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This page provides a forum for editors to suggest items for inclusion on In the news (ITN), a protected template on the Main Page, as well as the forum for discussion of candidates. This is not the page to report errors in the ITN section on the Main Page—please go to the appropriate section at WP:ERRORS. Archives of past nominations can be found here.

This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. Under each daily section header below is the transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day (with a light green header). Each day's portal page is followed by a subsection for suggestions and discussion.

A blurb is a one sentence summary of the news story. An alternate suggestion for the blurb is called an altblurb, and any more suggestions get labelled alt1, alt2, etc. A blurb needs at least one target article, highlighted in bold; reviewers check the quality of that article and whether it is updated, and whether reliable sources demonstrate the significance of the event. Other articles can also be linked. The Ongoing line is for regularly updated articles which cover events that remain in the news over a longer period of time. RD stands for the "recent deaths" line, and can include any living thing whose death was recently announced. In some cases, recent deaths may need additional explanation as provided by a blurb; this is decided by consensus.

Abdalla Hamdok in 2019
Abdalla Hamdok

How to nominate an item[edit]

In order to suggest a candidate:

  • Update an article to be linked to from the blurb to include the recent developments, or find an article that has already been updated.
  • Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated).
    • Do not add sections for new dates. These are automatically generated (at midnight UTC) by a bot; creating them manually breaks this process.
  • Nominate the blurb for ITN inclusion under the "Suggestions" subheading for the date, emboldening the link in the blurb to the updated article. Use a level 4 header (====) when doing so.
    • Preferably use the template {{ITN candidate}} to nominate the article related to the event in the news. Make sure that you include a reference from a verifiable, reliable secondary source. Press releases are not acceptable. The suggested blurb should be written in simple present tense.
    • Adding an explanation why the event should be posted greatly increases the odds of posting.
  • Please consider alerting editors to the nomination by adding the template {{ITN note}} to the corresponding article's talk page.

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There are criteria which guide the decision on whether or not to put a particular item on In the news, based largely on the extensiveness of the updated content and the perceived significance of the recent developments. These are listed at WP:ITN.

Submissions that do not follow the guidelines at Wikipedia:In the news will not be placed onto the live template.

Headers[edit]

  • Items that have been posted or pulled from the main page are generally marked with (Posted) or (Pulled) in the item's subject so it is clear they are no longer active.
  • Items can also be marked as (Ready) when the article is both updated and there seems to be a consensus to post. The posting admin, however, should always judge the update and the consensus to post themselves. If you find an entry that you don't feel is ready to post is marked (Ready), you should remove the mark in the header.

Voicing an opinion on an item[edit]

  • Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated.

Please do not...[edit]

  1. add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are usually not helpful. Instead, explain the reasons why you think the item meets or does not meet the ITN inclusion criteria so a consensus can be reached.
  2. oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive.
  3. accuse other editors of supporting, opposing or nominating due to a personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). Conflicts of interest are not handled at ITN.
  4. comment on a story without first reading the relevant article(s).
  5. oppose a recurring item here because you disagree with the recurring items criteria. The criteria can be discussed at the relevant talk page.
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October 27[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks


RD: Mort Sahl[edit]

Article: Mort Sahl (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Legendary comedian and political satirist. Some sections need sourcing. Scaramouche33 (talk) 08:04, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[]

October 26[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

  • Two people are killed and another is missing as floods triggered by a powerful storm is affecting Catania, Sicily, Italy. Roads have been completely submerged in parts of the region. (BBC News)

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime


(Closed) Princess Mako marries[edit]

SNOW close. It's only been a couple of hours but consensus will clearly not develop to post. Regards SoWhy 18:46, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


Article: Mako Komuro (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Mako Komuro of Japan marries commoner Kei Komuro, giving up her royal status (Post)
News source(s): [2] [3]
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Headline news in Japan. We posted the British royal wedding in 2011. Banedon (talk) 15:25, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose. She was not in line for the throne, whereas William is. This is normal for women in the Japanese Royal Family (a much smaller group than the British Royal Family). 331dot (talk) 15:35, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose she seems to be down 5 generations from being leader. We didn't post Beatrice or Eugenie from the UK, both of whom were similarly unlikely to be rulers. And those weddings had a dedicated article about the wedding, whereas this is a few paragraphs in her biography. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:39, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[]
I don't think women can get the Japanese throne at all, unless the law is changed. 331dot (talk) 15:41, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[]
In that case, definitely oppose. Someone who wasn't ever going to get power giving up the non-power is not ITN-worthy. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:44, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose I'd consider if she was in the direct line of succession, but no. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 15:43, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose. I question whether we should have posted William, but he at least is going to be king. Mako is the Emperor's niece, in a country which excludes all women (and female line men) from the succession. We probably shouldn't post royal marriages at all, but certainly not minor royals who cannot legally inherit the throne. Modest Genius talk 15:55, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose – Per all previous op's. Subject isn't a significant or widely known person outside Japan. (Please don't read me the rule book on this one. It's just common sense.) Suggest close.Sca (talk) 18:03, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(Posted) RD: Walter Smith[edit]

Article: Walter Smith (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former Rangers, Everton and Scotland football manager. Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:22, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[]

RD: Roh Tae-woo[edit]

