Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates

This page provides a forum for editors to suggest items for inclusion on In the news (ITN), a protected template on the Main Page, as well as the forum for discussion of candidates. This is not the page to report errors in the ITN section on the Main Page—please go to the appropriate section at WP:ERRORS. Archives of past nominations can be found here.

This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. Under each daily section header below is the transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day (with a light green header). Each day's portal page is followed by a subsection for suggestions and discussion.

A blurb is a one sentence summary of the news story. An alternate suggestion for the blurb is called an altblurb, and any more suggestions get labelled alt1, alt2, etc. A blurb needs at least one target article, highlighted in bold; reviewers check the quality of that article and whether it is updated, and whether reliable sources demonstrate the significance of the event. Other articles can also be linked. The Ongoing line is for regularly updated articles which cover events that remain in the news over a longer period of time. RD stands for the "recent deaths" line, and can include any living thing whose death was recently announced. In some cases, recent deaths may need additional explanation as provided by a blurb; this is decided by consensus.

José Maria Neves PAICV candidate José Maria Neves (pictured) is elected President of Cape Verde. British Member of Parliament Sir David Amess dies after being stabbed during a constituency meeting. Severe Tropical Storm Kompasu kills 40 people in the Philippines and Hong Kong. In cricket, the Indian Premier League concludes with Chennai Super Kings defeating Kolkata Knight Riders in the final in Dubai. Ongoing: COVID-19 pandemic Recent deaths: Colin Powell Dennis Franks Brendan Kennelly Edita Gruberová Emiliano Aguirre Enamul Haque view — page history — related changes — edit

How to nominate an item In order to suggest a candidate: Update an article to be linked to from the blurb to include the recent developments, or find an article that has already been updated. Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated). Do not add sections for new dates. These are automatically generated (at midnight UTC) by a bot; creating them manually breaks this process. Nominate the blurb for ITN inclusion under the "Suggestions" subheading for the date, emboldening the link in the blurb to the updated article. Use a level 4 header (====) when doing so. Preferably use the template {{ITN candidate}} to nominate the article related to the event in the news. Make sure that you include a reference from a verifiable, reliable secondary source. Press releases are not acceptable. The suggested blurb should be written in simple present tense. Adding an explanation why the event should be posted greatly increases the odds of posting. Please consider alerting editors to the nomination by adding the template {{ITN note}} to the corresponding article's talk page. There are criteria which guide the decision on whether or not to put a particular item on In the news, based largely on the extensiveness of the updated content and the perceived significance of the recent developments. These are listed at WP:ITN. Submissions that do not follow the guidelines at Wikipedia:In the news will not be placed onto the live template. Headers Items that have been posted or pulled from the main page are generally marked with (Posted) or (Pulled) in the item's subject so it is clear they are no longer active. Items can also be marked as (Ready) when the article is both updated and there seems to be a consensus to post. The posting admin, however, should always judge the update and the consensus to post themselves. If you find an entry that you don't feel is ready to post is marked (Ready), you should remove the mark in the header. Voicing an opinion on an item Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated. Please do not... add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are usually not helpful. Instead, explain the reasons why you think the item meets or does not meet the ITN inclusion criteria so a consensus can be reached. oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive. accuse other editors of supporting, opposing or nominating due to a personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). Conflicts of interest are not handled at ITN. comment on a story without first reading the relevant article(s). oppose a recurring item here because you disagree with the recurring items criteria. The criteria can be discussed at the relevant talk page.

October 20

Portal:Current events/2021 October 20

Current events of October 20, 2021 (2021-10-20) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian civil war 2021 Damascus bus bombing Two bombs attached to a military bus detonate as it passes under Jisr al-Rais bridge in Damascus, killing 14 people. Minutes later, military shellfire kills at least 10 people in Ariha, Idlib Governorate. (BBC) Disasters and accidents Mount Aso in Kumamoto Prefecture, Japan, erupts, sending smoke to 3,500 meters into the sky. The eruption began around noon local time. Chief Cabinet Secretary Hirokazu Matsuno says that there are no reports of injuries but says he heard there were climbers on the mountain before the eruption and they are checking the situation. (The Asahi Shimbun) The death toll due to floods and landslides in western Nepal increases to 77. The government has pledged aid to the hardest-hit areas. (NDTV) Law and crime Stoneman Douglas High School shooting Nikolas Jacob Cruz, accused of the 2018 mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, United States, pleads guilty on all 34 charges. (CNN) International politics and relations President of Russia Vladimir Putin says he will not attend the COP26 climate summit in Glasgow, seriously weakening hopes of a breakthrough international deal on climate change. (BBC)

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Sakharov Prize

Article: Alexei Navalny (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​Russian opposition activist Alexei Navalny (pictured) is awarded the Sakharov Prize. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​Russian opposition activist Alexei Navalny (pictured) is awarded the Sakharov Prize for his contribution to protecting freedom of thought.
Alternative blurb II: ​Opposition politician Alexei Navalny (pictured) is awarded the Sakharov Prize for his work against corruption in Russia.
News source(s): Euronews, dpa, DW (Eng.)
Credits:

• Nominated by Brandmeister (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Update currently may be small, but otherwise the article looks ok. Brandmeister^talk 15:34, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support Checking the Sakharov Prize webpage, there's not much more details there either except a biography of Navalny. The article itself is top notch, however, and worth putting on the main page. News is covering this, besides the EuroNews link above, there are substantial stories from WaPo, NY Times, and al Jazeera. There's sufficient coverage to indicate significance. --Jayron32 15:54, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• I feel the blurb needs to say something of why he got the prize or what the prize is nominally for (presently short enough to add something) though I'm not seeing, as usually with something like the Nobels, a short statement for the reason. --Masem (t) 15:57, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

  From the Prize's own webpage: the Sakharov Prize for Freedom of Thought is the highest tribute paid by the European Union to human rights work. It gives recognition to individuals, groups and organisations that have made an outstanding contribution to protecting freedom of thought. Through the prize and its associated network the EU assists laureates, who are supported and empowered in their efforts to defend their causes. I'm sure we can crib something from that. I've made a stab at an altblurb. Feel free to edit it or add another altblurb as needed. --Jayron32 16:12, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

  Works for me. I know the prize is ITNR and not doubting its place there, but its relatively unknown and so why its given out should be mentioned. Good with the altblurb for that. --Masem (t) 16:16, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

• Excellent article, but it could really do with at least a couple of sentences on why he won the prize. I've added alt2, which is based on the quotations in the WaPo report. Modest Genius ^talk 16:33, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

  I've added a quotation to the article. Some more on the reaction would be welcome. Modest Genius ^talk 16:41, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

• Comment – That pic is 10 years old. Perhaps a more recent one is available? – Sca (talk) 17:00, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

  File:Alexey Navalny in 2020 (cropped).jpg? Modest Genius ^talk 17:07, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

  Thanks, but composition is jumbled. Could be cropped to a mug, but facial expression is rather odd. – Sca (talk) 17:12, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

(Closed) Ongoing removal: COVID-19 pandemic

Consensus is not going to develop to remove this from ongoing. - Fuzheado | Talk 14:39, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

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Article: COVID-19 pandemic (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)
Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Our oldest blurb is from October 14th. Since that day, nothing has been added to this article. Nothing at all. This plainly fails the Ongoing criteria the article needs to be regularly updated with new, pertinent information in every sense. If there is a specific article linked within this that is getting updates, then that article should be nominated for Ongoing. But we've had a static article featured on the Front Page for months that any interested reader has probably read many times over. If there is to be a specific carve-out for this particular article and Ongoing, please make a Talk section for it. I can't think of any non-IAR reason why this is still here. 130.233.213.141 (talk) 06:31, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support No longer an urgent developing story, overall, just became its own daily genre of mundane statistical reports, like weather, stocks or sports. New normal, as they say. Certainly doesn't need us to spotlight it anymore, if it ever did, the word's out. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:32, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose one would be hard-pressed to find a news outlet which doesn't publish COVID-related stories every day. Banedon (talk) 09:18, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support the requirement to stay on ongoing is that significant additions are being regularly made to an article. That isn't the case here, as there's barely any updates in October 2021. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:36, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose - this is still the single dominant story worldwide, even a year and a half after it started, and it still kills thousands every day. We've always treated it as an exception to the "continual updates" rule, in the interests of providing a quick link to this ongoing story from the main page. And having it as an Ongoing item was already a compromise given that we previously had a dedicated box to it at the top of ITN, whose removal many editors opposed.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:54, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
  • When was there an agreed consensus to treat this as an exception? Joseph2302 (talk) 10:10, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per Amakuru. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 10:09, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose The main reason why the article linked from ongoing doesn't receive regular updates is that it's already attained a stable version, and most of the daily updates are therefore done in its numerous sub-articles. If this is not enough to justify it, there are cases where we can invoke WP:IAR, and this is surely one of them. In the long run, we'll probably remove this from ongoing when WHO declares that the pandemic is over and post it in a blurb.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:18, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Given the unequal distribution of vaccines globally and the unequal vaccination rates across different regions of individual countries, it's unlikely that the WHO will declare the pandemic to be over any time soon. So we can't wait for such an announcement. The only criteria we can use is public interest which is still very high and will remain so for a while Scaramouche33 (talk) 10:24, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. The pandemic is not only still going on, it's still front-page news in many (perhaps most?) countries. Coronavirus stories are currently the top item on the websites of the BBC, CBC, Guardian, New York Times, Süddeutsche Zeitung etc. Life has not returned to 'normal' in most places. I understand the argument that the article isn't receiving frequent updates, which has merit. The traffic is also down to 20,000 hits per day - not insubstantial but not as high as I thought it would be. The numerous sub-articles are being updated, so we could switch the link to a more active target, but then it would be difficult to decide which one and we would be missing parts of the story. We shouldn't penalise an event for being so big that it spawned dozens of articles. This is the biggest news story since ITN began; I think we can treat it as a special case and IAR. Modest Genius ^talk 12:07, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose – Per Banedon, Amakuru. The pandemic remains the paramount condition of life on Earth and as such is comprehensively covered by RS media worldwide on a daily basis. – Sca (talk) 12:08, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose This is, quite literally, ongoing, and as others have said before, this is the biggest news story, and it's been so for over a year and a half. It would be wrong to remove this from Ongoing. Heythereimaguy (talk) 12:23, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose - We can't wish COVID-19 away. Even if vaccines are now widely available, the ongoing supply chain issue caused by pandemic lockdowns is definitely still present and covered by RS.--WaltCip-(talk) 12:36, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose The pandemic is ongoing and will be still for a long while. Sadly that link may remain there for a really long time but so be it. Rhino131 (talk) 12:52, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per Amakuru.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:52, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Suggestion Would it be better to change the link to a piped link to Timeline of the COVID-19 pandemic in October 2021 which is fully referenced and regularly updated? We could just shift the link each month to the new month's timeline. Just a thought... --Jayron32 13:26, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

  Well, that's listed in the 'Series' box below the infobox. Perhaps it should be added to 'See also' list below the text? – Sca (talk) 13:33, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

  I would say no, at that would be an Easter Egg link. If we're keeping COVID-19 on ongoing, it should be the main article about it. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:41, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

  A reasonable suggestion in principle, but in practice those timelines are a random selection of facts with little consistency and no coherent narrative. I doubt they would be of much use to readers. Modest Genius ^talk 13:42, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose. Still top news around the World. Change to "COVID-19 pandemic (October 2021)" to include an updated article without removing the main article. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:46, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Plenty of daily updates in subarticles of the topic - the top level is too broad for most of those to perculoate into that. --Masem (t) 13:49, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment – The main problem with the Covid article is length – more than 18,000 words. That equates to some 70 pages of typescript, or over 500 column-inches of the newspaper type of yore. Maybe a contingent of courageous copy editors should set to work on paring it down somewhat? (Not that it's unimportant, it's just unwieldy.) – Sca (talk) 13:51, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose WP:IAR, much like the pandemic itself.—Bagumba (talk) 14:07, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

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October 19

Portal:Current events/2021 October 19

Current events of October 19, 2021 (2021-10-19) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Yemeni Civil War UNICEF says that 10,000 children have been either killed or injured in Yemen since Saudi Arabia entered the country support it in 2015, in reaction to the Islamist Houthis' ousting of the government. This equates to an average of four children killed or injured every day since the start of the conflict. (Reuters) Mali War Defence minister Sadio Camara confirms that the Islamic branch of the government is willing to negotiate with the local affiliate of al-Qaeda, a move that is strongly opposed by France. (Al Jazeera) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in Bulgaria Bulgaria launches its COVID-19 Green Certificate which indicates that a person is either vaccinated, has tested negative, or has recovered from COVID-19. The certificate will be mandatory for all indoor activities beginning on October 21. (Novinite) COVID-19 pandemic in Russia Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin announces a stay-at-home for unvaccinated or unrecovered people age 60 years and older and ordering businesses to shift 30% of their workers to remote work beginning from October 25 due to record 1,015 deaths in Russia over the past 24 hours. (CBC) COVID-19 pandemic in the United Kingdom United Kingdom reports 233 deaths from COVID-19 in the past 24 hours, which is the highest single-day total of daily deaths since March 3. (Inews.co.uk) COVID-19 pandemic in Asia COVID-19 pandemic in Israel Israel reports its first case of the Delta subvariant "AY4.2" in a boy who travelled from Moldova. (The Times of Israel) COVID-19 pandemic in Singapore Singapore reports a record 3,994 new cases of COVID-19 in the past 24 hours, thereby bringing the nationwide total of confirmed cases to 154,725. (Today) COVID-19 pandemic in New Zealand New Zealand reports a record 94 new cases of COVID-19 in the past 24 hours. (The Guardian) COVID-19 pandemic in South Africa, COVID-19 vaccination in South Africa The South African Health Products Regulatory Authority rejects the Sputnik V COVID-19 vaccine due to some safety concerns the manufacturer wasn’t able to answer such as failed HIV vaccines that use Adenovirus Type 5 that similar to Russian-made vaccine. (AP) International relations International Atomic Energy Agency chief Rafael Grossi says that he plans to visit Iran by the end of November in an effort to revive the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action. (Newsweek) Law and crime National responses to the COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Brazil The Brazilian Senate releases a report recommending that President Jair Bolsonaro should face criminal charges for homicide regarding his response to the COVID-19 pandemic in the country. (Reuters) Aftermath of the 2021 United States Capitol attack The January 6 select committee investigating the riot on the U.S. Capitol votes to hold former White House Chief Strategist Steve Bannon in criminal contempt for refusing to comply with a subpoena issued by the select committee. (NPR) 2021 Leverkusen explosion Three people are charged in Germany for killing and causing an explosion by recklessness at a chemical park in Leverkusen, North Rhine-Westphalia, in July. Seven people were killed and 31 others were injured. (Reuters) The Federal Bureau of Investigation announces that it has raided the Washington, D.C. house of Russian oligarch and Vladimir Putin ally Oleg Deripaska, who was sanctioned by the U.S. Treasury Department in 2018. (The Moscow Times) Global investment bank Credit Suisse agrees to pay a US$475 million fine to U.S. and British authorities after pleading guilty to conspiring wire fraud towards investors, which violated the anti-corruption law of Mozambique regarding bond offerings. (AFP via RFI)

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(Closed) RD: Megan Rice

WP:NAC: stale (died on October 10 and reported the next day, which is beyond the oldest date not yet archived). —Bloom6132 (talk) 20:22, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

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Article: Megan Rice (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT WaPo The Independent
Credits:

