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This page provides a forum for editors to suggest items for inclusion in Template:In the news (ITN), a protected Main Page template, as well as the forum for discussion of candidates. This is not the page to report errors in the ITN section on the Main Page—please go to the appropriate section at WP:ERRORS.

This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. Under each daily section header below is the transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day (with a light green header). Each day's portal page is followed by a subsection for suggestions and discussion.

Proxima Centauri
Proxima Centauri

How to nominate an item[edit]

In order to suggest a candidate:

  • Update an article to be linked to from the blurb to include the recent developments, or find an article that has already been updated.
  • Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated) in UTC.
    • Do not add sections for new dates. These are automatically generated (at midnight UTC) by a bot; creating them manually breaks this process. Remember, we use UTC dates.
  • Nominate the blurb for ITN inclusion under the "Suggestions" subheading for the date, emboldening the link in the blurb to the updated article. Use a level 4 header (====) when doing so.
    • Preferably use the template {{ITN candidate}} to nominate the article related to the event in the news. Make sure that you include a reference from a verifiable, reliable source. The suggested blurb should be written in simple present tense.
    • Adding an explanation why the event should be posted greatly increases the odds of posting. For recent deaths, please state why the person is notable enough to post - merely having a Wikipedia article is insufficient.
  • Please consider alerting editors to the nomination by adding the template {{ITN note}} to the corresponding article's talk page.

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There are criteria which guide the decision on whether or not to put a particular item on In the news, based largely on the extensiveness of the updated content and the perceived significance of the recent developments. These are listed at WP:ITN.

Submissions that do not follow the guidelines at Wikipedia:In the news will not be placed onto the live template.


  • Items that have been posted or pulled from the main page are generally marked with [Posted] or [Pulled] in the item's subject so it is clear they are no longer active.
  • Items can also be marked as [Ready] when the article is both updated and there seems to be a consensus to post. The posting admin, however, should always judge the update and the consensus to post themselves. If you find an entry that you don't feel is ready to post is marked [Ready], you should remove the header.

Voicing an opinion on an item[edit]

  • Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a brief (or detailed!) rationale for your choice. Comments and other objections are welcome, but this is the basic form.
  • Some jargon: RD refers to "recent deaths", a subsection of the news box which lists only the names of the recent notable deceased. Blurb refers to the full sentences that occupy most of the news box. Most eligible deaths will be listed in the recent deaths section of the ITN template. However, some deaths may be given a full listing if there is sufficient consensus to do so.
  • The blurb of a promoted ITN item may be modified to complement the existing items on the main page.

Please do not...[edit]

  • ... add simple "support" or "oppose" !votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are usually not helpful. Instead, explain the reasons why you think the item meets or does not meet the ITN inclusion criteria so a consensus can be reached.
  • ... oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive.
  • ... accuse other editors of supporting, opposing or nominating due a to personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). Conflicts of interest are not handled at ITN.
  • ... comment on a story without first reading the relevant article(s).
  • ... oppose an item because it is not on WP:ITN/R.
  • ... oppose a WP:ITN/R item here because you disagree with current WP:ITN/R criteria (these can be discussed at the relevant Talk Page)


August 27[edit]

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August 26[edit]

Portal:Current events/2016 August 26
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Dragonfly 44[edit]

Article: Dragonfly 44
Blurb: A newly-discovered galaxy known as Dragonfly 44 appears to be made up mostly of dark matter.
News source(s): (IBTimes)
Nominator: Shhhhwwww!! (talk • give credit)

Nominator's comments: Significant scientific discovery. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 12:14, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

  • Comment. The article is not remotely ready to be on the main page. Not sure whether or not this would be worth posting if a more substantial article were available. Dragons flight (talk) 12:52, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment - article is not ready per Dragons flight, but the idea is potentially postable. A lot depends on the technicalities, however, and if it is posted it will have to be carefully explained why this matters. I'll take a look at it when I can. Banedon (talk) 12:54, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Support if the Wiki-article is judged to be good enough. This observation is very interesting, it fits a lot better in the idea that dark matter doesn't primarily consist of subatomic particles but rather consists of massive black holes (20 to 100 times the solar mass). Such massive black holes can form in certain inflationary scenarios, see e.g. here, and they would then be able to act as the seeds for galaxies to form. In the usual particle dark matter theories, it's difficult to explain how galaxies with supermassive black holes formed very soon after the Big Bang. Also, the first detection of gravitational waves was due to a black hole merger that as pointed out here could well have been such primordial black holes. Count Iblis (talk) 18:07, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose primarily on article quality. It needs significant expansion with good sourcing. Will happily reconsider if this happens. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:53, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose stub, marked as such. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:16, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Papahānaumokuākea Marine National Monument[edit]

Proposed image
Article: Papahānaumokuākea Marine National Monument
Blurb: Barack Obama expands the Papahānaumokuākea Marine National Monument off the coast of Hawai'i, making it the largest national park on the planet.
News source(s): (The Washington Post)
Nominator: Shhhhwwww!! (talk • give credit)

Nominator's comments: It is one of the largest parks in the world and now the crowning legacy of Obama. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 12:14, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

