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Gukesh Dommaraju in January 2024
Gukesh Dommaraju

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December 13

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December 12

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RD: Clarke Reed

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Article: Clarke Reed (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:
Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: NYT published obituary on this date. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:39, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) World Chess Championship 2024

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Article: World Chess Championship 2024 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Challenger Gukesh Dommaraju (pictured) wins the 2024 World Chess Championship in Singapore with a score of 7.5-6.5 over previous champion Ding Liren. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Challenger Gukesh Dommaraju (pictured) wins the 2024 World Chess Championship, becoming the youngest undisputed World Chess Champion at the age of 18.
Alternative blurb II: Gukesh Dommaraju (pictured) defeats Ding Liren in the 2024 World Chess Championship and becomes the youngest undisputed world champion at the age of 18.
Alternative blurb III: Gukesh Dommaraju (pictured) defeats Ding Liren in the 2024 World Chess Championship, becoming the youngest-ever world chess champion at the age of 18.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ In chess, Gukesh Dommaraju (pictured) becomes the youngest undisputed world champion at the age of 18, after defeating Ding Liren.
News source(s): The New York Times, The Hindu, Chess.com
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.74.216.56 (talkcontribs)

How about "Gukesh Dommaraju becomes the youngest World Chess Champion at the age of 18 years, breaking a record held by Garry Kasparov since 1985."? 9ninety (talk) 14:00, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Added as part of an alt blurb. Mr. Lechkar (talk) 14:03, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've added "undisputed" as Ruslan Ponomariov was younger when he won the FIDE World Chess Championship 2002. He broke Kasparov's age record from 1985.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:24, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Since the undisputed title attracts greater recognition, I still think it's worth mentioning that Kasparov's record, which stood for nearly forty years, has been broken. Gukesh is four years younger than Kasparov was when he won the title; it's safe to say this record will likely never be broken. 9ninety (talk) 16:35, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support ALT2 ALT3 is inaccurate since Ponomariov was younger than him when he won the FIDE world championship, there is also no need to link chess. Setarip (talk) 20:25, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Clive Robertson

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Article: Clive Robertson (broadcaster) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [3], [4]
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Happily888 (talk) 08:37, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 11

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RD: Hugh Cornish

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Article: Hugh Cornish (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5], [6], [7]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Happily888 (talk) 00:37, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: John Fraser Hart

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Article: John Fraser Hart (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): American Association of Geographers
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American geographer. Obituary published 11 December. Thriley (talk) 09:46, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jim Leach

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Article: Jim Leach (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press
Credits:
Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American academic and politician. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 06:18, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: David Bonderman

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Article: David Bonderman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Economic Times
Credits:
Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American billionaire businessman. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 02:25, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Khalil Haqqani

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Article: Khalil Haqqani (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS News
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Taliban minister for refugees, killed in a suicide bomb. Article is only included day of death by not means, needs updating. Masem (t) 13:37, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support as updates related to the death are good and well-sourced, and the article doesn't seem to need cleanup.
~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 16:57, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Ok now Bremps... 19:27, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've done a bit of clean-up of the article, principally adding an archive-URL for one of the main sources that had gone dead. That showed that there is uncertainty when he was born, with an eight-year span. There was coding in the infobox that he was 58 by the time he died and I don't know whether that was put there because the article had a birthdate of 1 Jan 1966 shown, or whether there is a reliable source for that age. If there is, it would be worth tidying up the birth year range before this gets posted. If there isn't a RS, then it's ready as is. Schwede66 03:52, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 10

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RD: Michael Cole

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Article: Michael Cole (actor) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [8], [9]
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Happily888 (talk) 06:38, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose for missing citations for filmography and for the body statements including a presumed TV Guide quote about Mod Squad. If sufficient citations are added, consider this support.
~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 16:59, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Kreskin

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Article: Kreskin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hollywood Reporter
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American mentalist. 240F:7A:6253:1:F917:2081:847F:CE12 (talk) 04:41, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Rocky Colavito

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Article: Rocky Colavito (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [10]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 04:13, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not Ready Multiple CN tags. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 09:20, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: S. M. Krishna

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Article: S. M. Krishna (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [11] [12]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Srf123 (talk) 04:21, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some parts of the article are still unsourced. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 05:05, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support The unsourced sections have now been sourced. Article is ready for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 09:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 9

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RD: Benito Aguas

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Article: Benito Aguas Atlahua (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Murdered Mexican congressman. Moscow Mule (talk) 18:51, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Mazen al-Hamada

