Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates

This page provides a forum for editors to suggest items for inclusion on In the news (ITN), a protected template on the Main Page, as well as the forum for discussion of candidates. This is not the page to report errors in the ITN section on the Main Page—please go to the appropriate section at WP:ERRORS. Archives of past nominations can be found here.

This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. Under each daily section header below is the transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day (with a light green header). Each day's portal page is followed by a subsection for suggestions and discussion.

A blurb is a one sentence summary of the news story. An alternate suggestion for the blurb is called an altblurb, and any more suggestions get labelled alt1, alt2, etc. A blurb needs at least one target article, highlighted in bold; reviewers check the quality of that article and whether it is updated, and whether reliable sources demonstrate the significance of the event. Other articles can also be linked. The Ongoing line is for regularly updated articles which cover events that remain in the news over a longer period of time. RD stands for the "recent deaths" line, and can include any living thing whose death was recently announced. In some cases, recent deaths may need additional explanation as provided by a blurb; this is decided by consensus.

Anna Ushenina The Chess Olympiad concludes with Uzbekistan winning the open event and Ukraine winning the women's event (player Anna Ushenina pictured). Ayman al-Zawahiri, the leader of al-Qaeda, is killed by a U.S. drone strike in Kabul, Afghanistan. In association football, UEFA Women's Euro 2022 concludes with England defeating Germany in the final. In cycling, Annemiek van Vleuten wins the Tour de France Femmes. Ongoing: COVID-19 pandemic Russian invasion of Ukraine Recent deaths: Mario Fiorentini Miles Warren Daren Gilbert Zofia Posmysz Rudi Koertzen Eike Christian Hirsch view — page history — related changes — edit

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August 11

Portal:Current events/2022 August 11

August 11, 2022 (2022-08-11) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir Three soldiers are killed during an attack at a military base in Rajouri, Jammu and Kashmir, India. Two attackers are killed in the ensuing shootout. (Reuters) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in the Marshall Islands The Marshall Islands confirms its first death from COVID-19 in a patient in Majuro. (RNZ) Law and crime 2021–2022 inflation surge Sierra Leone declares a nationwide curfew amid anti-government protests that have left two policemen and one civilian dead. The West African country is experiencing record inflation. (Reuters) A 42-year-old man takes six or seven employees hostage at a bank in Beirut, Lebanon, demanding his savings and threatening to set himself on fire. Police officers, soldiers, and intelligence agents surround the building. (The Guardian) Politics and elections Occupied territories of Ukraine 2022 Russian-occupied Ukraine annexation referendums The Zaporizhzhia military-civilian administration began preparations for holding a referendum on the region's accession to Russia, and named the desired referendum date for September 11th (RBK), (TV Center).

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RD: Paul Green

Article: Paul Green (rugby league) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-11/rugby-league-star-paul-green-dies-aged-49-nrl-cowboys-queensland/101322768
Credits:

• Nominated by HiLo48 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Rugby League player and coach from Queensland, Australia. Died unexpectedly at the age of 49. HiLo48 (talk) 04:31, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

• Quite a few unsourced claims. Happy to support if these are fixed. Anarchyte (talk) 05:35, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

August 10

Portal:Current events/2022 August 10

August 10, 2022 (2022-08-10) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine Russian occupation of Zaporizhzhia Oblast Russian forces install air defence systems at the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant in Zaporizhzhia Oblast, Ukraine, according to the Russian-appointed Governor of Zaporizhzhia Yevhen Balytskyi. (MSN) A Russian missile strike in Nikopol Raion, Dnipropetrovsk Oblast, kills at least 13 civilians and injures 11 others. (The New York Times) Mexican Drug War Cartel gunmen in Mexico burn down dozens of stores and block streets with burning cars in the states of Jalisco and Guanajuato in response to arrests of cartel figures by the Federal Police. (AP) Business and economy COVID-19 recession Economic impact of the COVID-19 pandemic Domino's Pizza closes all of its stores in Italy after its franchise holder ePizza SpA files for bankruptcy. The American restaurant chain says that it was severely impacted by COVID-19 restrictions in the country. (BBC News) Disasters and accidents A house explodes in Evansville, Indiana, United States, killing at least three people and damaging at least 39 nearby houses. (CNN) Law and crime Anti-government protests occur in Sierra Leone, calling for the removal of President Julius Maada Bio. Both protestors and policemen are killed during clashes. (The Washington Post) Uzbekistan says that it will imprison any nationals who join Russia's war against Ukraine. (EuroWeekly News) Politics and elections 2022 Papua New Guinean general election James Marape is re-elected unopposed as Prime Minister by the Parliament after his party Pangu Pati won the general election in July. (The Guardian)

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RD: Lydia de Vega

Article: Lydia de Vega (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (Rappler)
Credits:

• Nominated by KTerPalmers (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: She was "considered Asia's fastest woman in the 1980s." I already missing citations in this article. KTerPalmers (talk) 04:41, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

• Support Everything seems to be sourced now. --Vacant0 (talk) 13:20, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
• Support seems good to go. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:25, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

James Marape elected Papuan PM

Article: 2022 Papua New Guinean general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​James Marape is reelected unopposed as Prime Minister by the parliament of Papua New Guinea after his party Pangu Pati won the general election that took place in July. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Government now formed and head of state (prime minister) chosen. Abcmaxx (talk) 22:44, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose There's no change in top executive (head of government this time) and the general election part's gone stale. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:29, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

  The first point is correct (the resign/reelection distinction is immaterial). It's difficult to say what the date of the general election results is when those results roll in over time. Given the party in the plurality currently has just 31% of seats and 16% are outstanding, I would say we still don't have full results. GreatCaesarsGhost 14:11, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

• Support Results have been clarified just now, i.e., not stale; the selection of PMs after elections is ITNR. Gotitbro (talk) 07:20, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

  Also, noting that re-elected is not correct for the blurb as Marape became the PM after the last one resigned. Besides that the article looks good to me. Gotitbro (talk) 07:24, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

• Support - article seems fine. As for "reelected," isn't the PM elected by the Papuan Parliament anyway? Sheila1988 (talk) 12:55, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
• Comment on quality There is a lack of prose in the preliminary results and the "Aftermath" section is too short. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:27, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

RD: Raymond Briggs

Article: Raymond Briggs (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by 2A00:23C7:2B86:9801:11F2:723B:CAC4:ABD9 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by PamD (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Not in bad condition, but there are a few unsupported statements in there that need citations. Although I'd love to see a blurb on him, I don't think he merits it, objectively speaking. 2A00:23C7:2B86:9801:11F2:723B:CAC4:ABD9 (talk) 08:24, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

I've been through adding refs this morning and I think it's OK (although another set of eyes doing a quick check to see I've not missed anything. I won't mark it as 'ready', but I think it probably is. 2A00:23C7:2B86:9801:11F2:723B:CAC4:ABD9 (talk) 09:12, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

• Support - article is of a decent condition and I agree that while RD is appropriate, a blurb is not. --IainHallam (talk) 21:31, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
• Support English illustrator and author Raymond Briggs dies of pneumonia in Brighton, aged 88. Supporting Photo RD, to be clear, mostly sourced. This is just for the sake of seeing a blurb on him somewhere. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:52, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

