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Evo Morales After weeks of protests over electoral fraud, Bolivian president Evo Morales (pictured) and other high-ranking politicians are forced to resign, and opposition senator Jeanine Áñez becomes interim president. The Supreme Court of India delivers a unanimous verdict in favour of the construction of a Hindu temple at a disputed holy site in Ayodhya. A border corridor is opened between Pakistan and India, allowing Indian Sikh pilgrims visa-free access to Gurdwara Darbar Sahib for the first time since the partition. Ongoing: Hong Kong protests Trump impeachment inquiry Recent deaths: James Le Mesurier T. N. Seshan Thích Trí Quang Nabaneeta Dev Sen Margarita Salas view - page history - related changes - edit

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November 13

Portal:Current events/2019 November 13

Current events of November 13, 2019 (2019-11-13) (Wednesday) Law and crime The Australian High Court agrees to hear a final appeal from ex-Vatican treasurer and convicted child sex offender George Pell, who was found guilty of sexually assaulting two teenage choirboys. (Reuters) Politics and elections 2019 Hong Kong protests Carrie Lam vows not to give in to protesters as chaos continues into Wednesday morning in Hong Kong. (The Straits Times)

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November 12

Portal:Current events/2019 November 12

Current events of November 12, 2019 (2019-11-12) (Tuesday) Armed conflict and attacks Gaza–Israel conflict Israel conducts airstrikes on targets in Gaza. (NPR) Accidents and disasters Mondobhag train collision Two passenger trains collide head-on in Kasba, Bangladesh, killing at least 16 people and injuring over 100. (Reuters) Climate change An exceptional high tide of 187 centimetres (6.14 ft) hits flooded Venice, Italy. It is the second highest acqua alta in Venetian history, after the 1966 Venice flood. (NDTV) Law and crime LGBT rights in Uganda Police in Uganda raid a gay-friendly bar and charge 67 people with "common nuisance" in what is described as the "latest attack on Uganda's LGBT community". (The New York Times) A man attacks a kindergarten class in Kaiyuan, China, with chemical spray, injuring 51 children and three teachers. (CNN) In Chanthaburi Province, Thailand, an ex-policeman shoots and kills two people, including a former prime minister's lawyer and a plaintiff, before being killed by return fire. (ABC News) Politics and elections 2019 Hong Kong protests As the situation worsens with clashes in the central financial district, police say violence is bringing the city to the "brink of total breakdown". Large-scale protests continue near the City University of Hong Kong, Chinese University of Hong Kong, and other districts including Central and Tai Po. (Reuters) After police shoot a protester with live ammunition, Hong Kong leader Carrie Lam speaks out and labels the protesters as "selfish" for "paralyzing" the city and urges all students not to take part in protests. (Reuters) Police investigate protesters for attempted murder after they are filmed setting a 57-year-old man on fire during an argument. (CNA) November 2019 Spanish general election Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez from the PSOE and Pablo Iglesias, leader of the left-wing Podemos, announce a first government agreement that will constitute the first coalition government in Spain's democratic history. This follows the failure to reach an agreement last summer and the rise of the right-wing party Vox. (El País) 2019 Catalan protests, Catalan independence movement Protesters block the two main passages between Spain and France. In La Jonquera, on the border between Catalonia and France, French National Police try to expel rioters. (The Guardian) (BBC) The Parliament of Catalonia approves a resolution expressing willingness to exercise the right to self-determination concretely, mocking the warnings of the Constitutional Court, which suspends its effects shortly thereafter. (El País) (The New York Times) During the night, some major throughways of Barcelona and Tarragona and national roads in Basque Country are blocked for a few minutes. (La Vanguardia) 2019 Bolivian protests, Evo Morales government resignation Despite lacking a quorum in a session of the National Congress, Senator Jeanine Áñez immediately declares herself President of Bolivia due to the vacancy arising from the resignation and exile of Evo Morales. (The New York Times)

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RD: Edwin Bramall

Article: Edwin Bramall (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): The Times

• Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk • give credit)

Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article well sourced and updated --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:40, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support - An admirable man and an impressive article ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 18:52, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support Well sourced, a true hero and ready for the main page. Only question I would have, should we list it as "Edwin Bramall" or "Lord Bramall"? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 20:45, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

November 11

Portal:Current events/2019 November 11

Current events of November 11, 2019 (2019-11-11) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2019 Bolivian protests, Evo Morales government resignation Buildings are set alight in La Paz overnight in apparent retaliatory attacks after Evo Morales resigned under pressure from anger over his disputed re-election. (Reuters) Armed gangs attack people in Cochabamba who appear to be celebrating Evo Morales's resignation. (The New York Times) Drinking water supplies to La Paz and El Alto, Bolivia's top two largest cities, are cut off. (The New York Times) Former Bolivian President Evo Morales says he has accepted an offer of political asylum in Mexico and boards a Mexican government plane as Bolivian Army troops are deployed in the capital. (BBC) Gaza–Israel conflict The Israel Defense Forces say they've killed Baha Abu al-Ata, leader of the Islamic Jihad Movement in Palestine's armed wing known as the Al-Quds Brigades, in an airstrike on a building in the Gaza Strip. PIJ confirms the death of Baha Abu al-Ata and his wife, vowing to "shake the Zionist entity to its core" in response. (Haaretz) (The Jerusalem Post) Syrian Civil War Israel Forces targets a Damascus house belonging to Islamic Jihad Official. The strike killed one of the militant's son. (Haaretz) Three blast targeting the town of Qamishli in Syria kill 6 and wound dozens of others. All the blast were claimed the Islamic State. (Al-Jazeera) ISIL also claimed responsibility for the killing of an Armenian priest and his father. (Vaticannews) Gunmen kill nine in twin attacks in Punjab a Pakistan province. The ambushes killed Two police officers, two intelligence officers and an informant in the first attack. The second attack happened at a checkpoint when unknown gunmen killed an officer and three others. (TOLONEWS) (RadioFreeEurope) Arts and culture The wreckage of United States Navy submarine USS Grayback (SS-208), which disappeared with its 80 crew members in the East China Sea on February 27, 1944 during World War II, is discovered on the sea floor using new drone technology. (BBC) (CNN) Law and crime James Le Mesurier, the British co-founder of the White Helmets, a volunteer civil defence organisation in Syria, is found dead near his home in Istanbul, Turkey. The cause of death is not known. (BBC) Cristian Sabou pleads guilty to the murder of Valerie Graves. He is convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment with a minimum of 23 years 272 days. (The Guardian) Politics and elections 2019 Hong Kong protests Protesters in Hong Kong call for a city-wide strike amidst an escalation in violence. Police shot a man with a live round at point-blank range in Sai Wan Ho district, besieged the Chinese University of Hong Kong and the Hong Kong Polytechnic University, and fired tear gas inside the campuses. (Reuters) Embattled Hong Kong leader Carrie Lam says on Monday that violence has exceeded protesters' demands for democracy and labels the demonstrators as the "people's enemy". (Reuters) The Kiribati High Court clears the way for the opposition to file a motion of no confidence against President Taneti Mamau amid reported discontent with the government's decision to switch its diplomatic recognition of Taiwan to recognition of the People's Republic of China. (RNZ) 2019 United Kingdom general election Major parties put forward veterans' platforms for Remembrance Day, the first in a campaign season since the 1923 election, with the Conservatives proposing an amendment to the Human Rights Act so that it will no longer apply to The Troubles or other 20th-century actions and the Labour Party promising extra childcare for military families and a new railcard for veterans. This is the 100th anniversary of the two-minute silence and other Armistice Day commemorations worldwide. (BBC) (Wikispore)

