITN either. The PDC item was at least a world championship, which this isn't. Modest Genius talk 12:50, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support this is a good quality article on an event that gets a lot of atttention. With the Super Bowl the only other American football story likely to be posted, I don't think two per year is excessive. Pawnkingthree (talk) 00:01, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose on quality the team list is unsourced, the match summary has one or two sources per paragraph which doesn't seem like enough. And the TV broadcast sections in the infobox are not verified anywhere. And the teams season summary is confusing to a regular reader because it's filled with unexplained specific terminology, and has peacock phrases like escaped an upset bid and suffered their first and only setback. All in all, not good enough article for a non-specialist reader to understand. Although I fully exprcr this to get posted during the European night time based mostly on American votes, and ignoring the quality issues.... Joseph2302 (talk) 00:04, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
    I highly doubt that. This is an annual timesink that (with the exception of 2020) usually gets closed after about three days of arguing as "no consensus." Pawnkingthree (talk) 00:08, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  • I will comment that on quality, the article is way overly detailed, particularly on the season for both teams, and the recap (its supposed to be a recap, not play by play; must of that seems ripe for a box score table). Thus will help eliminate some of the slang and peacock terms. --Masem (t) 00:28, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
    Yes, the recap looks like a live blog sourced to primary source play-by-play link. Should rely on secondary sources for highlights.—Bagumba (talk) 06:39, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support Major sport, detailed article, big game, fine time, new champs. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:20, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose subnational competition. Banedon (talk) 03:05, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
Almost like Oxford and Cambridge students rowing? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 03:24, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
!!!!!!BOAT RACE KLAXON!!!!!!! Banedon (talk) 04:43, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose 2nd tier championship and therefore not sufficiently notable. The wall of text (with its poor grammar and syntax) describing the economic effects of the sport are interesting, but do not make the competition any more notable. They just reiterate that the sport is played in a high-income country with a high population. I am guessing that the use of three non-American sources is possibly an attempt to suggest that this is "news" outside the US. However a mere cursory glance shows that the "UK" article is copied from AP wire, and the "Australian" article was written by an American, for an American audience, and then syndicated across all country-specific versions of Yahoo Sports. The French article link does not work. Chrisclear (talk) 07:14, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
The French link needs the space near the beginning removed and possibly also a www. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 15:39, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
All I read is a very long and drawn out WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Maybe try to start a real discussion? Thechased (talk) 07:25, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
Your simplistic application of the "IDONTLIKEIT" label is both incorrect and unfortunate. As for a "real discussion" - it's in the sentences I wrote. Chrisclear (talk) 07:47, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
This is not a second-tier championship. Division II would be, this is little different from NFL football with larger audiences. 331dot (talk) 11:43, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
From the college football article: "Therefore, college football is generally considered to be the second tier of American football in the United States and Canadian football in Canada; one step ahead of high school competition, and one step below professional competition." (My emphasis added). The first hatnote in the college football article states "This article is about gridiron football played at an amateur level in the United States". Is the hatnote correct in stating that this is an amateur competition? Furthermore, is it correct to state that the competitors in a/this College Football Playoff are limited to those that are, as the name suggests, college students? If I am correct on either or both counts (college students only, amateur competition), then I would disagree with your assertion that it is "little different" from NFL football. Chrisclear (talk) 12:11, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
That it is amateur(which has been litigated in the US courts and is actually debatable) and involves college students is immaterial. College football draws larger crowds, larger TV audiences, and has larger stadiums than the NFL(at Division I, which this is). In essence, this is merely a different league, not a lower level league. What matters is how reliable sources cover this. 331dot (talk) 12:19, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
To me, logic would dictate that if it is an amateur (or quasi amateur) competition, then the pool of possible players is almost certain to be of lower quality than a professional league. Likewise, if the pool of possible players is limited to college students, then again, the skill level will be lower than a league with no such restrictions. As for crowd size, TV audience and stadium size, these reflect popularity, as opposed to encyclopaedic notability. Chrisclear (talk) 12:32, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