August 9

Portal:Current events/2022 August 9

August 9, 2022 (2022-08-09) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine 2022 Ukraine summer counteroffensive Multiple explosions are reported at a Russian military air base near Novofedorivka in western Crimea. At least one person is killed and six others are injured, according to Crimean authorities. (Reuters) (Sky News) Israeli–Palestinian conflict Ibrahim al-Nabulsi, local head of the al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, and two other people are killed during a raid by Israeli soldiers in Nablus. At least 40 others are injured. (BBC News) Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Four Pakistani soldiers are killed in a suicide bombing in Mir Ali, North Waziristan, Pakistan. (Reuters) Islamist insurgency in the Sahel Fifteen troops are killed when their vehicle hits a roadside bomb in Bam Province, Burkina Faso. (Reuters) Boko Haram insurgency Four civilians and a soldier are killed, and another civilian is wounded, during three separate attacks by Boko Haram gunmen in the Far North Region, Cameroon. (Xinhua) Business and economy 2022 Russia–European Union gas dispute Russia's Transneft says that Ukraine has suspended Russian oil flows through the Druzhba pipeline to the Czech Republic, Hungary and Slovakia after it was unable to pay transit fees to Ukraine's pipeline operator UkrTransNafta. The Czech Republic's pipeline company says it expects supplies through the pipeline to restart within several days. (Reuters) (Al Jazeera) Disasters and accidents 2022 South Korean floods Nine people are killed by flooding caused by record-breaking rainfall in Seoul, South Korea. (AP) Matanzas, Cuba oil factory explosion Firefighters in Cuba bring a catastrophic fire at an oil terminal in Matanzas under control after it burned out of control for five consecutive days, destroying 40% of the country's main fuel storage facility and causing widespread blackouts. (Reuters) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in the Marshall Islands The Marshall Islands confirm their first community transmission cases of COVID-19 in the capital Majuro. The government subsequently announces that the start of the school year will be delayed, and also suspends flights and boat travel to the country's outer islands. (RNZ) International relations Moldova–Russia relations Russia bans the import of agricultural products from Moldova from August 15 due to "repeated detection of dangerous quarantine objects in Moldovan products entering Russia". (Reuters) Politics and elections 2022 Kenyan general election Kenyans vote in a general election. (Daily Nation) Science and technology Discoveries of exoplanets Scientists say that they have discovered AS 209, a newborn Jupiter-sized exoplanet via the Atacama Large Millimeter Array telescope in Chile. (Space.com) Roscosmos launches the Iranian Space Agency's Earth observation satellite Khayyam from the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan. (Al Jazeera) Sports 44th Chess Olympiad The Chess Olympiad in Chennai, Tamil Nadu, India, concludes, with Uzbek chess grandmaster Nodirbek Abdusattorov winning the open event. (The Indian Express)

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(Posted) RD: Miles Warren

Article: Miles Warren (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Te Kāhui Whaihanga New Zealand Institute of Architects
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Schwede66 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Paora (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article has a couple of sections that need references but I see that a fellow architect has already started updating the article so it shouldn't be too far off. Schwede66 03:45, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Article should be good to go now. Schwede66 05:09, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

• Comment There is one cn tag remaining. Also, the "List of designs" section is mostly unsourced. --Vacant0 (talk) 12:27, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

  Unreferenced content has been deleted. List of designs is now fully sourced. Schwede66 00:11, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

• Good to go InedibleHulk (talk) 00:24, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 07:24, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Rudi Koertzen

Article: Rudi Koertzen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN Cricinfo
Credits:

• Nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
• Updated by PeeJay (talk · give credit) and Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Tragic news coming in from South Africa. Article requires some work on sourcing. I will get to it if no one gets to it before me. RIP. Ktin (talk) 20:56, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

• Support – article is well-referenced and meets minimum depth of coverage for ITN. —Bloom6132 (talk) 01:01, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
• Support Looks alright. --Vacant0 (talk) 12:24, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
• Support No issues. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:59, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 17:52, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Mario Fiorentini

Article: Mario Fiorentini (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by BeanieFan11 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Skycloud86 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The last and most decorated Italian resistance fighter in WWII. May need some cleanup. I translated the article from it.wiki. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:14, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

@BeanieFan11: I've added some cn tags, I think it will be easy to fix them. Otherwise the article looks good. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:09, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

@Alsoriano97: I think I've addressed all of the cn tags. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:43, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

yes, you have. Thanks! _-_Alsor (talk) 16:46, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

• Support article looks ready to go now. Good job. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:47, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 07:23, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) 44th Chess Olympiad

Article: 44th Chess Olympiad (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​The 44th Chess Olympiad concludes with Uzbekistan winning the open event and Ukraine winning the women's event. (Post)
News source(s): ChessBase, Deutsche Welle
Credits:

• Nominated by Davey2116 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Kiril Simeonovski (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: What a result! Davey2116 (talk) 14:44, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

• Support. What a tournament indeed! That the teams were that close to each other is agonizing. Congrats to the winning teams. Nice work on the article. Ktin (talk) 15:12, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
• Support I've completed the updates to all three articles. It should be good to go now.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 16:19, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
• Comment – Hadn't yet reached mainstream RS media as of 16:30. – Sca (talk) 16:31, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
• Support, This is an event that should come in ITN and the article is fine. Alex-h (talk) 16:55, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
• Support. ITNR event, results and prose summary are present in the article, which is suitably referenced. I'm working my way through it doing a thorough copyedit, but it's good enough to post now. Modest Genius ^talk 17:39, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
• Support per above. --Vacant0 (talk) 18:48, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
• Support good to go. _-_Alsor (talk) 18:52, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 00:57, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
• Comment It's obvious Wikipedia is posting a picture of a female player for SJW reasons. By any normal logic, it would make sense to post a player among the open winners (Uzbekistan), since that was the main tournament. 2001:569:57B2:4D00:4165:DC30:DD71:D119 (talk) 23:37, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

  A pic of a player from Uzbekistan was up there for 23 hours already. --PFHLai (talk) 00:52, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

  Can you offer suggestions on how to rotate the pictures, when we have a picture of only one of the men and all five of the women?—Bagumba (talk) 05:26, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

  It's fine to use all the images we have available, and refreshing to see a rotation. If there's a need to mix up the gender balance, we also have File:David Howell 2013.jpg, who won the top player award. Modest Genius ^talk 11:54, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

RD: Lamont Dozier

Article: Lamont Dozier (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Rawmustard (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The usual discography citation issues need to be fixed; no other issues I can see within the article's body. rawmustard (talk) 12:38, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

• Comment There are also a few uncited sentences. I'll change my vote to support once this gets fixed. --Vacant0 (talk) 13:19, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

RD: Issey Miyake

Article: Issey Miyake (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

• Nominated by Amakuru (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Died on 5 August but only announced today.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:47, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

• Comment article needs some work. I've added some cn tags, many of the sources are archived (which doesn't mean that the article is not of quality per se, but perhaps more current web pages can be found and used) and the "Issey Miyake lines and brands" section needs sources. _-_Alsor (talk) 18:57, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) Raid of Mar-a-Lago

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Raid of Mar-a-Lago (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​In the United States, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) raids Mar-a-Lago, one of the homes of former President Donald Trump (Post)
News source(s): https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/08/us/politics/trump-fbi-mar-a-lago.html
Credits:

• Nominated by Therapyisgood (talk · give credit)
• Created by Pennsylvania2 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Unheard of in the United States. Therapyisgood (talk) 02:09, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

• Wait -- it is indeed unheard of, and I for one am celebrating. However, I believe that we should wait for an actual indictment. It probably won't be very long now. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 03:07, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
• Weak oppose — It's not a huge story, and certainly a U.S. focused one, but it could lead to something bigger. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 03:32, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

• It's definitely a huge story here in the US, since this has never happened before. But agree, this isn't the thing to post ITN. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 03:44, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

• I'm aware of how large of a story it is in the U.S.—I live here—but ITN is a global thing. Certain things from the U.S. do transcend ITN's usual disdain for U.S. centric news, such as the most recent blurb in ITN right now and the Uvalde shooting from months ago, but this is not one of them. It's part of a larger story for sure, but globally this has no impact on even someone from Canada. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 04:10, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

• Perhaps surprisingly, this is the Number 2 story on Australia's national broadcaster right now, behind unsurprising, saturation coverage of Olivia Newton-John's life and death. See here. And we see very little about Trump in the news these days. HiLo48 (talk) 05:52, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
• Interesting thought experiment -- if a former Canadian Prime Minister were having his house raided, would we blurb it? I'm assuming not. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 06:41, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

