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This page provides a forum for editors to suggest items for inclusion on In the news (ITN), a protected template on the Main Page, as well as the forum for discussion of candidates. This is not the page to report errors in the ITN section on the Main Page—please go to the appropriate section at WP:ERRORS. Archives of past nominations can be found here.

This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. Under each daily section header below is the transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day (with a light green header). Each day's portal page is followed by a subsection for suggestions and discussion.

A blurb is a one sentence summary of the news story. An alternate suggestion for the blurb is called an altblurb, and any more suggestions get labelled alt1, alt2, etc. A blurb needs at least one target article, highlighted in bold; reviewers check the quality of that article and whether it is updated, and whether reliable sources demonstrate the significance of the event. Other articles can also be linked. The Ongoing line is for regularly updated articles which cover events that remain in the news over a longer period of time. RD stands for the "recent deaths" line, and can include any living thing whose death was recently announced. In some cases, recent deaths may need additional explanation as provided by a blurb; this is decided by consensus.

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How to nominate an item[edit]

In order to suggest a candidate:

  • Update an article to be linked to from the blurb to include the recent developments, or find an article that has already been updated.
  • Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated).
    • Do not add sections for new dates. These are automatically generated (at midnight UTC) by a bot; creating them manually breaks this process.
  • Nominate the blurb for ITN inclusion under the "Suggestions" subheading for the date, emboldening the link in the blurb to the updated article. Use a level 4 header (====) when doing so.
    • Preferably use the template {{ITN candidate}} to nominate the article related to the event in the news. Make sure that you include a reference from a verifiable, reliable secondary source. Press releases are not acceptable. The suggested blurb should be written in simple present tense.
    • Adding an explanation why the event should be posted greatly increases the odds of posting.
  • Please consider alerting editors to the nomination by adding the template {{ITN note}} to the corresponding article's talk page.

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There are criteria which guide the decision on whether or not to put a particular item on In the news, based largely on the extensiveness of the updated content and the perceived significance of the recent developments. These are listed at WP:ITN.

Submissions that do not follow the guidelines at Wikipedia:In the news will not be placed onto the live template.

Headers[edit]

  • Items that have been posted or pulled from the main page are generally marked with (Posted) or (Pulled) in the item's subject so it is clear they are no longer active.
  • Items can also be marked as (Ready) when the article is both updated and there seems to be a consensus to post. The posting admin, however, should always judge the update and the consensus to post themselves. If you find an entry that you don't feel is ready to post is marked (Ready), you should remove the mark in the header.

Voicing an opinion on an item[edit]

  • Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated.

Please do not...[edit]

  1. add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are usually not helpful. Instead, explain the reasons why you think the item meets or does not meet the ITN inclusion criteria so a consensus can be reached.
  2. oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive.
  3. accuse other editors of supporting, opposing or nominating due to a personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). Conflicts of interest are not handled at ITN.
  4. comment on a story without first reading the relevant article(s).
  5. oppose a recurring item here because you disagree with the recurring items criteria. The criteria can be discussed at the relevant talk page.
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July 23[edit]

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  • Madagascar officials announce that two French citizens arrested over a plot into killing President Andry Rajoelina are former members of the French Armed Forces. The French government says it is working with its consulate in Madagascar as the French military say it has no comments. (Reuters)

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Ongoing: Summer Olympics[edit]

Article: Chronological summary of the 2020 Summer Olympics (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: And they're off! Proper procedure per WP:ITNR is to have this article in ongoing, and the opening ceremony linked as a blurb. This article looks fine. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 14:10, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment is this article really a better choice than 2020 Summer Olympics to add to the ongoing? Especially when the calendar and Top NOCs by Athletes sections have 0 sources. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:18, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
    Yes, the chronological summary is what we always post to ongoing and even before it (remember that we had Olympic summary which motivated the introduction of the ongoing section).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:03, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
    So I am not the only one who remembers when the 2006 Winter Olympics took over half of ITN. Or when the 2004 Olympics had its own dedicated Main Page section and template. Zzyzx11 (talk) 23:14, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment I prefer to post it as 'Olympic summary' rather than '2020 Summer Olympics' or 'Summary Olympics'. It's important to include the word 'summary' so that readers easily get what it really is.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:47, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment In 2016, ongoing linked Chronological summary of the 2016 Summer Olympics, piping it to "Summer Olympics".[1]Bagumba (talk) 15:59, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose I'm not seeing any detail or any citations. ITNR it may be but this is clearly not serving our readers. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:02, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment: Only post if the page will be regularly be updated and cited. I myself will not be doing it this year. Not only I am more busy in real life, but I am concerned about the current page sizes and the use of collapsible tables on both the 2016 and 2020 articles (see here and here). The addition of a list of Top NOC by Athletes was not my idea either. Zzyzx11 (talk) 23:14, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
    Regardless of who is updating, the page is currently mostly without detail and unreferenced. It's a no. If we could find a decent target, then let's use that. This is not a good idea right now. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 23:21, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
    The only decent target would probably be the main 2020 Summer Olympics page right now, but it currently is using some of the same unsourced number of athletes by NOCs and the calendar table. Zzyzx11 (talk) 23:36, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
    This is why I do not want to get involved, don't have the time to deal with this: Special:Diff/1035146925. Maybe this should be the year that it should not get posted anytime soon -- neither the main article nor the chronological summary. Zzyzx11 (talk) 23:55, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

RD: Alfred Biolek[edit]

Article: Alfred Biolek (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): FOCUS; Süddeutsche Zeitung
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German pioneer of talkshow, entertainer, television producer Grimes2 (talk) 11:17, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

  • Support Can confirm he is well-known in Germany, though maybe not so much elsewhere. Article looks suitable. --LordPeterII (talk) 15:14, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
LordPeterII He doesn't need to be well known, as notability is not at issue for RD nominations. If he merits an article, he merits posting, once the article is adequately updated. 331dot (talk) 15:49, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Olympics opening ceremony[edit]

Article: 2020 Summer Olympics opening ceremony (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​In Tokyo, the 2020 Summer Olympics are opened. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​The Summer Olympics open in Tokyo, Japan.
Credits:

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: In half an hour; thought we could get the quality !votes in at this time for a swift posting. Will need tense updates. Kingsif (talk) 10:34, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

  • It was suggested that this be combined with the Brisbane 2032 announcement. 331dot (talk) 11:00, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
I also wonder if we should mention the delay due to the pandemic. 331dot (talk) 11:02, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
Tube of Light This is an ITNR event, meaning support on the merits is not required. 331dot (talk) 11:02, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
Wait a minute... I checked the Games article for quality instead of the opening ceremony and said that... Anyways, I think we need the "Ceremony key team" to be cleaned up as the title sounds weird and the source is given as a separate line. TubeOfLightTalk Less, Smile More 11:06, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Added that as alt. I'm sure some admin will add an appropriate ongoing link. Kingsif (talk) 12:44, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment some unsourced sentences in the Ceremony and Proceedings sections, plus all the Dignitaries in attendance. Once sourced, would support, and also support putting into ongoing (as it's the world's largest multi-sport event). Joseph2302 (talk) 11:14, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment I thought the Olympics was added to the Ongoing line, due to so much (reader) interest, and it spanning the best part of three weeks too. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 12:10, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
    It is, but the opening and closing ceremonies are also blurb stories in their own right, per WP:ITN/R.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:11, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Dignitaries in attendance sourcing is inadequate.—Bagumba (talk) 16:06, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Mention Osaka lighting the cauldron? 87.241.189.205 (talk) 16:51, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Why? AllegedlyHuman (talk) 18:06, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
It's at 2020 Summer Olympics opening ceremony#Ceremony, but you could have been bold and added it yourself if it wasn't already there. It's certainly not a prerequisite for ITN posting.—Bagumba (talk) 18:38, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
Thought this meant mention it in the blurb. Yes, it makes sense for the article. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 18:42, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
Or it's a Magic Eye trick.—Bagumba (talk) 18:57, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: John Cornell[edit]

Article: John Cornell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sydney Morning Herald; Cricinfo
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: pioneer of World Series Cricket concept. Abishe (talk) 09:47, 23 July 2021 (UTC) Abishe (talk) 10:30, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

  • Support Strop deserves a better article, but it is fully referenced at least. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 10:05, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support – well-referenced; meets minimum ITN requirements. —Bloom6132 (talk) 10:28, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Looks good for RD JW 1961 Talk 11:19, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Sourced. Grimes2 (talk) 11:28, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
  • PostedBagumba (talk) 17:08, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

July 22[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Health and environment

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  • Asylum in Australia
    • An Afghan Tajik asylum seeker who has been held in immigration detention by Australia for eight years sues the Commonwealth government in the Federal Court. A former employee of the Islamic Republican government, the man fled an assassination attempt by the Taliban and argues that his family is still being targeted in Afghanistan and that his indefinite detention prevents him from organising their escape from the violence. The government has requested the case be dismissed and denied they had any legal obligations towards Afghan citizens. (The Guardian)
  • Police in Madagascar arrest six individuals, including a foreign national, after months of investigation into a plot to kill President Andry Rajoelina. The attorney general accuses those arrested of having "a plan for the elimination of the head of state". (Reuters) (Al Jazeera)
  • Tanzanian opposition leader Freeman Mbowe and 15 members of his Chadema party, who were arrested yesterday, are charged with "terrorism", according to a statement from the party. Amnesty International condemns the charges and the United States said yesterday that Mbowe's arrest was "very concerning". (Al Jazeera)