  • Comment. I'm pretty sure the phrasing should be "largest marine reserve" or maybe "largest protected area" (depending on whether or not one chooses to count Antarctica). It's not a park, and marine reserves generally aren't described as such. Also, I don't think the suggested image is clear enough at this size to be useful. Dragons flight (talk) 12:44, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose I don't see the blurb referenced in the article, I do see "It is one of the largest marine protected areas (MPAs) in the world" and that's it. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:15, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Pegasus cyber warfare[edit]

Article: Pegasus (spyware)
Blurb: Apple Inc. fixes iOS vulnerability characterised as cyber-warfare
Alternative blurb: Apple Inc. fixes iOS vulnerability targeting human rights campaigners
Alternative blurb II: Apple Inc. fixes iOS vulnerability exploited by cyber-war company
News source(s):
Nominator and updater: Samsara (talk • give credit)

Nominator's comments: Major event linking tech news to geopolitics. Vulnerability affecting all iOS 9 devices - including about 900 million mobile phones worldwide. Samsara 12:30, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

  • Support More of this. security vulnerabilities of this caliber has big real-world significance. Thue (talk) 14:16, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Support - per user Thue.BabbaQ (talk) 15:18, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose for now. Article is a bit short. Would support with appropriate expansion. --Jayron32 15:32, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Is the story here about an American company fixing a flaw, an Israeli company accused of creating the software or the Emirati activist who clicked on a link? I can't tell from the blurbs or the article. Fuebaey (talk) 16:32, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
    • Agree, the blurbs need clarification, at least what sort of vulnerability it is. Brandmeistertalk 17:50, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
      • Technically, there are three vulnerabilities - too much detail for a blurb. Samsara 18:04, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
I ask because a link to the article is not included in the blurbs, and without a point of focus I am unsure where to suggest adding it. The Israeli company, NSO Group actually has a better update and might be worth considering here. Fuebaey (talk) 20:11, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Support.--WaltCip (talk) 17:04, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose what's the blurb linking to what article? The Rambling Man (talk) 21:14, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

August 25[edit]

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RD: Rudy Van Gelder[edit]

Article: Rudy Van Gelder
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): NY Times KQED
Nominator: Challenger l (talk • give credit)

Per this RFC, the nomination of any person with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article.

Nominator's comments: Article looks pretty good, could use a few more sources and a pic (if possible) Challenger l (talk) 08:44, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

  • Oppose too many citations needed. Picture irrelevant, not going in as a blurb. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:17, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

[Ready] RD: Sonia Rykiel[edit]

Article: Sonia Rykiel
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): BBC, NY Times, Vogue, Deutsche Welle
Nominator and updater: JuneGloom07 (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Per this RFC, the nomination of any person with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article.

Nominator's comments: French fashion designer, known as the "Queen of Knitwear". Rykiel was also a writer. She received several French honours, including the Legion of Honor from two presidents. The article needs some work, as it's mostly unsourced. JuneGloom07 Talk 15:39, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

  • Oppose I had a bit of a crack at this earlier, but it's nowhere near ready, poor grammar, bad English, mainly unreferenced, some updates needed. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:51, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose I also had a look earlier, needs a lot of work to bring it up to main page standard. MurielMary (talk) 21:04, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
Change to support. Great work on improvements, nice to have an image of her work as well. Agree it's "ready". MurielMary (talk) 21:14, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
    • I've rewritten and sourced everything, but the honors section. I could use some help with that, if anyone has a bit of spare time. - JuneGloom07 Talk 21:49, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Great work, JuneGloom, much improved. Almost ready! MurielMary (talk) 10:12, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
    • With the exception of two honours, everything is now sourced. User:Fuebaey did a great job helping out with that section. - JuneGloom07 Talk 20:45, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
  • support after improvements. Great.BabbaQ (talk) 21:05, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment vastly improved, good work, ready to go. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:13, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

[Posted] Fall of Qayyarah[edit]

Article: Mosul offensive (2016)
Blurb: The Iraqi Armed Forces capture Qayyarah from Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant
Alternative blurb: Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi declares Iraqi Armed Forces have captured Qayyarah from Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant
News source(s): Al Jazeera, Andalou Agency
Nominator and updater: Newsboy39 (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: An important town that is centre of a region containing large amounts of oil. In addition, its capture is strategically important as it cuts off routes between ISIL-controlled Nineveh Governorate and ISIL-controlled Kirkuk GovernorateNewsboy39 (talk) 19:02, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

  • For starters, we should have kept the ISIL conflict in Iraq posted in ongoing. Apart from that, if this can be confirmed, support as a significant occurrence in the war.--WaltCip (talk) 20:16, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
Do you have an appropriately updated article I can post in ongoing for you?--Jayron32 23:51, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
Jayron32 Were you asking me? Newsboy39 (talk) 00:12, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
Nope.--Jayron32 02:15, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Support - looks pretty obvious to me. Banedon (talk) 00:42, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose/Wait - not convinced by the importance. Is there any objective measure of the town's importance? e.g. population or oil production numbers? HaEr48 (talk) 04:00, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
Comment: HaEr48 The oil fields of Qayyarah produces 8,000 barrels of oil per day according to Oil production and smuggling in ISIL and the region contains over 800 million barrels of oil reserves according to Qayyarah subdistrict. Newsboy39 (talk) 09:45, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Posted No substantive objections on quality, and I checked myself and it looks fine. --Jayron32 18:00, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

