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October 24

Portal:Current events/2020 October 24

Current events of October 24, 2020 (2020-10-24) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks War in Afghanistan October 2020 Afghanistan attacks Taliban insurgency The Taliban kills at least six security forces and injures two others in Nimruz Province. (TOLOnews) At least nine people are killed and another one injured after two bombs explode in Ghazni, Ghazni District, Ghazni Province. (TOLOnews) A suicide bombing kills at least 18 people and injures another 48 in Kabul. (TOLOnews) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in Belgium The Brussels regional government, headed by its minister-president Rudi Vervoort, orders sports and cultural facilities to close and imposes a curfew lasting between 10:00 pm and 6:00 am local time. In addition, masks once again become mandatory in public spaces, shops must close at 8:00 pm local time, and public gatherings of more than four people are banned. The measures will last until November 19. (The Brussels Times) COVID-19 pandemic in Bulgaria Sofia's mayor Yordanka Fandakova announces that it will close nightclubs and discos tomorrow for two weeks in an attempt to contain the spread of COVID-19. She also urges universities to switch to online education and appeals to businesses to have as many employees work from home as possible. (Reuters) COVID-19 pandemic in the Czech Republic The number of new confirmed cases in the Czech Republic surpasses 15,000 mark for the first time, when health authorities report a record of 15,252 new cases in a single day. (Radio Prague) COVID-19 pandemic in Germany Germany surpasses 10,000 COVID-19 deaths, as Robert Koch Institute reports a record 14,714 new cases in the last 24 hours. Germany is the twentieth country to surpass the 10,000 death milestone. (The Straits Times)) COVID-19 pandemic in Poland President Andrzej Duda tests positive for COVID-19. (DW) COVID-19 pandemic in Asia COVID-19 pandemic in Indonesia Jakarta surpasses 100,000 total COVID-19 cases, becoming the first province in Indonesia to reach that milestone. (Berita Satu) COVID-19 pandemic in Malaysia Malaysia reports 1,228 new infections, a record daily jump since the start of the pandemic, bringing the total number of cases to 25,742. Of those new cases, 449 of them are from Sabah. (CNA) COVID-19 pandemic in Chile Chile surpasses 500,000 cases of COVID-19, while active cases take in record low of 9,900. (National Post) Sports 2020 AFL season Richmond defeats Geelong by a 31-point margin in the 2020 AFL Grand Final at The Gabba in Brisbane. (News.com.au)

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Israel–Sudan normalization agreement

Article: Israel–Sudan normalization agreement (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Israel and Sudan normalize their relations for the first time. (Post)
News source(s): NYT WaPo BBC Fox AP Reuters NBC WH Guardian NPR Bloomberg CNN

Nominator's comments: Since it was established, and after it hosted notorious anti-Israel jihadist Osama, Sudan agreed to officially normalize their relationship. I expect nothing else than biased wikipedians to shut down this story from ITN, even when there's been no news items in days 2601:602:9200:1310:E988:4346:3E73:1A14 (talk) 01:30, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

• Comment The source given is behind a paywall. Not much use. Surely there's a non-paywalled one available. In addition, the little bit of it I am allowed begins with the words "Trump announces..." Sorry, but at this stage of the Presidential election campaign, that's of no value at all. So, a better, more independent source please. HiLo48 (talk) 01:38, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
• Further comment Since I posted the above comment, the nominator has added seven more sources. So thank you. However, every single one of them place massive emphasis on the fact that this announcement came from Trump. The worst is the headline from the WaPo, saying "Trump asked Israel’s leader if ‘Sleepy Joe’ could have made Israel-Sudan deal." This is very problematic. It makes the announcement more about Trump and the US election than about the Middle East. HiLo48 (talk) 01:50, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

The same rationale was presented when Bahrein came in after UAE, and when the Abraham Accords were fully signed in front of cameras, it was rejected on ITN as "old news" and as part of political moves, even though this stuff is the basics of geopolitics, rarely allowed through by regular ITN activists outside of progressivist causes. 2601:602:9200:1310:E988:4346:3E73:1A14 (talk) 02:25, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

"The same rationale was presented when Bahrein came in after UAE..." Really? Was that announcement made by a poorly polling US Presidential candidate a week and a half out from the election? You will have to work very hard to convince me this ISN'T "part of (US) political moves". And please have a read of Wikipedia:Assume good faith before you write more negative comments about other editors. HiLo48 (talk) 02:35, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Your rationale implies that had he been polling better, these accords would have been signed at a later point. But since he is running out of time, ITN should take a political stance and remove political developments and pretend these developments don't happen. Last current item on ITN is 7+ days old. 2601:602:9200:1310:E988:4346:3E73:1A14 (talk) 02:51, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

"Your rationale implies..." You have no idea what my rationale implies apart from the words I have written. I choose them carefully. You are NOT assuming good faith on my part. You began this nomination with a pre-emptive attack on other editors. Not a good look for a new editor. I submit that the one person displaying a bias in this matter is yourself. HiLo48 (talk) 03:03, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

The last item to be added to ITN is from October 21. It is 3 or 4 days old. But in any case, ITN works only on how important any given event is. And in any case, we do not aim to remove events from the table in just one week. 45.251.33.147 (talk) 03:08, 24 October 2020 (UTC) Last edited at 03:17, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

• Strong support Impressive, given that just a little over a year ago Sudan (under Omar Bashir) was one of the most rabidly anti-Semitic states in the world CoronaOneLove (talk) 02:19, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose We posted the UAE one, but the subsequent one with Bahrain was not posted. The precedent ought to hold This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 02:45, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Boiling frog with everything we dislike in our progressive ITN corner. 2601:602:9200:1310:E988:4346:3E73:1A14 (talk) 02:54, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

I don't see how this is an example of a boiling frog. This just isn't that significant, as these countries haven't had any direct conflict with Israel (It's kind of like if Myanmar suddenly announced support for Taiwan. Would it be significant? Yes. Would it be important enough for ITN? No. Gex4pls (talk) 03:51, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose on only one reason - this is the third Arab country to normalize relations with Israel in the past 4 months. We can't have blurbs for each country that normalises relations at this pace. But if the KSA or Iraq does so then it will probably be blurb-worthy. 45.251.33.147 (talk) 02:59, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
• Slight oppose important, but we've had quite a few countries open relations with Israel as of late, If a more vocal country (Egypt, Iraq, Saudi Arabia etc.) were to do so, would definitely get my support. Gex4pls (talk) 03:45, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
• Leaning support, given the novelty of this particular pairing. For the record, however, as I have noted before, Saudi Arabia and Israel have already tacitly been allied since at least as early as 2014; a publicity event for this longstanding arrangement would not be newsworthy. A peace accord between Israel and Iran would certainly be. BD2412 T 03:58, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
• Weak Support while Sudan is third Arabian country that normalize relations with Israel, this is major events, as Israel seeks to have normalizing relations with Arab country that has been enemy since 1948. 36.65.38.17 (talk) 05:12, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose We cannot post one of these for every single Muslim country. Oman is almost certainly going to normalize relations with Israel very soon, and I wouldn't be surprised if Kuwait does as well. Unless it's Iran, I oppose posting any more of these. Also, you very blatantly have a political agenda here. Yes, I am assuming bad faith, but your rhetoric makes your bad faith readily apparent. Mlb96 (talk) 06:26, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support The agreement is no less important than the UAE agreement two months ago, because the two countries have fought military conflicts, and Israel bombed it several times because of its alliance with Iran and Hamas.--Sakiv (talk) 06:36, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support There were actually in war. So its a big step toward peace in region --Shrike (talk) 07:17, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose - Important news, but the possibility was already announced during the Abraham Accords. It is actually part of a broader trend and this should not be seen as a single independent event.--WEBDuB (talk) 09:12, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose – Per Mlb96. Smacks of the political bandwagon syndrome. – Sca (talk) 12:49, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose There is no agreement to establish embassies, which is what "normalization" is usually being taken to mean and it is in the future, whatever it is; https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/head-of-sudans-largest-party-slams-recognizing-israel/2020/10/24/ec7735e6-15f5-11eb-a258-614acf2b906d_story.html does not bode well. We should wait for concrete developments.Selfstudier (talk) 14:22, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose This is neither a Trump nor Israel ticker. There is no actual conflict. Albertaont (talk) 15:14, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Suspiciously timed October surprise that is essentially meaningless. WaltCip-(talk) 16:03, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

That is not unmeaningless. – Sca (talk) 17:14, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

• Comment: IMO, the removal of Sudan from the US's State Sponsors of Terrorism list (Sudan–United_States_relations#Post-al-Bashir) is arguably the bigger story here. Spencer^T•C 16:46, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose we didn’t post the last two, this is no difference. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 16:47, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Sudan is barely a state, shares no border with Israel and is no threat to them. This is a typically cynical attempt by Trumpists to make a meal out of a nothingburger. Let me know when Syria gets the Golan Heights back or Israel returns to the pre-1967 borders. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:10, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

October 23

Portal:Current events/2020 October 23

Current events of October 23, 2020 (2020-10-23) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks War in Afghanistan Taliban insurgency October 2020 Afghanistan attacks The Taliban kills at least 20 Afghan soldiers. The attack occurred in Khash Rod District, Nimroz Province. (TOLOnews) Second Libyan Civil War The United Nations mission for Libya announces that the warring parties in the war have agreed to a "permanent ceasefire in all areas of Libya". The UN says it is an "important turning point towards peace and stability in Libya". The Libyan National Army (LNA) of Khalifa Haftar, based in the east, had been at war with the Government of National Accord (GNA), based in Tripoli. (Al Arabiya) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in Spain COVID-19 pandemic in the Community of Madrid The Madrid regional government announces new restrictions aimed at curbing the spread of COVID-19 when the current state of emergency expires tomorrow. Under the new rules, bars and restaurants will have to close by midnight and not be able to accept new patrons after 11:00 pm local time, and socializing with people outside of one's household will be prohibited between midnight and 6:00 am local time. Outside of these hours, social gatherings will be limited to a maximum of six people. Capacity at theaters and cinemas, as well as indoor sports facilities, will be reduced to 50%. Parks and gardens will be closed between midnight and 6:00 am local time. (El Pais in English) The regional government of Castile and León orders a curfew between 10 p.m. and 6 a.m. local time that will take effect tomorrow and last for two weeks. (RTVE) The Governments of Catalonia, Euskadi, Extremadura, Asturias, Melilla, and La Rioja urge the national government to declare a state of alarm. (La Vanguardia) COVID-19 pandemic in the United Kingdom COVID-19 pandemic in Scotland Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon unveils parts of the draft five-level system of restrictions to curb the spread of COVID-19, ranging from Level Zero to Level Four. The new system will come into force on November 2 if the draft is approved by Scottish Parliament in Holyrood, Edinburgh, next week, and the application of different levels in different areas will be reviewed on a weekly basis. (ITV) COVID-19 pandemic in Belgium Belgium's Consultative Committee announces that it will tighten its restrictions on social contacts by banning fans from sporting events, closing amusement parks, and imposing a limit of 200 people allowed in theatres, concert halls, and cinemas. The measures take effect immediately and will last for four weeks until November 19, in order to prevent the spread of COVID-19 threatening to overwhelm hospitals. (The Brussels Times) COVID-19 pandemic in France France surpasses one million COVID-19 cases after a record 42,032 new infections are reported in the last 24 hours, becoming the second European Union country to reach the milestone after Spain and the seventh country in the world to reach the same level. (ABC News) COVID-19 pandemic in Italy Italy reports 19,143 new cases in the last 24 hours, a new record for the third consecutive day since the pandemic began, taking the nationwide total to 484,869. (ANSA) COVID-19 pandemic in the Netherlands The Flevo hospital in Almere begins to transfer two of its COVID-19 intensive care patients by helicopter to a hospital in Muenster, near the Dutch-German border, as hospitals in the Netherlands come under increasing strain from a second wave of infections. (Reuters) COVID-19 pandemic in Poland After Poland reports the highest single-day record of 13,632 new infections, Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki announces the designation of the country as a "red zone" area, which means that tomorrow it will partially close schools, with only grades one to three attending classes, restrict gatherings to five people, and restrict the operations of restaurants, cafés, and pubs to only serve take-away or delivery services. He also advises people over 70 years of age to stay home. (Times of India) COVID-19 pandemic in Portugal The Portuguese Parliament approves a bill that imposes the mandatory use of a mask for people over ten years of age in crowded outdoor areas if social distancing cannot be implemented, as requested by the government, as a measure to curb the spread of COVID-19. The measures will be in effect for 70 days. (The Star) COVID-19 pandemic in Romania The number of new cases since the beginning of the pandemic in Romania rises by a record of 5,028 in the past 24 hours, as new restrictions are introduced in Bucharest and other cities. (Digi 24) COVID-19 pandemic in Russia Russia reports 17,340 new cases, a new record high in the past 24 hours, raising the cumulative case total to 1,480,646. Despite the rise, authorities pledge not to reimpose strict lockdown measures across the country and declare the epidemic "under control." (CBS News) COVID-19 pandemic in the United States COVID-19 pandemic in Arkansas The Arkansas Department of Health reports 1,337 new infections in the last 24 hours, a new record high since the pandemic began. In total, there are 104,135 confirmed and probable cases. (Arkansas Online) COVID-19 pandemic in North Carolina North Carolina reports a record number of new COVID-19 cases in the state, with 2,716 new cases in 24 hours. (WBTV) COVID-19 pandemic in Ohio Ohio reports 2,518 new cases, a new record high for a single day. (WLWT) COVID-19 pandemic in Oregon Oregon reports 550 new infections in the last 24 hours, a new record high since the pandemic began. 135 of them were from Multnomah County. (KGW8) COVID-19 pandemic in Pennsylvania Pennsylvania reports 2,219 new cases of COVID-19, its highest single-day amount since April. (WPVI-TV) The United States reports a new record high of 83,010 new cases. In total nearly 8.5 million cases have been reported since the pandemic began. (BBC) COVID-19 pandemic in Iran The number of new cases since the beginning of the pandemic in Iran rises by a record of 6,134 in the past 24 hours and pushes the overall count up to 556,891. This is the first time that new cases have surpassed more than 6,000. In addition, health ministry spokeswoman Sima Sadat Lari warns that 30 of 31 provinces are in the red zone with a high risk of COVID-19 infection. (Anadolu Agency) COVID-19 pandemic in Malaysia Malaysia reports 10 deaths from COVID-19, making it the deadliest day since the beginning of the outbreak. (The Edge Markets) COVID-19 vaccine AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson resume their Phase III trials in the United States for a COVID-19 vaccine after previously pausing them as a result of complications with some volunteers. (Wall Street Journal) International relations Israel–Sudan normalization agreement, Israel–Sudan relations Israel and Sudan agree to establish diplomatic relations. (BBC) Law and crime Protests over responses to the COVID-19 pandemic, COVID-19 pandemic in Italy Hundreds of people protests in Naples after stricter COVID-19 measures were imposed in the city and the whole region of Campania. The protestors clashed with police, wounding seven officers with smoke bombs, burning trash bins and chanting against the President of the region, Vincenzo De Luca. Two people are arrested. (Il Fatto Quotidiano) (ITV)