Politics and elections


(Closed) Sub-postmaster scandal[edit]

Consensus against posting this. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:03, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: British Post Office scandal (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​British sub-postmasters falsely accused of fraud win the right to be compensated 22 years later.
News source(s): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57928397
Credits:

Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: This is one of the biggest and wide-spread systemic cases of miscarriages of justice, certainly in British history since the Hillsborough tragedy. Whilst the story is confined to the UK alone I am fairly certain that this is an unusual case and likely to become a "textbook" example in the future around the world. The case spans areas of concern regarding businesses, a state-owned postal service, employment rights, worker-employer power relationship, criminal justice system, computer program issues, the quashing of criminal convictions, the right to appeal, liability, compensation quantum and the impact of criminal convictions on livelihoods. Abcmaxx (talk) 22:20, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Purely local news, completely insignificant to the rest of the world. Mlb96 (talk) 00:50, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment Would support, as it looks to be major news in the UK, and the article has had a lot of work leading up to this point. However, I am very concerned that the relevant update (beginning with sentence "As of 22 July 2021, a total of 59 former sub-postmasters...") seems to have been lifted from this BBC article, and as such further copyright checks are needed before further consideration. A new blurb (assuming reader is unfamiliar with prior events) may also be in order. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 02:10, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Unless a substantial number of other Brits have been falsely accused of fraud and waited decades for sixteen hundred pounds of payback as well. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:18, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose -- this is an interesting news story, but I don't think it's appropriate for ITN. We did not (for example) post the first (or all) of the executions by the U.S. Federal Government in 2020, the first time in 18 years, but I believe that this was about the same level of notability -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 07:07, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment At least nobody went postal to hit the WP:MINIMUMDEATHS fetish.—Bagumba (talk) 10:24, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Mlb96. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 13:24, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose I'm in the UK, and it's not even on the front page of BBC News here anymore. It is an unusual case, but it doesn't have the level of national and international of the Hillsborough disaster and scandal. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:27, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose – Lacks general significance. Suggest close. – Sca (talk) 21:59, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

July 21[edit]

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Science and technology

Sports


ISS module Nauka[edit]

Article: Nauka (ISS module) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Nauka module is launched to the International Space Station. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Not sure if this should be ITNR, but this is the first major module launched to the ISS since the Space Shuttle retirement a decade ago. Since docking and connecting/assembly is a longer process, launch should be the major point covered by ITN. Note that this will be the third heaviest module in the entire ISS, and this might be the heaviest payload launched to space from anywhere since 2000. 2601:602:9200:1310:4893:74A5:E26C:891D (talk) 22:29, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment. I am mildly concerned by the two "problem" tags (the update one and the copyedit one), and the rules say that articles with such templates generally should not be accepted. Jarrod Baniqued has added them like, 6 hours ago, and I think something should be done with it before the nomination passes (at least the copyedit seems necessary). Plus the calendar-like section of the preparations to the launch seems IMHO quite offensive for an ITN-quality article and needs reorganisation. When these issues are addressed, I will vote for the nomination, as the topic is indeed important, but the quality could be better. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 23:43, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose I know I might be moderately hypocritical and have suboptimal reasoning for this, but I don't think we should post this if we rejected the Branson/Bezos flights; doing so would send a very odd message given what's actually been in the news.  – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 23:09, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
    That message being we cover encyclopedic content, yes. WaltCip-(talk) 13:15, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
    Which is saying that we have a very odd conception of what counts as "encyclopedic" compared to the general public. I say this as someone who firmly believes that nobody whose opinions matter really cares about what some website does, but this is the Main Page. I know I'm being out!voted here, so I'll let this conversation be.  – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 15:49, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support This is nice ITN material and news of high encyclopedic value. New compartments of the International Space Station are not launched every day and this is expected to have research function.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 23:40, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Article is extremely well developed. I believe this is ITNR. Albertaont (talk) 00:32, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support While this might not be as in the news as the billionaire "space" flights, it is far more encyclopedic.Jackattack1597 (talk) 00:51, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose on quality; the bold article is egregious WP:PROSELINE and the section headings in that proseline appear to be editorial invention. I would also prefer to wait until it arrives at its destination to post, but don't feel strongly about that. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 00:56, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose on quality, I agree with the points made by . And it has orange-tagged section, and a general "needs a copyedit" tag on article, so clearly not in a fit state for main page yet. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:54, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment – Perhaps it would make more sense to post this after it (successfully) docks in a week. – Sca (talk) 14:37, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Wait for successful dock per Sca. Would also give some time to fix the remaining issues. --LordPeterII (talk) 18:02, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment. Just noting that the ITNR list says "launch", not arrival. 331dot (talk) 18:07, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
    Why does the Rule Book say that? Isn't the purpose of the mission to get Нау́ка and all its stuff to the ISS? That won't happen until it docks with the ISS. Let's use logic (логика) on this one, comrades. – Sca (talk) 19:08, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
    I'm just saying what it says, "The launch of space stations or major components thereof". If it doesn't make it there, the blurb can be amended. We can also post it when ready and amend the blurb when it arrives. 331dot (talk) 20:13, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
    "Get it right the first time." – Old news biz saying. – Sca (talk) 01:26, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
    Remember why we retired? Everything went wrong! Move on, forget it and maybe do better next time, that's the new mantra, admit it. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:56, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
    It doesn't get it wrong to say it was launched and then later say it didn't make it. Blurbs are updated and changed all the time. 331dot (talk) 08:39, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
    Rockets are launched all the time. – Sca (talk) 14:18, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
    "First and last launch of any rocket" is ITNR too. I don't understand the reluctance here(in general not you specifically) Feel free to propose changing the ITNR listing to your preferred wording. 331dot (talk) 14:29, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

The launch is nothing; docking is everything. – Sca (talk) 16:05, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

It can't be docked until it's launched, so I would disagree. I've said how you can proceed. 331dot (talk) 16:13, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
We have a saying here on ITN too: "Go get the wording on ITNR changed." WaltCip-(talk) 16:13, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
Sorry, time for the news on TV. – Sca (talk) 22:01, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) Brisbane to host 2032 Summer Olympics[edit]

Item has been posted and it is also ITN/R, so further discussion seems pointless at this point. If you want to propose removal from the recurring list, do so at WT:ITN.  — Amakuru (talk) 08:11, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: Bids for the 2032 Summer Olympics (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Brisbane is announced as host city of the 2032 Summer Olympics. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: The announcement was made at the 138th IOC Session held in Tokyo today. --Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:54, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Hmmm only reason I am unsure this should be posted in the current state is the poor introduction, which does not explain at all clearly how are "interested parties that did not advance" better/more advanced than "other bids that did not advance" from "cancelled or rejected" bids. How are these 3 categories different, and for something ITN it should be far more clearly explained, because right now the article reads like "there was one single bid, and a bunch of other undefined bids". 2601:602:9200:1310:4893:74A5:E26C:891D (talk) 22:38, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment What's going on with the map? Also, a link to Brisbane bid for the 2032 Summer Olympics may be warranted. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 23:32, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Strongly support The last time an Olympics bid was awarded was also posted on ITN. JMonkey2006 (talk) 01:11, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  • This is ITNR but I would suggest that we plan to incorporate this into a blurb that announces the opening of the Olympics in 2 days. eg "The 2020 Summer Olympics begin, while Brisbane is announced as the host for the 2032 Summer Olympics". (this assuming article quality on all parts). --Masem (t) 01:17, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support this is good to go now, so would support posting it now. If there's consensus to do so, it can be merged with a 2020 Olympics opening ceremony post later, but there's no need to wait 2 days just because another Olympics thing is happening then. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:08, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Posting. I'll add Australia to the blurb to specify where Brisbane is. --Tone 08:18, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Post-posting comment Can someone replacing the image of Terunofuji Haruo with the city of Brisbane please? 180.241.209.217 (talk) 09:36, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose per WP:CRYSTAL. The current Tokyo Olympics are actually sorta happening in 2021 not 2020. In such circumstances, it is ridiculous to be making confident predictions about what's going to happen 11 years from now. The smart money is now putting a lot of distance between themselves and the Olympics as it is now considered a toxic brand. Wikipedia should therefore not rush to join some promotional puff that may not actually happen. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:35, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
    • While there are WP:CRYSTAL issues, I disagree that we should be using the problems around the current Tokyo Olympics to say that the 2032 ones may never happen. Heck, future Olympic games are specifically mentioned as acceptable under CRYSTAL as long as it's well documented. If the 2032 games are ultimately canned well before they happen, there's still factual information around host city selection/etc. that'd we keep. --Masem (t) 13:41, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
    • Complete black swans such as the 2020 hullabaloo don't count towards WP:CRYSTAL. There's a reasonable expectation for an Olympics in 2032 (as there was in 2020 prior to March), so it'd be completely asinine to not post this for fear of a remote chance of being proven wrong. Besides, the "toxicity" is only due to the 2020 Olympics in particular, not the Olympics in general.  – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 15:55, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
      • The Brisbane Olympics have already turned toxic – see Disgusting! And notice that the article linked in the blurb says absolutely nothing about this furore, which is now dominating coverage in Australia and elsewhere. That article has the title Bids for the 2032 Summer Olympics but notice that there wasn't a vote because Brisbane was the only candidate. Our coverage seems to be business-as-usual PR rather than giving a NPOV and accurate account. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:15, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
        • No crystal issues at all. Brisbane has been announced as the 2032 host. That's indisputable and verifiable. If the article needs improvement, go and fix it. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 21:22, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
          • The Guardian article indicates that others are updating Wikipedia in their own way to reflect this. Me, I have a point to make about black swans – an Australian bird which JMW mentions above. It seems that black swan events are an everyday occurrence now. For example, the Chinese floods were reported as being of once-per-1000-years level – a year's rain in just 3 days. This is a black swan event which is actually happening right now rather than being speculation about 11 years in the future. But ITN has rushed to post the speculation while dragging its feet over the present. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:58, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
    • It's ITNR, this is all bosh. Complaints department is over here. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 05:49, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(Posted) RD: Uttam Nepali[edit]