[Closed] Iraqi Defence Minister impeached[edit]

Closed as nomination withdrawn with no supporting !votes. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:58, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Proposed image
Article: Khaled al-Obaidi
Blurb: Defence Minister of Iraq Khaled al-Obaidi is impeached in a no-confidence vote
News source(s): Haaretz, Stratfor
Nominator and updater: Newsboy39 (talk • give credit)

Article updated
Nominator's comments: The post of Defence Minister is an important one and Khaled al-Obaidi is the first defence minister to be impeached since fall of Saddam's government. His impeachment assumed even more signifance as Iraqi forces are preparing to assault Mosul in order to take it back from Islamic State of Iraq and the LevantNewsboy39 (talk) 11:32, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose. We don't often post articles about government officials below the head-of-state level, and I don't see this case as being significant enough to warrant an exception. Also, the article leaves a lot to be desired. At present, it does not explain what he has done as Defense Minister or what led him to be sacked. Dragons flight (talk) 12:23, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose Pretty much per Dragons flight. Article is a stub and would need expanding. The article update on this story literally is "became minister in 2014 and 22 months later was voted out". Firstly, what did he [not] do during that time that made him significant? I'm guessing that shouldn't be in short supply given the amount of violence currently occurring in Iraq. Secondly, what led up to his removal? There's a brief mention of corruption, but there's no context to it. Fuebaey (talk) 16:59, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Withdrawal of submission by author: I agree with some of the objections raised by others. I'll try to improve the artice though I'm not sure if I will be able to. Therefore I think it is better to withdraw this. I request the administrators to please close this request. Newsboy39 (talk) 18:53, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

August 24[edit]

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  • A police officer from Bethel, Alaska, will be sentenced to prison for charges related to police brutality in a 2014 case involving an intoxicated man. The charges followed an investigation by the Federal Bureau of Investigations civil rights division. The former officer, Andrew Reid, was found to have used excessive force and lying on official police reports. The victim suffered a separated shoulder and other injuries. (Alaska Dispatch News)
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RD: Michel Butor[edit]

Article: Michel Butor
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Le Monde
Nominator: Bagoto (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Per this RFC, the nomination of any person with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article.

Nominator's comments: Notable novelist, poet and critic during the rise of Structuralism and the nouveau roman. Article is of considerable length. Bagoto (talk) 22:35, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

  • Oppose on several grounds. Article is brief (only 4-ish paragraphs); not well organized (first paragraph about early life mentions his awards); not updated for tenses on his death; has irrelevant minor details e.g. someone said he would like to sit next to Butor at dinner; lacks citations for awards. MurielMary (talk) 02:51, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose per MurielMary. The Rambling Man (talk) 05:29, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

[Posted] Proxima Centauri b[edit]

Proposed image
Article: Proxima Centauri b
Blurb: The exoplanet Proxima Centauri b is discovered in the habitable zone around Proxima Centauri, the star closest to the Sun.
News source(s): Nature BBC The Economist NY Times
Nominator: Sandstein (talk • give credit)

Nominator's comments: Astronomical discovery of historical significance.  Sandstein  17:57, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

  • Oppose The article suffers from some referencing problems, which is a quality issue. Would need to remove those cn issues. A high proportion of factual information, which should be referencable, lacks cites. Fix that and I'd support. --Jayron32 18:01, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
@Jayron32: It looks like the sourcing has now been substantially improved. Also currently on the front page of most mainstream media websites.  Sandstein  20:16, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Change to Support per recent growth and improvements in citations. --Jayron32 23:35, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Support This is a prominent discovery, since the planet orbits not only the nearest star to the solar system, but has properties similar to Earth, and orbits within the habitable zone. The quality of the article is sufficient now. Facts are sourced either in the prose or in the infobox, usually not both. Gap9551 (talk) 20:31, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Now. I don't know if this is bigger than Sputnik, but it's probably the biggest news you've had a chance to feature. And the editors have even put in the work to build the article already! That's a bonus, not a requirement, when it's something like this. Knock off something from your lugubrious litany of pointless deaths and put this up now. Wnt (talk) 20:52, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Support: The nature of the discovery is very important (and probably historic). The article contains sufficient info about the topic and well sourced. HaEr48 (talk) 21:01, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Support: This is a major discovery. I think the article is sufficiently developed and will continue to improve. -Darouet (talk) 21:57, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Support: This is like the mythical cure for cancer alluded to in the guidelines, and should be posted now regardless of article quality. Banedon (talk) 23:33, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
    I could write some bullshit in an article about a cure for cancer; if it isn't properly cited, how do you know the information is trustworthy? Should we post hoaxes merely because they are interesting hoaxes? --Jayron32 23:36, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
    Because I've seen the non-Wikipedia RS. Unless you are alleging a multiple-RS conspiracy to fool Wikipedia, the basic idea that there is a planet around our closest star is trustworthy. If you think the "cure for cancer" line should not be in the guidelines, feel free to remove it. Banedon (talk) 23:45, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
    Good for you. How does it serve the readers if you've seen the sources, and refuse to add them to the article? --Jayron32 01:29, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
    And how does it serve our readers that you spend time trashtalking me instead of improving the article yourself? Sheesh. Banedon (talk) 01:32, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
    You said you had access to sources and stated you wanted others to post this article though you didn't want to put them in the article. I have no particular interest one way or the other. You care, and you have the ability to fix the problem. That's why you should fix it. --Jayron32 08:32, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
    I am not particularly interested in talking to you about this topic anymore. As of time of writing, I have 9 edits to that article. You have zero. The end. Banedon (talk) 08:39, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
    The discovery of the planet itself was properly sourced from the start, but some factual details were not, and some were later shown to be incorrect and fixed. Gap9551 (talk) 23:49, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
    (e/c) You are totally right, and your initial oppose was fully appropriate. We should never showcase insufficiently sourced articles. If the topic is very important, it will attract editors, and the article quality will improve soon enough anyway. Gap9551 (talk) 23:47, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Posted. I haven't used the image as it is only an artists' impression; but if someone else thinks the existing image should be replaced with this one feel free to do it. Black Kite (talk) 23:44, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
  • I applaud the restraint of our editors in not giving into the sensationalism that the media usually suffers from with regards to space news. It's enough to say that this planet is in the "habitable zone" and not use buzzterms like "earth-like" or "might sustain intelligent life".--WaltCip (talk) 12:05, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