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RD: Charles Rogers (American football)

Article: Charles Rogers (American football) (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): CBS News

• Updated and nominated by DBigXray (talk • give credit)
• Updated by Arbor to SJ (talk • give credit)

Article updated
Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: C Class article with excellent sourcing DBigXrayᗙ 15:05, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose Large swathes of text are unreferenced, contrary to assertion by OP. --Jayron32 16:47, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose A significant number of claims are unsourced, including many that are BLP issues (which apply to the recently deceased). Black Kite (talk) 20:53, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: James Le Mesurier

Article: James Le Mesurier (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): The Independent

• Nominated by Miraclepine (talk • give credit)
• Updated by Philip Cross (talk • give credit) and Jwslubbock (talk • give credit) and Mvolz (talk • give credit)

Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Founder of the White Helmets volunteer organization. Responses section needs a neutrality fix and there's one unsourced sentence in the "Work with the White Helmets" section, but other than that it looks good. ミラP 22:25, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose orange tag will need resolving - when fixed, support. Well-cited article. Kingsif (talk) 22:59, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support when the orange tag is removed. The article is mostly well-sourced. RebeccaGreen (talk) 00:35, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

• Comment I've just edited the article a bit, adding more sourced information about his work with the White Helmets, and deleting an unsourced and incomplete sentence in that section. RebeccaGreen (talk) 01:14, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support – Looks good now. Significant improvements made. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 08:05, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support The information in paretheses under Military service surely means something, but it's lost on ENGVAR and JARGON. Presumably, he was in the military while not under command, or somesuch. If that was the extent of his official service, then I don't know why there should be a Military service section.130.233.2.197 (talk) 12:05, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

• It seems that he joined the army before he was on active service. His actual service is covered by "He was promoted to lieutenant on 11 August 1993, and to captain on 11 August 1996. He worked with the United Nations peacekeeping force in the former Yugoslavia. He retired from the military on 1 June 2000." So that's 7 years of military service, after 3 years at university sponsored by the army, and about 6 weeks on probation at Sandhurst. Perhaps that section could be edited to make that a bit clearer. RebeccaGreen (talk) 12:41, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

• I believe this is the Officers' Training Corps, but someone with more knowledge of British military organization would need to confirm. The U.S. has a similar system called the Reserve Officers' Training Corps of which I am more familiar, but the source is not clear on this. --Jayron32 13:13, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

• Delay until article is more settled. I'm not experienced with ITN proposals, but with the Turkish media talking about his wife saying Le Mesurier was thinking of suicide 15 days before his death and was on psychiatric medication, it looks like there likely will be significant messy developments before too long. I wouldn't add such stuff at the moment on WP:BLP and WP:RS grounds, but here is an example. Rwendland (talk) 16:06, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

• He was on "psychiatric medication"? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:15, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

• Posted. Black Kite (talk) 20:14, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Transit of Mercury

Article: Transit of Mercury (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Mercury transits the Sun.
News source(s): The Independent, timeanddate.com

• Nominated by Arseny1992 (talk • give credit)

Nominator's comments: Currently ongoing. Quite rare astronomical event. Arseny1992 (talk) 13:29, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support It is not a super rare event (last was 3 yrs ago, next is about 20) but this is along the lines of total eclipses and the like, so fair enough to post. --Masem (t) 14:46, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

According to that article, the next transit of Mercury is projected for 2032 Nov 13, which is 13 years from now. Banedon (talk) 22:25, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

• Comment - the article is not up to standard, several unsourced data in tables, sentences or even paragraphs. starship.paint (talk) 14:47, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

  @Arseny1992: - I suggest you improve the article by citing sources for all information in text or tables. starship.paint (talk) 15:02, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose, there seems to be no prose about this specific transit, and the pattern of the article suggests there never will be any. --LukeSurl ^{t c} 15:41, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
• Weak oppose. Whilst this is indeed a rare event (next one is in 2032), and I've been watching a live stream of it, at this point it's little more than trivia. All the science that can be obtained from such events was extracted centuries ago. ITN did post 2012 transit of Venus, but that event got a lot more public attention and a stand-alone article. That's even more true of total eclipses, which still have difficulty filling an article with useful information. Other than 'rare event happened exactly as predicted', it's not clear what could be said about this transit. There's certainly no substantial new content in transit of Mercury (currently just a tense change). Creating a new article and getting it into DYK would be better than putting the generic article in ITN. Modest Genius ^talk 15:46, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
• Comment - Well as this transit is about to end soon, so no point to post on ITN now. As astronomical events can be predicted to eternity into the future, this probably needs to be posted on ITN/R instead and be notified in due time without short notice before one occur (be it a transit or any type of eclipse). --Arseny1992 (talk) 15:55, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose, call for close Didn't seem particularly important, and is (almost) over now. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 17:50, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
• Comment I'm not sure why something described by a reliable source as an ""incredibly rare celestial event" should be snow-closed. It won't happen for another 20-odd years. ITN does cover events that have completed, so no reason to just shut this down. Probably as notable (and indeed rarer) as many other predictable celestial events, such a total eclipse. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:25, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
• Weak support as notable as eclipses etc, and rare, as noted above, but the article could use some work. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:26, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Article doesn't have much info on this more than one line in a table. If it's not notable enough to have more than a brief mention on the general article about the topic then surely it's not notable enough for ITN.  Nixinova  T / C   21:48, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per Masem - it's not a rare event. Banedon (talk) 22:15, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

  CLARIFICATION: Masem said it wasn't a "super rare" event, and it won't happen again for 20 years. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 22:18, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

• Note: I've reopened this nomination, which I felt was closed prematurely. Although I !voted oppose, 5v3 is not 'clear consensus', the nomination has been open for less than 24 hours, and the outcome could change if there is substantial expansion of the article (or creation of a new one). Let this one play out a bit longer. Modest Genius ^talk 11:27, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support The article is updated, the subject has some news coverage, the article is okay. Yes, it's not world-changing, but neither are the rote violence and protests that we post on ITN. We can call this a genuinely rare event that will not be repeated anytime soon without running afould of CRYSTAL.130.233.2.197 (talk) 11:53, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
  • I don't see any prose update in the article. The 2019 event just has one line in a data table. Modest Genius ^talk 12:58, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support - Glad this was reopened. It is a sufficiently rare astronomical event. Definitely encyclopedic. WaltCip (talk) 12:04, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose The specific occurrence doesn't even seem to merit its own article (unlike eclipses, where we generally post the stand-alone article about the event). The information about this transit appears to be confined to a date in a chart. There's just not enough Wikipedia content about this event to make it worth posting to the main page. If there were a sizable stand-alone article, or at least a several-paragraph section in a more general article, I could support it. However, there is not enough there there. --Jayron32 13:16, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

A Mercury of transit

• Oppose – Consensus against on ephemeral nature of (past) event, lack of general visibility and lack of wider significance. Can someone else finally close this tidbit, please? – Sca (talk) 14:26, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose - I had to add 36 {{cn|date=November 2019}} tags because I already warned about unsourced information earlier, but it was not fixed. starship.paint (talk) 14:42, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

But on the plus side, it could be illustrated with this pic. – Sca (talk) 23:01, 12 November 2019 (UTC) →