Article: Uttam Nepali (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Kathmandu Post
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Nepalese artist, writer, and actor. Bada Kaji (talk • श्रीमान् गम्भीर) 18:40, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

  • Support Ready for RD. Usedtobecool ☎️ 19:05, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted. AGF'd all the non-English refs. --PFHLai (talk) 05:18, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

2021 Henan floods[edit]

Article: 2021 Henan floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​At least 33 people are killed by floods and landslides caused by record-breaking rainfall in Henan, China. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, AP, Guardian, Reuters
Article updated

 Fdfexoex (talk) 16:47, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

  • Support because the floods are important enough to post & the article is being rapidly improved. There's no requirement that the death toll be above a particular number in order to qualify for ITN. Jim Michael (talk) 17:44, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support notable and article is just about there. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:49, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment – Notable, but still seems rather a developing story. – Sca (talk) 22:21, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Meh cynical or not, 25 deaths from a flood seems like a fairly common happening every year. 2601:602:9200:1310:4893:74A5:E26C:891D (talk) 22:39, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
Henan is the cradle of East Asian civilization, they farm a fertile flood plain like the other 42+ century civilizations. 25 isn't much but typhoon is still ridiculously far from Chinese landfall and strengthening, floods might get worse. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 23:27, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
The 201.9mm rainfall in an hour in Zhengzhou is a national record, which surpassed a 1975 record during Typhoon Nina. And Zhengzhou is a 10 million population megacity, the death toll will surely increase. So you see how serious it is. But yeah, the quality of the English article is to be blamed, it makes someone think it is something "fairly common happening every year", that's bad. The quality is to be improved. However, at least there's no more {{cn}} tags, so I say support. --Tomchen1989 (talk) 12:00, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose on quality as there are multiple cn tags. Once fixed, consider this a support vote. Joseph2302 (talk)
It seems there's no {{cn}} tags at this point. --Tomchen1989 (talk) 12:05, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  • I would recommend a stronger blurb to indicate why this particularly flooding is unusual compared to the typical floods that happen in SE Asia this time of year, beyond the simple death tool. Maybe simply going (per Tomchen's point) "At least 33 people have died in floods and landslides in Henan, China caused by record-breaking rainfall." to give some weight of why this is internationally newsworthy. Simply on population numbers and the current time of year, this would be comparable to news about a tornado outbreak in the US that may have taken <10 lives - eg we'd not post that simply because that's par for the course. But this does seem unique due to the rainfall amount. --Masem (t) 13:13, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support notable and passable quality. Yakikaki (talk) 14:23, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment – Agree with Masem 's logic, but suggest we wait to see if the toll rises anytime soon. True, news often is slow outta China, and RS coverage has been rather spotty and featury. But there are Western journalists there ... could become a major story.
    Sca (talk) 14:31, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support, but only with amended hook like the one suggested by Masem. The flood is imo not notable for the death toll (at this point), but for breaking long-standing records.--LordPeterII (talk) 18:10, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support. If those Metro scenes had been filmed on the London Underground or New York City Subway it would have been on the front page long ago? But I have to admit, it's a while since I checked out Chinese Wikipedia. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:20, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
Are you sure? Just 2 weeks ago there was a waist-deep flood in some New York City subway stations and streets and a top 10 rainiest NYC hour of all time and there was a ton of opposes and it was never posted. Subway waterfall, older commuter waist-deep in filthy Manhattan subway water (different neighborhood from the waterfall), street entrance of that station, 100 feet elevation in the upper-mid levels of a minor Manhattan valley that steepens a few hundred feet left of camera for good drainage to sea level yet still waist-deep in rain. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 21:54, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
Oh dear. I'm no longer sure. Here in the Euro-free zone we're Making Britain Great Again. I would not have opposed, for sure. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:05, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Not just "usual" flooding. Far exceeds the loose criteria for posting a weather article on notability.Destroyer (Alternate account) 22:09, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support – Definitely a notable event worth posting on ITN. This is an extremely damaging flood already, and the death toll is likely to increase in the days to come, unfortunately. I think that the blurb should be more detailed, though. Simply mentioning the deaths isn't enough, IMO. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 22:21, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support – A major natural disaster under way. This report puts toll at 51, and that seems likely to rise. – Sca (talk) 12:31, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support was suprised to not find it especially after the visibility of the floods in Germany, Sadads (talk) 12:50, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
  • How would the non-Henan landfall of the typhoon that is a major but not complete cause of the Henan flood be handled since Henan will likely be posted before landfall (forecast for July 25.5 UTC)? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:15, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) Liverpool Maritime Mercantile City[edit]

Proposed image
Pier Head, Liverpool
Article: Liverpool Maritime Mercantile City (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Liverpool Maritime Mercantile City (pictured) in England is stripped of its status as UNESCO World Heritage Site. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​In England, Liverpool Maritime Mercantile City (pictured) is stripped of its status as UNESCO World Heritage Site due to modern development of the area.
News source(s): The Guardian, BBC, NYT, The Daily Telegraph
Credits:

Nominator's comments: The removal of UNESCO World Heritage Site status is by itself unusual (only 3rd item from the UNESCO list ever to be struck out). The coverage in the news is wide, and the article, I believe, conforms pretty well with the ITN quality standards. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 18:38, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

  • Support per nom. Quite unusual to lose that status, although indicative of modern aggressive real estate development in some countries. Update looks sufficient. Brandmeistertalk 19:20, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support curiously I thought this was just a "nothing" story but actually as Brandmeister noted, it's rare. Good article, definitely in our news. I imagine it'll be declared "too local" but UNESCO is UNESCO and World Heritage Sites are global... The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:31, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support This reminds me of the revocation of Dresden Elbe Valley's status as World Heritage Site following the construction of the Waldschlösschen Bridge that literally prevents the clear view to the site. I don't want to delve too deeply into the strength of the arguments supporting UNESCO's decision but approving a large-scale development project in a protected area doesn't seem very sane.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:13, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
    Quite interestingly, most locals are rather saying "good riddance" to UNESCO. For reference, see comments here. (yeah, I know comments are not RS but still, just to have a glimpse into people's minds). Szmenderowiecki (talk) 22:28, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support - article has a 4 paragraph section that quite well covers the controversy and why it was removed, and as the nom noted it's only the third time something's been removed. If one can be crafted that's short enough, I think a small amount about why would be good in the blurb. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 21:05, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Honestly, feels like something that could be INTR. Very interesting. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 21:22, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Good to go. Marked as ready. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 21:51, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support important as it's pretty rare. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:47, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support, and would support delisting as a UNESCO site as an ITNR criteria.Jackattack1597 (talk) 00:45, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Looks good to go. Hanamanteo (talk) 03:03, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted Sure does. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:09, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  • For those interested, I've now started an ITNR discussion for future UNESCO World Heritage Site delistings based on the consensus here. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 03:20, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

July 20[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology

Sports


(Posted) RD: Theo Jubitana[edit]

Article: Theo Jubitana (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): De Ware Tijd
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Surinamese indigenous leader. Joofjoof (talk) 01:26, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Support Well referenced little article. KittenKlub (talk) 06:03, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted. I had to AGF all the non-English refs. --PFHLai (talk) 08:05, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Chuck McMann[edit]

Article: Chuck McMann (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC News (Canadian Press); Montreal Gazette; CFL.ca
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 12:53, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

  • This wikibio is long enough. Formatting looks alright. Refs seem adequate. This nom looks READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 16:39, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  • PostedBagumba (talk) 10:20, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Elmo Rodrigopulle[edit]