We have no requirements for "global impact" at WP:ITN and a specific note above about opposing because a story only relates to a single country. How is it these arguments are able to persist? --LaserLegs (talk) 09:26, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose This is part of a possible larger story related to Trump, but this one event is not the type of news to feature on the front page. --Masem (t) 03:39, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
• Wait a few days until we know if there’s an imminent indictment or not. If there’s not, I’ll support as a raid on a former president’s residence is completely unprecedented in US politics, and certainly notable enough to overcome “America-centrism.” The Kip (talk) 04:20, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
• I don't think we're going to post anything short of an indictment of Trump. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:43, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose A very unusual event, but currently no evidence it will lead to anything more significant. If it does lead to anything, that event can instead be nominated for ITN. Lewis Hulbert (talk) 05:04, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Lewis Hulbert Just noting that this sort of thing is not done even with non-politicians unless the FBI/Department of Justice already has substantial evidence of a crime and knows what they will find when the warrant is executed. Twitter is full of lawyers saying they would advise clients who this happens to that charges are likely coming. 331dot (talk) 09:30, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose largely under the principle expressed by Muboshgu. This is part of a larger story. ITN consideration for any piece of this puzzle starts once this case is in court. This raid is just a highly-publicised fact-gathering mission. Not even sure there should be a published article on the raid yet - it's very possible nothing comes of it, and it would be more appropriate to publish such an article after more is known about said raid. DarkSide830 (talk) 05:51, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose until he is arrested/charged with a crime. This may be likely, but it must happen first. 331dot (talk) 09:28, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose article is at AfD and not overly notable.  Nixinova   T   C   09:32, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

  It's going to easily survive AFD --LaserLegs (talk) 09:35, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose Maybe if Trump is charged with something. Steelkamp (talk) 09:34, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
• Weak Support the use of federal troops to attack a former leader is unheard of in Western democracies but perhaps unsurprising given that the Mueller Investigation was a years long multi-million dollar attack on Donald Trump that ultimately came up empty handed. --LaserLegs (talk) 09:35, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per Steelkamp. Hype is nothing without substance. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:36, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
• Support. What is going on here with Trump is far more significant than Watergate. Indictment of Trump is not all that relevant. Qite a few former presidents/prime ministers have been prosecuted and jailed, that can happen for relatively minor legal issues. But Trump has been allowed by the GOP to be a Nixon on steroids and we're only now finding out many of the details of Trump's presidency. Count Iblis (talk) 10:32, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

WP:BLP applies, even to Trump. 331dot (talk) 10:55, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

• This is a huge story, but it does not make for encyclopedic content. The facts currently known are too minimal. GreatCaesarsGhost 11:14, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose a mere investigation. If Trump is arrested, charged or convicted of a crime, then we can reconsider. Police gathering evidence is not sufficient IMO. Compare to the recent Partygate investigation, which was nominated multiple times but never posted - even when Johnson was issued a fine. Modest Genius ^talk 11:24, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose a bit of a pile on but I agree, this is a part of a much bigger story. Post when Trump is arrested. Polyamorph (talk) 11:45, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

August 8

Portal:Current events/2022 August 8

August 8, 2022 (2022-08-08) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Insurgency in Northern Chad The government of Chad and more than 30 rebel and opposition factions sign a peace agreement at talks in Doha, Qatar. However, the main rebel group Front for Change and Concord in Chad rejects the agreement, saying that negotiators had not listened to their demands, which included the release of political prisoners. (Reuters) Business and economy Foreign aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian War The Pentagon announces that it will send Ukraine an additional $1 billion in military assistance, including tens of thousands more munitions and explosives, the largest such aid package to the country since the start of the invasion. (The Washington Post) International relations Russia–United States relations Russia suspends New START arms inspections of its nuclear weapons in response to travel restrictions imposed by the United States and its allies. (Reuters) Law and crime FBI search of Mar-a-Lago The Federal Bureau of Investigation executes a search warrant at Mar-a-Lago, the primary residence of former U.S. president Donald Trump, as part of a Justice Department investigation into Trump. (CNN)

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(Posted) RD: Daren Gilbert

Article: Daren Gilbert (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New Orleans Saints
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by BeanieFan11 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Death first reported on August 8. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:05, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

• Support Looks ready. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:06, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 22:49, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Herb Roedel

Article: Herb Roedel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): San Francisco Chronicle (via Legacy.com)
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by BeanieFan11 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Died on July 25, first reported today (August 8). BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:07, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

• Support – article is well-referenced and meets minimum depth of coverage for ITN. —Bloom6132 (talk) 01:54, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 07:18, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

RD: Bill Graham

Article: Bill Graham (Canadian politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Kaiser matias (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Canadian politician, served in government and was interim Leader of the Opposition. Article is in fairly good shape, but likely needs some additional citations, as some sections are missing cites. Kaiser matias (talk) 00:25, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

• The prose has 10+ {cn} tags. The Electoral history section is unsourced. The Honours section needs more footnotes. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 09:01, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Zofia Posmysz

Article: Zofia Posmysz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Independent, HuffPost
Credits:

• Nominated by Tractor Tyres (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit), Grimes2 (talk · give credit) and Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Tractor Tyres (talk) 22:06, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Resistance fighter in World War II, Holocaust survivor, who wrote an audio play about her experiences in Auschwitz, which was turned into a play and an opera. The article, created by Edison and written mostly by Poeticbent and myself, seems in reasonable shape. I believe we should receive credit, but don't know where to put it. I would have nominated tomorrow, after consulting more obits. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:19, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

• Support Article looks fine MyriadSims (talk) 22:54, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
• Support, although I think more sources should be added about the death to the article. AdrianHObradors (talk) 23:18, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

  I added the two English refs from above (both same AP text, different images), and added the one fact that was not yet in the article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:31, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

  Gerda Arendt, Thanks! AdrianHObradors (talk) 09:50, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

• Support I've added two more sources to verify three works that were uncited. Looks good now. --Vacant0 (talk) 13:25, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
• Support, Article is good. Alex-h (talk) 16:49, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
• Support article looks so good. _-_Alsor (talk) 18:58, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

  Agree. Interesting. -- Sca (talk) 12:56, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 17:53, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

(Needs attention) RD: Olivia Newton-John

Article: Olivia Newton-John (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP, BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by XxLuckyCxX (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Singer-songwriter & actress who has passed away due to breast cancer, perhaps best known for starring in the film adaptation of Grease. Please note there is no blurb for this nomination. I accidentally put RD/Blurb instead of just RD. XxLuckyCxX (talk) 19:25, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

The source is a verified FB, but it's not been picked up by any news outlets (yet). EvergreenFir (talk) 19:32, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

It's starting to get around. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:34, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Parade is (so far) the highest quality source to report it. EvergreenFir (talk) 19:42, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

BBC reporting just now, so that should start the chain reaction for want of a better word XxLuckyCxX (talk) 19:44, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

See also Cosmopolitan, CNN and The NY Post XxLuckyCxX (talk) 19:46, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

I was F5-ing BBC, so yes, that's solid for me. Article has some clean up needed though. EvergreenFir (talk) 19:47, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb regardless of the discussion on the talk page, she really had only a few roles that made her significant, and the article failures to capture why she should be considered the top of her field. Articke is in poor quality (filmography etc needs refs) --Masem (t) 20:03, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

  Didn't mean to put it as a blurb, that is only there as a comment XxLuckyCxX (talk) 20:13, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Oppose Blurb per Masem MyriadSims (talk) 20:11, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Support Blurb She had a career of almost 60 years with many famous roles and awards, I think that is blurb worthy. -- Maykii (talk) 20:12, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Going by previous similar nominations, it isn't. Pawnkingthree (talk) 20:17, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb She's more famous for her career than many other notable people. Do not confuse that with being so important or transformative that she deserves a death blurb. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:18, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
• Comment Added RS to nom.--Sunshineisles2 (talk) 20:19, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
• Not Ready for RD Significant gaps in referencing. Oppose Blurb A prominent figure in her profession to be sure but well below what we look for in a blurb. Note we did not blurb Kirk Douglas or Olivia de Havilland who were giants in the business. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:29, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