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October 22

Portal:Current events/2020 October 22

Current events of October 22, 2020 (2020-10-22) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks War in Afghanistan Officials in Takhar Province, Afghanistan, report that 12 civilians, 11 of them children, were killed by an airstrike on a madrasa. The central government says it killed 12 Taliban fighters. (BBC) Syrian civil war The Sunni Muslim Grand Mufti of Damascus Sheikh Mohammed Adnan Afiouni is assassinated in a car bombing in the Syrian capital, according to state media. (Reuters) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in North America COVID-19 pandemic in the United States COVID-19 pandemic in Hawaii Hawaii registers 14 additional COVID-19 fatalities, which have now pushed the state's death toll to 203. (Hawaii News Now) COVID-19 pandemic in New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy goes into quarantine after two of his staffers tested positive for COVID-19. (WNBC) COVID-19 pandemic in Washington (state) Governor Jay Inslee announces that the state's COVID-19 cases have officially surpassed 100,000. (Daily Hive) COVID-19 pandemic in Michigan Michigan reports 43 new deaths, its highest single-day total since May 30. (WJRT-TV) The Food and Drug Administration approves remdesivir to treat COVID-19 in hospitalized patients. The drug, manufactured by the pharmaceutical company Gilead under the brand name Veklury, is the first fully approved COVID-19 treatment in the United States. (BBC) COVID-19 pandemic in Canada COVID-19 pandemic in Alberta, Travel restrictions related to the COVID-19 pandemic It is announced that the Canadian government and Alberta are launching a pilot program to test eligible returning travelers for COVID-19, allowing them to leave quarantine in two days once they receive a negative result instead of a normal two-week quarantine. The move could potentially bring relief to the country's struggling airline and tourism industries. Starting November 2, the new testing option will be offered at the Coutts land border crossing in southern Alberta and Calgary International Airport. (CBC) COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in France Prime Minister Jean Castex announces that 38 more departments, as well as French Polynesia, will be placed under curfew starting October 24. In total, 54 departments will now adhere to the new hourly limitations between 9:00 pm and 6:00 am local time, affecting almost 46 million people in these areas. (BBC) The number of new confirmed cases in France hits an alarming record high of 41,622 in the last 24 hours, making it the first time the country has reported more than 40,000 new cases. (Anadolu Agency) COVID-19 pandemic in Greece The number of new confirmed cases in Greece hits a record high of 882 in the past 24 hours, making it the highest number in a single day since the pandemic began, bringing the cumulative total to 28,216. (Greek Reporter) Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis announces new measures to curb the spread of COVID-19. These measures include the "compulsory" use of masks both indoors and outdoors and imposition of a curfew between 12:30 am and 5:00 am local time in all areas deemed as high-risk zones, including Athens and Thessaloniki, starting October 24. (Medical Xpress) COVID-19 pandemic in Portugal Portugal reports a record daily increase with 3,270 new cases, bringing the cumulative counts to 109,541 confirmed cases and 2,245 deaths. (DGS) Portugal announces that tomorrow, the municipalities of Felgueiras, Lousada, and Paços de Ferreira will go into a partial lockdown, which means that people will only be able to leave home for work, school, or other essential activities. In addition, visits to care homes will be banned, events can only be attended by a maximum of five people, and commercial outlets must close by 10:00 pm local time. (National Post) COVID-19 pandemic in Austria The number of new confirmed cases in Austria surges to a record 2,435 in the past 24 hours, making it the highest single-day increase yet since the pandemic began. (Hindustan Times) COVID-19 pandemic in Belgium Belgian incumbent Foreign Minister and former Prime Minister Sophie Wilmès is admitted to an intensive care unit nearly a week after testing positive for COVID-19. (Sky News) COVID-19 pandemic in Cyprus Minister of Health Constantinos Ioannou announces the imposing of a curfew in Limassol and Paphos districts and a mask mandate for all outdoor spaces. (Cyprus-Mail) COVID-19 pandemic in Germany For the first time since the beginning of the pandemic, Germany has recorded more than 10,000 COVID-19 cases in a single day, when the Robert Koch Institute reported 11,287 new infections in 24 hours. (France 24) COVID-19 pandemic in Italy Italy reports a record high in new infections, topping 16,000 daily cases for the first time since the start of the pandemic. According to data from the Health Ministry, the nationwide total has reached 465,726 cases. (Daily Sabah) COVID-19 pandemic in Slovakia Prime Minister Igor Matovič announces that Slovakia will shut down most of its schools and require the population to stay home apart from work, essential shopping, and nature trips between October 24 and November 1, in an attempt to curb the spread of COVID-19. He also plans to go ahead with nationwide free testing of 5.5 million people across the country. (Yahoo News) COVID-19 pandemic in Spain The Health Ministry reports a record high of 20,986 new cases in Spain in the last 24 hours and put the cumulative 14-day incidence rate at 349 infections per 100,000 inhabitants. (El Pais in English) COVID-19 pandemic in India COVID-19 pandemic in West Bengal On the first day of Durga Puja, West Bengal records its highest single-day spike of 4,157 new cases in the past 24 hours as doctors warn that the number could rise massively given a large number of gatherings in markets, shopping malls, and restaurants. (The Week) COVID-19 pandemic in Morocco Morocco's Ministry of Health reports 4,151 new cases in the past 24 hours. This is the highest number of reported infections in a single day, bringing the total number of confirmed infections to 186,731. (Morocco World News) COVID-19 vaccine Moderna announces that they have fully enrolled their trial, with around 30,000 participants. (The Washington Post) International relations Taiwan–United States relations The United States Department of State approves a $1.8 billion weapon sales deal with Taiwan. (Al Jazeera) Iran–United States relations, Iran–Iraq relations, Iranian intervention in Iraq The U.S. Department of the Treasury says it has blacklisted Iraj Masjedi, the Iranian Ambassador to Iraq, saying he has overseen the training and support of Shia militia groups, which are responsible for attacks on U.S. and coalition forces in Iraq. (Reuters) Law and crime Killing of George Floyd A Hennepin County, Minnesota judge drops the third-degree murder charge against former Minneapolis Police officer Derek Chauvin, who was filmed kneeling on the neck of George Floyd for nearly nine minutes in May. He still faces second-degree murder and manslaughter charges. (NPR) 2020 Thai protests Thailand's Prime Minister Prayuth Chan-ocha lifts the "severe" state of emergency that was imposed in Bangkok to crack down on the protesters. (CNN) French police launch an investigation into a racist attack on Sunday, in which two Muslim women were repeatedly stabbed near the Eiffel Tower while the perpetrators, believed to be two other women, shouted racial epithets at the victims. The attack came as tensions mount over the murder of Samuel Paty. (Al Jazeera) (Euro Weekly News) (National Turk) Authorities announce the May arrest of a 19-year-old man from Kannapolis, North Carolina, who had allegedly been plotting to kill Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden, after police towed his van and recovered firearms and explosives from it. He is being charged with possession of child pornography in relation to video and images later found in his electronic devices. (WTVD) (WGHP) Politics and elections 2020 Guinean presidential election Preliminary results show Alpha Condé winning Guinea's latest presidential election. The announcement sparks violent protests in the capital Conakry. (DW) 2020 Seychellois parliamentary election; 2020 Seychellois presidential election Presidential and parliamentary elections are being simultaneously held in Seychelles. Voting is scheduled to last until October 24. (Seychelles News Agency) Vote of no confidence in the government of Pedro Sánchez Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez survives a vote of no-confidence presented by the far-right Vox political party. (ABC News) 2020 United States presidential debates President Donald Trump and former Vice President Joe Biden meet for the final debate before the election next month. (The New York Times) Saad Hariri is designated as Prime Minister of Lebanon, tasked with forming his fourth government, by a slim majority of the Chamber of Deputies. (Al Jazeera) The Constitutional Tribunal of Poland rules that abortions in cases of fetal defects are unconstitutional. Once the decision comes into effect, terminations will only be allowed in cases of rape or incest, or if the mother's health is at risk. Poland's abortion laws were already among the strictest in Europe. (BBC)

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(Posted) RD: J. Michael Lane

Article: J. Michael Lane (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Ktin (talk • give credit)
• Updated by KittenKlub (talk • give credit)

Nominator's comments: We have a peculiar situation where the article page doesn't exist. But, surely, one would have thought he would have had a page. Let's see if we can get something going. Article page created. Article has shaped up as a nice start-class biography. Meets hygiene standards for RD. Ktin (talk) 07:12, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support Small, well referenced article built like grease lightning. Also important in this day and age. KittenKlub (talk) 08:02, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support - Looks ready for posting.BabbaQ (talk) 09:10, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Well sourced, all the ISBN's there, looks good for RD JW 1961 Talk 11:10, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 16:43, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Joel Daly

Article: Joel Daly (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Chicago Tribune; Chicago Sun-Times; WLS-TV (ABC)
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk • give credit)

Article updated

 Bloom6132 (talk) 01:06, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support - Article is well sourced. The career section is in-depth. TJMSmith (talk) 02:55, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Suitable for RD, well sourced JW 1961 Talk 14:34, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 18:40, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Lebanon PM

Article: Saad Hariri (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Saad Hariri becomes the new Prime Minister of Lebanon (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera
Credits:

• Nominated by 195.250.80.226 (talk • give credit)

Nominator's comments: Sorry I don't know template/protocol, Hariri might not be head of state, but this shuffling is pretty big in the instability there. He's not got a cabinet set up, but he will. 195.250.80.226 (talk) 18:55, 22 October 2020 (UTC) 195.250.80.226 (talk) 18:55, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• Wait It seems that he is not officially PM again yet, as he has only been appointed by parliament to try and form a new coalition. It remains to be seen whether he will succeed, and I'm not enough of an expert in Lebanese politics to know how likely that is. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 20:15, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Fair enough. Thanks for your consideration. It will happen, I just don't know when.195.250.80.226 (talk) 01:22, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) Ongoing: Thai protests

Article: 2020 Thai protests (talk, history)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Destroyeraa (talk • give credit)

Nominator's comments: So the Thai protests were pushed off. Still ongoing very much, as this just happened. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 13:09, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• Comment – See also: AP, BBC, Reuters. – Sca (talk) 13:20, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Article is in good shape, and I can see significant updates regarding events that occurred on 20, 21, and 22 October. Meets all of the criteria for ongoing. --Jayron32 14:22, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support I was going to do this, so apperciate the work by 🌀 to keep on top of this! Albertaont (talk) 14:48, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
  • @Albertaont: Thank you! ~ Destroyeraa🌀 15:50, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support protesters have given the prime minister until 24 Oct to step down, so figures to be in the news for at least a bit more.—Bagumba (talk) 14:51, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Protests aren't over, so i don't see why they shouldn't go to ongoing. Gex4pls (talk) 15:01, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support - oingoing is correct.BabbaQ (talk) 15:20, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose the number of participants has been steadily declining and according to the article "The following day, Prayuth revoked the severe emergency declaration on Bangkok that was declared a week earlier, citing that the violent situation had ended". ... "situation had ended". Seems the exact opposite of ongoing to me? Unless we just want to use the box as a coatrack to complain about the Thai royal family in which case post away. --LaserLegs (talk) 21:16, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment do make a good point, depending on direction, we could do a vote on removal soon. It is clear that its more "analysis" than event at this point. Albertaont (talk) 15:19, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
• Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:59, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) Lekki massacre

Topic is already in ongoing. Stephen 00:49, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

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Article: Lekki Massacre (talk, history)
Blurb: ​The Nigerian army shoots at peaceful protesters, killing 12 according to Amnesty International. (Post)
News source(s): https://apnews.com/article/police-violence-police-brutality-lagos-nigeria-98ee3550fb576d561d84b372a65cc95f
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Eostrix (talk • give credit)
• Updated by Emmanuel okon269 (talk • give credit) and Comatmebro (talk • give credit) and ChuksJD (talk • give credit)

Nominator's comments: Massacre of peaceful protesters in Nigeria, top item in international news. File:Lekki-toll-gate-lagos.jpg is the location of the shooting[1] Eostrix  (^{🦉 hoot} _hoot🦉) 03:53, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• Comment This and the recently added Ongoing entry need to be dovetailed somehow. I would prefer this blurb and the removal of the Ongoing entry, because I believe our article on this subject colors the situation. But it has to be either blurb or Ongoing.130.233.213.55 (talk) 07:06, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose This is already covered by (and is just part of) the protests article, which is already in `ongoing` section. The article itself should have been a section in the main protests article as it's not distinct from that root cause. I am also leery of titling such fork article "...massacre", of course no credible international media call it a such. Not even the local ones, except in scare quotes or in opinion pieces. – Ammarpad (talk) 08:27, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

  When created, it was at Lekki shooting, which is supported by sources like Nigeria Sars protests: Horror over shootings in Lagos, BBC. It was moved to massacre. Amnesty Intentional did give a double-digit death toll, so it's not without reason. It could be moved back to shooting or shootings, or we could wait to see where the media stabilizes.--Eostrix  (^{🦉 hoot} _hoot🦉) 10:31, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose new blurb. We just posted this to Ongoing, and these sorts of situations where multiple important events tied to a single topic (end SARS) is the reason we have "ongoing". There are likely to be events daily similar to this one, and instead of posting each one, we have the Ongoing link for a reason. --Jayron32 11:55, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose – No need for Wiki to jump on the bandwagon again. – Sca (talk) 12:19, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose - already on ongoing. Nothing more than the missile strike, which wasn't posted. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 12:31, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose: We just put SARS in ongoing, which means that the ongoing includes everything that is related to SARS, so there is no need to add this at all. SoloGaming (talk) 12:39, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose SARS tickingThis post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 16:29, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

