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October 21

Portal:Current events/2020 October 21

Current events of October 21, 2020 (2020-10-21) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks War in Afghanistan October 2020 Afghanistan attacks The Taliban kills at least 12 members of the police in Baharak District, Takhar Province. (TOLOnews) Business and economy COVID-19 pandemic in Hong Kong, Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on airlines Cathay Dragon ceases operations as a result of the decline in air travel due to COVID-19 and the protests that have occured since 2019. (Al Jazeera) Disasters and accidents A stampede at a stadium in Jalalabad, Afghanistan, kills 15 people and wounds 11 others. (Al Jazeera) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in Croatia Croatia registers 1,424 new infections in the last 24 hours, a new record high since the beginning of the pandemic. (Croatia Week) COVID-19 pandemic in Poland Poland surpasses 200,000 COVID-19 cases after a record 10,040 new cases were reported by the Health Ministry in the last 24 hours. (Swiss Info) COVID-19 pandemic in Russia Russia reports a record 317 new fatalities, taking the nationwide total to 24,952. The country resists reintroducing strict lockdown measures. (The Moscow Times) COVID-19 pandemic in Slovakia Slovakia reports 2,202 new cases in the last 24 hours, a new record in a single day since the start of the pandemic, according to data from the Health Ministry. (Reuters) COVID-19 pandemic in Slovenia Slovenia reports 1,503 new cases in the past 24 hours, its highest number yet, taking the nationwide total to 15,982. In addition, a record eight people have died in the last 24 hours. (STA) COVID-19 pandemic in Ukraine Ukraine registers a record 6,719 new infections in the past 24 hours, bringing the total number of confirmed COVID-19 cases to 309,107, according to the interactive map of the NSDC. (Kyiv Post) COVID-19 pandemic in Iran Iran announces a record-high single-day spike in new cases since the first case was reported in Qom in February, with 5,616 new infections reported in the last 24 hours, according to a statement from Health Ministry spokeswoman Sima-Sadat Lari. (Anadolu Agency) Law and crime Trial of Catalonia independence leaders The former leadership of the Mossos d'Esquadra, the Catalan regional police, whose defendants are Major Josep Lluís Trapero, Pere Soler, Cèsar Puig, and Lieutenant Teresa Laplana, are acquitted by the National Audience of the crimes of sedition and disobedience for their role during the 2017 Catalan independence referendum. (La Vanguardia)

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October 20

Portal:Current events/2020 October 20

Current events of October 20, 2020 (2020-10-20) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks War in Afghanistan October 2020 Afghanistan attacks The governor of Zazi Maidan District and a bodyguard are shot dead and another two injured in Khost Province. (TOLOnews) At least five people are killed and another nine injured after two bombing attacks. The attack occurred in Jalrez District, Maidan Wardak Province. (TOLOnews) At least twelve police officers, including the district chief, are killed when two bombs explode in Kang District, Nimruz Province. (TOLOnews) Allied Democratic Forces insurgency Gunmen storm a jail in Beni, Democratic Republic of the Congo, and free more than 1,300 inmates, also attacking the military camp that provides security to the prison. The town's mayor blames the Allied Democratic Forces, which he says used electrical equipment. Twenty inmates return and two are shot dead. (Al Jazeera English) 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh conflict Azerbaijani troops capture the town of Zəngilan and several nearby villages in Zangilan District, Nagorno-Karabakh. (The Washington Post) End SARS Soldiers open fire against protesters for about an hour and a half during protests against police brutality in Lagos, Nigeria, killing about 20 people and wounding at least 50 others. It is reported that the soldiers had built a barricade and ambulances could not reach the protest area. (BBC) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in Bulgaria After new infections in Bulgaria hit a record 1,024 cases in the past 24 hours, Health Minister Kostadin Angelov announces that the country will make wearing protective masks obligatory in all outdoor spaces on October 22 in an attempt to slow the spread of the virus by about 30% and help prevent the health system from being overwhelmed. (Sofia Globe) COVID-19 pandemic in Germany, COVID-19 pandemic lockdowns German authorites in Bavaria impose a lockdown in the district of Berchtesgadener Land starting at 2:00 pm local time today, making it the first area in Germany to go back into lockdown since April. Residents in the district for the next two weeks are not allowed to leave their homes unless for essential reasons, such as outdoor exercise, going to work, or buying groceries. (Reuters) (BBC) COVID-19 pandemic in Greece Greece reports 667 new infections in the last 24 hours; 250 of them are from Attica. It is the highest number yet for the country since the beginning of the pandemic. (Greek Reporter) COVID-19 pandemic in Italy Authorities in Lombardy are given the green light by Health Ministry to impose a curfew in the region. The curfew will last between 11:00 pm and 5:00 am local time, and it will take effect between October 22 and November 13. Medium and large shopping malls will close on weekends. (Arab News) COVID-19 pandemic in Russia Russia reports 16,319 new cases in the last 24 hours, bringing its official number of cases to 1,431,635 and breaking its record for new infections since the pandemic began. (The Moscow Times) COVID-19 vaccine Sinopharm is setting up production lines to supply up to one billion doses of two COVID-19 vaccines currently being tested on 50,000 people in Phase III trials. Sinopharm is currently testing the vaccines in ten countries, including Egypt, Argentina, Jordan, and Peru. (AP) AstraZeneca is expected to resume vaccine trials in the United States as early as this week. (CNBC) COVID-19 pandemic in Iran Iran reports a record 5,039 new cases in the last 24 hours, according to Health Ministry spokeswoman Sima-Sadat Lari, bringing the total number of cases to 539,670. It is the first time that the country has reported more than 5,000 cases in a single day. (Bloomberg) International relations Russia–United States relations Two United States F-22 fighters intercept a pair of Russian Tu-95 bombers in international airspace near Alaska. (Fox News) Law and crime 2020 Thai protests A Thai court orders the suspension of an online TV station, critical of the government, named Voice TV, which has been accused of violating emergency measures aimed at ending three months of protests. Voice TV was also found to have breached the Computer Crime Act by uploading "false information". Voice TV is owned by the only son of former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, who was overthrown in a military coup on September 19, 2006. (Reuters) Murder of Samuel Paty The French government orders the Grand Mosque of Pantin in the Paris suburb of Pantin to close for at least six months after an investigation found the mosque's Facebook page shared a video that incited hatred towards history teacher Samuel Paty who was beheaded by a radical Islamist outside his school. Interior Minister Gérald Darmanin says France was confronted by an "enemy within". (Reuters) The United States Department of Justice files an antitrust lawsuit against Google. (BBC) Science and technology 2020 in spaceflight, New Frontiers program NASA's OSIRIS-REx space probe successfully lands and collects samples from the asteroid Bennu. The samples will be returned to Earth in 2023. (CNN) (BBC)

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RD: Derryl Cousins

Article: Derryl Cousins (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk • give credit)

Article updated

 Bloom6132 (talk) 07:32, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support well sourced, looks fine for RD JW 1961 Talk 13:25, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Ongoing: End SARS

Article: End SARS (talk, history)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian, BBC, AP
Credits:

• Nominated by GreatCaesarsGhost (talk • give credit)

Nominator's comments: We blurbed the protests, but looks like it rolled off. Today government forces opened fire on unarmed protesters (apparently after removing cameras in the area), killing at least 7. GreatCaesarsGhost 22:14, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support In the news, definitely an ongoing situation. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:09, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support so it got pushed off. We’ll definitely still ongoing and as Muboshgu said, in the news. People were just shot at today ~ Destroyeraa🌀 00:38, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Been in the news a lot lately. I also agree with Muboshgu. SoloGaming (talk) 00:42, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support following the standard pattern for protests, still ITN to one degree or another. Gex4pls (talk) 00:52, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support if orange tags are resolved. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 01:59, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
• Article is not currently of sufficient quality for the main page. Stephen 04:08, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

It was before This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:50, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

It's not anymore. Stephen 04:53, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• Neutral Most of the article is reasonably neutral reporting the occurrences of protests. The voluntary donations section needs to be scrapped though, that definitely has poor standing to be in the article. Juxlos (talk) 06:35, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
• 'Question' - the article is tagged for external links, but there is no external links section. Is this appropriate? Mjroots (talk) 10:28, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• It uses direct links rather than embedding the URLs in references. Stephen 10:41, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• Four out of 162 references affected. I think that tag can go. Mjroots (talk) 14:27, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support A few minor issues with small sections and proseline writing, but those are easily overcome and I don't see any major issues that should keep it off the main page. --Jayron32 13:23, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Sad that it was there for such a short time, deserved longer attention (anyway it can be re-blurbed?). Gotitbro (talk) 16:09, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

