Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates

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This page provides a forum for editors to suggest items for inclusion on In the news (ITN), a protected template on the Main Page, as well as the forum for discussion of candidates. This is not the page to report errors in the ITN section on the Main Page—please go to the appropriate section at WP:ERRORS. Archives of past nominations can be found here.

This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. Under each daily section header below is the transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day (with a light green header). Each day's portal page is followed by a subsection for suggestions and discussion.

A blurb is a one sentence summary of the news story. An alternate suggestion for the blurb is called an altblurb, and any more suggestions get labelled alt1, alt2, etc. A blurb needs at least one target article, highlighted in bold; reviewers check the quality of that article and whether it is updated, and whether reliable sources demonstrate the significance of the event. Other articles can also be linked. The Ongoing line is for regularly updated articles which cover events that remain in the news over a longer period of time. RD stands for the "recent deaths" line, and can include any living thing whose death was recently announced. In some cases, recent deaths may need additional explanation as provided by a blurb; this is decided by consensus.

Naftali Bennett in 2020
Naftali Bennett

How to nominate an item[edit]

In order to suggest a candidate:

  • Update an article to be linked to from the blurb to include the recent developments, or find an article that has already been updated.
  • Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated).
    • Do not add sections for new dates. These are automatically generated (at midnight UTC) by a bot; creating them manually breaks this process.
  • Nominate the blurb for ITN inclusion under the "Suggestions" subheading for the date, emboldening the link in the blurb to the updated article. Use a level 4 header (====) when doing so.
    • Preferably use the template {{ITN candidate}} to nominate the article related to the event in the news. Make sure that you include a reference from a verifiable, reliable secondary source. Press releases are not acceptable. The suggested blurb should be written in simple present tense.
    • Adding an explanation why the event should be posted greatly increases the odds of posting.
  • Please consider alerting editors to the nomination by adding the template {{ITN note}} to the corresponding article's talk page.

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There are criteria which guide the decision on whether or not to put a particular item on In the news, based largely on the extensiveness of the updated content and the perceived significance of the recent developments. These are listed at WP:ITN.

Submissions that do not follow the guidelines at Wikipedia:In the news will not be placed onto the live template.

Headers[edit]

  • Items that have been posted or pulled from the main page are generally marked with (Posted) or (Pulled) in the item's subject so it is clear they are no longer active.
  • Items can also be marked as (Ready) when the article is both updated and there seems to be a consensus to post. The posting admin, however, should always judge the update and the consensus to post themselves. If you find an entry that you don't feel is ready to post is marked (Ready), you should remove the mark in the header.

Voicing an opinion on an item[edit]

  • Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated.

Please do not...[edit]

  1. add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are usually not helpful. Instead, explain the reasons why you think the item meets or does not meet the ITN inclusion criteria so a consensus can be reached.
  2. oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive.
  3. accuse other editors of supporting, opposing or nominating due to a personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). Conflicts of interest are not handled at ITN.
  4. comment on a story without first reading the relevant article(s).
  5. oppose a recurring item here because you disagree with the recurring items criteria. The criteria can be discussed at the relevant talk page.
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June 15[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

  • Somali Civil War
    • A suicide bomber detonates his explosives at a military camp where new recruits were queueing outside the camp in Mogadishu, killing 15 of them and injuring scores of others. Most of the injured were taken to the Madina Hospital. It was the deadliest attack in Mogadishu in 18 months. (Al Jazeera)
  • 2021 Myanmar protests
    • The anti-coup militia group Karenni National Defence Force (KNDF) announces it has halted anti-military operations in the country following a plea by civilians in the areas they operate that has seen 100,000 civilians displaced, but says it will continue its opposition to the junta. Also on Tuesday, deposed leader Aung San Suu Kyi appears in court for the second day, and was reported to be in "better conditions". (Reuters)

Business and economy

Law and crime

Politics and elections


June 14[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime



RD: Enrique Bolaños[edit]

Article: Enrique Bolaños (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Confidencial
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former President of Nicaragua. Needs referencing and other revision but this substantial obit should help a lot. Additional assistance especially from Spanish speakers gratefully welcomed! Innisfree987 (talk) 08:00, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

RD: Mburumba Kerina[edit]

Article: Mburumba Kerina (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Namibian politician with a key role the in the construction of his country. Article seems in good shape. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 22:26, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

June 13[edit]

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

Law and crime

Politics and elections


RD: Ned Beatty[edit]

Article: Ned Beatty (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Needs major updates and referencing to get to shape. Masem (t) 23:45, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

  • Comments The lead seems overkill on listing off the films, there are lots of area's in the article that need sourcing from my first look. Govvy (talk) 12:02, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose pretty much his entire career is unref'd. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 19:27, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose His career is unreferenced, his filmography is unreferenced, the only thing that has good sourcing is his death. KingOfAllThings (thou shalt chatter!) 23:49, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

2021 French Open[edit]

Article: 2021 French Open (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​In tennis, Barbora Krejčíková wins the Women's Singles and Novak Djokovic wins the Men's Singles at the French Open. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, BBC
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 --SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 21:15, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

  • Oppose target has no prose at all about either final. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 21:16, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose A page with mostly just tables of results is not sufficient, even for an ITNR item. See 2020 French Open, which was posted last year and had writeups for men's and women's singles.—Bagumba (talk) 07:27, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose needs more prose such as a writeup of the main events. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:46, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Not ready. Needs a referenced prose summary of the tournament and/or finals, not just data tables. Modest Genius talk 10:54, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
  • This seems to be a common theme with sports articles being nominated- they're being nominated with no text in the article summarising the event itself... Joseph2302 (talk) 11:12, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
  • That's fine and nominating such articles here is a good way to advertise the need for improvement. The problem is when people think that the ITN/R status is an automatic qualifier that can bypass the quality requirement.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 18:09, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose In addition to lacking a prose update on who won, the article completely leaves out Naomi Osaka's withdrawal, which made bigger news than the finals, as far as I can tell. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:38, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) Naftali Bennett, Thirty-sixth government of Israel (Benjamin Netanyahu ousted)[edit]

Proposed image
Articles: Naftali Bennett (talk · history · tag) and Thirty-sixth government of Israel (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​In Israel, a new government is constituted by a vote of the Knesset, with Naftali Bennett of the New Right replacing Benjamin Netanyahu as prime minister. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Naftali Bennett replaces Benjamin Netanyahu as prime minister of Israel.
Alternative blurb II: Naftali Bennett replaces Benjamin Netanyahu as prime minister of Israel, ending the latter's twelve-year tenure.
Alternative blurb III: Naftali Bennett is selected as Prime Minister of Israel, succeeding Benjamin Netanyahu.
Alternative blurb IV: Naftali Bennett becomes Prime Minister of Israel, ending Benjamin Netanyahu's 12-year tenure.
News source(s): NYT, WaPo, CNN, AP, BBC, Reuters, Al Jazeera
Credits:

Article updated
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: End of the Netanyahu era! And not short enough it was. Davey2116 (talk) 18:01, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

  • Support - I suggest maybe adding a picture and mentioning Netanyahu's twelve-year tenure? Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ) 18:06, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Support alt blurb 2 If it's possible it would be good to include Thirty-sixth government of Israel in the blurb, a well-written article that describes/described the government formation. --Vacant0 (talk) 18:09, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Support with the conditions above. --Aknell4 (talk · contribs) 18:12, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Support in principle, but there are a few citation issues in each article precluding its posting just yet.  – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 18:23, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose The Prime Minister of Israel article needs a lot of work, as the vast majority of the text is uncited. I've added altblurb 3 which is closer to the usual ITN format. Uses x (leave me a message) 18:34, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
    • Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the quality requirements only apply to the target article. Mlb96 (talk) 20:13, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
      It's a definite no if the target article doesn't meet the requirements (which doesn't apply here), but if there's concensus to require the other articles to meet a certain standard then that's okay too. Uses x (leave me a message) 21:07, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