• Nominated by Jonas1015119 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Anti-nuclear/peace activist and Catholic nun, most famous for breaching a nuclear storage facility aged 83, referred to as the biggest security breach in the history of the nation's atomic bomb complex. jonas (talk) 15:47, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

• When? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.189.58.81 (talk) 17:47, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Note Article quality looks good EXCEPT 1) there is no prose explanation of her death, either the manner or location of it, except that there is a date of death in the parenthetical at the beginning 2) The date, Oct 10, is to old to be considered for current inclusion on the list, unless news of her death has only been more recently released, and the explanation of her death in the text should indicate such a discrepancy as well. --Jayron32 17:54, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• WaPo obit added by the nominator is dated the 11th. Suggest Close. 159.53.78.141 (talk) 18:19, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment. I see that this is the nominator's first nomination with WP:ITNC. I see that they have missed out by 1 day. I also see that the article is well-referenced and from the looks of it -- pretty much ready to make it to homepage / RD. As a one-time exception, I would request the Admins to consider this nomination, given that it is the nominator's first submission. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 20:33, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

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October 18

Portal:Current events/2021 October 18

Current events of October 18, 2021 (2021-10-18) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Tigray War ENDF airstrikes on the city of Mekelle in Ethiopia's Tigray Region kill at least three people. (Al Jazeera) 2021 Eswatini protests Prime Minister Cleopas Dlamini orders the closure of schools across Eswatini in an attempt to stop pro-democracy protests that have occurred across the kingdom in the past few months. Protesters demand an end to the absolute monarchy of King Mswati III, the last of its kind in Africa, as ministers back the move, saying that there "is no room for such anarchy in our society". (Bloomberg) Business and economy Me Too movement German publishing house Axel Springer dismisses Julian Reichelt as the editor-in-chief of its tabloid newspaper Bild following sexual harassment complaints against Reichelt from his co-workers. (The New York Times) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Africa COVID-19 pandemic in Burundi Burundi launches its COVID-19 vaccination rollout using part of a shipment of 500,000 doses of the Sinopharm BIBP COVID-19 vaccine donated by China in a shift to make the country more active in its approach to containing the pandemic. (Reuters) COVID-19 pandemic in Zimbabwe Zimbabwe bans unvaccinated civil servants from working in an effort to reduce the spread of COVID-19. (Newsday) COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in Russia Russia surpasses eight million cases of COVID-19 after reporting a record for the fourth consecutive day of 34,325 new cases. (ABC News) COVID-19 pandemic in Spain President of the Government of Aragon Javier Lambán tests positive for COVID-19 after attending the PSOE's three-day party congress in Valencia. (El Mundo) COVID-19 pandemic in Ukraine Ukraine reports a record 538 deaths from COVID-19 in the past 24 hours, bringing the nationwide death toll to 61,348. (DIP) COVID-19 pandemic in Australia COVID-19 pandemic in New South Wales Restrictions are eased further in New South Wales as more than 80% of the adult population are now fully vaccinated against COVID-19. Limits on private gatherings and density caps at businesses are relaxed, and schools begin a phased reopening. (The Guardian) COVID-19 pandemic in Tasmania The lockdown is lifted across southern Tasmania, including the state capital Hobart. The lockdown was initiated because a person with COVID-19 entered the state, but was lifted when no community transmission was reported. (News.com.au) COVID-19 pandemic in the United States COVID-19 pandemic in Maryland Former U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell dies from COVID-19 at the age of 84 at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center in Bethesda, Maryland. (The New York Times) COVID-19 vaccine Phase three trial results suggest that the Valneva COVID vaccine is effective at priming the immune system to fight COVID-19. (BBC News) International relations Russia announces that it will be suspending its mission to NATO in Brussels as early as November 1, in response to the expulsion of 8 diplomats accused of espionage from the mission earlier this month. The NATO information bureau and military liaison in Moscow will also be terminated. (CNN) Law and crime 2016 Karrada bombing Iraq receives Ghazwan al-Zawbaee, the alleged mastermind of the ISIL suicide truck bombing that killed 340 people in Karrada, Baghdad, in 2016, which was the deadliest single-bomb attack in Iraq. Al-Zawbaee was arrested two days prior through a joint operation in a neighbouring country. (BBC News) 2021 Bangladesh communal violence At least 300 suspected members of a Muslim mob are arrested for the killing of two Hindu men three days ago at a temple in Noakhali, Bangladesh. The violence occured after an alleged Quran desecration at a Hindu temple in Haziganj Upazila. Several Hindu temples were also damaged in the clashes. Four members of the mob were also killed when Bangladesh Police personnel opened fire in Chandpur. (Al Jazeera) 2021 Myanmar protests State Administration Council chairman Min Aung Hlaing announces that his military junta will release a total of 5,636 jailed protesters to commemorate the Thadingyut Festival. (AFP via ABS-CBN News) Three people are killed and three more injured during a police raid at a compound of a religious group in Montego Bay, Jamaica, due to concerns that they were preparing ritual killings. (Reuters) Citing Roe v. Wade, the United States Department of Justice requests the Supreme Court to vacate the mandate of the Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit on allowing the Texas Heartbeat Act to remain in effect, thereby blocking the law. (AFP via RTL) Ecuadorian president Guillermo Lasso declares a nationwide state of emergency, citing an increase in drug-related crime. (AFP via Manila Bulletin) Science and technology Egor Babaev and collaborators with the KTH Royal Institute of Technology publish an experiment showing evidence of a new state of matter called electron quadruplets. (Phys.org) Sports 2022 Winter Olympics torch relay The Olympic torch relay begins in Olympia, Greece, without public attendance. (ANI News)

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RD: David Finn

Article: David Finn (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times; PRWeek
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 02:06, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

• Comment First spot check of references turned up problems, now tagged. 'Ography in good shape.130.233.213.141 (talk) 06:42, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
  • I've removed the first part of the sentence in question and added a ref for the second part. —Bloom6132 (talk) 07:24, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Edita Gruberová

Article: Edita Gruberová (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Der Spiegel
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Stellar Slovak coloratura soprano who sang leading roles for 50 years, based at the Vienna State Opera. Farewell concerts cancelled due to pandemic. The article was rather well developed, and we are still at it, because she really deserves more, but it looks well sourced as it is. Enjoy. Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:11, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support. Well cited throughout, should be ready. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 10:38, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support. A voice hard to forget. Article looks pretty good. cart-Talk 11:12, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posted --PFHLai (talk) 12:28, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

RD: János Kornai

Article: János Kornai (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): HVG.hu Hungary Today
Credits:

• Nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Hungarian economist. Found this one in Deaths in 2021. Article requires some work including references. However, before we proceed, we should really look for additional news sources confirming death, unless we have a Hungarian editor who can confirm that the HVG.hu site is WP:RS. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 21:55, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose – At a grand total of 46 words, this article seems to have been prematurely nominated. – Sca (talk) 22:28, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  Hi there @Sca: -- did you mean to post this above comment on a different thread? This article has 662 words and is considered by rater.js to be a C class biography. It needs some work in organizing and tidying up, including adding refs for unreferenced sentences. But, definitely has more than 46 words. That said, if there is a Hungarian editor, I would like some additional news sources if available. Good luck. Ktin (talk) 22:31, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  I'm pretty sure he meant to comment on Electron quadruplets which has exactly 48 words. Kacamata! ^Dimmi!!! 01:26, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

  Ooops! Sorry... – Sca (talk) 12:07, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

• Comment If you still need more sources,Hungary Today recently published an English-language articleon his death Scaramouche33 (talk) 10:53, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

(Closed) Electron quadruplets - New state of matter

WP:NAC: regardless of what people think of the significance, this is a two-sentence stub with one reference, which is not WP:IS. There's no point in debating this unless/until there's an actual article to assess. Feel free to re-open if that happens. Modest Genius ^talk 11:01, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

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Article: Electron quadruplets (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​Professor Egor Babaev and collaborators with the KTH Royal Institute of Technology publish an experiment showing evidence of a new state of matter called electron quadruplets. (Post)
News source(s): (Phys.org), (Mirage News),
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Elijahandskip (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: I feel like a new state of matter being discovered is big science news. Article is still a stub, so we might want to hold off on posting for a while, but I think this is 100% ITN worthy once the article is no longer a stub. Elijahandskip (talk) 21:11, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose on Quality Article is two sentences long. However once the article gets expanded I think this is notable enough. Jbvann05 21:27, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose – At a grand total of 46 words, this article seems to have been prematurely nominated. – Sca (talk) 22:28, 18 October 2021
• Oppose as of now, very much a stub. Unsure of notability; there seem to be a lot of weird states.  Nixinova   T   C   22:22, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose as really really early in the discovery process. Yes, it's a peer-reviewed paper in a respected journal, and appears to have replicated experiments elsewhere, but even reading these news reports, they're not sure if these results conclusively give this answer, only that it continues to support this potential theory which has been around for a decade+. --Masem (t) 22:28, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Questions Is it visible? Tangible? Some "thing"? Is the thing in the Phys.org picture the matter? How is that not a solid, if so? InedibleHulk (talk) 00:30, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

  Technically, the new state of matter hasn't been directly observed yet. There was experiments done that show evidence that a new state of matter may exist, but it may not. Elijahandskip (talk) 02:48, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

• Source comment - The two attached sources in the article are press releases from the professor's university that have been re-printed as the outlets haven't written their own pieces yet Bumbubookworm (talk) 01:31, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

  With science stuff it is different. The real information was published to Nature Physics, a big science journal. Also, the professor listed you could consider the "main author" of the research and information, but there is tons of Universities from different countries involved in this. Elijahandskip (talk) 02:48, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality as a single-source stub. I'm always unsure of when the right time to post a science story is, but this seems like something we could post at this point were the target article better. State of matter is currently largely uncited too otherwise I would suggest an update to it, which may still be feasible if someone with a science background is familiar with useful sources for it—I think we're more likely to get an update to that page than to get a main-page worthy article out of the new state in a timely fashion. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 01:53, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per Masem. I could just be ignorant here, so please correct me if I'm mistaken, but my understanding of the situation is that evidence has been found which could suggest that a new state of matter may exist, as opposed to researchers coming to the conclusion that a newly discovered state of matter does in fact exist (or that it most likely exists). I'm worried that posting a blurb about it would imply that the findings are more conclusive than they actually are.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 03:21, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Phys.org churns press releases. No article should ever be written with it as a starting point, let alone run on Wikipedia's main page with the most hyped-up possible description of the result presented as fact. Beyond that, it's not even in the news, having so far only been picked up by the typical press-release aggregators. "ITN" isn't short for "In the clickbait". XOR'easter (talk) 04:21, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality - We could never publish a two lines one source orange-tagged article on the Main Paige.--Kacamata! ^Dimmi!!! 05:19, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose the article isn't necessarily even notable enough to exist, no way it's notable enough for ITN. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:20, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(Removed) Ongoing Removal: 2021 Cumbre Vieja volcanic eruption