Article: Roh Tae-woo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former president of South Korea. Article is virtually unreferenced and will need some improvement though. - Indefensible (talk) 05:54, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[]

These aren't just the normal sourcing problems, "virtually unreferenced" is if anything an understatement. Apart from today's obituaries, there aren't even citations for detailed English coverage. I don't read Korean, and the Korean article has its own problems (NPOV tagged, lots of unreferenced content, and at least one reference is to "Wikipedia article from 2007"). User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 18:05, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Yeah, the subject definitely qualifies on notability but article is probably not doable in time for lack of sources. The Korean article similarly lacking refs to borrow from makes it even harder. - Indefensible (talk) 03:26, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose - a long way off being ready.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:01, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[]

October 25[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology

Sports


(Posted) RD: Alfredo Diez Nieto[edit]

Article: Alfredo Diez Nieto (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): today.in-24 and several in Spanish
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Influential composer, conductor and professor in Cuba who died on his 103rd birthday. Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:03, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • Support Decently sourced and formatted, in my view. Jusdafax (talk) 00:04, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support The article is in good shape and well-referenced. Hanamanteo (talk) 02:23, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Posted --PFHLai (talk) 03:59, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[]

RD: Fofi Gennimata[edit]

Article: Fofi Gennimata (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Greek politician. - Indefensible (talk) 17:57, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • Support A touching death. Her wikibio is not in bad shape and have enough sources, but a bit more coverage of her political career would be great. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 21:46, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support seems to be well-referenced Scaramouche33 (talk) 04:45, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose Personal life section needs editing to adhere to Wiki-voice. 202.8.114.75 (talk) 06:56, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    I can remove the quote, I don't think it adds that much to the article.Scaramouche33 (talk) 12:23, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    Agree it certainly needs a rewrite, with things like After a brave struggle he passed away on 25 April 1994 at age 54 in it, which are not encyclopedic at all. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:53, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    Also, the article is a bit confusing: was she concurrently leader of PASOK and Movement for Change (Greece), or did she keep switching between the two? I guess it's the former (since one is a party, and one is a movement), but the article doesn't say, and thus confuses me (and presumably others without knowledge of Greek politics). Joseph2302 (talk) 12:56, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    The personal life section has been cleaned up a little bit Scaramouche33 (talk) 15:38, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    Joseph, the summary of the article states quite clearly, "was a Greek politician who served as president of the Panhellenic Socialist Movement (PASOK) from 2015 to 2021. During her tenure as party leader, she also co-founded and led the Democratic Alignment and the Movement for Change, two successive political alliances of centre-left parties formed around PASOK." _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 20:48, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Weak oppose Political career is mostly resume in prose format; what did she do while in those roles? SpencerT•C 00:30, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[]

(Posted) October 2021 Sudanese coup d'état[edit]