RD: Walter Scheel[edit]

Article: Walter Scheel
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Die Zeit, Spiegel online
Nominator: Sca (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Per this RFC, the nomination of any person with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article.

Nominator's comments: Former president (head of state) and former foreign minister of (West) Germany. Sca (talk) 15:47, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

  • Oppose Article quality (mostly referencing) is substandard. Needs a lot more references to be sufficient. Some expansion wouldn't hurt either. I would expect a head-of-state of a major world power to have more than a screen's worth of text about their life story. I wouldn't hold it up over the length, however, if the referencing were better. --Jayron32 16:22, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Tagged it. Touching on what Jayron32 said - although the president is mainly ceremonial, I'd expect a brief paragraph on his 5-year role. As is, it looks as if the office was a footnote in his political career. Surely there are sources on the politicking after Brandt's resignation and Scheel being manoeuvred into office; the FDP alone wouldn't have had the numbers to get him there. Were there any significant events during his presidency? Fuebaey (talk) 16:55, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
Per RFC, we needn't argue notability. However, my impression is, Scheel as foreign minister was a figure of medium importance in the Ostpolitik of Brandt & Co. (He was succeeded by Genscher, a figure of major importance.) Sca (talk) 00:14, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
Sorry, I was trying to give a scope for expansion. It is still unlikely to be posted with referencing unaddressed. Fuebaey (talk) 02:00, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
In any case, his notability seems associated with the post of foreign minister, not with that of president, which in Ger. is essentially ceremonial. Sca (talk) 02:03, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose in current state as too many unreferenced statements. MurielMary (talk) 02:48, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose per the above. The Rambling Man (talk) 05:30, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
It's not particularly relevant, but I was surprised to learn that Scheel was also a singer ... of sorts. (Not my sort!) Sca (talk) 20:11, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

[Posted] Earthquake in central Italy[edit]

Article: 2016 Central Italy earthquake
Blurb: At least 37 people are killed as an earthquake of magnitude 6.2 strikes central Italy.
News source(s): CNN
Nominator: MurielMary (talk • give credit)

Nominator's comments: unfolding event; suggest adding blurb later as story develops MurielMary (talk) 09:16, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

  • Support once we've expanded beyond the decent stub. One more para should do as we get more information. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:27, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Support without expansion. The article looks good. - 2A02:2F0B:B0B6:C600:7D8C:124E:8321:15DA (talk) 09:36, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Support - The confirmed death toll has now risen to 37. (BBC) AlexTiefling (talk) 09:55, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Support. Expansion would be good (obviously) but I don't think it's required. Thryduulf (talk) 10:05, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment: I think the blurb should be modified to: At least 37 people are killed as an earthquake of magnitude 6.2 strikes central Italy. MikeLynch (talk) 10:11, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
    Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:12, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Posted. MikeLynch (talk) 10:18, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Fall of Jarabulus[edit]

Article: Jarabulus offensive (2016)
Blurb: Turkish-backed Syrian opposition captures Jarabulus from Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant
News source(s): CNN, Business Insider, BBC
Nominator and updater: Newsboy39 (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: The town was important as it was the only border crossing left under ISIL control from where they smuggled fighters and equipment. Newsboy39 (talk) 19:39, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

  • Merge with the other nomination into one blurb. Banedon (talk) 05:40, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

August 23[edit]

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  • Philippine officials believe they may have recovered biggest natural giant clam pearl in the world — weighing 34kg. Officials are awaiting confirmation from gemologists that the find is indeed the world's largest pearl. If confirmed, it will beat the current record holder, the Pearl of Lao Tzu, which weighs 6.4kg. (BBC)
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RD: Morihiko Hiramatsu[edit]

Article: Morihiko Hiramatsu
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Japan Times
Nominator and updater: Dharmadhyaksha (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Per this RFC, the nomination of any person with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article.