Article: Elmo Rodrigopulle (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Daily FT; Daily News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Abishe (talk) 10:30, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment: Long enough. Refs seem okay. No glaring problems. Ready for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 06:00, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  • PostedBagumba (talk) 17:58, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Jerry Granelli[edit]

Article: Jerry Granelli (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CTV News; Global News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 08:07, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

  • Support Looks fine for RD, suitably referenced JW 1961 Talk 14:00, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted --PFHLai (talk) 22:37, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) NBA Finals[edit]

Proposed image
Article: 2021 NBA Finals (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​In basketball, the Milwaukee Bucks defeat the Phoenix Suns to win the NBA Finals (MVP Giannis Antetokounmpo pictured). (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post, NY Times
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Article is being updated. --SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 03:40, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Game 6 needs a written blurb. Therapyisgood (talk) 04:11, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

  • Support has enough information about the matches, which is often the thing lacking in sports nom here. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:18, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted. 331dot (talk) 09:02, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

(Closed) Blue Origin flight[edit]

Consensus is unlikely to develop and the discussion is already longer than the article itself. Closing. --Tone 12:47, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: Blue Origin NS-16 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Blue Origin's New Shepard rocket, carrying four crew including American billionaire Jeff Bezos, successfully conducts a test flight. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Blue Origin's New Shepard rocket successfully conducts a test flight with four civilian passengers, including the oldest and youngest persons to be in space.
News source(s): AP, CBS, CNN, NPR, NYT, Space.com, WaPo
Credits:
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Not a first, but still unmistakably the news of the day. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 19:47, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose. ITNR only contains "orbital spaceflight" for a reason. If we set a precedent of "famous person/rich person goes to space" for this sort of "tourist" flight, that's not going to work when there's multiple of these per year. Now, if they were spending a week in orbit, that makes it more noteworthy than spending about 4 minutes in weightlessness just to be able to say "I went to space because I was rich". Now, this could be a DYK (or even an ITN potentially) if it is framed around Wally Funk (qualified astronaut who never flew) being the oldest person to go to space. Potentially being the key word - would have to be well crafted to not be too long yet still explain the significance. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 19:53, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
    • Now that it's been expanded to the flight as a whole, meaning the focus doesn't have to be on Bezos, I'll reiterate potentially support. My requirements would be that it focus on a notable fact (either the ages, both oldest and youngest; or the fact that a trained astronaut who never flew in her career was on this flight), and doesn't mention Bezos at all. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 01:29, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/July_2021#(Closed)_Unity_22_spaceflight. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:57, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Strong support when expanded. The first manned space tourist flight by a private company, which additionally (though slightly trivially) carried both the oldest and youngest persons to reach space. I would have supported the Unity flight for being the first, if it had actually reached space. It seems like this and flying cars have been predicted and anticipated for decades, and one of them is finally here. At last, some good news for rich people for a change. --Bongwarrior (talk) 20:20, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose As with the prior case, this is not the first space tourist, nor first flight of this specific craft. While it is a significant step towards space travel, it is principally celebrity news --Masem (t) 20:26, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
    I mean, ITN doesn't just report firsts. This is unquestionably in the news, more so than Branson because of the parallels being drawn with the working conditions of Amazon workers [2].-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 20:30, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
    Not the first space tourist, but there is a pretty big difference between purchasing a seat on an established launch system versus building one from scratch. In my opinion, the distinction is notable enough to post. It's hardly mere "celebrity news". --Bongwarrior (talk) 21:03, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
    I've never had a doubt that it's possible to build a launch system from scrath with that money. Any evidence on how does this newly built system make an advancement in the field?--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:08, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose The richest person in the world goes to space. That's probably a good decision what to do in life with the money if you were he.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:53, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose As mentioned above, I may consider this if it is about Wally Funk, preferably not mentioning the billionaire or company because I would happily add stunts to an exclusion list. Of course, what's the chance that oldest and youngest astronauts were flown as a stunt just so said billionaire got more (positive) attention. Kingsif (talk) 21:08, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose we didn't post Branson and we won't post this; sub-orbital space hops just aren't that newsworthy. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 21:13, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose. He came back. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:58, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
    Martinevans123, what does this even mean? That spaceflights are only newsworthy if they end in tragedy? ― Tartan357 Talk 05:36, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
    I guess that depends on what you mean by "tragedy". "The richest person in the world takes a joyride to space"? I might support if the blurb was "The richest person in the world decides to give way all his money to the world's poor after returning from space". Might happen? I'll just abstain until it does. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:34, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support iff the emphasis is on Funk and Daemen being the oldest and youngest to go to space. Even that is debatable, but I'd rather discussion not be closed just yet. Otherwise this is just another billionaire space adventure: glad they're happening, but not newsworthy.  – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 23:16, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support. I think we are missing the forest for the trees here. Space travel is still rare and dangerous. There were notable aspects of this flight(not Bezos) and I think they got higher than Branson. 331dot (talk) 23:34, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Conditional Support if the mention of Bezos is replaced with a mention of Funk and Daeman being oldest and youngest people to go to space. Rich person goes to "space" as a standard for ITN would become very lenient in a few years.Jackattack1597 (talk) 00:56, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose space is now just a journey, and while I watched this particular trip with excitement, it was just a tourist and advertising moment. If we don't post Branson, we don't advertise Amazon. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 01:05, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
If space travel is just a journey, please show me your ticket stub. 331dot (talk) 01:09, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
I think it would be better for you stop badgering everything I say here at ITNC. If I had $500K I could "go to space". I don't want to go to space. Or "space". Now pack it in with your harassment. As an admin you should know much better. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 01:13, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
I am not harassing anyone and resent the accusation. I am responding to a comment with a legitimate criticism of your argument. However, if you don't wish me to communicate with you ever again, I won't. 331dot (talk) 01:20, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
"a legitimate criticism" = " show me your ticket stub"?? Get a grip. And yeah, best you leave me alone forever. What a shame, I thought you had something, but clearly being an admin is too much. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 01:27, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
It's called hyperbole, but okay. I'm not sure what the rest of your comment even means, but sure, I'll do my best to avoid communicating with you. 331dot (talk) 01:38, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
IRS might require Bezos to show ticket stubs to prove "legitimate business travel expense"? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:08, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Proposed alt blurb without Bezos. None of the people on board were crew, they were all passengers. 331dot (talk) 01:09, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Call me when he invents the warp drive. Thermo-scraping notsomuch. CoatCheck (talk) 01:29, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose "Unity" and "New Shepard" are terrible names, and so will be the Hyundai version, not promoting that. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:46, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
    InedibleHulk, it's not notable because you don't like the name? What is going on here? ― Tartan357 Talk 05:43, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
    It's a supplemental Oppose, just another point of consideration. I agree with a lot of what's been said against this. Not all, but too much to repeat (I like Amazon, by the way, as a name and a service). InedibleHulk (talk) 06:21, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support. This was the first fully private space travel. Branson's flight did not reach the von Karman line defined to be at 100 km altitude. While that line is not all that relevant for suborbital flights (it corresponds to roughly the altitude above which the speed to generate enough lift to not lose altitude becomes larger than the speed needed to orbit the Earth), it can be said to mark the boundary line where the atmosphere is irrelevant for flight, so it is justified to call that the boundary beyond which space starts. Count Iblis (talk) 05:23, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Very obviously the most newsworthy event of the day. Editors' personal bias against Bezos and Amazon should not factor into this decision. ― Tartan357 Talk 05:34, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Question why is this more notable than Branson's flight, which was opposed at ITN? I'm not seeing the difference. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:07, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
    Branson is worth only a paltry US$5.7 billion. Because Old Beardie never passed the von Karman line, which is where space begins? Martinevans123 (talk) 09:19, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
    That would be good information for that article then, as it currently fails to explain why it's such an important event. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:23, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
    "The Kármán line (or von Karman line) is an attempt to define a boundary between Earth's super-rich and Earth's really super-out-of-this-world-rich." Martinevans123 (talk) 09:36, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
    My point is that Blue Origin NS-16 should include that detail- and some more other content- to explain why it's important, and to improve the currently insufficient article quality of the flight article. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:53, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose on quality the article is 1400 characters long: this is way too short to be posted on ITN. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:07, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Meh first launch of a rocket is ircc ITNR, and crewed flights are also ITNR. But since Branson's wasn't and this whole thing took under 10 minutes till landing, it is pretty meh. 2601:602:9200:1310:B112:B2E9:BC7A:3E88 (talk) 09:52, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
I believe they had test launched this without passengers previously, and it's orbital flights, not crewed flights in general. 331dot (talk) 09:54, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose per WP:IAR and WP:NOTNEWS. We do not cover news for news's sake. We cover encyclopedic content that is in the news. --WaltCip-(talk) 12:41, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: David Leckie[edit]

Article: David Leckie (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Sydney Morning Herald; ABC News; The Guardian (Australian Associated Press)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 10:13, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