• Weak oppose I sort of want to see this on the main page since it's not common by any measure, but there's no way an article on this would have enough data, as seen through the linked article not even being specific to the date. Pie3141527182 (talk) 23:32, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

November 10

Portal:Current events/2019 November 10

Current events of November 10, 2019 (2019-11-10) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Five Italian soldiers are wounded by a bombing in Kirkuk, Iraq. Three of the soldiers are seriously injured, two of whom suffer an amputated leg, while another an amputated foot. The Islamic State claims responsibility for the attack. (Il Messaggero) The Armed Forces of the Democratic Republic of the Congo announces it has "neutralized" the leader of an offshoot of a Hutu militia, the Democratic Forces for the Liberation of Rwanda, in another blow to a "weakened group". (Reuters) Syrian Civil War, 2019 Turkish offensive into north-eastern Syria Turkey says a car bomb near the Syrian city of Tell Abyad killed at least eight civilians and injured twenty others. (The Washington Post) 2019 Hong Kong protests Protesters vandalize a subway station as violence breaks out across the New Territories amid anger over a demonstrator's death and the arrest of pro-democracy politicians. (ABC News Australia) Arts and culture 2019 Japanese imperial transition The new Emperor Naruhito and his wife Empress Masako take part in a parade in central Tokyo as tens of thousands of onlookers line the streets in celebration of the emperor's enthronement. (Mainichi Shinbun) (Kyodo News) (Associated Press) Politics and elections 2019 Bolivian protests, Evo Morales government resignation Bolivian President Evo Morales announces new general elections after accusations of fraud. (El País) (DW) (The New York Times) Hours after the announcement, Morales resigns from the presidency amid pressure from the military and the police in what he deemed a 'coup'. (BBC) (The Guardian) The constitutional successors of Morales, Vice President Álvaro García Linera, President of the Senate Adriana Salvatierra and President of the Chamber of Deputies Víctor Borda also resign. Mining Minister César Navarro also announces his resignation. (Reuters) (Reuters2) Vice President of the Senate Jeanine Áñez becomes the acting president of Bolivia, the first woman to ascend to that office. (BBC Mundo) 2019 Romanian presidential election People in Romania cast their votes in the country's latest presidential election. (DW) Israel–Jordan peace treaty Israel returns the territory of the "Island of Peace" to Jordan. (The Times of Israel) November 2019 Spanish general election Citizens of Spain head to the polls for the second general election within a year. (DW) The PSOE, headed by incumbent Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez, wins the election but loses 3 seats and its absolute majority in the Senate. Political deadlock remains. (The Guardian) Far-right Vox gains 28 seats and raises from fifth to the third national force. (BBC) The center-right Citizens, the third national force going into the elections, goes from 57 seats in Congress to just 10, the biggest seat loss in the election. Albert Rivera quits as Citizens' leader as a result. (El País) 2019 Chilean protests An American white supremacist shoots a protester in Reñaca. Before being detained by the police, he uploads a video to YouTube confessing the attack, claiming to have fired in self-defense. (El Mostrador) Interior Minister Gonzalo Blumel announces the government will propose the creation of a new constitution through the existing Congress instead of a constituent assembly as requested by the protesters. (Cooperativa) Sports 2019 MLS Cup Playoffs The Seattle Sounders FC defeat Toronto FC 3–1 at CenturyLink Field to win their second MLS Cup. (MLS Soccer)

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RD: Rick Ludwin

Article: Rick Ludwin (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): USA Today

• Nominated by Teemu08 (talk • give credit)

Article updated
Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: TV executive best known for his support of Seinfeld Teemu08 (talk) 22:34, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Spanish general election

Article: November 2019 Spanish general election (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Spanish Socialist Workers' Party wins the most seats in the November general election but fails to obtain majority as the People's Party and the far-right Vox gain many seats.
Alternative blurb: ​The Spanish Socialist Workers' Party wins the most seats in the second general election in Spain, but does not gain a majority.
News source(s): BBC, The Guardian, El País

• Nominated by SirEdimon (talk • give credit)

Article updated
Nominated event is listed at WP:ITN/R, meaning that the recurrence of the event should in itself merit a post on WP:ITN, subject to the quality of the article and any update(s) to it.

Nominator's comments: PSOE wins most seats but the "hung parliament" situation remains as right-wing parties Vox and PP gains lots of seats --SirEdimon (talk) 01:53, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose needs a prose update of the results, more citations in the timeline and ideally some more prose here. Also, the opinion polls graph seems to go on into the future - it should be cut down to end in Nov 2019 so we can see the lines. Kingsif (talk) 05:18, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
• We don't typically mention lesser parties in blurbs like this. Suggest altblurb. 331dot (talk) 16:52, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
• Comment Still no prose in results. There is, however, a giant table-dump daughter article listing results by district, and some (poorly sourced) new prose under Aftermath. The content of the latter might be suitable for Results prose.130.233.2.197 (talk) 12:16, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) Resignation of Bolivian gov't; Jeanine Áñez becomes president-designate

Articles: Evo Morales government resignation (talk, history) and Evo Morales (talk, history)
Blurb: ​After pressure from the Armed Forces, President of Bolivia Evo Morales resigns
Alternative blurb: ​After weeks of protests, Bolivian president Evo Morales (pictured) and other high-ranking politicians are forced to resign amid accusations of electoral fraud; senator Jeanine Áñez becomes president.
Alternative blurb II: ​After weeks of protests, Bolivian president Evo Morales (pictured) and other high-ranking politicians are forced to resign amid accusations of electoral fraud and military pressure.
News source(s): (BBC News) (CBS News) (Financial Times) ---- more sources coming soon, still on Live TV

• Nominated by CoryGlee (talk • give credit)
• Updated by Zellfire999 (talk • give credit) and Kingsif (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Sources coming soon. --CoryGlee (talk) 21:01, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support in principle, but Morales's resignation is barely mentioned in the article right now. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 21:19, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
  • That's totally true, I am working on it along other users users, but it's as hot as a hot dog. Not much info apart from the military pressure. --CoryGlee (talk) 21:25, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support - This is major news. Articles seems ready to be posted. BabbaQ (talk) 22:04, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support on the merits, should the blurb mention that the VP resigned too(as we don't know who is in charge yet). 331dot (talk) 22:19, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Generally a change of head of state is regarded as ITNR as well(though, again, we don't know who it is changing to yet). 331dot (talk) 22:23, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

331dot Hi my friend, as I said, it's so hot the news that it's overwhelming TV, I've just heard that military authorities have ordered the arrest of Morales. Too many changes at any moment. --CoryGlee (talk) 22:25, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

• Wait until we know who has taken over. Also I'm not wild about the blurb which seems to imply this was a military coup. It should reference the ongoing protests what the hell is going on -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:30, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support and added alt. Kingsif (talk) 22:44, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Kingsif Hi my friend, Jorge Faurie, Foreign Minister of Argentina made it clear on TN (Todo Noticias) TV channel, that Argentina would not grant asylum to Morales. That should be dismissed. :) ----- --CoryGlee (talk) 22:47, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Whoa! Coup d'état is a very loaded term. We would need very widespread, near unanimous, use of that term in reliable secondary sources to use it in wiki voice. The title of the new article is highly problematic. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:50, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

I never suggested it was a coup. I didn't add that. --CoryGlee (talk) 22:53, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