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Article: October 2021 Sudanese coup d'état (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​In Sudan, a military coup deposes the government under Prime Minister Abdalla Hamdok. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​Sudanese Prime Minister Abdalla Hamdok (pictured) and five other senior officials are detained after the interim government is deposed in a military coup.
Alternative blurb II: ​Sudanese Prime Minister Abdalla Hamdok (pictured) is detained after the interim government is deposed in a military coup.
News source(s): Bloomberg, BBC, ABC, AP, Guardian, Al Jazeera
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Developing event that has changed the political situation in Sudan. Article is in decent shape and well supported based on current information. - Indefensible (talk) 03:05, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • Wait We need an article first. So far we know that several civilian leaders were arrested, the internet is down and people are protesting. There goes any hopes for democracy in North Africa Scaramouche33 (talk) 05:29, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    update Now we have an article, but it needs a lot of work before it's ready for the main page Scaramouche33 (talk) 06:19, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment - As previously said, we need an article to assess. Perhaps this nom. should be closed and re-opened when and if we have an article.--Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 05:54, 25 October 2021 (UTC) My bad. It seems that we have a stub article.--Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 05:57, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment - An article was created few minutes ago. Therefore, I updated the nomination and the blurb.--Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 05:57, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support as article creator - The article's still a stub but should be fleshed out enough within a few hours, and the event itself is a perfect fit for the front page news section. --Posted by Pikamander2 (Talk) at 06:49, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment. Eh, it's my first attempt at contributing to an ITN. It's not ready yet, but it's 3:20 AM my time. Hopefully Scaramouche33 and Pikamander2 can continue the work there. –MJLTalk 07:21, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Strong support The article is basic but fully referenced and good enough to post. Reporting on this part of the world is difficult as it's been shown every time the Mali coups were nominated for example; we may never get the full story or indeed any clear aftermath. Sudanese politics is a very volatile and messy affair and therefore its a challenge to have any sort of clarity on what is happening. Furthermore I'm not sure if we have any Arabic speakers involved but certainly not being one makes it even more difficult. I've added the Guardian article to the references as well by the way. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:23, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Wait Is this coup being undertaken by Burhan, or by some other factions in the Armed Forces? Different setnences in the article seem to suggest the possiblity of both outcomes, which are two very different stories, I'm not saying we need the whole story, but I think we need to at least wait until we know who's in charge. Wizardoftheyear (talk) 09:26, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Wait as far as I can see, nowhere in the article does it explicitly say it's a successful coup, so we shouldn't be posting a blurb saying that. It looks like it's all up in the air at the moment, so wait until it's properly confirmed what the situation is e.g. who is now de facto in charge. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:32, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • For example, BBC, NYT call it "reports of a military coup" and an "apparent coup". Definitely not confirmed to be a successful coup yet. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:39, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • I don't think that’s decisive to support the nomination. Whether it’s successful or not, a coup is a coup and therefore it must (or should) already be ITNR. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 10:26, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • The blurb suggests it's been a successful coup, whereas I don't see evidence that is the case. The PM and some others have been captured/arrested, but I don't see evidence that the coup is successful i.e. the people partaking in the coup actually have power. I don't see any sources that say the government has been deposed, only that members of that government have been taken. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:31, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose The sources are not reliable. Whatever is happening is a work-in-progress and so we have to wait for the dust to settle and the outcome to be confirmed. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:42, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Andrew Davidson: please elaborate on your statement "The sources are not reliable"; Bloomberg, BBC, ABC, AP, Guardian, Al Jazeera are the sources? Abcmaxx (talk) 14:27, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Update Burhan has dissolved the government [4] Scaramouche33 (talk) 10:57, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment – Most reliable source (RS) sites are treating this as an accomplished takeover. AP headline: "Sudan's military takes power in coup." – Sca (talk) 12:37, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Wait right now I would describe this as an "apparent" coup; clearly Hamdok is no longer in power. It's not yet clear who is (is Burhan organizing the coup, or compelled to act on behalf of it?). Likely in the next few hours the situation will become clearer. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 15:21, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    Post-posting support we had waited long enough. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 15:44, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    Agree. I shudda said "more or less as an accomplished takeover." – Sca (talk) 17:23, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support. Reliable sources (e.g. the BBC) are reporting that the coup was successful. Details are still sketchy, but the article does a good job of reporting what is known so far, is well referenced, and meets our minimum requirements. Modest Genius talk 18:24, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]
If the coup succeeded, is it not ITNR? 331dot (talk) 18:25, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]
You know what? Yes, if the coup has succeeded then it would be ITN/R. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:27, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment – Article, at 700+ words (± 200 of which are 'reaction'), seems rather preliminary as of 18:30. Further details presumably will come fairly soon. – Sca (talk) 18:35, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    I tried to keep the International reactions section as concise as possible. The domestic reaction section also talks about the subsequent protests and deaths which is fairly important to the story. Should I trim it down a bit more? Scaramouche33 (talk) 18:50, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support – Article seems to be in a decent enough shape, and demonstrates yet another blow to the democracy movement in the Middle East. Also added an AltBlurb to discuss the fate of the Soverign Council's members, and emphasize that this was the interim government that was overthrown. Mount Patagonia (talk) 21:21, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    • Added AltBlurb2 in case the other one is too wordy. Mount Patagonia (talk) 21:27, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]
      Good suggestions but Hamdok was detained before the Sovereignty Council was dissolved today I believe, so not sure the wording is the most accurate. Probably more like Hamdok was detained early as their top priority. - Indefensible (talk) 21:39, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment - Both CNN and BBC reporting that the coup was successful. Perhaps we should focus on if the article is good enough for the MP as it seems that the coup really succeed.--Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 21:43, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • CommentBBC now says at least seven killed and 140 injured after soldiers fired on crowds protesting against the military coup in Sudan. – Sca (talk) 22:23, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    Article updated to reflect that information. Unfortunately it may not be accurate for much longer. - Indefensible (talk) 23:01, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support blurb. --14Jenna7Caesura (talk) 23:31, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment: There was now a discussion of page move to the 2021 Sudanese coup d'état. While editors unanimously agree to remove "attempt" from the title now known as October 2021 Sudanese coup d'état, they disagree whether the month "October" will removed or not. I would encourage editors who discussing blurb proposal to join discussion on talk page. More participants will gave better conclusion. 114.125.235.174 (talk) 23:35, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Posting. Things seem to be changing fast so we may need to adjust the blurb at some point. --Tone 07:49, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Post-posting comment – On Tuesday, RS reports of death toll ranged from four to 10, with seven being the most numerous choice. – Sca (talk) 12:37, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[]

October 24[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

Politics and elections


RD: Arnold Hano[edit]

Article: Arnold Hano (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times; Laguna Beach Independent
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 00:38, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • Support. Looks good to go, to me. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 09:00, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[]

RD: Gene Freidman[edit]

Article: Gene Freidman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Some possible POV issues but it's pretty well sourced. Note the surname is "Freidman", not the more common "Friedman". AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 21:10, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • Comment One cn tag Scaramouche33 (talk) 04:47, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose - unfortunately, similar to the Mike McCoy case above, the career section is too light on material and focuses too much on just the legal battles rather than a narrative about the course of his career.  — Amakuru (talk) 08:59, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[]