  • Long enough. Formatting looks fine. Refs seem adequate. This nom looks READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 00:05, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Yes this looks fine for RD JW 1961 Talk 13:56, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted joining two other Davids on RD. --PFHLai (talk) 17:36, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) Terunofuji promoted to yokozuna[edit]

Proposed image
Terunofuji
Article: Terunofuji Haruo (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​In sumo, Terunofuji becomes the 73rd yokozuna. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​In sumo, Mongolian wrestler Terunofuji Haruo (pictured) is promoted to yokozuna, becoming the 73rd person to earn the title.
News source(s): Japan Times
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Last promotion was in 2017. 2601:602:9200:1310:8130:4CBA:6C84:E571 (talk) 09:21, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

  • Hasn’t been approved yet. Stephen 09:58, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
    • Yes, I was going to wait until that happens tomorrow (21st) before nominating. Oh well, I'll get started on adding more references.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:45, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Added an altblurb based on Kakuryu's front page blurb from 2014. Photo from his page is the uploader's own work. Unsure if his given shikona is best style instead of just Terunofuji. 2600:1700:1E0:1860:4584:93A8:815B:B0F1 (talk) 01:06, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support When Ready, preferably the shortest blurb (with "pictured" added), top of his field. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:35, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Promotion is official now [3] and article appears to be ready. --LukeSurl t c 07:36, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose many more sources needed, particularly in the first half of the article. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:05, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
There are 50+ sources in the article. You want the article to also be an FA first before it gets posted as an ITNR? /s 2601:602:9200:1310:B112:B2E9:BC7A:3E88 (talk) 09:43, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
There are also whole paragraphs, and multiple other sentences with no sources. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:46, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support This is monumental news in Sumo, comparable to World Cup winner in football. It is even more notable since Teranofuji was previously an ozeki (second highest rank), then got demoted to second lowest jonidan (basically, amateur level), and then climbed his way back to ozeki and now to yokozuna. Imagine if Rafael Nadal got demoted to playing amateur tennis on national level and then managed to claw back to being one of the best tennis players in the world. That's basically what happened here. Melmann 10:52, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Joseph's right, there are several sentences and even a paragraph currently without a ref. That's not FA quality, that's basic WP:V quality, which needs to be met. Event is ITNR, so notability is a given; until article is cleaned up there isn't much else to consider. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 11:57, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment I have added citations, please take another look.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:37, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support now that Pawnkingthree has fixed sourcing issues, thanks for that. Much more helpful than the snarly IP that clearly doesn't understand WP:V. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:23, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment I tagged a few sentences with Cn.—Bagumba (talk) 17:33, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
    @Bagumba: Dealt with.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 19:34, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Sourcing fixed, nice to see an uncommon "spontaneous" ITNR item posted.Jackattack1597 (talk) 20:46, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support. Thatcher/Mandela standard applies on this living yokuzuna, since achieving yokozuna is an extremely important accomplishment in the newsworthy world of sumo, it indicates top of field and is a longstanding tradition of a historical, hierarchical sport. DrewieStewie (talk) 20:57, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support thanks to cleanup by PK3. Marking ready. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 21:24, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted --PFHLai (talk) 00:00, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) Peruvian general election[edit]

Proposed image
Pedro Castillo
Article: 2021 Peruvian general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Pedro Castillo (pictured) is named president-elect of Peru following a contested presidential election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Pedro Castillo (pictured) is elected as president of Peru.
Alternative blurb II: Pedro Castillo (pictured) is declared the president-elect of Peru following the official declaration of the results of April's election.
Alternative blurb III: Pedro Castillo wins the Peruvian presidential election.
News source(s): RPP, EFE, The New York Times
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: A heavily contested election won by Castillo, a schoolteacher and complete political outsider. Castillo was finally declared president-elect today after nearly two months of unfounded fraud claims reviewed by Peruvian electoral bodies. He is to be inaugurated on 28 July 2021. WMrapids (talk) 01:08, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

  • Support Election article is in good enough shape for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 01:42, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support It's certainly taken a while, but it's now the article's time to shine. Great job by the editors diligently keeping it up to date. Favor alt 2; shorter and "contested" applies to most elections. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 05:03, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support This is the end of a very long, drawn out election. Basil the Bat Lord (talk) 06:17, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Posting. I think the short blurb will do. --Tone 08:32, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support, conclusion of a long presidential story. Yug (talk) 09:10, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
  • I've proposed a longer blurb that covers two things: 1) That Castillo is president-elect rather than president, 2) that the election was in April. The current blurb implies both that he is President and that the election just occurred. --LukeSurl t c 09:17, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
    • Technically, most presidents are presidents-elects until inauguration. But we post elections rather than inaugurations, the latter is just a formality. Brandmeistertalk 10:56, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Post-support for alt blurb II, it's important to tell the reader why the results took months to be announced. --NoonIcarus (talk) 15:12, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Post posting support for alt blurb II the delay in counting and publishing the final results is not just a "formal matter", it is significant and has had some international coverage. So this, as NoonIcarus says, should be explained to readers. Also, why is the published photo different from the nomination photo? _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 15:27, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
  • The nominated photo is the subject of a deletion discussion on Commons. -LukeSurl t c 15:33, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Post-posting support Finally this is settled! Most of the RS mention the fact that this has come six weeks after the runoff election, so I think our blurb should too. Davey2116 (talk) 16:09, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Updating to altblurb II, I like it better than the original one. --Tone 17:06, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment - Shouldn't it be "June's Election" instead of April, considering the second round was held at that time? Kobalt22 (talk) 19:34, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
    Second rounds are not ITN/R though. Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:34, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Revert to original blurb. There's no need to complicate it that way. He was elected, the results are in, that's it. We have a standard format for election blurbs, and it should be stuck to.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:51, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Simplify to ALT III In the 2020 U.S. elections, we simply stated that Biden "wins the United States presidential election ..."[4] For example, The Washington Post headline is "Pedro Castillo finally declared winner of Peru’s presidential election".[5]Bagumba (talk) 11:56, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment There's also discussion about the current longer blurb at WP:ERRORS.—Bagumba (talk) 12:03, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • ALT3 Posted --PFHLai (talk) 12:05, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

July 19[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology

Sports


RD: Abel Ramírez Águilar[edit]

Article: Abel Ramírez Águilar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El Universal
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Mexican sculptor. Article seems ready. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 21:43, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment: Long enough. I had to AGF all those non-English refs. Formatting looks alright, except Ref. #1 (and I ain't sure if it's used in the best spot). Otherwise, this nom is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 08:11, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

RD: Chuck E. Weiss[edit]

Article: Chuck E. Weiss (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Los Angeles Times; Variety; Deadline Hollywood
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 19:26, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

  • Long enough. Refs seem adequate and formatted properly. No glaring problems. This nom looks READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 22:10, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

RD: Kurt Westergaard[edit]

Article: Kurt Westergaard (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CTV, France 24
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: This was the Dane who drew controversial Muhammad caricature in 2005. His wikibio seems to be in reasonably good shape. --PFHLai (talk) 00:23, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

  • Weak support Line He took issue with the way Danish people have judged his intentions, telling Canadian blogger Jonathan Kay that he was been shunned by many of his former friends: "One of my old friends from the left, he said last year to me 'There are many who say that if something happens to [you], you were asking for it' — that it would be my own fault. is unsourced, but in general the article is ready. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 09:30, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
    • A new footnote is now in place for that quote. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 12:41, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support since he was the centre of a big controversy and article is passable, but he died on 14 July, no? Yakikaki (talk) 16:49, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Yes, the date of death was indeed the 14th, but the news came out on the 19th (please see news sources above). --PFHLai (talk) 19:05, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) Pegasus: Spyware Project Pegasus (investigation)[edit]

Article: Project Pegasus (investigation) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​Several heads of state, human rights activists, journalists and lawyers around the world have been targeted with phone malware sold to governments by a private surveillance firm. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​A consortium of investigative journalists alleges that multiple nation-states have deployed cyberweapons against several heads of state, journalists, human rights activists, political opponents and dissidents.
Alternative blurb II: ​Investigative journalists at Project Pegasus report that multiple governments have used cyberweapons against heads of state, journalists, human rights activists, political opponents and dissidents.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: In the news! Sherenk1 (talk) 11:31, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