  • Support – pending expansion. Favor Alt3. – Sca (talk) 18:43, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Support 12 years in office, the end of a political crisis with 4 failed elections, consequences on recent events, and (per sources) has a lasting legacy. Undoubtedly should be on ITN. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 19:12, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
    It's ITN/R so notability is already considered. Uses x (leave me a message) 20:05, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Alt 4 The length of Netanyahu's tenure is notable because of how incredibly long it was. Makes sense to include that in the blurb. Mlb96 (talk) 20:11, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment: I've adjusted the nom template above to have Naftali Bennett as the primary target article. The original target Thirty-sixth government of Israel is not in the latter alt blurbs. BTW, Bennett's bio could use more refs. --PFHLai (talk) 20:32, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Support immediately. --2601:C4:C300:1BD0:A14A:7D4C:4235:991D (talk) 20:54, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Both ITNR but also the unusual circumstances of how it happened. Albertaont (talk) 21:06, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Alt 4. What's the common noun for when there's 4 elections in 2 years cause parliaments? Maybe that should be mentioned too, like Naftali Bennett becomes Prime Minister of Israel, ending Benjamin Netanyahu's 12-year tenure and 26 months of coalition difficulty. (or whatever you parliamentary countries call it) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 21:09, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment interesting, we have an RFC ongoing where the proposal of a purely mechanical blurb is mandated. I guess some of us are robots, some dogs, and the rest somewhere between sentient beings and keyboard warriors, but I cherish this as a precise and deadly antidote to the nonsense "A equals B plus C" formulaic nonsense being proposed for this kind of thing. We need to be human about every story we publish, not some kind of algorithmic output. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 21:12, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Support this is a major event that will affect every single country in the Middle East. I think that it's important to mention that Netanyahu was the prime minister of Israel for 12 in a row so Alt 4 is my favourite option.Benbaruch (talk) 21:24, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Alt blurb5 to include both nominated target articles: A new government is formed in Israel, with Naftali Bennett (pictured) replacing Benjamin Netanyahu as prime minister. --PFHLai (talk) 21:32, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Support alt 4, to give some context --Andrei (talk) 21:38, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Clear support on importance + ITNR, obviously wait until Bennett's article's is fixed up (a handful of tags, its almost there). I'd also recommend trying to get Netanyahu's article to be up there - its also similarly not far off, and its key to understanding this is important and more than just a simple transfer of power. --Masem (t) 21:43, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted a modified version of blurbs 4/5. -PFHLai (talk) 22:04, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
    • Why was this posted with clear citation needed tags in Bennett's article? --Masem (t) 23:47, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
      Only a few... and not controversial. There are already almost a hundred refs in the article. --PFHLai (talk) 00:06, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
I agree. I don't think the public interest should be superseded by a few cns. In general, I've always felt such an approach to be a bit dogmatic. El_C 00:55, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Pull the bold linked article is a BLP with CN tags. The solar eclipse was pulled for some whining at WP:ERRORS this is an actual issue. The bit about increasing visits to west bank "heritage sites" demands a citation. I've not checked the rest of the citations, I hope someone did. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:21, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
Prime Minister of Israel is orange tagged bold or not we can't feature that on the MP. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:24, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
"Prime Minister of Israel" is not featured. --PFHLai (talk) 01:42, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
My removal of unreferenced material was reverted without explanation. It's a BLP, I challenged and removed the unreferenced material, and I was reverted. Does WP:BLP even exist anymore? FYI @Bagumba: --LaserLegs (talk) 17:57, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
Perhaps Talk:Naftali Bennett would be a better place to discuss these issues with article contents, please? Or the user talk page of the reverting editor, perhaps? --PFHLai (talk) 22:05, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
ARBPIA is a dumpster fire and I'm not going anywhere near it. I called attention to it, even took some action, and consensus is that unreferenced content in BLPs are fine for the MP. Should improve RD turnaround. Good luck. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:08, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

RD: Toeti Heraty[edit]

Article: Toeti Heraty (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indonesian poet.

  • Support - I don't see any major flaw in the sourcing.--SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 21:17, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Marginally notable person with little news coverage. While it technically meets the requirements, it's marginal. 1779Days (talk) 23:04, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
    Supports and Opposes to RD nominations should be based on article quality, not notability. Jackattack1597 (talk) 23:09, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
    1779Days, Please, read Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates#Voicing_an_opinion_on_an_item before voicing your opinion. Regards. SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 23:34, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Article looks fine, no tags. Jackattack1597 (talk) 23:11, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Comments/Minor suggestions: This article could use a few more refs and footnotes for various points regarding her career in academia (e.g. being chair, co-founding a department, etc.) Also need consistent vocabulary (is she "Dean" (in the prose) or the "Rector" (in the infobox) of the Jakarta Institute of the Arts"? Should her poem's English title be "Calon Arang: the Story of A Woman Victimized by Patriarchy" (in the prose) or "Calon Arang : the story of a woman sacrificed to patriarchy" (in the list of publications)? Or are they actually two different poems?) --PFHLai (talk) 03:29, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

47th G7 summit[edit]

Article: 47th G7 summit (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​The 47th G7 summit concludes, with leaders pledging to take action on COVID-19 and the climate. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​Leaders pledge to donate 1 billion COVID-19 vaccines to developing nations and to reach net-zero carbon emissions by 2050 at the 47th G7 summit
Alternative blurb II: ​Leaders of the G7 nations call for peace in the Taiwan Strait, pledge to donate 1 billion COVID-19 vaccines to developing nations, and pledge to take action on climate at the 47th G7 summit
Alternative blurb III: ​The 47th G7 summit concludes, with leaders agreeing to enact a minimum global corporate tax rate, donate 1 billion COVID-19 vaccines, and take action on climate change.
News source(s): CBC, DW, Japan Times
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Meeting of the G7 nations pledging to donate vaccines, take climate initiative, and call for peace. Aknell4 (talk · contribs) 18:15, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

  • Is this WP:ITNR? Kind of feels like it should be if it isn't, but I can also understand if it's mostly publicity these days. My support/oppose is based on the answer to that question.  – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 18:26, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
    John M Wolfson, ITNR at Wikipedia:In the news/Recurring items#Economic and political summits. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:28, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose still some citation issues and the article being tagged.  – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 18:31, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
    I think those are fixed now. --Aknell4 (talk · contribs) 18:49, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Article quality issues have been fixedJackattack1597 (talk) 19:01, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose for now There's no update. For instance, the 1 billion COVID vaccine pledge and Taiwan Strait call for peace listed in the proposed blurbs are not mentioned in the article. The "Agenda" section talks about what will happen, but not was has happened. Another specific example is Boris Johnson and Joe Biden will aim to 'unlock' travel restrictions between UK and amber-list US at G7 summit.[25] Well, did they? – Muboshgu (talk) 20:16, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
    Updated. --Aknell4 (talk · contribs) 20:47, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Weak support added a blurb which included the discussed measures from a week ago that ITN decided to postpone until the end of the summit. Article quality could be better but I think it's acceptable as is. NorthernFalcon (talk) 20:32, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose vaccine pledges, taiwan strait, net zero were all announced by various G7 members prior to the summit. (Most coverage being on the US and a lesser extent UK vaccine and environment pledges). so what is the news? Albertaont (talk) 21:05, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose nothing at all in there about what actually happened. Is this a joke, question??/ The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 21:17, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose per all of the above, needs way more text on what the outcomes/main discussions there were. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:49, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

June 12[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology

Sports


RD: Sanchari Vijay[edit]

Article: Sanchari Vijay (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 09:37, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment quite a bit of the filmography still needs sourcing. Once that's fixed, looks good enough for RD. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:31, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Milton Moses Ginsberg[edit]

Article: Milton Moses Ginsberg (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Only reported today (June 12); died on May 23. —Bloom6132 (talk) 23:36, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

  • Oppose Given the lag between his death and reporting it suggests he is not really that notable enough for ITN, consider the New York Times at the beginning of the article noted he fell "into obscurity". Govvy (talk) 09:31, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
    Anyone with an article is presumed to meet the notability requirement for RD, votes should only be based on article quality.Jackattack1597 (talk) 11:07, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
    And even if this was based on notability, it's not measured by how quickly a grieving family chooses to go public.—Bagumba (talk) 11:20, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
    Not a reason to oppose. Uses x (leave me a message) 20:06, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
    Uses x, did you see the ref issues? SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 03:38, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
    @SirEdimon I don't know what you're referring to. That comment only makes mention of notability which isn't needed for ITN/RD. Uses x (leave me a message) 06:55, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
    @SirEdimon: all tags have now been addressed. —Bloom6132 (talk) 08:07, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Now sufficient for RD JW 1961 Talk 09:04, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted --PFHLai (talk) 09:33, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Mudcat Grant[edit]

Article: Mudcat Grant (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): MLB.com; Star Tribune; CBS Sports
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 21:18, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

(Closed) Christian Eriksen heart attack[edit]

No consensus. Stephen 22:10, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: Christian Eriksen (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​Danish footballer Christian Eriksen collapses during a match against Finland at the UEFA Euro 2020 tournament (Post)
Alternative blurb: Footballer Christian Eriksen is hospitalised after collapsing during a match.
Alternative blurb II: ​Danish footballer Christian Eriksen collapses during a match against Finland.
News source(s): Breakingnews.ie; The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
 REDMAN 2019 (talk) 19:20, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
I think it should be "Danish footballer Christian Eriksen collapses during a match against Finland at the UEFA Euro 2020 tournament". GiantSnowman 19:22, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
Done. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 19:25, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
In which case support. GiantSnowman 19:33, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Support —¿philoserf? (talk) 19:28, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose He collapsed, but he's in stable condition. No impact beyond a suspended match. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:31, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
Apart from it being front-page news across the world? GiantSnowman 19:33, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
You know that there's more to In The News than getting picked up in a 24 hour news cycle. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:52, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Muboshgu. Not palpably important if you aren't into football. He is alert and conscious, so it's not like he's on death's door. Nohomersryan (talk) 19:49, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose - thankfully this turned out not to be as grave as it first appeared. I'm very happy this isn't sufficiently notable for ITN. --LukeSurl t c 20:07, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Finland's 1:0 victory may be more significant than this scary episode of medical drama on the pitch. Has Finland ever won at this tourney? --PFHLai (talk) 20:12, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
Nope. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 20:15, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose It was highly disturbing and serious, but it is not front page material for us here at Wikipedia. I think we all know what would be. doktorb wordsdeeds 20:32, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose assuming he gets better, there will be no long term impact of this. The teams playing the rest of the game today and Finland winning will (hopefully) be the highlight everyone remembers. But this isn't ITN worthy. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:45, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose This is an example of "ITN is not a news ticker." Pawnkingthree (talk) 20:48, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Thankfully he seems to have gotten somewhat better, so it really doesn't have long term significance. I don't believe we posted a similar incident in the FA cup in 2012.Jackattack1597 (talk) 21:15, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

RD: Igor Zhelezovski[edit]

Article: Igor Zhelezovski (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Белорусский союз конькобежцев
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Count Iblis (talk) 11:58, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

  • Oppose There is no mention of source for his death in the article. Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:40, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
    • A source has now been added in the article. According to the source, he died of COVID. Count Iblis (talk) 17:26, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose The article is not good. It is just a giant lead section, then some tables. In addition, it is sparsely referenced. Nohomersryan (talk) 18:21, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

June 11[edit]