2021 Uzbek presidential election[edit]

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Article: 2021 Uzbek presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​In Uzbekistan, Shavkat Mirziyoyev (pictured) is re-elected President of Uzbekistan. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Shavkat Mirziyoyev (pictured) remains the president of Uzbekistan after a presidential election is held.
News source(s): Euronews, Reuters
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: This seems to be a "show election", but it's still an election. Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 06:03, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • Results are missing but otherwise, elections are ITNR. --Tone 07:29, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Wait until there's actually final results for this. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:02, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support Show election, but election none the less This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 13:27, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose proposed blurb calling this a re-election is an affront to real elections. Added altblurb. Abcmaxx (talk) 19:14, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support The first blurb is fine, it's okay to show a re-election because it's the truth: Mirziyoyev was re-elected. The altblurb might be confusing, as it makes it sound that Mirziyoyev was JUST elected. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:55, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]
changed the wording from "becomes" to "remains" Abcmaxx (talk) 21:28, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Weak support The article issues have been fixed and appear to be ready. I prefer the altblurb, although it escapes from the usual blurb type for elections. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 21:50, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • The article now have an orange tagged section. Time to fix it. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 09:20, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment - Tone and Joseph2302 The preliminary results were released by the Central Election Commission, the final results will be released at the end of October. However, all the RS are calling Mirziyoyev elected by a large margin. So, I don't think we need to wait anymore.--Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 22:42, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment the voter turnout section is orange tagged, once this is resolved, it looks good to go. I prefer ALT0, as he was elected (even if the election was questionable). Joseph2302 (talk) 07:37, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Also the results by region image in infobox is blank (and so misleading), can it either be updated or removed? Joseph2302 (talk) 07:39, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Yes, this is fine, before the entire section was missing. Just address the disputed tag at the voter turnout section and we're good to go. --Tone 07:45, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[]

(Posted) RD: James Michael Tyler[edit]

Article: James Michael Tyler (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, NBC News, BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The article needs a lot of sourcing and will require some work to make the MP. --Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 23:58, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • Support Clear signs of improvement since the nom; I think this is adequately sourced now.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:50, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • The prose is long enough and has footnotes at expected spots, but the tables in the Filmography section need more refs. Please address the few {cn} tags there. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 18:19, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    • Posted. Thanks, Winderz IoT, for the new footnotes. --PFHLai (talk) 00:33, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[]

October 23[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

Science and technology


RD: Grant Woods[edit]

Article: Grant Woods (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Former Arizona Attorney General Grant Woods dies at 67
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: I've referenced all of the article's prose, except the lead per WP:LEADCITEElli (talk | contribs) 01:19, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • Comment One cn tag in the Career section and the 1994 election needs a source Scaramouche33 (talk) 08:59, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose Limited depth of coverage; needs information about his role as attorney general. SpencerT•C 14:41, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]

(Closed) Osman Kavala case[edit]

Consensus to post is unlikely to develop.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:51, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

PS: Erdogan backed down. – Sca (talk)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: Osman Kavala (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​President of Turkey Recep Tayyip Erdogan announced that ambassadors of United States, Germany, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, and Sweden will be declared "persona non grata" after the demand for the release of civil society activist Osman Kavala (Post)
News source(s): FT, CNBC
Credits:

Article updated
  • Oppose Not significant yet development. 180.254.162.137 (talk) 00:52, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Wait and see what the actual impact of this is. Also, if it becomes notable, maybe we should have a separate article and bold that article instead? Joseph2302 (talk) 09:20, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose – Considering the autocratic, mercurial source, this banishing of ambassadors doesn't seem truly significant or impactful – at least, not yet. – Sca (talk) 12:13, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[]
PS: Nominating IP address listed as blocked. – Sca (talk) 13:32, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Editor Sca announced that the nominating IP address 109.252.201.66 will be declared "persona non grata". WaltCip-(talk) 14:46, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose - This may have the start of something larger in diplomacy, but this seems like a lot more of sabre-rattling and not a significant development. --Masem (t) 13:08, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose - Well, it got us talking about it, I suppose. But there's no geopolitical implications outside of this without having to resort to rubbing the crystal ball.--WaltCip-(talk) 14:41, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[]
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October 22[edit]

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RD: Peter Scolari[edit]

Article: Peter Scolari (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety, Fox News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Bosom Buddies (with Tom Hanks), Newhart actor. CoatCheck (talk) 20:17, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • Oppose Article is in bad shape, a lot of unsourced sentences (not to mention filmography section). --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:15, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]

(Posted) RD: Udo Zimmermann[edit]

Article: Udo Zimmermann (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Tagesspiegel
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The third death today (news today, DOD could also be 21, or 15), leading composer and music organiser who was great in East Germany and managed to remain important after reunifaication. An article I had expanded before, not much work for a change. Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:20, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • Comment – Prominent figure in the Classical arenas of both Germanies and thereafter. Another fairly comprehensive RD article. – Sca (talk) 21:38, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support Adequate depth of coverage, referenced. SpencerT•C 23:20, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support Looks ready. Pawnkingthree (talk) 02:03, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support The article is in good shape and well-referenced. Hanamanteo (talk) 02:20, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Posted --Jayron32 12:07, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]

October 21[edit]

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  • 2021 North Kosovo crisis
    • A working group to find a more permanent solution to the license plate issue, consisting of negotiators from the governments of Kosovo and Serbia, meet for the first time in Brussels. If negotiations are successful, the group will announce their proposals in 6 months. (Gazeta Tema)

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(Posted) RD: Halyna Hutchins[edit]