October 19

Portal:Current events/2020 October 19

Current events of October 19, 2020 (2020-10-19) (Monday) Arts and culture 2020 in archaeology The Tourism and Antiquities Ministry of Egypt states that they have discovered ancient coffins at the necropolis in Saqqara. (The Washington Post) Disasters and accidents 2020 Atlantic hurricane season Tropical Storm Epsilon forms in the Atlantic Ocean and is expected to bring storm-force winds to Bermuda later this week. (Royal Gazette / Bermuda) A magnitude 7.5 earthquake strikes the Alaska Peninsula, prompting tsunami warnings. (CNBC) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in the United Kingdom COVID-19 pandemic in Wales, COVID-19 pandemic lockdowns First Minister Mark Drakeford announces that Wales will introduce a "firebreak" lockdown, which will require anyone to stay home between October 23 and November 9. Under those rules, pubs, restaurants, hotels, and non-essential businesses must close; primary schools will reopen after the half-term break, but only seventh and eighth years in secondary schools can return at that time under the new "firebreak" rules. In addition, gathering with people from other households indoors or outdoors will be banned. (BBC) COVID-19 pandemic in Russia Russia's new cases surge to a new record high of 15,982 in the last 24 hours, including 5,376 in Moscow, pushing the case total to 1,415,316. (Reuters) It is announced that the first results of Russia's clinical trial for their Sputnik V vaccine will include data from 5,000 to 10,000 people. (Reuters) COVID-19 pandemic in Austria Chancellor Sebastian Kurz announces that private gatherings of more than six people indoors and twelve people outdoors will be banned in Austria from October 23, in an effort to curb the spread of COVID-19. (Dpa international) COVID-19 pandemic in the Republic of Ireland, COVID-19 pandemic lockdowns Taoiseach Micheál Martin announces that Ireland will move to Level Five for a period of six weeks. The new restrictions will take effect at midnight on October 21 and remain in place until December 1. Under Level Five restrictions, non-essential business will close, people will only be able to exercise within 5 kilometres (3.1 mi) of their homes except for essential reasons, and no social or family gatherings are allowed in homes or gardens. However, schools and creches are to remain open, and elite sporting events can take place. (Gov.ie) (ITV) COVID-19 pandemic in Slovenia The government formally declares 30-day nationwide "state of epidemic" (known overseas as state of emergency) starting today. There are no changes for employees, students and others, but 09:00 pm to 06:00 am local time curfew will be imposed tomorrow. The decree also limits gatherings to six people and movement among regions unless for essential or emergency reasons will be banned. (Government of Slovenia) (Barrons) COVID-19 pandemic in Spain The President of Navarra, María Chivite, announces a perimetral lockdown of the region, closing bars and restaurants, and limiting gatherings to cohabiting people, starting on Thursday and lasting for 15 days. In the last two weeks, Navarra has experienced a cumulative incidence of more than 900 per 100,000 inhabitants. (eldiario.es) COVID-19 pandemic in Iran Iran reports 337 new deaths in the previous 24 hours, a new record of deaths since the beginning of the pandemic, pushing the death toll in the country to 30,712. (CNA) COVID-19 pandemic in Argentina Argentina surpasses one million cases of COVID-19, becoming the fifth country to do so after the United States, India, Brazil, and Russia. (BBC) COVID-19 pandemic in Canada Canada surpasses 200,000 cases of COVID-19. (CTV News) COVID-19 vaccine, COVID-19 pandemic in Brazil Sinovac Biotech's CoronaVac appears to be safe in providing protection against COVID-19, as preliminary results of Phase III clinical trial in Brazil show. São Paulo's Instituto Butantan, one of Brazil's leading biomedical research centres carrying out the trials, says CoronaVac proved to be safe after its two doses were applied to 9,000 volunteers, but said data on how effective it is in protecting people against COVID-19 will not be released until it has been tested on all 15,000 volunteers in newly expanded trials. (SCMP) The total number of worldwide confirmed COVID-19 cases surpasses 40 million. The United States remains the global leader in case numbers, accounting for 20% of all cumulative cases, with India closely following at 19%. (The Guardian) International relations Sudan–United States relations U.S. President Donald Trump announces that the U.S. will remove Sudan from the list of State Sponsors of Terrorism after Sudan deposits US$335 million in a fund to compensate families of American victims of the 1998 United States embassy bombings. Sudanese Prime Minister Abdalla Hamdok thanks the U.S. government for the decision. The United States Congress would still have to approve restoring Sudan's sovereign immunity. (Reuters) Japan–Vietnam relations Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga says that the country has agreed with Vietnam to boost their defense ties and resume flights amid Chinese influence in the regions. (AP) Law and crime Trial of Catalonia independence leaders The High Court of Justice of Catalonia sentences former members of the Bureau of Catalan Parliament Ramona Barrufet, Lluís Corominas, Lluís Guinó, and Anna Simó to 20 months of disqualification and a €30,000 fine for disobeying the court when this body warned them of the illegality involved in the processing of the disconnection and self-determination referendum laws in 2017 and acting against the prohibition of the Constitutional Court of Spain. (La Vanguardia) (El Periódico) The United States Department of Justice announces charges against six current and former Russian military officers for allegedly attempting to engage in malware and hacking in the 2018 Winter Olympics and elections in other countries. (ABC News) A court denies an appeal from British socialite Ghislaine Maxwell regarding the release of her 2016 deposition. (Bloomberg.com) Politics and elections 2020 Bolivian general election Exit polls show Luis Arce of the MAS party winning a historic landslide. (The Washington Post)

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(Posted) RD: Spencer Davis

Article: Spencer Davis (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, Variety
Credits:

• Nominated by A lad insane (talk • give credit)
• Updated by Ritchie333 (talk • give credit)

Nominator's comments: From The Spencer Davis Group. Article is pitifully sourced, unfortunately. -- a lad insane (channel two) 18:24, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Support - I have cleaned the article up; it is a bit sparse but at least in suitable shape for the main page. For those who aren't aware, the Spencer Davis Group is more famous for launching Steve Winwood's career. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:42, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support: I was just about to nominate this until I saw this. Well-referenced, notable, and updated. — MarkH₂₁^talk 22:04, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Nicley cleaned up by Ritchie333, now suitable for RD JW 1961 Talk 22:06, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Ready for the main page. Yoninah (talk) 00:08, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment. Looks good. Marking ready. Given the namesake, I am tagging Spencer for next steps. Ktin (talk) 00:15, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
• Posted Spencer to RD. Spencer^T•C 03:06, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

RD: Tony Lewis (musician)

Article: Tony Lewis (musician) (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SPIN, USA Today
Credits:

• Nominated by CoatCheck (talk • give credit)

Nominator's comments: English singer-songwriter/musician of The Outfield. CoatCheck (talk) 18:02, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

*Comment a couple of cn's added, it should be fine if those are fixed and I will then add support JW 1961 Talk 19:00, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support as concerns have been fixed JW 1961 Talk 13:24, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• Conditional support There are some open points left. Overall the article appears to be in good order. (And luckily there are no large discographies and chart tables...) KittenKlub (talk) 19:13, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support some tonal issues, but overall seems fine. Gex4pls (talk) 14:26, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Hiroh Kikai

Article: Hiroh Kikai (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Tokyo Shimbun, Chunichi Shimbun
Credits:

• Nominated by Ktin (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Saw this nomination on the Deaths in 2020 page. I have not been able to find any news sources talking about Mr Kikai's death, and that might just be me not searching the right places. However if someone is familiar about this topic, and can give the article a read (and invest in any edits as required), it might be worth working on and getting to homepage. Ktin (talk) 05:16, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support, Well-developed article, GA status implicates ITN pass. Added sources from the Tokyo Shimbun and Chunichi Shimbun to nomination. Morgan695 (talk) 06:06, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment Here's an English-language source. https://cphmag.com/hiroh-kikai-1945-2020/. Personally, I hate modern black-and-white photography (it was fine when it was more economical than color, but now it's a purely aesthetic decision), but with the English source I'll weak support. 1779Days (talk) 08:25, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Plenty of paragraphs that haven’t a single reference. GA is no fast track to posting, a lot can degrade an article since it’s assessment. Stephen 08:40, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Weak oppose some place still need sourced. I'm honestly surprised this is a GA. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 13:20, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

  Destroyeraa, Agree. Seems like it was last assessed in 2009, and might have deteriorated in the time since then. That said, seems like the references can be fixed if someone can go in with a few tags. Unfortunately, I am a tad buried today. But, can take a look later in the night. Ktin (talk) 19:11, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