I only edited the article; it does really depend on who takes over as to whether it's a coup, but since it was the military turning on Morales, it's at least in the ballpark. edit: update to say that sources are citing or openly using the term because of the police action at least; sources added to article. Kingsif (talk) 22:59, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support I think the blurb should include the fact that Morales resigned under pressure from the military. (Morales says he was not given a choice.) So I prefer the original blurb. Davey2116 (talk) 23:25, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose "Coup d'état"? Really? Morales disrespected his people will expressed in the 2016 Bolivian constitutional referendum and then he, mostly likely, frauded the 2019 Bolivian general election according to OEA. Then his own people protested for several days asking for a new election and for resignation and it's called a "coup d'état". The article doesn't show any of these complexities. Also, who called this a "coup d'état"? I don't see any reliable sources calling it a coup. The word "coup" is used in the news articles only when they refer to Morales accusations against the opposition.--SirEdimon (talk) 00:26, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

SirEdimon, my original nomination article target was 2019 Bolivian protests. I don't know who changed it and I don't understand it. It's been confirmed that Gen. Williams Kaliman suggested him to resign but not confirmed he launched a coup. --CoryGlee (talk) 00:32, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Oh, I see. My opinion was about the article 2019 Bolivian coup d'état. If the target article is another one, I don't know exactly what to say. This nomination is quite confusing now. We should clarify things before going ahead.--SirEdimon (talk) 00:37, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

• Comment I'm going to be BOLD and put this on hold pending more information and article discussions re. coup. The protest page should be fine as a target, but when I saw the coup page had been made, I ran with it. Kingsif (talk) 00:57, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
  • I'm not sure what "on hold" means - does it mean that no discussion can be allowed? that an item cannot be posted? - and because there is not clear consensus to "hold", I have reverted at this time. If there is consensus to post and an updated article, then an item should be posted. If a new article becomes a better target, then that can be discussed here or in a new nom; I don't see any reason to put a nom on indefinite hold. Best, Spencer^T•C 01:05, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
    • An 'on hold' has been used before, it just means 'don't post even if there appears to be consensus, there's another issue being discussed'. Kingsif (talk) 01:09, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
• Blurb needs "why?" Is it because of voter fraud? Because he's native? Bad for business? Corrupt? Sadistic? Progressive? I typically forget which South American country Bolivia is, and I'm not the only one. Can we get a hint of the compelling political forces at play here, experts? Keep it vague, if need be, just some agreed motive. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:30, November 11, 2019 (UTC)

• Bolivia, a country you think about so little... Davey2116 (talk) 02:26, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

• Added Alt3 feat. Jeanine Áñez. Working on her article. Kingsif (talk) 03:02, 11 November 2019 (UTC) Also, coup title issue sorted.

• Support, with simple blurb Keep it simple, especially since this is a fast moving, current event. I prefer "After weeks of protests, Bolivian president Evo Morales (pictured) and other high-ranking politicians are forced to resign amid accusations of electoral fraud".----ZiaLater (talk) 03:45, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose alternative blurbs. His call for reelection comes from the OAS while his resignation comes from the coup. --107.77.223.113 (talk) 03:52, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support blurb - Agree that shorter is better, but I’d go with the alt blurbs too. Article appears to be in good shape. Suggest timely post. Jusdafax (talk) 04:26, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support on notability. Hrodvarsson (talk) 04:27, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
• Posted the first alt-blurb as I think the successor is important. I'm about to put Morales' picture in the queue for protection. Thryduulf (talk) 10:53, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
• Comment I believe the current blurb reads as if the protesters forced the government to resign. According to all sources this is not the case; the military forced the government to resign. Even as we justifiably agree not to use the term 'coup' as of now, we still cannot avoid the facts of the case. Davey2116 (talk) 06:29, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: T. N. Seshan

Article: T. N. Seshan (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): The Times of India

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk • give credit)
• Updated by Nizil Shah (talk • give credit)

Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former Chief Election Commissioner of India who brought significant changes and electoral reforms. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 19:38, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose based on lack of citations. Kees08 (Talk) 03:01, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

@Kees08: Please reconsider your vote. Article is updated. -Nizil (talk) 07:43, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support as updater. Article needs some copyediting and some more info in Career section. -Nizil (talk) 07:43, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
• Posted. Thryduulf (talk) 11:01, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

(Ready) Cyclone Bulbul

Article: Cyclone Bulbul (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Thirty-six people have been killed as Cyclone Bulbul hits the Bay of Bengal.
News source(s): BBC

• Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk • give credit)
• Updated by Hurricaneboy23 (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Very Severe Cyclonic Storm. Sherenk1 (talk) 02:16, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose for now – A bit too early to tell if this is worth posting. Bangladesh is notorious for catastrophic cyclones, but we don't have enough info at present. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 03:24, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Support ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 22:16, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
• Wait per Cyclonebiscuit. This might turn out to be a massively significant storm, but it isn't one currently. Thryduulf (talk) 11:14, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
• Comment - 18 have died as of now, updated blurb. Sherenk1 (talk) 02:09, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support - the storm is now sufficiently significant and the article is in fairly good shape. NorthernFalcon (talk) 08:05, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support - might help people to get information around it at this juncture much . Devopam (talk) 08:08, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support - and good to go now.BabbaQ (talk) 23:53, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

November 9

Portal:Current events/2019 November 9

Current events of November 9, 2019 (2019-11-09) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2019 Chilean protests Overnight, protesters forcibly storm the Argentine embassy in Santiago and set it on fire because of the Argentine government's support for President Sebastián Piñera. Ambassador José Octavio Bordón is unharmed and now considering moving the embassy. (MDZol in Spanish) 2019 Bolivian protests Police guards outside Bolivia's presidential palace abandoned their posts and join the protest against Evo Morales. (Associated Press) (Fox News) Disasters and accidents Bushfires in Australia The bodies of three people killed by bushfires in Australia are found – two near Glen Innes, and one at Johns River – as fires that have destroyed at least 150 houses continue to burn in eastern New South Wales and Queensland. (The Sydney Morning Herald) Half a million people are evacuated from the Bangladesh coastal area in preparation for the landfall of Cyclone Bulbul. (CNN) Law and crime Ayodhya dispute The Supreme Court of India rules in favor of Hindus over a place of worship that has been the center of disputes between them and the Muslim community in the country. (Reuters) Politics and elections President of Sierra Leone Julius Maada Bio calls for urgent action on Guinea-Bissau to "avoid a civil war". He makes the statement before the Chairman of ECOWAS, Nigerien President Mahamadou Issoufou. (The Patriotic Vanguard)

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Neutro Shorty concert stampede

Article: Neutro Shorty concert stampede (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Four teenagers are killed, and over 50 injured, in a stampede at a park concert in Caracas, Venezuela.
News source(s): El País VPItv

• Created and nominated by Kingsif (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Not much more to say - lots of teenagers trying to get in early, crushing each other. All deceased age 14. Kingsif (talk) 22:40, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose trivia. Other sections of the main page may satisfy. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 22:42, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

• While I don't challenge the oppose, I guess it's "only" three four deaths, I do want to ask why you think it's trivia. A human stampede on Saturday is certainly news, no? And I can't imagine it serves better at DYK... Kingsif (talk) 22:46, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

• It's a very low loss of life, we've had many many articles about stampedes with higher death tolls that weren't considered particularly newsworthy. Venezuela even had a stampede just last year with many more killed. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 13:44, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support This type of events aren't common in Venezuela, with the exception of El Paraíso stampede last year, making the figures noteworthy. Article is in good shape. The incident has received plenty of coverage in the Spanish speaking world (El Mundo, El País, CNN en Español, Infobae, Russia Today and Euronews, just to mention some). --Jamez42 (talk) 23:15, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