Article: 2021 Cumbre Vieja volcanic eruption (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: A paragraph was added on Oct 8 to prevent removal and nothing pertinent since then. A few updates about lava flows and some trapped dogs. There was nothing between Oct 1 and Oct 8. There is a List of currently erupting volcanoes and for good reason we do not have every one of them in the ongoing section. Simply put, the article and the story are stale. Per the guidelines "In general, articles are NOT posted to ongoing merely because they are related to events that are still happening.". It is time for this one to come down. I've published an updated content diff if anyone wants to review the changes and highlight any new, pertinent information that I've missed. LaserLegs (talk) 12:58, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support removal Even though the eruption is still going [1] it has lost the necessary interest of type of coverage that needs regular updating as to keep it in ongoing. This is an honest look at the news covering it, and while there's a story or three daily on it, its "yup, it's still going, still causing damage to the same parts of the island and we're still waiting for any big eruption", but otherwise like watching a teapot boil at this point. Should there be an actual destructive event, I can see a new blurb on that. If the eruption peters off, then that's it. --Masem (t) 13:13, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support removal Even more than the sparsity of updates, what convinced me is that all of them are sourced to local Canary Islands news sources, and almost all of them from a single source. In other words, not wide coverage.130.233.213.141 (talk) 13:19, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose removal there are updates as recently as yesterday (17 October), and some updates for almost every day in the last week. This is still ongoing therefore. There is continued coverage in other sources in the last few days: The Times (paywalled), CBS, Sky News. All of these sources could be used to expand it, and demonstrate there is more than just local coverage of the ongoing event. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:28, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
  • The problem is that the event is (literally) slow moving - there's still lava flow and the occasional quake, but the situation is not radically changing quickly as to necessitate updates that would have been ITN on a somewhat daily basis. Ongoing's not great for such slow-moving events either. As I noted, if there's a major event that happens, we can reconsider. --Masem (t) 13:37, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
  • The update on Oct-17 was one sentence about lava slowing and one about rescuing some dogs. Are five stranded dogs pertinent enough to keep a story in ongoing? --LaserLegs (talk) 13:57, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose removal The OP's diff table is huge – over 200K – and so tends to prove the opposite. The intensity seems to be getting stronger, as reported in the news – Lava tsunami; No end in sight; More cancelled flights; Drones deliver food to dogs. And it's not like the space is needed for anything else – we'd just be printing white space otherwise. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:15, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
  • No, it doesn't prove the opposite. There are minor content tweaks but very limited new, pertinent information as stipulated by the criteria Wikipedia:In_the_news#Ongoing_section --LaserLegs (talk) 14:34, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose removal. I'm updating this regularly - am trying for updating it daily. Saying that it was only updated on the 8th and no updates since is clearly incorrect per the article history (compare this with the other 'Ongoing' at the moment, last had a big non-bot edit on the 20th September). There are regular news stories about the progress of the volcano - the one I follow most is Canarian Weekly, so that's what I tend to reference, but there are others I could reference as well (e.g., El Pais has a whole section on its English front page dedicated to the volcano). Suggestions / messages about gaps would be really useful on the article talk page please (as would a notice about this discussion!). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 14:28, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Daily content tweaks are not new, pertinent information as stipulated by the criteria Wikipedia:In_the_news#Ongoing_section. The edit history doesn't reveal content changes, which is why I provided a diff of rendered content per revision. --LaserLegs (talk) 14:36, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
    • I'm not doing 'content tweaks' (fixing typos?), I'm adding updates to the content. There appears to be no definition of what 'pertinent information' means in this context. Mike Peel (talk) 14:40, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
      • Ok then show me the new, pertinent information. I saw one about slowing lava and some stranded dogs. Did I miss one? --LaserLegs (talk) 14:45, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
        • You still haven't defined 'pertinent'. But the current status is that a second lava flow will start going into the sea shortly (it's <200m away; nearby people have been restricted to their houses to protect them from the gasses - waiting for this to happen before this gets included); the town of La Laguna is at risk of going the same way as Todoque (football stadium and a supermarket already gone - mentioned in the article); and there have been the biggest earthquakes in the area recorded since the volcano erupted (up to 4.6 - in the article already). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 14:58, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support removal all the time people are reminding us that this is still "in the news" and posting links, but I'm not seeing any real encyclopedic content being added. Sure, the date formats have been tweaked and I think one sentence was added today by Mike Peel, but neither the "number of edits" nor the size of the diff table give any indication as to the quality of the updates being made. This is so boring to explain ITNR each and every time, and this one in particular. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 14:54, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
  • I'll just reply by saying "Don't let anyone bully you away from contributing whatever you like, however you want. Stay strong and don't be dissuaded." Will do my best to do that, despite how all the ITNR discussions seem to be surprisingly stressful. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 15:00, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
    • That completely misses the point, and fair play, you added a sentence, and that was literally the highlight. Anyone can edit anything in any constructive fashion, yes, but unless it's maintaining a series of high quality, ongoing edits to an item listed in Ongoing, that item isn't meeting the requirements for Ongoing any longer. Don't make it about you, it's not. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 15:04, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
      • A sentence today (so far), two sentences yesterday, a sentence the day before .... Mike Peel (talk) 15:07, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
        • Like I said, your contributions are the highlight. As Laserlegs enquires though, are we keeping an article on the main page because of five stranded dogs? Is that really the mission of the encyclopedia? The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 15:10, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
          • See my reply to them, just above, giving three key developments that have either happened since the last discussion, or are pending. Note that none of them were about dogs. Mike Peel (talk) 15:16, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
            • "key" developments? Ok. My !vote stands. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 15:17, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
            • Those additions/stories are part of this being a very "slow-moving" (in both literal and theoretical sense) news story. There is a slow-rising but small uptick in continued damage to the island but unless a sudden eruption/quake happens, no one's lives are at danger at this point, and everyone is just waiting either for it to peter off or for the cautioned "big" event, which if that happened, would certainly create a flurry of news. Keeping something that is just having this trickle of news in ongoing is not helpful because it is meant for stories where we'd likely to have otherwise have blurbs on a near-daily basis. --Masem (t) 15:22, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Remove While there are some small updates being made from time to time, the article is no longer up to quality (all new additions are a WP:PROSELINE mess) and major news sources are no longer featuring this prominently. --Jayron32 16:50, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  Quality can definitely been improved (it's been interesting to see the flurry of edits by other editors today). Whether major news sources cover it likely depends on which country you are in and what language they use, sadly. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:31, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Question When was the last time something happened that is more significant than the non-posted List of currently erupting volcanoes? GreatCaesarsGhost 17:57, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  I've taken this one to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of currently erupting volcanoes due to serious structural problems. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:31, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Remove: Volcanoes can easily go on erupting for months, doing little bits of damage here and there. That doesn't make them front-page news. Perhaps editors have enjoyed seeing lava fall into swimming-pools or something entertainingly tweetworthy. That doesn't justify being on the front page either. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:53, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  That makes them ongoing events. Your sarcasm isn't appreciated. Mike Peel (talk) 19:31, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  The point of the ongoing line is to displace the need to have blurbs on the same event over and over again (eg like Olympic or World Cup results). That means there needs to be events that are blurb-worthy to be happening in the event, which the ongoing eruption is not generating. --Masem (t) 19:33, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  This doesn't align with what Ongoing is all about. Otherwise we should 2021–22 Premier League on there, right? It's "in the news" around the world and is an ongoing event, albeit with relatively trivial events (watched nonetheless by millions across the globe), sounds like we need that here right now. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:37, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  Fair enough, this is turning into a debate about what 'Ongoing' is fundamentally about - I think we should be doing much more there, but that's a topic for another venue. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:52, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  Mike Peel indeed. Ongoing is an oddball at the moment, oft-misunderstood from its initial instantiation. By all means, and I mean this, please make proposal(s) at WT:ITN on how to improve the way it "works"? And thanks for your efforts on this article, I feel I may not have been clear that your contributions really stood out amongst the hundreds of tweaks. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 20:49, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose per Mike Peel's commendable effort. Others too... 108.46.31.187 (talk) 21:44, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support removal -- trivial and no longer generating sufficiently noteworthy coverage to remain in Ongoing. -- Rockstone^{[Send me a message!]} 23:08, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support removal. This isn't to say nothing is currently happening or that there isn't a steady flow of updates, but merely that the ongoing updates are not at the level where, in isolation, they might warrant their own blurb, and as I understand it that's what the ongoing ticker is meant to represent. It's not one blurb-worthy event strung along for as long as it's happening (or surely we'd still have the last US election up there for how long it's still being contested), but one listing for a series of what might otherwise be blurb-worthy posts (the covid pandemic is a good example of this--we could have a blurb for every new case/death milestone, or new vaccine, or new variant detected, etc, but we collapse them all down into one ongoing listing). And since the current state of this event is no longer at the point where a day's events would be independently worthy of listing, I can't support it remaining as an ongoing item. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 23:19, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose removal, as updates are ongoing to the article, and Mike Peel is doing good work on it.Jackattack1597 (talk) 00:26, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment Andrew has been showing persistent signs of WP:OWN about including this on ITN. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.8.114.34 (talk) 02:02, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support removal Should have never been added. Lots of things that get blurbs have "ongoing" impacts, doesn't mean we keep them posted forever. GreatCaesarsGhost 02:29, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support removal per Jayron and Grapple X. The is the fundamental problem with the ongoing section; this should have been posted as an item and allowed to age off, rather than being directly posted to Ongoing.. Spencer^T•C 03:08, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Remove. Not much is happening, media interest has passed. Yes the eruption hasn't stopped, but ongoing impact is low. Modest Genius ^talk 11:04, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Remove – From what we've see it appears this eruption could go on for a very long time without great change. If something really significant happened we could consider it then. – Sca (talk) 12:15, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Remove - The article was never really at an acceptable level and hasn't gotten better since it was put in ongoing. Key problems are that it is almost all a proseline and that it lacks an effective explanation of either the geographic or geologic setting of the eruption. I keep meaning to fix these deficits, but I have been saying "I'll fix it tonight" for 2 weeks and haven't done anything. Rockphed (talk) 12:59, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Removed from ongoing. --Tone 19:52, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

(Posted to RD) RD: Colin Powell

Article: Colin Powell (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​Former U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell (pictured) dies at age 84. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, AP, AP, BBC, LA Times, DW, NYT
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Vacant0 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Former US secretary of state Vacant0 (talk) 12:11, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support, possibly blurbworthy as he was the first African-American to be Secretary of State. Mjroots (talk) 12:21, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose till the missing citations show up, no blurb. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:26, 18 October 2021 (UTC) Good to go, RD with official state portraiture. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:54, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose quite a bit uncited. GreatCaesarsGhost 12:30, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment. I've got rid of one of the "Citation needed" tags; at most that section was synth, but I don't believe even that section applies. The other I've been able to find nothing and suspect it might be OR. I also note that there are other lines that should probably be tagged with "Citation needed", though most of those are for relatively minor matters with no major impact on the article. BilledMammal (talk) 12:38, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment His wikibio can be improved. In any case, if he has to have a blurb it’s for his career, especially for leading international policy and global diplomacy during the Iraq invasion, not for being "the first...". _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 12:40, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose for now: Article needs some small improvements. Otherwise it looks OK overall. However I do not believe this article is blurb quality, but it does look suitable for RD once the issues are fixed. ColinBear (talk - contributions) 12:43, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support RD on necessary improvements but oppose blurb He's a household name in the US associated with the events of the Middle East but reading through, outside being the first African-American SoS, whether his role was that impactful. Visible, yes. --Masem (t) 12:48, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Dates of ranks and Awards and decorations need sourcing.130.233.213.141 (talk) 13:28, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb Although former POTUSes get autoblurbed, I don't know if the same is true of other cabinet members.  – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 14:01, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb. He was not a world transformative figure, even if he had a role in significant events. If this were USApedia, he would get a blurb, but it's not. 331dot (talk) 14:12, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support blurb – pending improvements to article. Arguably 'transformative' as the first Afro-American secretary of State, i.e. the No. 1 U.S. diplomat, and a Cabinet member. His tenure is in recent memory. Held several other high positions in the U.S. government and military, and was widely known abroad. Very widely covered by RS sites, i.e. 'in the news.' A household name to many. Pics. avail. – Sca (talk) 14:35, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  He was forced to resign after helping start a war he failed to prevent, hardly a top diplomat, despite the title. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:46, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  This not about our opinions of his career, it's about significance of his role and news coverage of his death. – Sca (talk) 15:08, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  That's not my opinion. Plenty of obits recall the facts behind his sacking. So does his article. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:20, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  It's not about the character or outcome of his decisions, it's about his influence and the notability of the positions he held – over an extended period. – Sca (talk) 15:24, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  Influence and position are all about outcome. He died a man "whose sterling reputation was forever stained when he went before the United Nations to justify an invasion of Iraq", per the AP lead. Forever includes the past 18 years and today. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:36, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  Very prominently in the news. Influential person in recent history. Nuff said. – Sca (talk) 15:43, 18 October 2021 (UTC).

  The invasion of Iraq is one of the most significant events of the 21st century so wouldn't his role make him more ITN-worthy? Scaramouche33 (talk) 16:56, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  It could (pending an altblurb about a general) be a point for blurbing. But it still disqualifies him from the top tiers of diplomacy, which is all I'm arguing here. My "no blurb" from above is based on "old man dies" and "not the president" points. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:02, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb. I find it hard to believe we'd post a blurb for a cabinet member of any other state. I'm not a fan of the supposed "Thatcher/Mandela" standard for blurbs but even relaxing the bar, Powell's highest office was, if I'm not mistaken, fifth from the "top" as far as seniority goes within his own nation. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 14:43, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb Not a head of state, not a head of government. Just one of many members of the government executive branch. Chrisclear (talk) 14:53, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose RD - Plenty of uncited text. 2601:143:8000:A7E0:F92E:2FB6:5A95:404D (talk) 15:05, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment I'm a bit split on this one. He's definitely a highly influential figure in recent history and played a major role in forming Bush Jr's foreign policy, but personally I don't think he's at Kissinger's level. In Herring's book on the history of US foreign relations, Powell is mentioned twenty times. For comparison Kissinger is mentioned in over a hundred paragraphs and there's a separate chapter on him and Nixon. So it depends on how high the bar is Scaramouche33 (talk) 15:14, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  Wait... Henry Kissenger is still alive? Wow. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:06, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  That feeling when you outlive 4 secretaries of state that came after you Scaramouche33 (talk) 04:49, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support only when missing citations are fixed. It's ridiculous to me that people don't believe the first black United States Secretary of State is notable enough. Trillfendi (talk) 15:17, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support blurb Maybe I'm being a bit US-centric (not that there's anything wrong with that), but he's been a notable figure for over 30 years, and was closely involved with both Iraq Wars. His notability in the first Gulf War was in a league only otherwise occupied by George H. W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Norman Schwarzkopf. If it weren't for his personal preferences, he likely could have run for--and won--the Presidency in 1996 or 2000. And it was partly due to his influence, clout and respectability that there even was a Second Gulf War. His notability is probably most comparable to Henry Kissinger, in terms of being blurb-worthy--if you would oppose Colin Powell, then you should oppose Henry Kissinger on the same grounds.Ryan Reeder (talk) 15:19, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  Kissinger was awarded a Nobel Peace Prize, suggesting a higher level of world influence. 331dot (talk) 15:28, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  That was basically window dressing to placate the U.S. for losing the Vietnam War. – Sca (talk) 15:36, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  I definitely would support Kissinger, but I'm still on the fence with Powell. Starting to tilt towards support though. Right now,it might complicate things if we start comparing this nomination to a hypothetical future one Scaramouche33 (talk) 15:29, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support He was highly influential in American Politics for quite some time, first African-American Secretary of State, Chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, held numerous other positions, and was a major leader for both of the invasions of Iraq. Wandavianempire (talk) 15:34, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  Considered as presidential candidate in '92. – Sca (talk) 15:47, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  In other words they are a person who didn't do something that wouldn't have made them notable enough for a blurb had they done it. Thryduulf (talk) 15:58, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb. Old man dies is the story, that's what RD was made for. He wasn't a world leader, he wasn't transformative in his field, his death isn't going to change anything. Thryduulf (talk) 15:46, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb Not quite up to the level. I don't know of many US political figures outside of Presidents who would have a blurb. Kissinger yes, but I think Powell then falls short. Rhino131 (talk) 15:47, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb we've not posted head of states who die of old age, so why should we post someone who is less notable on the world stage? No evidence that his death is ITN-worthy importance. Also, oppose RD for now, as there's too much unsourced content. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:50, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose for now Article needs some ref work before posting. I would support a blurb when article is up to scratch. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:45, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose for now due to some quality issues in the article (already noted above). When it is ready, I would support RD only because neither the manner of his death, nor the reactions to it, need any further explanation that a blurb would afford. --Jayron32 16:48, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose RD for now per aforementioned quality issues, neutral on blurb. We will certainly point to this discussion if Henry Kissinger ever dies for precedent. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 16:54, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support blurb I find it fascinating how US-based editors in an effort to internationalize things oppose a nomination for clearly notable candidates. Same thing happened recently with Rumsfeld. Both are incredibly well known globally thanks to their involvement in the Iraq war, including some very strong opinions from older generations. Ironically Ruth Bader Ginsburg got the top blurb and picture after her death, and she is a lot more obscure outside of the US. Prominent Cabinet Members and CJCS should really get a blurb by default, these discussions are ridiculous. Meanwhile actors from the 40s and C-list athletes with borderline stubs constantly fill RD with no problems. Especially when some here cite "quality issues" even for RD, as if articles likeEnamul Haque (actor) were anything beyond average. jonas (talk) 17:01, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  First, the picture is not a thing - MP admins like to cycle the picture anytime they can to keep the page fresh. Second, US (and UK) editors should recognize the inherent bias in thinking stories/people from their homelands are more important, while the anti-bias forces should understand that they actually *are* more important in world culture due to western influence. It's a balancing act, but sacrificing mid-level political appointees seems a modest price to pay. GreatCaesarsGhost 17:54, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb - He is not in the same league of other politicians whom we have blurbed.--WaltCip-(talk) 17:25, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  Such as David Amess? – Sca (talk) 19:18, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  In fairness, Amess is only blurable because of how he died. -- Rockstone^{[Send me a message!]} 21:27, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb, support RD upon citation issues being resolved Powell is not a former head of state nor is his manner of death exceptionally newsworthy, albeit there would be worldwide reaction given his roles both in the Persian Gulf War and his tenure as Secretary of State. A RD mention is more than adequate, however. rawmustard (talk) 18:04, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support RD, oppose blurb. According to a documentary I saw, "can you name the Secretary of State" was a question asked during Navy SEAL training around that time. Connor Behan (talk) 18:36, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support RD regardless of article issues since he was an influential military figure. Neutral on blurb for now. Interstellarity (talk) 19:19, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support RD, Powell was one of the most influential American leaders of the 1990s/2000s; again, far more obscure people get RDs all the time without issue. Article issues shouldn't bear on this. Neutral on blurb, not quite sure if he merits it but I can see the case. The Kip (talk) 19:32, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support blurb Article in reasonable shape. Well-known global figure. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:06, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment: When there are 10+ {cn} tags in the article, it should not be on ITN -- Neither blurb nor RD. --PFHLai (talk) 21:17, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  I disagree. I think we should put importance and significance of a person above the quality of the article. For example, when Elizabeth II dies, she will most certainly get a blurb since she played an instrumental role in shaping the UK and the British monarchy. We can always fix the article while it is posted. I see nothing wrong with posting as a blurb or RD if an article needs more work. Interstellarity (talk) 12:51, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb Support RD once CN issues are resolved, of course, but it's hard to justify blurbing him. If we are to blurb a politician's passing, they should meet at least one of these criteria: that they were a head of state, or that their death itself was a notable event (as is the case with Sir David Amess), or that they were otherwise one of the most well-known figures of the time and notable for other reasons. I feel like there'd be a better case for blurbing Kissinger whenever he passes, and even that'd probably take a lot of discussion to reach a consensus.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 21:36, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb, support RD due to lack of recognition of Colin Powell outside being only senator and secretary, unlike the Queen of England, where her's death will be posted as blurb. 180.254.171.143 (talk) 23:40, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment: Powell was not a member of the U.S. Senate. KConWiki (talk) 01:52, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support blurb, Highly influential figure in american history during the early 21st century. KommanderChicken (talk) 00:12, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support RD pbp 01:27, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support RD (only) – Wasn't really a world statesman. STSC (talk) 02:49, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support blurb ONCE sourcing is fixed. It's very funny how all these US editors are trying to internationalize ITN/RD. I mean, c'mon now. KingOfAllThings ^{(thou shalt chatter!)} 03:01, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support blurb. Standing up in front of the United Nations and reciting a list of falsehoods makes him 'transformative'. He had a keey role in starting a major war. He more than anyoe else was the public face of the invasion of Iraq. Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 04:19, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support blurb. But now no longer news (in the 24-hour news cycle world). CoatCheck (talk) 04:38, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb I'm surprised this is even in contention. Do not post anything other than the death of a head of state or government. Banedon (talk) 05:41, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Though I oppose a blurb as well, that is just plainly wrong and against current consensus. We are not limiting ourselves to head of state or government even in the political space when it comes to posting blurbs. See the posting of Ruth Bader Ginsburg. WaltCip-(talk) 11:19, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