  Destroyeraa, went in and added a few references, seems like all references have been handled. Do you mind giving it a look? Cheers. Ktin (talk) 00:44, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• Weak Support most of the article seems fine. A few more english language sources couldn't hurt though. but the publications and exhibitions sections could do with quite a few more sources. Gex4pls (talk) 13:56, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Numerous uncited paragraphs. Someone should send this back for a GA reassessment. Yoninah (talk) 15:10, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Weak Support Some of the article is fine, but there is not really a lot of description. You could improve on it and renominate again. OptXSolo (talk) 16:36, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment. Went in and gave the references a shot. Seems like the article is fully referenced now. If I have missed out any, let me know and I will try filling.
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 03:05, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) 2020 Belarus Protests

Though a good faith nom, consensus remains that this should not be on the main page. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 12:23, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

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Article: 2020 Belarusian protests (talk, history)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Gex4pls (talk • give credit)

Nominator's comments: It has been a bit of time since the removal, and the protests appear to be ramping up again. Around 50,000 people marched just yesterday, despite threats from police to use lethal force, and the page is still regularly updated, though waiting a bit more to see what happens couldn't hurt either. Gex4pls (talk) 17:27, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support The situation has recently re-escalated and the article is up to date.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 17:45, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose terrible article is still terrible. "Symbols" section is still orange tagged and still the subject of a low grade edit war. Protests are still a weekend outing with dwindling participation and insignificant mid-week events (like some driller complaining) elevated to undue status to fluff out the article. It had it's time in the box. Move on. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:20, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• It's true that the Symbols section is orange tagged, but I can't say that I understand why. I don't see the edit war you talk about anywhere in the revision history. This section was last edited on October 1 (which appears to be a minor expansion of existing content), before that last edited on September 24 (which seemed to just be the removal of a typo), and before that just a minor grammar fix on September 22. If there's an edit war going on in the article, it must be in a different section. I think it would be perfectly fine to remove that orange tag because it's very unclear why it's there.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 18:30, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• Coment – Is this supposed to be a blurb nom.? If so, where's the blurb? Not to mention sources.... Here's two [1] [2] from Sunday, but it appears not much is happening today. – Sca (talk) 18:35, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

No, this was supposed to be ongoing, and i do have the associated press source in my comment, but thanks for the extra sources. Sorry if I messed something up, as this is my first time nominating something. Gex4pls (talk) 18:42, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Sensationalistic. We also don't re-nominate George Floyd protests every time an African-American is shot. More NPOV would have helped nom. Albertaont (talk) 18:39, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• This is a very strange !vote. It was renominated for ongoing because the protests are ongoing and the article is up to date. This is the criteria for an item to be in ongoing. 50,000+ protesters and several hundred arrests isn't nothing.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 18:43, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose There are many marches of similar size every year that we don't post. I don't see any notability beyond the fact that 50,000 people went out.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:09, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose The ongoing for this was just removed, this is getting tiring now, people asking for removal/addition again and again. There should be something in place to stop these noms. Gotitbro (talk) 19:30, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• IMHO that would be avoided if we didn't remove items from ongoing so hastily, necessitating renominations shortly after. Please comment on whether or not this nomination meets the guidelines. An item should go in ongoing if it is being continuously updated with new news. I feel like I'm replying to every comment here, which I don't intend to do, but I think it's important to remind editors that these sorts of !votes that don't mention whether or not an item meets the criteria should be avoided.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 19:45, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Vanilla Wizard: We made a lot of concessions and kept these protests on the main page for two months — more time than for any other developing story in the last couple of years — but we had to stop somewhere as it has become clear that they won't lead to any major changes. And frankly, the story will hardly be re-posted because of a march with no immediate effect like this one.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:46, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• I was under the impression that we simply follow the guidelines rather than make crystal ball predictions about what the protests will lead to. It's a currently up-to-date article about a currently in-the-news ongoing event. That's a pretty open-and-shut explanation of how it checks all the boxes that it's supposed to. Not every update needs to be notable enough for a blurb, it simply needs to be a substantial update; the criteria makes that clear. ITN/C isn't the place to discuss proposed changes to the guidelines, but if you and the rest of the oppose voters think this shouldn't be posted over non-guideline-based reasons, then Wikipedia talk:In the news would be the place to go.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 21:12, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Vanilla Wizard: I get your point but that's not how ITN works. Notability is the principal criterion for inclusion no matter how good the updates and the key articles are. People are usually biased by quality only in cases of borderline notability and that's when we typically err on the side of inclusion. However, notice that people here also complain about article's quality, so I think you should easily get where the opposition comes from. And when the majority doesn't agree with you, so be it and move on from the discussion. Your replies to every single opposer and argumentation with rules-lawyering won't make your opinion more valuable and may only invite a new wave of opposers who initially didn't intend to vote on this nomination. That's something from my personal experience.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:46, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

The merits of inclusion/exclusion have already been discussed in a discussion that was just a few days ago, so we needn't debate that again and again. My point was that this is a WP:SNOW close considering the just concluded discussion on its removal. Gotitbro (talk) 07:48, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Seems fine by me, it appears that the general consensus is that this should not return to ongoing. Gex4pls (talk) 12:11, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

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(Ready) 2020 Bolivian general election

Article: 2020 Bolivian general election (talk, history)
Blurb: ​The Movement for Socialism under Luis Arce (pictured) wins a majority of the vote in the Bolivian general election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​Luis Arce (pictured) is elected President of Bolivia in a snap general election.
News source(s): AFP
Credits:

• Nominated by Morgan695 (talk • give credit)

Nominated event is listed at WP:ITN/R, meaning that the recurrence of the event should in itself merit a post on WP:ITN, subject to the quality of the article and any update(s) to it.

Nominator's comments: Jeanine Añez has also conceded. Morgan695 (talk) 05:14, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose for now – I guess the Bolivian people still want socialism of the 21st century. Hmm... For ITN, we need a results section with at least some prose description of preliminary results. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 05:37, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

  Not at all, he's looking to lose in the second tour of voting --CoronaOneLove (talk) 11:52, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

What are you talking about? 70.166.106.46 (talk) 00:55, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

I'd ignore those two previous posts. Both pretty silly. HiLo48 (talk) 01:32, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Only concludes the first round of voting, and this guy will almost certainly lose in the second round. --CoronaOneLove (talk) 11:52, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

  It was a landslide. The second round is cancelled in such cases. Either of the possible conditions for victory has been met: a candidate is declared the winner if they receive more than 50% of the vote, or over 40% of the vote and are 10 percentage points ahead of their closest rival. Exit polls show 52% to 31%. Even if they slide below 50% on the final count that is still a more than 10% lead from the next opposition party. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 12:00, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

  Let's wait for official results then. If they officially call it with more than 50% of votes in favour of that guy then I 'support' posting this, otherwise I believe we should wait for the results of the second round. --CoronaOneLove (talk) 16:01, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• Wait It seems all done but I don't truly trust the Bolivian exit polls. ETA: the Áñez "concession" means nothing since she dropped out ages ago, it's just her properly stepping down since there was no cessation of government from what I've seen. Kingsif (talk) 12:28, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
• Wait – for clarity, RS confirmation. – Sca (talk) 13:06, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support and/or Wait I'm fine with waiting a little while longer for more reporting on this, but available sources (including the incumbent interim president) already confirmed that Luis Arce won it outright with a simple majority of the vote, meaning that he will be the president and there is not going to be a second round.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 17:55, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support and okay with Wait This is a clearcut victory, baseless to suggest otherwise. Although considering who won not surprising there are those who would rather "hold off" the news. Albertaont (talk) 18:53, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• Like most countries that aren't the United States, votes aren't declared before they're counted and counting doesn't take weeks/months. Exit polls are treated as unofficial, not like accurate predictions. And since a 5 point shift - well within margin of error for some pollsters - would have taken it to a run-off, it would have been jumping the gun far too much to have posted earlier. That's why people wanted to wait while none of the candidates were conceding, and the only reason, it's disingenuous for you to insinuate otherwise. Kingsif (talk) 19:15, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• Wait for official results. Candido (talk) 19:27, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support when the official results come out This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 20:32, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support posting now Not sure about Bolivia, but in my country official results can come out several weeks after clear results are known and already being acted on by newly elected governments. We should not wait that long. It will no longer be news then. 22:59, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• In the Bolivian election last year, the results took less than 2 days. Sure, that didn't end well, but it's not a ballache of a system like in the US. Kingsif (talk) 01:30, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• Wait Despite the fact that Mesa conceded defeat we should wait until the official results come out. Also, this blurb is not appropriate. Bolivia is a presidential regime and not a parlamentarism one.--SirEdimon ^Dimmi!!! 23:30, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

SirEdimon - Do you have any idea how long it will take for official results to come out? I don't. Without knowing, there is really no point in waiting. HiLo48 (talk) 03:08, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