• Not common in Venezuela, but there was one only last year? Hard to judge the significance of your claim, or indeed of this event, without knowing how common human stampedes are worldwide every year? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:45, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support Article is of sufficient quality to appear on the main page. --Jayron32 13:21, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support - I want to warn against systemic bias that tends to take place among !voters when news stories of stampedes start popping up. There's often a subconscious assumption that these happen only in developing countries and that therefore the bar to posting should be much higher for those same countries. That should not distract from how individually newsworthy these events are, or how uncommon they can be in specific regions.--WaltCip (talk) 13:26, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support. Newsworthy event and article is in decent shape. There is no reason to assume that stampedes at concerts happen so often that it is trivial to report on it (Category:Human stampedes in 2019 only contains three articles and the other two are not related to musical acts). Other such disasters, such as Love Parade disaster, were featured in ITN as well. As a side note, I'm surprised that a band that is so popular that people trample each other to see it has no article yet. Regards SoWhy 13:38, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Walt's point is well taken - human stampedes happen everywhere. Note the deaths of 3 in anglophone Ireland this year was not even nominated. If we are not going to post every stampede, it follows that we will post only those with large body counts or larger context (government inaction, etc). This has neither. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:47, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

• How many are there? Do we have an article that tells us? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:50, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

• Indeed we do. They're frequent enough that I don't think a stampede that kills 4 is blurbable per se. GreatCaesarsGhost 18:45, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. I tend to agree. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:12, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose I'm unsure that this rises to the scale of ITN. We didn't post the similar one in Ireland not long ago, and the article isn't particularly great either. Black Kite (talk) 20:03, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) 2019 United Kingdom floods

No consensus to post. Stephen 23:05, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

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Article: 2019 United Kingdom floods (talk, history)
Blurb: ​An ongoing flood that is happening in Sheffield and Derbyshire in the United Kingdom
News source(s): BBC

• Nominated by LC1829 (talk • give credit)

Article updated

 LC1829 (talk) 16:49, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose unless this flood gets much worse. 331dot (talk) 17:00, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
• Comment – RS coverage seems scant outside UK or maybe EU. – Sca (talk) 17:37, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose, at least at present. It's causing localised disruption but they're not the worst floods in the UK in the recent past and (so far at least) have only resulted in 1 death. We can revisit this if they go on for a prolonged time and/or get significantly worse. Thryduulf (talk) 21:53, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose The flooding has now largely subsided [1] and while the one death is tragic I don’t think the flood is ITN level of significance. The article is still a stub as well. P-K3 (talk) 22:19, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Didn't reach the level of notoriety for the front page I feel. I wasn't directly affected by the floods but it was more the "shock" value of it that made it newsworthy.--Trans-Neptunian object (talk) 23:22, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

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(Posted) Kartarpur corridor

Article: Kartarpur Corridor (talk, history)
Blurb: ​In a historic first, Prime Minister of Pakistan Imran Khan inaugrates Kartarpur Corridor to facilitate Sikh pilgrims from India to visit Gurdwara Darbar Sahib.
Alternative blurb: ​A historic corridor to one of Sikhism's holiest shrines is now open, allowing Indian pilgrims rare visa-free access to the site in Pakistan.
Alternative blurb II: ​The Kartarpur Corridor, connecting two Sikh holy sites between India and Pakistan, is inaugurated.
Alternative blurb III: ​A corridor between Pakistan and India is opened, allowing Indian Sikh pilgrims visa-free access to Gurdwara Darbar Sahib (pictured) for the first time since the partition.
News source(s): Dawn

• Nominated by Guy in the Mall (talk • give credit)
• Created by Amanverma121 (talk • give credit)
• Updated by DiplomatTesterMan (talk • give credit) and Kautilya3 (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: This was also nominated in November last year. Guy in the Mall (talk) 10:04, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support in principle – A welcome change to our usual postings and a marked change to the state of India–Pakistan relations. I am not sure about the wording of the blurb though. Seems one-sided. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 10:58, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
  • The Kartarpur Corridor between Pakistan and India is opened, allowing Indian Sikh pilgrims to visit Gurdwara Darbar Sahib for the first time since partition. How's this for the alternate blurb? If too wordy, we can do The Kartarpur Corridor, connecting two Sikh holy sites between India and Pakistan for the first time, is inaugurated. Mount Patagonia (talk) 11:18, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

    Support alt 2 3 --- Coffeeandcrumbs 14:10, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

• Comment needs copyedit "Pakistan constructed 4.7 KM of dedicated expressways, including 800 meter bridge over the River Ravi". Nolo on notability. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:26, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support - Added alt blurb. Article looks good. Sherenk1 (talk) 11:29, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
• Comment – Of doubtful general interest. – Sca (talk) 13:14, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support. Even NYT & BBC are carrying the news of this significant development but oppose using Alt2 as the flow of pilgrims is only one-sided. So giving equal weight to both countries would be a total eyewash. Bigfoot Yeti (talk) 14:57, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

  I doubt the word "historic" will ever appear on the Main Page. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 15:50, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

  What do you think of the other alt blurb I wrote above? It's a bit wordy but I think it addresses this issue. Mount Patagonia (talk) 17:28, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

  Nice. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 19:00, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support alt 3. Banedon (talk) 22:18, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support alt 3. Important to the international conflict in that region as a positive sign of change. --Masem (t) 03:55, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support - Such a goodwill from Imran Khan while the tensions remain high in the region. STSC (talk) 08:38, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support - Border corridor between two nuclear nations and undergoing rough diplomatic relations at the same time. Mods please post it now.Regards, theTigerKing  11:50, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support it is a major news, no problems in the article that can prevent this from mainpage. Added the names of Kautilya3 and DiplomatTesterMan as updaters. Good work guys. --DBigXrayᗙ 12:14, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
• Not ready until the article gets a copy edit for grammar. Can't have stuff like "In 2019, Pakistan army placed a bomb on display," or "Pakistan constructed 4.7 km of dedicated expressways, including 800 meter bridge over the River Ravi" linked from the main page. Close, but not ready. --LaserLegs (talk) 14:42, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

  Fixed those sentences, I think. Kinda hard to see an issue if you don't explain the issue. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 16:51, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support alt 3-- BoothSift 02:23, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 02:53, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) Ayodhya dispute

Article: Ayodhya dispute (talk, history)
Blurb: ​India's Supreme Court makes a long-awaited ruling on a disputed religious site in the northern holy city of Ayodhya.
Alternative blurb: ​The disputed holy site of Ayodhya in northern India should be given to Hindus who want a temple built there, the country's Supreme Court has ruled.
Alternative blurb II: ​In an unanimous decision, the Indian Supreme Court rules the disputed holy site in the northern city of Ayodhya should be given to the Hindus.
Alternative blurb III: ​The Supreme Court of India delivers a unanimous verdict in favor of the construction of a Hindu temple at the disputed holy site in Ayodhya.
News source(s): BBC, AP, Reuters, Guardian

• Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk • give credit)
• Updated by Kautilya3 (talk • give credit) and Vanamonde93 (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Long awaited ruling. Sherenk1 (talk) 05:51, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