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Article: Mazen al-Hamada (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Syrian activist. Body found 9 December. Thriley (talk) 17:21, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - a few unresolved CN tags, and the article might need a spot check or two to fix a few oddly worded sentences. Article has been updated sufficiently however. Departure– (talk) 17:24, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Nikki Giovanni

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Article: Nikki Giovanni (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WDBJ7
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American poet. Prose is well-referenced but many awards and works need references. Innisfree987 (talk) 03:01, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for now lacks inline citations for awards and works, as stated. Also, it appears external links are inappropriately used in the body of the article. Other than that, plenty of sources and of a good length. Departure– (talk) 03:19, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Ali Mahmoud Abbas

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Article: Ali Mahmoud Abbas (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (LBC Group)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: His death was reported on X after 11 hours Syrian Observatory for Human Rights confirmed in a safe house in the Damascus countryside.

Well sourced and covered deserves nomination

@Andrew Davidson Considering as developing story, would it be on a presumed death. QalasQalas (talk) 12:33, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Siaosi Sovaleni

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Article: Siaosi Sovaleni (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Prime Minister of Tonga Siaosi Sovaleni resigns ahead of a vote of no confidence. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, ABC News (Australia), AP News
Credits:

Nominator's comments: His article has 30 references, but the resignation of head of government is enough for posting. Moraljaya67 (talk) 13:30, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose article is hardly updated with only one sentence in the body about the resignation. Maybe an article about this apparent political crisis would be preferable to the article about the PM himself, but a head of government resigning appears notable enough for ITN. Departure– (talk) 17:32, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Departure– adds separate article QalasQalas (talk) 17:59, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Eras Tour ends

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Article: The Eras Tour (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ American singer-songwriter Taylor Swift's concert tour, The Eras Tour, concludes in Vancouver, Canada, becoming the highest-grossing tour of all time and the second-most attended after 149 shows. (Post)
News source(s): The Canadian Press
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Nominator's comments: Historic tour with a rich socioeconomic and cultural legacy, even if you do not like her this is a defining cultural moment. User:Rushtheeditor (talk) 01:01, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was not aware of that posting, but I would be 100% against it. Natg 19 (talk) 07:57, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Rupert Murdoch succession judgment

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Article: Succession of Rupert Murdoch (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Nevada court probate commissioner hands down judgment against Rupert Murdoch and his son Lachlan in their bid to change the irrevocable family trust, which would remove voting powers from Lachlan's siblings (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A Nevada court probate commissioner rules against Rupert Murdoch and his son Lachlan in their attempt to alter the Murdoch family trust, which would have given Lachlan full control of News Corp.
News source(s): CNN
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Significant shift in powerful media empire at stake, including Fox News and News Corp

p.s. It's 10 December here in Australia, and not sure whether this should be posted on that date as it's late in the day in the US already?