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October 21

Portal:Current events/2020 October 21

Current events of October 21, 2020 (2020-10-21) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks War in Afghanistan October 2020 Afghanistan attacks The Taliban kills at least 12 members of the police in Baharak District, Takhar Province. (TOLOnews) End SARS, Lekki massacre Nigerian police open fire on protestors in Lekki, Lagos State, killing several people; Amnesty International puts the death toll at "at least 12". (The New York Post) (The Guardian) 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh conflict Azerbaijani forces say they have captured the town of Mincivan and 13 other settlements in Zangilan District, Nagorno-Karabakh. (TASS) Arts and culture Pope Francis says he supports civil unions for same-sex couples. (NBC News) Business and economy COVID-19 pandemic in Hong Kong, Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on airlines Cathay Dragon ceases operations as a result of the decline in air travel due to COVID-19 and the protests that have occurred since 2019. (Al Jazeera) Disasters and accidents A stampede at a stadium in Jalalabad, Nangarhar, Afghanistan, kills 15 people and wounds 11 others. (Al Jazeera) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in the United Kingdom COVID-19 pandemic in England, COVID-19 tier regulations in England It is announced that South Yorkshire will move into tier three restrictions at 00:01 am BST on October 24, after a deal was reached between local leaders and the government to provide £41 million in extra support. The restrictions will cover around 1.4 million people in Barnsley, Doncaster, Rotherham, Sheffield, and the surrounding areas. (BBC) (ITV) The number of confirmed cases in the United Kingdom surges to a new record high of 26,688, bringing the total number of confirmed cases to 789,229. (Sky News) COVID-19 pandemic in Italy Lombardy reports a new record high of new infections, with 4,120 new cases reported in the last 24 hours and positivity rates surging to 11%. (Il Giorno) Italy registers 15,199 new infections in the past 24 hours, according to the health ministry, the highest daily tally since the start of the outbreak in the country. While deaths increase by 127, this is the first time virus-related deaths have surged above 100 since May. (RTÉ) It is announced that Lazio will introduce a curfew between midnight and 5:00 am local time starting October 23, becoming the third Italian region to impose a curfew, after Lombardy and Campania. (Il Messaggero) COVID-19 pandemic in the Czech Republic Czech Republic reports a new record high of new infections in a single day, with 11,984 new cases reported in the last 24 hours, taking the nationwide total to 193,246. (The Times Of India) In response to the surge of new cases, the Czech government announces that it will close non-essential shops and limit the people's movement to essential reasons only in new lockdown measures effective between tomorrow at 6:00 am and November 3 at 11:59 pm local time. (Politico.eu) COVID-19 pandemic in Spain Spain exceeds one million cases of COVID-19, becoming the first country in the EU to do so. (Sky News) La Rioja becomes the second region to go into perimetral lockdown. (La Vanguardia) COVID-19 pandemic in Germany Federal Health Minister Jens Spahn tests positive for COVID-19. (DW) COVID-19 pandemic in Greece Greece reports 865 new cases in the past 24 hours, a new record high, raising the number of confirmed cases to 27,334, according to data from the National Public Health Organization (Ekathimerini) Greek Civil Protection Deputy Minister Nikos Hardalias announces the designation of Kastoria into Level Four (red zone) and imposes a local lockdown in the region starting October 23 in an attempt to curb the spread of COVID-19 in the region. (Greek Travel Pages) COVID-19 pandemic in Croatia Croatia registers 1,424 new infections in the last 24 hours, a new record high since the beginning of the pandemic. (Croatia Week) COVID-19 pandemic in Poland Poland surpasses 200,000 COVID-19 cases after a record 10,040 new cases were reported by the Health Ministry in the last 24 hours. (Swiss Info) COVID-19 pandemic in Russia Russia reports a record 317 new fatalities, taking the nationwide total to 24,952, as the country resists reintroducing strict lockdown measures. (The Moscow Times) COVID-19 pandemic in Slovakia Slovakia reports 2,202 new cases in the last 24 hours, a new record in a single day since the start of the pandemic, according to data from the Health Ministry. (Reuters) COVID-19 pandemic in Slovenia Slovenia reports 1,503 new cases in the past 24 hours, its highest number yet, taking the nationwide total to 15,982. In addition, a record eight people have died in the last 24 hours. (STA) COVID-19 pandemic in Ukraine Ukraine registers a record 6,719 new infections in the past 24 hours, bringing the total number of confirmed COVID-19 cases to 309,107, according to the interactive map of the NSDC. (Kyiv Post) COVID-19 pandemic in Asia COVID-19 pandemic in Iran Iran announces a record-high single-day spike in new cases since the first case was reported in Qom in February, with 5,616 new infections reported in the last 24 hours, according to a statement from Health Ministry spokeswoman Sima-Sadat Lari. (Anadolu Agency) COVID-19 pandemic in Jordan Jordan reports 2,648 new cases, its highest daily number since the start of the pandemic as the country faces a major outbreak, with a tripling of deaths in just the last two weeks. The record numbers increase its total of cases to 43,620. (Reuters) COVID-19 pandemic in the United States COVID-19 pandemic in Ohio The Ohio Department of Health registers 2,366 cases in the last 24 hours. This is the highest single-day increase in cases for Ohio during the pandemic, and this brings the statewide total to 188,005. (WJW-TV) COVID-19 pandemic in Wisconsin Wisconsin reports a record 48 new deaths, bringing the state's death toll to 1,681 and the death rate up from 0.91% to 0.92%. (WBAY-TV) Law and crime Trial of Catalonia independence leaders The former leadership of the Mossos d'Esquadra, the Catalan regional police, whose defendants are Major Josep Lluís Trapero, Pere Soler, Cèsar Puig, and Lieutenant Teresa Laplana, are acquitted by the National Audience of the crimes of sedition and disobedience for their role during the 2017 Catalan independence referendum. (La Vanguardia)

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Pope endorses same-sex civil unions

Article: Pope Francis and homosexuality (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Pope Francis is the first Pope to publicly endorse same-sex civil unions. (Post)
News source(s): The Associated Press, The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by TJMSmith (talk • give credit)

Nominator's comments: Interview was publicly released October 21. TJMSmith (talk) 17:23, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

• Comment. This seems to be his personal view and not official Church policy, unless I am missing something. 331dot (talk) 17:25, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose In addition to this being a personal view , this was before he was Pope, the news coming from found footage cut from a previous work and not a Papal declaration. --Masem (t) 17:30, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

RD: Frank Horvat

Article: Frank Horvat (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian; Swissinfo
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk • give credit)

Article updated

 Bloom6132 (talk) 00:42, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

• Comment: This is close but needs a little bit of work: still very much like WP:PROSELINE; lede mentions information that does not appear later in the article or duplicates finer details that should just appear in the body; would like to see body a little more fleshed out. Spencer^T•C 16:32, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Viola Smith

Article: Viola Smith (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk • give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk • give credit)

Article updated

 Bloom6132 (talk) 22:03, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support Well referenced and a small, but comprehensive article. KittenKlub (talk) 06:52, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 16:36, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Marge Champion

Article: Marge Champion (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times; The Guardian; The Hollywood Reporter
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk • give credit)

Article updated

 Bloom6132 (talk) 02:42, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support. Looks good. Well referenced and good structure too. I am not a fan of bullet list being used in the 'legacy and honors' section, but, then prose being written there rather than a list. Should be an easy fix. Good to go post that. PS: Nice job on the filmography! Ktin (talk) 03:16, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Ktin: done. —Bloom6132 (talk) 08:01, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support Looks ready for RD JW 1961 Talk 14:36, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 18:36, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

New pair of salivary glands

Article: Salivary gland (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Scientists discover a new pair of salivary glands in humans. (Post)
News source(s): Radiotherapy & Oncology CNN, The Scientist, The Hindu
Credits:

• Nominated by Brandmeister (talk • give credit)

Nominator's comments: While the article in Radiotherapy & Oncology was published on 22 September, for some reason mainstream media broke the news on 21 October (while I learned about it today), so I'm giving this a try. If anything, the current update is small. Brandmeister^talk 16:40, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• Unsure I had read about this a few days ago. The reason I didn't think of this for ITN, the sources were giving the sense that it was just a claim from one group of researchers, and is yet to be confirmed independently, for one, and for another, there was uncertainty as to how it should be categorised (a new organ, a new part of a previously known organ, ..., ...). I would like clarification on what exactly the finding is that we would be hailing as a significant leap and what the confidence is with which we can claim it. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 16:50, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment is this verified? ~ Destroyeraa🌀 19:33, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
  • After scans the researchers reportedly dissected two cadavers, one male and one female. They all had a set. But, per CNN, "the study concentrated on a small number of patients who were mostly male and used specific rather than standard tests [...] examination of more women and healthier patients would allow for better data". Still, I don't think it would be disproven. Brandmeister^talk 20:18, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment I don't how notable Radiotherapy & Oncology is within it's field, but I find it an odd venue for reporting new findings in anatomy. Target article has been orange tagged for expansion since 2018, which is unsuitable for a non-event article. This seems a little too close to primary sources for the Front Page.130.233.2.222 (talk) 05:59, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

  Apparently knowing about a new organ(?) that should be missed during radiotherapy is likely to increase the patient's quality of life significantly. Usedtobecool ☎️ 01:32, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

• Wait Until more accurate results come out; and see how the medical community responds. Gex4pls (talk) 14:25, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Vijayalakshmi Ramanan

Article: Vijayalakshmi Ramanan (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deccan Herald Indian Express
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Ktin (talk • give credit)
• Created by Naushervan (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: First woman Indian Air Force officer. Article is shaping up as a start-class biography. Should be ready soon. Edits done. Article looks good and ready for homepage / RD. RIP. And if someone has some time for a clip. RIP Dr. Ramanan. Ktin (talk) 05:08, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support Well sourced and a interesting story. KittenKlub (talk) 08:16, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Well sourced article, suitable for RD JW 1961 Talk 11:47, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Per above. Gex4pls (talk) 14:04, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• Posted with a 21 October date, as that appears to be when the death was publicised. Black Kite (talk) 22:00, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) ORISIS-Rex makes touchdown with asteroid

Article: OSIRIS-REx (talk, history)
Blurb: ​The OSIRIS-REx probe successfully makes brief touchdown and collects a sample from the asteroid Bennu. (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
Credits:

• Nominated by Masem (talk • give credit)

Article updated
Nominated event is listed at WP:ITN/R, meaning that the recurrence of the event should in itself merit a post on WP:ITN, subject to the quality of the article and any update(s) to it.

Nominator's comments: First: yes, OSIRIS has been ITN twice before: at launch, and when it achieved near orbit of the asteroid. Yesterday, NASA has it manuerver to briefly land and collect a sample from the asteroid, which they confirmed actually happened today via video and on-board sensors. Technically, that's arrival at the destination per ITNR, but even if that's not the case, it is the first for mankind to collect a sample known to be from an asteroid well outside of Earth's atmosphere. Masem (t) 23:21, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support Interesting, notable and on TV This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 00:17, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment Should we not wait until it returns as that would be clearly more significant/relevant than just its touchdown. Its return is going to be posted and I don't see the point of posting this twice. Gotitbro (talk) 00:27, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

A lot of the article is in the future tense as well, clearly marking it out that the return is the important part. Gotitbro (talk) 00:30, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

As I pointed out, we have posted its launch and when it achieved orbit around the asteroid before. Yes, bringing back the sample will be important too, but that's probably the less unknown part at this point. --Masem (t) 02:47, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support Interesting and quite significant. I'd suggest the wikilink be changed to "Bennu" instead of "the asteroid Bennu". Ovinus (talk) 00:31, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Fixed. --Masem (t) 02:48, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support very interesting and in the news. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 00:54, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Notable even without ITN/R and very interesting; article is well-sourced.  Nixinova   T   C   01:39, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support. New that goes beyond any one country or culture. BD2412 T 02:54, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support in principle. Article is pretty impressive. I added a few missing citations, but there are a few sections that need more intext citations. TJMSmith (talk) 04:13, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support - As above. Sherenk1 (talk) 11:21, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• Posted. I don't have time at the moment to work on adding the image, and I felt the current image could use a little more time, but I have no objection to its being changed. 331dot (talk) 11:31, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• I missed this one and am happy that was posted. However Masem's nomination comment is incorrect: both Hayabusa and Hayabusa2 have collected samples from asteroids before. Modest Genius ^talk 16:09, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
  • My bad, glad I didn't push that into the blurb. --Masem (t) 16:25, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• Issues- I don't know what happened but there are currently 11 cn tags on the article. The sample acquisition procedure (isn't that having happened the news that's been posted?) is in the future tense, some other things too (like #Instruments). And I don't understand what the "Mission duration" parameter of the infobox is saying. I have seen articles on more high profile news held up from the main page for a lot less. Pull? Usedtobecool ☎️ 01:49, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: James Randi

Article: James Randi (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Randi Foundation NYT
Credits:

• Nominated by 174.89.48.182 (talk • give credit)

Nominator's comments: Perhaps the most notable debunker (although that wasn't the term he liked) of claims of the paranormal 174.89.48.182 (talk) 21:50, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• Comment – No article linked. – Sca (talk) 22:03, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Done Article linked. Yoninah (talk) 22:07, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
    • Meta-comment: The template says "do not wikilink" the article. I didn't understand why, but I complied. (A moment later.) Oh, I see, it means to only state the title and not put double square brackets around it. I didn't think of that. --174.89.48.182 (talk) 22:16, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support. A very thorough article. BD2412 T 22:13, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment Support: I support this in principle, but I would like to wait a little bit for some reliable, secondary news sources to report on this. KConWiki (talk) 22:14, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

  The Randi Foundation isn't reliable enough? P-K3 (talk) 22:34, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

That's his official website, most news sources will probably get their info from here, unless his family gives a separate statement to the media. Gotitbro (talk) 22:35, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Right, but I wanted to wait for news articles to start coming in so that we wouldn't have people worrying about the Randi Foundation not being secondary. The Washington Post has this now, so I say let's post this as a recent death. KConWiki (talk) 00:15, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support Article looks good, well known in the skeptical community along with his organization CSICOP. Gotitbro (talk) 22:32, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Looks well referenced, I don't see any significant gaps. P-K3 (talk) 22:34, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Article looks great. No errors that I can see. SoloGaming (talk) 00:18, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Notable person and good article. -Abhishikt (talk) 00:48, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 00:50, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• Weak oppose some places still need citations. There is a cn tag in Personal life. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 00:55, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment. Unfortunately, the number of tags on the article has increased. Currently at 8. If someone can fix those, this article is all set to go to homepage. Ktin (talk) 06:27, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support. Decent article, and a very significant death - father of the modern scientific skeptical movement. Guy (help! - typo?) 09:10, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support A father of modern scientific skepticism and highly important figure in the skeptical movement. JanderVK (talk) 15:41, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Looks Ready. There were two cn tags. I commented out both. Doc James has referenced and uncommented one already (good tidings!). I don't see any reason why this should be kept out of the main page any longer. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 16:03, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:10, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