The NFL has voluntarily banned players who haven't played college a few years (to encourage kids to not put excessive effort and hope into training football to the point that they get kicked out of college sports semesters for learning at <80% the normal speed) If they didn't do this then some kids would likely stop going to school on their 16th birthday (the earliest you can without Child Protective Services getting involved) in the usually misguided hope of getting skilled enough at football to make a living from it or even become an NFL millionaire. Also almost everyone trains but doesn't play their first year because of the 80% rule (unlike England college is 4 years in the USA because it includes 13th grade). This is called redshirting and means the players are usually 19 to almost 23. There's even free private boarding schools for the best secondary school football players (like IMG) who's academics are almost phony and they'll even let you stay, train and learn so you can delay the college. So it is more like a continent-scale under-23 league. There is no age limit or education ceiling, if you haven't played 4 years you can still play. And having to be a college student isn't much of a talent pool reducer due to how much football players are babied academically in most of the US (at least after elementary school). Teachers and professors grade them leniently, if they need it tutors get thrown at them, the easiest classes are never oversubscribed for them and so on. If you go to some football boarding schools the education isn't even accredited cause they're in states where if you say your school is religious they can't touch you even if that's clearly a front. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:55, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Strong Oppose lower-tier sports competition. Sports, music competitions/personalities should be judged on merit not on salaries etc, else any B/C-list pop musician will trump the best classical virtuosos and sports stars with celebrity value such as David Beckham will trump players with better competitive impact simply because the 'charismatic' players can sell more shirts/get more sponsors. Note also that the Arab and Chinese football leagues also pay similar or higher than European leagues, which does not make the quality the same or better. In fact, the Arab and Chinese leagues are worse than 2nd division European domestic leagues that are obviously not going to be posted. Bumbubookworm (talk) 07:57, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
    Strawman argument: college football players are not paid a salary from their schools.—Bagumba (talk) 08:26, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
    • Don't put words into my mouth. I know that. Only insular morons wouldn't. I was responding to the arguments of your like-minded compatriots who were citing the coaches' salary and other non-sporting merit metrics as a reason to post Bumbubookworm (talk) 09:22, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
      • This is not a low-tier competition when it draws larger audiences and has bigger stadiums than the top professional league. 331dot (talk) 11:42, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
        • The EFL Championship play-off Final draws larger audiences than any match played in the Premier League, but it's still a match in the second tier of English football (for instance, the 2019 EFL Championship play-off Final was attended by 85,826 spectators, whereas the match with the highest attendance in the entire 2018–19 Premier League season had 81,332 spectators). Furthermore, note that EFL Championship is a professional league in a much more popular sport.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:19, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
          • I am not familiar with the British tiering system but what you describe seems akin to the difference between Major League Baseball and Minor League Baseball in the US.(The NFL does not really have a minor league system.) This is not like that. College football is a different league, not a lower league. College football has tiers based on university size and other factors(Division I, Division II, and Division III). This game is part of Division I, the top level of college football. 331dot (talk) 14:19, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
            • US and Canadian sports are built like the ill-fated European Super League. Sports leagues are not connected to each other. You can argue college football is a totally different "code" of gridiron vs. professional American football (same can be argued to college basketball and professional basketball in the US, plus leagues that follow the FIBA set of rules almost everywhere else), so you can argue further that Division I FBS is the top competition of the gridiron code known as college football. Premier League and EFL have always been played in the same FIFA set of rules and are actually connected to each other via promotion and relegation. Gridiron does share that concept. Howard the Duck (talk) 15:56, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose Much has been said in the past about why this shouldn't be posted (amateur sport, low-tier competition, low impact, lowering standard for similar sport events etc.) and, after ten years of debating, there are no signs that something has drastically changed. To those griping about why The Boat Race is an ITNR item, please go to the talk page and demand it be delisted if you think this is comparable to it. To those hanging on to the wide coverage, Novak Djokovic's entry to Australia is by far the main story (not only sport-related) in the world but we haven't even considered it, which clearly implies that news coverage doesn't always make a strong case for a story to be posted.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:23, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose for the same reasons as every other year. This is an amateur competition open only to students at a handful of universities, isn't the highest level of the sport, is partly decided by a selection panel rather than performance on the field etc. This has been discussed to death over the years. I understand that many Americans watch the event, but that isn't enough. I have consistently opposed any and all student sports items, in any sport or country, and will continue to do so. Modest Genius talk 12:49, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
We have broken down this barrier by adding the basketball tournament to ITNR. I don't see why being a student should matter. The US Supreme Court has found that student athletes are exploited and prevented from being compensated fairly. Universities use their sports programs to generate revenue just as any NFL Team does. 331dot (talk) 14:16, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
I have consistently opposed NCAA basketball on the same grounds, including in the ITNR discussion you link below. I don't see how the court ruling or profit motives are at all relevant to the discussion here. Modest Genius talk 15:05, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
It's relevant because it means these players are not simple amateurs who play for the love of the sport. They are as invested as any "professional" player. 331dot (talk) 15:34, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Comment. I urge participants here to review the discussion to add the basketball tournament to ITNR and while this is not an ITNR discussion, many of the same arguments apply. 331dot (talk) 14:22, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
    You're trying to wring water from a stone. The opposition to this item is primarily because its inclusion will pave the way for posting numerous other sport events with the qualities of being amateur and low-tier competitions. If we really have to increase the number of sport stories posted, then we should definitely go with a horizontal rather than a vertical expansion.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:03, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