• Wait but leaning oppose There is major concern about violence erupting from the decision (pitting Hindu vs Muslim) and that might be worth posting about. But if the court rules (either way) and the net result is most heating gathers but no significant violence, it won't have much importance to the rest of the world. --Masem (t) 06:21, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
  • A comment : those that are saying this is an important part of the Hindu/Muslim issue in India, this article does not reflect that importance. Yes, it's a long-disputed site, but nothing expresses how major this affects the larger issue between these two faiths. --Masem (t) 17:34, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
• Strong Support One of the most important judgement delivered by the Supreme Court of India (which cannot be appealed) since independence and pending since 19th century. The judgment does not change the world politics but brings to an end the history of the dispute. The events surrounding the subject have shaped India's history to this date. Is widely covered by the international media (as it is a significant event). [2] [3] [4][5]. Regards, theTigerKing  06:52, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
• Comment - The case has been going on for decades, and is a major judgement for the SC. But I would oppose it as it won’t influence world politics at all. That is the only thing that can stop this from becoming a blurb, however, so this probably will become a blurb... RedBulbBlueBlood9911 (talk) 06:57, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support pending cleanup grammar is actually not horrible, but there are some sentence structure issues that need fixing like "While we have had a mosque bearing an inscription". CN tags need fixing of course and the timeline section isn't backed completely by the massive BBC reference used to source it. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:23, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
• Weak suppport - While this might not have any bearing on the international scene, it is still a major landmark case for one of the largest nations on Earth, and my understanding is that this case has cast a huge shadow on Hindu-Muslim relations in India for the past two decades. It's also considered a major victory for the current government, whose party has campaigned for decades to build a temple there. There is still a matter of cleaning up the article as mentioned above. Mount Patagonia (talk) 11:37, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
  • On a somewhat related note, here's a proposed alternate blurb: In an unanimous decision, the Indian Supreme Court rules the disputed holy site in the northern city of Ayodhya should be given to the Hindus. Mount Patagonia (talk) 11:37, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
• Strong support from somebody not coming or related to India. I see some people from the Europe looking for more information today and it should be here on the front page. The importance of this goes way beyond India.  « Saper // @talk »  12:30, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
• support - Seems ready for posting as well.BabbaQ (talk) 12:38, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
• Comment – Although the ruling has received RS coverage, its general significance seems questionable. – Sca (talk) 14:32, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
• Comment - There is a new article being worked on. Should that be the target? Sherenk1 (talk) 15:01, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
  • There is no reason that the verdict should be a separate article. The original article is short enough to include that, and you lose all the context by separating it. --Masem (t) 17:36, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
• Strong Support - It's one of the more central issues in Hindu–Islamic relations. Connected to this issue are several very important incidents in religious history, such as the Ram Rath Yatra, the Babri Masjid Demolition and the riots that killed over 2000 people in Ayodhya alone. This judgement brings closure to a bunch of pretty key things. Given how Hindu-Islamic relations in general and the relations especially in India in particular are hot topics pretty much worldwide, I think this would be an issue of significant interest to a lot of people worldwide and thus should be in the section. Karan (Theintuitus) (talk) 15:59, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support, a major political and social development in a country of over a billion people. As NYT has put it, "a historic verdict on a dispute that has roiled the country for decades"[6]. Nsk92 (talk) 19:48, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support alt 3. Banedon (talk) 22:18, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose - It's just a domestic affair without any global significance. STSC (talk) 08:30, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Please do not oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive. 2409:4071:2015:9D21:87FA:4220:4248:60D (talk)

I don't mind it's relating to one country, my main point is the event has no global significance, nor even regional significance. STSC (talk) 09:20, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support - A very notable dispute has been solved. Good to go as well.BabbaQ (talk) 10:19, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support The article is in decent shape and this is international news.Added Kautilya3 and Vanamonde93 as updaters, good work. --DBigXrayᗙ 12:18, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
• Not ready until the unreferenced parts of the timeline which are not from the large BBC article have references. --LaserLegs (talk) 14:39, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support I think 2019 Supreme Court verdict on Ayodhya dispute would be a better target, but this seems good to go. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 20:22, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support Ready-- BoothSift 02:24, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 22:18, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Thich Tri Quang

Article: Thich Tri Quang (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Thanh Nien, BBC

• Nominated by Bumbubookworm (talk • give credit)

Article updated
Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Vietnamese monk who led protests in South Vietnam from 1963-66 during which there were many changes in government. Died in the evening of 8 November but this was kept secret until 9 November after the funeral. Bumbubookworm (talk) 22:23, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support, the fact that official Vietnamese media can not avoid reporting Thich Tri Quang´s death underlines his notability as a person of major political influence during the war. The article needs some additional info about his early years and his fate after the war. JimRenge (talk) 00:13, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Added early years and later years Bumbubookworm (talk) 02:15, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support Looks well referenced.-- P-K3 (talk) 18:43, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 01:06, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

November 8

Portal:Current events/2019 November 8

Current events of November 8, 2019 (2019-11-08) (Friday) Disasters and accidents A 5.9-magnitude earthquake strikes 60 km (35 miles) from Hashtrud, East Azerbaijan Province, in northwestern Iran, killing at least six and injuring more than 300. The United States Geological Survey warns that "significant casualties are likely and the disaster is potentially widespread". (Al Jazeera) An explosion in a mine in Teutschenthal, Saxony-Anhalt, Germany, injures two workers and traps around 30 underground in a secure area. All are rescued several hours later. (Deutsche Welle) Law and crime Takuma Sakuragi, a 76-year-old former Japanese assemblyman from Inazawa, Aichi, is sentenced to life in prison by the Guangzhou City First Intermediate Court in southern China for smuggling drugs hidden in his suitcase at Guangzhou Baiyun International Airport in October 2013 (he had been detained by Chinese authorities since then). (KYODO NEWS) (Los Angeles Times) A federal judge orders the immediate release of former Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva. (Reuters) 2019 Hong Kong protests A student from Hong Kong University of Science and Technology (HKUST), named Chow Tsz-lok, died after suffering brain damage following a fall during anti-government protests. (The Guardian) (The New York Times) Impeachment inquiry against Donald Trump During her testimony before U.S. House investigators last month in the impeachment inquiry against President Donald Trump, Fiona Hill, Trump's former top adviser on Russia and Europe, said that she received death threats and "hateful calls" and was the subject of false "conspiracy theories" as part of a targeted harassment campaign she claims was implemented after she agreed to cooperate with the inquiry, according to a deposition transcript. (NBC News) Politics and elections Turkey's Interior Minister Süleyman Soylu announces that his country will begin repatriating ISIL prisoners on Monday. (Reuters) Under pressure of sanctions by ECOWAS, newly appointed Prime Minister of Guinea-Bissau Faustino Imbali resigns. (Yahoo News) 2019 Bolivian protests Several dozen policemen were seen joining the protests against Evo Morales' government in at least three cities. Bolivia's defence minister stated that no "military measures" would be taken against the policemen, but added that he would "get" the disobedient officers. (Reuters) (The Guardian)

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2019 Mauritian general election

Article: 2019 Mauritian general election (talk, history)
Blurb: ​The ruling Mouvement Socialiste Mauricien party wins a majority in the 2019 Mauritian general election, the first one in more than 40 years without pre-electoral alliances, securing a second mandate for incumbent Prime Minister Pravind Jugnauth
News source(s): Reuters
Nominated event is listed at WP:ITN/R, meaning that the recurrence of the event should in itself merit a post on WP:ITN, subject to the quality of the article and any update(s) to it.