Nominator's comments: He died on 21 August but death was announced on 23 August. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 05:08, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

  • Oppose - very brief, not well organised (the information about other country's programmes isn't together with his project in Japan which they are supposedly modelled on), some unclear statements (what is the relevance of the statement about the Asia Pacific University??) And why did he get an award for being a friend of China - there's nothing in the article to suggest he did anything with China? MurielMary (talk) 09:44, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
Resolved them now. Please check. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 10:22, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Sea Shepherd[edit]

Articles: Sea Shepherd Conservation Society and Whaling in Japan
Blurb: Anti-whaling group Sea Shepherd reaches agreement with the Institute of Cetacean Research to no longer disrupt Japan's annual whale hunts.
News source(s): BBC, Bloomberg, Kyodo via Nikkei Asia Review (talk) 06:55, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

  • Oppose because BBC story states that this settlement is only with Sea Shepherd's US organization; their Australian organization, which primarily is the one who fights the whalers, has said this does not affect them and that they will continue. 331dot (talk) 10:27, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose seems pretty minor. 331dot raises a good point. Aside from that, Sea Shepherd is only one private institution contesting the whaling activities. The whaling in Japan article also deals with broad swathes of issues not related to this case, and so it is at most only tangentially related. In fact as of time of writing I can't find mention of this case anywhere. Banedon (talk) 05:31, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

[Posted] RD: Esther Jungreis[edit]

Article: Esther Jungreis
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): The Jewish Week
Nominator: MurielMary (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Per this RFC, the nomination of any person with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article.

Nominator's comments: Brief but well sourced article on a Jewish speaker/writer. MurielMary (talk) 01:21, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

  • Oppose. The "writings" section is completely unsourced, and the "Awards, recognition" section is sourced almost entirely to a dead link. Thryduulf (talk) 10:10, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
    Second of those fixed thanks to the Wayback Machine. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:17, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
    Added citations to the "writings" section. MurielMary (talk) 10:42, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Tagging "attention needed" for further assessment/comment. MurielMary (talk) 21:05, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Weak support article is okay, improved from first viewing, nothing special but no major omissions. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:59, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Posted, on the short side but reasonably referenced. Stephen 23:17, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

RD: Steven Hill[edit]

Article: Steven Hill
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): NY Times
Nominator: Ad Orientem (talk • give credit)

Per this RFC, the nomination of any person with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article.

Nominator's comments: Well known actor for roles in Mission Impossible and as DA Adam Schiff in Law and Order. Article appears to be in generally good shape though a couple of paragraphs need sources. I will work on that directly. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:43, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

  • Support - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 18:30, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Support - there are a few sentences without inline citations but I am confident these can be cleaned up in due course. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 19:49, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Support on improvements - there are a couple of places where more citations are needed, once that is done, it looks solid. Challenger l (talk) 23:08, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose too many outstanding citations. I've tagged several places, but there are a few more long sentences/sequences of sentences with a single source that I would need to check whether are fully supported but I don't have time currently. Thryduulf (talk) 10:18, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose too many citations needed right now, and a whole heap of appearances which don't have references or even a Wikipedia article to back them up. Please also note I've removed a fair use image which had no rationale for inclusion in this article. Watch out for those... The Rambling Man (talk) 10:24, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

August 22[edit]

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[Posted] RD: S. R. Nathan[edit]

Article: S. R. Nathan
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): [1], [2], [3]
Nominator: starship.paint (talk • give credit)
Updater: Smuconlaw (talk • give credit)

Per this RFC, the nomination of any person with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article.

Nominator's comments: Longest serving President of Singapore (1999 to 2011) starship.paint ~ KO 14:32, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

  • I saw this earlier on Deaths in 2016. Glanced over it and saw several {{cn}} tags. I'll probably review it properly later. Fuebaey (talk) 14:40, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
Went over it earlier, seems okay now. Fuebaey (talk) 20:52, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment. The referencing is not yet at the required standard. It doesn't seem to have improved since I last looked at it; is anyone working on it? Espresso Addict (talk) 02:23, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
There are still whole unreferenced paragraphs. Espresso Addict (talk) 03:23, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Weak oppose I'm still seeing a handful of unreferenced sentences. The Rambling Man (talk) 05:56, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
  • I don't have time to check this fully (wrong end of day), but the citation lacks I spotted earlier now seem covered. Good work. Espresso Addict (talk) 14:40, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Posted, sufficiently improved. Stephen 23:26, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

[Removed] 2016 Turkish purges[edit]

Article: 2016 Turkish purges
Ongoing item removal
Nominator: Fuebaey (talk • give credit)

Nominator's comments: This event has been linked on ongoing since 26 July, and six days prior to that as a blurb after an unsuccessful coup attempt on 15 July. The last significant thing I read from this was an arrest warrant for footballer/soccer player Hakan Şükür ten days ago and the most recent addition to the article was a UN reaction a few days ago. Not enough in my opinion to sustain this event on ongoing. Fuebaey (talk) 14:15, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

  • Support It's fallen off the radar for most of the world's press/media. We can revisit the topic if something significant happens. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:19, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Support removal it's all gone quiet over there, at least as far as global news goes. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:30, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Removed Stephen 23:17, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
Actually is not uquiet with the new war on PKK and continued purges p[4]Lihaas (talk) 16:32, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
That may be true, but the requirement to be posted on Ongoing is frequent updates to the article (generally often enough as to outpace postings on ITN). The fact that the article history shows no major updates in well over a week, excepting a few incidental "politician makes statement" type updates, is why this was removed. If you'd like to see it remain in "ongoing" you'd need to keep updating the article with substantive information over several days, and demonstrate that it is continuously changing and the article is continuously updated. --Jayron32 18:27, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

[Posted] RD: Toots Thielemans[edit]

Article: Toots Thielemans
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): [5], [6], [7]
Nominator: (talk • give credit)
Updater: (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Per this RFC, the nomination of any person with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article.