  To be fair, "the business" here is more music than movie, where she clearly left most Hollywood legends in the dust. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:48, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

• Support RD Looks good to me AdrianHObradors (talk) 23:16, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
• Support Blurb, Iconic — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:58B:4380:2540:0:0:0:40CC (talk) 01:17, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
• Support RD, article is in good shape Polyamorph (talk) 06:38, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
• Support blurb If that's what it takes to get the smirking terrorist of the front page. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 06:44, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

  There are better, easier ways (including forced replacement by a grinning Annemiek van Vleuten). InedibleHulk (talk) 13:15, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

  For the record, the smirking terrorist was naturally supplanted by a very somber Nodirbek Abdusattorov. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:32, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

  Who was swiftly uninstalled by Mariya Muzychuk, whose eyes betray a vague happiness the corners of her mouth dare not. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:45, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb Yes, she's on the upper end of famous, but I wouldn't say she's transformative in her field. Not ready for RD as there are uncited paragraphs and a one sentence paragraph in the lead. Steelkamp (talk) 09:38, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality, support RD with picture in theory when quality is improved. Haven't we done picture RDs before for this middle ground of popularity? -- a lad insane (channel two) 10:41, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
• Support RD ... when ready. Oppose blurb per Masem, Muboshgu. – Sca (talk) 13:14, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
• Strong Support RD You would have to be completely out of your mind to not include this in the RD list. This is just like the pathetic bickering around Meat Loaf's death, which never ended up being listed. Meanwhile, completely forgettable baseball players of decades past get listed with no issues. 173.240.190.3 (talk) 15:31, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Support 61.69.136.118 (talk) 14:01, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Support RD - Article is of a good standard and certainly noteworthy. Mark E (talk) 15:58, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

• Too many missing citations. Please fix. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.94.214.43 (talk) 15:59, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
• Conditional support RD once the quality of the article is improved. Oppose blurb per Masem and Mubosghu. _-_Alsor (talk) 18:49, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
• Support RD .... what really is the problem? SethWhales ^talk 21:57, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
• Support RD For the most relevant aspects (early life, career summary, death) the page is perfectly reasonable and referenced to standard; it's not a nomination over being marked for quality and, compared to other recent deaths, it's ludicrous how this article is being delayed, as if the main stumbling block was a lack of citation for some one-off session in the late-80s, despite everything else on the page. -- Bacon Noodles (talk • contribs • uploads) 22:27, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

• All the content must be sourced. There’s no debate. _-_Alsor (talk) 00:12, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
• There are four entire sections without citation. GreatCaesarsGhost 00:57, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

• Support RD Andre🚐 02:07, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose - Source the discography, please.--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 13:23, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose If all those who voted to support this article being posted had actually helped with sourcing it, it would be up by now.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:50, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
• Orange-tagging the article and adding new cn tags. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:13, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
• Support RD Never mind the 159 existing citations on this page, let's focus on the 28 missing ones and ignore the passing of this icon?? --Annihilannic (talk) 00:50, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

  The icon was not passed. She was listed on Deaths in 2022. To get on RD, please fix up the glaring problems. Twenty-eight? That's too many to ignore. --PFHLai (talk) 00:58, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

  And that's not counting where citations are needed on the three -ographies. Probably brings missing cites up to 50-75 range. Masem (t) 03:40, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

• Support RD There is no excuse for her RD listing to take this long. Nobody cares if the article has a couple minor issues. Just add the link to the ITN box and we can be done with this insufferable "debate".24.80.7.130 (talk) 03:18, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
• Support RD. Many of the "citation needed" tags seem to be for uncontentious issues, like her having seven hits in a row. BD2412 T 03:22, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
  • Having seven hits in a row is exactly a place I would fully expect a citation to make sure that WP editors aren't doing their own fancy mathematics to support that. --Masem (t) 03:39, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
    • The article lists the hits. BD2412 T 05:45, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

      But is not obvious that they were consecutive, even for a fan. —Bagumba (talk) 08:28, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

• Support RD. I'm surprised this hasn't been posted yet (3 days so far). She will be given a state funeral yet a few minor issues on the article is blocking adding a link to the ITN box. This is ridiculous bureaucracy. ~ Ablaze (talk) 08:31, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
• Stats Dame Olivia's article has had over 4 million readers so far this week and those are superstar numbers. For comparison, note that the 4 articles highlighted in our blurbs have only had a few thousand readers. Even the UEFA Women's Euro 2022 Final has only been averaging 1500 readers per day which is so low that it would look bad even at DYK. These numbers demonstrate that just about nobody is using the ITN blurbs to click through on our news selections. All this discussion therefore seems fruitless. And, looking at the actual top reads for yesterday, it's interesting to see hunger stone at #4. These provide a warning when the level is low: "Wenn du mich siehst, dann weine". A good analogy! Andrew🐉(talk) 09:08, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

  We're not a newspaper, we care zero about viewer counts. We are looking for quality, not quantity, because we are posting a highlighted link on the main page, so it better represent the best we can do for an article. That past editors on ONJ's page have been sloppy about sourcing until now is not ITNs concern. Masem (t) 12:31, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Support RD Just get it done already for God's sake! If she's not up by Monday then we shouldn't even post it at that point. MyriadSims (talk) 11:48, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

• Comment What you need to do is stop complaining because it's not published yet and start improving her article. Wikipedia is not a news portal, it's an encyclopedia, and the quality of the articles is fundamental. You can debate the rule that requires the quality of these to be included in MP, but this is certainly not the place. No matter how much you add other "Support RD", it will not be included as long as it remains orange-tagged and missing cn tags to be fixed. _-_Alsor (talk) 12:53, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

RD: Roger E. Mosley

Article: Roger E. Mosley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Magnum P.I. actor, who passed away in a tragic car crash aged 83. Article source to news of his death. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:08, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

• Nominator comment: Needs additional 2-3 citations in career section, filmography needs completing and referencing. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:13, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

RD: Leandro Lo

Article: Leandro Lo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Lewolka (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Assasinated Shot this morning, sucessful world Ju-Jitsu champion. Article source to news of his death. Given he was an all-time great in the sport needs much longer article at least regarding his career. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:18, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

• Wait the article right now is pretty bare bones, half of it is just his death. I'll say a bit more bio info is needed, then support, article looking much better now. AdrianHObradors (talk) 10:30, 8 August 2022 (UTC); edited on AdrianHObradors (talk) 08:42, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

  Wait until article is updated 88.230.3.245 (talk) 13:41, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

• Not Ready it is a stub at the moment, working on expanding it. Lewolka (talk) 12:16, 9 August 2022 (UTC); edited on Lewolka (talk) 10:39, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

• Comment I don't think "Assassinated" is quite the right verb here. Our own article says that's for "a head of state, head of government, politician, member of a royal family, or CEO", and I would even have my doubts about the final one in that list. HiLo48 (talk) 21:50, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Intentionally shot which would amount to murder although probably need to wait for the conclusion of the trial to assert. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:52, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

• Support I think it's ready now, I just added an image and I'm pretty much done with content, if anybody has any comments, @Abcmaxx @AdrianHObradors @HiLo48 I'm planning to nominate it for GA later as well. Thank you Lewolka (talk) 08:38, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

  Agree, ready to go AdrianHObradors (talk) 08:42, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

• Support seems good for me to go. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:29, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

August 7

Portal:Current events/2022 August 7

August 7, 2022 (2022-08-07) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Gaza–Israel conflict Operation Breaking Dawn Israel and the Islamic Jihad agree to a ceasefire agreement for the Gaza Strip. (CNN) Islamist insurgency in the Sahel Mali War Forty-two soldiers and four civilians are killed during an attack near the town of Tessit by Islamic State in the Greater Sahara gunmen. Twenty-two other soldiers are wounded, and 37 of the attackers are also killed. (Al Jazeera) Ituri conflict, 2021–2022 Democratic Republic of the Congo attacks Twenty people are killed when suspected Islamists attack two villages in Ituri, Democratic Republic of the Congo. (Reuters) Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Senior Pakistani Taliban militant Omar Khalid Khorasani and three other militants are killed as their vehicle hit a roadside bomb in Paktika Province, Afghanistan. (Al Jazeera) Politics and elections 2022 Colombian presidential election Gustavo Petro is inaugurated as the first left-wing president of Colombia. (The Globe and Mail)