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology

Sports


RD: Dame Georgina Kirby[edit]

Article: Georgina Kirby (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/dame-georgina-kirby-remembered-as-a-strongminded-visionary-leader/WNAFVH7E6JOMJ3R3XGXWCZOJBU/
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 MurielMary (talk) 11:32, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

RD: Taha Karaan[edit]

Article: Taha Karaan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): News24.com
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: South African scholar who was known as "The Junior Al-Shafi'i". Article updated. I'm not able to find further information online but the article is not a stub either. Everything is well-cited. ─ The Aafī (talk) 15:10, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment DYKCheck says this is a stub (below 1500 characters). --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 08:31, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
    Jeromi Mikhael, Addressed that. DYKCheck now says "1594 characters". ─ The Aafī (talk) 12:57, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Well cited. - Owais Talk 13:04, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Pulitzer Prizes[edit]

Article: 2021 Pulitzer Prize (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: The 2021 Pulitzer Prizes are awarded, with the public service award, the top honor in American journalism, going to The New York Times for its coverage of the COVID-19 pandemic. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​The Pulitzer Prizes are awarded, with the public service award, the top honor in U.S. journalism, going to The New York Times for its coverage of the COVID-19 pandemic.
Alternative blurb II: ​In U.S. journalism, the Pulitzer Prizes are awarded, with The New York Times receiving the Public Service award for its coverage of the COVID-19 pandemic.
News source(s): The New York Times (with editorial firewall), Poynter
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Based on the allocations at WP:ITNAWARDS, we can reasonably justify about one item for journalism awards per year, and the Pulitzers are unquestionably the most significant. The last time it was proposed here that I could find, in 2014, it was successfully posted. The 2021 article still needs some development, but once it's ready it should appear. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 18:01, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

  • Support Don't see any issue with notability, and the articles are decent. Also, would anybody else be interested in trying to put the Pullitzers in ITNR? ( The main issue with ITNR is that they are US based, so that might be a major obstacle)Jackattack1597 (talk) 19:03, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment ALT1 is of the correct standard format for ITN blurbs for annual events. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:22, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Arguably, if we were comparing this to other awards, the 2021 awards article is literally just tables without any description. Just checking the refs related to this year's prizes there's at least something to write about the delay, as well as about the special award to the teenager that captured the George Floyd video. --Masem (t) 20:06, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment – In the first two proposed blurbs, the comma between journalism and going (" ...journalism, going...") isn't U.S. English punctuation practice, may confuse U.S. readers, and should be dropped. (Also, suggest "American" be replaced by "U.S." as more specific.) – Sca (talk) 12:49, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Masem. The article almost completely consists of tables containing quotes about the winners and we cannot post it in such shape given the number of other articles that were denied because of the same reason. I'm also unsure about its notability and the choice of putting The New York Times in the blurb when Darnella Frazier's recording of the murder of George Floyd makes bigger news. I've checked that the last time we posted this prize was in 2014 and before it in 2010, which clearly indicates that it's not a standard ITN material for some reason. That being said, I'd like to support a blurb mentioning Darnella Frazier instead of The New York Times once the article is substantially improved with a prose update. Otherwise, outright oppose because the routine awarding of this prize is not that notable.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:37, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Note/comment: I've struck the first blurb per Joseph and changed "American" to "U.S." per Sca. The comma between "journalism" and "going" is correct; it marks off the middle clause. I added a little more broad characterization of the awards, so the article is plenty well-developed now; it's a quasi-list, as the main thing to say about the awards is who won them, but that's fine. The board's own descriptions which we quote contain plenty of info. I disagree that the Fraser citation is the most significant—it's not even a formal Pulitzer, just a special citation, and it's not what the news coverage has focused most on. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 20:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Support ALT/ALT2 as ready to post as nom. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 20:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
  • 'Comm(a)ent – The comma between "journalism" and "going" is not correct in U.S. English. If I'm not mistaken, this punctuation is British English practice, ergo ENGVAR. As this is a U.S.-oriented item, U.S.-English punctuation – which wouild definitely not countenance an intervening comma at this point – should be followed and the comma deleted. I'll bet my (retired) journalist's hat on that. TNX. – Sca (talk) 22:55, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
    english was my worst subject when i was a student, and i confuse british and u.s. english practices all the time, but i had interpreted "the top honor in U.S. journalism" as a nonrestrictive appositive, which, i believe, is generally set apart by commas in both english variants. i don't have a journalist's hat to bet, though. also, i agree with using "U.S." instead of "American". dying (talk) 00:47, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
    English was my best subject, from first grade to getting my reporter's hat to whatever I'm doing now. It's a perfectly cromulent comma. And that's coming from a Canadian, bilingual in British and American. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:52, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
  • No journalist, but a once-English teacher, both Brit and Am. That comma is correct, feel free to debate the one between "awarded" and "with", though. Kingsif (talk) 03:31, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
No it wasn't, compadre, as there was no textual reason to pause there. But since the offending original blurb has been stricken and Alt1 revised, the point is now moot. Such a relief. – Sca (talk) 13:19, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
The appositive can be either separated with two or without commas and leaving one comma is incorrect. This is a rule in all Indo-European languages.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 18:41, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
Catching up on this thread. Just for my knowledge, what is the consensus on the comma between 'awarded' and 'with'? Thanks. Ktin (talk) 14:43, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Anything but Alt II The New York Times is a single entity, no matter what letter its name ends on, or how many people it employs. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:13, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
    Agreed. I'm not sure who added that alt, but since it's a simple grammar matter, I'm going to change the "their coverage" to "its coverage". {{u|Sdkb}}talk 08:44, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Furthermore, that "with" is extranabulous, sufficiently implied by its little buddy, the comma. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:05, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment: So little prose? Was kind of expecting some mention of the first ever Pulitzers for The Atlantic and for BuzzFeed News. Maybe a bit more on the kid with the phone video on Floyd and Chauvin, or reactions of some of the finalists and winners. --PFHLai (talk) 11:25, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
    Added a sentence about the firsts. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 21:36, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment – Getting stale. – Sca (talk) 12:53, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ei-ichi Negishi[edit]

Article: Ei-ichi Negishi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Kyodo
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Chemist who won the 2010 Nobel Prize in Chemistry for his discovery of the Negishi coupling. His death was announced today, but he died on Sunday. Johndavies837 (talk) 17:39, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

  • Support Meets quality standards. Grimes2 (talk) 08:53, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted --PFHLai (talk) 11:02, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

(Closed) Ongoing: UEFA Euro 2020[edit]

No consensus. Stephen 22:13, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: UEFA Euro 2020 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: The conclusion of the championship is an ITN/R item but we can have it posted to ongoing until the winner is known. --Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:03, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose posting single sport events in progress to ongoing, as I always have. That was never the intention of Ongoing. This is also not a global event like the World Cup. 331dot (talk) 17:06, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose any sports item as ongoing except for the Olympics per past consensus. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:11, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
I am fairly sure we posted the World Cup; I disagree with that too, but it is at least a global event. 331dot (talk) 17:26, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
We do post the World Cup to ongoing, but that is due to its scale being more international, not just limited to one region. This can have its results ITNR, but it doesn't make sense to have a regional event ongoing. --Masem (t) 19:36, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
World Cup is an uphill battle to fight. At least it does involve the entire world. UEFA European Championship not so much. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:39, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Wait until the end and post the result. Pawnkingthree (talk) 19:40, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
  • oppose' sports are not ongoing the results (unfortunately) get posted at the end This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 21:19, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose maybe for the World Cup, but not Euros. Otherwise we'll end up forced to post Copa América too, as that starts this week. Wait til it ends, then nominate the article. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:27, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Too early to consider May be more supportive if a surprise team such as North Macedonia wins the tourney. --PFHLai (talk) 23:21, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose because usually only the result of the final is important enough to post. Jim Michael (talk) 12:19, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Ongoing for any sports event besides the Olympics and possibly the world cup.Suggest a WP:SNOW close. Jackattack1597 (talk) 17:36, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Ashok Panagariya[edit]

Article: Ashok Panagariya (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): TheTimes of India
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 13:47, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

  • Support Looks good --Vacant0 (talk) 11:45, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted --PFHLai (talk) 10:53, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Geoffrey Edelsten[edit]

Article: Geoffrey Edelsten (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian (Australian Associated Press); The Sydney Morning Herald
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 10:26, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

  • Support well-cited --Vacant0 (talk) 11:46, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 19:00, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

June 10[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

  • Israeli–Palestinian conflict
    • Israeli soldiers raid a home in the West Bank, due to an arrest warrant for two Palestinians accused of being the perpetrators of a recent shooting attack. One of the suspects is shot dead. Palestinian intelligence officers arrive at the scene after hearing gunfire and reportedly open fire on the Israeli soldiers, but are shot by the soldiers. Two of the Palestinian officers are killed and a third is wounded. (BBC News)

Business and economy

  • Economic impact of the COVID-19 pandemic
    • A report by the International Labour Organization and UNICEF states that approximately 160 million children, over half of them aged between five and 11, are involved in child labour, the highest figures in 20 years. The report blames the COVID-19 pandemic for increasing both the rates of child labour and the hours worked. It also cautions that the amount of children entering the workforce could rise between nine and 46 million by the end of next year if the pandemic is not put under control and if they continue to lack access to important social services. (NPR)

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology


(Posted) RD: Larisa Shoygu[edit]

Article: Larisa Shoygu (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): TASS, RBK TV
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Russian politician, incumbent member of the State Duma Spokoyni (talk) 23:39, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

  • Support The wikibio looks ready. It would be great if someone familiar with Russia could take a look to check if proper vocabulary is used. --PFHLai (talk) 01:30, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted to RD. TJMSmith (talk) 12:56, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

RD: Buddhadeb Dasgupta[edit]

Article: Buddhadeb Dasgupta (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu Mint
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 202.8.114.185 (talk) 07:10, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment films and awards sections need citing, as does Family section. For someone with so many appearances and awards, there must also be more to be said about his career. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:17, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

June 9[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

  • Nine people are killed and eight more wounded as a five-storey building being demolished in Gwangju, South Korea, collapses onto a bus. Authorities are concerned that people may have been buried in the demolition site or on the nearby pavement. (CNA)

Health and environment

Law and crime

  • A court in Russia begins the process of evaluation of a request to label opposition activist Alexei Navalny's network Anti-Corruption Foundation as "extremists", which, according to Navalny's lawyers and allies, would prevent them from running for office and carrying out their activities. (Reuters)

Politics and elections

Sports

  • Vietnam announces that it plans to postpone the Southeast Asia Games, one of the five subregional Games of the Olympic Council of Asia, until next year, citing concerns over the COVID-19 pandemic. Eight of the 11 member states of the Southeast Asian Games Federation have objected to Vietnam's proposal to postpone the competition, according to a statement from the Olympic Council of Malaysia. (CNA)

RD: Helmud Hontong[edit]

Article: Helmud Hontong (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Deputy Regent of Sangihe Talaud (2017-2021).