Article: Halyna Hutchins (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Ukrainian director of photography Halyna Hutchins is shot and killed in a prop gun incident on the set of her final film, Rust. (Post)
News source(s): Interfax, CBC, Variety
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Open deletion discussion is decidevley "keep" -- Andrei (talk) 18:15, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • Comment: Let's not post this on MainPage till after the AfD is closed. Also, please be reminded that the Filmography section needs to be referenced. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 18:30, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    Added more links --Andrei (talk) 18:35, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    I've closed the AfD as a WP:SNOW keep. Elli (talk | contribs) 19:59, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Blurb Shot by a Hollywood A-lister quite famous actor while making a movie about manslaughter and miscarriage of justice. Basically The Crow, but with roles reversed, charges reduced and a notable co-casualty. Not a "transformative" cinematographer, but definitely a big story here. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:48, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    • Consensus has already determined that the inadvertent shotting is not a ITN blurbworthy story (see below). And to have a relatively unknown actress qualify for a blurb is highly questionable (this is not a Kobe Bryant-level of importance). --Masem (t) 21:54, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
      That was before all the victims were notable. And no, she wasn't Kobe Bryant. But she wasn't retired, either, arguably at the contemporary top of her field (which wasn't acting). InedibleHulk (talk) 22:04, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support RD – Not blurb-worthy but the article has quickly passed GNG requirements so there's no reason to withhold it from RD now. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 22:00, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support RD I know there's still questions about why a prop gun was loaded and likely more details at the movie article, but it would be nice to see a statement from Baldwin or investigations related to the death, eg [5], at least as I read the media, they definitely don't seem to be blaming Baldwin for the death (whether legally he will be is a different question). --Masem (t) 22:04, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    Accidents are blurbable, too, not just murders. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:08, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    Added his tweet, anyway, sure doesn't seem malicious. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:31, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment Whether to blurb or not was already decided a few posts below this, and the result was "no". It's too late to relitigate that. This is only for deciding RD. Mlb96 (talk) 23:13, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    This target article didn't even exist when four people voted for four hours on an upcoming movie's article and/or a sentence semantically about a living actor and producer. Whole other nom here, about a recent death. No blurb specified, though. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:22, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support RD Article is well sourced, I would support a blurb but I feel a consensus won't be reached in time (which sucks). --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:14, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    If you had, we'd be tied 2-2 right now, just saying. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:44, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Full Disclosure I wrote that blurb, uncredited, after the last vote. The nominator does not necessarily support it, and should be presumed "RD only". I was not compensated in any way for interfering in this process, and am not part of any relevant artist's guild. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:42, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support blurb. This story is generating significant news coverage and the article is in good shape. -- Tavix (talk) 02:21, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support RD, extremely strong oppose blurb The death is tragic, but she was in no way notable enough for a blurb; had Alex Baldwin been the one killed, I would argue that he would not be worthy of a blurb. This is a story of morbid curiosity but zero lasting impact (with the possible exception of reform I'm regards to weapon safety on set). -- Kicking222 (talk) 02:36, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment InedibleHulk, could you stop being POINT-y? You're disrupting the discussion. Someone with more experience than I should TROUT you. Baldwin is no A-lister and Hutchins is nowhere near top of her field. This is a tabloid-level story dominating a slow news cycle. 202.8.114.140 (talk) 03:57, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Posted as RD --PFHLai (talk) 05:34, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[]

(Posted) RD: Martha Henry[edit]

Article: Martha Henry (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC News; Toronto Star; The Stratford Beacon Herald
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 17:05, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • Comment One cn tag, otherwise everything seems ok Scaramouche33 (talk) 17:35, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support because of how prolific she was. Connor Behan (talk) 22:42, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Posted --PFHLai (talk) 06:16, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[]

RD: Mike McCoy (businessman)[edit]

Article: Mike McCoy (businessman) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Dallas Morning News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: First reported today (October 21); died on October 17 (i.e. provable gap of at least two days). —Bloom6132 (talk) 11:57, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • A little short, but at >1700 characters, it's long enough to not be considered a stub. There are footnotes where there are expected. This wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 17:11, 24 October 2021 (UTC) [Update: 2000+ characters long now. --PFHLai (talk) 18:22, 26 October 2021 (UTC)][]
  • Oppose Insufficient depth of coverage. Opening sentence states that he is an "American oil and gas businessman" yet this is only mentioned in 1 sentence in the article. Needs more information regarding his professional career. SpencerT•C 23:39, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    • Spencer, I believe that it was a mistake to state in the opening sentence that McCoy was an oil & gas businessman, as he was more widely known as a sports owner & executive. I have re-arranged the materials in the intro. I have also added a little bit on his career in the industry to the wikibio. I hope this is enough. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 01:22, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[]
      • Still a little too slim for me to support but my oppose is struck. SpencerT•C 03:23, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[]
        • Thanks for striking. --PFHLai (talk) 18:22, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support Looks fine, long enough and sourced.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:49, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose per Spencer. The career section is almost entirely about one thing, which leaves almost nothing on the rest of his career. Needs a bit more detail before I'd consider it ready I'm afraid.  — Amakuru (talk) 08:52, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[]

(Closed) Rust shooting accident[edit]

Consensus will not develop to post. --Tone 14:43, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