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(Posted) RD: David McCullough

Article: David McCullough (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT (paywalled), PBS, AP, NPR, Reuters
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by KConWiki (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American historian. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 16:25, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

• Not Quite Ready Article is in relatively decent shape for a change. Just a few cites needed and the one section at the bottom needs a reference. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:24, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

  I found citations for the narration section; some of them were just episodes of shows already cited. There is one CN tag left for his audiobooks. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 22:59, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

I added a citation for the audiobook statement; Let me know if you think that that citation will work as it is or if we should break it up into several citations. KConWiki (talk) 00:44, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

• Request: Can anyone with any concerns about this article's readiness please post comments about what they feel still needs work? Thanks to everyone for all they do for WP. KConWiki (talk) 04:29, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
• Comment – Quite widely covered. – Sca (talk) 13:21, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
• Support Looks good now. --Vacant0 (talk) 13:27, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
• Support: This looks good as far as I can see. KConWiki (talk) 17:28, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
• Support looks good to me. _-_Alsor (talk) 19:05, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 23:52, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Eike Christian Hirsch

Article: Eike Christian Hirsch (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hannoversche Allgemeine
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German journalist and author Grimes2 (talk) 13:14, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

• signing up as updater, thank you for making it easy Grimes2! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:45, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
• Support It's short, but it meets the criteria. --Vacant0 (talk) 13:29, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
• Support good to go. _-_Alsor (talk) 19:04, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 08:34, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

August 6

Portal:Current events/2022 August 6

August 6, 2022 (2022-08-06) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Gaza–Israel conflict Operation Breaking Dawn Israel launches airstrikes for the second day in the Gaza Strip, killing 14 people and injuring several others. Nineteen Palestinian Islamic Jihad members are also arrested in the West Bank. (Al Jazeera) Disasters and accidents Twelve people are killed and 32 others are injured when a bus carrying pilgrims from Poland to Medjugorje, Bosnia and Herzegovina, crashes in Podvorec, Croatia. (BBC News) One person is killed and at least 121 others are injured after a lightning strike causes a fire near the supertanker port in Matanzas, Cuba. (Reuters) Four people are killed and eight others are injured when a bus travelling from Istanbul, Turkey, to Bucharest, Romania, crashes near Veliko Tarnovo, Bulgaria. (AP)

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(Closed) RD/Blurb: Archie Battersbee case

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Archie Battersbee case (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: 12-year-old Archie Battersbee dies when his life support is withdrawn following a protracted legal case in England (Post)
News source(s): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-62346354
Credits:

• Nominated by Pigsonthewing (talk · give credit)
• Created by Osarius (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Significant legal case; UN involvement; significant press coverage in UK & overseas Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:58, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

• Support Stub, but notable. Grimes2 (talk) 14:02, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb as unimportant. Oppose blurb or RD on quality grounds. In terms of a blurb, this is a human interest story hyped by British media, but objectively unimportant; lethal accidents of children and legal disputes about keeping comatose patients alive are relatively frequent. Even as a RD entry, the article is a mess and not ready for the main page. There is very little prose, all in the lead. The rest is WP:PROSELINE bullet points and a table of court decisions without context. Sandstein 14:42, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose in general, this doesn't appear to be a case with long-term repurcussions. But I will stress the Oppose on quality - an article that is basically a timeline rather than a discussion of the issues around this isn't going to be sufficient for main page (and the fact that hasn't been done here suggests that this doesnt have the impact suggested). --Masem (t) 14:41, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
• Comment To begin with, if it’s a stub it cannot be supported: the quality of the article is something fundamental for it to be included on the Main Page. And this one is far from being in good condition. The RS, moreover, do not consider it as a landmark decision, so it may seem that the impact and the notability of the case is rather mediatic than legal, juridical and medical. And it should be noted that the UN intervention is at the request of the family, not by the decision of the organization itself. I have my doubts that it is ITNR-worthy. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:44, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

An improved version is maybe candidate for RD. Grimes2 (talk) 14:48, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Yes, sure. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:50, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose on notability. Can only find it as main story on British publications and tabloids and doesn't seem to have any major repercussions - nowhere on AP and CNN International, hidden on NYT World, not the top story on BBC Global, and so forth. DatGuy^Talk_Contribs 14:57, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb ... as lacking case-law significance. RD subject to quality/length standards. – Sca (talk) 14:58, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose, For lack of notability. Alex-h (talk) 15:57, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose on all fronts. Dreadful article. Barely notable for inclusion on Wikipedia as it is, honestly. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 17:07, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose I don't think this would work as a RD as there is little biographical information, for obvious reasons. As a blurb, the article would have to be completely re-written to replace the timeline with conventional prose. Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:17, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. Interesting story, but not for ITN. I'd suggest DYK. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 17:20, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
• Support for RD. Appears to be getting significant coverage internationally, including an article in the New York Times: [1] Thriley (talk) 17:28, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose an isolated death. Polyamorph (talk) 17:30, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
• It's clear that the consensus for now is against blurb. I change the nomination format. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:50, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

  Oppose RD as well, the child doesn't have an independent biography. Polyamorph (talk) 19:02, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

  This is not necessarily a requirement in a case like this. The child would never have an independent bio but his death here can be well documented to be an RD. (But there needs to be improvements still on the article) Masem (t) 19:16, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

  Technically the boy died in May (according to the judiciary report). An independent article would mean this would pass the notability test for an RD automatically, I don't think that is the case here. The case is making the news but I don't think it should be ITN or RD. Polyamorph (talk) 19:26, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose Blurb on notability and Oppose RD due to the article being about the case rather then the child who was the centre of it. This just isn't notable enough for a global encyclopaedia and most folks over here in the UK have bigger things to worry about, such as which Eton Psycho will be our next PM and the impending recession. --SinoDevonian (talk) 19:55, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
• Problem: RD requires a biographical Wikipedia article. However, the nominated article Archie Battersbee case is not a biography of the deceased a 12-year-old child. It does not qualify for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 20:21, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

  That's not true. Having a standalone bio article is sufficient for RD posting, but RD postings are not limited to those with biographical articles - just that those without biographical articles should still be reviewed as a normal ITNC that is otherwise targetted for RD posting. (Eg: I am pretty sure we have had RDs of criminals that are well identified on the page about the crime they did but lack a standalone article) Masem (t) 20:24, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

  Examples: Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/May_2017#(Posted_as_RD)_Ian_Brady_dies_at_79, Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/January_2021#(Posted)_RD:_Siegfried_Fischbacher. Black Kite (talk) 20:40, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

  These two examples meet the exception "Individuals who do not have their own article but who have significant coverage on an article about a group (e.g. one member of a musical group) are eligible for a recent deaths entry on a case-by-case basis." What group wikibio does Archie Battersbee belong to? -- PFHLai (talk) 20:48, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

  The first sentence on Wikipedia:In the news/Recent deaths is "An individual human, animal or other biological organism that has recently died may have an entry in the recent deaths (RD) section if it has a biographical Wikipedia article ...". Please give us something to read about the subject's life. Right now, the Archie Battersbee case wikipage only has his DoB and his protracted death, nothing on the twelve years in between. Is there anything to write about? For RDs of criminals, at least there would be info on the crimes they committed, and maybe daring escapes, etc. -- PFHLai (talk) 20:44, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

  Yes, I agree that the "IAR" examples given above are still biographical articles, and this isn't. Good point. Black Kite (talk) 20:47, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