October 20

Portal:Current events/2020 October 20

Current events of October 20, 2020 (2020-10-20) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks War in Afghanistan October 2020 Afghanistan attacks The governor of Zazi Maidan District and a bodyguard are shot dead and another two injured in Khost Province. (TOLOnews) At least five people are killed and another nine injured after two bombing attacks. The attack occurred in Jalrez District, Maidan Wardak Province. (TOLOnews) At least twelve police officers, including the district chief, are killed when two bombs explode in Kang District, Nimruz Province. (TOLOnews) Allied Democratic Forces insurgency Gunmen storm a jail in Beni, Democratic Republic of the Congo, and free more than 1,300 inmates, also attacking the military camp that provides security to the prison. The town's mayor blames the Allied Democratic Forces, which he says used electrical equipment. Twenty inmates return and two are shot dead. (Al Jazeera English) 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh conflict Azerbaijani troops capture the town of Zəngilan and several nearby villages in Zangilan District, Nagorno-Karabakh. (The Washington Post) End SARS Soldiers open fire against protesters for about an hour and a half during protests against police brutality in Lagos, Nigeria, killing about 20 people and wounding at least 50 others. It is reported that the soldiers had built a barricade and ambulances could not reach the protest area. (BBC) Arts and culture The Canadian town of Asbestos, Quebec, votes to rename itself as Val-des-Sources. The name change, approved by a majority of the town's 7,000 residents, must now be approved by the provincial government. (The Guardian) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in Bulgaria After new infections in Bulgaria hit a record 1,024 cases in the past 24 hours, Health Minister Kostadin Angelov announces that the country will make wearing protective masks obligatory in all outdoor spaces on October 22 in an attempt to slow the spread of the virus by about 30% and help prevent the health system from being overwhelmed. (Sofia Globe) COVID-19 pandemic in Germany, COVID-19 pandemic lockdowns German authorites in Bavaria impose a lockdown in the district of Berchtesgadener Land starting at 2:00 pm local time today, making it the first area in Germany to go back into lockdown since April. Residents in the district for the next two weeks are not allowed to leave their homes unless for essential reasons, such as outdoor exercise, going to work, or buying groceries. (Reuters) (BBC) COVID-19 pandemic in Greece Greece reports 667 new infections in the last 24 hours; 250 of them are from Attica. It is the highest number yet for the country since the beginning of the pandemic. (Greek Reporter) COVID-19 pandemic in Italy Authorities in Lombardy are given the green light by Health Ministry to impose a curfew in the region. The curfew will last between 11:00 pm and 5:00 am local time, and it will take effect between October 22 and November 13. Medium and large shopping malls will close on weekends. (Arab News) COVID-19 pandemic in Russia Russia reports 16,319 new cases in the last 24 hours, bringing its official number of cases to 1,431,635 and breaking its record for new infections since the pandemic began. (The Moscow Times) COVID-19 vaccine Sinopharm is setting up production lines to supply up to one billion doses of two COVID-19 vaccines currently being tested on 50,000 people in Phase III trials. Sinopharm is currently testing the vaccines in ten countries, including Egypt, Argentina, Jordan, and Peru. (AP) AstraZeneca is expected to resume vaccine trials in the United States as early as this week. (CNBC) COVID-19 pandemic in Iran Iran reports a record 5,039 new cases in the last 24 hours, according to Health Ministry spokeswoman Sima-Sadat Lari, bringing the total number of cases to 539,670. It is the first time that the country has reported more than 5,000 cases in a single day. (Bloomberg) International relations Russia–United States relations Two United States F-22 fighters intercept a pair of Russian Tu-95 bombers in international airspace near Alaska. (Fox News) Law and crime 2020 Thai protests A Thai court orders the suspension of an online TV station, critical of the government, named Voice TV, which has been accused of violating emergency measures aimed at ending three months of protests. Voice TV was also found to have breached the Computer Crime Act by uploading "false information". Voice TV is owned by the only son of former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, who was overthrown in a military coup on September 19, 2006. (Reuters) Murder of Samuel Paty The French government orders the Grand Mosque of Pantin in the Paris suburb of Pantin to close for at least six months after an investigation found the mosque's Facebook page shared a video that incited hatred towards history teacher Samuel Paty, who was beheaded by a radical Islamist outside his school. Interior Minister Gérald Darmanin says France was confronted by an "enemy within". (Reuters) The United States Department of Justice files an antitrust lawsuit against Google. (BBC) Science and technology 2020 in spaceflight, New Frontiers program NASA's OSIRIS-REx space probe successfully lands and collects samples from the asteroid Bennu. The samples will be returned to Earth in 2023. (CNN) (BBC)

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RD: Lea Vergine

Article: Lea Vergine (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Il Fatto Quotidiano
Credits:

• Nominated by TJMSmith (talk • give credit)
• Created by Jmanlucas (talk • give credit)
• Updated by Inter&anthro (talk • give credit) and Ser Amantio di Nicolao (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Italian art historian. COVID-19 related. Died one day after her husband, Enzo Mari. Short but well-sourced article. TJMSmith (talk) 04:45, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• Weak oppose At 160 words, it is technically still a stub. It needs at least one more paragraph and *cough* publications are unsourced (as usual). KittenKlub (talk) 07:34, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment – All the sources on Lea Vergine herself (as opposed to her husband Enzo Mari) are in Italian. – Sca (talk) 12:32, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

  Which is allowed, per WP:NONENG. P-K3 (talk) 01:28, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Derryl Cousins

Article: Derryl Cousins (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk • give credit)

Article updated

 Bloom6132 (talk) 07:32, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support well sourced, looks fine for RD JW 1961 Talk 13:25, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Interesting and well sourced throughout. Ready for RD. Yoninah (talk) 22:06, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 00:18, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) Ongoing: End SARS

Article: End SARS (talk, history)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian, BBC, AP
Credits:

• Nominated by GreatCaesarsGhost (talk • give credit)

Nominator's comments: We blurbed the protests, but looks like it rolled off. Today government forces opened fire on unarmed protesters (apparently after removing cameras in the area), killing at least 7. GreatCaesarsGhost 22:14, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support In the news, definitely an ongoing situation. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:09, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support so it got pushed off. We’ll definitely still ongoing and as Muboshgu said, in the news. People were just shot at today ~ Destroyeraa🌀 00:38, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Been in the news a lot lately. I also agree with Muboshgu. SoloGaming (talk) 00:42, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support following the standard pattern for protests, still ITN to one degree or another. Gex4pls (talk) 00:52, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support if orange tags are resolved. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 01:59, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
• Article is not currently of sufficient quality for the main page. Stephen 04:08, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

It was before This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:50, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

It's not anymore. Stephen 04:53, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• Neutral Most of the article is reasonably neutral reporting the occurrences of protests. The voluntary donations section needs to be scrapped though, that definitely has poor standing to be in the article. Juxlos (talk) 06:35, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
• 'Question' - the article is tagged for external links, but there is no external links section. Is this appropriate? Mjroots (talk) 10:28, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• It uses direct links rather than embedding the URLs in references. Stephen 10:41, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• Four out of 162 references affected. I think that tag can go. Mjroots (talk) 14:27, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support A few minor issues with small sections and proseline writing, but those are easily overcome and I don't see any major issues that should keep it off the main page. --Jayron32 13:23, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Sad that it was there for such a short time, deserved longer attention (anyway it can be re-blurbed?). Gotitbro (talk) 16:09, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment. I personally think it would be better to have a blurb on the shooting rather than go to ongoing. At the moment, the shooting itself is arguably more important than the protesters' actual cause. —Brigade Piron (talk) 17:11, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

  I agree, but given the premeditation and reaction (the governor has indicated no one was killed), I'd expect more to follow. Also, the government had previously sent in thugs to attack the crowd, then complained that the protests were getting violent. One wonders where they found the inspiration for this strategy. GreatCaesarsGhost 17:59, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• Posted. 331dot (talk) 23:32, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

October 19

Portal:Current events/2020 October 19

Current events of October 19, 2020 (2020-10-19) (Monday) Arts and culture 2020 in archaeology The Tourism and Antiquities Ministry of Egypt states that they have discovered ancient coffins at the necropolis in Saqqara. (The Washington Post) Disasters and accidents 2020 Atlantic hurricane season Tropical Storm Epsilon forms in the Atlantic Ocean and is expected to bring storm-force winds to Bermuda later this week. (Royal Gazette / Bermuda) A magnitude 7.5 earthquake strikes the Alaska Peninsula, prompting tsunami warnings. (CNBC) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in the United Kingdom COVID-19 pandemic in Wales, COVID-19 pandemic lockdowns First Minister Mark Drakeford announces that Wales will introduce a "firebreak" lockdown, which will require anyone to stay home between October 23 and November 9. Under those rules, pubs, restaurants, hotels, and non-essential businesses must close; primary schools will reopen after the half-term break, but only seventh and eighth years in secondary schools can return at that time under the new "firebreak" rules. In addition, gathering with people from other households indoors or outdoors will be banned. (BBC) COVID-19 pandemic in Russia Russia's new cases surge to a new record high of 15,982 in the last 24 hours, including 5,376 in Moscow, pushing the case total to 1,415,316. (Reuters) It is announced that the first results of Russia's clinical trial for their Sputnik V vaccine will include data from 5,000 to 10,000 people. (Reuters) COVID-19 pandemic in Austria Chancellor Sebastian Kurz announces that private gatherings of more than six people indoors and twelve people outdoors will be banned in Austria from October 23, in an effort to curb the spread of COVID-19. (Dpa international) COVID-19 pandemic in the Republic of Ireland, COVID-19 pandemic lockdowns Taoiseach Micheál Martin announces that Ireland will move to Level Five for a period of six weeks. The new restrictions will take effect at midnight on October 21 and remain in place until December 1. Under Level Five restrictions, non-essential business will close, people will only be able to exercise within 5 kilometres (3.1 mi) of their homes except for essential reasons, and no social or family gatherings are allowed in homes or gardens. However, schools and creches are to remain open, and elite sporting events can take place. (Gov.ie) (ITV) COVID-19 pandemic in Slovenia The government formally declares 30-day nationwide "state of epidemic" (known overseas as state of emergency) starting today. There are no changes for employees, students and others, but 09:00 pm to 06:00 am local time curfew will be imposed tomorrow. The decree also limits gatherings to six people and movement among regions unless for essential or emergency reasons will be banned. (Government of Slovenia) (Barrons) COVID-19 pandemic in Spain The President of Navarra, María Chivite, announces a perimetral lockdown of the region, closing bars and restaurants, and limiting gatherings to cohabiting people, starting on Thursday and lasting for 15 days. In the last two weeks, Navarra has experienced a cumulative incidence of more than 900 per 100,000 inhabitants. (eldiario.es) COVID-19 pandemic in Iran Iran reports 337 new deaths in the previous 24 hours, a new record of deaths since the beginning of the pandemic, pushing the death toll in the country to 30,712. (CNA) COVID-19 pandemic in Argentina Argentina surpasses one million cases of COVID-19, becoming the fifth country to do so after the United States, India, Brazil, and Russia. (BBC) COVID-19 pandemic in Canada Canada surpasses 200,000 cases of COVID-19. (CTV News) COVID-19 vaccine, COVID-19 pandemic in Brazil Sinovac Biotech's CoronaVac appears to be safe in providing protection against COVID-19, as preliminary results of Phase III clinical trial in Brazil show. São Paulo's Instituto Butantan, one of Brazil's leading biomedical research centres carrying out the trials, says CoronaVac proved to be safe after its two doses were applied to 9,000 volunteers, but said data on how effective it is in protecting people against COVID-19 will not be released until it has been tested on all 15,000 volunteers in newly expanded trials. (SCMP) The total number of worldwide confirmed COVID-19 cases surpasses 40 million. The United States remains the global leader in case numbers, accounting for 20% of all cumulative cases, with India closely following at 19%. 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(AP) Law and crime Trial of Catalonia independence leaders The High Court of Justice of Catalonia sentences former members of the Bureau of Catalan Parliament Ramona Barrufet, Lluís Corominas, Lluís Guinó, and Anna Simó to 20 months of disqualification and a €30,000 fine for disobeying the court when this body warned them of the illegality involved in the processing of the disconnection and self-determination referendum laws in 2017 and acting against the prohibition of the Constitutional Court of Spain. (La Vanguardia) (El Periódico) The United States Department of Justice announces charges against six current and former Russian military officers for allegedly attempting to engage in malware and hacking in the 2018 Winter Olympics and elections in other countries. (ABC News) A court denies an appeal from British socialite Ghislaine Maxwell regarding the release of her 2016 deposition. (Bloomberg.com) Politics and elections 2020 Bolivian general election Exit polls show Luis Arce of the MAS party winning a historic landslide. (The Washington Post)

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RD: Enzo Mari

Article: Enzo Mari (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Architect's Newspaper
Credits:

• Nominated by TJMSmith (talk • give credit)
• Updated by DhruvMehta97 (talk • give credit)

Nominator's comments: Italian furniture designer. COVID-19 related. Wife, Lea Vergine, died one day later (also COVID-19). Article is close but needs few more citations. TJMSmith (talk) 04:35, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• Weak oppose Aside from sourcing concerns, the article at present has limited depth of coverage of the subject. Spencer^T•C 18:33, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment Consider this a neutral, well sourced, but needs a tonal shift (I don't believe a quotes section is standard wikipedia fare) Gex4pls (talk) 18:45, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Spencer Davis

Article: Spencer Davis (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, Variety
Credits:

• Nominated by A lad insane (talk • give credit)
• Updated by Ritchie333 (talk • give credit)

Nominator's comments: From The Spencer Davis Group. Article is pitifully sourced, unfortunately. -- a lad insane (channel two) 18:24, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Support - I have cleaned the article up; it is a bit sparse but at least in suitable shape for the main page. For those who aren't aware, the Spencer Davis Group is more famous for launching Steve Winwood's career. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:42, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support: I was just about to nominate this until I saw this. Well-referenced, notable, and updated. — MarkH₂₁^talk 22:04, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Nicley cleaned up by Ritchie333, now suitable for RD JW 1961 Talk 22:06, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Ready for the main page. Yoninah (talk) 00:08, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment. Looks good. Marking ready. Given the namesake, I am tagging Spencer for next steps. Ktin (talk) 00:15, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
• Posted Spencer to RD. Spencer^T•C 03:06, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Tony Lewis (musician)

Article: Tony Lewis (musician) (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SPIN, USA Today
Credits:

• Nominated by CoatCheck (talk • give credit)

Nominator's comments: English singer-songwriter/musician of The Outfield. CoatCheck (talk) 18:02, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

*Comment a couple of cn's added, it should be fine if those are fixed and I will then add support JW 1961 Talk 19:00, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support as concerns have been fixed JW 1961 Talk 13:24, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• Conditional support There are some open points left. Overall the article appears to be in good order. (And luckily there are no large discographies and chart tables...) KittenKlub (talk) 19:13, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support some tonal issues, but overall seems fine. Gex4pls (talk) 14:26, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support article now looks referenced. TJMSmith (talk) 04:37, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• Posted Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 09:56, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Hiroh Kikai

Article: Hiroh Kikai (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Tokyo Shimbun, Chunichi Shimbun
Credits:

• Nominated by Ktin (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Saw this nomination on the Deaths in 2020 page. I have not been able to find any news sources talking about Mr Kikai's death, and that might just be me not searching the right places. However if someone is familiar about this topic, and can give the article a read (and invest in any edits as required), it might be worth working on and getting to homepage. Ktin (talk) 05:16, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support, Well-developed article, GA status implicates ITN pass. Added sources from the Tokyo Shimbun and Chunichi Shimbun to nomination. Morgan695 (talk) 06:06, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment Here's an English-language source. https://cphmag.com/hiroh-kikai-1945-2020/. Personally, I hate modern black-and-white photography (it was fine when it was more economical than color, but now it's a purely aesthetic decision), but with the English source I'll weak support. 1779Days (talk) 08:25, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Plenty of paragraphs that haven’t a single reference. GA is no fast track to posting, a lot can degrade an article since it’s assessment. Stephen 08:40, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Weak oppose some place still need sourced. I'm honestly surprised this is a GA. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 13:20, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

  Destroyeraa, Agree. Seems like it was last assessed in 2009, and might have deteriorated in the time since then. That said, seems like the references can be fixed if someone can go in with a few tags. Unfortunately, I am a tad buried today. But, can take a look later in the night. Ktin (talk) 19:11, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