    That should not have been posted either. Banedon (talk) 14:27, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support RD - just a few sources that needs to be added before posting. The article is nowhere near ready for a Blurb however. BabbaQ (talk) 06:38, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose RD there is no difference in standard between RD and blurb-level BLPs, and this one clearly doesn't yet meet it. Also oppose a blurb in principle, for the reasons given above.  — Amakuru (talk) 07:08, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb US Secretary of State is not the power-holder in the country, he served his term 16 years ago with nothing that really makes him more important than the other holders of that office, and the cause of his death is not an assassination or an accident that would make it notable. That being said, he doesn't qualify for a blurb.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:30, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support RD not blurb this would be better off as an RD nomination then a ITN item. TootsieRollsAddict (talk to me pls I am lonely) 11:18, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Blurb Although he was notable, his death is not notable enough to warrant a blurb and can be simply described in his article. Perfecnot (talk) 14:02, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support RD Just a few citations added and it's good to go. Whether it's significant enough for a blurb is up to debate, but I'm leaning Support blurb. Heythereimaguy (talk) 14:38, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

  Note that it's still a long way off even RD standard. 16 citation-needed tags currently.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:38, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support Blurb He was a significant US figure, and was the first ever African-American Secretary of State. ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 17:30, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment – Although the blurb option was my post, it's evident at this pt. that RD is the consensus. Marked needs attn. – Sca (talk) 19:22, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

  There are 15 CN tags, and plenty of editors expressing concern about quality still. There is no consensus for blurb, but no consensus for RD either. As I've said previously, we need a way to more clearly state opposition of a blurb that is not read as support for RD. GreatCaesarsGhost 19:36, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

• RD is the consensus, but there are stil cn tags. Not posting until fixed. --Tone 19:43, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• No more {{Citation needed}} tags. A great team effort. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 23:58, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support RD. In two minds about blurb, but the article is ready. Moscow Mule (talk) 00:10, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support RD Referencing issues resolved. Pawnkingthree (talk) 00:27, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support blurb Article is now ready. Major involvement in starting and overseeing one of the deadliest wars this century so far. Highly visible, international role including that presentation of lies at the UN. Abundant RS coverage of his death. Also the first African-American secretary of state. I would alternatively support image RD since Amess has been up there awhile and Powell is widely recognizable. Davey2116 (talk) 02:59, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

  You realize there's no war, lies or black history in the blurb, right? It says a former US secretary of state died (of apparently nothing), aged 84. If you expect people to click inside for SHOCKING details on a big name, they can learn for themselves the same way via an IMG-RD post. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:45, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support RD Article now looks good for RD JW 1961 ^Talk 08:16, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Add to RD line. Quite a miss now. Don't see why a substandard article can prevent this name-listing. -DePiep (talk) 08:20, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. --Tone 08:37, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Bandula Warnapura

Article: Bandula Warnapura (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Papare
Credits:

• Nominated by Lugnuts (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Abishe (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: First captain of Sri Lanka's Test cricket team. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 08:44, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support. Referenced throughout, no tags for concern. Seems ready. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 11:47, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posted. Thryduulf (talk) 13:12, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

(Closed) The International 2021

The discussion is long enough to conclude that there is no consensus to post.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:10, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

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Article: The International 2021 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​In Dota 2 Esports, Team Spirit wins the 10th International taking home $18,208,300, the largest prize in esports history. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​In Esports, Team Spirit wins the 10th International defeating PSG.LGD in the finals.
Alternative blurb II: ​In Esports, Team Spirit wins the 10th International defeating Paris Saint Germain LGD in the finals.
Alternative blurb III: ​In Esports, Russian Team Spirit wins the 10th International defeating Chinese PSG.LGD in the finals.
News source(s): MSN Yahoo GMA
Credits:

• Nominated by Daikido (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: The article is in a great shape. It's high time we start posting major e-sports (at least the International) to ITN. Especially when half the sport postings right now consider sports such as Cricket and whatnot that have infinately smaller followings world wide than championships like the International with it's tens of millions of concurrent viewers --Daikido (talk) 08:36, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose WP:ROUTINE as yearly event in a niche area. We do not post winners of the National Lottery or Love Island either despite its huge participation and following.Abcmaxx (talk) 09:06, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose this event is not covered in many mainstream sources, and so is not important enough for ITN, as it's way too niche. And the nominator is wrong about half the sport postings right now consider sports such as Cricket and whatnot that have infinately smaller followings world wide than championships like the International, as the IPL, which is on front page now, had 380 million viewers this year [2]. Although WP:OSE applies anyway, we should focus on this article, which isn't ITN-worthy. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:25, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  >this event is not covered in many mainstream sources ; Neither are cricket, or whatever pollo, or even less popular sports that get posted yearly. And way fewer people care about those than about the international Daikido (talk) 09:42, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  Comment Truly terrible comparison. Cricket is a 200 year old sport and is definitely well covered in all mainstream news outlets in places that play this sport. Gaming, whilst popular, is still struggling to be even recognised as a sport. Lots of people care about Strictly Come Dancing and Great British Bake Off, we still do not post the winners of those "sporting" competitions. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:49, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  (ec) Cricket is in the mainstream news where it is popular. Cricket is popular in India and Pakistan, where over 1/7 of the population of this planet lives. No sources have been offered indicating this is in the mainstream news anywhere. 331dot (talk) 09:51, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  "Cricket is not covered in mainstream sources": wrong. [3], [4], [5] from a 30 second check. The International in the other hand is a competition that most people have never heard of. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:55, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose. (ec) No sources offered indicating this is in the news. 331dot (talk) 09:51, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. Had a look to try finding mainstream sources but nothing's showing up other than dedicated gaming sources, many of which would not meet WP:RS. Is that perhaps a journalistic problem, that they aren't covering something with "tens of millions of concurrent viewers"? Probably. But it's also indicative of this not being something we're able to post either at this point. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 10:34, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support Hold up for a second. This is a new article of good quality, which is job #1. It is being covered extensively in a large number of reliable sources. Lots of editors seeking "mainstream coverage" which is not an agreed upon standard here - go find mainstream coverage for the Cape Verde election where sure to post soon. Also the pageview count is comparable with IPL - people are looking for this. Clearly the nominator triggered a bunch of you with a really bad argument, but the is not about them. Consider the nominated article. GreatCaesarsGhost 11:54, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  Please offer some of these sources. 331dot (talk) 11:56, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  My question as a reader is, the international what? – Sca (talk) 12:04, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  And why does a developer-sponsored tournament for one of their own games, clearly to promote the game, merit this attention? Why this game? 331dot (talk) 12:07, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  We are not here to decide what merits attention. We follow RS. GreatCaesarsGhost 12:21, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  If that were true, we would have posted Shatner, which was actually in mainstream news. This tournament is just one expensive advertisement for their game. 331dot (talk) 13:01, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  In addition to the three mainstream sources above, here are additional sources that have been evaluated positively at WP:RSN: [6] [7] [8] GreatCaesarsGhost 12:21, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose. Computer gaming is a major cultural pastime which ITN under-represents (mind you, so is television). However e-sports are a minority pursuit within gaming and this particular tournament has received coverage only in specialist gaming outlets (IGN, PCGamer etc.) and does not appear to have been broadcast on any mainstream television channels. That's not enough to merit an ITN blurb. Valve streaming people playing their own game is good marketing, not a genuine sport. In addition, the article is mostly results tables, with no prose on the actual play or outcome. The comparison with cricket is laughable - that sport has over a billion active fans and 300 million current players [9]. e-sports are nowhere near that level. Modest Genius ^talk 12:11, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  Are we really all on here seriously suggesting that all of e-sports in 2021 is a niche interest? That one of it's biggest events, following by millions around the world, is a sales promotion of the game's corporate owner? GreatCaesarsGhost 12:27, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  Yes, I am suggesting both of those things. Modest Genius ^talk 11:20, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

  Esports are far from niche, given it is a >$1B market within a $200B market of video games. Esports are more likely to use streaming media than broadcast, so that should not be the factor here. The International has been reported on by mainstream news in the past, but this year, being the first back as a live event after COVID (and even then, limited due to venue changes and a limited live audience due to COVID restrictions) it has not be noted yet by any major sources, and in fact I was waiting myself for some before nominating (the ones given aren't the ones I'd have used). So would tend to agree that right it fails the normal "in the news" test for this specific event, but calling esports "minor" greatly misrepresents their role relative to video games when it comes to what would be an ITN aspect. --Masem (t) 12:44, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  The global market for cable cars is >$3 billion, soap is >$30 billion, and yoga is $90 billion. That doesn't mean we should be posting them in ITN. Your explanation for the lack of media interest is just special pleading. Modest Genius ^talk 11:20, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

  I'm not pleading about this being posting, I am opposing it still since there's no mainstream coverage of the event still as of today. But I do oppose calling it a niche sport considering some of the other athletic ITNRs we post. --Masem (t) 14:21, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

  I think a discussion of an update to WP:ROUTINE is in order - though there will be the question of which ones are notable: Overwatch World Cup? League of Legends World Championship? Pokémon World Tournament? etc. Plus, most Esports by design of the games don’t last more than a decade or so - at least none of note yet. Regarding media coverage, I’d say the more famous events are more covered than the less covered ITNR ones like The Boat Race or America's Cup. Juxlos (talk) 12:51, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  I've been arguing for years that the Boat Race should be removed. Modest Genius ^talk 11:20, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

  I think I actually opened a discussion around a year or so ago about which possible video game esports would be potential ITN topics. The International would definitely be one of them, but there absolutely has to be non-specialized coverage. Mainstream sources have covered The International before, so that's my expectation here. --Masem (t) 13:06, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose - E-sports in its current form will never get posted to ITN.--WaltCip-(talk) 12:43, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  This event was actually posted in 2016 and 2017. Can't link the archives because of the [] issue, but they're in the August 2016 and August 2017 sections. Banedon (talk) 13:52, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  We also blurbed the death of Carrie Fisher in that time, so the bar has certainly risen.  – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 17:44, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose – Largely absent from RS main sites. Lacks general significance. – Sca (talk) 13:14, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Purely due to no prose Results. To answer above concerns: there's no less than 6 RSs covering this, including very widely-read ones like MSN and Yahoo. I would like a genuine answer as to why these are not considered RSs, or why they are considered "specialized". There's a double superlative here: largest prize ever for an E-sport tournament and largest prize pool ever. I think that's enough to justify notability ex-ITNR. Asking why the developer is hosting a tournament is just silly. Who organizes FIFA? A group of disinterested parties?130.233.213.141 (talk) 13:44, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  I think the more apt comparison would be if the World Cup was organised by Adidas to advertise the Telstar 18; as for "not RS", I was referring to searching for broad coverage, which brings up Wikipedia, "Liquipedia", and Dota 2's homepage before any news sources. I have no issue with Yahoo but it was absent at the time. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 13:53, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Wait untill we see coverage in more news outlets. BBC, CNN, Euronews, Al-Jazeera, South China Morning Post seem to be completely silent on the topic Scaramouche33 (talk) 13:59, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose - Even as someone who plays video games, I cringe a bit when people try and put them up at the level of other sports, but the reality being Esports certainly can reach a level of notability that rivals other sports. The reason that nominations for ITN as far as Esports goes simply aren't up to snuff is kinda similar to some of the combat sports where you have to factor in the significance of every event. For example, if there was a single annual tournament recognizes as THE title event for a wide range of competitive games then that would certainly be worthy of ITN, but does Dota 2 Esports alone have enough significance? No, so that's my vote (and I would hope this sort of policy becomes precedent at some point) DarkSide830 (talk) 15:41, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose E-Sports is nowhere near the level of most actual sports and hasn't been covered in widespread media nearly enough. As an aside, cricket is regarded by many as the second most popular sport in the world and the last World Cup had 2.6 billion viewers and 8 million watched the final just from the UK. Terrible comparison. Jbvann05 16:48, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose 15000 page views per day isn't enough to make the "page views" argument. A better topic for DYK. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 16:52, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Weak Support I do agree with the idea that it's about time we start including some e-sports. E-sports are sports, and we have no problem posting sports to ITN. E-sports have large audiences, large revenues, and large purses. In some countries (Korea) e-sports attract a bigger audience than some sports on ITN/R. The only thing we're really lacking is an objective way to evaluate e-sports to determine which ones are ready to join the list of sports on ITN/R and which ones are not yet there. I don't have a solution for that, but hopefully someone else does. In terms of this specific blurb, however, the biggest purse in e-sports history pushes this into weak support territory for me, since purse size is one potential objective indicator of significance; but I'm open to hearing arguments either way. NorthernFalcon (talk) 18:16, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  I'm not convinced esports are a sport, but whatever they are called, there is no objective event held to determine who is the best- these events are usually held by gamemakers as promotional events for their individual games. 331dot (talk) 11:23, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose – Absent from main RS sites. Significance not apparent. Suggest close. – Sca (talk) 14:12, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

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(Closed) Earthshot Prize

No consensus to post. --Tone 16:55, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

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Article: Earthshot Prize (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​The country of Costa Rica is among the winners of the first ever Earthshot Prizes. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, NYTimes
Credits:

• Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Keivan.f (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Article is updated. Sherenk1 (talk) 05:26, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• My comment is only to question how major are these awards compared to the dozens of other environmental awards that are out there (it has news coverage, it has an updated article). I mean, each winner getting GBP 1 million is nothing to sneeze at, certainly, but given this is by a charity rather than, say, the UN, and doesn't have the test of time like the Nobels, I just have a bit of concern on how these are more significant than any other. --Masem (t) 05:37, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  Yeah, a new award in its first year is difficult to assess the significance of. They've got some celebrity involvement, certainly, but is that it? Do actual conservation scientists consider this the top award in their field? Modest Genius ^talk 12:16, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose More work is needed. For example, there's a simple grammatical error in the proposed blurb – are/is. And there's much more. In the case of the Nobel prizes, we expect to have articles about the winners and it's embarassing when we don't. But none of the winning schemes seem to have articles – there are no links in each category. Having links for the various celebrities and sponsors is not enough. For example, consider the case of Costa Rica. We have an article Deforestation in Costa Rica but there was no article about Reforestation in Costa Rica until I started one just now and that's still just a stub. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:04, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose – Not a notable project (with Shakira as one of the judges?) STSC (talk) 06:27, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  She's "offset" by David Attenborough, though, as far as eminence goes. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:59, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Comment – Largely absent from RS main sites. – Sca (talk) 12:06, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Eh? Name one. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:46, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
    • Whatever else anyone thinks about this, I think the BBC and NY Times are pretty mainstream. 331dot (talk) 13:48, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