I'm trying to uphold our mission here. I don't think what you say is the case, but what if it was? What is wrong with that? We have already broken down the "amateur" barrier. 331dot (talk) 15:08, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
Mistakes made in the past don't make a rule. Arguments can be drawn from virtually every successful ITNR nomination (not only ITN) to support the inclusion of zillion other stories which normally shouldn't be included. And truly upholding our mission is to identify stories from underrepresented countries with a large number of English speakers, such as India, Pakistan or Nigeria.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:47, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
Kiril Simeonovski I await your nominations. Reverse bias is not the answer. 331dot (talk) 17:52, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose – Per Modest, Kiril, Masem. Hyped. – Sca (talk) 14:57, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
Mistakes made in the past don't make a rule. Arguments can be drawn from virtually every successful ITNR nomination (not only ITN) to support the inclusion of zillion other stories which
I don't understand "hyped" as an argument. Everything we post is "hyped". 331dot (talk) 15:02, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
Oh? – Sca (talk) 16:37, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Rankings This event is all over the top read articles list currently. The article rankings for yesterday include:
2 Stetson Bennett
5 Kirby Smart
6 Nick Saban
12 Georgia Bulldogs football
13 Bryce Young
14 College Football Playoff National Championship
32 Alabama Crimson Tide football
41 2021 College Football Playoff National Championship
47 College football national championships in NCAA Division I FBS
58 2022 College Football Playoff National Championship
It's interesting that the nominated article is so far down the list.
Andrew🐉(talk) 15:42, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
Andrew Davidson As you should be aware by now, ITN is not a most-viewed article list. If you would like to eliminate ITN and replace it with a most-read article list, please propose that. 331dot (talk) 15:47, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
Yes, but we are supposed to help people find articles they are already looking for, and clearly they are having trouble getting there. GreatCaesarsGhost 15:51, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  • The Gaelic Athletic Association items that have been at WP:ITNR would love to talk about amateurism. Howard the Duck (talk) 15:45, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support Every single argument used to oppose this equally applies to events that are on ITN/R. We post many events that are 2nd tier (Japan Series, La Liga), amateur (Olympics, NCAA Basketball), have restricted participants (The Ashes, The Boat Race) or are of local or limited interest (PDC, Gaelic Football). Obviously, it's not that big of a deal if any of these (or CFP) gets posted or not. The issue for me is that we have guidelines and precedent that should be respected. Every so often, we throw them out the window and decide on pure sui generis, and this always leads to discontent and fights. The Betty White situation and Carrie Fisher before her are examples of this. People decide how they will !vote and then cherry-pick the evidence that supports their argument. There's no fix for this; like death blurbs, CFP is a blind spot of this project. GreatCaesarsGhost 15:49, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  • (edit conflict) Weak oppose. It is my understanding that we tend to post sporting events at the top level of their field only. I don't believe "amateur" status matters (GAA fan here) but if we're making that comparison, there is a difference between posting the top level finals in football/hurling versus posting the Hogan Cup finals. I'm not a gridiron fan and may be missing some nuance as a result but this seems to be clearly a tier below the Super Bowl, no? I wouldn't be in favour of posting the Europa League, Rugby Europe International Championships, etc and this seems to fall under the same remit. ᵹʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ 15:53, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
    • We can make the same comparison if GAA is also involved with organizing or sanctioning the Hogan Cup (I didn't bother to check, sorry). For what it's worth, the NCAA doesn't even sanction CFB, and the NFL more so isn't even connected in anyway with CFB. You can make the argument that NFL football and college football are different codes of gridiron, with CFB as the highest level of competition for the latter. Howard the Duck (talk) 16:00, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
      • The Hogan Cup is a GAA competition, yes; it's a schools and colleges level competition as opposed to the senior county level one. I certainly don't know enough about gridiron to make or refute any argument about "different codes" but, earnestly, is this bigger than the Super Bowl? ᵹʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ 16:04, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
        • No, but one could argue it's bigger than the other three US+Canada professional sports leagues (NBA, NHL, MLB) that's listed in ITNR. As argued above, college football stadiums are some of the largest stadiums on Earth. Howard the Duck (talk) 16:07, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
        • There are many rule differences between college and NFL football and a single instance of rule difference can change who wins but they're still more alike than rugby league vs union. Probably, I don't know much about rugby. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 18:02, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Thank God that ITN isn't influenced simply by how much money gets thrown around this meat market of a sport that exploits amateur athletes.--WaltCip-(talk) 16:36, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
You kinda seem to be saying that it isn't a fully amateur sport..... 331dot (talk) 16:39, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
Are the players getting paid? WaltCip-(talk) 16:44, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
They all but get paid- they simply don't get a cash salary. They get "scholarships", free housing, food, etc. 331dot (talk) 16:55, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support Since we broke down the barrier with the March Madness tournament, and the championship is a fairly large event. DadOfTheYear2022 (talk) 17:18, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(Posted) RD: Ernest Shonekan[edit]