It's not any ordinary family dispute. The ramifications are huge. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 22:18, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose local court makes procedural decision This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:20, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per above. The Kip (contribs) 22:25, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose Ultimately unimportant news about a private corporation. Departure– (talk) 22:28, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just to answer the submitter question, we go by the date in the region the event happened, not your local date. So this is currently correct as Dec 9. Masem (t) 22:39, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Okay, thank you.
    I don't know how many of the opposers have followed the saga or understand the ramifications, but this family, specifically Rupert and his son Lachlan, help to shape the political landscape in the US and Australia. Rupert is no ordinary media businessman in the background - he actively determines the editorial lines in his media empire, and Americans should understand the influence of Fox, as Australians understand the influence of Sky News and his daily newspapers and media outlets in Australia (almost a monopoly). This is why this case is notable. The voting rights of the other siblings - much more moderate politically - could have huge impacts on the directions of Fox and News Corp, which in turn have huge influence on politics, and issues such as climate change, and thus energy policy, etc. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 23:32, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Not like Fox is going anywhere. Departure– (talk) 00:12, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Newsworthy? Yes, to some extent, but not sufficient for it to go on ITN. Mr. Lechkar (talk) 23:42, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support As Laterthanyouthink pointed out, more important than anything we have run on ITN lately. Far more important that the latest wars in the Middle East. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:50, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't know, the collapse of the Assad Regime, one of the most repressive and brutal dictatorships on Earth, does seem a bit more important than Murdoch's FOX News getting held to its own legal contracts it had previously agreed to. Departure– (talk) 01:01, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Not on the planet I am standing on. Only a fraction of the COVID deaths in the United States under the Trump regime, and the estimated three million deaths annually due to climate change. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:11, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Trump didn't cause climate change nor COVID. I'm not going to lie and admit he was at all blameless nor say he didn't do anything to worsen the impacts of both, but COVID was going to happen anyway, and climate change started well before Trump took office - he was only party to legislation and the nation's response to both, even if Murdoch's Fox was very influential to Trump's support and ideologies. This isn't Fox suddenly shutting down, it's Fox's upper management getting held to it's own legal agreements that it agreed to - hence the name, agreement. Right wing news media is not going to die suddenly and this shouldn't be seen as it's sudden death. Departure– (talk) 01:16, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Agree with others. Not a major news story. And I am doubtful that Fox News is going to change much, even with the outcome of this case. But even if Fox News suddenly became a "moderate" or "left-wing" news organization, this issue is of limited scope and not relevant to much of the world. Natg 19 (talk) 01:45, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Created altblurb and cleaned up nom, if it does get posted. Natg 19 (talk) 01:58, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There has been, and continues to be speculation that the empire will break up, and that Fox may get sold off. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 05:12, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Great! Let's post this when Fox breaks up or is sold off. Departure– (talk) 13:27, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support As someone else mentioned, there are big ramifications to this. Murdoch influences votes wherever he operates (and that isn't just the USA). It is expected that this ruling will lead to a softening in the Murdoch empire's rabid support for hard right politicians and parties. HiLo48 (talk) 01:53, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose at this time, as the appeal is already announced. This is the score at end of the first quarter of the game. Post when the last court speaks, not the first. Hyperbolick (talk) 07:14, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This being appealed means that this is not even the end of the legal side of this saga, let alone the fact that even before this it was hardly important. Departure– (talk) 14:11, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose private dispute that has kept the status quo. There's little immediate impact, except for the family and their lawyers. Of course this is an influential organisation and who runs it does matter, but this court ruling isn't significant enough to merit an ITN blurb. Modest Genius talk 15:02, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose seems very trivial compared to anything we have run on ITN lately. And that's before considering that this is a pretty low-level court on a private family matter. Nfitz (talk) 17:03, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Per all above, surprised this nomination hasn't been closed yet Hungry403 (talk) 18:45, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Two or more rounds of appeals still left. Let's consider once it's gone through the full judicial process. Khuft (talk) 18:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support will have a massive impact on the Anglosphere, this bloke is practically a king maker in the US, UK, and Australia, ITN should cover what could be the collapse of his media empire Kowal2701 (talk) 19:52, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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December 8

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(Closed) 2024 Israeli invasion of Syria (ongoing)

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Article: 2024 Israeli invasion of Syria (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): Axios
 ArionStar (talk) 22:31, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps: "Syrian rebel forces capture Damascus and Israel invades southern Syria as overthrown president Bashar al-Assad (pictured) flees to Russia." Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ) 23:58, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's way too much going on now to be able to fit everything into a blurb. I think it's best to just hit the key points. Bremps... 00:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with this blurb. 2605:8D80:560:54FC:A9EE:899B:AD28:4E0F (talk) 00:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not every special military operation is an invasion. Israel invaded Syria decades ago and still hasn't left. But there are now Israeli settlements in the occupied territory - so I'm fine with adding an ongoing about ethnic cleansing. Nfitz (talk) 00:34, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is special military operation a sarcastic reference to Putin or not? I'm genuinely curious as I don't have that much background knowledge about who did what in Syria. Bremps... 01:25, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes it is. Israel hasn't even entered an area of Syrian control. They've merely put some troops into the Area of Control, that is, if anything, UN territory. Nfitz (talk) 02:48, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) Rebel forces capture Damascus