 Manish2542 (talk) 00:50, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose for now. Article needs expansion before it can be posted to the main page. At present it's a borderline stub. Will reconsider on improvements. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:07, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose at present. Not more than a stub and results table is empty.  Nixinova  T / C   03:21, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose at this time. Barely a stub. I mean the results table is still empty. The infobox hasn't even been updated. There is no info regarding the campaign & all the political parties that contested the election. LefcentrerightTalk (plz ping) 10:12, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

RD: Robert Freeman

Article: Robert Freeman (photographer) (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood

• Nominated by Masem (talk • give credit)

Article updated
Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Photographer of several of the Beatles albums and other artists. Article is not too far off in quality, but does need a good amount of sourcing. Masem (t) 23:12, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose not close to main page quality. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 23:33, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per nom, a lot of work needed on the referencing. P-K3 (talk) 22:06, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva

(non-admin closure) Consensus to post will not develop.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 10:28, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

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Article: Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Former Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva (pictured), arrested for 580 days, has been released.
News source(s): Aljazeera, CNN, The Guardian

• Nominated by MSN12102001 (talk • give credit)

 MSN12102001 (talk) 22:58, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose We really don't post the releases of people from prison, even former world leaders. --Masem (t) 23:12, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose good faith nom, per Masem. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:22, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose ibid. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 23:32, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per all, I don't think a prison release is itself usually notable enough for here. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 23:48, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. This release is on a technicality as he has not exhausted his appeals yet. If he was exonerated of charges and released, that might be different. 331dot (talk) 02:26, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Lula (and several other people) was released due to a new constitutional understanding by Brazilian Supreme Court. Lula was not acquitted of any of the crimes he's accused of.--SirEdimon (talk) 02:57, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Politicians around the world get arrested and released frequently. We don't actually post them. LefcentrerightTalk (plz ping) 10:03, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

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(Closed) Ongoing: Joker (2019 film)

Strong consensus against posting. – Ammarpad (talk) 15:15, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

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Article: Joker (2019 film) (talk, history)
Blurb: No blurb specified
News source(s): IndieWire, Forbes, MarketWatch, EuroNews, CNN, France24, Al Jazera
Article updated

Nominator's comments: Surprisingly, this has become the highest R-rated movie in history a month after its release. The R-rating category is quite distinct from other ones, so a record for it (as opposed to biggest movie ever is IMHO) worthwhile. Even the threats of shooters was notable. But the biggest feat of this movie is how it has ingrained itself into the culture that protests around the world use the Joker's mask. It's rare that a Hollywood movie has such a distinct cultural impact, and I think as long as it keeps popping up at protests around the world, this should be featured in ongoing. 205.175.106.108 (talk) 20:46, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose Entertainment trivia w/o a blurb. It's sunny and 85 here, but I see SNOW in the forecast. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:50, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

Joker_(2019_film)#Social_commentary trivia indeed /s. 205.175.106.108 (talk) 20:52, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

• Snow close Hideously shallow trivia doktorb _words^deeds 21:02, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Not really what the Ongoing section is for.-- P-K3 (talk) 21:05, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
• This is absolutely ridiculous. 30 minutes after nomination is not a suitable timeframe to determine if something should be snow closed.--WaltCip (talk) 00:06, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

  I would agree that the closure is premature. So I'm re-opening, without prejudice. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 00:12, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

• Strong oppose I can't see how we can support a piece of contemporary media as an ongoing topic. If there were numerous protests specifically surrounding the film going on worldwide that endured for several days, maybe. But that's not the case here. --Masem (t) 00:25, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support some kind of a blurb, Oppose ongoing. We can post sports records right? We can post the record sale price of some painting right? So we can post this too. Article is excellent. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:36, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
  • There are certain sports records that are long-standing points of perfection (eg the four minute mile, or the more recent 2-hr marathon). Random records we don't post unless its part of another story. Same here, especially since we have to add the cavaet of "highest grossing R rated films", in contrast to when Avengers Endgame surpassed all films previously and did not need any clarifying caveats. --Masem (t) 01:40, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
    • We've posted numerous times record auction prices for paintings (maybe other crap). The article is excellent, our WP:READERS will surely be interested. WP:ITN#Purpose seems satisfied to me. I mean ... is it terrible if we push out the blurb for a week old baseball game or a staggeringly irrelevant train accident? Come on.... --LaserLegs (talk) 01:49, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. There is nothing to justify ongoing. A blurb could have been considered when it became the highest-grossing R-rated film but that was 24 October (reported 25 October [7]) so that's old news. The record was also broken in 2016 by Deadpool (film) and 2018 by Deadpool 2 so it wasn't a long-standing record. Joker will probably become the first R-rated film to gross a billion US dollars but a round number in one currency is less relevant in an international encyclopedia (R-rated is also an American rating for American theaters). PrimeHunter (talk) 02:25, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
• Strong oppose for ongoing as this is completely unsuitable for that spot. Oppose blurb per PrimeHunter, it's more significant in the UK as it was reported yesterday [8] that it is now the highest-grossing 15-rated film beating The Full Monty (1997) by £0.2m. However that does indicate how arbitrary the record is when you have to qualify by country and rating. Thryduulf (talk) 10:01, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per PrimeHunter. Let's wait till some film beats Gone with the Wind or Avengers: Endgame. The modifier "R-rated" makes me think this achievement is commonplace and to be expected as the world becomes less prudish. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 11:09, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose – Inappropriate destination. Of doubtful significance. – Sca (talk) 13:20, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. Even if The GlittFather had got "a six-figure sum" in royalties for being the co-writer of "Rock and Roll Part 2". Martinevans123 (talk) 13:43, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

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November 7

Portal:Current events/2019 November 7

Current events of November 7, 2019 (2019-11-07) (Thursday) Disasters and accidents A Cirrus SR22 crashes into a house in Upland, California, killing the pilot. (Los Angeles Times) Law and crime LGBT rights in Malaysia Five Malaysian men are sentenced to six months in jail, fined, and caned for "attempting gay sex". (Reuters) The International Criminal Court sentences Bosco Ntaganda to 30 years in prison for war crimes as leader of the National Congress for the Defence of the People which operated in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC). (Al Jazeera) 2019 Bolivian protests The mayor of Vinto, Patricia Arce of the ruling MAS party, is attacked by opposition protesters who dragged her through the streets barefoot, covered her in red paint and forcibly cut her hair. (BBC News) Limbert Guzman, a 20-year-old student, is killed following clashes between supporters and opponents of Bolivian President Evo Morales. (Voice of America) Politics and elections 2019 Mauritian general election Citizens of Mauritius cast their vote in the country's latest parliamentary election. Militant Socialist Movement, led by incumbent Prime Minister Pravind Jugnauth wins a huge majority securing the re-election. (Foreign Brief) (The New York Times) (Reuters)

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(Posted) RD: Nabaneeta Dev Sen

Article: Nabaneeta Dev Sen (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): India Today

• Nominated by DBigXray (talk • give credit)
• Updated by Nizil Shah (talk • give credit) and RebeccaGreen (talk • give credit)

Article updated
Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: C Class article with excellent sourcing DBigXrayᗙ 16:22, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

• Comment: Could use some mild copyediting and some parts of her Career/Literary Career sections are unreferenced. Spencer^T•C 16:43, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose terrifying bullet-point article with many uncited claims. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 21:19, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
• Weak support. Referencing & formatting concerns have been addressed, though there are still some paragraphs uncited. LefcentrerightTalk (plz ping) 10:07, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
• Comment There is quite a lot of unsourced information - I am searching for and adding sources. RebeccaGreen (talk) 11:12, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support – She seems quite a significant literary figure. Article has been ausgemistet. – Sca (talk) 13:41, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support – Marked ready. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 07:27, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support Article now represents her achievements and has adequate sourcing. RebeccaGreen (talk) 08:15, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
• Posted Kees08 (Talk) 16:38, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Margarita Salas