  • Oppose Governments have been purchasing phone malware to support their own intelligence services for decades.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:49, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support ... but they haven't been caught doing it, let alone with a list of the politicians, journalists and activists that have been targeted and by whom ... incredibly embarrassing for a number of governments. I note the Indian government has been identified today. Black Kite (talk) 13:18, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • This is a relatively minor thing compared to the disclosures made by Assange and Snowden, which clearly indicate that similar software was used on a large scale before, so this is definitely not the first instance of someone being caught.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:44, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • There is a difference between Snowden "The 5 leading democracy spy on the World officially for terrorists-fighting" and this "For profit company sells effective spyware to 20 dictatorial countries with proven crack down on journalist and civil rights activists". It's a step further. Also qualified as the surveillance revelation for the decade (here), and style aside, likely the revelation of the past 4~5 years. 17 news agency collaborated to dig into this story and make synchronous publications. Yug (talk) 14:17, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • I don't buy the stereotype that 'democratic' governments spy to fight against terrorism and 'authoritarian' to oppress people. All governments use intelligence for the same reason, that is, to provide security and prevent instability. Also, there don't seem to be immediate consequencies like arrests, bans and international sanctions that we usually expect to have in order to measure impact.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 16:31, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • I don't buy it either. But there, the tool escape government's hold, it's on the market. Second, the reach of violations seems to have enlarged : Snowden shown that US agencies operatives could read everyone's sexy messages, here it is proven that several 10+ governments are phishing on journalists, activists, opposition politicians for democratic repression and political gains. The way the technology is acquired, and the countries involves seems enough to consider this leak ITN worthy. Yug (talk) 18:16, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support 17 news agencies collaborating for an investigation and coordinating for a synchroneous international coverages. They announce a centralized, industrial, international scale abuse of surveillance toward law-abiding activists and journalists by multiple semi-autoritarian or autoritarian governments, followed by judicial harassment or occasional killings (Khashoggi, Cecilio Pineda Birto). Worth noting. Yug (talk) 13:21, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose There is nothing about these cybersecurity exploits and breaches that raise them above others. See what Kiril says above. It would look weird to single out this controversy for coverage. Jehochman Talk 13:37, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
    Moreover, the target article is still in bad shape and is not ready for the home page. Jehochman Talk 02:16, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose There's also uncertainty if the firm claimed (NGO Group) is really behind it or not, so this would be inappropriately accusational. This is a media evaluation and best that I've seen, not one that has yet involved cybersecurity experts. simply they found several numbers belongs to activists and journalists that were on a leaked list of phones claimed to be under surveillence, but seem to offer no further proof of that. --Masem (t) 13:46, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment: @Masem: Investigation in collaboration with the Toronto Citizen's lab, specialized in this field. The NSO responses have not been to claim it's not them, but that the journalists' claims are exagerated. If NSO don't contradict the claim, should we ? Yug (talk) 14:24, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Fair enough about the Citizen's Lab backing, but I would still argue that because we're talking the media that are very sensitive to events that directly affect them, they may have a valid concern that a certain type of spyware has targetted their members and confirmed through Citizen's Lab, but whether NGO (which states they actively work to block malicious uses) purposely did this or not is far too early and not something that we can treat as a fact if it is only the media making the accusation. If it were, say, the US Department of Justice or equivalent national organization that made the call that has authority to prosecute towards this, that would be different. I am not saying that the media is fishing in a barrel here, I'm sure they have sufficient evidence, but we should avoid this type of conclusion in Wikivoice until validated by appropriate authorities. --Masem (t) 14:35, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • @Masem: To be honest I think the article haven't document the methodology yet. So i searched a little and found this : "The Citizen Lab at the University of Toronto has independently peer-reviewed a draft of the forensic methodology outlined in this report. Their review can be found here."[1]. We need to document this more within the article, but this transparent methodology, peer reviewed by a world recognized team, and not contradicted by the accusee (NSO Group) together meet a very solid standard of verifiability. I will add that to the article. Yug (talk) 14:41, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • That the collective group of media sources in collaboration with this lab found spyware on specific members of their group is something we can factually say. That this was purposely tied to specific journalists and activities in specific areas and used by some gov'ts to take action against them is a claim that can be said attributed to the media group. That the NGO Group is intentionally doing this is also a claim that must be said with attribution to the media here. But there's no formal criminal or other court-of-law charges here yet or any conviction towards NGO, and the media are not the authority to that end. Hence we have to be very careful in presenting NGO as the entity intentionally behind the entire "plot" that the media describes. I am sure they have evidence that points that way, but media is not law enforcement and wikivoice has to be very careful around that. That's why I think at this stage this is too early to post because its basically a media accusation against a company and not a point of arrest or conviction. --Masem (t) 14:47, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • So your point is the lack of material outcome such as an arrest or judgment, I see. Note: Snowden commented on this Pegasus Project here and here. Yug (talk) 15:58, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Pretty much yes : ITN does not run stories that include such major allegations against any individual or entity unless it is a result of an official law enforcement action, typically the conviction or verdict against the person/entity. (Rare cases we will document the arrest of a major world leader). I have no doubt that the media have found the PEgasus spyware on phones and found a pattern about who was targetted by it, but that's accusation that we cannot report factually yet. --Masem (t) 16:23, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment - "The allegations here are not new. What is new is the scale of the targeting of innocent people that's allegedly taking place. Nearly 200 reporters from 21 countries have their phone numbers on this list, and more names of high-profile public figures are expected to be revealed." From BBC article Sherenk1 (talk) 14:23, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Scale, diversity of clients of this private firm, journalists/activists being primary target makes the disclosure noteworthy if not unprecedented. Credibility of leaked data is supported by forensic analysis of small number of devices belonging to people whose numbers are on list.  Ohsin  14:48, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support on significance (especially since this is an expose of something that has been going on for a while), Oppose on quality - holy cow, yesterday I thought this was some minor thing that only affected India but now this is easily a major story since it: a) took multiple news companies from different countries to expose it b) affects political dissidents in many countries (both democratic and non-democratic). Oh, and please replace "Rights" with "Human Rights" in the proposed blurb. 45.251.33.254 (talk) 15:11, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
PS - Would it be appropriate to name any countries in particular here? I don't think so but I'm curious since WaPo and BBC did one article each focusing on the spyware's impact in India. 45.251.33.254 (talk) 15:46, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Basically, illiberal democracies or authoritarian regimes as long as they are Western-friendly (UAE, Saudi, Azer, Mexico, Marocco, India BJP).
    I also think the article's quality is not sufficient as of now, but it will be polished in coming 24~48h, while this vote goes. Yug (talk) 16:02, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support This seems to have targeted actors that are both in the "west" and "outside". Albertaont (talk) 15:37, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Very widespread and reported on by a large multitude of news outlets means this is notable news. Azrakjo (talk) 16:30, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Article still needs thorough copyediting. Though I don't think "possible danger of violating WP:NPOV in the future" is a pertinent disclaimer; LOL at the idea of warning editors and readers that "in the future this article might be bad". AllegedlyHuman (talk) 17:54, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • We are working on that, yes. Yug (talk) 07:02, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Right, and I'll support when you're done. That's how this works. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 18:22, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support on notability but the articles need some improvement first. Just skimming through them I found some poorly written sentences, but it hopefully shouldn't take too long to get the article ready. I would prefer that the word malware in the proposed blurb links to Pegasus (spyware) if posted.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 02:03, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment Blurb is atrocious. Needs fix. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 05:06, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support I think what makes this case rise above the resit is that we have reason to believe that generally off limit targets like human rights advocates, journalists and political opponents were targeted. If this was the case of latest geopolitical grandstanding among the usual suspects, it'd be a non-story, but the fact that Jamal Khashoggi or Rahul Gandhi were targeted, is significant. BUT, I agree that the blurb has to be rewritten, and the quality could be better. Melmann 07:59, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
Those who support could work on the article and also suggest a blurb that explains why this event is unprecedented. Every few weeks there’s another major hack. What’s different here? Jehochman Talk 09:14, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
The blurb could be flipped into "Over 10 governments are revealed to use private anti-crime zero-click spyware to gain full access on phones of opposition politicians, journalists and others.". This is more on what the abusers do. If you are an English native, please feel free to pick this blurd up and improve. Yug (talk) 09:55, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
That's too technical. Maybe "An investigation by various news companies reveals that authoritarian governments in over 10 countries have used Pegasus spyware against political dissidents" would do but that's also a bit long and wonky. "Political dissidents" may be enough to refer to all of those being spied on since most targets are politically opposed to their governments. TubeOfLightTalk 12:52, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
Dissident is elegant, yes, i like it. But the scope is larger and don't fits, espectially with today revealation on Head of States. I suggest the following.
"Human rights activists, journalists, lawyers and head of States around the world have been targeted with phone malware sold to governments by a private surveillance firm." Note: I'am not an English native. Yug (talk) 17:28, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
Heads of States

According to Die Zeit's analysis, over a dozen head of States have been targeted, implying possible full access to their mobile phones thanks to NSO's Pegasus spyware :

Confirmed by Washington Post (source). Yug (talk) 16:51, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
Help needed: There is lot of significant content coming out. Please consider contributing to this topic by following one single news provider on that matter, list of portals here: Talk:Project_Pegasus_revelations#Portals_to_monitor. Yug (talk) 17:33, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Comment Altblurb added. Melmann 19:00, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