      Absent from main pages of AP, NYT. - Sca (talk) 15:55, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

      On a 2 minute search, I've found BBC, Guardian, The Times (paywalled)], Euronews, Independent, Sky News. All of which are mainstream coverage of the event, and not all just copies of each other's articles (as sometimes happens for events). Joseph2302 (talk) 13:51, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

      Generally speaking, if you have to search for a topic to find it in the news, it's not major news. – Sca (talk) 15:59, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

      The "traditional" wire services (Reuters, AP, AFP) are also doing their thing. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:23, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose Prince William donates money and issues a press release. This is a grant named as a prize. Nothing here. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 16:50, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  According to the article, it's not his money, but funded by philanthropists and other charities. Modest Genius ^talk 16:48, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose less notable than the Esports prize which may or may not be newsworthy.  – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 17:46, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose -- this blurb really should explain *what* this prize is. -- Rockstone^{[Send me a message!]} 21:34, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

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RD: Sean Wainui

Article: Sean Wainui (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Stuff
Credits:

• Nominated by Nixinova (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Penguinmeadow (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: NZ rugby player. Start class, mostly referenced.  Nixinova   T   C   02:47, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Comment added BBC Sport article and referenced some bits using it. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:03, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support I see no reason to oppose Abcmaxx (talk) 09:02, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support - looks good to go.BabbaQ (talk) 09:51, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Opoose A couple of tagged unsources sentences.—Bagumba (talk) 11:42, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose too much unsourced, important content. Like source for how many appearances for NZ U20. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:48, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

October 17

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(Posted) RD: Brendan Kennelly

Article: Brendan Kennelly (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News; The Irish Times; Irish Independent
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 23:35, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support - Fully sourced. Ready to go.--Kacamata! ^Dimmi!!! 00:34, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posted --PFHLai (talk) 01:42, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

2020 Thomas & Uber Cup

Article: 2020 Thomas & Uber Cup (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​In badminton, Indonesia and China respectively win the Thomas & Uber Cup in Aarhus, Denmark. (Post)
News source(s): [10]
Credits:

• Nominated by Juxlos (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 Juxlos (talk) 12:58, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Comment needs some sort of summary of the tournaments. Right now, for the tournament itself, we only have tables and knockout brackets, but this is insufficient article quality for an ITN posting. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:07, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Virtually the entire article is cited to primary sources (BWF and regional bodies) or something called "tournament software" which does not have any indication of being a reliable, independent source. GreatCaesarsGhost 02:22, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Not ready. There is no prose at all on what happened at the tournament. There needs to be at least one fully-referenced paragraph describing the event, who won etc. We never post articles that are just results tables. Modest Genius ^talk 13:01, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) 2021 Cape Verdean presidential election

Article: 2021 Cape Verdean presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​PAICV candidate José Maria Neves is elected President of Cape Verde. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by Kacamata (talk · give credit)
• Created by JPxG (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: With 97% of the of votes counted, it's almost sure that Neves will be elected. Kacamata! ^Dimmi!!! 22:14, 17 October 2021 (UTC) PS: Several Portuguese media outlets (see here, here) are reporting Neves as the winner.--Kacamata! ^Dimmi!!! 00:08, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support Change of head of state, ITN/R This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 00:46, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support; changes to a countries head of state tend to be sufficiently notable for ITN. BilledMammal (talk) 00:48, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• The article is short and needs at least some prose in the results section, as well as reactions. Then, it is ITNR, so it can be posted when meeting the standards. --Tone 07:46, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Also, José Maria Neves needs more citations. Joofjoof (talk) 09:32, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support pending improvements - Notability is a given and doesn't need to be discussed; the article isn't in a horrible state, but it is a little too slim to be ready. It could benefit from more text in the campaign subsection.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 03:03, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support per others. Heythereimaguy (talk) 23:05, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment - Tone and Vanilla Wizard I added some info on the results and aftermath section. I don't use to write many election articles, but I've tried my best.--Kacamata! ^Dimmi!!! 01:47, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posting. Still very short but the basics are there. --Tone 08:38, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

October 16

Portal:Current events/2021 October 16

Current events of October 16, 2021 (2021-10-16) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Afghanistan conflict 2021 Kandahar bombing, 2021 Kunduz mosque bombing The Taliban says that they will step up security at Shi'ite mosques after IS-KP bombed mosques in Kunduz and Kandahar this month, killing over 120 people in total. (Reuters) Insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir Two workers are killed by gunmen in Srinagar and Pulwama, Jammu and Kashmir, in a spike of civilians being killed by rebels in the area. (Greater Kashmir) A Lashkar-e-Taiba commander and another militant are killed during a gunfight with security forces in Pulwama. The killed commander, who was involved in the murder of two policemen, was among the top 10 targets of Jammu and Kashmir police. It is also announced that two more rebels, involved in the recent killings of civilians, were killed yesterday during a gunfight in Srinagar. (India Today) Boko Haram insurgency Twenty Boko Haram militants and three Nigerian Army soldiers are killed during a gunfight as the military has tried to recapture the Nigerian town of Maiduguri. (Sahara Reporters) Killing of David Amess Yesterday's killing of MP Sir David Amess, who was stabbed to death in a Methodist church in Leigh-on-Sea, Essex, is declared as a terrorist incident by police. (BBC News) Disasters and accidents 2021 Bali earthquake Three people are killed and seven are injured as a 4.8 earthquake hits Bali, Indonesia. (Al Jazeera) Eleven people drown during a school outing for a river clean-up in West Java, Indonesia. (Al Jazeera) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Australia COVID-19 pandemic in Tasmania Southern Tasmania, including the state capital of Hobart, enters a lockdown after an increase in locally transmitted COVID-19 cases. (The Guardian) COVID-19 pandemic in Russia Russia reports a record for the fourth consecutive day of 1,002 deaths from COVID-19, which is the first time that the country has reported more than 1,000 COVID-related deaths in a single day since the pandemic began. Only 32% of the population has been fully vaccinated, amid wide distrust in vaccines. (France 24) Law and crime Hong Kong national security law Seven activists are sentenced to prison terms ranging from six to twelve months' imprisonment for protesting against the national security law in July 2020. Among those sentenced are Leung Kwok-hung and Figo Chan. Leung is currently serving two sentences of 18 months' imprisonment for other charges and Chan is currently serving a sentence of 18 months' imprisonment for unauthorized assembly. (Al Jazeera) (RTHK) Argentine federal judge María Romilda Servini indicts post Franco-era Spanish minister Rodolfo Martín Villa on four counts of homicide. Villa, who resides in Spain, says that he will appeal the decision of the Argentine judge. (SwissInfo) An unidentified armed gang kidnaps 15 American missionaries and their families in Port-au-Prince, Haiti. (AFP via Barron's) Colombian businessman Alex Saab is extradited to the United States from Cape Verde ahead of an initial court appearance in Florida on October 18 over his alleged money laundering for the Venezuelan government. (AFP via Deccan Herald) Politics and elections French president Emmanuel Macron condemns the Paris massacre of 1961 on the eve of its 60th anniversary, but does not issue a formal apology. Macron is the first French president to attend a memorial ceremony for the victims. (AFP via WION) Science and technology Chinese space program Shenzhou 13 launches on a Long March 2F rocket from the Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center in the Gobi Desert, Inner Mongolia, for the Tianhe core module of the Tiangong space station, where the crew will stay for six months. It will be China's longest crewed mission to date. (AFP via NDTV) Discovery Program Lucy, a NASA spacecraft that will visit Jupiter's trojan asteroids in twelve years, launches at 05:34 EDT from Cape Canaveral, Florida. (CNN)

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(Posted) RD: Dennis Franks

Article: Dennis Franks (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Detroit News
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 07:47, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

• Long enough and has footnotes at the expected spots, this wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 10:35, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 03:12, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Betty Lynn

Article: Betty Lynn (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press; CNN; USA Today
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 07:49, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support - fully sourced. And ready.BabbaQ (talk) 09:52, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posted after removing an empty "See also" section. Thryduulf (talk) 13:16, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Leo Boivin

Article: Leo Boivin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NHL.com; Ottawa Citizen; Sports Illustrated
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 04:25, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support Seems to be properly referenced Scaramouche33 (talk) 08:23, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posted --PFHLai (talk) 19:33, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

(Closed) Striketober

Consensus will not develop to post this. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 00:57, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

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Article: Striketober (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, France24, New York, NPR, NBC News
Credits:

• Nominated by WMrapids (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: One of the largest labor strike waves in the United States in the nation's recent history. Hundreds of thousands of workers in the United States are participating or planning for strikes. This includes the 2021 John Deere strike, 2021 Kellogg's strike and 2021 IATSE strike.--WMrapids (talk) 04:06, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose Unless the strikes are large enough to paralyze the US economy and bring the government to the negotiating table, I doubt it's going to have a lasting impact. Also the article could use some work, for example there's no mention of the Taft-Hartley Act in the background section (Although I'm not sure if a background section talking about the history of labor unions in the US is really that necessary) Scaramouche33 (talk) 08:24, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment. This sounds like it might be better for Ongoing, although I'm not certain the article would be updated consistently. 331dot (talk) 08:37, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose not enough coverage for ITN, which isn't intended to be a republishing of an American news website. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:10, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

  Joseph2302 As noted above, "Please do not oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive." 331dot (talk) 09:27, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

  I'm opposing because it's not important enough. If this wasn't in the US, nobody would consider nominating it, it's just one of the way too many not important US-centric nominations. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:53, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

  That's it Joseph... _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 13:10, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

  Joseph2302 My comment still stands. If you would like to see more non-US items posted, please nominate them. We can only consider what is nominated. 331dot (talk) 21:45, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose per Joseph and Scaramouch. Come on…strikes happens everywhere! Also the general ones. Unnotable (per now). _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 09:35, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Not important enough. Tradedia^talk 10:50, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment – So far largely absent from main RS news sites. – Sca (talk) 11:50, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
• Clarification – @Sca:, @Tradedia:, @Alsoriano97:, @Joseph2302:, @331dot:, my intention was to make this an ongoing nomination (that's why I didn't include a blurb). The ITN template has been updated, my mistake. Just wanted to ping you all in case you had a different opinion on including this as an ongoing news event.--WMrapids (talk) 13:49, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
  • I appreciate your good faith, but I still oppose this nomination. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 15:46, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
    • Still oppose ongoing. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:01, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose It feels like even the major news sources consider the connection between these strikes as somewhat coincidental (but there are reasons for common timing), and as such, so far not a major news story in of itself. --Masem (t) 15:59, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose - with thanks to the good faith nom, but Ongoing nominations still need to satisfy the same newsworthiness criteria as blurb items; and under most circumstances they would start life as a blurb anyway, rolling onto Ongoing when they reach the bottom of the list if they're still receiving regular updattes.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:02, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Good faith no, but only the individual strikes should count if they do at all This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 00:44, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

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RD: Alan Hawkshaw

Article: Alan Hawkshaw (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Blythwood (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Composer of the Countdown theme. Needs quite a bit of work. Blythwood (talk) 22:23, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

October 15

Portal:Current events/2021 October 15

Current events of October 15, 2021 (2021-10-15) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Afghanistan conflict 2021 Kandahar bombing Three suicide bombers attack a Shiite mosque in Kandahar, Afghanistan, killing 47 people and injuring 70 others. The explosions occur at the main door and inside the mosque. Taliban authorities later arrived and secured the mosque. Taliban interior ministry spokesman Qari Saeed Khosti says that authorities are currently collecting evidence in order to determine responsibility for the bombing. (Al Jazeera) ISIL-K claims responsibility for the attack, reporting that two attackers shot and killed security guards outside the mosque before blowing themselves up inside, where people were worshipping. (Reuters) Withdrawal of United States troops from Afghanistan United States Marine Corps lieutenant colonel Stuart Scheller is reprimanded by a military judge following his criticism of the U.S. military’s handling of the withdrawal from Afghanistan. (ABC News) Killing of David Amess David Amess, United Kingdom MP for Southend West, is stabbed to death in Leigh-on-Sea, Essex, while meeting constituents at Belfairs Methodist Church. The suspect was arrested at the scene, and police are not looking for anyone else in connection with the incident. (BBC News) (BBC News) Anglophone Crisis A Cameroonian policeman is lynched by a mob after he killed a five-year-old girl at a checkpoint in Buea Southwest Region. Protests involving hundreds of people occurred after the killing of the child. (The Guardian) Central African Republic Civil War President Faustin-Archange Touadéra declares a unilateral ceasefire with the Coalition of Patriots for Change and the anti-balaka militia groups. (AFP via Barron's) Disasters and accidents Four migrants are found dead by the Spanish Maritime Safety and Rescue Society in the Mediterranean Sea off the coast of Cape Trafalgar in the Province of Cádiz after their boat sank. The coast guard reports that 21 others from the boat are missing. (AFP via i24 News) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Asia COVID-19 pandemic in Brunei Brunei surpasses 10,000 cases of COVID-19 after reporting a record 423 new cases in the past 24 hours. (The Scoop) COVID-19 pandemic in India India is expected to reopen its borders to overseas travellers as it relaxes COVID-19-related restrictions amid a decrease in the number of new cases. (BBC News) COVID-19 pandemic in the Philippines, COVID-19 community quarantines in the Philippines The Inter-Agency Task Force for the Management of Emerging Infectious Diseases announces that the National Capital Region will be downgraded to Alert Level 3 beginning on October 16, which will allow cinemas and theme parks to reopen for the first time since March 2020. (Rappler) COVID-19 pandemic in South Korea, COVID-19 vaccination in South Korea President Moon Jae-in and first lady Kim Jung-sook receive booster doses of the COVID-19 vaccine. (Yonhap News Agency) COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in Belgium The Brussels-Capital Region expands the use of the COVID Safe Ticket to the hospitality industry, sports centres, and indoor events with more than 50 people. (The Brussels Times) COVID-19 pandemic in Italy Italy's Green Pass becomes mandatory for all workplaces, but there are fears of disruption among transport workers and at ports where COVID-19 vaccination rates are relatively low. (BBC News) COVID-19 pandemic in Russia Russia reports a record for the fourth consecutive day of 999 deaths from COVID-19 in the past 24 hours, thereby bringing the nationwide death toll to 221,313. The country also reports a record for the second consecutive day of 32,196 new cases of COVID-19 in the past 24 hours, thereby bringing the nationwide total of confirmed cases to 7.92 million. (Interfax) COVID-19 pandemic in Oceania COVID-19 pandemic in Australia COVID-19 pandemic in Victoria A COVID-19 vaccination mandate comes into effect in Victoria, with all essential workers required to have at least one dose of a World Health Organization-approved vaccine to continue working. (The Guardian Australia) COVID-19 pandemic in Papua New Guinea The COVID-19 crisis worsens in Papua New Guinea, as the government seeks international help in order to combat the increase in new cases and deaths. The government has admitted to a slow response to the crisis and also blames vaccine hesitancy as part of the problem. The World Health Organization has agreed to help the country. (RNZ) COVID-19 pandemic in Canada COVID-19 pandemic in Yukon Yukon imposes a COVID-19 vaccine mandate for sports facilities, restaurants and other non-essential services. The mandate will take effect on November 30. (Yukon News) International relations 2021 Myanmar protests During an online emergency meeting, the foreign ministers of the ASEAN agree to exclude Myanmar's military junta chief Min Aung Hlaing from the upcoming ASEAN Summit to be held later this month. The country will instead be represented by non-political representative at the summit. (AFP via Al Arabiya) Paramount leader Xi Jinping of the People's Republic of China will not attend in person the Cop26 climate change conference in Glasgow, as it's told to UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson. The announcement comes amid international pessimism that, now compounded by the absence of China, a global leader in pollution and greenhouse gas emissions, the event would not result in any substantiative change. (Reuters) Law and crime Masten Wanjala, the Kenyan suspected serial killer of 14 boys, who escaped from prison two days ago, is murdered by lynching by a mob of villagers in Bungoma. Wanjala was hiding at his parents' home when he was identified by neighbours. (BBC News)