HiLo48 The results are expected for the end of this week. Alsoriano97 (talk) 11:24, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Alsoriano97 - So you say. Even if they are available then, this item will be stale by then. Delaying posting is insanity. Would this happen with a US election? HiLo48 (talk) 22:11, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support Article looks good, in the news and all but confirmed. Gotitbro (talk) 13:01, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Agree with Gotitbro. OptXSolo (talk) 16:40, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Results still not returned completely, but with only real opposition conceding, Arce has it. Added alt blurb that is more accurate to the situation. Kingsif (talk) 19:15, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Ready We appear to be waiting for something whose timing we cannot predict with any certainty. This is in the news globally right now. The chances of any posting being incorrect are minuscule. Let's not wait until it's NOT in the news. HiLo48 (talk) 22:14, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support per above. Results are out. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 23:35, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support per above. Davey2116 (talk) 06:10, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Official results isn't out yet, but it seems that reasonably reliable counts have called a single round landslide and the loser have conceded. No reason to hold. Juxlos (talk) 06:32, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment as of now, with 54.41% for MAS (Arce), 29.34% for CC (Mesa) and 87.96% of votes counted (according to the official website), the mathematical possibility for a second round no longer exists because even if CC gets all the remaining votes, the difference will be more than 10% and MAS will have more than 40% of votes. 193.198.162.14 (talk) 15:11, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Alan Stephenson Boyd

Article: Alan Stephenson Boyd (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: I think this should be moved to Alan S. Boyd per WP:COMMONNAME. Bloom6132 (talk) 21:40, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• Comment. Article looks clean and meets hygiene requirements for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 05:35, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support per above though the awards section seems redundant, and im tempted to combine it with the above section. Gex4pls (talk) 13:47, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Article looks fine, all paragraphs cited and image is pd. Yoninah (talk) 15:08, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• @Spencer, Stephen, and Amakuru: I think this may be ready to go. —Bloom6132 (talk) 21:43, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Posted. Spencer^T•C 03:03, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

(Ready) Northern Cyprus presidential election

Article: 2020 Northern Cypriot presidential election (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Ersin Tatar (pictured) is elected President of Northern Cyprus. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, Al Jazeera
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by GGT (talk • give credit)
• Updated by Number 57 (talk • give credit)

Article updated
Nominated event is listed at WP:ITN/R, meaning that the recurrence of the event should in itself merit a post on WP:ITN, subject to the quality of the article and any update(s) to it.

Nominator's comments: Northern Cyprus elections are not ITNR, but we have posted the most recent presidential and parliamentary ones, in 2015 and 2018 respectively. This is basically as high profile as these elections get, the President is the only internationally recognised representative of Turkish Cypriots, the election campaign was marked by developments that drew international reactions (including from the UN security council) and the election of the Ankara-backed right-wing candidate (in lieu of the pro-reunification incumbent opposed by Ankara) comes at a time of raised tensions in the Eastern Mediterranean, with significant short- and long-term ramifications. GGT (talk) 21:00, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

P.S. I had started this as a non-ITNR, regular nomination, but the template above was changed to ITNR by GreatCaesarsGhost later. --GGT (talk) 00:32, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• Comment – Reluctant to open the door to reporting the politics of entities that are not recognized, de jure, states. That would be a dubious precedent, as there are countless regionalisms around the world. Yes, I know we posted items on Catalonia a couple years ago, but that situation was dynamic and posed broader ramifications for Europe. – Sca (talk) 21:36, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
  • This would not be opening the door, Sca, as we have precedents, having previously posted 2015 Northern Cypriot presidential election and 2018 Northern Cypriot parliamentary election (not to mention elections in Taiwan or Kosovo), and we are yet to witness a deluge of regionalist politics on ITN. It is not true that there are countless regionalisms around the world comparable to this. Per the list of states with limited recognition, there are nine other states in a similar situation. Out of these partially recognised states, Northern Cyprus is the only one, besides Taiwan, to have been classified as "free" by Freedom House. And we still judge each election based on the circumstances, this one clearly has international ramifications - I don't know of many election campaigns recently that have sparked UN Security Council statements! --GGT (talk) 21:53, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

  Just because it was posted earlier does not mean it 'should' be now. Taiwan is not really comparable and is not dependent on another major country (Kosovo also has wider recognition and is not substantially dependent on other states, though I would've opposed that nom). This is more akin to posting about elections in Artsakh/Nagorno Karabakh (which we haven't ever done AFAIK). I just don't see this being notable enough, there isn't a major leadership change and if anything the election only highlights Turkey's dominance over Northern Cyprus. Gotitbro (talk) 22:19, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

  Of course it doesn't, but the fact that it was posted earlier means that the precedent is already there and that we aren't setting it now. The initial argument that I was countering was that we'd be setting a precedent by posting this. This is a major change of leadership re. the longest-running diplomatic dispute in the west as well as the recent Eastern Mediterranean dispute. That Turkey has been able to reassert its dominance with the failure of the pro-reunification leader to be re-elected is newsworthy IMO. At this point, however, I will redirect users to the the Guardian article. That basically puts this into good perspective, and one can of course make differing conclusions about the significance based on that. --GGT (talk) 22:31, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Not ITNR nor am I convinced by the nom of its "ramifications" per Sca's arguments out above. Gotitbro (talk) 22:19, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

"Not ITNR" is not a reason to oppose a nomination. 331dot (talk) 22:22, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

What I meant was this is not usual election stuff (being an unrecognized state et all and hence different from the generally accepted election results on ITN), perhaps should've worded better. Gotitbro (talk) 04:17, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• Weak support Turns out it was a sovereign state after all. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 22:21, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support in principle. Actually this is ITN/R, because the criteria for elections covers "all states on the List of sovereign states". That list is divided into UN member states and other states, but the Northern Cyprus is certainly on the list in the latter section, so the above Opposes are not permissible. Also, as noted we posted it before and that precedent should be followed in any case, for a story which is featured in the mainstream western press too. There are a couple of cites needed, but after that it's good to go.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:27, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Northern Cyprus is not a sovereign state and is only recognized as such by the country with troops there. 331dot (talk) 22:33, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Well it's on the list mentioned in the criteria, so either fight to get it removed from that, or change the rule here at ITN/R. But as of now, this is unambiguously covered, an opposes based on notability are not permitted.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:37, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

At one point disputed states were given their own section of the page IIRC. The list states that only a single country recognizes them as a state and the TRNC is not recognized by any international body. It's not me that needs to fight, it's you, providing sources that refer to this entity as a sovereign state. 331dot (talk) 22:40, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

ITNR states "Disputed states and dependent territories should be discussed at WP:ITN/C and judged on their own merits." That's what we are doing here. 331dot (talk) 22:41, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

I have provided a link to the rules of ITN/R. It says in black and white that any state on the list is covered. Not only UN states, or states in the top half of the list. We defer to that list and the careful consideration that goes into it for validity,so we don't have to have pointless arguments like this one.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:51, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

You seem to be disregarding the sentence from what you cite above. 331dot (talk) 22:56, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

The "disputed states" link also includes Israel and China. Should we start discussing those "on their merits" too? Presumably the purpose of that clause is to cover cases like Crimea or the Donbass, which aren't on the sovereign States list. The fact is that Northern Cyprus functions as a sovereign state in all practical ways, and satisfies the "declarative theory of statehood", which is why it's included on our list of sovereign states. Sure, it lacks recognition but its election is just as impactful for people living there as those elsewhere. So even if you're right about it not being ITN/R, it's a notable story in its own right. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 23:09, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

By that sense, Sealand and Conch Republic (if they even do have elections) elections are also ITN-worthy and ITN/R because they declare themselves a sovereign state. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 23:19, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

No, the determining factor would be whether they are on the said list, which they are not, but Northern Cyprus is. —GGT (talk) 23:22, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Israel and China are UN members and each recognized by more than one state. The TRNC is only recognized by the country that has troops there to protect it(or occupy it depending on your point of view). The disputed states listing does not say it only covers entities not on the sovereign states list. The fact remains that no one except Turkey recognizes the TRNC as a state, unless you can produce reliable sources saying otherwise. 331dot (talk) 23:52, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