  Destroyeraa, went in and added a few references, seems like all references have been handled. Do you mind giving it a look? Cheers. Ktin (talk) 00:44, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• Weak Support most of the article seems fine. A few more english language sources couldn't hurt though. but the publications and exhibitions sections could do with quite a few more sources. Gex4pls (talk) 13:56, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Numerous uncited paragraphs. Someone should send this back for a GA reassessment. Yoninah (talk) 15:10, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Weak Support Some of the article is fine, but there is not really a lot of description. You could improve on it and renominate again. OptXSolo (talk) 16:36, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment. Went in and gave the references a shot. Seems like the article is fully referenced now. If I have missed out any, let me know and I will try filling.
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 03:05, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) 2020 Belarus Protests

Though a good faith nom, consensus remains that this should not be on the main page. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 12:23, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

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Article: 2020 Belarusian protests (talk, history)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Gex4pls (talk • give credit)

Nominator's comments: It has been a bit of time since the removal, and the protests appear to be ramping up again. Around 50,000 people marched just yesterday, despite threats from police to use lethal force, and the page is still regularly updated, though waiting a bit more to see what happens couldn't hurt either. Gex4pls (talk) 17:27, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support The situation has recently re-escalated and the article is up to date.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 17:45, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose terrible article is still terrible. "Symbols" section is still orange tagged and still the subject of a low grade edit war. Protests are still a weekend outing with dwindling participation and insignificant mid-week events (like some driller complaining) elevated to undue status to fluff out the article. It had it's time in the box. Move on. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:20, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• It's true that the Symbols section is orange tagged, but I can't say that I understand why. I don't see the edit war you talk about anywhere in the revision history. This section was last edited on October 1 (which appears to be a minor expansion of existing content), before that last edited on September 24 (which seemed to just be the removal of a typo), and before that just a minor grammar fix on September 22. If there's an edit war going on in the article, it must be in a different section. I think it would be perfectly fine to remove that orange tag because it's very unclear why it's there.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 18:30, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• Coment – Is this supposed to be a blurb nom.? If so, where's the blurb? Not to mention sources.... Here's two [2] [3] from Sunday, but it appears not much is happening today. – Sca (talk) 18:35, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

No, this was supposed to be ongoing, and i do have the associated press source in my comment, but thanks for the extra sources. Sorry if I messed something up, as this is my first time nominating something. Gex4pls (talk) 18:42, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Sensationalistic. We also don't re-nominate George Floyd protests every time an African-American is shot. More NPOV would have helped nom. Albertaont (talk) 18:39, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• This is a very strange !vote. It was renominated for ongoing because the protests are ongoing and the article is up to date. This is the criteria for an item to be in ongoing. 50,000+ protesters and several hundred arrests isn't nothing.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 18:43, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose There are many marches of similar size every year that we don't post. I don't see any notability beyond the fact that 50,000 people went out.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:09, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose The ongoing for this was just removed, this is getting tiring now, people asking for removal/addition again and again. There should be something in place to stop these noms. Gotitbro (talk) 19:30, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• IMHO that would be avoided if we didn't remove items from ongoing so hastily, necessitating renominations shortly after. Please comment on whether or not this nomination meets the guidelines. An item should go in ongoing if it is being continuously updated with new news. I feel like I'm replying to every comment here, which I don't intend to do, but I think it's important to remind editors that these sorts of !votes that don't mention whether or not an item meets the criteria should be avoided.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 19:45, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Vanilla Wizard: We made a lot of concessions and kept these protests on the main page for two months — more time than for any other developing story in the last couple of years — but we had to stop somewhere as it has become clear that they won't lead to any major changes. And frankly, the story will hardly be re-posted because of a march with no immediate effect like this one.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:46, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• I was under the impression that we simply follow the guidelines rather than make crystal ball predictions about what the protests will lead to. It's a currently up-to-date article about a currently in-the-news ongoing event. That's a pretty open-and-shut explanation of how it checks all the boxes that it's supposed to. Not every update needs to be notable enough for a blurb, it simply needs to be a substantial update; the criteria makes that clear. ITN/C isn't the place to discuss proposed changes to the guidelines, but if you and the rest of the oppose voters think this shouldn't be posted over non-guideline-based reasons, then Wikipedia talk:In the news would be the place to go.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 21:12, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Vanilla Wizard: I get your point but that's not how ITN works. Notability is the principal criterion for inclusion no matter how good the updates and the key articles are. People are usually biased by quality only in cases of borderline notability and that's when we typically err on the side of inclusion. However, notice that people here also complain about article's quality, so I think you should easily get where the opposition comes from. And when the majority doesn't agree with you, so be it and move on from the discussion. Your replies to every single opposer and argumentation with rules-lawyering won't make your opinion more valuable and may only invite a new wave of opposers who initially didn't intend to vote on this nomination. That's something from my personal experience.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:46, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

The merits of inclusion/exclusion have already been discussed in a discussion that was just a few days ago, so we needn't debate that again and again. My point was that this is a WP:SNOW close considering the just concluded discussion on its removal. Gotitbro (talk) 07:48, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Seems fine by me, it appears that the general consensus is that this should not return to ongoing. Gex4pls (talk) 12:11, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

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(Posted) 2020 Bolivian general election

Article: 2020 Bolivian general election (talk, history)
Blurb: ​The Movement for Socialism under Luis Arce (pictured) wins a majority of the vote in the Bolivian general election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​Luis Arce (pictured) is elected President of Bolivia in a snap general election.
Alternative blurb II: ​Luis Arce (pictured) of the Movement for Socialism is elected President of Bolivia in the general election.
News source(s): AFP
Credits:

• Nominated by Morgan695 (talk • give credit)

Nominated event is listed at WP:ITN/R, meaning that the recurrence of the event should in itself merit a post on WP:ITN, subject to the quality of the article and any update(s) to it.

Nominator's comments: Jeanine Añez has also conceded. Morgan695 (talk) 05:14, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose for now – I guess the Bolivian people still want socialism of the 21st century. Hmm... For ITN, we need a results section with at least some prose description of preliminary results. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 05:37, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

  Not at all, he's looking to lose in the second tour of voting --CoronaOneLove (talk) 11:52, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

What are you talking about? 70.166.106.46 (talk) 00:55, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

I'd ignore those two previous posts. Both pretty silly. HiLo48 (talk) 01:32, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Only concludes the first round of voting, and this guy will almost certainly lose in the second round. --CoronaOneLove (talk) 11:52, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

  It was a landslide. The second round is cancelled in such cases. Either of the possible conditions for victory has been met: a candidate is declared the winner if they receive more than 50% of the vote, or over 40% of the vote and are 10 percentage points ahead of their closest rival. Exit polls show 52% to 31%. Even if they slide below 50% on the final count that is still a more than 10% lead from the next opposition party. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 12:00, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

  Let's wait for official results then. If they officially call it with more than 50% of votes in favour of that guy then I 'support' posting this, otherwise I believe we should wait for the results of the second round. --CoronaOneLove (talk) 16:01, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• Wait It seems all done but I don't truly trust the Bolivian exit polls. ETA: the Áñez "concession" means nothing since she dropped out ages ago, it's just her properly stepping down since there was no cessation of government from what I've seen. Kingsif (talk) 12:28, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
• Wait – for clarity, RS confirmation. – Sca (talk) 13:06, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support and/or Wait I'm fine with waiting a little while longer for more reporting on this, but available sources (including the incumbent interim president) already confirmed that Luis Arce won it outright with a simple majority of the vote, meaning that he will be the president and there is not going to be a second round.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 17:55, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support and okay with Wait This is a clearcut victory, baseless to suggest otherwise. Although considering who won not surprising there are those who would rather "hold off" the news. Albertaont (talk) 18:53, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• Like most countries that aren't the United States, votes aren't declared before they're counted and counting doesn't take weeks/months. Exit polls are treated as unofficial, not like accurate predictions. And since a 5 point shift - well within margin of error for some pollsters - would have taken it to a run-off, it would have been jumping the gun far too much to have posted earlier. That's why people wanted to wait while none of the candidates were conceding, and the only reason, it's disingenuous for you to insinuate otherwise. Kingsif (talk) 19:15, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• Wait for official results. Candido (talk) 19:27, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support when the official results come out This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 20:32, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support posting now Not sure about Bolivia, but in my country official results can come out several weeks after clear results are known and already being acted on by newly elected governments. We should not wait that long. It will no longer be news then. 22:59, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• In the Bolivian election last year, the results took less than 2 days. Sure, that didn't end well, but it's not a ballache of a system like in the US. Kingsif (talk) 01:30, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• Wait Despite the fact that Mesa conceded defeat we should wait until the official results come out. Also, this blurb is not appropriate. Bolivia is a presidential regime and not a parlamentarism one.--SirEdimon ^Dimmi!!! 23:30, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

SirEdimon - Do you have any idea how long it will take for official results to come out? I don't. Without knowing, there is really no point in waiting. HiLo48 (talk) 03:08, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

HiLo48 The results are expected for the end of this week. Alsoriano97 (talk) 11:24, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Alsoriano97 - So you say. Even if they are available then, this item will be stale by then. Delaying posting is insanity. Would this happen with a US election? HiLo48 (talk) 22:11, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support Article looks good, in the news and all but confirmed. Gotitbro (talk) 13:01, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Agree with Gotitbro. OptXSolo (talk) 16:40, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Results still not returned completely, but with only real opposition conceding, Arce has it. Added alt blurb that is more accurate to the situation. Kingsif (talk) 19:15, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Ready We appear to be waiting for something whose timing we cannot predict with any certainty. This is in the news globally right now. The chances of any posting being incorrect are minuscule. Let's not wait until it's NOT in the news. HiLo48 (talk) 22:14, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support per above. Results are out. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 23:35, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support per above. Davey2116 (talk) 06:10, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Official results isn't out yet, but it seems that reasonably reliable counts have called a single round landslide and the loser have conceded. No reason to hold. Juxlos (talk) 06:32, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment as of now, with 54.41% for MAS (Arce), 29.34% for CC (Mesa) and 87.96% of votes counted (according to the official website), the mathematical possibility for a second round no longer exists because even if CC gets all the remaining votes, the difference will be more than 10% and MAS will have more than 40% of votes. 193.198.162.14 (talk) 15:11, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment Now around 20 hours this has been marked ready for... PotentPotables (talk) 18:15, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support per Juxlos and many others. Consensus is clear. No good reason not to post this now. Jusdafax (talk) 18:38, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
• Posting alt blurb – Muboshgu (talk) 20:06, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment It seems inconsistent that we have two election-related news items where one specifies the candidate's party while the other does not. Added a potential alt blurb. Morgan695 (talk) 22:05, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
• Hold - Don't use alt blurb. This election will mark an end to the political crisis, so I assumed the crisis should be one of the main topic. Also, one major candidate still threatened not accepting the result, so I assume it should be posted after peace is back and one whole year of turmoil ends in Bolivia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.68.165.114 (talk) 08:54, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
  • @Morgan695: Would you revise the blurb to reflect the current reconciliation process in Bolivia? Thanks! --173.68.165.114 (talk) 08:57, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

October 18

Portal:Current events/2020 October 18

Current events of October 18, 2020 (2020-10-18) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks War in Afghanistan October 2020 Afghanistan attacks Taliban militants kill at least eight security force members in Sahib District, Kunduz Province. (TOLOnews) A car bombing kills 12 people and injures another 100 in Chaghcharan, Ghor Province, Afghanistan. (TOLOnews) 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh conflict Azerbaijani forces seize the strategic Khodaafarin Bridges and the adjacent Khoda Afarin Dam on the border with Iran. A video showing the Azerbaijani flag over the partially destroyed crossing is circulated on Azeri media. The bridges had been under Armenian control since 1993. (Almasdar News) (RIA) Artsakh's Ministry of Defence reports 40 more its troops have been killed in clashes with Azerbaijan in Nagorno-Karabakh, bringing the total Artsakh Defence Army death toll to 673 since fighting began on September 27. 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(Posted) RD: Alan Stephenson Boyd

Article: Alan Stephenson Boyd (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: I think this should be moved to Alan S. Boyd per WP:COMMONNAME. Bloom6132 (talk) 21:40, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• Comment. Article looks clean and meets hygiene requirements for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 05:35, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support per above though the awards section seems redundant, and im tempted to combine it with the above section. Gex4pls (talk) 13:47, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Article looks fine, all paragraphs cited and image is pd. Yoninah (talk) 15:08, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• @Spencer, Stephen, and Amakuru: I think this may be ready to go. —Bloom6132 (talk) 21:43, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Posted. Spencer^T•C 03:03, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

(Needs attention) Northern Cyprus presidential election

Article: 2020 Northern Cypriot presidential election (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Ersin Tatar (pictured) is elected President of Northern Cyprus. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, Al Jazeera
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by GGT (talk • give credit)
• Updated by Number 57 (talk • give credit)

Article updated
Nominated event is listed at WP:ITN/R, meaning that the recurrence of the event should in itself merit a post on WP:ITN, subject to the quality of the article and any update(s) to it.