Nominator's comments: Globally known harmonica player, played with all the greats. (talk) 10:21, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

  • Oppose several whole paragraphs completely unreferenced. MurielMary (talk) 10:31, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Few references - most of the article is a bullet list - it feels very lacking in substance. Everything in order now. Kudos to the anon that cleaned it up - great work! Challenger l (talk) 03:36, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Weak support Strong Support – the article is improving, now having references throughout and a new section. Looks more substantial now. The person in question also seems highly notable, though I may be biased as I'm currently living in the Netherlands. I don't know how much international interest this person has. ~Mable (chat) 20:21, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
Quite a bit in the jazz arena, ie. "Toots Thielemans - Live At The Hague Jazz Festival (2010)" --Light show (talk) 21:46, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
Article definitely meets standards now. ~Mable (chat) 22:32, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Support. Updated and improved. --Light show (talk) 03:38, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
    Thanks for your work, Light show! ---Sluzzelin talk 03:54, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
  • There isn't a single reference for his body of work, including all his appearances as a side man. Stephen 04:12, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
I added many to the Discography section. The Side man section has links going to their own articles, most of which seem to have his name included. --Light show (talk) 08:29, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Support. After the recent improvements. The harmonica player for the Sesame Street theme should be recognised. Only in death does duty end (talk) 08:36, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment still at least two explicit citation needed tags. Thryduulf (talk) 10:22, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Posted improved sufficiently, and I added a couple of bare URLs for those cites that I'll fix up. Stephen 10:29, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

August 21[edit]

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[Posted] Remove: Summer Olympics[edit]

Article: Chronological summary of the 2016 Summer Olympics
Ongoing item removal
Nominator: Brandmeister (talk • give credit)

Nominator's comments: Now that the games are officially over after the closing ceremony suggest removing from Ongoing. The tenses in the main article seem to be updated accordingly. Brandmeistertalk 08:54, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

  • Support removal no-brainer. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:55, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Switch to a blurb about the closing ceremony(once updated), which is ITNR. 331dot (talk) 09:00, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Removed from ongoing, added blurb. Feel free to improve it, this one is not particularly inspirational ... --Tone 11:25, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment while the closing ceremony is ITNR, I didn't see a clear consensus here that it was in a fit state to post. I'm not getting to prissy about it, but when some admins make such decisions, they're scrutinised and criticised. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:31, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
    • I agree the closing ceremonies article is in rather poor shape. The Olympics Ongoing going have been removed without having a replacement blurb in place and once this was up to spec as ITNR then we could have posted. --MASEM (t) 20:45, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

[Posted to RD] RD:Donald Henderson[edit]

Article: Donald Henderson
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s):
Nominator: JzG (talk • give credit)
Updater: (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Per this RFC, the nomination of any person with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article.

Nominator's comments: Responsible for the smallpox eradication campaign, the first and to date only successful eradication of an infectious disease. Smallpox killed up to half a billion people in the 20th Century alone, before its eradication in the 1970s. Guy (Help!) 21:57, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

  • A hugely important figure, I think actually a blurb is justified. This man saved more lives than possibly any other single doctor of our age. Guy (Help!) 21:57, 21 August 2016 (UTC)??
  • Support RD and certainly tempted by a blurb. Per the nom, the individual was a legend of vaccinations, and has made a proper, long-term global impact, probably more so than Thatcher and Bowie. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:13, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Support RD an exemplary life deserves a quality Wikipedia page, and quality would seem to be the case here. I would not oppose a blurb either if it comes to that. And if it does, then obviously we'd have to make sure any of the other targeted articles in the blurb pass muster, too. Christian Roess (talk) 22:53, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Support RD. There are a couple of uncited awards but the article generally looks in good shape for posting. Espresso Addict (talk) 23:08, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Support RD, oppose blurb Article is good shape for RD posting but it lacks the quality of an FA that I would expect to elevate an unsurprising death by old age to a blurb. --MASEM (t) 23:12, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
  • This person is notable for his life, not his death; Death of Donald Henderson isn't even a redirect. Proposing blurbs for people that would have passed muster under the previous Recent Deaths criteria because Recent Deaths isn't special enough for them anymore defeats the entire purpose of Recent Deaths. —Cryptic 03:53, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Support RD Article in good shape - though a sad tragedy, the circumstances of his death do not seem particularly unusual or noteworthy. Challenger l (talk) 13:16, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Support RD - good shape article..BabbaQ (talk) 14:07, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Posted to RD. There is one outstanding citation needed, but as this is just for one of many awards (and not a massively major one) I don't believe it should stand in the way of the clear consensus above. Thryduulf (talk) 14:18, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

RD: Brian Rix[edit]

Article: Brian Rix
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): BBC
Nominator: Yorkshiresky (talk • give credit)
Updater: Philip Cross (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Per this RFC, the nomination of any person with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article.