(re: Destroyeraa) The list of entities with limited recognition (currently 10, including entities such as Northern Cyprus, Kosovo, Taiwan, Artsakh, Palestine, etc) excludes micronations and is decided through rigorous discussion, much like the List of sovereign states that Amakuru has linked to. I can assure you that you won't have to worry about us posting about the Principality of Sealand if we change the ITN/R rules to explicitly include entities at the list of states with limited recognition, or set a precedent that such entities can be included.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 00:50, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support - I believe we can discuss it on its own merits and ignore the conversation about whether or not Northern Cyprus is truly sovereign enough to be ITN/R; what we know is that it is a state that de facto does exist and has limited international recognition. Whether or not this nom is ITN/R seems to be debatable, so I won't focus on that, but - as 331dot said - just because the nom may not be ITN/R doesn't automatically mean it's not notable, either. Going off of precedent, this election seems to be no less notable than the last couple of Northern Cypriot elections we posted. The article's quality appears to be fine, as it's lengthy enough and well-sourced.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 23:06, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose A state that is recognized by only one other sets the bar far too low. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 00:59, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support per Amakuru. The TRNC is listed on the list of sovereign states and qualifies under ITN/R. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 03:03, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose The line between a self-governing region and a separate country is blurred at best, but I think it needs to be recognized by more than just a single other country to count. And given that I don't think Northern Cyprus qualifies as a country, I also don't think its elections are notable enough for ITN. Mlb96 (talk) 03:53, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Reliable sources have considered it a sovereign state for decades now, but you set your own standard as to what does and doesn't qualify as a country? There's a reason why there's a harsh criteria for inclusion over at List of sovereign states, and Northern Cyprus passes it. Nice4What (talk ·contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 05:37, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Nice4What Please offer the reliable sources that you state consider an entity recognized by one state(with troops there) and not a member of any international body as a sovereign state. 331dot (talk) 07:55, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

@331dot: Stop canvassing, realize that the TRNC does participate in international organizations, and there are plenty of results but I figure this will spiral into a conversation about every source's legitimacy rather than how obvious it is that this currently qualifies under ITN/R. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 14:20, 19 October 2020 (UTC); Edited 05:37, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Nice4What I have not canvassed anyone to this discussion for any purpose, either on or off Wiki. 331dot (talk) 16:01, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• Many of the comments here are general statements about the suitability of Northern Cyprus election for ITN. I don’t think that’s a valid reason for an oppose !vote, since the ITN rules clearly state that even for disputed states, each election should be considered on its own merits, which by implication allows posting elections in disputed states. It is certainly not the case that no political developments in unrecognised entities can be posted, and generalised statements miss the nuance here. We have clearly posted Northern Cyprus elections before, so any oppose !votes should be explaining why this election lacks significance on its own merits (an example is Gotitbro’s comment), and not just stating the obvious that the election took place in a disputed state. —GGT (talk) 05:53, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support per Amakuru. This is technically an ITN/R item or the description for disputed states is ambiguous at the very least, although mentioning Israel and China as examples makes a very strong argument in support. But even if it's not, this is sufficiently newsworthy (not to mention the precedent of posting).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 06:30, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

There is nothing ambiguous about an entity recognized only by a country with troops there and not a member of any international body not being considered a sovereign state while Israel and the PRC, both recognized by a majority of states and members of international bodies, as sovereign states. 331dot (talk) 07:57, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

FFS 331dot, you have been shown to be incorrect and yet you're still arguing about troops and international bodies and other irrelevances like that. This is verging on WP:IDHT territory now. The criteria for inclusion are crystal clear, they do not mention anything about troops, they simply say to follow the List of sovereign states. Which our list considers TRNC to be. If you want to change that, then you know what to do.  — Amakuru (talk) 08:30, 19 October 2020 (UTC) - Withdrawn, this looks a bit too harsh on further reading, although it is still frustrating that so many people are still ignoring the rules of ITN/R based on their own opinions, that's all I'll say for now.  — Amakuru (talk) 08:41, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

That's interesting because I feel the same frustration as "Disputed states and dependent territories should be discussed at WP:ITN/C and judged on their own merits" being disregarded, as clearly an entity recognized only by the country with troops there is a disputed state, which does not apply to entities recognized by a majority of sovereign states(Israel and the PRC). 331dot (talk) 08:45, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

@331dot: I said technically, not absolutely, and it's clear that those two bullets that you're re-iterating in the discussion above are not completely disjoint (the first should be re-worded to "All universally recognised states on the List of sovereign states" to make them disjoint but that's off-topic here). Vastly more important is that the black-and-white discussion on the ITN/R status has impact on other people's votes so that they come and oppose simply on the grounds that it's not an ITN/R item or it's a state recognised by only one other without paying attention that this state is de jure part of the European Union but de facto out of it and the election loss of the incumbent president supporting unionism to a person who supports a two-state solution is a major backstep in the process of solving the problem. The latter is not only an internal political matter but of the European Union as a whole because the division practically tailors the borders of the Schengen area.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:23, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose With all respect for Turkey. Our own article cites Council of Europe "that despite the fact that it has not been recognised de iure by any other State than Turkey, the TRNC exist de facto as an independent State exercising all branches of State power on its territory". The same can be said about many unrecognized breakaway states, like Republic of Artsakh (which is also on the List of sovereign states) or Republic of Donetsk that also exist as de facto independent states exercising all branches of state power. With that in mind, this is ultimately a WP:NPOV issue and I don't recall posting Northern Cyprus before. Brandmeister^talk 08:36, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Brandmeister We did post their last presidential election and parlimentary election. 331dot (talk) 08:49, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

I think it was a mistake. Perhaps some amendment should be made to ITNR for cases like this or the Republic of Artsakh (the latter, I'm sure, will never be posted despite being currently on the List of sovereign states). Brandmeister^talk 08:56, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose If we are setting the bar as low as a country that is recognised by only one other, that is such a low bar that you are going to end up with all sorts of edge cases such as those mentioned above. Personal opinion, regardless of ITNR or previous postings. Black Kite (talk) 08:52, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
• This really is quite frustrating. ITNR clearly states, even with disputed states: “The results of general elections in [...] Disputed states and dependent territories should be discussed at WP:ITN/C and judged on their own merits.” Note how the discussion should be about the merits of the results of the elections, NOT the state itself. That means that elections in partially recognised states like Northern Cyprus can be featured IF the community agrees on the election’s significance, so it’s the election’s significance that we should be debating, not some fuzzy sense of whether we’re “setting the bar too low” (whatever that slippery slope argument is meant to mean). The bar is already set. That is the playbook we have had up until now, and we have already posted two of these. That is what the guideline for this says and that is what I had in mind when I was working towards the nomination and arguing for the significance in my nominating statement. If the result of this discussion is no consensus due to arguments opposing it by the virtue of the election being in Northern Cyprus, rather than arguments relating to the election’s significance per se, then I suggest we edit ITNR per this precedent so that people in the future won’t actually be misled into bothering. I for one certainly won’t bother. —GGT (talk) 11:06, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
• I raised a suggestion recently on the talk page that if ITNR qualification was in doubt, we should treat the item as not qualifying. This was rejected, with the basic logic of ITNR: we're trying to avoid those discussions. This item is unquestionably ITNR, but clearly some wish that it would not be. It is on the list of sovereign states and not on the list of disputed states. I personally hate ITNR because it mandates that we cannot discuss the (plainly questionable) merits of something because of a prior (often VERY specious) consensus. But we can't toss it out whenever it doesn't suit our purposes. GreatCaesarsGhost 11:19, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• It's not a disputed state? I don't think you could get one more disputed than a state which the entire international community, bar one, considers to be part of another country but currently under illegal occupation ... Black Kite (talk) 14:58, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• I made no such assertion. My point is only that 1) this state is explicitly as on that qualifies under ITNR, and 2) consensus is we do not re-arbitrate ITNR consensus here. GreatCaesarsGhost 18:10, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

  Fully agree with GreatCaesarsGhost. The whole point of ITNR is to avoid these arguments. The "disputed states" clause at WP:ITN/R does actually cause confusion, because it links to List of states with limited recognition, which as well as Northern Cyprus also includes states which are almost universally recognised, such as China, South Korea and Israel. I think it would be useful to just remove the "disputed states" qualification altogether, because it doesn't add anything new. We are always free to discuss things on their merits anyway. And the third bullet point does not say that it supersedes the first bullet point, which says "The results of general elections in All states on the List of sovereign states". This is unambiguous, it doesn't qualify it as only the UN states, or only those with more than X% of countries recognising. Anyway, I've said my piece on this. It probably needs to be clarified with a discussion and clearer wording, once the dust settles on this one.  — Amakuru (talk) 18:12, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose – Beyond the fact that Northern Cyprus is not a widely recognized sovereign state, and is in effect occupied by the only country that does recognize it, I don't see where the election result portends a particularly significant change. – Sca (talk) 13:14, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