Article: Margarita Salas (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): El País

• Nominated by Alsoriano97 (talk • give credit)
• Updated by RebeccaGreen (talk • give credit)

Article updated
Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Salas has been one of the greatest and very awarded Spanish scientists, as she had a key role in DNA investigations. Alsoriano97 (talk) 10:44, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose - citations needed for her awards ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 12:44, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Support - Thanks @RebeccaGreen:! Everything seems to be sourced now, so changing to support ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 17:40, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose not even close. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 09:24, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. Citations are needed. LefcentrerightTalk (plz ping) 12:19, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support. Article looks good. LefcentrerightTalk (plz ping) 07:56, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose - ping me when improved.BabbaQ (talk) 14:28, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
• Comment I am adding citations; there is also other information which could be added (honorary doctorates, editor of scientific journals, etc). I will ping others when I think it's ready. RebeccaGreen (talk) 14:38, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support @The Rambling Man, Lefcentreright, and BabbaQ: All content is now sourced, and her professional career is more fully covered. The article could be improved and expanded, but I think it is adequate now for RD. Please ping me if you still have concerns. RebeccaGreen (talk) 04:40, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support – Let's post. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 08:11, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
• Posted. Thryduulf (talk) 10:04, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

November 6

Portal:Current events/2019 November 6

Current events of November 6, 2019 (2019-11-06) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Terrorism in Tajikistan Twenty gunmen open fire around a border checkpoint between Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, killing a border guard and a policeman. Fifteen assailants are killed and five others captured. (Al Jazeera) A knife-wielding man launched a random assault wounding eight people, including four foreign tourists and four locals, before being arrested in Jerash, Jordan. A Mexican tourist and a Jordanian tour guide are seriously injured. Among the injured there is a bus driver stabbed while trying to stop the assailant from entering a cafeteria full of tourists. (BBC News) Allied Democratic Forces insurgency Ten civilians are killed by ADF militiamen who crossed the border from Uganda into the Beni Territory, North Kivu, DR Congo. (France 24) Insurgency in the Maghreb 2019 Fada N'gourma attack Thirty-seven people are dead and 60 others are injured after gunmen attack a Canadian gold mining company convoy on a road in Burkina Faso. (BBC News) France announces it will send ground troops to three border areas in Burkina Faso. (Al Jazeera) 2019 Yala attack Gunmen kill 15 people and injure five at a security checkpoint in Yala Province, Thailand. The attack is the most deadly in years. (Reuters) (Bangkok Post) 2019 Hong Kong protests Hong Kong pro-government politician Junius Ho and his assistant are hospitalized after being stabbed by a man pretending to be a supporter. The perpetrator is arrested. (BBC News) (CNN) (South China Morning Post) LeBarón family massacre A suspect has been arrested for the mass shooting in Sonora, Mexico. (USA Today) 2019 Iraqi protests At least three people are killed, and a further 17 wounded, when security forces fire at protestors trying to block a bridge in Baghdad. This is in spite of the government announcing the military was banned from using live rounds. (Al Jazeera) Business and economy Facebook–Cambridge Analytica data scandal A court filing by California Attorney General Xavier Becerra reveals for the first time that the state launched an 18-month investigation into Facebook’s privacy issues in response to the Cambridge Analytica scandal. The filing accuses the company of refusing to cooperate with investigators, and asks the court to require them to turn over information regarding third-party access to data and changes in privacy settings. (Reuters) International relations Israel–Jordan relations Israel releases two Jordanian citizens it held in detention since August, after the Jordanian government successfully negotiated for their release on Monday. (Al Jazeera) Nuclear program of Iran French media reports that Iranian nuclear scientists began injecting uranium into centrifuges in the presence of International Atomic Energy Agency inspectors at the Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant. Effectively it turns the plant from a research site into an active nuclear site, in further violation of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action. (Al Jazeera) Law and crime Dutch police evacuate passengers and crew onboard an Air Europa flight at Amsterdam's Schiphol Airport to investigate reports of a "suspicious situation". The airline later tweets it was a false alarm. (BBC News) (NL Times) 2019 Chilean protests Regional prosecutor for East Santiago Manuel Guerra announces his intentions to investigate 14 police officers for allegedly torturing protestors. (Reuters) Two former Twitter employees are charged for spying on at least 6,000 users on behalf of Saudi Arabia. (BBC News) Politics and elections 2019 Lebanese protests Protestors sit-in at numerous government ministries, offices of major utility company Électricité du Liban, and property development sites at Zaitunay Bay in Beirut as protests enter their fourth week. (Al Jazeera) Hundreds of students at schools and universities join the protests. (Al Jazeera)

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(Posted) Danuvius guggenmosi

Article: Danuvius guggenmosi (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Scientists describe a new species of ancient great ape, Danuvius guggenmosi.
Alternative blurb: ​A 11.6 million year old fossil found in Germany is a described as a new great ape species, Danuvius guggenmosi, which was walking upright at least 6 million years earlier than human ancestors did.
Alternative blurb II: ​Scientists describe a new species of ancient great ape, Danuvius guggenmosi, capable of upright walking.
News source(s): Nature, Newsweek, Der Speigel, NY Times, CBC, The Guardian

• Nominated by Brandmeister (talk • give credit)
• Created by Rowan Forest (talk • give credit)

Nominator's comments: Described as capable of upright bipedal walking, challenging "the accepted idea that bipedal walking evolved much later in the ancestors of modern humans". The paper in Nature appeared yesterday. Currently tagged for further development, however. Brandmeister^talk 21:08, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

• Comment: blurb does not give any hints of notability; should include "leading scientists to believe apes started walking upright X years before previously thought" or something like that.  Nixinova  T / C   23:02, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support Obviously encyclopedic topic, and very exciting find! The article is short, but well referenced and gets the information across in an accessible way. Very nice to see something other than political drama and violence for once. I have added an altblurb to address the above comment.130.233.2.47 (talk) 08:35, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
• The blurb(s) need work. Altblurb 1 is ready. This lineage may have evolved bipedalism earlier than our lineage, but split from us long before we evolved it. Danuvius guggenmosi made no genetic contribution to us. This discovery does not challenge any aspect of the out of Africa hypothesis, nor the timing of our evolution of any character traits. Abductive (reasoning) 09:19, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose apart from the unreferenced category, there's nothing in the article indicating that the description took place around this time. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 09:31, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
  •  Done Brandmeister^talk 10:08, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
    • Still some citation needed and disambiguations in there. Looks like a tendency to overlink too, but that's not a major factor. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 21:36, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support despite the typical pro-hominid bias at ITNC. Would we be considering this if it were a ceboidea or (god forbid) a tarsier? GreatCaesarsGhost 13:41, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
  • It depends. Other sizeable mammals got their chance, olinguito was posted in 2013. Brandmeister^talk 16:42, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support I think new major primate species should be covered in ITN, and the first bipedal great ape should be covered also, since for human ancestors, this meant some 30% increase in brain capacity. 205.175.106.108 (talk) 20:51, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support – I wish Madelaine Böhme et al was mentioned by name in prose. I hate how our species articles do not document who first described the species. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 10:37, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 23:01, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

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