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Article: Battle of Damascus (2024) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Syrian rebel forces capture Damascus following multiple offensives by various opposition groups. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Syrian president Bashar al-Assad (pictured) flees as rebel forces capture Damascus following multiple offensives by various opposition groups.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The Syrian government of Bashar al-Assad (pictured) collapses as rebel forces capture Damascus following multiple offensives by various opposition groups.
Alternative blurb III: ​ The Syrian government of Bashar al-Assad (pictured) collapses as rebel forces capture Damascus.
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: Article is NOT ready as of this nomination, but this is a defining moment in this conflict. Departure– (talk) 02:01, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support A decades old dynasty that came to an end is definitely newsworthy. Rager7 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 20:48, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Much bigger than Notre-Dame. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6c5d:5b00:23c3:c1ff:b038:b3a5:d438 (talk) 06:09, 8 December 2024
Strong support THIS is actual news. A decade of war finally over Abo Yemen 05:04, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
alt blurb 2 obv Abo Yemen 05:29, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Yeah honestly just change it to "capture" because there is almost a 100% chance that it will fall by the time it is posted Lukt64 (talk) 02:13, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Clearly notable; this is probably the biggest story of the month so far. It's already on the front page of the BBC, the New York Times, CNN, and quite a few others. Looks like it's Assad who must go, after all. Gelasin (talk) 02:20, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, Assad is done
Personisinsterest (talk) 02:44, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait altblurb It hasn't been officially confirmed that Assad has left. But when it does, support.
Personisinsterest (talk) 03:07, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support The rebels have apparently taken over various government buildings, and Assad has fled Damascus. I think a more suitable blurb would include “captured” or “taken over” Damascus, but this also works. They have completely won. Hungry403 (talk) 02:53, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support time to migrate Syria to Ba'athist Syria. Scuba 02:56, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Added altblurb – Assad has reportedly left the country. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ) 03:00, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support posting, preferably as soon as possible. Massive development in a long-running conflict. -insert valid name here- (talk) 03:11, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Personisinsterest (talk) 03:50, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support but wait for confirmation that Assad has been toppled and where he has fled to. This is one of the biggest stories of the year. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 03:52, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
STRONG support confirmed2A00:F3C:A282:0:4C7A:412B:134E:D001 (talk) 04:28, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: per above and Damascus has fallen
QalasQalas (talk) 04:27, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Assad leaving doesn't necessarily [yet] confirm it has falled. At least we can say Assad is a gonner 2A00:F3C:A282:0:4C7A:412B:134E:D001 (talk) 04:29, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See AP: "Syrian government appears to have fallen in stunning end to 50-year rule of Assad family". Gust Justice (talk) 04:35, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't get, so what's your point? QalasQalas (talk) 04:36, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The departure of the Assad family doesn't mean the government has fallen. Mubarak's family left Cairo and Sisi is stil there as same old, same old. Hear the PM. There is not new government.2A00:F3C:A282:0:4C7A:412B:134E:D001 (talk) 04:41, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is not analyzing what will happen in the future.
WP:RS confirmed Reuters, AP and AFP
  • Asad administration has fallen
  • Damascus is under rebel control
  • Syrian National TV said he jetted into a disclosed location
QalasQalas (talk) 05:03, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Finally! It's confirmed. The articles are in the nice phase where it's comprehensive before it inevitably devolves into a WP:INDISCRIMINATE hellscape and are postable. Bremps... 04:29, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've edited all blurbs to indicate the capture of Damascus, as current news reports. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ) 04:31, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Counter edit as untrue. The government collapses when there is a new governemtn and the PM is still talking about transitions. Biden's regime didn't collapse in november.2A00:F3C:A282:0:4C7A:412B:134E:D001 (talk) 04:34, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Damascus captures =/= government collapse 👍 you must've misread my edit. Here are sources: NBC News, Al Jazeera. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ) 04:38, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Did you hear the PM? 2A00:F3C:A282:0:4C7A:412B:134E:D001 (talk) 04:40, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The PM discussed the peaceful transfer of power, not whether Damascus (the city) has been captured or not. Reliable sources are reporting that the city is captured. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ) 04:46, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Fall of a capital city and a dictator, major news Dyaquna (talk) 05:01, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can't tell if this is premature celebration of peace being achieved or a polemical anti-immigration comment, but either way, I'm afraid that right now is probably not a great time to travel to Syria  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 06:36, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ??? Refugees are already returning from Lebanon. How is this different than the quick return of refugees from the camps in Thailand to Cambodia? Nfitz (talk) 06:41, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Because this particular conflict is too complex and multi-sided to know if the fall of Assad and the end of the war are necessarily the same thing.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 07:08, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Absolutely - but also not a great time to stay in Lebanon either. (though some new refugees are fleeing to Iraq). But it was the "polemical anti-immigration comment" bit I was responding to. Nfitz (talk) 08:33, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I considered that to be a possibility because anti-Syrian-refugee sentiment is very common in Europe and in Turkey so "Refugees can go home now." could have been read in multiple ways.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 19:17, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Indeed, and the support comment has nothing to do with the ITN nom at hand. Also the refugess in Lebanon are not returning wholly voluntarily either [13]. Gotitbro (talk) 20:28, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support but prefer that we use a picture of Assad, no strong opinions on any particular file. Without question one of the most significant things I've ever seen nominated for a blurb. Though I do have to respond to some of the comments that refer to this as the end of the civil war. As much as I'd like to be able to blurb that the civil war has ended, only time will tell whether the war will rage on even with Assad out of the picture. Historical precedent shows that dictators being deposed is often what precedes years of civil war. While it's never felt closer to being over, the rebel groups aren't exactly unified. Bear in mind that the rebel group that made the largest gains in territory this week is a splinter group that split from Al Qaeda – not exactly a group that the whole of Syria will peacefully be united under. But what we know to be certain is that the Assad era of Syria is history, and that is monumental news.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 06:36, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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December 7