  • Comment: Please address the {{Copyedit}} tag atop the wikipage and the error messages in the reference section (formatting errors?). Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 02:52, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment: According to Wikipedia:In the news/Recent deaths, if death of a figure is it's main story or main attention, then it worths a blurb. Helmud Hontong was not a well-known figure until his sudden death which raised speculation and request for investigation by activists. Does that mean this could merit a blurb on it's own? Nyanardsan (talk) 03:09, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
  • @Nyanardsan: Hi, there is an unwritten consensus by regulars in here that death blurbs are only given to subjects that has a significant level of global influence. As far as I know Hontong was the deputy regent of Sangihe, meaning that his influence is just above the kecamatan and below regency. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 03:15, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
    Right, thanks for clarifying~ Nyanardsan (talk) 03:20, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Gottfried Böhm[edit]

Article: Gottfried Böhm (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times; Deutsche Welle; Associated Press
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 03:27, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the nomination. I feel he should have more detail, but am busy today until Monday. There's much more in German if someone is less busy. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:40, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

  • Support Looks good now --Vacant0 (talk) 11:55, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Support looks good to go, marked as ready. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:11, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted --PFHLai (talk) 09:34, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Mongolian presidential election[edit]

Proposed image
Ukhnaagiin Khürelsükh
Article: 2021 Mongolian presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Ukhnaagiin Khürelsükh (pictured) is elected the new president of Mongolia. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters US News
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Per WP:ITN/R. With 99'30% of the results it seems clear that Ukhnaagiin Khürelsükh is already the new president and furthermore a second round will not be necessary. The election article is totally deficient, but I will fix it during the day. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 11:28, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment Ukhnaagiin Khürelsükh is correctly orange-tagged as needing more sources- this will need to be fixed. Also the presidential article is a micro-stub, would need to be significantly improved before it could be considered good enough. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:42, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment I don't mind possible ITNRs being posted here so as to call attention to them for improvement, but as others have said this would need a lot of work to be Main Page eligible. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 11:54, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose been 4 days, and doesn't look like anyone is going to fix the issues I raised. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:09, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
    @Joseph2302: I've been working on it, but clearly cannot do it alone. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 09:49, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

(Pulled) Ring-shaped sunrise[edit]

Proposed image
Article: Solar eclipse of June 10, 2021 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​An annular solar eclipse occurs on Thursday between Lake Superior and the Russian Far East. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​An annular solar eclipse occurs on Thursday in Ontario, Quebec and the Arctic.
Alternative blurb II: ​An annular solar eclipse occurs on Thursday in Canada, Greenland and Russia while a partial eclipse occurs in much of the northern hemisphere.
Alternative blurb III: ​A deep solar eclipse occurred in parts of Earth's northern hemisphere. (Statue of Liberty pictured)'
Alternative blurb IV: ​A solar eclipse occurs on June 10. (Crescent sunrise pictured with the Statue of Liberty)'
News source(s): German power grids brace for Thursday's solar eclipse (Reuters)‘Where to Watch the Ring of Fire Solar Eclipse at Sunrise (NY Times) CNN etc
Credits:

Nominator's comments:

Brooklyn Bridge, Manhattan Bridge
Vermont

While a full sun eclipse is the champagne of eclipses a crescent sunrise is pretty cool too. Without long-distance travel seeing a sun above about half to three-quarters eclipsed naked eye without risk is pretty rare, usually it's a sufficiently reddened sunrise or sunset. Tens of millions of USers and Canadians (including the biggest metro areas of each nation) will get a decent chance to see an 80-94 percent eclipsed sunrise or at least an eerie daylight, the last major Anglosphere eclipserise or set over 75% was in 2012 in Darwin, Australia and a vaguely oval strip from north Mexico to c. Kansas City. Since then it's been strips with few English WP readers like Nunavut, Guam (climatologically unlikely), empty parts of Australia and Antarctica and a slice of Zambia and Zimbabwe. (New York City hasn't had one above 75% in 62 years and Toronto in 146, the road from Toronto to Vancouver will get a thin ring sunrise near northeast Lake SuperiorSagittarian Milky Way (talk) 17:55, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