  • Please remove all this detail to the article talk page. We’re going to have months of revelations. For ITN we are looking for a significant event. The discovery that countries are spying on each other is mundane. Apple just released patches. By sure to upgrade iOS as soon as you can. Jehochman Talk 09:14, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
    Upon reflection, the scope of this involving so many prime ministers makes the event exceptional. Jehochman Talk 15:18, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support pending resolution of the article name. There is a move discussion ongoing that will hopefully resolve soon. The fact that all these heads of states have been named makes this investigation sufficiently notable for ITN. Jehochman Talk 12:56, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Marking ready, and recommend altblurb2. Jehochman Talk 15:17, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment: There is an orange tag at Project Pegasus (investigation)#Analysis that may need to be addressed? Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 17:53, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
    Because this is an event that will likely go on for many days (months?), I think it's fair to push this out to ITN before the analysis section is ready. More analysis will come in the following days. Azrakjo (talk) 22:04, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
    Then should there be an "Analysis" section at this time? Perhaps that single sentence there now can be moved? --PFHLai (talk) 22:52, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment: The orange tag is no longer in the article. Citations still missing in the final paragraph in the "Findings" section and for Israel's reactions. --PFHLai (talk) 16:47, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support because of notability, international cooperation amongst multiple media houses and the implications of the list for multiple countries. --ShellPandey (talk) 08:25, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: David Snell[edit]

Article: David Snell (golfer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [6]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: English professional golfer who won the 1959 News of the World Match Play, the British professional matchplay championship. Nigej (talk) 10:13, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

  • Support good enough for RD. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:06, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted --PFHLai (talk) 05:03, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

July 18[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

  • OPEC+ members, particularly Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, reach an agreement to increase oil production, ending disputes that caused prices to reach their highest level since 2014. Per the terms of the agreement, Russia will increase its production from 11 million barrels to 11.5 million by May 2022, while the other members will increase their production by 400,000 barrels per day starting in August. (RFEL)

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment


(Posted) RD: John Woodcock (cricket writer)[edit]

Article: John Woodcock (cricket writer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian; The Daily Telegraph; The Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 23:46, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

  • Support looks good enough for RD, dates of birth and death are sourced by [7]. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:56, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted --PFHLai (talk) 13:23, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Open Championship[edit]

Article: 2021 Open Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​In golf, Collin Morikawa wins the Open Championship. (Post)
News source(s): ESPN BBC
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: The Open Championship is listed on ITNR. 2021_Open_Championship#Final_round contains a referenced, four-paragraphed summary of the final round. (My apologies if I missed an editor who updated the article.) -- Calidum 00:39, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

  • Support round summaries look good enough to summarise the event. And rest of the article looks okay. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:17, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Weak support. The prose summaries of each round are good to go, it's refreshing to see those in place by the time of nomination. The 'field' section is overly long (approaching WP:PROPORTION territory) and poorly referenced; if that is removed or split to a separate article you can consider this a full support. Modest Genius talk 17:57, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Marking as ready so this doesn't languish any longer. -- Calidum 17:59, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose There are still unsourced lines, paragraphs and an entire section. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 18:20, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

(Closed) Ongoing: Cuban protests[edit]

Consensus is that they're not ongoing. Stephen 00:33, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: 2021 Cuban protests (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN, Guardian, WaPo
Credits:
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Article recently rolled off Main Page; event is still ongoing. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 20:19, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support per nom.  – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 21:11, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support There still appears to be protests that are in favor of the demonstrators that are still occuring primarily in the United States.  – Skim (talk • contribs) 21:27, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose the last update about protests in the article is on the 12th. On the 14th some cell phone footage of a police raid is not a protest. On the 17th a pro-government demonstration is not a protest. "Solidarity" protests in Miami are LOL since those people already fled Cuba and have precisely ZERO effect on their former homeland. In short, there is not a "continuously updated Wikipedia article about a story which is itself also frequently in the news" as stipulated by the requirements Wikipedia:In_the_news#Ongoing_section --LaserLegs (talk) 22:34, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Per nom, and IMO a counter-protest is still a protest.Jackattack1597 (talk) 22:42, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose A pro-government or pro-protestor rally is a pro-government or pro-protestor rally, no sort of protest, and Florida is Florida (no matter how many Cubans move in). InedibleHulk (talk) 22:59, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
    To me at least, the distinction between "rally" and "protest" seems negligible. YMMV. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 02:55, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
    Rallies are like voting Support (happy, proud, "in", collegiate, loyal). Protests are pretty much tied to Oppose (sad, disgusted, "out", rowdy, primal). I guess demonstrations are neutral, at least till you get there and listen up on what everyone wants and when. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:09, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment I think a more neutral phrase should be used which includes supporting and opposing actions.--Seyyed(t-c) 09:32, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Protests are still ongoing and globally politically relevant. Leavechelseaalone (talk) 13:09, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose No blurb has been proposed. Also has died down from last week, was blurb-worthy previously. Albertaont (talk) 13:37, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
    • This is a nomination for ongoing, not a blurb discussion. Wizardoftheyear (talk) 17:52, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
      • I understand, ongoing is usually after a blurb, we rarely if ever go straight to ongoing. Albertaont (talk) 18:12, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
        • Albertaont, I think you misunderstand. 2021 Cuban protests was already blurbed and featured on the Main Page. Hope this helps. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 21:41, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
          • My mistake, you are correct, thanks for the correction. I struck that from the oppose and just oppose for notability. Albertaont (talk) 00:22, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose It's not clear whether protests are still ongoing, it's been a week since any news of anti-government protests. No need to keep it up if the protests were short-lived and are now finished. BeŻet (talk) 18:18, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(Posted) 2021 Tour de France[edit]

Proposed image
Article: 2021 Tour de France (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​In cycling, Tadej Pogačar wins the Tour de France. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​In cycling, Tadej Pogačar wins the Tour de France for the second time
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: The main article is brief but contains the essentials. There are two stage articles where there is a detailed stage-by-stage summaries, so the Tour is well covered overall. Tone 17:53, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment The article still needs a race overview with information extracted from the detailed stage-by-stage summaries as it is the case with the 2019 edition. As for the race, I am a Roglič fan who acknowledges that this was one of the most dominant victories in Tour's modern history.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:42, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
    • I think that the recent introduction additions (2nd paragraph) cover the main details of the overall race, thus meeting the requirements for the prose summary. The 2019 is pretty much a GA candidate already. And yes, too bad Roglič crashed out early, imagine the mountain stages with him intact! Looking forward for the Olympics race. --Tone 08:17, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
      • It's not appropriate for all the prose to be in the lead, with none in the body. The lead is supposed to be a summary of the article, not the main content of it. Modest Genius talk 18:17, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose insufficient prose synopsis of the race. The body of the article contains only tables about the actual race. If that is fixed, this can be main-page ready. --Jayron32 16:13, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Not ready per Jayron. There's more text in the 'pre-race favourites' section than the rest of the article combined. The body has no prose at all on what happened during the race, just data tables. Modest Genius talk 18:17, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose there needs to be some sort of race summary in the body of the article. I know it's covered in the separate stage 1 to 11 and 12 to 21 articles, but there needs to be a summary of that information on the 2021 Tour de France page. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:59, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Ready article seems appropriately updated for ITN/R. 2601:602:9200:1310:B112:B2E9:BC7A:3E88 (talk) 09:23, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Pretty sure an IP with one other edit shouldn't be unilaterally declaring this ready... Joseph2302 (talk) 09:48, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support now that there has been a great improvement to Simonellatyphi23 to add a comprehensive race summary to the article. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:48, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support A lot of work has been done to improve it, so it's ready. I add the image of the main character. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 10:17, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted --PFHLai (talk) 11:10, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Philip Sherry[edit]

Article: Philip Sherry (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Newshub.co.nz
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: new article, but fully referenced and covers his life and achievements MurielMary (talk) 12:15, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment – Presumably the nominator wishes to target Philip Sherry article. – Sca (talk) 12:56, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support - start class new article, well referenced, suitable for RD JW 1961 Talk 19:56, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Share and "Sherry Like" I worked hard for that pun, and regardless of anyone's feelings there, the article makes perfect sense and we know it does, so "hit the ice" and "drop it". InedibleHulk (talk) 23:34, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted --PFHLai (talk) 01:05, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

RD: Mumtaz Bhutto[edit]

Article: Mumtaz Bhutto (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Geo,The News Int and DAWN
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Ainty Painty (talk) 11:36, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

  • Oppose - Several missing refs and cn tags.--SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 00:59, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

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(NEW) RD: Pilar Bardem[edit]

Article: Pilar Bardem (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): La Vanguardia
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Spanish awarded actress. The "Career" section needs expansion, so I will work on it. The rest of the article is in good condition. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 20:34, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

(Closed) Hong Kong University Students' Union investigation[edit]