Article: Ernest Shonekan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Channels Television
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former (interim) head of Nigerian Government – Ammarpad (talk) 13:45, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

  • Oppose some lines and paras are unsourced. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 14:28, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
Support  – citations have been added. Princess of Ara 19:49, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Weak Support Referencing is adequate but I am not wowed by the overall length and quality of an article about a former head of state. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:10, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  • PostedBagumba (talk) 11:46, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

President of European Parliament[edit]

Proposed image
Article: President of the European Parliament (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Roberta Metsola becomes the first President of the European Parliament from Malta following the death of David Sassoli at the age of 65. (Post)
News source(s): Politico, BBC, France24, dpa
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: A RD nom has been made however no ITN nom, I think an ITN nom of mentioning Roberta becoming the first Maltese president of the European parliament and the mention of David Sassoli is needed and is a suitable nomination. Both articles are suitable for a news nom. BastianMAT (talk) 09:21, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

  • Comment target article needs to be updated for this change of leader. And lots of the article needs sourcing too e.g. none of the presidents actually have sources for them (despite the table having a column for references). Joseph2302 (talk) 09:53, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
Should be better now for all articles, I def think this is a very suitable nomination as its an important role, important death and notable background being the first from Malta. BastianMAT (talk) 12:01, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support RD only not too significant as death of the Queen Elizabeth II (morbid?), but still much worthly to be posted giving she was the first EP president from Malta but her notability is not so significant as prominent head of government/state. 125.167.57.110 (talk) 12:52, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
  • The comparison you make with Elizabeth II doesn't make much sense, to tell the truth. Sassoli's death is not the main subject of this nomination, and it shouldn't be. The debate here is whether the nomination of a new EP president should be on the Main Page. If it succeeds, it should obviously mention the death of the one who has been president until today, as it's the reason for the change in the leadership of this institution. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 13:05, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
As a side note, the main story here would be that Sassoli died in office. But it was posted as RD already. --Tone 18:23, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Weak oppose this doesn't seem like a very prominent role (even though it's inherently international); in fact it looks more ceremonial than anything. Banedon (talk) 03:06, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  • None of the "three presidencies" of the European Union is ceremonial in nature. Perhaps in EP president’s international activities, but its function is the same as that of any Speaker of any legislative assembly. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 08:02, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose. The president of the parliament is the least influential of the three EU offices called 'president', behind the President of the European Council and President of the European Commission. Their role is equivalent to the Speaker of a national parliament. None of the recent holders of this office have attracted public attention. Being the first Maltese incumbent isn't particular significant either. Modest Genius talk 13:01, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose now people have cleared up for me that it's not the most important EU role. We wouldn't post the change of Speaker in the US or UK, so don't see why we should post this, as this EU role seem to be at a similar level to a speaker. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:35, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

RD: Ahmet Yılmaz Çalık[edit]