Nominator's comments: Prominent actor, writer and disability rights campaigner in the UK. yorkshiresky (talk) 09:44, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

  • Oppose vast article, vast unreferenced sections... Wrong date. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:54, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose in curent state, whole paragraphs without citations. MurielMary (talk) 10:16, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
  • I agree the quality needs some improvement, such as citations as MurielMary states. 331dot (talk) 10:28, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose on article quality. Large sections of text completely unsourced Palmtree5551 (talk) 12:54, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose. This really needs a lot of referencing work and proper citations before it's of the proper quality. Challenger l (talk) 13:23, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

August 20[edit]

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  • Derrick Dearman a 27-year-old Mississippi man kills five people in the U.S. town of Citronelle, Alabama then kidnaps his pregnant ex-girlfriend from among the victims. Nearby, the Greene County, Mississippi Sheriff's office takes the surrender and confession of the suspect. (Reuters)

[Posted] August 2016 Gaziantep bombing[edit]

Article: August 2016 Gaziantep bombing
Blurb: At least 50 people are killed when a wedding is attacked by a suicide bomber in Gaziantep, southern Turkey.
News source(s): BBC
Nominator: The Rambling Man (talk • give credit)

Article updated

 The Rambling Man (talk) 07:25, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

  • Oppose for now as the article is only a stub. Will support if/when article is long enough. Joseph2302 07:59, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Support after expansion Right now it is a stub. --yousaf465' 08:06, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Support - Only after expansion. Sherenk1 (talk) 09:00, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Support - unfortunately. I was going to celebrate the recent spate of science and technology articles, and relative dearth of disasters and attacks. Will have to hold off for now. (longtime editor; most of the recent !votes from China-based IPs are me.) (talk) 11:57, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Updated Recheck and Post.--yousaf465' 13:41, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
    • The article's prose should be improved, and while International Reaction sections are discouraged, all elements must be sourced and there are several that are not. There is no rush to post if the quality is not there. --MASEM (t) 13:49, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
All reaction are from 2-3 sources. Those have been fixed. --yousaf465' 14:33, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Support in principle, pending more info, but half the current article is flag salad. Sca (talk) 15:11, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Support - It is a big accident in which marriage function is targeted. Nannadeem (talk) 18:30, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Weak support Just about long enough now, and very notable event. Joseph2302 21:31, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Support - as far as terrorist attacks go, this looks quite major. Banedon (talk) 05:30, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Posted Stephen 06:28, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

[Closed] RD: Lilia Cuntapay[edit]

Stale. Fuebaey (talk) 16:15, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

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Article: Lilia Cuntapay
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Entertainment Inquirer
Nominator: MurielMary (talk • give credit)
Updater: Christian Roess (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Per this RFC, the nomination of any person with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article.