  IMO, if there is a section in the nominated wikipage that gives the deceased a biographical sketch that is nicely written and fully referenced prose (not bullet-points!), it may be okay to bend the rules and include it on the RD line. -- PFHLai (talk) 21:01, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

• Comment Seems the [Charlie Gard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/July_2017#%5BPosted_to_RD%5D_RD:_Charlie_Gard case was posted to RD] but Alta Fixsler doesn't have an article. No comment on this nom, just some data points for y'all. Question? Do the UK courts routinely sentence children to death? --LaserLegs (talk) 00:15, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

...That's one hell of a misunderstanding of what happened. It's not sentencing someone to death if they're already dead... --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 00:21, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

LaserLegs, you're an American, right? This sounds alot like the Terri Schiavo case. Remember that? In neither case did the courts sentence anyone to death. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:43, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Schiavo's husband and legal guardian asked for the feeding tube to be removed in accordance with her wishes. In these cases, the children's primary caregivers - their parents - are being overruled by the courts and the children condemned to death. It's really quite abhorrent, really. Anyway I don't care if we post this or not, I just vaguely recalled a previous time UK courts ordered a child to die and shared the link to how it was handled that time. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:04, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

??? How is it being condemned to death? The children were not alive, their brains had stopped functioning. Crazy take. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 01:07, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Maybe read up on the case before commenting such absurd nonsense. The boy died in May from a catastrophic brain injury. The blood supply to his brain was cut off. His brain and other organs were necrotising.Polyamorph (talk) 06:44, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Laserlegs won't bother with the detail, he'll just see it as a chance to make specious claims against Brits. In the time it's taken me to write this sentence, there's a good chance another kid in Amurica has been shot to death. Pointless posturing. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:26, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

I see. Thanks Polyamorph (talk) 19:40, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose It might be big in the UK as a human interest story, but it's not news. HiLo48 (talk) 02:31, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

• It's overdone in the UK and far from news, nobody wants to hear about it in the slightest. Not a bio so no RD, I am honestly surprised there is an article that merits keeping since there hasn't even been a novel legal approach (let alone a precedent set). Just some parents struggling to accept their kid's death not shutting up about it, coinciding with silly season. Kingsif (talk) 14:36, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

• Weak Support RD The event is notable enough to have an article about his death, I feel that merits him appearing on RD. A biography section about the boy would be welcomed, but sadly I don't think there is much that can be said about the life of a 12 y.o. AdrianHObradors (talk) 12:51, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose No legal jurisprudential importance disclosed, and no biographical info either. Bumbubookworm (talk) 13:33, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose Even having an article is baffling. Kingsif (talk) 14:36, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose due to a lack of importance. It's suited to DYK instead. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 16:23, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose while desperately sad, it's just been a protracted case with no benefit to anyone. As far as I know it's made little or no difference to UK law, to European law, to anything other than the tragedy of those personally involved. Wouldn't even meet RD criteria as Archie was sadly only know for his death. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:07, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
• Comment suggest this is closed down, never getting close to the main page. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:26, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

  Agree. -- Sca (talk) 19:28, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose. Sad for the family, but it’s an overblown case in the UK media and isn’t blurb-worthy. (I’d question whether the article is encyclopaedic - it is unlikely to pass the WP:10YEARTEST) 2A00:23C7:2B86:9801:7555:23F:F48F:BC86 (talk) 19:37, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

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(Closed) Escalation in the Gaza strip

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Article: Operation Breaking Dawn (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​Israel launches Operation Breaking Dawn against the PIJ in the Gaza strip. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​Israel kills a senior PIJ leader, launching Operation Breaking Dawn against PIJ forces in Gaza
Alternative blurb II: ​Airstrikes on the Gaza strip kill 44 amidst an Israeli military operation against PIJ forces.
News source(s): BBC, CNN, Al-Monitor
Credits:

• Nominated by EditMaker Me (talk · give credit)

• Oppose Orange-tagged for NPOV issues, discussion on talk page continues. Black Kite (talk) 09:57, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per Black Kite. It's also part of a larger conflict that has been going on for too many years. Unfortunately, it has become routine. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:18, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose WP:RECENT, future developments unclear. Selfstudier (talk) 11:00, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose - per BK and due to their as yet being no significant development in the overall conflict. Also the idea that airstrikes are against PIJ and not against Gaza is a POV issue in the hook. nableezy - 12:19, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
• Comment – Added source links: BBC, AP, Guardian, AlJazeera
• Oppose Comment – Per Alsor. Significance of this particular flareup not apparent in the context of modern history. – Sca (talk) 12:48, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
• Reopened after a good-faith close by User:Kiril Simeonovski. Most oppose !votes referred primarily to quality issues which are addressable, and most notability concerns read to me as effectively "wait" !votes because they remarked that it's still too early to understand the notability. I think there is a realistic possibility that consensus could evolve after the issues with the target article are addressed and more information comes out.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 23:40, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose Nothing new here. Such incidents are far too frequent to be recorded here. HiLo48 (talk) 02:29, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
• Comment – Seems to be heating up. BBC, AP, AP, Reuters, DW The Gaza toll put at 31 Sunday by AlJazeera. – Sca (talk) 12:16, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
• Comment Truce announced [2] --Masem (t) 14:53, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
• Weak Support or wait. Notable enough to appear on my Spanish news, but article needs work, would be nice to at least get the POV tag removed before posting. AdrianHObradors (talk)
• Weak Oppose Truce has been announced now + unfortunately, not much different from the normal situation. The Kip (talk) 16:08, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
• Comment – Truce due to begin at 20:30. [3] [4] [5] – Sca (talk) 19:38, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
• Support on notability (but not quality yet) due to the high death toll. It's significantly higher than it was yesterday. I added an altblurb focusing on the casualties, but I feel like I could've worded it better. Feel free to offer improvements.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 20:30, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

And if the death toll is lower tomorrow? These things have been going in cycles for 70 years. HiLo48 (talk) 01:35, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Huh? I was referring to how the total death toll of the this military operation has reached a point where I think it's blurbworthy. Unless people already pronounced dead suddenly take breaths again, the death toll cannot go down. That the Israel-Palestine conflict has been ongoing for so long does not mean that the occasional escalations with very high death tolls are insignificant.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 02:19, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

HiLo48, if the death toll somehow goes lower tomorrow we are talking zombies and that warrants a blurb imo AdrianHObradors (talk) 10:21, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

No. We're simply talking about a failure to communicate. Maybe it's a difference between Australian English and whatever your version is. HiLo48 (talk) 11:50, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Official death tolls cannot decrease, as far as I know. It is physically impossible. Not sure what it is about Australian English that might render it otherwise. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 16:34, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

• Comment – Truce holds, for now. Toll still reported as 44. [6] [7] – Sca (talk) 12:43, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