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(Posted) RD: Gerd Ruge

Article: Gerd Ruge (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Die Zeit; Der Spiegel
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Ktin (talk · give credit) and Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German journalist, author and filmmaker. He was considered a reporter legend. Grimes2 (talk) 15:55, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

• Suggestion: With under 1600 characters of prose, this wikibio looks rather stubby. Perhaps the "important reports" can be incorporated into the prose to make it less stubby? --PFHLai (talk) 01:51, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

  Thanks PFHLai, Expanded the article and has now shaped into a C-class biography. Can expand further, but, the article meets hygiene expectations for homepage / RD in its current form. Ktin (talk) 04:51, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

  6000+ characters now! That's an impressive growth just overnight! --PFHLai (talk) 15:05, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support The article is in good shape and well-referenced. Hanamanteo (talk) 06:03, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posted --PFHLai (talk) 15:05, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) Tropical Storm Kompasu

Article: Tropical Storm Kompasu (2021) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​Severe Tropical Storm Kompasu kills 40 people in the Philippines and Hong Kong. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​Severe Tropical Storm Kompasu causes severe agricultural damage and flooding in the Philippines, killing 39 people.
News source(s): AlJazeera, DW
Credits:

• Nominated by Destroyeraa (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Caused nearly php3 billion in agricultural damage in the Philippines. Will likely be retired. Destroyer (Alternate account) 21:28, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose $20 million USD isn't that much damage, and the death toll is routine for this part of the season. Damage is missing for Hainan and the rest of Southeast Asia. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 00:48, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
  • @Nova Crystallis: php 2.97 Billion ($58 million USD) is a lot of damage to a developing country that is heavily reliant on agriculture. More than a billion php in losses in the agricultural sector. Will update the article. Destroyer (Alternate account) 01:24, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support though with updates that Destroyeraa stated they will add and of course pending additions. --Masem (t) 02:40, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support We've posted stuff like this before. Heythereimaguy (talk) 17:28, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support – A significant storm badly affecting the region. STSC (talk) 20:18, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose storm season is storm season and this one isn’t bad enough to even make the Asia page of BBC news. Kingsif (talk) 21:31, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
• Note @Nova Crystallis and Masem: Updates have been made, Hainan impact added. Destroyer (Alternate account) 22:19, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support death toll is clearly notable, and this is the fourth-deadliest tropical cyclone of the year so far. Article quality is more than sufficient for ITN. NorthernFalcon (talk) 01:58, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support – After a period of consideration, I've come to the conclusion that this storm is notable enough for an ITN posting. Sure, this storm may be seem like a lot to some people, but it has a significant death toll, and it did a substantial amount of agricultural damage in the Philippines, in addition to having notable impacts elsewhere. Also, NorthernFalcon is right in pointing out that Kompasu is currently the 4th-deadliest tropical cyclone in 2021. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 22:18, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment this storm dissipated on 14 October, I don't see how it's still a current event for ITN? If nominated a week ago, I would have supported, but it seems stale to me (unless anyone can convince me otherwise?) Joseph2302 (talk) 23:14, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
  • I can stick this in as the 4th item on ITN, I suppose. Any more SUPPORT votes? --PFHLai (talk) 23:59, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
    • @Joseph2302 and PFHLai: It takes time for recovery services to fully assess the level of damage and provide an accurate death toll. For example, Hurricane Ida was posted a week after landfall. Destroyer (Alternate account) 21:32, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
      • @Destroyeraa and Destroyeraa-alt: I understand and I don't mind waiting a bit. I am hoping for more support votes to come in soon and raise the Support/Oppose higher, before this items becomes too old to displace the oldest item on ITN. --PFHLai (talk) 23:50, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support Per support comments above. SodaSoummelier (talk) 00:45, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Tropical Storm Choi-wan (2021) killed 11, this one killed 40. We don't have a minimum deaths for notability and nothing in the article says this is anything other than a routine storm tragically killing 40 people in a developing country with lax building codes and enforcement where sadly higher death tolls are to be expected. Can someone tell me what makes Choi-wan unusual other than some arbitrary death toll? --LaserLegs (talk) 01:37, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Regardless of reasons, 40 is still a high and noteworthy death toll. Not sure what Choi-wan has to do with this here. I'm not following. --PFHLai (talk) 01:47, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
    • Why is 40 a high and noteworthy death toll? Would 38 have been? Why is 40 the magic number? What circumstances around this particular storm make 40 high and noteworthy? --LaserLegs (talk) 12:47, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
      • Even 37 works for me. There is no magic threshold number. If you want to know why this is noteworthy, click and read. It's news. And the wikiarticle is updated to reflect what happened. Good enough for ITN. --PFHLai (talk) 17:16, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
        • @LaserLegs: Kompasu is the deadliest and most damaging storm this year so far in the Philippines. Having caused nearly php4 billion in damage, it will certainly get retired. Choi-wan was not posted because it was a run-of-the-mill storm. Destroyer (Alternate account) 21:32, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
          • Typhoon Molave killed 27 last year. Seems totally routine. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:10, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
            • "Seems totally routine" for an appearance on ITN, I suppose. --PFHLai (talk) 01:30, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posted. Spencer^T•C 02:27, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) 2021 Indian Premier League Final

Article: 2021 Indian Premier League Final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​In cricket, Chennai Super Kings win the Indian Premier League. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​In cricket, the Indian Premier League concludes with Chennai Super Kings defeating Kolkata Knight Riders in the final.
News source(s): ESPNCricinfo
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Kirubar (talk · give credit) and Clog Wolf (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: ITNR. Article requires some prose updates and should be ready soon. Prose added. Article looks good for homepage. Ktin (talk) 17:57, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose almost no prose in there at all. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:08, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

  @The Rambling Man:, thanks. Prose updates for the match have been completed. If there is anything else that is required, please do let know. Ktin (talk) 20:35, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support. Article has been expanded, and its inclusion would be in line with precedent set by the inclusion of events such as Super Bowl LV. Unrelated to my support, and on the topic of the article - it might be worth explaining why it was played in Dubai rather than India. I assume that this is due to COVID, but it would be good if the article clarified. BilledMammal (talk) 00:53, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support - Article looks great! Sherenk1 (talk) 02:11, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support Article in good shape. Wizardoftheyear (talk) 02:29, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support article looks fine as it has a match summary. ALT1 follows our normal postings for sports matches with finals, ALT0 is an WP:EASTEREGG link to the article on the final. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:12, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posted --PFHLai (talk) 11:45, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) Killing of David Amess

It's been posted, other such similar events can be discussed at a more appropriate venue. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:06, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

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Article: Killing of David Amess (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​British Member of Parliament Sir David Amess (pictured) dies after being stabbed during a constituency meeting. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, The Guardian, CNN, AP, Reuters, BBC (2), Sydney Morning Herald
Credits:

• Nominated by Calidum (talk · give credit)
• Created by No Swan So Fine (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Kingsif (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: The story is developing so the target article isn't quite up to date. I believe this is newsworthy regardless of the severity of his injuries. We did post the Congressional baseball shooting in 2017 for reference. -- Calidum 13:38, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

• Wait We don't yet know the extent of his injuries, and the article is still a stub.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:40, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment We also posted the murder of MP Cox in 2016. Attacks on legislators are rare in most western democracies. 331dot (talk) 13:54, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Wait to see the outcome/extent of his injuries. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:56, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose – One person injured killed wouldn't make the grade, no matter how extraordinary the circumstances, unless it could be shown that organized terrorism was involved. – Sca (talk) 14:00, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

  I don't think it has to be terrorism, but any deliberate attack. Just my opinion. 331dot (talk) 14:04, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

  For what it's worth, if the attack was because he was an MP or because of his political views, that qualifies as terrorism under UK law. Though the murderer of Jo Cox wasn't actually charged under terrorism, he was dealt with throughout the trial as a terrorism case. -- KTC (talk) 14:27, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

  Well, Wiki/ITN isn't governed by UK law. – Sca (talk) 14:39, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

  Surely anywhere in the world the assassination of a member of a legislature is considered to be an attack on the state and hence terrorism? This isn’t a question of law it is a question of notability. -- keirstitt (talk) 15:12, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose on article quality of bolded article. Article is barely longer than a stub, and contains next to no useful information beyond what would be included in a blurb. Would support if there were a more detailed article to highlight on the main page. --Jayron32 14:07, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

  Change to support Article has developed to a point where it is acceptable to the main page. It should probably still keep being expanded as more information becomes available, but it is already in a better state than it was when I first assessed it. --Jayron32 16:20, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

• He's dead. Leaky caldron (talk) 14:14, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

  And someone's been arrested. [11] [12] [13] – Sca (talk) 14:20, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support in principle as we posted MP Jo Cox. But article will need more expansion once more information is known about the circumstances- I'm sure news sites like the BBC will do comprehensive articles about it in the next couple of hours. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:22, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. It would be odd for me to simultaneously oppose a bow and arrow attack that kills 5 while supporting a knife attack that kills 1. Each is a tragedy, nobody likes to see loss of life, but with all due respect to Amess I don't see his notability as rising to the level at which we'd automatically post (e.g. if he was a top government official or something).  — Amakuru (talk) 14:24, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support since he tragically died. Murders of sitting national legislators are rare. That said the article should not be titled "murder" yet.(update: it's not, didn't realize it was a redirect) 331dot (talk) 14:28, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Wait as quality of the article, particularly his political career, needs improvement - particularly the area currently tagged "one source". Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:33, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support in principle, per prior precedent, and it is currently receiving international coverage, with a red breaking news banner on both the NBC and CNN websites.Jackattack1597 (talk) 14:37, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

  Spot news. – Sca (talk) 14:41, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support in principle but the article quality is not there yet. -- Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:40, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

  Full support now it's been expanded.Pawnkingthree (talk) 18:22, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

• RD only as he does not rise to the significance level required for a blurb, even given the unusual circumstances of this death.--WaltCip-(talk) 14:42, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

  You are kidding right? A Member of Parliament has been assassinated. This is a "death is the story" nomination. -- Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:44, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support in principle -- KTC (talk) 14:43, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support – RD only – Per Walt. – Sca (talk) 14:45, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support: High profile assassination. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 14:48, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support blurb, highly uncommon event; circumstances of the death are the story. Connormah (talk) 14:55, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support blurb This is definitely Jo Cox and 1/6 level.  – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 15:03, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support blurb (edit conflict) As with all instances where the story in the news is about the death, rather than about the person once they have died, we should consider a blurb. Since this is the assassination of a sitting lawmaker in a peaceful nation, the news rises to notability for inclusion. I don’t think we need to consider the case of Jo Cox when making that decision, but her assassination (and I am surprised the articles aren’t titled that way) was posted. I think anyone saying RD only is deliberately ignoring the point of deaths being blurbed and are looking at the person’s individual notability rather than the actual news story. Amess didnt die of natural causes, it’s a political assassination. For another comparison, 1/6 could arguably be boiled down to an attempted assassination of politicians, and none died but the significance of its occurrence in a relatively peaceful nation was the news. Kingsif (talk) 15:08, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
  • You're conflating two separate concepts. A blurb nom for any story must be deemed sufficiently significant by consensus. If the are not blurbed, then we can post an RD as applicable. But it doesn't work the other way: we don't automatically post a blurb because an RD-eligible subject is murdered. GreatCaesarsGhost 15:31, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
    • I wasn’t saying automatically blurb any death that has a story, I was saying we must consider blurbs for them, then said this one was notable because of the political angle. I very separately noted that the calls for only an RD were making the argument that Amess isn’t notable enough on his own for a blurb, which I agree with, if he had died of natural causes, but he isn’t the subject. I hope this is clear if my original comment somehow wasn’t; I agree with you, you misunderstood me. Kingsif (talk) 16:25, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
  • I'm not sure it's appropriate in any case to list a murder as an RD. If an RD eligible person is murdered then the murder would always be a notable story in itself, if not then they wouldn't be RD eligible either. - keirstitt (talk) 15:12, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment This incident seems similar to the 2011 Tucson shooting, which was posted to ITN as a blurb (granted over 10 years ago). Stabbing of David Amess is a stub and not presently postable though. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:11, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

  And Giffords didn’t even die! On a less plain note, I thought an above comment said it was no longer a stub? Kingsif (talk) 15:15, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

  Six people did though. It says 957 B (162 words) "readable prose size" as it doesn't count the bulleted "responses", and I wouldn't either. I support in principle but no rush. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:20, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support blurb in principle but wait for details to be released and the article to develop. At present it has just three sentences on what actually happened. He only died an hour ago, we can wait a bit longer for information to be released. Modest Genius ^talk 15:14, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support on principle but Oppose on current article quality. The article is bloated with response and thin on the details that we need for this. --Masem (t) 15:15, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support - a major event. GiantSnowman 15:19, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support blurb in principle extremely rare for a politician in a western democracy to be assassinated. Steelkamp (talk) 15:20, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. People get stabbed all the time, sadly, and he was a relatively low-profile politician, certainly not somebody at the Thatcher or Mandela level whose death we'd note in a blurb if he had died in any other manner. Sandstein 15:21, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
  • That "Mandela/Thatcher line" is for when the death is of natural causes, not when the death itself is the story. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:23, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Do sitting legislators get stabbed all the time? -- Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:25, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
    • No, but the story is a cross-section of common events: knife murder (common) and low-level politician dies (also common); combining the two, even if rare in combination, does not make for main-page material. Sandstein 16:28, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
      • Can you recall, specifically, the last murder of a sitting politician which was raised here and not posted? I'm just wondering if they're really that common. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 16:30, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

        Well, there is the List of assassinated serving British MPs, so it seems to be not that uncommon even in the UK. And I don't think that I'm committing too much OR by assuming that in certain conflict-prone regions of the world (e.g. Afghanistan) MPs are murdered with rather more regularity, but I haven't seen loads of Wikipedians wanting to post those cases here. One might call this systemic bias. (And if we go by rarity, we should cover the murdering MPs, not the murdered MPs.) Sandstein 17:15, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

        Nine in over two centuries (and that's just counting from the first instance, not from the beginning of parliament) feels like it is uncommon, if anything. And to your second point, if you want to nominate one of those instances then we can post it, but "no one asked for X, so we shouldn't do Y either" is a far cry from sound logic. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 17:24, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

      • (ec) I don't think a sitting member of a national legislature is "low level". He had also been an MP since 1997, and was well known and regarded from what I read; he had been knighted for his service. 331dot (talk) 16:31, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment – At 151 words of text, article is a stub, barely half a stub at that. At this pt. not eligible for a blurb, only RD. – Sca (talk) 15:35, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

  @Sca: We understand you don't think this should be posted as a blurb. You don't have to say it 3 times. -- KTC (talk) 15:49, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

  It certainly is eligible for a blurb, as the nomination is for his death, a murder of a sitting member of a national legislature, as an event itself, not just him. 331dot (talk) 15:51, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