Nominator's comments: Northern Cyprus elections are not ITNR, but we have posted the most recent presidential and parliamentary ones, in 2015 and 2018 respectively. This is basically as high profile as these elections get, the President is the only internationally recognised representative of Turkish Cypriots, the election campaign was marked by developments that drew international reactions (including from the UN security council) and the election of the Ankara-backed right-wing candidate (in lieu of the pro-reunification incumbent opposed by Ankara) comes at a time of raised tensions in the Eastern Mediterranean, with significant short- and long-term ramifications. GGT (talk) 21:00, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

P.S. I had started this as a non-ITNR, regular nomination, but the template above was changed to ITNR by GreatCaesarsGhost later. --GGT (talk) 00:32, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• Comment – Reluctant to open the door to reporting the politics of entities that are not recognized, de jure, states. That would be a dubious precedent, as there are countless regionalisms around the world. Yes, I know we posted items on Catalonia a couple years ago, but that situation was dynamic and posed broader ramifications for Europe. – Sca (talk) 21:36, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
  • This would not be opening the door, Sca, as we have precedents, having previously posted 2015 Northern Cypriot presidential election and 2018 Northern Cypriot parliamentary election (not to mention elections in Taiwan or Kosovo), and we are yet to witness a deluge of regionalist politics on ITN. It is not true that there are countless regionalisms around the world comparable to this. Per the list of states with limited recognition, there are nine other states in a similar situation. Out of these partially recognised states, Northern Cyprus is the only one, besides Taiwan, to have been classified as "free" by Freedom House. And we still judge each election based on the circumstances, this one clearly has international ramifications - I don't know of many election campaigns recently that have sparked UN Security Council statements! --GGT (talk) 21:53, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

  Just because it was posted earlier does not mean it 'should' be now. Taiwan is not really comparable and is not dependent on another major country (Kosovo also has wider recognition and is not substantially dependent on other states, though I would've opposed that nom). This is more akin to posting about elections in Artsakh/Nagorno Karabakh (which we haven't ever done AFAIK). I just don't see this being notable enough, there isn't a major leadership change and if anything the election only highlights Turkey's dominance over Northern Cyprus. Gotitbro (talk) 22:19, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

  Of course it doesn't, but the fact that it was posted earlier means that the precedent is already there and that we aren't setting it now. The initial argument that I was countering was that we'd be setting a precedent by posting this. This is a major change of leadership re. the longest-running diplomatic dispute in the west as well as the recent Eastern Mediterranean dispute. That Turkey has been able to reassert its dominance with the failure of the pro-reunification leader to be re-elected is newsworthy IMO. At this point, however, I will redirect users to the the Guardian article. That basically puts this into good perspective, and one can of course make differing conclusions about the significance based on that. --GGT (talk) 22:31, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Not ITNR nor am I convinced by the nom of its "ramifications" per Sca's arguments out above. Gotitbro (talk) 22:19, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

"Not ITNR" is not a reason to oppose a nomination. 331dot (talk) 22:22, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

What I meant was this is not usual election stuff (being an unrecognized state et all and hence different from the generally accepted election results on ITN), perhaps should've worded better. Gotitbro (talk) 04:17, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• Weak support Turns out it was a sovereign state after all. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 22:21, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support in principle. Actually this is ITN/R, because the criteria for elections covers "all states on the List of sovereign states". That list is divided into UN member states and other states, but the Northern Cyprus is certainly on the list in the latter section, so the above Opposes are not permissible. Also, as noted we posted it before and that precedent should be followed in any case, for a story which is featured in the mainstream western press too. There are a couple of cites needed, but after that it's good to go.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:27, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Northern Cyprus is not a sovereign state and is only recognized as such by the country with troops there. 331dot (talk) 22:33, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Well it's on the list mentioned in the criteria, so either fight to get it removed from that, or change the rule here at ITN/R. But as of now, this is unambiguously covered, an opposes based on notability are not permitted.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:37, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

At one point disputed states were given their own section of the page IIRC. The list states that only a single country recognizes them as a state and the TRNC is not recognized by any international body. It's not me that needs to fight, it's you, providing sources that refer to this entity as a sovereign state. 331dot (talk) 22:40, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

ITNR states "Disputed states and dependent territories should be discussed at WP:ITN/C and judged on their own merits." That's what we are doing here. 331dot (talk) 22:41, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

I have provided a link to the rules of ITN/R. It says in black and white that any state on the list is covered. Not only UN states, or states in the top half of the list. We defer to that list and the careful consideration that goes into it for validity,so we don't have to have pointless arguments like this one.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:51, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

You seem to be disregarding the sentence from what you cite above. 331dot (talk) 22:56, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

The "disputed states" link also includes Israel and China. Should we start discussing those "on their merits" too? Presumably the purpose of that clause is to cover cases like Crimea or the Donbass, which aren't on the sovereign States list. The fact is that Northern Cyprus functions as a sovereign state in all practical ways, and satisfies the "declarative theory of statehood", which is why it's included on our list of sovereign states. Sure, it lacks recognition but its election is just as impactful for people living there as those elsewhere. So even if you're right about it not being ITN/R, it's a notable story in its own right. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 23:09, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

By that sense, Sealand and Conch Republic (if they even do have elections) elections are also ITN-worthy and ITN/R because they declare themselves a sovereign state. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 23:19, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

No, the determining factor would be whether they are on the said list, which they are not, but Northern Cyprus is. —GGT (talk) 23:22, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Israel and China are UN members and each recognized by more than one state. The TRNC is only recognized by the country that has troops there to protect it(or occupy it depending on your point of view). The disputed states listing does not say it only covers entities not on the sovereign states list. The fact remains that no one except Turkey recognizes the TRNC as a state, unless you can produce reliable sources saying otherwise. 331dot (talk) 23:52, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

(re: Destroyeraa) The list of entities with limited recognition (currently 10, including entities such as Northern Cyprus, Kosovo, Taiwan, Artsakh, Palestine, etc) excludes micronations and is decided through rigorous discussion, much like the List of sovereign states that Amakuru has linked to. I can assure you that you won't have to worry about us posting about the Principality of Sealand if we change the ITN/R rules to explicitly include entities at the list of states with limited recognition, or set a precedent that such entities can be included.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 00:50, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support - I believe we can discuss it on its own merits and ignore the conversation about whether or not Northern Cyprus is truly sovereign enough to be ITN/R; what we know is that it is a state that de facto does exist and has limited international recognition. Whether or not this nom is ITN/R seems to be debatable, so I won't focus on that, but - as 331dot said - just because the nom may not be ITN/R doesn't automatically mean it's not notable, either. Going off of precedent, this election seems to be no less notable than the last couple of Northern Cypriot elections we posted. The article's quality appears to be fine, as it's lengthy enough and well-sourced.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 23:06, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose A state that is recognized by only one other sets the bar far too low. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 00:59, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support per Amakuru. The TRNC is listed on the list of sovereign states and qualifies under ITN/R. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 03:03, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose The line between a self-governing region and a separate country is blurred at best, but I think it needs to be recognized by more than just a single other country to count. And given that I don't think Northern Cyprus qualifies as a country, I also don't think its elections are notable enough for ITN. Mlb96 (talk) 03:53, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Reliable sources have considered it a sovereign state for decades now, but you set your own standard as to what does and doesn't qualify as a country? There's a reason why there's a harsh criteria for inclusion over at List of sovereign states, and Northern Cyprus passes it. Nice4What (talk ·contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 05:37, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Nice4What Please offer the reliable sources that you state consider an entity recognized by one state(with troops there) and not a member of any international body as a sovereign state. 331dot (talk) 07:55, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

@331dot: Stop canvassing, realize that the TRNC does participate in international organizations, and there are plenty of results but I figure this will spiral into a conversation about every source's legitimacy rather than how obvious it is that this currently qualifies under ITN/R. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 14:20, 19 October 2020 (UTC); Edited 05:37, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Nice4What I have not canvassed anyone to this discussion for any purpose, either on or off Wiki. 331dot (talk) 16:01, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• Many of the comments here are general statements about the suitability of Northern Cyprus election for ITN. I don’t think that’s a valid reason for an oppose !vote, since the ITN rules clearly state that even for disputed states, each election should be considered on its own merits, which by implication allows posting elections in disputed states. It is certainly not the case that no political developments in unrecognised entities can be posted, and generalised statements miss the nuance here. We have clearly posted Northern Cyprus elections before, so any oppose !votes should be explaining why this election lacks significance on its own merits (an example is Gotitbro’s comment), and not just stating the obvious that the election took place in a disputed state. —GGT (talk) 05:53, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support per Amakuru. This is technically an ITN/R item or the description for disputed states is ambiguous at the very least, although mentioning Israel and China as examples makes a very strong argument in support. But even if it's not, this is sufficiently newsworthy (not to mention the precedent of posting).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 06:30, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

There is nothing ambiguous about an entity recognized only by a country with troops there and not a member of any international body not being considered a sovereign state while Israel and the PRC, both recognized by a majority of states and members of international bodies, as sovereign states. 331dot (talk) 07:57, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

FFS 331dot, you have been shown to be incorrect and yet you're still arguing about troops and international bodies and other irrelevances like that. This is verging on WP:IDHT territory now. The criteria for inclusion are crystal clear, they do not mention anything about troops, they simply say to follow the List of sovereign states. Which our list considers TRNC to be. If you want to change that, then you know what to do.  — Amakuru (talk) 08:30, 19 October 2020 (UTC) - Withdrawn, this looks a bit too harsh on further reading, although it is still frustrating that so many people are still ignoring the rules of ITN/R based on their own opinions, that's all I'll say for now.  — Amakuru (talk) 08:41, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

That's interesting because I feel the same frustration as "Disputed states and dependent territories should be discussed at WP:ITN/C and judged on their own merits" being disregarded, as clearly an entity recognized only by the country with troops there is a disputed state, which does not apply to entities recognized by a majority of sovereign states(Israel and the PRC). 331dot (talk) 08:45, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

@331dot: I said technically, not absolutely, and it's clear that those two bullets that you're re-iterating in the discussion above are not completely disjoint (the first should be re-worded to "All universally recognised states on the List of sovereign states" to make them disjoint but that's off-topic here). Vastly more important is that the black-and-white discussion on the ITN/R status has impact on other people's votes so that they come and oppose simply on the grounds that it's not an ITN/R item or it's a state recognised by only one other without paying attention that this state is de jure part of the European Union but de facto out of it and the election loss of the incumbent president supporting unionism to a person who supports a two-state solution is a major backstep in the process of solving the problem. The latter is not only an internal political matter but of the European Union as a whole because the division practically tailors the borders of the Schengen area.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:23, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose With all respect for Turkey. Our own article cites Council of Europe "that despite the fact that it has not been recognised de iure by any other State than Turkey, the TRNC exist de facto as an independent State exercising all branches of State power on its territory". The same can be said about many unrecognized breakaway states, like Republic of Artsakh (which is also on the List of sovereign states) or Republic of Donetsk that also exist as de facto independent states exercising all branches of state power. With that in mind, this is ultimately a WP:NPOV issue and I don't recall posting Northern Cyprus before. Brandmeister^talk 08:36, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Brandmeister We did post their last presidential election and parlimentary election. 331dot (talk) 08:49, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

I think it was a mistake. Perhaps some amendment should be made to ITNR for cases like this or the Republic of Artsakh (the latter, I'm sure, will never be posted despite being currently on the List of sovereign states). Brandmeister^talk 08:56, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose If we are setting the bar as low as a country that is recognised by only one other, that is such a low bar that you are going to end up with all sorts of edge cases such as those mentioned above. Personal opinion, regardless of ITNR or previous postings. Black Kite (talk) 08:52, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
• This really is quite frustrating. ITNR clearly states, even with disputed states: “The results of general elections in [...] Disputed states and dependent territories should be discussed at WP:ITN/C and judged on their own merits.” Note how the discussion should be about the merits of the results of the elections, NOT the state itself. That means that elections in partially recognised states like Northern Cyprus can be featured IF the community agrees on the election’s significance, so it’s the election’s significance that we should be debating, not some fuzzy sense of whether we’re “setting the bar too low” (whatever that slippery slope argument is meant to mean). The bar is already set. That is the playbook we have had up until now, and we have already posted two of these. That is what the guideline for this says and that is what I had in mind when I was working towards the nomination and arguing for the significance in my nominating statement. If the result of this discussion is no consensus due to arguments opposing it by the virtue of the election being in Northern Cyprus, rather than arguments relating to the election’s significance per se, then I suggest we edit ITNR per this precedent so that people in the future won’t actually be misled into bothering. I for one certainly won’t bother. —GGT (talk) 11:06, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
• I raised a suggestion recently on the talk page that if ITNR qualification was in doubt, we should treat the item as not qualifying. This was rejected, with the basic logic of ITNR: we're trying to avoid those discussions. This item is unquestionably ITNR, but clearly some wish that it would not be. It is on the list of sovereign states and not on the list of disputed states. I personally hate ITNR because it mandates that we cannot discuss the (plainly questionable) merits of something because of a prior (often VERY specious) consensus. But we can't toss it out whenever it doesn't suit our purposes. GreatCaesarsGhost 11:19, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• It's not a disputed state? I don't think you could get one more disputed than a state which the entire international community, bar one, considers to be part of another country but currently under illegal occupation ... Black Kite (talk) 14:58, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• I made no such assertion. My point is only that 1) this state is explicitly as on that qualifies under ITNR, and 2) consensus is we do not re-arbitrate ITNR consensus here. GreatCaesarsGhost 18:10, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

  Fully agree with GreatCaesarsGhost. The whole point of ITNR is to avoid these arguments. The "disputed states" clause at WP:ITN/R does actually cause confusion, because it links to List of states with limited recognition, which as well as Northern Cyprus also includes states which are almost universally recognised, such as China, South Korea and Israel. I think it would be useful to just remove the "disputed states" qualification altogether, because it doesn't add anything new. We are always free to discuss things on their merits anyway. And the third bullet point does not say that it supersedes the first bullet point, which says "The results of general elections in All states on the List of sovereign states". This is unambiguous, it doesn't qualify it as only the UN states, or only those with more than X% of countries recognising. Anyway, I've said my piece on this. It probably needs to be clarified with a discussion and clearer wording, once the dust settles on this one.  — Amakuru (talk) 18:12, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose – Beyond the fact that Northern Cyprus is not a widely recognized sovereign state, and is in effect occupied by the only country that does recognize it, I don't see where the election result portends a particularly significant change. – Sca (talk) 13:14, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

@Sca: The president-elect is supportive of a two-state solution and he won the election in a race with the incumbent president who has unionist ideology. So, the result is a major backstep in the peace process to resolve the dispute.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:36, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support Despite the fact that Northern Cyprus isn't well recognized, a new president could affect the status of the area. Gex4pls (talk) 14:48, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Northern Cyprus isn't really a recognized country, so why even put it in there? OptXSolo (talk) 16:25, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment I don't envy whoever ends up sifting through the comments here to determine the consensus, but I would like to respectfully ask that the oppose !voters above mention more than just the fact that Northern Cyprus has limited recognition. That alone does not mean that it's not notable.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 18:37, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Vanilla Wizard At least some (like me) are responding to the assertion this should be an ITNR nomination, and not a regular nomination, only. I take the latter view that ITNR makes it clear that the TRNC is not a sovereign state and should be discussed on its own merits. 331dot (talk) 19:15, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

I appreciate that you are one of only a handful of editors to mention that not being ITN/R does not automatically mean it's not notable, though I also believe that this thread has been derailed by the debate over if it's sovereign or not, and determining the consensus would likely require the closer to manually discount several !votes based on their own judgment of whether or not they are congruent with ITN's notability guidelines.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 19:30, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support Personally I think it's a bit of a stretch to give this an automatic ITN/R pass, but it seems a newsworthy enough story and the article quality is fine.-- P-K3 (talk) 19:54, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

  Yes, this is the main point that should be considered here really. Leaving aside the ITN/R dispute, the story has enough legs on its own merits anyway. It's in the news, the elected individual is the de facto leader of the territory in question, whatever the international legality of the situation, and it also has potential knock-on geopolitical effects in the region. It's worthy of posting on those grounds.  — Amakuru (talk) 23:01, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• Why has this been changed to ITNR? That is contentious at best and I don't see any consensus here of this being an ITNR nom, most people are considering it on its own merits and not its article quality. Gotitbro (talk) 07:39, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose with all respect to the Turkish Cypriots, but Northern Cyprus is a partially recognized non-UN country. --► Sincerely: SolaVirum 09:57, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Marked as ready - It's ITNR, article quality is good to go.--WaltCip-(talk) 13:18, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

FALSEHOOD, n. A truth to which the facts are loosely adjusted to an imperfect conformity. – Ambrose Bierce — Sca (talk) 22:22, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

That this is ITNR is in dispute. ITNR states that "Disputed states and dependent territories should be discussed at WP:ITN/C and judged on their own merits". An entity recognized only by one country and supported militarily by that same country is clearly a "Disputed state and dependent territory". 331dot (talk) 13:24, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