@Sca: The president-elect is supportive of a two-state solution and he won the election in a race with the incumbent president who has unionist ideology. So, the result is a major backstep in the peace process to resolve the dispute.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:36, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support Despite the fact that Northern Cyprus isn't well recognized, a new president could affect the status of the area. Gex4pls (talk) 14:48, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Northern Cyprus isn't really a recognized country, so why even put it in there? OptXSolo (talk) 16:25, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment I don't envy whoever ends up sifting through the comments here to determine the consensus, but I would like to respectfully ask that the oppose !voters above mention more than just the fact that Northern Cyprus has limited recognition. That alone does not mean that it's not notable.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 18:37, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Vanilla Wizard At least some (like me) are responding to the assertion this should be an ITNR nomination, and not a regular nomination, only. I take the latter view that ITNR makes it clear that the TRNC is not a sovereign state and should be discussed on its own merits. 331dot (talk) 19:15, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

I appreciate that you are one of only a handful of editors to mention that not being ITN/R does not automatically mean it's not notable, though I also believe that this thread has been derailed by the debate over if it's sovereign or not, and determining the consensus would likely require the closer to manually discount several !votes based on their own judgment of whether or not they are congruent with ITN's notability guidelines.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 19:30, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support Personally I think it's a bit of a stretch to give this an automatic ITN/R pass, but it seems a newsworthy enough story and the article quality is fine.-- P-K3 (talk) 19:54, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

  Yes, this is the main point that should be considered here really. Leaving aside the ITN/R dispute, the story has enough legs on its own merits anyway. It's in the news, the elected individual is the de facto leader of the territory in question, whatever the international legality of the situation, and it also has potential knock-on geopolitical effects in the region. It's worthy of posting on those grounds.  — Amakuru (talk) 23:01, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• Why has this been changed to ITNR? That is contentious at best and I don't see any consensus here of this being an ITNR nom, most people are considering it on its own merits and not its article quality. Gotitbro (talk) 07:39, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose with all respect to the Turkish Cypriots, but Northern Cyprus is a partially recognized non-UN country. --► Sincerely: SolaVirum 09:57, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Marked as ready - It's ITNR, article quality is good to go.--WaltCip-(talk) 13:18, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

FALSEHOOD, n. A truth to which the facts are loosely adjusted to an imperfect conformity. – Ambrose Bierce — Sca (talk) 22:22, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

That this is ITNR is in dispute. ITNR states that "Disputed states and dependent territories should be discussed at WP:ITN/C and judged on their own merits". An entity recognized only by one country and supported militarily by that same country is clearly a "Disputed state and dependent territory". 331dot (talk) 13:24, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

It's a sovereign state, so it qualifies. This is not the place to litigate the wording of ITN/R. That should be done on the talk page.--WaltCip-(talk) 13:36, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

It is not a sovereign state, it is clearly disputed. I am not litigating the wording of ITNR, it is very clear about this and it concerns me that this is being disregarded. 331dot (talk) 13:39, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

You are exactly litigating the wording of ITN/R. The criteria give a list of states to follow, and we're following it. There seems to be consensus that the article has sufficient quality, so agree that this is ready and hopefully this can be posted soon. Then we can consider and discuss whether the ITN/R rules are fit for purpose, or need some amendment, at our leisure.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:43, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

It's almost as if whoever wrote the wording didn't realize that disputed states are included on List of sovereign states. This has to be cleared up, although the ITN talk page would be the proper place.-- P-K3 (talk) 13:49, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Certainly agree it needs sorting out. We should lay out the various alternatives and !vote on them, then amend the wording so it's watertight either way. In the mean time, this one is stuck in limbo though. Many people think it's ITN/R, while many others don't. I also think the Oppose !votes are rather weak, even disregarding the ITN/R question, as they mostly just say "NC is not a state", without offering a rationale as to why its election is therefore unimportant. But then I'm biased, of course as I support the story's promotion. How do you resolve all that?  — Amakuru (talk) 15:25, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support per Pawnkingthree. Given the above discussion, I don't think this should be a quick "ITN/R + post", but at the same time, it shouldn't be a quick "not a sovreign state + oppose" either IMO. The article is better fleshed out than many that appear here at ITN/C; we have posted elections for this state previously; there are worthwhile geopolitical implications and these are described in the article. Spencer^T•C 18:09, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support. I do think this merits posting(just not as ITNR), as this man's election would seem to forestall the possibility of a settlement of the Cyprus issue. 331dot (talk) 09:18, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: James A. Johnson (businessman)

Article: James A. Johnson (businessman) (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post; The Associated Press
Credits:

• Nominated by Bloom6132 (talk • give credit)
• Updated by KittenKlub (talk • give credit) and Bloom6132 (talk • give credit)

Article updated

 Bloom6132 (talk) 20:57, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support Also a well referenced and complete article, and he is major power broker. (better put it on watchlist now) KittenKlub (talk) 21:06, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 02:43, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Sid Hartman

Article: Sid Hartman (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Star Tribune; WCCO-TV (CBS)
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk • give credit)

Article updated

 Bloom6132 (talk) 20:41, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support The article is well referenced and comprehensive enough. KittenKlub (talk) 20:44, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 02:46, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) Royal pardon for London Bridge civilian

Consensus is against posting. Sandstein 20:42, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

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Article: 2019 London Bridge stabbing (talk, history)
Blurb: ​A royal pardon is granted to murderer Steven Gallant for his efforts in apprehending the perpetrator of the 2019 London Bridge stabbing, the first such pardon since 1996. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Kingsif (talk • give credit)
• Updated by Pigsonthewing (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: It is very unusual that the Queen actually uses her powers, here in judiciary. Kingsif (talk) 07:12, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Pardons are WP:MILL, The Ministry of Justice said the Queen was advised to grant this pardon (per the Guardian source above) means that this is the standard situation where the Queen acts on the advice of the government. power~enwiki (π, ν) 07:17, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• Pardons may be common as air for Trump's friends, but even if the government told the Queen to do it, she still did, the first invocation of such (controversial) authority since 1996. Not run of the mill by any stretch of the imagination. Kingsif (talk) 07:21, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Royal prerogative of mercy links to [3], giving an example of a pardon from 2001 (well, not for MURDER), and claiming that about six on average are granted special remission in a year. power~enwiki (π, ν) 07:27, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• Yes. Oh, do you think that helps an oppose vote? Not in my eyes... Kingsif (talk) 07:36, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support. This isn't run of the mill, the first one since 1996(even if the Queen is only doing what she's told). It's also unusual for a murderer anywhere to be pardoned(in the US we would say the sentence was commuted) for actions in apprehending or stopping another murderer, or where the family of the victim does not object. 331dot (talk) 07:20, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Duterte of the Philippines pardoned a murderer in September [4]. Trump did in May [5]. power~enwiki (π, ν) 07:25, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• And were they a figurehead who is not supposed to intervene or actually elected to that theoretical mandate? Can you see the difference? This needs to be looked at within British judiciary context; if every nom relating to legal precedents were considered globally it is likely none would ever get posted as "not unique enough when compared to this thing that happened in some place with a completely different system and history". Kingsif (talk) 07:26, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• It's not a figurehead issue, it's the queen acting on the advice of the government like she does all the f***ing time!!! power~enwiki (π, ν) 07:28, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• Glad you can keep a level head about this... Kingsif (talk) 07:30, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• Are you going to disagree with my claim this is on the advice of government, or not? power~enwiki (π, ν) 07:31, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• Were the examples you cite of murderers who help stop other murders or terrorists? The Queen does not pardon people all the time. A US president typically pardons a few dozen or maybe more in a term.(and can only pardon federal crimes, not state crimes) 331dot (talk) 07:33, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
• I guess I meant "give a reason that's not you apparently disliking the Queen to the point of expletives after three comments and we might be able to talk". It is on the advice of the Lord Chancellor, who ranks above the government, and is an advisor to the Queen. And, as said, she still actually did it. The Queen doesn't intervene, especially to pardon murder, unless she chooses to. It's actually exercising her powers rather than just nodding at every elected PM to go ahead. Kingsif (talk) 07:36, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• You didn't answer my question. I gave two examples (from other countries) of murderers being pardoned this year. I don't know or care if the details match up with this case; I suppose none of them were juggling while they did it either, but that detail wouldn't make a case ITN worthy. And as I linked above, there were royal pardons in 2001, and that article claims they occur regularly for some cases (also presumably not murder). And if you fucking think that my use or non-use of fucking makes a fucking difference I will fucking say the word fucking as fucking much as I fucking want. power~enwiki (π, ν) 07:38, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• I will block you from editing this page if you cannot be more civil. 331dot (talk) 07:41, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• You mean you'll let an uninvolved admin make that decision.--WaltCip-(talk) 13:09, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• The Lord Chancellor is appointed by the Sovereign on the advice of the Prime Minister. and The Lord Chancellor is a member of the Cabinet, hence, part of the government. This isn't Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II going rogue to grant mercy. This is standard behavior of the UK government. Any claims otherwise are foolish, and any claims of notability based on a claim of the royal prerogative being unusually invoked are factually incorrect. This is my final reply on the topic; certain editors seem to have a strong opinion on this matter that isn't backed up by the reliable sources they cite, I will let other editors discuss this. power~enwiki (π, ν) 07:43, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• It is, in fact, your claims that are foolish. In your quotations from the Lord Chancellor article you seem to have artfully skipped that he is the highest-ranking among the Great Officers of State who are appointed regularly in the United Kingdom, nominally outranking the Prime Minister. The Lord Chancellor is outranked only by the Lord High Steward, another Great Officer of State, who is appointed only for the day of coronations. He is not an elected member of the Cabinet, nor does he sit in either of the Houses of Parliament, hence, not part of the government. Not that it really matters because even if it was Boris who made the suggestion, and for the last time, the Queen does not regularly pardon murder - even the one in 1996 was for murder as part of foreign militia group actions during a time of pseudo-war by a man who acted as an informant then handed himself in after living free in the UK for years, someone you might say seems much more "pardonable". Kingsif (talk) 07:52, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• Comment: No stake in this argument, but I do want to point out that the current Lord Chancellor, Robert Buckland, is in fact a member of the House of Commons, and is the Secretary of State for Justice in the cabinet. He is decidedly part of the government, and the role of Lord Chancellor is appointed on the advice of the Prime Minister. 209.196.99.182 (talk) 09:07, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• I think it's clear I was pointing out that Power was misguided in claiming the position confers a role in government, and that it's moot anyway because why would that matter. Kingsif (talk) 09:37, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose – Certainly not significant and notable enough for the ITN. --WEBDuB (talk) 09:17, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• @WEBDuB: Can I ask why you think that? Kingsif (talk) 09:38, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