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August 5

Portal:Current events/2022 August 5

August 5, 2022 (2022-08-05) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russo-Ukrainian War 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine Southern Ukraine campaign Ukraine's nuclear agency Energoatom says that Russian rockets have caused damage to the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant, including a nitrogen-oxygen unit and a high-voltage power line. (BBC News) Russian occupation of Kherson Oblast Volodymyr Saldo, the head of the Russian occupational administration in Kherson Oblast, is hospitalized, with former FSB officer Sergei Eliseev taking over his post temporarily. (Newsweek) Gaza–Israel conflict Operation Breaking Dawn Israel launches a series of airstrikes in the Gaza Strip, including a number against Palestinian Islamic Jihad's facilities. Ten people are killed and 55 others are wounded, including PIJ military leader Tayseer Jabari. (Al Jazeera) Afghanistan conflict Islamic State–Taliban conflict August 2022 Kabul bombing Eight people are killed and 18 others are injured when a bomb hidden in a cart explodes near a Shiite mosque in Kabul. The Islamic State claims responsibility for the attack. (Al Arabiya) Casamance conflict The Movement of Democratic Forces of Casamance signs a peace deal with the government of Senegal, pledging to lay down its arms in order to work towards a permanent solution. (BBC News) Business and economy Economic impact of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine Russian President Vladimir Putin signs a decree banning investors from "unfriendly countries" from selling their assets in Russian banks, strategic entities, and energy and commodity projects until December 31. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents Mountain B nightclub fire Fourteen people are killed and over 40 others injured in a fire at a nightclub in Sattahip district, Chonburi province, Thailand. (BBC News) 2022 Pakistan floods The death toll from the flash floods in Pakistan increases to 550. (Reuters) Five people are killed and 44 others injured in a fire at a hospital in Icheon, South Korea. (Korea Times) Ten people are killed in a house fire in Nescopeck, Pennsylvania, United States. (AP) One person is killed and another is injured after heavy flooding in Dakar, Senegal. (Reuters) Fifteen people are injured when an SUV crashes into a Native American parade in Gallup, New Mexico, United States. (AP) Politics and elections 2022 Senegalese parliamentary election Provisional results show that the Benno Bokk Yakaar coalition wins 82 seats, falling 1 seat short of absolute majority, while 80 seats were won by the opposition coalitions Yewwi Askan Wi and Wallu Sénégal. (Reuters) (BBC News) 2022 Saint Kitts and Nevis general election The opposition Saint Kitts and Nevis Labour Party, led by Terrance Drew, wins the snap general election to the National Assembly. Drew becomes the prime minister-elect. (The St Kitts & Nevis Observer)

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RD: Dean Carlson

Article: Dean Carlson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Fillmore County Journal
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by BeanieFan11 (talk · give credit)
• Created by GPL93 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:57, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

• This short article is just long enough to qualify (331 words of prose); more would be nice, but it makes sense that it's short as his NFL career was short. Footnotes are found at expected spots. There are no glaring formatting issues. And, Earwig found no problems. This wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 22:33, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

RD: Peter Schowtka

Article: Peter Schowtka (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sächsische Zeitung
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Curbon7 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Curbon7 (talk) 23:21, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

• This brand new article is long enough to qualify (412 words of prose), has footnotes at expected spots, and there are no formatting issues. This wikibio is READY for RD. It would be nice to see more info on what he did as mayor, though. AGF on all non-English refs. --PFHLai (talk) 08:01, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

RD: Narender Thapa

Article: Narender Thapa (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Saksapoiss (talk · give credit), Lancepark (talk · give credit) and Alexxander3000 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian footballer. Article has shaped into a start-class biography. Just meets the minimums for homepage / RD. RIP. Ktin (talk) 05:09, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

• This short article is just long enough to qualify (342 words of prose), so a little more expansion on his accomplishments (how many goals has he scored? he must've done something to stand out to get himself selected to the national team.) would be nice. There are footnotes at expected spots. No glaring formatting problems. Earwig found nothing wrong. This wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 08:23, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ali Haydar

Article: Ali Haydar (Syrian army officer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (Syrian Observatory For Human Rights)
Credits:

• Nominated by Alsoriano97 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Strattonsmith (talk · give credit), Saksapoiss (talk · give credit) and PCN02WPS (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Syrian deposed military officer. Article seems good. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:41, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

• Comment: Lead could do with expanding to reflect the rest of the content. —Brigade Piron (talk) 22:06, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
  • Support, now that changes have been made. —Brigade Piron (talk) 17:36, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
• Support I have expanded the lead, pinging Brigade Piron to reevaluate. If more needs adding let me know. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 03:16, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

  Thanks! _-_Alsor (talk) 18:59, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 17:14, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

RD: Cherie Gil

Article: Cherie Gil (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Manila Times CNN Philippines
Credits:

• Nominated by Jollibinay (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Saksapoiss (talk · give credit), NewManila2000 (talk · give credit), Patrick Cristiano (talk · give credit), Hocksock (talk · give credit) and Skycloud86 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Filipino actress. Jollibinay (talk) 11:10, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

• Comment Filmography section needs more sources. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:36, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

  I did what I can, but there are still several entries that do not have refs. Howard the Duck (talk) 00:44, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

RD: Judith Durham

Article: Judith Durham (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC, BBC, Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by HiLo48 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Australian singer, songwriter and musician who was lead singer of the Australian popular folk music group The Seekers HiLo48 (talk) 08:13, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

• Support Article looks good, it is updated and sourced. AdrianHObradors (talk) 10:29, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
• Support For I know I'll never find another you. Needs some work. Some unsourced paragraphs. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 10:51, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
• Support She was and continues to be very well-known in Australia. Internationally much less so, though as a group The Seekers were quite popular. JMonkey2006 (talk) 11:25, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose Article does not look good. More sources are required. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:45, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
• Comment – Quite widely reported. – Sca (talk) 12:53, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
• Support - Issues have been addressed. Good to go. Mjroots (talk) 14:03, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
• The "The Seekers" section has only one footnote for three paragraphs and that ref is a fan site. The "Solo career" section has a couple of footnote-free paragraphs. In her Discography, the list of EPs has only one item (just one?) and it is unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 14:36, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose In addition to the other issues noted, the discography is largely unsourced. There are only citations for select chart positions, not for the albums without chart positions noted. This is far from ready. GreatCaesarsGhost 15:06, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

A false objection. Almost every "disc" is a Wikilink. Sourcing needs to be in those articles, not necessarily in this article. HiLo48 (talk) 22:34, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

• Support, Article is good for a notable person. Alex-h (talk) 16:45, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
• About 10 {cn} tags still remains. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 06:57, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) Chinese military exercies around Taiwan

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Articles: 2022 Chinese military exercises around Taiwan (talk · history · tag) and 2022 visit by Nancy Pelosi to Taiwan (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​China conducts military exercises around Taiwan following Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​Nancy Pelosi visits Taiwan and China responds with military exercises around the island
Alternative blurb II: ​China surrounds and invades Taiwan's territorial waters using military exercises in a notable escalation after Nancy Pelosi's visit.
News source(s): NYT, BBC, Jagran (India), USA Today, WSJ, Bild (Germany), El País (Spain), El Mundo (Spain)
Credits:

• Nominated by AdrianHObradors (talk · give credit)
• Created by IgorTurzh (talk · give credit)
• Updated by MysticForce07 (talk · give credit), Jaredscribe (talk · give credit), HorCrux48 (talk · give credit), Jsnider3 (talk · give credit) and Seloloving (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Constantly in the news. Linked sources all have the news on their front page, and have had it for a couple of days. AdrianHObradors (talk) 09:59, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

• Comment stop calling it "Nancy Pelosi's trip to Taiwan" it was a total of six exclusively Democrat members of congress who attended via US Airfore transport. We should post this, but the blurb needs to be adjusted. --LaserLegs (talk) 10:11, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

  I guess you can start with renaming the article then. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  10:16, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

  yep --LaserLegs (talk) 10:21, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose I think this might deserve a blurb, but the military exercises article is being considered for deletion and has problems, and the visit has already been discussed this week and wasn't posted. If it is to be posted, the exercises article should either be improved or merged. echidnaLives (talk) 12:05, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

  EchidnaLives the military exercise article was proposed for deletion as it was named before "Fourth Taiwan Strait Crisis". It has been moved, but and will probably stay. Still, I agree it should get resolved before the blurb gets posted, and could perhaps still get posted only with Nancy Pelosi's article. AdrianHObradors (talk) 12:18, 5 August 2022 (UTC); edited AdrianHObradors (talk) 12:24, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose Military exercises are not that rare (see for example this list). If things escalate and China invades Taiwan, that will surely deserve posting.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:08, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

  I think the difference is that this one is in direct response of an event, and all around Taiwan. I think if Russia decided to do a military exercise all around Hawaii, it would be news as well. AdrianHObradors (talk) 12:26, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