  • Support Article is sufficient, prefer Alt 2. --Jayron32 18:19, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose at the moment. I get the rare astronomical confluence element, but even the GIF provided gives our readers precisely ZERO idea as to what they might actually "see", and that's the bottom line here. This isn't a mathematical moment, it's a human experience. Without demonstrating why that might be significant, this is a dead duck. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 18:21, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
I have changed the image to an eclipse of very similar configuration to Toronto's view and a caption should say similar eclipse pictured or something like that. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 18:51, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
It's a better image, but is this really such a remarkable celestial event that it needs us to promote it? I know we went on for what felt like months about the last one, but this is just one of those things, right? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 19:17, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Given this is an annual eclipse, and the only part making this unusual is that it is going to be witnessed by a good chunk of en.wiki-using readers, that feels awfully specific to make into an ITN. --Masem (t) 18:53, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
    It's not "annual," but rather "annular," which means shaped like a ring. You can probably think of an impolite word with the same root. Jehochman Talk 18:57, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
    Or just Annulus (mathematics). The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 19:10, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
You'll be fascinated to know that the JU-88's liquid-cooled V-12 engines had annular radiators that made them look like air-cooled radials. – Sca (talk) 14:56, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
  • However, even then, looking at the navbox at the article these annular eclipse are nearly annual events (less a year or so at times). If we're only getting excited about it because its going to be in the viewing range of the bulk of en.wiki's readership, that's a potential bias issue. --Masem (t) 19:15, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
A total solar eclipse occurs somewhere on Earth once every 1 or 2 years. (average), they only average once in 4 centuries cause the 100% zone is thin. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 19:27, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Yeah, I appreciate that. Perhaps that's why it's not really an encyclopdic thing. Just an image of something over which not one soul to have lived or dies has control, and with literally no precursor or consequence. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 19:22, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Wasn't Comet Holmes posted? That was just a fuzzy star, and not a bright one, I could barely see the fuzz with me eyeglasses from a dark alley. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 19:35, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Was Comet Holmes posted? I don't know. Was Comet Holmes something lots of people can see from Earth every year or so? I don't know. You tell me. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 19:38, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
A comet of at least that level of visibility averages once every decade or more often (I think we might be in a comet drought, not sure). A comet about one or 2 steps brighter is ITNR and happens once every decade or 2. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 19:49, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Ok, so that makes this seem rather meh. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 19:53, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Do you mean the article should be deleted? There's cricket articles which stimulate fans who can appreciate all the box scores and history and jargon and abbreviations and stuff and just because they bore most non-Commonwealth people doesn't mean they should be deleted. Same thing, a non-genius who teaches himself the jargon and abbreviations and moon cycles and stuff can visualize a lot more about the shadow geometry and stuff from that boring stub than you might think and it'd probably be easier to learn than all the stuff in a Test series article. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:35, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
No, I don't mean it should be deleted. It's clearly "notable" but in a kind of "trivial" sense, i.e. this will happen and there's nothing we can do about it and nothing important about it and nothing of long-lasting value about it. The thing we have here is a "look it up" in an almanac kind of story. Comparing it to a cricket article, which includes significant human interaction, seems bizarre in extremis, but perhaps that's what you need to do to get some attention for this? Comparing the utterly predictable motion of planets and the subsequent "impact" on us Earth-dwellers vs. events which have genuine human interest seems strange to me. YMMV, of course. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 20:49, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
You have no idea how boring Test is to many Americans do you? Britney Spears and Madonna surprising everyone by lesbian French kissing on live USA-wide TV had lots of human interaction and viewers and interest (arousing the celebrity fans and inflaming the squarest Bush fans helped). Post hot kiss lol?In 2009 a comet being barely naked eye in wildernesses and maybe farm country was enough to get posted, apparently that happens about once a year (but ITN was pretty ancient then) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 21:24, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
I do have a very comprehensive understanding on how boring "Test" (I think you mean Test cricket) is to Americans. And likewise, baseball is utterly shit, but hey, we are all interested in different things. But you brought up cricket, and now Britney/Madonna. None of these things were governed exclusively by physics. They all had a human interest. This story is just, well, blocks of mass moving per the law. Yell about ITN for all it's worth, that's not helpful at all. It's cute, don't get me wrong, but whatever. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 21:28, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
A lot of astronomy is just blocks of mass moving per physics. Heck a lot of cricket and baseball is blocks of mass moving (after some skill-weighted human dice bowled or made contact, heck some physicists think even the scores, blinks and thoughts were preordained since Big Bang) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 23:25, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose – Per Masem, TRM. How does this ephemeral phenomenon affect life on Earth? – Sca (talk) 21:59, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
It looks cool and it's the darkest eclipse in place so and so since year X, that's all an eclipse story ever will be, I guess we should stop posting total sun eclipses too then cause they're inevitable. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 22:59, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Well, if it looks cool, I guess that makes it an ITN shoo-in. – Sca (talk) 21:38, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
Total solar eclipses don't affect life on Earth either, but they're ITNR. Banedon (talk) 03:34, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose If the current blurbs were very stale I'd give it a weak support because it does no harm, but considering the oldest blurb is only 5 days old it lacks significance. Uses x (leave me a message) 22:03, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose The annular eclipse will be visible from very unfortunate parts of the world that are scarcely populated. Yet it's a very good ITN material, the fact that barely a few million people can experience the view brings its notability down. --Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:28, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
There isn't much appearance coolness drop from the 94% ringrise of the deserted places to the 80 to 86+% crescentrise of c. 35 million plus people. I saw the most impressive horizon eclipse since I was born in '13 by blinking at Manhattan skyline and at 55% it was much less cool-looking than the 80%+ of this eclipse. There was a deeper one in 1994 (90%) but it was close to overhead (and made the sunlight look pretty dark). Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 22:59, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Hey, these parts are very unfortunate if we're looking to sell out a show, but at least the water and air is mostly water and air up here. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:29, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
It must be nice to be able to live where you can make loud love in nature sometimes and not have to drive so long before you stop worrying about voyeur. That's one of the first things I'd do if I reincarnate the right place. Well first thing after childhood. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 00:48, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
Not to spoil your romantic perceptions of the North, but there's a very small temporal window for decent natural exposure, between the bitter cold and perverted flying insects. Best to even party like outdoor nerds wearing the proper protection. I saw a sweet green meteor in rural pajama pants twelve days ago, all by myself, whoopee? InedibleHulk (talk) 01:01, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Conditional weak oppose (pending favourable optics) Support Alt III We know what's good, Milkster and J-Dogs, but we're clearly outnumbered. Awakening is futile. For the record, I was wearing the rural pajama pants, the meteor was bathed in its usual drapery. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:21, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Weak support not rare events, but then neither are total solar eclipses, and if we have those on ITNR then this should be posted also. Banedon (talk) 03:34, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
    Agreed, the likelihood of this post seems to be growing; your modest effort has moved me to Weak oppose. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:44, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment I don't understand the passionate opposes here. The article at this moment is not great, but it's a good bit better than our routine disaster articles. It's wonky, yes, and some more human aspect of it would improve it. The event is in the news. I guess I'd suggest a POTD nomination for this, particularly for the crescent sunrise images.130.233.213.61 (talk) 04:58, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Conditional support iff we have cool pics of the eclipse to show on MainPage. --PFHLai (talk) 05:07, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
    Good idea, conditions can change. Thanks for the reminder! Swayed my vote accordingly. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:11, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Support in principle, I think that Wikipedia:In_the_news/Recurring_items#Celestial_events could possibly be considered to cover annular eclipses (and I personally think it we should add this unambiguously to ITNR, but that's a discussion for elsewhere). Ellipses are interesting, encyclopaedic, and make a nice change from stories about death. We'll have to see if the article is decent post-eclipse, which may not happen given how remote the eclipse path mostly is. Critically, we need a few good pictures and at least one that is main-page quality. --LukeSurl t c 09:07, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose on quality this article has one paragraph of text about the event. The lead also needs tense updating. If one paragraph is all that can be said about it, then it's not ITN-worthy. And the "Related eclipses" section seems ridiculously long, and some of them seem only tangentially related to this event. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:21, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
There are a lot of eclipse cycles, cycles are very important in astronomy. i.e. the Moon's (line of) apsides move forwards at 1 orbit per 8.85 years which is important as the apogee side of the line of apsides doesn't make total solar eclipses, it's ascending and descending nodes move backwards at 1 orbit per 18.61 years (draconic period) thus the eclipse year is 346 days and June eclipses, May eclipses etc occur once every 9.305ish years. And the line of nodes and line of apsides cross each other every c. 6 years which is when coronas and sun rings can last more than a few minutes. Every few years the solar eclipses start partial and polar, then get better then tropical then the other pole then partial, this is the 2018-21 thing in the "related eclipses". And of course the lunar eclipses do something similar but 180 degrees out of phase. The new and full moons repeat every 19 years (which is the Metonic cycle of "related eclipses": eclipses obviously must occur in multiples of 29.53059 days (lunar month) or half month and the whole number of lunar months that's closest to a small amount of whole years is 235 (=19 years), 8 years is also kind of close, thus 16 too (3 years is off by 3 or 4 days but enough to make 8 yrs better than 9), 38, 57, 76, and 76+8=84 years which is also very close, the Moon's orbit is 27.3 days (sidereal month) eclipse cycles like Saros align with this. Saros is 18 years and 10.32 or 11.32 days (depending on leap days, 4 or 5?), in summary there are lots of eclipse cycles and the closest analogy I know to something popular is octaves and fifths and fourths and major and minor thirds and other just intonations of small whole number ratios in music with consecutive eclipses being like quarter tones or semitones, closest but most dissonant/dissimilar. The many concurrent cycles are useful for various purposes and named after Ancient Mesopotamian, Mesomerican and maybe Greco-Roman words since those people just happened to be good at discovering astronomy cycles so they get weird names like inex and tzolkinex. The first surviving records of saroses are Ancient Neo-Babylonian thus the scientific community uses their name. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:47, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
All of which are reasons why it's interesting, but not reasons for why a one paragraph article should be put on the front page of Wikipedia. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:19, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Support – Interesting event. STSC (talk) 20:16, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Support because it's interesting quality content on Wikipedia that is in the news. NorthernFalcon (talk) 00:06, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Support If only for the reason that gatekeeping at ITN is why ITN grows stale so often, so quickly. It's current, it's in the news, it's worth a mention surely. doktorb wordsdeeds 00:36, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Vermont for Illustration Speaks for itself, just look at it, amazing. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:07, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment: All proposed blurbs say "annular", yet none of the proposed pics shows "annular". No ring? Can someone craft a blurb that will go well with one of the pics, please? Thanks. The pic with the Statue of Liberty is already protected. Are we using this pic? If not, please get that protected first. --PFHLai (talk) 03:05, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
The 6/10/2021 eclipse category of Wikipedia Commons had no ring pics. I took a shot at a blurb.Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 03:25, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
It's a struggle to find pictures of the annulus even on media sites which can pay for copyrighted images. It seems the path was just very very remote. --LukeSurl t c 04:04, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
Then let's not mention "annular" in the blurb. Whether it was annular or deep or... depends on where on Earth it was observed. Is blurb4 acceptable, please? Too simple and uninformative? --PFHLai (talk) 11:17, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
1. Do 10 June people still say June 10th? Then that might be a compromise with 10 June or 10th June (does anyone say that?). 2. The photo was taken roughly a mile from any part of New York State which some might consider misleading. Some people don't know this but the Statue of Liberty is only New York cause the law doesn't follow the geography, it's 1.5 miles from the NY mainland, 1 mile from the nearest island of the NY half of the harbor, half mile from the NJ mainland and slightly further to the nearest NY water but they made a tiny hole in New Jersey that is not Jersey just so NY can rep the statue. So the tip of her copper hair is about 230 feet northeast and 270 feet above the closest Jersey water. Otherwise sure why not, blurb 4. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:46, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
Would the modified blurb 4 by any better, Sagittarian Milky Way? --PFHLai (talk) 16:00, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
@PFHLai: Yes, seems good, probably change to June 10th though as that seems to be less uncommon in the UK than June 10 while Americans don't mind the th. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:16, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
Not as cool as the Vermont pic, but cool enough! InedibleHulk (talk) 00:43, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
The statue pic was supposed to be 0.203 or 0.204 Sun diameters showing but there was a crap-ton of scattered clouds in the NYC area around mid-eclipse. Toronto got even deeper eclipse than Vermont and 2 vids from Canada were put on Wikipedia Commons (Canada's only contribution to the June '21 eclipse category). Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 01:54, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
And very late Canada suddenly decided to upload 7 more files. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 13:38, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Sorry but I'm just not seeing the general newsworthiness of this. WaltCip-(talk) 11:33, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
Oh, is that what "In the News" is about? Thanks for splaining. – Sca (talk) 12:56, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
Well, maybe. You could make the argument that my !vote is WP:IJUSTDONTLIKEIT. WaltCip-(talk) 13:34, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
I don't like it cuz 'twas raining – cudn't see it. – Sca (talk) 14:36, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
  • I have questioned this posting at WP:ERRORS, as the article quality is insufficient. Joseph2302 (talk) 06:37, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Indeed, and consensus to post such a stubby article was by no means clear at all. Suggest this is removed until we can generate more information than in a stub and reduce that dreadful "see also" section to something akin to an encyclopedic article. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 06:46, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
  • User:Joseph2302, you asked "why was it posted?" on WP:ERRORS. Well, it was good enough to me for ITN. It wasn't great, but it was good enough. "Barely" good enough. ITN was getting stale on a slow news day. Looking for anything not bad on ITN/C and this was the only one there that was "ready". The nice pics helped. I consider them part of the updating. --PFHLai (talk) 09:42, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Pulled I'm afraid per the above, and WP:ERRORS. Quality concerns, particularly around length, haven't been addressed yet.  — Amakuru (talk) 07:07, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
    That is a seriously ill omen. At least for my people. It's never coming back, folks, we tried! InedibleHulk (talk) 07:48, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
Statue of Liberty Annular Solar Eclipse (51239095574).jpg
  • Not really. Just add a bit more detail to the article, including some actual news and reactions to the event that weren't already known about 10,000 years ago, and I'll be the first to post it back up again.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:06, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Support I looked at the main page this morning and admired the photo of the eclipse (right), which was especially effective. Now I see that it has been pulled to restore an inferior photo which has already been up for days. But notice that the eclipse article has already gotten five times the readership of the older blurb. Our readers don't care how much prose such articles have. What matters are the pictures and the eclipse is winning. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:55, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
    For the nth time, ITN is not WP:TOP25. Perhaps you should start an RFC to make it that way as you continually appear to want that. Commons is for pretty pictures, Wikipedia is for encyclopedic articles whose content should be more than a stub and an ridiculously over-blown "see also" section. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:00, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
I'm sorry you don't appreciate the arithmetic and geometry that makes chronologically distant eclipses rhyme but there is a well-made well-referenced non-stub on eclipse cycles with prose, tables and Jean Meeus references, he's like a world expert on astronomical calculations, this isn't just something someone made up to pad the article. The lede of eclipse cycle has a very helpful NASA animation of the single-eclipse maps of solar saros 136 to explain (#136 since the series of 2873-1593 BC)). Adjacent ones (223 lunar months apart) are very alike, slowly evolving over a millennium and change (graze of the penguins or polar bears to direct hit of the tropics to graze of the other cold). Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 11:46, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
  • PPP comment – This sort of 'celestial' mini-event gets stale fast. Pulling it was a good move. – Sca (talk) 12:56, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
  • This is done. Suggest closing the discussion. Jehochman Talk 17:53, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
    We don't normally close when the objections are mainly on quality. I'm not holding my breath, but it might yet be fleshed out sufficiently to warrant a re-post.  — Amakuru (talk) 20:13, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment: the article is a gallery and stats dump, definitely not suitable for the MP. There isn't really much more to say about the event - almost no inhabited locations saw the annular phase, so it's all just photos of a partial eclipse. Those are always nice to see, and I was pleased to see the event myself, but not of much encyclopaedic value. Modest Genius talk 14:04, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Bitcoin legal tender in El Salvador[edit]