Nominator's comments: Article seems fully referenced. MurielMary (talk) 10:16, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Weak support - after I checked all the references and fixed one that had link rot. I support because most of the article (but not all of the article) can be verified from these references. So therefore the article is on its way to reaching minimal quality standard. My support is "weak" for two reasons: (1) because some of the citations utilize sources that are in tagalog or some other Filipino dialect that I'm unfamiliar with (that's why I say "most"--but not all--of the statements in this article can be verified). For example, can it be verified that Cuntapay was in that first batch of actor workshops with those two other actors mentioned? One can't be sure, as the reference would have to be in somewhere in an interview conducted in, presumably, "tagalog". The other reason my support is tentative is because (2) I need to finish cleaning up some of the grammar and flow. Obviously the article has been edited by folks whose formal education was not in so-called "standardized" English, ie.., BBC or some other form of "acceptable" grammar approved by Wikipedia. Meanwhile let me see if there is some kind of translate engine on the web. Christian Roess (talk) 11:38, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
  • support - definitely for ITN.BabbaQ (talk) 11:40, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
@BabbaQ: Are you claiming that the article quality is acceptable? Given the new RD criteria that's the only thing being discussed here; every RD nomination is technically "for ITN" now, if the quality is fine. We no longer debate the merits for RD nominations. 331dot (talk) 22:22, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
Some people don't understand how RD works. This is good example. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:29, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
@The Rambling Man: There's no need to assume bad faith here. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:22, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
I could give you a dozen examples from the past couple of months where this user supports an article which is clearly not ready for the main page. It's not bad faith, it's experience and knowledge. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:20, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Weak oppose several unreferenced sentences, BLP applies. Weak article overall. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:29, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment before this nomination goes stale. I believe this article is now of minimum quality standard b/c concerns I addressed above, along with the other two editors' concerns, have been fixed. So I marked it "Ready." Most of the references are from Filipino (English language) news sources. However, a few of the latter do contain sentences in tagalog, specifically when quoting Cuntapay directly in interviews. Keep in mind that I found only one "western" mainstream media (MM) source on Cuntapay and that's here: Yahoo!. Yesterday, I spent a good 30 minutes on the web looking for more MM sources in English, even using various MM outlet's own internal web searches. Nothing. So everything that is known about Cuntapay's life and work (so far) is cited on her Wikipedia page. Her article at the Tagalog Wikipedia site (here: Lilia Cuntapay) is a stub, and of no real help. One point of contention during recent edits has been her date of birth, that's why those two citation follow her birth day & year in the lead section, and this seems to be ok according to MOS:LEADCITE. So although The Rambling Man is of course correct that it is a weak article overall (and still is), ironically her Wikipedia page is now (in my opinion) the best single resource (one-stop-shop) available on the web for anyone looking for information, particularly in English, on the life and work of Cuntapay. And there's not a whole lot, and what's there just repeats the same basic information. Christian Roess (talk) 17:40, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Unfortunately her entire body of work is unreferenced, and clicking though a few she is not mentioned in many (although some unreferenced TV guest appearances are listed). Our systemic western bias, and lack of local coverage is hurting this one. Stephen 23:36, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
  • yeah, well that's too bad really. As you say, systemic bias is in play. But as I pointed out in my comments (above) regarding exposure in western media, even using the word "lack", is an understatement. There's not only a lack of "local" about none, like nothing, no coverage in western media sources at all to speak of: the single Yahoo! reference is a squib, barely mentioning her death.
To touch on the issue at hand regarding the un-referenced body of work:
  1. Cuntapay's wiki-page lists 64 credits in films and TV combined. Meanwhile, The Internet Movie Data Base (imdb) lists 57 credits. So I will go through this list and determine what's viable. I made an appeal to the (still active) user who created this chart of Cuntapay's filmography back in 2009, to see what that editor's sources were and if I could get some help. Also, I'm not sure if imdb is considered a reliable source on Wikipedia?
  2. the other option is to remove the entire filmography, and just list a few of her roles. But that's not an option, and is a disservice to any readers who will utilize this page in the future, and a disservice to the editors and users who assembled this filmography chart.
  3. It would seem that without assistance, I will not get this done in time to post to RD, but it's on my To Do list. (Alas, like for most of you, this is not my full time job). Once again, like for my (heavy) recent editing of the Yves Bonnefoy and Thomas Steinbeck nominations, this ain't happening either folks. The new RD criteria is an outstanding success, but a little more life blood, and some more of that eclectic mix could've been injected here. As I said above, it seems pretty clear that this page is the best single resource (in English) on Lilia Cuntapay on the Web. That fact would've been something to highlight, too. And could've been if this RD was posted. Damn shame really - Christian Roess (talk) 00:51, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
  • IMDb is generally not considered a reliable source, as it partly works as a wiki with limited editorial oversight. Getting hold of the original editor(s) seems the best move, as they might well have used reputable book sources which are not available online. The way the new RD criteria are panning out is quite odd, imo -- there's an increase in nominations to assess/work on, and also a much faster turnover on the main page, giving less time to address problems. It's also been my perception that the less obvious RDs are being nominated much more slowly, possibly because they are much less prominent in news sources. Espresso Addict (talk) 06:43, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
  • I don't think it's that odd, if people want to nominate a less obvious RD (of which we have now substantially more than we did a few months ago), they should be prepared to work on them as, of course, they'll be niche and will need people interested in updating the article and with the subject knowledge. Foreign language sources are perfectly permissible; if RDs are failing because people aren't prominent enough for the news when they die, perhaps their articles need to be considered for deletion. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:33, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
  • I did look at this but I honestly don't think it'll be ready before it goes stale. If I had time to overhaul: delete the filmography section (a. as mostly unsourced and b. being primarily an extra, listing 50+ minor roles is overkill - we're not IMDB) and merge significant roles into the body. Subsection her career into decades (1980-2010s), then source individual statements from there.
Just because one person cannot find sources doesn't necessarily mean there are no sources. Enlist someone familiar with the language like at Wikipedia talk:Tambayan Philippines, which looks somewhat active. Wikipedia:WikiProject Women is also pretty active and someone there might be interested in helping out. Fuebaey (talk) 22:00, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
yeah, quite perspicacious of you @Fuebaey: suggesting those groups! it hadn't crossed my mind. Christian Roess (talk) 18:01, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Stay tuned - thanks for all the input and great suggestions and insights. I say "Stay tuned" because the user who created this page back in 2009 did respond to my inquiry and has substantially updated the filmography with citations. May get this done sooner then expected, and hopefully before the nomination goes state. It shows me that when it comes to ITN, it's crucial to reach out to the vital resource which is the Wikipedia community. There's a lot of help out there. Christian Roess (talk) 17:51, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

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[Closed] RD: Ignacio Padilla[edit]

Stale. Fuebaey (talk) 16:14, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

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Article: Ignacio Padilla
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s):
Nominator: Bagoto (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Per this RFC, the nomination of any person with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article.

Nominator's comments: Article on a multi-awarded Mexican writer of considerable length and well sourced. User:Bagoto (talk) 08:35, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose the entire "Education" and "Books translated into English" sections and half the "Early career", "The Crack Generation" and "21st Century" sections are unreferenced. Thryduulf (talk) 10:25, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose yes, somewhat opposite to the nominator comment, absolutely not well sourced. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:30, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

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