• Wait – So far it's just gunboat diplomacy, 21st century-style. – Sca (talk) 13:03, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose - Military exercises around Taiwan have unfortunately been a fact of life for the better part of the past 30 years. While it has escalated recently, these exercises have in the past waxed and waned. Most news articles are focusing on the outcome of Pelosi's Taiwan visit and only mention military exercises as a sort of follow-up or side article, rather than the main focal attention. If it does become a crisis or standoff, it should be titled as an actual "crisis" and re-nominated. 193.119.98.23 (talk) 13:14, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
• Weak support they invaded Taiwan's territorial waters and fired into them, encircling the whole island. This makes it very different to just a normal military exercise, it's the closest you can get to war without one. Abcmaxx (talk) 13:31, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
• Wait Still posturing in light of the Pelosi visit. Nothing new here. --Masem (t) 14:20, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose - This isn't a significant development, and the fact that one of the sample blurbs slips the reliable wiki-hooray-word 'notable' in there just shows how much of a reach this is. GenevieveDEon (talk) 18:52, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
• Wait -- this is in the news, but it's not blurb-worthy, and it may not be. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 20:25, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose Nothing notable here. Many countries, including my own, Australia, routinely conduct dick-rattling military exercises in that region. Until we get independent reports from reliable media in countries that aren't involved in such mine-is-bigger-than-yours activities, there is really nothing to report. HiLo48 (talk) 02:30, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

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August 4

Portal:Current events/2022 August 4

August 4, 2022 (2022-08-04) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russo-Ukrainian War 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine Battle of Donbas A Russian strike kills eight civilians and injures four others, at a bus stop in Toretsk, according to regional governor Pavlo Kyrylenko. (Ukrinform) War crimes in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine Amnesty International releases a report alleging Ukrainian forces have endangered civilians by establishing bases and operating weapons systems in residential areas, schools, hospitals, violating international humanitarian law as they turn civilian objects into military targets. (Amnesty International) Jihadist insurgency in Burkina Faso Thirteen people, including nine civilians, are killed in a militant attack in Bam, Burkina Faso; thirty-four insurgents are also killed. (Reuters) Business and economy 2021–2022 inflation surge The Bank of England raises its benchmark interest rate from 1.25% to 1.75% in its largest single rate hike since 1995. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents Twelve people are killed when a truck collides with a commuter bus in Central Region, Ghana. (UNOI) Three people are killed and a fourth person is seriously injured by a lightning strike at Lafayette Square in Washington, D.C., United States. (CBC) Health and environment 2022 monkeypox outbreak 2022 monkeypox outbreak in the United States The Biden administration declares the ongoing monkeypox outbreak to be a public health emergency. (MSN) The United States Food and Drug Administration announces that it will permit the use of Bavarian Nordic's Jynneos vaccine in children on a case by case basis. (ABC News) COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in South Africa COVID-19 vaccination in South Africa South Africa reports its first death linked to the COVID-19 vaccine in a person who received the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. (Reuters) International relations Cross-Strait relations 2022 United States congressional delegation visit to Taiwan China launches missiles off the coast of Taiwan as part of military exercises conducted following the visit from U.S. Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi. (Reuters) (AP)

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(NEEDS ATTENTION) RD: Neil Castles

Article: Neil Castles (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NASCAR; CBS Sports; Deadline Hollywood
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 01:35, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

• Long enough with 500+ words of prose, footnotes at expected spots, formatting looks fine, and Earwig reports not troubles, this wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 06:54, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
• Support. Articles is of sufficient quality for ITN/RD. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:14, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
• Support good to go. _-_Alsor (talk) 18:51, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose There are some things missing. Firstly, for a person involved in motor car or bike racing, they would drive for a certain type of team, and drive a certain type of car, which is not explained at all. There is no mention of any of this. Further, there is no mention of any career ups or downs. He raced for two decades, and there is just a comment on the number of placings. For example, he came 4th and 5th overall in the whole league in a couple of years. There are also issues that are skimmed through example in various online obits, but raise issues that need to be dug into further in historical news sources or books - The WP article gives an anecdote that he used firearms against race officias, and another link says this was a recurring pattern. This would need to be explained, as any reader would expect that there will be sanctions (maybe even criminal) for shooting at/threatening other participants/officials. There also seem to be sanctions for physical altercations with other people, and allegations of racism that are not addressed. Bumbubookworm (talk) 19:58, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

• The depth of coverage for this article is sufficient, as all major points of his life are covered. The source you provided above (thecheckeredflag.co.uk), to claim that this article does not cover trivial details and speculated consequences of his actions, does not appear to be a reliable source. Moreover, allegations of racism by one rival competitor from a single source violates WP:UNDUE. Spencer, Stephen, PFHLai: I think this may be ready to go, notwithstanding the sole oppose above. —Bloom6132 (talk) 02:48, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

• How is the employer/team of a sportsperson not a relevant fact? How is it trivial to know what the consequences of assaulting a sports official/umpire is, especially with a gun (when the subject himself is bragging that he fired at a race official)? I'm sure many people who monitor this area would know that you try to flood the place with articles (regardless of quality) for WikiCup points Bumbubookworm (talk) 03:36, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

• Ahh, so we finally discover the true reason for your oppose votes and obsession with my ITN noms. Coupled with your unsubstantiated bad faith aspersions. Good to know that we can disregard your bad faith votes. —Bloom6132 (talk) 03:54, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Err, right, the issue of WikiCup distorting behaviour has come up plenty of times in the past across a wide range of fora, not about any specific editor, and I am not participating in any metric-based competitions. And you haven't explained why it is ok for a sportspersons bio to have no information whatsoever on what team they represent, career progressions, team changes etc Bumbubookworm (talk) 04:03, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

You do realize I nominate ITN articles outside of the WikiCup competition, don't you? Are you going to also argue that I'm "flood[ing] the place with articles" to gain offseason WikiCup points too? You're really looking silly now and reaching. —Bloom6132 (talk) 04:26, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

None of the sources covering his career stats (ESPN, Racing-reference.info) mention the teams he represented or changes (apart from racing under his own name). If you want to invent some names out of thin air, be my guest. —Bloom6132 (talk) 04:26, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

• Also, you do (or should) know of the issue of gun control in the US. The lack of laws in this area makes it more likely that he escaped any sanction than to be charged with any offence. —Bloom6132 (talk) 03:54, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) Brittney Griner

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Article: Brittney Griner (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​Brittney Griner is sentenced to nine years in prison in Russia for drug possession and smuggling. (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

• Nominated by Andise1 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: A major case in Russia involving a well known basketball star in the United States. Andise1 (talk) 15:37, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

• Comment: Article not updated with sentencing information. Spencer^T•C 15:44, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose I don’t see any extraordinary significance in sentencing a person who was found guilty for smuggling drugs. Many people around the world get punished for committing similar crimes on a daily basis.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:47, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

The signficance comes from the fact that she is a US citizen (and a black lesbian) prominently detained in Russia just before its invasion of Ukraine. The potential for her to be used as a political bargaining chip, or treated badly because of her identity as distinct from her alleged offence, is relevant. I don't think the story currently merits ITN, but it would be naive to ignore the context. GenevieveDEon (talk) 18:00, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Oppose A high profile case sure, but not a particularly noteworthy sentence. Drug smuggling gets punished far worse in countries like Malaysia or Indonesia. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  16:00, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Other countries' severe punishments are not relevant to this case. GenevieveDEon (talk) 18:00, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

all im saying is for the crime committed, the punishment isn't particularly severe. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  19:03, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose per Kiril and 4iamking. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:04, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose Not seeing the lasting significance. Kafoxe (talk) 16:13, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
• Neutral, leaning Oppose - The significance of this story obviously comes from the context of international tensions between USA and Russia over Ukraine, and it may gain in prominence when more reactions come it. But at present, I don't think it merits posting. GenevieveDEon (talk) 18:00, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose I suspect that if she had not been notable for her basketball career, we wouldn't even have an article about this case. Black Kite (talk) 18:08, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose thank you for updating the article and attempting this nomination. ITN is only for a small number of highly prominent news events. The conviction is a mere formality, hardly news at all because the outcome was forordaned. Jehochman ^Talk 19:11, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

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