It's a sovereign state, so it qualifies. This is not the place to litigate the wording of ITN/R. That should be done on the talk page.--WaltCip-(talk) 13:36, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

It is not a sovereign state, it is clearly disputed. I am not litigating the wording of ITNR, it is very clear about this and it concerns me that this is being disregarded. 331dot (talk) 13:39, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

You are exactly litigating the wording of ITN/R. The criteria give a list of states to follow, and we're following it. There seems to be consensus that the article has sufficient quality, so agree that this is ready and hopefully this can be posted soon. Then we can consider and discuss whether the ITN/R rules are fit for purpose, or need some amendment, at our leisure.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:43, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

It's almost as if whoever wrote the wording didn't realize that disputed states are included on List of sovereign states. This has to be cleared up, although the ITN talk page would be the proper place.-- P-K3 (talk) 13:49, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Certainly agree it needs sorting out. We should lay out the various alternatives and !vote on them, then amend the wording so it's watertight either way. In the mean time, this one is stuck in limbo though. Many people think it's ITN/R, while many others don't. I also think the Oppose !votes are rather weak, even disregarding the ITN/R question, as they mostly just say "NC is not a state", without offering a rationale as to why its election is therefore unimportant. But then I'm biased, of course as I support the story's promotion. How do you resolve all that?  — Amakuru (talk) 15:25, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support per Pawnkingthree. Given the above discussion, I don't think this should be a quick "ITN/R + post", but at the same time, it shouldn't be a quick "not a sovreign state + oppose" either IMO. The article is better fleshed out than many that appear here at ITN/C; we have posted elections for this state previously; there are worthwhile geopolitical implications and these are described in the article. Spencer^T•C 18:09, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support. I do think this merits posting(just not as ITNR), as this man's election would seem to forestall the possibility of a settlement of the Cyprus issue. 331dot (talk) 09:18, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
• This has been marked as ready for two days now. It would be nice to have a final decision before it goes stale. —GGT (talk) 11:32, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm involved and cannot post. 331dot (talk) 11:40, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support per reasons that explained by other editors. It's definitely significant.Ahmetlii (talk) 11:47, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose The ITN/R criteria are clearly spelled out, and elections in North Cyprus cannot meet them. Explicitly, "Disputed states [...] should be discussed at WP:ITN/C and judged on their own merits.." North Cyprus is on that list, and "discussed on their own merits" means exactly NOT ITN/R. There is precious little arguments in these votes on the notability or impact of this new election as such; rather we are supposed to believe that simply-worded guidelines are somehow mistaken, or to engage in whataboutism wrt other disputed states.130.233.213.199 (talk) 12:36, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment Pinging @Stephen, Muboshgu, Ritchie333, Masem, and MSGJ: - apologies for disturbing you, but as admins who have posted ITNs recently but haven't commented here, please could one of you assess this discussion and either post the story or close this thread? With recent supports I think it may have enough consensus to post on its own merits, ignoring the ITN/R issue, but obviously needs an uninvolved admin to assess. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 15:15, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

I did look earlier at posting this, but I honestly can't see a firm consensus at this point. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:16, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

I don't see one either. And this is not ITN/R: Disputed states and dependent territories should be discussed at WP:ITN/C and judged on their own merits. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:34, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

That bullet-point seemingly contradicts an earlier one that gives an explicit list of states to use, on which TRNC is included. Anyway, water under the bridge now. I'll probably initiate a request to clarify the wording in the next couple of days, but thanks Ritchie and Muboshgu for the assessment here, even though it's not the outcome I wanted to see! Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 16:44, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• Thanks for the final statements. Obviously I do think that !votes that opposed this purely because the election took place in an unrecognised state should have been discounted as explained above. This comes just in time for me to be able to get this one on DYK, so I've just started a nom there. For future reference, ITNR definitely needs to be modified - I thought the election would have been assessed on its own merits and thus I argued for its significance, so people just going "oh we can't set the bar so low" has definitely been frustrating, so we might as well set the bar more definitively, or else advise against such !votes in the future. --GGT (talk) 23:49, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment – Stale. Suggest close. – Sca (talk) 12:53, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: James A. Johnson (businessman)

Article: James A. Johnson (businessman) (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post; The Associated Press
Credits:

• Nominated by Bloom6132 (talk • give credit)
• Updated by KittenKlub (talk • give credit) and Bloom6132 (talk • give credit)

Article updated

 Bloom6132 (talk) 20:57, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support Also a well referenced and complete article, and he is major power broker. (better put it on watchlist now) KittenKlub (talk) 21:06, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 02:43, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Sid Hartman

Article: Sid Hartman (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Star Tribune; WCCO-TV (CBS)
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk • give credit)

Article updated

 Bloom6132 (talk) 20:41, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support The article is well referenced and comprehensive enough. KittenKlub (talk) 20:44, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 02:46, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) Royal pardon for London Bridge civilian

Consensus is against posting. Sandstein 20:42, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

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Article: 2019 London Bridge stabbing (talk, history)
Blurb: ​A royal pardon is granted to murderer Steven Gallant for his efforts in apprehending the perpetrator of the 2019 London Bridge stabbing, the first such pardon since 1996. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Kingsif (talk • give credit)
• Updated by Pigsonthewing (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: It is very unusual that the Queen actually uses her powers, here in judiciary. Kingsif (talk) 07:12, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Pardons are WP:MILL, The Ministry of Justice said the Queen was advised to grant this pardon (per the Guardian source above) means that this is the standard situation where the Queen acts on the advice of the government. power~enwiki (π, ν) 07:17, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• Pardons may be common as air for Trump's friends, but even if the government told the Queen to do it, she still did, the first invocation of such (controversial) authority since 1996. Not run of the mill by any stretch of the imagination. Kingsif (talk) 07:21, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Royal prerogative of mercy links to [4], giving an example of a pardon from 2001 (well, not for MURDER), and claiming that about six on average are granted special remission in a year. power~enwiki (π, ν) 07:27, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• Yes. Oh, do you think that helps an oppose vote? Not in my eyes... Kingsif (talk) 07:36, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support. This isn't run of the mill, the first one since 1996(even if the Queen is only doing what she's told). It's also unusual for a murderer anywhere to be pardoned(in the US we would say the sentence was commuted) for actions in apprehending or stopping another murderer, or where the family of the victim does not object. 331dot (talk) 07:20, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Duterte of the Philippines pardoned a murderer in September [5]. Trump did in May [6]. power~enwiki (π, ν) 07:25, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• And were they a figurehead who is not supposed to intervene or actually elected to that theoretical mandate? Can you see the difference? This needs to be looked at within British judiciary context; if every nom relating to legal precedents were considered globally it is likely none would ever get posted as "not unique enough when compared to this thing that happened in some place with a completely different system and history". Kingsif (talk) 07:26, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• It's not a figurehead issue, it's the queen acting on the advice of the government like she does all the f***ing time!!! power~enwiki (π, ν) 07:28, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• Glad you can keep a level head about this... Kingsif (talk) 07:30, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• Are you going to disagree with my claim this is on the advice of government, or not? power~enwiki (π, ν) 07:31, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• Were the examples you cite of murderers who help stop other murders or terrorists? The Queen does not pardon people all the time. A US president typically pardons a few dozen or maybe more in a term.(and can only pardon federal crimes, not state crimes) 331dot (talk) 07:33, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
• I guess I meant "give a reason that's not you apparently disliking the Queen to the point of expletives after three comments and we might be able to talk". It is on the advice of the Lord Chancellor, who ranks above the government, and is an advisor to the Queen. And, as said, she still actually did it. The Queen doesn't intervene, especially to pardon murder, unless she chooses to. It's actually exercising her powers rather than just nodding at every elected PM to go ahead. Kingsif (talk) 07:36, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• You didn't answer my question. I gave two examples (from other countries) of murderers being pardoned this year. I don't know or care if the details match up with this case; I suppose none of them were juggling while they did it either, but that detail wouldn't make a case ITN worthy. And as I linked above, there were royal pardons in 2001, and that article claims they occur regularly for some cases (also presumably not murder). And if you fucking think that my use or non-use of fucking makes a fucking difference I will fucking say the word fucking as fucking much as I fucking want. power~enwiki (π, ν) 07:38, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• I will block you from editing this page if you cannot be more civil. 331dot (talk) 07:41, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• You mean you'll let an uninvolved admin make that decision.--WaltCip-(talk) 13:09, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• The Lord Chancellor is appointed by the Sovereign on the advice of the Prime Minister. and The Lord Chancellor is a member of the Cabinet, hence, part of the government. This isn't Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II going rogue to grant mercy. This is standard behavior of the UK government. Any claims otherwise are foolish, and any claims of notability based on a claim of the royal prerogative being unusually invoked are factually incorrect. This is my final reply on the topic; certain editors seem to have a strong opinion on this matter that isn't backed up by the reliable sources they cite, I will let other editors discuss this. power~enwiki (π, ν) 07:43, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• It is, in fact, your claims that are foolish. In your quotations from the Lord Chancellor article you seem to have artfully skipped that he is the highest-ranking among the Great Officers of State who are appointed regularly in the United Kingdom, nominally outranking the Prime Minister. The Lord Chancellor is outranked only by the Lord High Steward, another Great Officer of State, who is appointed only for the day of coronations. He is not an elected member of the Cabinet, nor does he sit in either of the Houses of Parliament, hence, not part of the government. Not that it really matters because even if it was Boris who made the suggestion, and for the last time, the Queen does not regularly pardon murder - even the one in 1996 was for murder as part of foreign militia group actions during a time of pseudo-war by a man who acted as an informant then handed himself in after living free in the UK for years, someone you might say seems much more "pardonable". Kingsif (talk) 07:52, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• Comment: No stake in this argument, but I do want to point out that the current Lord Chancellor, Robert Buckland, is in fact a member of the House of Commons, and is the Secretary of State for Justice in the cabinet. He is decidedly part of the government, and the role of Lord Chancellor is appointed on the advice of the Prime Minister. 209.196.99.182 (talk) 09:07, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• I think it's clear I was pointing out that Power was misguided in claiming the position confers a role in government, and that it's moot anyway because why would that matter. Kingsif (talk) 09:37, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose – Certainly not significant and notable enough for the ITN. --WEBDuB (talk) 09:17, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• @WEBDuB: Can I ask why you think that? Kingsif (talk) 09:38, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

I think it's not an event that has attracted the enough attention of international media and Wikipedia editors.--WEBDuB (talk) 09:57, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

It just happened (3 hours), wait for other users and countries to notice before saying nobody's interested. Which isn't the only metric, by the way. Kingsif (talk) 10:02, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose, limited significance even in the UK. Most European countries have some form of process of pardoning by the head of state. —Brigade Piron (talk) 10:32, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose, limited press coverage. Even the Guardian did not put the story on their youtube channel, A normal pardon which as said above was on the advice of the government and not a unilateral decision. KittenKlub (talk) 11:00, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose While of interest for law enforcement in the UK, don't see its wider significance even domestically. Gotitbro (talk) 12:15, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose I just don't feel that it's that newsworthy for ITN. WaltCip-(talk) 12:25, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose – Parochial, lacking broad significance. – Sca (talk) 13:40, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose good faith nom, but this is just a sidenote in an article which did not even make it into ITN. Juxlos (talk) 15:03, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
• Am I reading this correctly: he's getting 10 months off a 17 year sentence? If so, this seems quite symbolic. GreatCaesarsGhost 15:40, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

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(Posted) Hyderabad floods

Article: 2020 Hyderabad floods (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Floods in Hyderabad, India, kill more than 81 people and cause $680 million in damage. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​Floods (pictured) in Hyderabad, India, kill at least 81 people.
News source(s): The Hindu
Credits:

• Nominated by Destroyeraa (talk • give credit)

Nominator's comments: Floods article that is updated and not too stubby. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 00:22, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support - Article looks good. Copy edit would be required Sherenk1 (talk) 06:24, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment The blurb looks a bit weird, maybe remove the local currency or the damage costs altogether. Gotitbro (talk) 12:17, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment anyone else supporting/opposing. C'mon people, look down here or else things'll get stale! ~ Destroyeraa🌀 14:39, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support A major loss of life in one of the largest cities in the world, what more needs to be said? Gex4pls (talk) 14:57, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
  • @Spencer: Ready? Don't want this to get stale. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 00:19, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Leaning towards Opposing on article length - would like some more information about the disaster (the article is definitely shorter than usual). The floods also don't seem to be covered by foreign press as much as the 2020 Visakhapatnam gas leak. The article also has a few grammar issues. Will Support if foreign coverage can be shown and if grammar issues are solved. 45.251.33.12 (talk) 05:00, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Al jazeera has reported on it, but thats about it. It seems that many media outlets dont really care about a disaster far from home. However, that is no reason for not including it. The article should definetly be cleaned up though. Gex4pls (talk) 15:42, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• A reference for a key paragraph did not support the detail. Stephen 05:18, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
  • @Stephen:  Done. I also expanded and added international sources, such as one from BBC. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 17:05, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Posted. Spencer^T•C 17:50, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

  Spencer, please can we add the picture as well? Ktin (talk) 23:04, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

  Spencer, was this missed out? Too late now. Ktin (talk) 06:30, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

  Yes, sorry. I had to add the pic to the protection page, but wasn't able to check back before subsequent items were posted. My apologies, Spencer^T•C 03:31, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

  Spencer, no worries. cheers. Ktin (talk) 04:11, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

• Post Comment Whoops sorry I thought you posted it already SoloGaming (talk) 20:26, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