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Article: Rust (upcoming film) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​American actor and film producer Alec Baldwin accidentally kills cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and injures director Joel Souza with a prop gun on the set of the film Rust. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: The story is really a very unusual incident, which is top news in the media today. --Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:48, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose this blurb makes it look like there's an article for the incident, which there isn't. It's four sentences in an article about an upcoming film, and that's all it will ever me. Tragic- yes. ITN-worthy- no. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:55, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose. I don't think this would be in the news if it did not involve Baldwin. In essence this is a tragic workplace accident. 331dot (talk) 10:57, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • But it did involve Baldwin. I doubt Cumbre Vieja would have made the news if it had not erupted. He's in the news in both UK and US? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:16, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose on quality based on minimal update on a stubby film page, Rust (upcoming film). Probably oppose on significance of the event too, a (currently) accidental but tragic death of a person that might not have a standalone page.—Bagumba (talk) 11:36, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose – Lacks general significance – unless it could be shown that this was not an accident. – Sca (talk) 12:12, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
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(Posted) RD: Bernard Haitink[edit]

Article: Bernard Haitink (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times, Classic FM, Gramophone, Spiegel
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Famous Dutch conductor. Article already in fairly decent shape, needs a little bit of touching up and should be good to go. NorthernFalcon (talk) 02:56, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • Support It looks good article, however its lead should be improved.--Seyyed(t-c) 03:49, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment: Multiple CN tags that need to be addressed. SpencerT•C 06:48, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose two orange-tagged sections, and multiple other cn tags that need to be addressed. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:54, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    • Just one section now - Awards and honours - that needs attention. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:55, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
      much improved since I saw it, - working on it Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:38, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    • upd: Joseph, there are still a few unreferenced awards (commented out), and two of these final concerts (commented out), but I don't believe missing them makes the article unencyclopedic. I need a break for fresh air, - would be pleasantly surprised if someone revived those bits with refs. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:40, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment – Looks good to me. – Sca (talk) 13:36, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support. Much improved, well sourced throughout. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:03, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment – Quite comprehensive as RDs go – over 1,000 words. Suggest post. – Sca (talk) 21:29, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    I make it now 1,425. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:00, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    What else is required here? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:28, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    Sometimes they just wait for the "oldest" one on the page to have at least 24 hours. (And sometimes they don't.) I'll nominate the next shortly, it's sad. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:49, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    Oh, do they? I didn't know. Have they written that down anywhere? I guess that has a certain logic, as there's a finite amount of space. But not sure if that prevents this being marked as "Ready". Perhaps it should be marked "Ready (awaiting a slot)"? Martinevans123 (talk) 09:56, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment – This significant RD has been ready to be posted for 16 hours. There's no editorial reason to delay it any longer. (I don't understand the Halyna Hutchins RD taking precedence over it, either.) – Sca (talk) 12:32, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Suggestion: The paragraph in the Career section on his involvement with Boston, London, Berlin, etc. has zero footnotes. Please add references. (There is a {cn} tag at the end of that paragraph now.) --PFHLai (talk) 12:42, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    Now fully addressed? (I suspect all of those facts can also be found in the existing sources). Martinevans123 (talk) 13:03, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    Thanks for the footnotes. --PFHLai (talk) 13:29, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Posted--PFHLai (talk) 13:29, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[]

(Posted) RD: Einár [edit]

Article: Einár (rapper) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [6], [7]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 --BabbaQ (talk) 01:09, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • Oppose. Basically a discography without context about his life or work. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 01:12, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
I have expanded it. And it has been deemed a Start article based on article content besides Discography.BabbaQ (talk) 01:18, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Have expanded the article further since above comments. Also added more sources.BabbaQ (talk) 07:38, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment it's 2183 characters long (excluding tables)- is there any more than can be said about him? If there really isn't then its just about long enough for RD. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:57, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Have added some additional information. It’s long enough for RD inclusion now. BabbaQ (talk) 09:10, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Weak support about long enough. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:58, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support Article has been expanded, and is of sufficient quality for posting to the main page. --Jayron32 12:47, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Posted. Black Kite (talk) 14:55, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]

(Posted) RD: Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi[edit]

Article: Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Forbes
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:43, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • Support looks fine for RD. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:27, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support Per above. ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 16:48, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support The article is in good shape and well-referenced. Hanamanteo (talk) 16:50, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Posting. --Tone 17:27, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[]

October 20[edit]

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(Posted) RD: Jerry Pinkney[edit]

Article: Jerry Pinkney (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.npr.org/2021/10/20/1047786312/jerry-pinkney-illustrator-obituary
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American illustrator and writer of children's books --PFHLai (talk) 15:35, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • Support Looks to be well-referenced. Pawnkingthree (talk) 02:07, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Posted. I fixed a couple of missing cites.  — Amakuru (talk) 08:50, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[]

(Posted) RD: Hans Haselböck[edit]

Article: Hans Haselböck (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Die Presse
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Influential organist, concerts in the world, teaching in Vienna over decades, pioneer of a new church music after the Vatican Council, - and no article in English until now! Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:58, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • Support The article is in good shape and well-referenced. Hanamanteo (talk) 13:07, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Posted --PFHLai (talk) 16:15, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[]

(Posted) 2021 Barbadian presidential election[edit]