  Now it's a tad over 400 words, ergo technically eligible for a blurb, although on the thin side for one. – Sca (talk) 17:08, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support blurb the assassination of a federal elected official is more significant than a run-of-the-mill murder, and merits a blurb. Article appears to have been expanded recently, and should now meet the quality requirements for a blurb. NorthernFalcon (talk) 15:56, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support A knighted MP who has been in Parliament for over 38 years is not a low-profile politician and cannot be dismissed on the basis that "people get stabbed all the time". Leaky caldron (talk) 15:58, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support The assassination of a Member of Parliament is a major story. Saying "people get stabbed all the time" is, quite frankly, offensive. GreebleNeeble (talk) 16:13, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment. Article retitled. 331dot (talk) 16:19, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Weak oppose I find it hard to believe that if he were a member of parliament in another country he wouldn't even have the coverage he has and wouldn't even be nominated. And my opinion would be the same. The assassination of a lawmaker does not seem so notorious to me, because, however important his office may be, Amess was "just another one", not a parliamentary leader or a party leader. Not all MPs have the same relevance, so not all should be given the same relevance. RIP._-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 16:33, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
  • It was the British equivalent of a US congressman being killed at a rally. Maybe in nations with more polemic politics such a thing is commonplace, but I can’t think of a one. Kingsif (talk) 17:34, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support - the killing of a lawmaker in a country where it rarely happens is inherently notable enough for ITN. If this happened in the US or Canada, I'd also support posting it. --Rockstone^{[Send me a message!]} 16:36, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
  • In which country is the murder of lawmakers a national sport? _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 16:41, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support RD, neutral on blurb - definitely notable enough for RD. A blurb? Not too sure. Heythereimaguy (talk) 16:40, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support RD, oppose blurb. Major story in the UK and a story internationally, but the killing of an individual representative who is not in their country's government cabinet does not rise to blurb level. Cox may have been a blurb but the discussion was hardly one of overwhelming consensus. — Bilorv (talk) 16:42, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support blurb Political violence, much less outright assassination is extremely rare in the UK. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:43, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment Assassination of MPs is almost unheard of in the UK so when it occurs, it's a huge story. As seen on List_of_serving_British_MPs_who_were_assassinated there have been nine in our history and five of those were related to The_Troubles. This is a big deal and should be treated as such. GreebleNeeble (talk) 16:46, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support blurb and/or RD This is a serious high profile issue, assassination of British MPs are rare and we have precidence for this as we posted Jo Cox's murder. I would support the blurb and the article is well sourced enough for an RD at least. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 17:09, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support blurb - Murder of a politician is unusual in Europe. High profile.BabbaQ (talk) 17:17, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support blurb as per The C of E. --LukeSurl ^t c 17:50, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support blurb but don't forget to add the 'Sir' honorific before his name. ♦ jaguar 17:57, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Added it in. Heythereimaguy (talk) 18:04, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
    • Per MOS:SIR, his knighthood is an honorary one (according to the Knight Bachelor page), so we should not include "Sir" in front of his name (at least, if I am reading that correctly, I may be wrong). --Masem (t) 18:07, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
      • Honorary knighthoods are given to those who are not British citizens. "Sir" in front of his name is correct usage.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 18:34, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment Is there any reason we cannot also make his bio article bolded? The only major issue right now on it is the "Current event" tag on the death section, which is not a critical quality issue. --Masem (t) 18:09, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment – Discussion totals 2,500 words. Seems time for an uninvolved admin to do something with this nom. – Sca (talk) 18:12, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posted. Black Kite (talk) 18:26, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment Last major English political figure stabbed in a church was 715 years ago. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:31, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
  • And that was not in England? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:36, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
    • OK, 841 years, if you're going to demand historical realism. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:00, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

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Beirut clashes

Article: 2021 Beirut clashes (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​In Beirut, a series of violent clashes leave 6 people killed and 32 injured. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera NYT CNN
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by TootsieRollsAddict (talk · give credit)
• Created by Maestoic (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Worst street violence in Lebanon since 2008. Notable enough. TootsieRollsAddict (talk to me pls I am lonely) 00:06, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support in principle. However, the article should be expanded with more content on the actual clashes and consequences.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:45, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Weak oppose for now based on quality. The article has a "timeline" section that only has one event. That's... not right. If this is a series and not an event, it should, you know, actually cover the whole series. --Jayron32 14:08, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality way short of a substantial enough article for the front page. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:00, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Weak oppose still tagged as a stub, although it's probably just beyond that. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:07, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose "The article has a timeline section that only has one event" because it is only one isolated event. No evidence of lasting significance. Notable enough for an article but not for an ITN. Tradedia^talk 23:37, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

October 14

Portal:Current events/2021 October 14

Current events of October 14, 2021 (2021-10-14) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2021 Beirut clashes Six people are killed and 32 more are injured during a shooting at a protest in Beirut, Lebanon, against the judge investigating the 2020 port explosion. Hezbollah and Amal accused the attackers of being members of the Christian Lebanese Forces. Clashes occurred for hours afterwards between the militias involving snipers, pistols, Kalashnikov rifles and rocket-propelled grenades even after the army was deployed. (BBC News) Kongsberg attack The man accused of killing five people and injuring three more yesterday in the streets of Kongsberg, Viken, Norway, using a bow and arrow, is identified as a 37-year-old Norwegian man and convert to Islam with Danish citizenship, who police had been concerned about regarding radicalization. (Reuters) Insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir Four Indian soldiers are killed during a gunfight with rebels in a forest in Mendhar, Jammu and Kashmir. (Greater Kashmir) Islamic State–Taliban conflict A Taliban police commander is killed and 11 more people are wounded as a bomb targeting the commander's vehicle explode in Shigal District, Afghanistan. (The Defense Post) The Nigerian Army confirms that Abu Musab al-Barnawi, the leader of ISWAP, died two months ago. However, the circumstances of al-Barnawi's death are not clear. (BBC News) Business and economy Brazil's Central Bank sells US$1 billion to offset declines in the real, which has fallen ⅓ relative to the dollar in 2021 alone, with another US$1 billion in sales scheduled for later today. (Mercopress) LinkedIn announces that it will shut down its social media services in China later this year, citing heavy-handed compliance requirements from the government, and will replace it with a traditional job-listing site. LinkedIn was the only major Western-based social media site to legally operate within the country prior to the announcement. (BBC News) Disasters and accidents 2021 Kaohsiung tower fire At least 46 people are killed and 79 others are injured in a fire at a 13-storey tower block in Kaohsiung, Taiwan. (BBC News) Aftermath of Lion Air Flight 610 and Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 A former Boeing chief test pilot is indicted by a United States grand jury for deceiving the Federal Aviation Administration during the certification process for the Boeing 737 MAX aircraft, which resulted in two fatal crashes and a subsequent grounding of the aircraft. (AFP via The Australian) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Asia COVID-19 pandemic in Indonesia, Travel restrictions related to the COVID-19 pandemic Bali reopens its borders to fully vaccinated travellers from 19 countries that met WHO's criteria as the number of COVID-19 cases declines in Indonesia. (AP) COVID-19 pandemic in Singapore Singapore reports a record 15 deaths from COVID-19 in the past 24 hours, thereby bringing the nationwide death toll to 207. (The Straits Times) COVID-19 pandemic in Vietnam, COVID-19 vaccination in Vietnam The Vietnamese Ministry of Health approves vaccination against COVID-19 for children between the ages of 12 and 17 years old, with those aged 16 to 17 years old receiving priority before vaccination expands to other age groups. (Vietnam Plus) COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in Latvia President Egils Levits tests positive for COVID-19 after returning from a trip to Denmark and Sweden despite being fully vaccinated, prompting his Finnish counterpart Sauli Niinisto to self-isolate. (AFP via Barron's) COVID-19 pandemic in Russia Russia reports a record for the third consecutive day of 986 deaths from COVID-19, thereby bringing the nationwide death toll to 220,315. The country also reports a record 31,299 new cases of COVID-19 in the past 24 hours, thereby bringing the nationwide total of confirmed cases to 7,892,980. (Interfax) COVID-19 pandemic in Australia COVID-19 pandemic in Victoria Victoria reports a record 2,297 new cases and 11 deaths from COVID-19 in the past 24 hours, which is the highest daily total of any state of Australia since the beginning of the pandemic. Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews announces that the state will continue to reopen based on vaccination rates. (The Guardian) Law and crime Armenia–Azerbaijan relations Armenia expands its case before the International Court of Justice against Azerbaijan, accusing Azerbaijan of violating the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination, to which both states are signatories, for allegedly promoting ethnic hatred against Armenians. Azerbaijan denies the accusation and accuses Armenia of violating the treaty. (Reuters) Murder of Giulio Regeni, Egypt–Italy relations An Italian court in Rome drops charges against four Egyptian police officers for the 2016 murder of Italian PhD student Giulio Regeni in Cairo, citing its inability for the four officers to be tried in absentia since their prosecutors failed to inform them of their charges. (AFP via France 24) Sri Lanka drops charges against Admiral Wasantha Karannagoda, who was accused of being part of a group of 14 navy personnel who kidnapped 11 children and murdered them after attempting to extort money from their families. The actual number of children murdered by the group is suspected to be at least three times higher. The crimes were carried out in 2008 and 2009, amid the chaos of the Sri Lankan Civil War. (Al Jazeera) Politics and elections 2021 Japanese general election Prime Minister Fumio Kishida dissolves the lower house of the Japanese Parliament ahead of the election on October 31. (UPI) Pakistan International Airlines suspends flights to the Afghan capital Kabul, citing "heavy-handed" interference from the Taliban. It was the only foreign carrier operating regular flights out of Kabul. (BBC News)

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RD: Joseph Kofi Adda

Article: Joseph Kofi Adda (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.myjoyonline.com/former-aviation-minister-joseph-kofi-adda-has-died/
Credits:

• Updated by Applehead1000 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Ghanaian politician. Former MP and cabinet minister. The wikibio looks long enough and clean enough now, but it could use more info on what he did in his 3 stints as a cabinet minister. --PFHLai (talk) 08:30, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose Source is of suspicious quality. TootsieRollsAddict (talk to me pls I am lonely) 09:11, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
  • User:TootsieRollsAddict, could you elaborate, please? I'm not familiar with the source materials. If parts of the article are "suspicious", they should be taken off the wiki and replaced. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 21:22, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
    • OK, let me explain. I looked at the source, and it seems to be from a syndicated publication. Syndicated publications are not exactly reliable, are they> That is what I meant. TootsieRollsAddict (talk to me pls I am lonely) 11:13, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

RD: Lee Wan-koo

Article: Lee Wan-koo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yonhap News
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Briefly PM of South Korea. PFHLai (talk) 19:26, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support The article is in good shape and well-referenced. Hanamanteo (talk) 10:09, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support' Looks good. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 21:11, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Weak oppose Despite a lengthy political career, limited to no depth of coverage about what he did in those positions. I understand his PM term was short so don't need much there, but for his earlier political career more is needed. Spencer^T•C 00:48, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Diane Weyermann

Article: Diane Weyermann (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Los Angeles Times; Variety; Sundance Institute
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 06:39, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support The article is in good shape and well-referenced. Hanamanteo (talk) 14:11, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posted --PFHLai (talk) 19:33, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) 2021 Kaohsiung tower fire

Article: 2021 Kaohsiung tower fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​In southern Taiwan, a tower fire in Kaohsiung leaves 46 dead and 41 injured. (Post)
News source(s): Taiwan News, Focus Taiwan, DW, Al Jazeera, New York Times. AP, BBC, Reuters
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Dying (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jacklamf1d14 (talk · give credit) and Leaky.Solar (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: deadliest building fire in taiwan since 1995. work in progress. dying (talk) 14:41, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support – in principle. The basics are there. Something on what materials fueled the fire would be appropriate, and of course its cause. – Sca (talk) 15:04, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support beyond your basic disaster stub. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 15:09, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support article is better than a stub, and 46+ people dying is ITN-worthy. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:11, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

  At 450 words it's on the thin side yet for MP use, though. – Sca (talk) 15:22, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

  3185 characters is longer than many similar articles are when they get posted. It's good enough, and can be expanded once more information is available. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:14, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support Definitely a notable event. Start class article on the lower end should still be able to appear on the main page. --CactusTaron (Nopen't) 15:35, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support in principle. The article seems to be minimally sufficient and should be expanded.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:41, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Weak support. Unusual event, high death toll which seems likely to rise further, similar to Grenfell Tower fire which was posted. The article is not hugely informative but long enough and adequately referenced. Weak !vote as I'm getting a bit tired of disasters with mediocre articles, but this is postable and keeps the blurbs ticking over. Modest Genius ^talk 16:12, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
  • I think we have to recognize that such disasters in non-Western countries have language-barrier issues that make it hard for typical en.wiki editors to find sources to expand (not that foreign language sources aren't usable, just that knowing how to use those requires language familiarity). In addition to the difference of attention due to systematic bias that the media would give to a fire in downtown London versus somewhere in Taiwan. Just a point of consideration of expectations on length we should keep in mind. --Masem (t) 16:20, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
    • Oh I wasn't expecting it to have as good an article as Grenfell did (that one developed amazingly over the first 24 hours). The current length is adequate. But I take your point. Modest Genius ^talk 16:55, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support Article is sufficient length and quality, well referenced, and the topic is being covered by major news outlets. Checks all of the requirements. --Jayron32 16:31, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support This is actual news, unlike the space flight of 10 minutes. Heythereimaguy (talk) 16:34, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support Looks good to go. Hanamanteo (talk) 17:02, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posting. --Tone 17:23, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Please remove tower from the blurb - the damaged building isn't a tower, which is why the article's title is under discussion. Jim Michael (talk) 11:52, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

  More likely to get a response at WP:ERRORS.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:47, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