October 17

Portal:Current events/2020 October 17

Current events of October 17, 2020 (2020-10-17) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, 2020 Ganja ballistic missile attacks Azeri authorities say 13 civilians were killed and more than 40 others wounded by an Armenian Scud missile attack on Ganja, Azerbaijan. The Armenian Defence Ministry says it is not true while Turkey calls the strike a "war crime". (Al Jazeera) Azerbaijan says its troops have captured the city of Füzuli in Nagorno-Karabakh. Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev tweets "Fuzuli city was liberated from the occupiers. Fuzuli is ours! Karabakh is Azerbaijan! I cordially congratulate all the people of Azerbaijan on this occasion." (Trend) Armenian air defences shoot down three Azerbaijani drones operating in its national airspace, according to the Ministry of Defence of Armenia. (Urdupoint) Armenia and Azerbaijan announce they are again attempting to establish a ceasefire. (CBC) Iraqi insurgency (2017–present) At least eight Sunni Arabs are massacred by unknown men in Balad. The area is controlled by the Asa'ib Ahl al-Haq militia prompting accusations against the militia. (Xinhua)(The Jerusalem Post) Arts and culture Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on cinema, COVID-19 pandemic in New York New York Governor Andrew Cuomo announces that movie theaters in counties with no cluster zones in the state can reopen on October 23 with restrictions up to 25% in capacity with a maximum of 50 people per screen. However, movie theaters in New York City will remain closed. (Variety) Disasters and accidents 2020 California wildfires According to the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection, California wildfires have consumed around 1 million acres (1,600 sq. miles) over the past month. This represents approximately 1% of California's land area.(CNN) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in Italy Italy reports 10,925 new infections in the past 24 hours, a new record for a single day in the country since the pandemic began. As a result, Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte is slated to announce new restrictions tomorrow. (Corriere della Sera) (Reuters) Lombardy announces new restrictions ordering all bars closed at midnight effective today, with bars only able to serve customers seated at tables after 6 pm local time, and the sale of takeaway alcohol is also banned after that time. The region also prohibits the consumption of food and drink in all outside public areas under the new restrictions. (RFI) COVID-19 pandemic in Austria Austria reports 1,747 new infections in the past 24 hours, a new one-day record for the country since the pandemic began. (Reuters) COVID-19 pandemic in Cyprus Cyprus reports 202 new infections in the past 24 hours, a new record for the country that suggests the virus is spreading at a rapid pace as Cypriots fail to follow hygiene and social distancing protocols. (Financial Mirror) COVID-19 pandemic in France France reports a record 32,427 new cases in the past 24 hours as curfew goes into effect in Paris and other major cities in a bid to contain the outbreak. (Bloomberg) COVID-19 pandemic in Germany The number of new cases in Germany rises by 7,830 in the past 24 hours, a record for the third consecutive day. (DPA International) COVID-19 pandemic in Ukraine Ukraine reports a record 6,410 new cases in the past 24 hours, according to a statement from the NSDC. In addition, 109 patients have died in the past 24 hours, the highest daily death toll since the start of the pandemic. (Swiss Info) COVID-19 pandemic in Asia COVID-19 pandemic in Iran Iran surpasses 30,000 COVID-19 deaths. (AP) COVID-19 pandemic in Malaysia Malaysia reports 869 new infections in the past 24 hours, its highest daily count so far since the beginning of the outbreak. Of these new cases, 451 cases were from Sabah. (New Straits Times) COVID-19 pandemic in Thailand Thailand reports its first two locally transmitted cases of COVID-19 in more than one month, after two Myanmar nationals living near the border with the country tested positive. (CNA) COVID-19 pandemic in Bangladesh Information Minister Hasan Mahmud is hospitalized at Square Hospital in Dhaka after testing positive for COVID-19. (Bdnews24.com) COVID-19 pandemic in the United States COVID-19 pandemic in Indiana Indiana's Department of Health reports a record 2,521 new cases in a single day. That brings the state's cumulative total to 145,977 cases. This total includes 100 cases that were delayed in reporting "due to a technical issue." (The Indianapolis Star) COVID-19 pandemic in Ohio Ohio's Department of Health reports 2,234 new cases in the last 24 hours, which sets a new record for the fourth consecutive day. (WFMJ-TV) The United States reports 70,450 new cases in the last 24 hours, the highest number since July 24. (The New York Times) COVID-19 vaccine Russia is to begin clinical trials of its Sputnik V vaccine in India. (Reuters) Law and crime End SARS The Nigerian Army announces a cyber warfare operation as protests against police brutality in the country continue. (Premium Times) Hong Kong activist Alexandra Wong, known as "Grandma Wong", announces she was detained in mainland China for a month and a half in Shenzhen and alleges mental abuse. She was known for being at the protests waving a large British flag but had disappeared last August. (Reuters) Politics and elections 2020 New Zealand general election Citizens of New Zealand head to the polls to elect the members of the country's House of Representatives. Next to the general election, the voters also decide about the country's policy regarding recreational marijuana and euthanasia. (The Guardian) Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern wins a second term in a historic landslide. Ardern's Labour Party becomes the first party to win a majority since the proportional system was introduced in 1996. (TVNZ) (NBC News)

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(Posted) RD: Johnny Bush

Article: Johnny Bush (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Houston Chronicle; Rolling Stone; KTRK-TV (ABC)
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk • give credit)

Article updated

 Bloom6132 (talk) 20:36, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Bloom6132, I was holding off on this nomination since the discography seemed difficult to source / cite. Does that Allmusic link cover all of the entries in discography? Ktin (talk) 20:43, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

@Ktin: Yup, all the albums are cited by AllMusic. Two are under the "Compilations" filter (i.e. Undo the Right and The Absolute Johnny Bush). —Bloom6132 (talk) 20:51, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

@Ktin: And the singles that weren't covered by AllMusic have now all been sourced. —Bloom6132 (talk) 21:26, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Bloom6132, Perfect thanks. Can you give the article one end-to-end read for copy-edits, including perhaps removing the last line of the current lede and replacing it with some of his works or honors? I think this looks very close to being ready for homepage / RD. PS: I would selfishly hope that John Reid stays on the carousel for some more time before falling off. :) But, if this article is ready, I support it going onto homepage / RD. Cheers. Ktin (talk) 21:31, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support I was coming over here to nominate this, the article looks good and well sourced, ready for RD JW 1961 Talk 20:56, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• @Spencer, Stephen, and Amakuru: ready to go. —Bloom6132 (talk) 16:50, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 16:52, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

European Rugby Champions Cup

Articles: 2019–20 European Rugby Champions Cup (talk, history) and 2020 European Rugby Champions Cup Final (talk, history)
Blurb: ​In rugby union, Exeter Chiefs defeat Racing 92 in the final to win the European Rugby Champions Cup. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​In rugby union, Exeter Chiefs defeat Racing 92 in the European Rugby Champions Cup Final.
News source(s): The Guardian, San Diego Union-Trubune
Credits:

• Nominated by PCN02WPS (talk • give credit)
• Created by Paddyreilly (talk • give credit)
• Updated by Mikey'Da'Man, Archangel (talk • give credit)

One or both nominated events are listed at WP:ITN/R, meaning that the recurrence of the event should in itself merit a post on WP:ITN, subject to the quality of the article and any update(s) to it.

 PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 17:48, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

• Comment should the blurb point to the final article rather than the whole competition? JW 1961 Talk 21:02, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

  Joseywales1961, good point. I wasn't quite sure, alt1 added. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 00:46, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

  I think the final would be better so I Support with alt blurb JW 1961 Talk 12:39, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• Comment: Needs prose summary of final match. Spencer^T•C 03:09, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

  Pinging Mikey'Da'Man, Archangel, PCN02WPS to see if this can be fixed before nomination goes stale JW 1961 Talk 15:26, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

  Joseywales1961, rugby is not my sport of expertise but I will add a prose summary later today. Hopefully someone that is more familiar with the sport (like Mikey) can give it a once-over and perhaps some copy-edits. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 17:28, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• Comment needs more prose in the bottom half of the article. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 00:00, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment Joseywales1961, Mikey'Da'Man, Archangel, Destroyeraa, and Spencer, a prose summary of the match has been added. I'm hoping that this is good to go so we can get it up before it is stale. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 03:27, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment PCN02WPS, Joseywales1961, Destroyeraa, and Spencer I have made adjustments to the summary mainly in cleaning up and mentioning of events other than scoring. However, I believe it should be further finalised before it should go up. User:Mikey'Da'Man, Archangel (talk | contribs) 09:32, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) 2020 Ganja bombings

No consensus to post whilst conflict is in ongoing. Stephen 01:10, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

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Articles: 2020 Ganja bombings (talk, history) and Ganja, Azerbaijan (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Missile strike at a densely populated district of Ganja, Azerbaijan's second-largest city, leaves 13 civilians killed, and 52 more injured. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​Ganja, the second-largest city of Azerbaijan, was struck by a ballistic missile, resulting in 13 people getting killed, and 52 more injured.
Alternative blurb II: ​Azerbaijan's second-largest city, Ganja, was struck by a ballistic missile, resulting in 13 people getting killed, and 52 more injured.
News source(s): Reuters, The Guardian, Al Jazeera, Voice of America
Credits:

• Nominated by Solavirum (talk • give credit)

Nominator's comments: Mass-casualty incident in a major city with an alleged used of several Scud missiles, killing 13 (including minors and women), injuring 52, and levelling an entire neighborhood. --► Sincerely: SolaVirum 13:43, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

• Weak support the article isn't stubby and is updated. Not ITN/R. Though the war itself if already posted in the ongoing section, attacks in the past week have killed 23 civilians. It is sad how many civilians get killed in these wars. Due to the high casualty count, I'm supporting. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 14:37, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment You think Armenia'll legalize weed now? CoronaOneLove (talk) 15:40, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• complete nonsense. Why was the Shusha church attack or civilian hospital not posted? This is partisan nonsense 195.250.80.226 (talk) 16:13, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose updates in an ongoing conflict is why this conflict is in ongoing. No need for a blurb unless you're gonna pull the OG item --LaserLegs (talk) 16:36, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Weak oppose - We already have the NK conflict in 'Ongoing'. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 17:59, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose – We have the conflict in ongoing. We should not bump up into a blurb unless some other major escalation, such as open war being declared. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 18:12, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
  • The two sides are technically at open war, though no side wants to declare it. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 21:07, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose The start of hostilities was already posted on ITN and the conflict is already there on ongoing. ITN is not news ticker, unless something major happens (as suggested by C&C above), this is not going to be posted. Gotitbro (talk) 22:22, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose – There is no reason to list every single incident, the conflict is already in the ongoing events. --WEBDuB (talk) 09:14, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose – Another of many brutal episodes in this ongoing conflict, which indeed belongs in Ongoing. – Sca (talk) 13:45, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose for the reasons cited above. The "ongoing" listing already creates a high bar to inclusion and this appears to have had little strategic or political significance. Tragic, naturally. —Brigade Piron (talk) 14:46, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose considering the conflict is some 20 days old with casualties in what appears to be the low to mid thousands, this is unfortunately just another day. Juxlos (talk) 15:04, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

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(Posted) New Zealand general election

Articles: 2020 New Zealand general election (talk, history) and Jacinda Ardern (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Jacinda Ardern is re-elected as Prime Minister of New Zealand after the Labour Party wins a majority of seats in the general election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​The New Zealand Labour Party, led by incumbent prime minister Jacinda Ardern, wins a majority of seats in the general election.
Alternative blurb II: ​The New Zealand Labour Party, led by incumbent prime minister Jacinda Ardern, wins the most seats in the general election.
News source(s): Reuters, NYT, AP, BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Davey2116 (talk • give credit)
• Updated by Kingsif (talk • give credit)

Article updated
One or both nominated events are listed at WP:ITN/R, meaning that the recurrence of the event should in itself merit a post on WP:ITN, subject to the quality of the article and any update(s) to it.

Nominator's comments: Preliminary results show a landslide for Jacinda Ardern. Davey2116 (talk) 08:35, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

• Wait Support ALT blurb 2 until the result is confirmed.  — Amakuru (talk) 08:53, 17 October 2020 (UTC).

  Update: Per discussion below, I'm happy to post now if it's unlikely we'll get much more news soon, as the "result" is fairly clear, but we should avoid saying she definitively has a majority if that's not actually certain yet. ALT blurb 2 looks good and is uncontroversial.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:58, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

  Amakuru, 64 to 56 is a pretty clear majority of seats. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 17:57, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

  Sources say that's just a "projection" though. I'm not entirely sure of the system there, because in UK elections, once all votes are tallied there's no doubt remaining about majorities. We could qualify it with "a likely majority" or similar, if people want to run with that line.  — Amakuru (talk) 18:09, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support if the result is confirmed. The current count is 81% and still counted. 110.137.170.83 (talk) 09:39, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Judith Collins has [conceded defeat]. I agree with Jayron that the altblurb is better. Chrisclear (talk) 10:17, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Altblurb is better as it reflects the electoral system in New Zealand better. --Jayron32 10:15, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Altblurb. New Zealanders do not elect their PM. HiLo48 (talk) 10:21, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment - as of 11:32 UTC, it is still not certain whether Labour will have a majority or not. So in principle, ALTblurb is fine, but we should still wait until it is confirmed exactly what has happened. "Conceding defeat" does not constitute that. CHeers  — Amakuru (talk) 11:33, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

• 'Comment Genuine question - what do you mean by "confirmed"? The votes will take several weeks to count, as they do for elections in many countries around the world. Precedent and common sense would suggest that the appropriate time to post this item would be now, when the item is in the news, and not when 100% of the votes have been counted. Chrisclear (talk) 11:40, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

  Well, the main point is that the question of whether or not they'd secured a majority seemed to be unanswered. Even now, the news is saying "Labour was expected to win 64 of the 120 seats in parliament, and National, 35". Is that question really not going to be answered for several weeks? If so, then I'd be happy to post now, but we need to nuance the blurb with words to the effect that it's not certain if a majority has been obtained or not.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:35, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

  Special votes only change the seat counts by, maybe, one seat, so this majority will definitely remain intact.  Nixinova   T   C   20:02, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes, it's entirely possible it could take weeks to count the votes. In which case something like altblurb2 might be a safer choice. Chrisclear (talk) 14:47, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support - Significant results for political trends. The difference in votes is clear enough, even if the results have not been officially confirmed.--WEBDuB (talk) 13:39, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support – All major Eng.-lang. RS sites report Labour (Adern) as "landslide" [7] [8] winner. – Sca (talk) 13:47, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

  "Landslide" is a journalese term, which doesn't really mean that much. We are an encyclopedia, and we must be precise. As noted above, I'm not in principle averse to posting this now, but we need to get the wording right.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:39, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Amakuru: It's a commonly used metaphorical term in the English language. But I wasn't trying to get it inserted into a blurb, just noting that all the sites use it as a descriptive term. – Sca (talk) 15:50, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

@Sca: fair enough.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:58, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

If you're "not in principle adverse to posting this now", then would you be able to change your earlier "wait" comment to "support"? Chrisclear (talk) 14:47, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

@Chrisclear: OK, done. Although as I said, let's not say she has a majority if that's not certain yet. Cheers.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:58, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support And it was a substantial win. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 14:30, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support per above. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 14:49, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support it is pretty much confirmed they have won at this point. However, as said above I'd go with the Altblurb as New-Zealanders were voting for the Labour Party not her directly. CreativeNorth (talk) 14:55, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

To veer off-topic, I do wonder just how many of the votes cast for Labour were really just to keep Ardern as PM, given NZ's relative lack of divisional party politics. Kingsif (talk) 16:04, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support It should probably be mentioned it's the biggest landslide in NZ, and the first time under their current system a party will lead without a coalition. Kingsif (talk) 16:00, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose for now – The #Results section prose is written in future tense and does not indicate anything being basically a done deal. It does not indicate that Ardern is the accepted winner and that the opposition has given a concession speech. It can be updated later with final results, but should indicate some highlights from the preliminary results. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 16:01, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

• I added a paragraph and updated the tense. The separate results article needs work, but the election article is the one to be blurbed. Kingsif (talk) 16:27, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

  Support. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 17:43, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support alt blurb 1. At least this time we don't need discussions about whether 'plurality' is a word in NZ English (spoiler: it is).  Nixinova   T   C   19:37, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Posted Alt 1. Unbolded Ardern's article, as there is just a 1-sentence update under the 2020 elections section. Spencer^T•C 20:25, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

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