Article: Bitcoin Law (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​El Salvador becomes the first country to designate Bitcoin as legal tender (Post)
Alternative blurb: El Salvador designates a decentralised cryptocurrency as legal tender, the first country to do so
News source(s): BBC NYT
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Wasn't sure about nominating this one but it seems pretty significant in the history of cryptocurrencies and worth a discussion I think. Article on the law is short but reasonably good Dumelow (talk) 13:20, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

  • Weak support I'm usually pretty open on allowing all sorts of blurbs, but a small country that doesn't have its own currency is naming a non-currency as a legal tender? This seems like a pretty small-potatoes level story. I won't object or stand in the way of it being posted, the article is fine, and this has been covered by reliable sources, but it's not really a significant story. This is really not a big deal. --Jayron32 14:18, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Article in good shape and this seems to be making global headlines. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 15:16, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Weak support it's a country that has the US dollar as its currency rather than its own currency anyway. But there is lots of news coverage of this event nevertheless. And makes sense to put it on ITN now, even though it doesn't become an official currency for 90 days. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:03, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Weak support. A strange move, but a potentially significant one. The article is brief but sufficient. I would have liked to see more of the response/commentary that's being reported in the media, but that's not a requirement. Should the blurb say this is the first cryptocurrency to become legal tender, or did somewhere else adopt a non-Bitcoin version before? If this is the first cryptocurrency of any form, I would prefer to just say that in the blurb, rather than advertising Bitcoin itself. Modest Genius talk 16:14, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment. While this is certainly in the news, I don't necessarily see the significance of it. Quite frankly, it sounds more like a PR stunt (as mentioned in the article). -- Calidum 16:24, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Support clearly significant milestone in the history of cryptocurrencies, as the first ever nation to adopt one. NorthernFalcon (talk) 16:27, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
    @NorthernFalcon The article doesn't mention it, but the Petro and the digital renminbi are government backed cryptocurrencies that already exist. The digital renminbi is officially legal tender. Uses x (leave me a message) 17:09, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
    The digital renminbi isn't a cryptocurrency, and given that it's value is tied to the renminbi, I don't count it as a separate currency. Likewise, the "Petro" has a value that is tied to something else that has its own market value. That said, it would be notable for Bitcoin (as the largest cryptocurrency) to gain legal tender status anywhere in the world. Furthermore, in my opinion any country changing or altering its currency would be notable enough for ITN. NorthernFalcon (talk) 18:13, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
    Looking it up you're correct, thank you. Still, they're functionally equivalent so I still don't see the significance of this - the difference between a digital currency and a cryptocurrency is that crypto is decentralised and anonymous, and it works in a different way accordingly. [Investopedia] But still, functionally equivalent. Uses x (leave me a message) 18:29, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Weak support Definitely in the news, but we should remember that we don't necessarily post everything in the news, even if it's getting lots of coverage, if it's not significant. Jackattack1597 (talk) 16:41, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Because other countries have made official cryptocurrencies, and this isn't that significant in the grand scheme of things. Jackattack1597 (talk) 17:54, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Not significant, as it's just a politician politicking. I don't expect people in a country with a nominal GDP of $4,041 and an underdeveloped technology sector to pay the high transaction fees or even be able to use it for transactions (i.e. the entire point of making it a currency), and people could already use it as a medium to invest. Uses x (leave me a message) 16:58, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
    Also, this isn't the first country to make cryptocurrency an official currency. Venezuela has the Petro (no success there), China is developing and testing a digital yuan, etc. What's special about Bitcoin that differentiates itself from these? Uses x (leave me a message) 17:01, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Very brave decision and certainly a huge milestone in the history of cryptocurrencies. Putting everything aside, this is the first designation of a decentralised cryptocurrency as legal tender.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:25, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment A blurb needs to be suggested without "the first country to ...", as Blurbs should avoid sensationalism wherever it makes the entry less accurate, clear or concise (such as addition of "...for the first time in history") - Wikipedia:In_the_news#Blurbs. Uses x (leave me a message) 17:41, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
    • In a situation like this, being first *is* the news story, El Salv. being the first country to accept crypto. Its similar to when we had headlines along the lines of "first country to recognize gay marriage" or the like. The news is about crypto being accepted for the first time by any national government, not so much El Salv.'s specific role to it. --Masem (t) 18:00, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
      First decentralised cryptocurrency. I've named two cryptocurrencies above that were the firsts. Anyway, it's implied that it's 'the first' just by being in a blurb, so it doesn't need to be stated. If it weren't the first it wouldn't even be considered. Uses x (leave me a message) 18:16, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
      Yes, its the first non-govt' developed crypto, or first crypto to be adapted by a govt. However, in the case of the blurb, if we just left it as "El Salvador designates Bitcoin as legal tender.", while true and implicitly suggests a first, it undervalues why that story is in the news, and would imply to readers that if other countries later opt to use crypto that we'd announce them too. Being the first (with those cavaets) is the story here and needs to be explicitly stated, and that does mean we likely will never post the second country that follows suit. Whether we need to clarify that this was the first external/decentralized crypto, I dunno, but "the first" is critical here. --Masem (t) 19:22, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose: Not yet. Bitcoin will start becoming legal tender 90 days after the publication of the law in the official gazette. - EugεnS¡m¡on 20:40, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Support per above. A notable first, with substantial news coverage. Davey2116 (talk) 23:06, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Support first is first, and it's a decision that (theoretically at least) affects everyone in El Salvador. Banedon (talk) 03:48, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose on quality. The article has one section: History. And much of that has nothing to do with history.130.233.213.61 (talk) 05:02, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose It doesn't change anything in practice, and is it really ITN-worthy tech news that the most popular crytpocurrency has become national currency until El Salvadorians accidentally screw up its value? I'd post the bitcoin exchange rate going wild, but like the petro, this is really a non-story until something actually changes to either ES or bitcoin. Kingsif (talk) 10:37, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose – Per previous two posts, plus lack of general significance and thin RS coverage. – Sca (talk) 12:55, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Support – Notable event. STSC (talk) 20:12, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Weak Oppose- The law is not effective yet. Change the wording along the lines of "El Salvador passes a law having decentralised cryptocurrency as legal tender, the first country to do so".
Preceding posted by IP user 73.111.22.127 at 05:00, 11 June 2021. – Sca (talk)
  • Comment – Getting stale. Suggest close. – Sca (talk) 12:59, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ann Russell Miller[edit]

Article: Ann Russell Miller (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Chicago Sun-Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article created today, death on 8 June, reported in reliable sources beginning 8 June. Article is on the shorter side, but I think it's a reasonably complete interesting story. Eddie891 Talk Work 13:12, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

  • Support short but sufficient. NorthernFalcon (talk) 15:20, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Weak oppose The article is barely not a stub article but still on the short side. Is there a way to expand the article with the obits coming in? --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 15:23, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted RD. TJMSmith (talk) 19:11, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Tilly Hirst[edit]

Article: Tilly Hirst (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Rotorua Daily Post
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Death reported today. Article has been updated and is well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:08, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