October 13

Portal:Current events/2021 October 13

Current events of October 13, 2021 (2021-10-13) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Kongsberg attack Five people are killed and two others are injured in the streets of Kongsberg, Viken, Norway, by a man using a bow and arrow. A suspect has been arrested. (BBC) 2021 Bangladesh Communal Violence Four people are killed and 24 others are injured as police open fire on a mob of 500 Muslims protesting over an alleged Quran desecration at a Hindu temple in Haziganj Upazila, Bangladesh. (AFP via ABS-CBN News) 2021 Eswatini protests Pro-democracy protests intensify in Eswatini, as police use tear gas and water cannons to disperse crowds during this week's protests. Government spokespeople have denied to comment as King Mswati III denies accusations of autocratic rule in the last absolutist monarchy in Africa. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents Eight people are hospitalized as a fire breaks out at the El Gouna Film Festival in El Gouna, Red Sea Governorate, Egypt. (BBC) A Cessna 172 with two pilots crashes near Halat, Lebanon, during a training exercise. Rescue teams have been dispatched to look for the pilots. (Reuters) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Asia COVID-19 pandemic in Malaysia COVID-19 vaccination in Malaysia, COVID-19 pandemic in Sarawak Sarawak becomes the first state in Malaysia to offering a third and booster doses of the COVID-19 vaccines using the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine for high-risk individuals who had received their second dose of that vaccine at least six months ago. (Codeblue) COVID-19 pandemic in Japan It is reported that at least 415 children committed suicide in Japan in 2020 during the COVID-19 pandemic while schools were closed. (Reuters) COVID-19 pandemic in the Philippines The Philippines surpasses 40,000 deaths from COVID-19. (Philstar) COVID-19 pandemic in Nigeria The Nigerian government announces that they will require workers to be vaccinated against COVID-19 or to submit a negative PCR test from the previous 72 hours beginning on December 1. (Vanguard) COVID-19 pandemic in Papua New Guinea Papuan health minister Jelta Wong says that the pandemic is pushing the health system to its limits and also admits to a slow response by the government, as only 2% of the population have been vaccinated. Peter Numu, the governor of Eastern Highlands Province, says that the situation in his province is "scary". (RNZ) COVID-19 pandemic in Russia Russia reports a record for the second consecutive day of 984 deaths from COVID-19, thereby bringing the nationwide death toll to 219,329. (Newsweek) Iqaluit, capital of the Canadian territory of Nunavut, issues a state of emergency after evidence is found of gasoline in the city's tap water. All residents are advised to not drink, boil or cook with the city's water. The city had issued a Do Not Drink Water advisory the previous day. (Global News) Law and crime LGBT rights in Namibia The Supreme Court of Namibia rules in favor of a gay couple who conceived a baby using a South African surrogate, to grant the baby, who was born in South Africa, Namibian citizenship. The judge ruled that there is no need for tests to confirm that the baby is the son of the couple. However, homosexual activity remains illegal in Namibia. (Reuters) Pandora Papers Opposition lawmakers present a formal impeachment proceeding against Chilean president Sebastián Piñera over connections to a 2010 sale of a mining company, for which a prosecutor opened a case against Piñera for alleged bribery, corruption, and tax violations. (Al Jazeera) Masten Wanjala, who was imprisoned for murdering 14 boys in Kenya escapes from his prison cell in Nairobi and is on the run. He is described as "extremely dangerous". (BBC News) Kenyan world record holder in the women's 10 kilometres event Agnes Tirop is stabbed to death at her home in Iten, Elgeyo-Marakwet County, Kenya. Tirop's husband is the prime suspect in her murder, according to police. (BBC) Science and technology Blue Origin NS-18 Blue Origin launches four crew into sub-orbit on a New Shepard rocket from its Corn Ranch spaceport in Van Horn, Texas. The crew includes Blue Origin Vice President Audrey Powers, NASA engineer Chris Boshuizen, space tourist Glen de Vries, and actor William Shatner. Shatner, best known for his portrayal of Captain Kirk in the Star Trek media franchise, becomes the oldest ever person in space at the age of 90. (BBC) Sports South Korean short track speed skater Shim Suk-hee is barred from the national team ahead of qualifying for the 2022 Winter Olympics as the Korea Staking Union launches an investigation into a text message exchange involving her that suggests fraudulent behavior while competing at the 2018 Winter Olympics. (AP)

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RD: Timuel Black

Article: Timuel Black (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

• Nominated by AleatoryPonderings (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 16:40, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose Orange tag, CNs, Career has a 47 year gap (1963-2000) in coverage.130.233.213.141 (talk) 06:13, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

RD: Gary Paulsen

Article: Gary Paulsen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

• Nominated by AleatoryPonderings (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Οἶδα (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Thanks to Οἶδα, this is ready to go. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 18:12, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support Sad to see the author of Hatchet go. Heythereimaguy (talk) 18:57, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support - Looks good to go.BabbaQ (talk) 19:10, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Wait Several unsourced and personal chunks. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:16, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Weak oppose – three paragraphs still unsourced. Removing ready. —Bloom6132 (talk) 19:53, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Not only does this wikibio needs a few more refs, Gary Paulsen bibliography, created shortly before this ITN nomination, needs more refs, too. --PFHLai (talk) 14:31, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Paulson fails WP:N if his works are excluded, and his works utterly lack references, even if they have been cleverly SPLIT.130.233.213.141 (talk) 06:38, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

  Struck my oppose because the SPLIT article is now referenced. It's a proseless single-reference list, about the worst possible arrangement, but at least it's cited.130.233.213.141 (talk) 09:04, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose I read through the article and was struck by the incident of his mother beating a man to death. This sounded implausible and so I found that the NYT has a different version, "kicking the assailant into unconsciousness". As such anecdotes are autobiographical and from childhood, they seem unreliable. It's not enough to have a citation; the fact has to be correct too. More work is needed. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:22, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support, as no paragraphs in this article are unsourced, and the split makes sense, because it's just not feasible to have all the works in the main articleJackattack1597 (talk) 00:30, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose article is incomplete without some kind of bibliography (preferably a selected biography list of most important works). And people shouldn't be creating bibliography articles just to get rid of the unsourced content. This is a clearly invalid WP:CONTENTFORK, as the article was not too long with the bibliography in it. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:08, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per Joseph2302. The bibliography may have been somewhat too long in its complete form, but WP:SPLITting out content doesn't mean removing it altogether. The forked content should be replaced by a summarised version of the same thing. I have labelled the rump section with any empty section template. As an aside, the bibliography appears to be referenced by fantasticfiction.com. Is that a reliable source? It seems to be maintained by one guy and a few family members, albeit that it's his full-time job. I'd probably want to see some evidence that other RSs use this for referencing.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:22, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

  Someone has reverted the "empty section" maintenance tag which I placed on the Bibliography section, but that tag should still be there as that section is plainly still empty, and requires actual content to be added, not just a link to a child article, per WP:Summary style.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:31, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ray Fosse

Article: Ray Fosse (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC Sports
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Unfortified Castle (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 01:13, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support Good depth of coverage, fully referenced. Marking ready. Spencer^T•C 06:57, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 08:53, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) Kongsberg attack

Posted, and discussions can continue at the article talk. Stephen 23:03, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Kongsberg attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​Five people are killed, and two others injured inside a supermarket by a man using a bow and arrows in Kongsberg, Viken, Norway. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​Five people are killed and two others injured in a bow-and-arrow attack inside a supermarket in Kongsberg, Norway.
News source(s): BBC, CNN, Sky News, AP, The Guardian, Independent, New York Times, Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by Kacamata (talk · give credit)
• Created by Love of Corey (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: The article is still a stub. Also, I don't know if the number of deaths are enough to warranty its publication on the MP, but yet I think it's worth to nominate it. Kacamata! ^Dimmi!!! 23:55, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

• Weak Support Although the article is a stub, I still feel that the topic is notable enough. I hope it can be improved on further, though.TootsieRollsAddict (talk) 00:24, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Wait but leaning oppose. While they are presently considering a potential terror angle, this reads like the hallmarks of domestic violence and with the small numbers involved, the type of crime we shouldn't cover at ITN. But if there was a serious terrorist angle here, that would be potential angle for posting, just that this seems really far from that. --Masem (t) 00:43, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

  Domestic violence? The attacker is said to have launched the assault inside a supermarket and then moved over a large area.Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:10, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

  Not the best phrase I used, but right now, it is a localized crime that may involve ties to terrorism (due to the suspect's recent Islam conversion), types of crime that happen everywhere across the globe that don't get reported because they don't have international impact. It is the weapon of choice that caught media's eye here as to why it got widespread attention. --Masem (t) 13:36, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

• Weak support if expanded beyond stub Low death count for a mass casualty event, but the bizarre weapon choice makes this far more notable than a typical shooting. Mlb96 (talk) 00:47, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• This won't stop until we have meaningful wood stick and string control. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 00:50, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Good point. 1,329,000 (or 25 per 100 people) registered firearms, but not sure we have any figures for bows and arrows. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:23, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose -- a bizarre weapon choice, but I don't think there's any inherent notability beyond that. -- Rockstone^{[Send me a message!]} 01:50, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Wait - article is a stub currently, too early for posting and needs further development. - Indefensible (talk) 05:57, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality article is a microstub. If that's all that can be said about it, then it's not important enough for ITN. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:17, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose as of now, article is not long enough to qualify for the main page. Once it is expanded to sufficient length, I would support its posting. --Jayron32 11:42, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
  • What's the minimum size for Start class? How much more would be needed? WP:STUB says: "AutoWikiBrowser is frequently set to automatically remove stub tags from any article with more than 500 words" Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:52, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
    • I was ec'd there to mention that anything that surpasses stub is at least a Start class. Note that is based on readable prose, so no infobox/references/template, etc. --Masem (t) 13:29, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
    • And currently I'm getting 1583 characters which is also just above the general requirements for stub as well as DYK, so this should be okay for size. --Masem (t) 13:30, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
      • Thanks. I now count 1829. But can we post stubs or not? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:03, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
      • User:Schwede66 has now moved all project tags to Start class. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:32, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment This seems like the perfect thing for DYK (if it ever meets the requirements). Heythereimaguy (talk) 12:02, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose – Heavily covered due to the peculiar nature of the attack, but a lone perp. and a comparatively small death toll don't equate to general significance, regardless of the assailant's presumed motives. Don't see the EV. – Sca (talk) 12:16, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per Sca. Tabloid interest item, no long-term encyclopedic value. GreatCaesarsGhost 12:38, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
  • The New York Times, The Times, BBC News, etc.? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:47, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

    Ephemeral spot news. – Sca (talk) 13:30, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose. There are car crashes that kill 5 people every day. List of mass shootings in the United States has a murder with that many victims every couple of months, and that's just one country with one weapon. The unusual choice of a bow here is attracting headlines, but isn't a significant enough detail to justify ITN. PS. could be nominated for DYK instead. Modest Genius ^talk 13:39, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

  Meanwhile, arguably significant news seems below the radar. – Sca (talk) 13:56, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

• Support if ties to a known terrorist group is confirmed. That's the criteria I generally use for developed countries. For conflict zones, where these events are unfortunately common,it gets more complicated Scaramouche33 (talk) 13:51, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per Sca, GCG etc. Small-scale attack and no lasting significance likely.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:16, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support on notability we had some people suggest they'd support if it was a terrorist attack; it now appears to be so. It was the number one global headline when it happened and it's still the number one global headline a day later. The purpose of ITN is to help readers find and quickly access content they are likely to be searching for because an item is in the news, and this event fits that criteria. I would prefer if the article was a bit longer first but everything already in there is well-cited. NorthernFalcon (talk) 14:50, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

  One addled terrorist acting alone is not a movement, and this one's no Brevik. – Sca (talk) 15:11, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

  PS: Article at 335 words is barely over a stub. – Sca (talk) 15:16, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

• Comment requested it for DYK https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Kongsberg_attack Heythereimaguy (talk) 16:29, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment - Does the unusual method make it more notable than if the attacker had killed same number of people using a gun, knife or bomb? Jim Michael (talk) 18:00, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Perhaps so, a bow is an interesting weapon of choice. Heythereimaguy (talk) 18:04, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
    • Crossbows are more usual e.g. [14]. I see that some sources are erroneously saying this incident involved a crossbow. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:25, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

      See Talk:Kongsberg attack. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:40, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

      Swedish sources also add that he had other weapons as well, a knife is mentioned. cart-Talk 18:46, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

      So: "Knife-wielding, unnamed Danish-Norwegian man slays five people and injures three others in a bow-and-arrow rampage" – ??
      – Sca (talk) 19:12, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

      Now that...that is a funny hook for DYK. Heythereimaguy (talk) 21:16, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support - Per confirmed terrorist act. Per expansion from stub to start class. Terrorism is very unusual in Norway posting this definitely makes sense.BabbaQ (talk) 19:20, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support As per BabbaQ. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:33, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose The bow-and-arrow is propelling the story into the limelight, and I'm very surprised that even CNN has this as a top story like any muck-raking tabloid. Aside from the unusual weapon, it's a minor terrorist attack by today's standards (can't believe I'm writing that phrase), and terrorists have always proved crafty when it comes to weapons for attacks. cart-Talk 19:34, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

  Norway has had no terrorist attack for ten years. And there are 5 deaths which is notable for the Scandinavia region. BabbaQ (talk) 20:36, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

  Of course it's notable in Scandinavia and should be a main page event on all Nordic Wikipedias, but I don't think it's big enough for this ITN. cart-Talk 20:49, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

  Agree. It's not in French, German or Dutch Wikis' versions of ITN, either. – Sca (talk) 22:01, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support – Norway is an unlikely place for Islamic terrorism in Europe. It's a major pro-Islamic terrorist incident in the country, and the impact is the police officers now carry firearms on duty (normally they don't). STSC (talk) 20:08, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
  • It has not be definitively ruled as Islamic terrorism yet. There is a possible link and police are keeping that in mind, but we absolutely cannot label it terrorism yet. --Masem (t) 21:20, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

    The case is now being treated as an act of terrorism. STSC (talk) 22:15, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

    Best I'm finding in the few updated sources is that they are still treating the incident as an act of terror due to the Islam conversion [15], but that given the suspect was already a known person of interest and is now under mental evaluation (as per Sca below) gives me pause to think they're treating this guy as a wacko that went off the cuff and they had plenty of warnings they didn't heed. This is unlike incidents like the Manchester Arena bombing or 2017 London Bridge attack of quietly planned and far deadlier results that absolutely were terrorist attacks. I'm not saying that this being a terrorist attack has been ruled out, but it seems very much unlikely given all that's there this was tied to an actual terrorist cell (like this other ones) and more like just a guy broke down mentally and went crazy. I will add that the fact that looking for sources, there's almost no new English-based news fresher than 18-24hr ago outside a couple BBC articles tells me that unless some major revelation about a terrorist connection is made here, most of the world press appears to be treating this as a random attack and not a world-shaking terrorist one. --Masem (t) 13:16, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

• Slight support per STSC and BabbaQ. Heythereimaguy (talk) 20:52, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Changing mine to "Slight support" because it isn't super notable outside of the Nordic countries, but still notable due to the weapon used. Heythereimaguy (talk) 21:22, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support; a terrorist attack that killed five people in Britain, New Zealand, Canada etc will almost always be "ITN" (See Lindt Cafe siege and 2017 London Bridge attack) for comparable events) - the fact that this happened outside the Anglosphere shouldn't change that. Further, given the rarity of such events in Norway, I suspect that this one will be long-term significance in Norway. I would note though that the proposed text will have to be changed to reflect the fact that it is now considered a terror attack. BilledMammal (talk) 22:42, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Yes, the 2017 London Bridge attack killed 11, including the 3 perpetrators. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:49, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
  • We would likely have posted the Plymouth shooting had it been proved to have been motivated by an ideology. Jim Michael (talk) 12:51, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment. This has been nominated to appear at DYK. It can't run as the bolded item in an ITN blurb and as the subject of a DYK nomination so if this is posted the DYK nomination should be withdrawn, or if it's approved at DYK this should be closed, but having both open at once is not ideal. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 22:44, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
  • That's only half true: if it's posted at ITN, it isn't DYK eligible anymore. The converse is not true- even if it appears on DYK (which it wouldn't do for a while anyway, as there's at least 10 days of hooks already queued up), it would still e eligible for ITN. Articles have run on DYK and ITN simultaneously before (2020 and 2021 London Marathons were added to ITN whilst also on DYK), and there is no actually rule against it that way round. Joseph2302 (talk) 23:05, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
    • At the current rate of promotion it would be too stale to post at ITN after DYK, but if it's approved and added to the long, slow queue, it would be a shame to have to pull it in a few days if it finally gets posted here; there's no likelihood of it appearing at DYK before ITN but a decision should probably be made sooner rather than later. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 23:08, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
    • Agree it's probably a moot point for this nomination, but it's still worth correcting them, as if people read this thread in the archives, don't want people thinking that's actually a rule, when it's not. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:38, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support per above. A terrorist attack in a Scandinavian country carried out with a bizarre weapon is clearly significant, and I don't think this can be omitted just because there's an ongoing DYK nomination (while the converse is true, it's not in the case with ITN).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 06:48, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment – It's the next day and world media has already lost interest in this. cart-Talk 08:33, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

  Meanwhile, the Nobel Prize in Economics is still on everyone's front page? Well, at some internet backwaters perhaps. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:53, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

  True, but then again, I think the Nobel Prize receives a disproportionate amount of attention these days. When it was instituted, it was as a way to help important research get published and shared. We hardly have the same issues these days. cart-Talk 09:05, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

• Comment – Perp., still unnamed, sent for psychiatric evaluation. [16] [17] [18]