Article: Ahmet Yılmaz Çalık (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): DailySabah
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Turkish national team and Konyaspor player, 27 years old, died in a tragic car crash. Article needs some work. BastianMAT (talk) 08:49, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

  • With only 888 characters (154 words) of readable prose, this stub needs to be expanded quite a bit before it can qualify for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 05:40, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Not Ready per PFHLai. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:12, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

First pig to human heart transplant[edit]

Articles: heart transplantation (talk · history · tag) and xenotransplantation (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​The first human heart transplant from a pig is performed. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​The first pig to human heart transplant is performed.
News source(s): BBC; Reuters; NYT
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: This is described as a groundbreaking breakthrough. There are some potential pictures on Commons. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:21, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Are they bloody? We don't need that. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 21:31, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Thank you for the submission. Which is the better target article? I don’t see either article being updated yet. We need a substantial update for this to be considered. The altblurb I supplied may be helpful if this progresses. Jehochman Talk 08:35, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support once some cn tags and some unsourced lines in both linked articles are fixed. A true milestone. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 13:32, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose Only time will tell how significant this is, the first human-human heart transplants didn't exactly go well, to the point the ethics of continuing were questioned. If he lives for ten years I'm willing to overlook the criminal language redundancy (ground-breaking breakthrough), but not after a few days. This isn't a Louise Brown style moment with a natural point of success, nor the first xenotransplantation. 3142 (talk) 19:58, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support in principle, subject to article quality. I think xenotransplantation would be the natural target article? —Brigade Piron (talk) 21:09, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose Per 3142. DYK. DarkSide830 (talk) 22:32, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Both per 3142 and because it’s unlikely to make the Top 25 report, as the nominator is so keen on trying to skew ITN towards the most read articles. 2A00:23C7:2B86:9800:E462:BF8E:70DD:6A60 (talk) 23:49, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose per 3142 as not the first xenotransplating operation. --Masem (t) 02:27, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  • 'Oppose for lack of event or biography article, but an interesting chapter in medical history, thanks! InedibleHulk (talk) 02:38, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Weak oppose I'd support this but we lack a article on the event; the ones available are tangential. Banedon (talk) 03:03, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose – Per Banedon. No article, no blurb. – Sca (talk) 13:32, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose, We have to wait and see what the results will be. Alex-h (talk) 14:45, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Banedon. We generally don't post events that don't have their own article. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:19, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support once tags are resolved; this is noteworthy, rare medical news. While it's unusual to post an event that does not have it's own target article, I think xenotransplantation works as a target article for this event. NorthernFalcon (talk) 19:27, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support ... in principle as a significant event. Very widely covered on Thursday; some follow-ups today. [6] [7]Sca (talk) 16:35, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Comment – Getting stale. – Sca (talk) 17:00, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: David Sassoli[edit]

Article: David Sassoli (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): DW France 24 Politico, BBC, dpa
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: incumbent president of the european parliament. died of a "serious complication due to a dysfunction of the immune system". article needs some work. dying (talk) 05:06, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

  • Support in principle. Article looks okay, still needs a bit work, important person and a tragic death. BastianMAT (talk) 08:49, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose Orange-tagging his article. Many unsourced paragraphs and lines. And I think his two years as president of the European Parliament should have deeper coverage. Far from ready, IMO. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 09:30, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
    Sources have been added where missing. --Yakme (talk) 11:28, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support Everything seems to be sourced now. --Vacant0 (talk) 11:39, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support looks fine for RD now. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:25, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support now looks good. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 15:16, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Strong support This is a heavily significant event and should be included. The article is additionally well written.Dunutubble (talk) 15:21, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 15:45, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Jules Wright (politician)[edit]

Article: Jules Wright (politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Alaska Governor's Press Office Fairbanks Daily News-Miner
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Since you've repeatedly shown me that any obscure subject is fine so long as the article is formatted a certain way and happens to have a bunch of citations, I'll go ahead and nominate this.  RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 03:36, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

  • Support Covers what he was notable for. Any info for what Wright was up to after 1984? (Presume he withdrew from political life). SpencerT•C 05:02, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Notability is not an issue at all. Long enough (544 words) and has enough footnotes in expected spots, this wikibio is READY for RD. Spencer, the info you asked about may be at the end of the "Early life and private sector" section. --PFHLai (talk) 20:12, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Posted to RD. Thanks PFHLai, I missed that. SpencerT•C 05:29, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

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