June 8[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture

Business and economy

  • The Iraqi Radioactive Sources Regulatory Authority announces that Iraq is seeking to build eight nuclear reactors capable of producing 11 gigawatts combined to address increasing electricity demand, which is predicted to rise 50% from roughly 28GW today to 42GW by 2030. Average electrical power output currently stands at about 18.4GW, of which 1.2GW is imported. The Authority says that they are in discussions with Korean, Russian, U.S., and French officials on how to implement the plan. (Bloomberg News)
  • ProPublica reveals that it received an anonymous leak of personal tax filings for thousands of the wealthiest Americans over multiple years, and publishes a long form analysis of the 25 wealthiest individuals' filings and rates per year. IRS Commissioner Charles Rettig said that the IRS is investigating the leak of the tax data to ProPublica and that any violations of law would be prosecuted. (ProPublica) (ABC News)

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology

Sports


(Posted) RD: Richard R. Ernst[edit]

Article: Richard R. Ernst (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Straits Times (Agence France-Presse); Swissinfo
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Only reported today (June 8); died on June 4. —Bloom6132 (talk) 02:58, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

  • Support career could be expanding maybe, but more than good enough for RD. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:11, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Support per above. Davey2116 (talk) 23:06, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted Stephen 03:35, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) Juno flyby of Ganymede[edit]

Proposed image
Articles: Juno (spacecraft) (talk · history · tag) and Ganymede (moon) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​NASA's Juno probe performs a flyby of Jupiter's moon Ganymede. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​The Juno spacecraft performs a flyby of Jupiter's moon Ganymede (pictured)'
News source(s): NASA, The Guardian, NYTimes
Credits:

Article updated
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: This could be argued as an ITNR (probe arrived at one of its destinations), but I'll leave that for others to decide. If anything though we get great front pages images from this. Masem (t) 01:14, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

  • comment: this appears to be the last destination of juno's first mission extension, so i would personally consider it falling within the scope of itn/r. (to save others a click, itn/r states "Arrival of spacecraft (to lunar orbit and beyond) at their destinations".) the bolded article does not appear to have been updated since the flyby, though, with its last edit performed days ago. the other article has one update, which simply added the photo above. dying (talk) 04:29, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Seems to be ITNR to me. 331dot (talk) 08:46, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Interesting event, decent article JW 1961 Talk 09:00, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Support as ITNR, article is fine. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:04, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment The update is very thin, but in principle, it is a nice ITN story plus a great picture. Any chance the update could be extended to a short paragraph? Also, are we going to blurb each moon flyby, since other moons are planned? Asking in advance. --Tone 09:23, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Support in principle, though this is not ITNR - Ganymede was not an original target of the mission (the flyby was added for gravity assist purposes, when they had engine problems that prevented them from getting to to intended orbit of Jupiter). However the update is insufficient. The Juno article has one sentence and one image (diff), with most of that article on completely different topics. I think the bold link should be the Ganymede article, which is what readers will want to learn about. However the only update there is the same image, no prose at all. We should add a paragraph to Ganymede_(moon)#Exploration and use that as the target. Modest Genius talk 10:40, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
    I've added an altblurb and started work on Ganymede_(moon)#Exploration, but don't have time to finish an update now. I'll come back later today if no-one else does it. Modest Genius talk 11:34, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
    • Posted without an emboldened link to "Gannymede". Please let us know when you have finished your planned update there and the link can be emboldened as well then. Thanks --PFHLai (talk) 04:52, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
      • At the time the blurb was posted, there was already a more substantial update at Ganymede_(moon)#Completed_flybys (3 sentences) than in the Juno article (one sentence). That remains the case. Modest Genius talk 10:52, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
        • Thank you, Modest Genius, for pointing this out. My mistake there. I have changed the bolding from Juno to Ganymede in the blurb. --PFHLai (talk) 22:22, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

(Requesting Editors Attention) RD: Farhad Humayun[edit]

Article: Farhad Humayun (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): GeoTV
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Pakistani musician. Article should be ready for homepage / RD soon. I will get to it later today. If someone wants to get to the article before me, please feel free to do so. Pardon my delay on this one. Off-wiki commitments didnt allow me to get to this one until now. Edits done. Seems to meet basic hygiene expectations for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 14:23, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

  • Support Looks to be all sourced and ready.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:42, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment: The "Career" section could use a copyedit. --PFHLai (talk) 22:46, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
    Thanks PFHLai gave the career section a go at copyediting. Please have a look. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 02:16, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
@Ktin: I also gave the prose some copyediting. Please check and make sure my editing did not change the meaning. I also put in two {cn} tags. The list of brands seems a little too long to be without sourcing. And please confirm the identity of his grandfather (see Talk:Farhad Humayun.) Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 06:30, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
@PFHLai: thanks much. Looks good. Fixed the added CN tags including identify of grandfather. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 14:28, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

2021 U.S. Women's Open[edit]

Article: 2021 U.S. Women's Open (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​In golf, Yuka Saso wins the U.S. Women's Open after defeating Japan's Nasa Hataoka in a dramatic sudden death playoff. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​In golf, Yuka Saso wins the U.S. Women's Open after defeating Nasa Hataoka in a sudden death playoff.
News source(s): BBC, CNN
Credits:

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: I think 2021 U.S. Women's Open is ready to be included in ITN. Well several editors including me tried our level best to update the article of Yuka Saso. But unfortunately it is currently in full protection mode and there are lot of pending edit requests in the talk page. Can someone please address the issues soon. Thank you. Abishe (talk) 12:55, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

  • I note via ITNR we already cover four major tennis events each year (include both the mens + womens events of each), so I don't know if the lesser competitions are necessarily appropriate for ITN. --Masem (t) 13:11, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Masem This is a golf tournament, not a tennis tournament. The men's equivalent of this tournament (U.S. Open (golf)) is ITNR, but no women's golf tournaments are ITNR. So definitely worth being nominated, to see if there's consensus to post. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:19, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Moreover, of the Women's major golf championships, it's the oldest, and gives the most prize money. So if any women's golf tournament will make the front page, it'll be this one. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:20, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Crap, my bad, I missed it was the golf Open. There, given that the actual mens US Open is still two weeks away (such that these two tourneys are not connected like other mens/womens events) I would agree it should be considered as the top womens golf event, in terms of equity, since it clearly has international coverage. --Masem (t) 13:25, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
  • It's such a pity Yuka Saso's article is locked. She could've been the second Filipino athlete to be posted here (after Manny Pacquiao). Howard the Duck (talk) 13:34, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
    • I've made/cleared the three pending edit requests on her page. --Masem (t) 14:33, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose on quality would like to see a lot more text about the event itself e.g. text in the "Round summaries" section as well as just showing a scorecard. Especially on the playoff, as I'm not 100% clear on how it worked (I think they played two holes, then because it was still a tie, they played another hole?) Also, I'm very confused by what the numbers in brackets on the "Exemptions" section refer to- and they're not listed in the source. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:41, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose on notability routine tournament in a very minor sport (unless you're from US) Abcmaxx (talk) 21:30, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
It's a major, not a routine tournament, for the world's biggest women's tour in a pretty big sport. The vast majority of tournaments are won by non-Americans, including this one. 2 of the 5 majors are contested in Europe. There hasn't been a World #1 from the US since 2014; indeed, every #1 golfer since then has been Asian except for a New Zealander. Your statement simply makes no sense. -- Kicking222 (talk) 22:28, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
"Pretty big sport" - you sure we're talking golf right? It's a niche sport outside the US, regardless of where the competitors are from. World Tchoukball Championships are contested usually in Europe and East Asian teams win it but it does not make it a big international sport. Mobile phone throwing has competitors from all over the world too despite it originating in Finland, as do most sports. The "#1 golfer's" nationality is irrelevant. Abcmaxx (talk) 00:40, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Golf is not a niche sport outside the US, and besides, it has made an appearance at the Olympics. Your assertion that it's just a US thing is silly. That's like saying Soccer is just a European thing. -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 03:09, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
You're comparing association football, the world's most popular sport to a minor sport played by a small handful of people in a small percentage of the globe. It's not a regular Olympic sport, and also polo and tug of war were in the Olympics too, again does not mark this event's notability. American football is played in Europe doesn't make it a global sport either. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:40, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
First off, golf is one of ten most-watched sports on Earth. Second, though it's a relatively new addition, it's a "core" Olympics sport, so I don't have a clue what your point is. You have literally no idea what you're talking about. I mean, I hate golf, but at least I can look at it objectively. -- Kicking222 (talk) 12:42, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Also it's ironic how this "US event" managed to have 3 non-Americans in the top 5, and 2 in the top 2. As well as the last 5 winners of this event are all non-American. Considering that the men's version is ITNR, there does seem to be some kind of logic problem here..... Joseph2302 (talk) 12:47, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Gridiron Football absolutely is a global sport, but this is a silly conversation anyway, golf is a well-known sport, therefore, it should be listed in ITN -- and considering that the men's version of this is ITNR, this should be in here just to correct the gender imbalance on Wikipedia. -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 16:37, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
"Gridiron Football absolutely is a global sport" honestly, I read a lot of nonsense on Wikipedia, but this is the cream on the biscuit. Good grief. Where else, other than the US and Canada, is "gridiron" even taken seriously as a "sport"?? We watch the Superbowl for the half-time nipples and pre-match fly-past... The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 18:15, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
What's your definition of a "global sport", then? It's not just in the US and Canada that people play Gridiron football -- they play it professionally in Japan, China, and Mexico, and at the Collegiate level in the United Kingdom and South Korea as well. Considering that spans the globe, I think that qualifies as a global sport. -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 20:14, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Ha ha ha, seriously? Let's start with "every other sport on Earth" and work our way back. At some point I recall you claimed to be studying post-grad degree, to somehow now claim that gridirion is global is frankly absurd. Oh well! The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 22:15, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
What the hell is wrong with you? Mocking other users' intelligence, seriously? Have you read WP:CIVIL lately? You're way over the line with this comment, pal. Mlb96 (talk) 02:53, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
One thing that TRM does not do well at is being civil. But I have a thick skin, so I don't really care what he says or thinks. Thank you for sticking up for me, I appreciate it. Also, I didn't realize that understanding the global impact of sports related to my doctoral work in computer science, but OK then. -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 04:21, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
No, I think the point here is that when one makes outlandish assertions such as "gridiron being global" they need to be corrected. It is woefully misguided to think that anyone outside the US/Canada is interested in any real sense in that version of "football". It's a total fallacy. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:28, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
Well, I'm beginning to understand why you were desysopped all these years ago. --Rockstone[Send me a message!] 15:51, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
Well done you, a proud moment I'm sure of it. And nice swerve away from the fallacy-pushing I guess, bravo! The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 17:22, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
And my god, your links are so embarrassing, I'm not sure why you thought they were relevant. Seriously? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 22:21, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Gridiron football is not at all relevant to this nomination, and this whole thread should probably be hatted. Abcmaxx's idiosyncratic view that golf is not a major sport is probably not going to be much of a factor as to whether this gets posted. Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:28, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
I agree. All such absurd irrelevant non-sequitur comments should be censored. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 22:33, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
They're relevant because you're making the claim that gridiron (not gridirion as you bizarrely spelled it) is not a global sport when it clearly is. As an aside, you're not even attacking my argument, just mocking it. Come up with a reason why my links are irrelevant in establishing that gridiron football is a global phenomenon, please. -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 23:51, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
The links speak for themselves. Honestly, this is amongst the funniest stuff I've read here this year, and it's still only June. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:28, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
As mentioned before, all those things apply to e.g. tchoukball and mobile phone throwing; international top players from around the globe, played worldwide. American football isn't even popular in neighbouring Canada who share most league systems. Golf is mostly played, watched, hosted, broadcast and financed in the US; everywhere else it's either a minor sport or a very minor sport. Octopush and paintball is played at "collegiate level" in the UK too by the way. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:53, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
The sport was literally made in Scotland. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 22:05, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
This, honestly, is the best response to the nonsense above, I've seen for an age. Abcmaxx has been properly trouted! Thank you! The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 22:09, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
I am aware, it how it got to the US in the 1st place, doesn't make it popular though does it? Even if for argument's sake we count the UK and Ireland and Japan having a "big" golf following, it's still tiny, it's even in the article: Golf#Popularity. By that logic we should be including all sorts of competitions from all sports, not picking ones that happen to adhere to Anglo-Saxon tastes. Abcmaxx (talk) 22:27, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
And we do!! Good grief. Go read WP:ITNR. Wow, you ARE ALL MISSING THE POINT these days. But hey, just yell about shit and it makes no difference. Mis-apply logic or reinforce the systemic bias we see here, "Anglo-Saxon taste" for the love of "god". Ridiculous. Have your fun. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 22:36, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment Notability is fine. As always with sports nominations, the real problem is that it's just a list of names and score tables. Uses x (leave me a message) 22:44, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Support -- the men's version of this is ITNR, the women's version is notable too. -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 03:09, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
    ITNR thus uses quality as its only defining parameter. You support this set of stats? Honestly. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 18:18, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Support if updated. It's insane to claim this is a niche sport only popular in the US, particularly when the two golfers in the playoff were from the Philippines and Japan. -- Calidum 16:46, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose it doesn't really matter about significance vs the men's tournament or anything else, the article has basically no prose. It's a list of results. Those supporting this kind of thing need to take a long hard look at what ITN is trying to do here. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 18:17, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose on quality No prose summaries and a tediously long "exemptions to qualifying" section mean this is nowhere near ready. Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:37, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Support in principle but prose is needed for the final round, at a minimum.—Bagumba (talk) 02:27, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
  • I decline to evaluate this nom till the article has some prose on the final round and the playoff. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 10:30, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Unless Abishe or another editor is actually going to add some prose to this article, it's never going to be accepted on ITN. And if one more thing is accepted at ITN, then this will be stale (i.e. older than the oldest content on ITN front page). Joseph2302 (talk) 10:41, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment at this point, this is obviously not going to make it to ITN before it becomes stale. Can someone close this? I would, but I'm too involved. --Rockstone[Send me a message!] 17:58, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
    Just needs someone who supports it already (!) to actually bring it up to a bare minimum quality. Seems that's not of interest though. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 18:08, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
    I don't have any interest in golf or any sports at all, really. The only sport I ever played was soccer when I was little. -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 18:36, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) ANOM sting operation[edit]