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Article: 2021 Barbadian presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​Dame Sandra Mason (pictured) is elected as the first President of Barbados. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Barbados becomes a republic, with Parliament electing Sandra Mason (pictured) as the first President of Barbados
Alternative blurb II: ​Ahead of Barbados becoming a republic, Parliament elects Sandra Mason as the country's first President
News source(s): BBC, Reuters
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: The former Governor-General will serve as President when Barbados becomes a republic. Joofjoof (talk) 23:05, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • Support. Change in head of state, and in system of government. Article is small (~start class) but cited throughout. I don't believe we should be using a title ("dame") in the blurb though but I could be wrong. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ 23:20, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment - This is a bit trick to me. This seems to be a ceremonial position and an indirect election. Am I right?--Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 00:15, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    • Yes, but it's also the election of the head of state who will succeed Queen Elizabeth when the Republic is established, so a little more significant than such elections would usually be. I'm personally mixed on whether or not it's ITN, or whether it would be better to wait until 30 November when the monarchy in Barbados officially ends, but I get why the conversation is occurring. Wizardoftheyear (talk) 00:56, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment: Not opposing, but I'd suggest waiting until 30 November, when the constitutional shift is to take place. Much bigger story. Moscow Mule (talk) 03:35, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment The issue is important however the article looks not good. It should be improved.--Seyyed(t-c) 03:52, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment I am broadly supportive of this. The article, while a bit short, is decent and the event is significant, but I do agree that it may make more sense to do it when the constitutional change actually takes effect. The blurb could also use revision to note that this is the first president of Barbados following Lizzie's removal. Melmann 07:19, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Well "Lizzie" hasn't been removed until the 30th, so we shouldn't be posting that yet. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:05, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support as it is notable that they are switching how their head of state is chosen. 331dot (talk) 09:02, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support whilst an unusual election, it's a change of head of state. Fine for it to run now, or on the 30th, which is when she becomes head of state. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:05, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment I also support posting this in November with a combined blurb. --Tone 09:07, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • ’’’Support altblurb’’’ Proposed an altblurb that clarifies the significance
  • Oppose posting now, wait until November 30. This election does not seem notable to me. The current Governor-General was nominated and approved by parliament to be the first president-elect, which appears to be a mostly ceremmonial role similar to her current role as Governor-General. I don't think we post when ceremonial heads of state change in other countries. Like others I agree the notable event is becoming a republic, which happens November 30. Arstoien (talk) 16:17, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    • Change to support altblurb. Jayron32 below makes a good point. Arstoien (talk) 18:36, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support for Nov 30 This is quite a big thing for Barbados. I like the alt blurb. Heythereimaguy (talk) 16:20, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support altblurb. It is in the news now, so it should be posted now. Waiting for arbitrary future dates when a story may or may not be in the news seems like a bad idea. If it's being covered now, we should post it now. --Jayron32 16:22, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support posting a blurb now, but I think altblurb is slightly misleading and the original blurb is insufficient. I think the best blurb would be one that says that Barbados is transitioning into a republic, but "Barbados becomes a republic" makes it sound like the change of government type is effective immediately. This is something they've been planning for over a year, and Parliament appointing their first president is just one of the last major steps in that process. I'd propose an altblurb myself but I'm not sure what the best way to word it is yet.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 19:19, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Added an altblurb II, similar to BBC headline. I bolded the link to Republicanism in Barbados rather than 2021 Barbadian presidential election because most seem to think the becoming a republic is the main story, not the election. Arstoien (talk) 23:43, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Thank you very much! Altblurb II is the most accurate one so far.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 19:09, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[]

(Posted) Sakharov Prize[edit]

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Article: Alexei Navalny (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​Russian opposition activist Alexei Navalny (pictured) is awarded the Sakharov Prize. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​Russian opposition activist Alexei Navalny (pictured) is awarded the Sakharov Prize for his contribution to protecting freedom of thought.
Alternative blurb II: ​Opposition politician Alexei Navalny (pictured) is awarded the Sakharov Prize for his work against corruption in Russia.
News source(s): Euronews, dpa, DW (Eng.), WaPo, NPR, AFP (Via Yahoo), NYT (paywalled)
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Update currently may be small, but otherwise the article looks ok. Brandmeistertalk 15:34, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]

These two aren't too bad. [8] [9] Favor the first one. – Sca (talk) 18:00, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support – A significant gesture vis-a-vis Russian autocracy. Favor Alt1. – Sca (talk) 17:43, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support – Worth putting in, considering the article quality and the significance of the subject.ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 18:13, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support while there are a few unsourced claims in the BLP, "it's got more than 400 refs" etc etc, and I haven't the energy to argue. It would be just fine to bold the prize article too which, after all, is a featured list and isn't in bad condition. I would say that. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:27, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support, as prize article is excellent, and this is a significant subject.Jackattack1597 (talk) 22:10, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Posted Stephen 23:39, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • If the EU awarding the Russian opposition leader in the current climate gets to ITN through ITNR, there may be something wrong with ITNR. Usedtobecool ☎️ 04:52, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    If you believe the Sakharov Prize winners should not be automatically assumed relevant news stories to post to the main page, the place to have the discussion is Wikipedia talk:In the news. --Jayron32 11:12, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[]