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RD: Darrell McGraw

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Article: Darrell McGraw (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): US News
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former West Virginia Attorney General. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:42, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose needs source work. Scuba 18:57, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Ongoing removal: Russian invasion of Ukraine

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Article: Russian invasion of Ukraine (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)
Nominator's comments: The frontlines have been mostly static for two years since Kherson was retaken, besides small Russian pushes and Ukrainian counteroffensives. Compared to the other wars currently in Ongoing, the invasion of Ukraine isn't at the same level of high-intensity conflict anymore. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 21:45, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose There's still plenty of developments in the war and surrounding geopolitical conflict, even those that don't involve the frontlines. There's more to war than territory, and this war, despite little land changing hands in the past year or so, has proven that. Departure– (talk) 21:49, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Oppose as per this reasoning. The war is still very active and is the deadliest war of 2024 as per List of ongoing armed conflicts. Pluma (talk) 23:40, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. I can't remember the last time I read any new news about the war. It's getting closer and closer to becoming a frozen conflict every day. Gelasin (talk) 22:39, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    A frozen conflict is one where active armed conflict has mostly ceased, which does not describe the Russo-Ukranian war, where the conflict is presently at its most deadly in years, despite little movement in the front lines [14]. Pluma (talk) 23:37, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Of course it's not currently a frozen conflict, but it's certainly heading in that direction. Most of the major territorial changes happened not long after the Russian invasion started almost three years ago. Gelasin (talk) 00:01, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If you aren't seeing frequent coverage, I think you should be changing your newspapers subscription. Today there's most of a page here covering the Russian opposition that certainly involves the war. Yesterday the opposition had front-page coverage going onto to a 2-page spread. The day before there was a piece about trying to overcome the war damage with investment. With the recent increasing Russian advances and reports about their ever-increasing death toll, the nuclear sabre rattling over the deployment of longer range UK and US missiles there's been more coverage recently, as far as I've seen. Nfitz (talk) 00:45, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose It's in the news every day, contrary to e.g. the Sudanese war. Khuft (talk) 22:59, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose for now because of the ascendancy of the Trump administration in January, and the subsequent negotiations he has promised to bring about to "end the war" within days or weeks. The reality is, there will be renewed press coverage and increased clarity on the future of the war within the next two months. Trump's stated strategy will either cause a truce/stagnation along current boundaries (time for removal at that point), or a major escalation (in such case we will just have to re-add it). Removing from ongoing right on the precipice of that significant geopolitical "benchmark" in the conflict, just seems silly. We could instead wait to pull the trigger on removal just a little bit longer, at a more logical time when the future of the war becomes clearer in January. FlipandFlopped 23:03, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose there is no credible argument that this is less static than the Sudanese civil war. The fact that most of the world's nuclear powers are invested in the situation in Ukraine, and that none of them are similarly invested in Sudan, does matter. Walsh90210 (talk) 23:05, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The credible argument is that Singa, Sudan, a city the size of Kherson, was retaken two weeks ago, while no such movement happened in Ukraine for two years now. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:26, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Did we miss that Ukraine launched a ground incursion into Russia just a few months ago? The Kip (contribs) 23:52, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (1 August 2024 – present) reports actions for every day. Grimes2 (talk) 23:05, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

*Support There have been no significant territorial changes for almost two years. The fact that it’s in the news everyday isn’t a strong argument to keep it. For instance, the COVID-19 pandemic was removed when it was top news on a daily basis just because people got used that there’s a pandemic in the world. In the same way, people are aware that there’s a war in Ukraine, so there’s no need to keep it in ongoing forever.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 23:09, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per above. There are still frequent updates, even if territory isn't changing much. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 00:01, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Ghana general election