No consensus to post. Stephen 00:28, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: Hong Kong University Students' Union (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​2021 appreciation of police assailant and derecognition by the university (Post)
News source(s): South China Morning Post
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: After retracting and apologizing over the controversial "appreciating the police assailant" motion, the Hong Kong government shows strong determination to investigate the students' union committee members on ground of possible violation of the national security law. Even though without making any apprehension yet, the committee members are told not to flee Hong Kong or face interception. The school council's derecognizing the students' union is also followed suit by other local universities, leaving an ever more uncertain future of all university students' union in Hong Kong, as virtually all students' union committees in Hong Kong are very critical of the Chinese government and played certain major roles in the mass pro-democracy protests in recent years. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk · contri.) 04:22, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Please correct me if I'm misunderstanding – but has an investigation actually concluded, or even began? In any case the article has not been updated regarding an investigation or any arrests, needs some major prose copyediting, and has several unsourced sections. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 05:50, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose the article needs serious improvement, and massive improvement in sourcing. And I'm not seeing how a university no longer recognising its student union is ITN worthy- it seems like a local issue to one university. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:51, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose We can't really do much with this. This is not a linchpin moment the same way that the Tiananmen Square incident was.--WaltCip-(talk) 13:39, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose. 'Shows strong determination' to investigate something is not a major news story. Nor is a single university arguing with its student union. We posted the Apple Daily closure, this is all part of the same crackdown on free speech in Hong Kong. Modest Genius talk 18:20, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose – Article, written in somewhat stilted English, lacks continuity. It's not immediately clear whether the govt. has in fact suppressed and outlawed the organization. Further, this seems just another in a long series of repressive events in HK. Scant coverage. – Sca (talk) 22:15, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: David Randall[edit]

Article: David Randall (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Independent; The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Only reported today (July 17); died earlier this week. —Bloom6132 (talk) 16:27, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

  • Support Short article but has references in all the right places, suitable for RD JW 1961 Talk 20:02, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support per above. Despite being a start-class article, it's fully sourced, and it's enough for a RD.--SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 01:00, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Looks good to go. Hanamanteo (talk) 07:04, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose The article is inconsistent on his death date. The lead sentence says July 2021, the infobox has 11 July 2021, and the body says "He died during the week of 11–17 July 2021". I'm note sure what is a the WP convention when cited sourced don't mention a specific date, but the article should at least be consistent.—Bagumba (talk) 08:07, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • @Bagumba: fixed. —Bloom6132 (talk) 08:52, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
    OK, I put a note in the talk page with the relevant Independent text supporting the date range in the body, as the source is behind a paywall.—Bagumba (talk) 09:33, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
    Sidenote: The Independent doesn't seem to be behind a paywall? Sometimes it asks you to register to read an article, but you can just click "I'll Try Later" and it shows you the whole article without any registration/payment required (at least in the UK), Joseph2302 (talk) 09:55, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
    @Joseph2302: Same here in Canada. But it's always good to err on the side of caution in case the article gets placed behind a paywall in the future. —Bloom6132 (talk) 09:59, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
    @Joseph2302 and Bloom6132: Go figure. It seems OK now. Sometimes sites allow free access for a few days and then restrict. Other times, its a limited quota.—Bagumba (talk) 12:35, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: George Curtis[edit]

Article: George Curtis (footballer, born 1939) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sky Sports,
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Legend of Coventry City F.C., both for his time as a player and as the joint manager on our greatest day in the 1987 FA Cup Final. Article is stubby at present but I'll aim to expand it today.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:36, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Amakuru, only one missing ref. I think it's easy to fix. SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 01:02, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment - I've expanded this quite considerably since yesterday, adding quite a lot of detail about his career, so I think it might be about ready now. @SirEdimon: I ended up removing the thing about him returning to Aylesham with the FA Cup trophy, as I couldn't find a cite for it and it didn't seem like a major deal anyway. If you have a source and want it back, let me know.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:41, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support good to go. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 12:59, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted. Black Kite (talk) 13:20, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Dolores Claman[edit]

Article: Dolores Claman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC,
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Composer of Canada's unofficial second national anthem, the Hockey Night in Canada theme song. (That probably sounds like a joke to non-Canadians, but it isn't a joke; it's in her obit.) Also composed the province of Ontario's unofficial anthem. Article was already in decent shape before her death, and has been updated; should meet RD requirements. Death announced on this date. NorthernFalcon (talk) 05:12, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

  • Support – article is well-referenced; now meets minimum depth of coverage for ITN after my edits. —Bloom6132 (talk) 05:17, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support suitable for RD JW 1961 Talk 09:40, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support - Ready for RD.BabbaQ (talk) 10:22, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Support article is well written and referenced. TapticInfo (talk) 11:55, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted --PFHLai (talk) 13:11, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Christoph Strasser becomes the first person to cycle more than 1000 km in 24 hours[edit]

Article: Christoph Strasser (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Christoph Strasser becomes the first person to cycle more than 1000 km in 24 hours (Post)
News source(s): ORF
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Need to check if this record is more general, it could be that no person has ever traveled more than 1000 km in 24 hours using any unassisted method (no forms of mechanical or natural propulsion such as engines or wind allowed) before. Count Iblis (talk) 04:46, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment That is one of the worst articles I have ever seen. It's not getting posted in this state. Mlb96 (talk) 07:59, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Yes, it does need a "bit of work". He must get very tired, though. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:58, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
  • The article is now slightly better. Still not even close to main page standards, though. Mlb96 (talk) 18:14, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose on quality article needs massive sourcing improvement. Also, it's not clear from the article who's actually ratifying that this is a record (Guiness World Records, UCI)? Joseph2302 (talk) 08:09, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose on quality, also, this seems a rather niche record. --Tone 08:14, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
    • Most racing sports track a 24-hour distance record. Admittedly, some are better-known than others. --Carnildo (talk) 08:39, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
      • True. What I wanted to say is that ITN typically posts only the most "famous" records, such as the 100m and marathon, as well as breaking of the athletics records that have stood for a long time. With the Olympics just a week ahead, all sorts of records are bound to be broken. As for cycling, we have the Tour de France concluding today, which is ITNR. --Tone 09:05, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose on quality Article is just not good enough for the main page.
  • Oppose Quality of Article is not good enough. If an Infobox and better structure is implemented, I would support the article. TapticInfo (talk) 11:52, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
  • I see that you already put in a lot of work, I'll see what I can do. Count Iblis (talk) 09:14, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose – Micro-niche sports footnote. Sca (talk) 12:59, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Most ardent oppose in every way, but especially because we barely post records in established disciplines, let alone first timed go at [arbitrary distance] in [arbitrary time]. Not to mention the lack of any news coverage - the source seems to be a personal/industry record page, and a google of his name doesn't even bring up the Wikipedia article. Great. Personally, having being to the German article and seen the quality of sources there, I'd actually AfD this bio: entirely SPS or PASSINGMENTION for the few legit sources, most still unsourced self-promo. Nothing about this is getting to MP. Kingsif (talk) 13:42, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Shucks. So my efforts at improvements, whether this gets to Main page or not, have been a complete waste of time. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:56, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Slightly cheating as he ran inside an X of teammates, who rotated and didn't run the whole distance (obviously), and followed a laser grid going exactly half marathon an hour, lased from a shield car, so not the official marathon record, still extremely hard to do (the first attempt with a top of the field marathoner in a box of mates behind a laser car with a clock on the back failed, at 2 hours 0 minutes 25 seconds) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:11, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
I'd suggest it failed at 2 hours. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:35, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
Pretty sure the laser reached an insurmountable lead before 2 hours. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:39, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Be all of that as it may, it was still the first sub-2 hour running of a marathon distance, which we (rightfully, IMO, without comment for this submission) posted.  – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 16:43, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
  • 2 hours is the holy grail of distance running records, twice is fine. Betcha there'd be fewer supports from cricket nations though if someone breaks the no dope homer (non-bouncing boundary) record (61) but not official (73, held by that ex-slim man who looked like a bodybuilder in his 40s (before mandatory drug testing). Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 18:27, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Conventional bicycles are poor for such records because they have too much drag. With better aerodynamics, the record was over 1200 km already – see List of cycling records#24 Hours record. Cycle races such as the Tour de France have lots of homologation rules to compel the use of the traditional inefficient design. For example, the UCI defines a bicycle as "a vehicle with two wheels of equal diameter". Hah! Andrew🐉(talk) 16:37, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
UCI records are more famous than absolute though, probably due to the fame of races like the tours and the Olympics. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 18:31, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
Oh, drat. I'm all for gay rights and all, but "homologation rules" sound a bit extreme. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:32, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
Looks cooler in Italian. i.e. gran turismo omologato Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:11, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
Il campione del mondo!Sca (talk) 22:23, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Titane wins Palme d'Or[edit]

Article: Titane (film) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​At the Cannes Film Festival, French-Belgian Titane wins the Palme d'Or. (Post)
News source(s): [9], [10]
Credits:
Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: It's Palme d'Or Grammar SWAT認字特警 (talk) 02:53, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

  • Oppose for now, barely more than a stub. Yes it's a new film, but surely there's more that can be said about it. And is it possible to add a plot paragraph? Joseph2302 (talk) 08:07, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose – per Joseph. Stubby 275-word article completely lacks plot/storyline description. – Sca (talk) 13:04, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
  • From what I gather, there wasn't much plot, if that's any help. Kingsif (talk) 13:45, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Not ready per Sca. Needs a plot summary and some proper reaction, not just the percentages from Metacritic etc. Modest Genius talk 18:23, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
It might be a titanic film, but we can't tell from the article. – Sca (talk) 22:19, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

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