(Closed) Ongoing removal: COVID-19 pandemic[edit]

Consensus is not going to develop to remove this from ongoing. - Fuzheado | Talk 14:39, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

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Article: COVID-19 pandemic (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)
Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: Our oldest blurb is from October 14th. Since that day, nothing has been added to this article. Nothing at all. This plainly fails the Ongoing criteria the article needs to be regularly updated with new, pertinent information in every sense. If there is a specific article linked within this that is getting updates, then that article should be nominated for Ongoing. But we've had a static article featured on the Front Page for months that any interested reader has probably read many times over. If there is to be a specific carve-out for this particular article and Ongoing, please make a Talk section for it. I can't think of any non-IAR reason why this is still here. 130.233.213.141 (talk) 06:31, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support No longer an urgent developing story, overall, just became its own daily genre of mundane statistical reports, like weather, stocks or sports. New normal, as they say. Certainly doesn't need us to spotlight it anymore, if it ever did, the word's out. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:32, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose one would be hard-pressed to find a news outlet which doesn't publish COVID-related stories every day. Banedon (talk) 09:18, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support the requirement to stay on ongoing is that significant additions are being regularly made to an article. That isn't the case here, as there's barely any updates in October 2021. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:36, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose - this is still the single dominant story worldwide, even a year and a half after it started, and it still kills thousands every day. We've always treated it as an exception to the "continual updates" rule, in the interests of providing a quick link to this ongoing story from the main page. And having it as an Ongoing item was already a compromise given that we previously had a dedicated box to it at the top of ITN, whose removal many editors opposed.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:54, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    • When was there an agreed consensus to treat this as an exception? Joseph2302 (talk) 10:10, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose per Amakuru. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 10:09, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose The main reason why the article linked from ongoing doesn't receive regular updates is that it's already attained a stable version, and most of the daily updates are therefore done in its numerous sub-articles. If this is not enough to justify it, there are cases where we can invoke WP:IAR, and this is surely one of them. In the long run, we'll probably remove this from ongoing when WHO declares that the pandemic is over and post it in a blurb.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:18, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose Given the unequal distribution of vaccines globally and the unequal vaccination rates across different regions of individual countries, it's unlikely that the WHO will declare the pandemic to be over any time soon. So we can't wait for such an announcement. The only criteria we can use is public interest which is still very high and will remain so for a while Scaramouche33 (talk) 10:24, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose. The pandemic is not only still going on, it's still front-page news in many (perhaps most?) countries. Coronavirus stories are currently the top item on the websites of the BBC, CBC, Guardian, New York Times, Süddeutsche Zeitung etc. Life has not returned to 'normal' in most places. I understand the argument that the article isn't receiving frequent updates, which has merit. The traffic is also down to 20,000 hits per day - not insubstantial but not as high as I thought it would be. The numerous sub-articles are being updated, so we could switch the link to a more active target, but then it would be difficult to decide which one and we would be missing parts of the story. We shouldn't penalise an event for being so big that it spawned dozens of articles. This is the biggest news story since ITN began; I think we can treat it as a special case and IAR. Modest Genius talk 12:07, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose – Per Banedon, Amakuru. The pandemic remains the paramount condition of life on Earth and as such is comprehensively covered by RS media worldwide on a daily basis. – Sca (talk) 12:08, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose This is, quite literally, ongoing, and as others have said before, this is the biggest news story, and it's been so for over a year and a half. It would be wrong to remove this from Ongoing. Heythereimaguy (talk) 12:23, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose - We can't wish COVID-19 away. Even if vaccines are now widely available, the ongoing supply chain issue caused by pandemic lockdowns is definitely still present and covered by RS.--WaltCip-(talk) 12:36, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose The pandemic is ongoing and will be still for a long while. Sadly that link may remain there for a really long time but so be it. Rhino131 (talk) 12:52, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose per Amakuru.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:52, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Suggestion Would it be better to change the link to a piped link to Timeline of the COVID-19 pandemic in October 2021 which is fully referenced and regularly updated? We could just shift the link each month to the new month's timeline. Just a thought... --Jayron32 13:26, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    Well, that's listed in the 'Series' box below the infobox. Perhaps it should be added to 'See also' list below the text? – Sca (talk) 13:33, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    I would say no, at that would be an Easter Egg link. If we're keeping COVID-19 on ongoing, it should be the main article about it. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:41, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    A reasonable suggestion in principle, but in practice those timelines are a random selection of facts with little consistency and no coherent narrative. I doubt they would be of much use to readers. Modest Genius talk 13:42, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose. Still top news around the World. Change to "COVID-19 pandemic (October 2021)" to include an updated article without removing the main article. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:46, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose Plenty of daily updates in subarticles of the topic - the top level is too broad for most of those to perculoate into that. --Masem (t) 13:49, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment – The main problem with the Covid article is length – more than 18,000 words. That equates to some 70 pages of typescript, or over 500 column-inches of the newspaper type of yore. Maybe a contingent of courageous copy editors should set to work on paring it down somewhat? (Not that it's unimportant, it's just unwieldy.) – Sca (talk) 13:51, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose WP:IAR, much like the pandemic itself.—Bagumba (talk) 14:07, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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