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Article: 2024 Ghanaian general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: John Mahama (pictured) is re-elected as President of Ghana (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The National Democratic Congress (Ghana), led by John Mahama, wins the Presidential and Parlimentary majority in the 2024 Ghanaian general election
News source(s): Aljazeera
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Ongoing Ghanaian general elections for presidential and parliamentary candidates. Heatrave (talk) 12:28, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Conditional support - The article is mostly ready (and has more prose than it used to), but it could use a little clarification on several presidential candidates' VP candidates. If they had no VP picks, that information can be given if there are any sources confirming it. Once we clean up those tags, it should be good to go.~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 16:56, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Results are in, John Mahama won the election Setarip (talk) 23:53, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2024 Kwango province disease outbreak

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Article: 2024 Kwango province disease outbreak (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 79 people have died from an outbreak of an unknown disease in Kwango, Democratic Republic of the Congo (Post)
News source(s): ABC News, USA Today, VOA
Credits:
Nominator's comments: First death was reported 10 November 2024 but only recently has this started gaining media attention. 79 is the count from the Africa CDC, but local health authorities have reported 143 (as reported in ABC News). Article may need updating as this situation develops. Staraction (talk | contribs) 06:58, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait for more information. If the disease is later known, it would be worth posting as such. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 12:50, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait per above, posting with more information availed later would be better than keeping readers in suspense, especially given than it may get forgotten later for some reason. ExclusiveEditor Notify Me! 16:03, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait There's not enough information. There are no test results yet which means it could end up being a known illness (or even a mix of different illnesses), in which case it's unlikely to be ITN worthy. Johndavies837 (talk) 18:49, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Could be a while before anyone knows what it is. Bremps... 04:33, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose situation unlikely to develop further. Some of the sources in the article are also dubious (Newsweek is cited for some reason) Scuba 18:56, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Ongoing removal: Sudanese civil war

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Article: Sudanese civil war (2023–present) (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)
Nominator's comments: The war has slowed down significantly, the article is updated less and less frequently, and Ongoing is becoming bloated. Gelasin (talk) 04:38, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support due to bloat, decrease in edit counts. Scuba 05:52, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support besides with the current limits Syria could use priority currently, but in the future we can change it if more news comes in Ion.want.uu (talk) 07:57, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, the war has not slowed down, with the major city of Singa, Sudan (259,000 inhabitants, as much as Kherson) having been recaptured only two weeks ago. The article points out that [a]ccording to a report by the French newspaper Le Monde, as of November 2024 the war in Sudan has possibly entered its most dangerous phase since it began in April 2023. Both the SAF and RSF have officially ruled out settling the civil war through negotiations, with the only option on the table being total war. War crimes are also still ongoing, like the 2024 eastern Gezira State massacres. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 10:28, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just because events may continue to be ongoing doesn't make the topic necessarily suitable for ongoing. Ongoing line is for topics that generally get near-daily news coverage, and in the case of the Sudan war, its updates are in spurts, roughly weekly. — Masem (t) 12:46, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • oppose per Chaotic Enby Abo Yemen 12:47, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Ongoing is getting long, and this article isn't updated as frequently as the others. We can add it back if something changes to warrant that. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:07, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Chaotic Enby. It is still ongoing and if anything, has intensified since we first put it on. There are still daily updates on the timeline page which include major losses of civilian life. I also do not agree on precedent with removing a conflict from ongoing, even when the loss of life and devastation remains high or growing, just to free up space - too arbitrary of a reason, IMHO. FlipandFlopped 15:44, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support—Not because the situation is calming down per se, but because the world is no longer paying as much attention as it once did. We don't have the civil war in Myanmar in Ongoing, and as far as I'm aware, it's no less deadly. Kurtis (talk) 16:15, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And this is how systemic bias creeps in. The Russia-Ukraine war is much more static (no city comparable to Singa has been retaken since the frontlines stabilized two years ago), and yet, as it is more of a topic of interest to (mostly Western) editors, the war in Sudan is the one that is being considered for removal instead. "The world has moved on" is a very Western-centric way of putting it. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:05, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support; the world has moved on from Sudan as evident by the edit history slowing down. No longer worthy of ongoing. Klinetalkcontribs 16:58, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    the world has moved on
    That sounded horrible, like really horrible Abo Yemen 18:11, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I am not here to sugarcoat what the truth is. Obviously they are not on their own and should never be, but the news outlets are no longer interested in covering Sudan anymore, more important stories have developed. Klinetalkcontribs 20:28, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