Article: ANOM sting operation (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​The Federal Bureau of Investigation, Europol and Australian Federal Police conduct a worldwide sting operation against global organised crime. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​Over 800 members of organised crime, several tons of drugs and other evidence is seized in a worldwide sting operation of law enforcement agencies.
Alternative blurb II: ​An international sting operation results in the arrest of more than 800 alleged members of organized crime and seizure of several tons of illegal drugs.
Alternative blurb III: ​Using information gained from running an encrypted device network, an international sting operation results in hundreds of arrests and seizure of several tons of illegal drugs.
Alternative blurb IV: ​Using information gathered from a network deceptively marketed as secure, an international sting operation results in over 800 arrests, primarily of alleged members of organised crime.
News source(s): BBC, CNN, Guardian, AP, Reuters, dpa
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Front page news on BBC, CNN and on TV. Described by Europol as the "biggest ever law enforcement operation against encrypted communication". Brandmeistertalk 11:46, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment In such cases, the outcome is what matters the most, not the very fact that the operation took place, so notability should be assessed based on some figures.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:15, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
    • Added altblurb, though more verbose. Brandmeistertalk 12:23, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
      • The article uses "organised" rather than "organized", so I don't think the blurb should just be defaulting to US English spellings. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:46, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Support altblurb. This seems like a well-coordinated large-scale operation with outcome that justifies the efforts.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:38, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Support – Favor Alt2. More than 800 arrests. Leads many RS sites. Seems quite a coup for int'l law enforcement. – Sca (talk) 12:46, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Support alt Notable large scale law enforcement operation that should mention the results.Jackattack1597 (talk) 12:57, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
PS: Individual convictions in the future are unlikely to be notable. – Sca (talk) 13:11, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Support as long as "organized" is changed to "organised" to match the spellings in the article. This is notable enough, and article is good enough. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:01, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment – Article seems to be missing a key fact, the number of arrests. – Sca (talk) 13:38, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment Blurbs are missing mention of the app – which criminals believed to be entirely secure. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 16:38, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
The action and results constitute the news. Readers can learn about the (complex) app. in the article. – Sca (talk) 18:52, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
I disagree. Many news articles explicitly point out that this is the first time a sting like this has been successfully perpetrated for such a long time and especially mention the ingenuity of essentially running a messenger service for criminals in order to entrap them. In fact, the whole article is named for this very app and the article heavily focuses on ANOM's creation and distribution. Not mentioning it in the blurb seems counterintuitive to say the least. Regards SoWhy 19:39, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Support alt3 as the article is now fully cited, has most of the information that's out there, and the event is significant and doesn't happen often, certainly at least by this method. Uses x (leave me a message) 19:40, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
I agree alt3 is better as it gives info about the mechanism. Uses x (leave me a message) 20:57, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Support. I added a third altblurb that mentions the network which I think is relevant (it is prominently mentioned in all news reports after all, including those sources mentioned in the nom). Regards SoWhy 19:48, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Support. This is one of the moste spectacular law enforcement operations in recent times, with far-reaching consequences for both the fight against organized crime and the struggle to maintain individual privacy in a world of ompipresent surveillance. -- The Anome (talk) 19:57, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
  • support. event is obviously notable as explained above, and article is of good quality considering it was started today. however, the crux of the notability focuses on the fact that the messaging application was a ruse, which is not mentioned in the first three blurb proposals, and may be misleadingly described in the fourth, as it is unclear if the network is appropriately described as an "encrypted device network" if it deliberately allowed law enforcement to intercept its communications, regardless of whether or not the network actually used encryption.
    to address this issue, i have further muddled the blurb choices with alternative blurb iv. note that i have used "secure" instead of "encrypted", since it is arguable whether or not it was the latter, but it was definitely not the former. dying (talk) 23:13, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted Stephen 23:25, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment Appreciate not having the word "organized/organised" in the blurb. Less drama that way -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 23:26, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
  • I'm here from the main page. When I saw the current blurb, I had to check the article to know which parts of the world were involved. "International" could encompass everything from two countries to two hundred. In my opinion, it's a bit too vague—"global" or "worldwide" might be better. In fact, I think "involving x countries throughout the world" or some variant thereof would be best. Kurtis (talk) 03:34, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
    • I've changed the wording from "international" to "multinational" which still captures the breadth of countries involved without implying 200+ countries involved. --Masem (t) 05:17, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
      • @Masem: I think you may have misunderstood my previous comment. I was actually trying to imply that the term "international" could convey a smaller scale than what had transpired, not that it was overstated. Kurtis (talk) 18:55, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
        • In terms of blurb space, we don't really have room to get into the number of countries involved. "Global/worldwide" implies large a scope given that this was mostly the US, European and Australian agencies at play. "Multinational" implies "more than 2" but not "every country", and at least for the blurb, the reader can follow the link to learn more which countries did support it. --Masem (t) 18:59, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
          • Understood. Thanks for clarifying. Kurtis (talk) 07:04, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Post-posting comment – Introductory clause – Using information obtained from a compromised encrypted device network, – seems overly long and complex for at-a-glance ITN reading, IMO. – Sca (talk) 11:58, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
    • Agree. Made an attempt to fix it by removing wordy: "information obtained from" - Fuzheado | Talk 18:22, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
That reads considerably better. TNX. – Sca (talk) 22:13, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

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