I think it's not an event that has attracted the enough attention of international media and Wikipedia editors.--WEBDuB (talk) 09:57, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

It just happened (3 hours), wait for other users and countries to notice before saying nobody's interested. Which isn't the only metric, by the way. Kingsif (talk) 10:02, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose, limited significance even in the UK. Most European countries have some form of process of pardoning by the head of state. —Brigade Piron (talk) 10:32, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose, limited press coverage. Even the Guardian did not put the story on their youtube channel, A normal pardon which as said above was on the advice of the government and not a unilateral decision. KittenKlub (talk) 11:00, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose While of interest for law enforcement in the UK, don't see its wider significance even domestically. Gotitbro (talk) 12:15, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose I just don't feel that it's that newsworthy for ITN. WaltCip-(talk) 12:25, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose – Parochial, lacking broad significance. – Sca (talk) 13:40, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose good faith nom, but this is just a sidenote in an article which did not even make it into ITN. Juxlos (talk) 15:03, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
• Am I reading this correctly: he's getting 10 months off a 17 year sentence? If so, this seems quite symbolic. GreatCaesarsGhost 15:40, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

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(Posted) Hyderabad floods

Article: 2020 Hyderabad floods (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Floods in Hyderabad, India, kill more than 81 people and cause $680 million in damage. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​Floods (pictured) in Hyderabad, India, kill at least 81 people.
News source(s): The Hindu
Credits:

• Nominated by Destroyeraa (talk • give credit)

Nominator's comments: Floods article that is updated and not too stubby. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 00:22, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support - Article looks good. Copy edit would be required Sherenk1 (talk) 06:24, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment The blurb looks a bit weird, maybe remove the local currency or the damage costs altogether. Gotitbro (talk) 12:17, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment anyone else supporting/opposing. C'mon people, look down here or else things'll get stale! ~ Destroyeraa🌀 14:39, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support A major loss of life in one of the largest cities in the world, what more needs to be said? Gex4pls (talk) 14:57, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
  • @Spencer: Ready? Don't want this to get stale. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 00:19, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Leaning towards Opposing on article length - would like some more information about the disaster (the article is definitely shorter than usual). The floods also don't seem to be covered by foreign press as much as the 2020 Visakhapatnam gas leak. The article also has a few grammar issues. Will Support if foreign coverage can be shown and if grammar issues are solved. 45.251.33.12 (talk) 05:00, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Al jazeera has reported on it, but thats about it. It seems that many media outlets dont really care about a disaster far from home. However, that is no reason for not including it. The article should definetly be cleaned up though. Gex4pls (talk) 15:42, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• A reference for a key paragraph did not support the detail. Stephen 05:18, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
  • @Stephen:  Done. I also expanded and added international sources, such as one from BBC. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 17:05, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Posted. Spencer^T•C 17:50, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

  Spencer, please can we add the picture as well? Ktin (talk) 23:04, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• Post Comment Whoops sorry I thought you posted it already SoloGaming (talk) 20:26, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

October 17

Portal:Current events/2020 October 17

Current events of October 17, 2020 (2020-10-17) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, 2020 Ganja ballistic missile attacks Azeri authorities say 13 civilians were killed and more than 40 others wounded by an Armenian Scud missile attack on Ganja, Azerbaijan. The Armenian Defence Ministry says it is not true while Turkey calls the strike a "war crime". (Al Jazeera) Azerbaijan says its troops have captured the city of Füzuli in Nagorno-Karabakh. Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev tweets "Fuzuli city was liberated from the occupiers. Fuzuli is ours! Karabakh is Azerbaijan! I cordially congratulate all the people of Azerbaijan on this occasion." (Trend) Armenian air defences shoot down three Azerbaijani drones operating in its national airspace, according to the Ministry of Defence of Armenia. (Urdupoint) Armenia and Azerbaijan announce they are again attempting to establish a ceasefire. (CBC) Iraqi insurgency (2017–present) At least eight Sunni Arabs are massacred by unknown men in Balad. The area is controlled by the Asa'ib Ahl al-Haq militia prompting accusations against the militia. (Xinhua)(The Jerusalem Post) Arts and culture Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on cinema, COVID-19 pandemic in New York New York Governor Andrew Cuomo announces that movie theaters in counties with no cluster zones in the state can reopen on October 23 with restrictions up to 25% in capacity with a maximum of 50 people per screen. However, movie theaters in New York City will remain closed. (Variety) Disasters and accidents 2020 California wildfires According to the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection, California wildfires have consumed around 1 million acres (1,600 sq. miles) over the past month. This represents approximately 1% of California's land area.(CNN) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in Italy Italy reports 10,925 new infections in the past 24 hours, a new record for a single day in the country since the pandemic began. As a result, Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte is slated to announce new restrictions tomorrow. (Corriere della Sera) (Reuters) Lombardy announces new restrictions ordering all bars closed at midnight effective today, with bars only able to serve customers seated at tables after 6 pm local time, and the sale of takeaway alcohol is also banned after that time. The region also prohibits the consumption of food and drink in all outside public areas under the new restrictions. (RFI) COVID-19 pandemic in Austria Austria reports 1,747 new infections in the past 24 hours, a new one-day record for the country since the pandemic began. (Reuters) COVID-19 pandemic in Cyprus Cyprus reports 202 new infections in the past 24 hours, a new record for the country that suggests the virus is spreading at a rapid pace as Cypriots fail to follow hygiene and social distancing protocols. (Financial Mirror) COVID-19 pandemic in France France reports a record 32,427 new cases in the past 24 hours as curfew goes into effect in Paris and other major cities in a bid to contain the outbreak. (Bloomberg) COVID-19 pandemic in Germany The number of new cases in Germany rises by 7,830 in the past 24 hours, a record for the third consecutive day. (DPA International) COVID-19 pandemic in Ukraine Ukraine reports a record 6,410 new cases in the past 24 hours, according to a statement from the NSDC. In addition, 109 patients have died in the past 24 hours, the highest daily death toll since the start of the pandemic. (Swiss Info) COVID-19 pandemic in Asia COVID-19 pandemic in Iran Iran surpasses 30,000 COVID-19 deaths. (AP) COVID-19 pandemic in Malaysia Malaysia reports 869 new infections in the past 24 hours, its highest daily count so far since the beginning of the outbreak. Of these new cases, 451 cases were from Sabah. (New Straits Times) COVID-19 pandemic in Thailand Thailand reports its first two locally transmitted cases of COVID-19 in more than one month, after two Myanmar nationals living near the border with the country tested positive. (CNA) COVID-19 pandemic in Bangladesh Information Minister Hasan Mahmud is hospitalized at Square Hospital in Dhaka after testing positive for COVID-19. (Bdnews24.com) COVID-19 pandemic in the United States COVID-19 pandemic in Indiana Indiana's Department of Health reports a record 2,521 new cases in a single day. That brings the state's cumulative total to 145,977 cases. This total includes 100 cases that were delayed in reporting "due to a technical issue." (The Indianapolis Star) COVID-19 pandemic in Ohio Ohio's Department of Health reports 2,234 new cases in the last 24 hours, which sets a new record for the fourth consecutive day. (WFMJ-TV) The United States reports 70,450 new cases in the last 24 hours, the highest number since July 24. (The New York Times) COVID-19 vaccine Russia is to begin clinical trials of its Sputnik V vaccine in India. (Reuters) Law and crime End SARS The Nigerian Army announces a cyber warfare operation as protests against police brutality in the country continue. (Premium Times) Hong Kong activist Alexandra Wong, known as "Grandma Wong", announces she was detained in mainland China for a month and a half in Shenzhen and alleges mental abuse. She was known for being at the protests waving a large British flag but had disappeared last August. (Reuters) Politics and elections 2020 New Zealand general election Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern wins a second term in a historic landslide. Ardern's Labour Party becomes the first party to win a majority since the proportional system was introduced in 1996. (TVNZ) (NBC News)