*Support. Per most of the above. While the war still may be ongoing, there just isn't much coverage as it used to anymore. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 22:06, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Changing to Oppose. Maybe I was exaggerating at first. Despite partially feeling WP:CPP, the others have a clear point. Whether it is no longer being covered or the war has calmed down or not, the conflict isn't essentially over. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 04:22, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose the only reason that its not being covered as much is because western media just wont cover african countries. this deserves to be known about. Lukt64 (talk) 02:15, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Pulled) Northwestern Syria offensive

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Article: Northwestern Syria offensive (2024) (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

Nominator's comments: I think it's appropriate at this point to nominate the Northwestern Syria offensive article for the ongoing events for ITN. There's been significant developments, the article is being updated pretty regularly, and RS are consistently covering it. The capture of Aleppo is also still displayed on ITN. Previous discussion (from December 1st) rejected putting Syrian Civil War back on ongoing and said to nominate the article for Northwestern Syria offensive instead. Can I has Cheezburger? (talk) 02:44, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong support per nom Abo Yemen 12:46, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support when the current blurb rolls off. This conflict is probably the most important one in the world right now, and it will determine the future of the Assad government. The article is seeing continuous updates; this qualifies for ITN. Gelasin (talk) 03:36, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support this is what is getting updated, not the article for the entire civil war itself. Scuba 03:48, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Five ongoings is going to push that to three lines and we may have problems with front-page balance in the future. We should probably consider if the Sudanese civil war is really needed at this point, given that its only getting significant content updates about once a week. --Masem (t) 04:11, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd be fine removing Sudan. Scuba 04:17, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've nominated it for removal. Gelasin (talk) 04:33, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've voted in favor of removal. Scuba 05:53, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
stole my nomination :( Support though Ion.want.uu (talk) 07:53, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment make sure the ongoing says 2024 Syrian Opposition offensive Ion.want.uu (talk) 07:56, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, although the simultaneous 2024 Deir ez-Zor offensive (from the SDF, which is now fighting both the regime and the Syrian opposition) makes me wonder if Syrian civil war might be the better target (maybe with Timeline of the Syrian civil war (November 2024–present)). Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 10:20, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Things are developing really quickly right now, so it's an article many readers would be interested in. It also is seeing intense coverage by many sources. Gust Justice (talk) 14:21, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Covered significantly in RS, and the situation is developing rapidly. Support ongoing. Schwinnspeed (talk) 15:18, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Massive changes going on and we might see a final conclusion to the 13-year civil war. I would say merge the Israel–Hamas war and the 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon into either one hook or remove the Lebanese one (ceasefire, in theory) instead of removing the Sudanese one - odd to have three Middle Eastern wars right smack dab next to each other all on ITN. Juxlos (talk) 15:22, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, although maybe under Syrian Civil War, since the article is still focused mostly on the Northwest Offensive while it seems like there's an effort to transition it to being more about the reignition of the civil war at large. Pluma (talk) 20:51, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Juxlos. If we have to clear up space to make this happen, I agree with merging the two Israel-related articles as opposed to removing Ukraine or Sudan. FlipandFlopped 23:08, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On the other hand, with report that Damascus has fallen, the Syrian army demobilizing, Assad fled, and the Russians evacuating their naval base - maybe this should be a blurb, once the media catches up to the overnight activities and the extent dawns on them. Nfitz (talk) 01:08, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 6

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(Posted) RD: Eddie Stobart

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Article: Eddie Stobart (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Telegraph
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British businessman. Death announced on this date. Ollieisanerd (talkcontribs) 16:35, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Dickie Rock

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Article: Dickie Rock (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Irish Times
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Irish singer and member of The Miami Showband240F:7A:6253:1:31E4:1BA6:D6A9:2C91 (talk) 15:28, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Soft support wish he had a Discography source, but other than that it is okay. Scuba 18:54, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Reopening of Notre Dame

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Article: Reopening of Notre-Dame de Paris (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Notre-Dame cathedral (pictured) reopens following reconstruction after the 2019 fire. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Notre-Dame de Paris cathedral (pictured in 2024) reopens following reconstruction in the wake of the 2019 fire.
News source(s): AP, CNN
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Trying again, as the cathedral is now opening tomorrow. The previous nom was closed due to the cathedral not being open yet. Natg 19 (talk) 18:09, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support this altblurb once it opens: it should wait until the event has happened already and there is a picture of the reopening to attach instead of showing a picture from April. Pluma (talk) 20:56, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose It's not ITNR and there's no indication of significance for just another building opening up in the 21st century. If we ITN the opening of every well-known building we might as well be a construction newsletter –Jiaminglimjm (talk) 23:40, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think this is a bit of a slippery slope fallacy. There is a feasible way to demarcate between major, widely covered closures of worldwide landmarks vs mundane construction updates to every named skyscraper with a wikipedia article... the degree of news coverage. Support. FlipandFlopped 23:54, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd be fine with this being a construction newsletter. Scuba 03:48, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm going to say it again: Any blurb starting "The Notre" sounds weird, for the same reason it would if it was all in English and started "The Our". GenevieveDEon (talk) 10:08, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Notre-Dame de Paris, across the Seine, before reopening
  • Posted Stephen 22:06, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree that the fire should not be bolded. I just looked at the reopening article, and it is not much more than a stub. I fixed a sentence about the music program, but it has no reference. I came to add a recent image (that I took on 4 Dec) but found no place for it. I believe that it is less pretty than the one featured, but perhaps more informative, showing the rebuilt spire, cranes more clearly, and tents for the celebrations. It could be cropped, of course. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:12, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I also agree that the fire shouldn’t be bolded (it was when it actually happened more than five years ago).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 23:22, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 Romanian presidential election 1st round annulled

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Article: 2024–25 Romanian presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The first round of the Romanian presidential election has been annulled by the Romanian Constitutional Court due to Russian electoral interference. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The first round of the Romanian presidential election is annulled by the Romanian Constitutional Court.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The first round of the Romanian presidential election is annulled by the Romanian Constitutional Court following allegations of Russian electoral interference.
News source(s): Euronews, Reuters, AP
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: This is unprecedented. Have not marked it as ITN/R but does concern an election. Article needs updating Abcmaxx (talk) 14:23, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment I disagree with Gelasin and oppose altblurb 1. IMHO, the interference is what makes blurbing this now appropriate. If it were being annulled for some other domestic issue, I would say just wait and post the ITNR results with a little note about the delay in the blurb. I believe the consensus already formed that the alleged Russian interference is what is notable, and that this should be in the blurb. I've proposed a compromise altblurb 2 which weakens the language to "allegations", as opposed to stating the interference as a matter of fact. FlipandFlopped 15:50, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Stephen, Moraljaya67, Bremps, Queen of Hearts, I addressed all the individual tags I could find and also removed an unnecessary section - the campaign section was duplicative of the "debates" and "leading campaign issues" sections which followed, so there was not anything to say. There was a generic "unreliable sources" banner at the top, but no individual tags to that effect. There are some cites to Facebook, but they are appropriate in context because they link to candidate statements and endorsements. Let me know if that's enough to shift your vote. FlipandFlopped 16:09, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is significant enough given the fight between West and East in East Europe. Also, the quality problems seem to have been fixed. Tradediatalk 21:19, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted ALT2. All issues raised above seem to have been addressed. Schwede66 23:26, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Kelly Powers

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Article: Kelly Powers (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced. Death published on this date. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 13:29, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Miho Nakayama

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Article: Miho Nakayama (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Japanese actress and singer. 240F:7A:6253:1:7956:811C:CEEE:B7FD (talk) 10:22, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The article's body looks good generally (although I am unsure about the reliability of some sources), but the filmography/TV series list is completed uncited. ForsythiaJo (talk) 21:38, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The ginormous tables at the end of the article need to be cited somehow. FlipandFlopped 00:07, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Soft oppose per tables, however, an uncited Filmography hasn't stopped articles being posted before. Scuba 18:53, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes it has, often. Stephen 23:59, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Stanisław Tym

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Article: Stanisław Tym (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WP (in Polish)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Orange tagged but could be easily expanded and brought to a good standard. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:10, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Soft support pending article expansion of course. I'm thoroughly heartbroken. One of the greats of Polish satire and comedy of the last fifty years. I have lots of work over the weekend but I'd love to find the time get the article up to standard. --Ouro (blah blah) 09:29, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose orange tagged. Ping me if the article is ever updated. Scuba 18:52, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Maggie Tabberer

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Article: Maggie Tabberer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [15], [16]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Happily888 (talk) 06:34, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support properly cited. Scuba 18:52, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]