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(Posted) RD: Johnny Bush

Article: Johnny Bush (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Houston Chronicle; Rolling Stone; KTRK-TV (ABC)
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk • give credit)

Article updated

 Bloom6132 (talk) 20:36, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Bloom6132, I was holding off on this nomination since the discography seemed difficult to source / cite. Does that Allmusic link cover all of the entries in discography? Ktin (talk) 20:43, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

@Ktin: Yup, all the albums are cited by AllMusic. Two are under the "Compilations" filter (i.e. Undo the Right and The Absolute Johnny Bush). —Bloom6132 (talk) 20:51, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

@Ktin: And the singles that weren't covered by AllMusic have now all been sourced. —Bloom6132 (talk) 21:26, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Bloom6132, Perfect thanks. Can you give the article one end-to-end read for copy-edits, including perhaps removing the last line of the current lede and replacing it with some of his works or honors? I think this looks very close to being ready for homepage / RD. PS: I would selfishly hope that John Reid stays on the carousel for some more time before falling off. :) But, if this article is ready, I support it going onto homepage / RD. Cheers. Ktin (talk) 21:31, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support I was coming over here to nominate this, the article looks good and well sourced, ready for RD JW 1961 Talk 20:56, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• @Spencer, Stephen, and Amakuru: ready to go. —Bloom6132 (talk) 16:50, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 16:52, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

European Rugby Champions Cup

Articles: 2019–20 European Rugby Champions Cup (talk, history) and 2020 European Rugby Champions Cup Final (talk, history)
Blurb: ​In rugby union, Exeter Chiefs defeat Racing 92 in the final to win the European Rugby Champions Cup. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​In rugby union, Exeter Chiefs defeat Racing 92 in the European Rugby Champions Cup Final.
News source(s): The Guardian, San Diego Union-Trubune
Credits:

• Nominated by PCN02WPS (talk • give credit)
• Created by Paddyreilly (talk • give credit)
• Updated by Mikey'Da'Man, Archangel (talk • give credit)

One or both nominated events are listed at WP:ITN/R, meaning that the recurrence of the event should in itself merit a post on WP:ITN, subject to the quality of the article and any update(s) to it.

 PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 17:48, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

• Comment should the blurb point to the final article rather than the whole competition? JW 1961 Talk 21:02, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

  Joseywales1961, good point. I wasn't quite sure, alt1 added. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 00:46, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

  I think the final would be better so I Support with alt blurb JW 1961 Talk 12:39, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• Comment: Needs prose summary of final match. Spencer^T•C 03:09, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

  Pinging Mikey'Da'Man, Archangel, PCN02WPS to see if this can be fixed before nomination goes stale JW 1961 Talk 15:26, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) 2020 Ganja bombings

No consensus to post whilst conflict is in ongoing. Stephen 01:10, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

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Articles: 2020 Ganja bombings (talk, history) and Ganja, Azerbaijan (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Missile strike at a densely populated district of Ganja, Azerbaijan's second-largest city, leaves 13 civilians killed, and 52 more injured. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​Ganja, the second-largest city of Azerbaijan, was struck by a ballistic missile, resulting in 13 people getting killed, and 52 more injured.
Alternative blurb II: ​Azerbaijan's second-largest city, Ganja, was struck by a ballistic missile, resulting in 13 people getting killed, and 52 more injured.
News source(s): Reuters, The Guardian, Al Jazeera, Voice of America
Credits:

• Nominated by Solavirum (talk • give credit)

Nominator's comments: Mass-casualty incident in a major city with an alleged used of several Scud missiles, killing 13 (including minors and women), injuring 52, and levelling an entire neighborhood. --► Sincerely: SolaVirum 13:43, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

• Weak support the article isn't stubby and is updated. Not ITN/R. Though the war itself if already posted in the ongoing section, attacks in the past week have killed 23 civilians. It is sad how many civilians get killed in these wars. Due to the high casualty count, I'm supporting. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 14:37, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment You think Armenia'll legalize weed now? CoronaOneLove (talk) 15:40, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• complete nonsense. Why was the Shusha church attack or civilian hospital not posted? This is partisan nonsense 195.250.80.226 (talk) 16:13, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose updates in an ongoing conflict is why this conflict is in ongoing. No need for a blurb unless you're gonna pull the OG item --LaserLegs (talk) 16:36, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Weak oppose - We already have the NK conflict in 'Ongoing'. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 17:59, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose – We have the conflict in ongoing. We should not bump up into a blurb unless some other major escalation, such as open war being declared. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 18:12, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
  • The two sides are technically at open war, though no side wants to declare it. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 21:07, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose The start of hostilities was already posted on ITN and the conflict is already there on ongoing. ITN is not news ticker, unless something major happens (as suggested by C&C above), this is not going to be posted. Gotitbro (talk) 22:22, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose – There is no reason to list every single incident, the conflict is already in the ongoing events. --WEBDuB (talk) 09:14, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose – Another of many brutal episodes in this ongoing conflict, which indeed belongs in Ongoing. – Sca (talk) 13:45, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose for the reasons cited above. The "ongoing" listing already creates a high bar to inclusion and this appears to have had little strategic or political significance. Tragic, naturally. —Brigade Piron (talk) 14:46, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose considering the conflict is some 20 days old with casualties in what appears to be the low to mid thousands, this is unfortunately just another day. Juxlos (talk) 15:04, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

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(Posted) New Zealand general election

Articles: 2020 New Zealand general election (talk, history) and Jacinda Ardern (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Jacinda Ardern is re-elected as Prime Minister of New Zealand after the Labour Party wins a majority of seats in the general election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​The New Zealand Labour Party, led by incumbent prime minister Jacinda Ardern, wins a majority of seats in the general election.
Alternative blurb II: ​The New Zealand Labour Party, led by incumbent prime minister Jacinda Ardern, wins the most seats in the general election.
News source(s): Reuters, NYT, AP, BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Davey2116 (talk • give credit)
• Updated by Kingsif (talk • give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Preliminary results show a landslide for Jacinda Ardern. Davey2116 (talk) 08:35, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

• Wait Support ALT blurb 2 until the result is confirmed.  — Amakuru (talk) 08:53, 17 October 2020 (UTC).

  Update: Per discussion below, I'm happy to post now if it's unlikely we'll get much more news soon, as the "result" is fairly clear, but we should avoid saying she definitively has a majority if that's not actually certain yet. ALT blurb 2 looks good and is uncontroversial.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:58, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

  Amakuru, 64 to 56 is a pretty clear majority of seats. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 17:57, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

  Sources say that's just a "projection" though. I'm not entirely sure of the system there, because in UK elections, once all votes are tallied there's no doubt remaining about majorities. We could qualify it with "a likely majority" or similar, if people want to run with that line.  — Amakuru (talk) 18:09, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support if the result is confirmed. The current count is 81% and still counted. 110.137.170.83 (talk) 09:39, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Judith Collins has [conceded defeat]. I agree with Jayron that the altblurb is better. Chrisclear (talk) 10:17, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Altblurb is better as it reflects the electoral system in New Zealand better. --Jayron32 10:15, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Altblurb. New Zealanders do not elect their PM. HiLo48 (talk) 10:21, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment - as of 11:32 UTC, it is still not certain whether Labour will have a majority or not. So in principle, ALTblurb is fine, but we should still wait until it is confirmed exactly what has happened. "Conceding defeat" does not constitute that. CHeers  — Amakuru (talk) 11:33, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

• 'Comment Genuine question - what do you mean by "confirmed"? The votes will take several weeks to count, as they do for elections in many countries around the world. Precedent and common sense would suggest that the appropriate time to post this item would be now, when the item is in the news, and not when 100% of the votes have been counted. Chrisclear (talk) 11:40, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

  Well, the main point is that the question of whether or not they'd secured a majority seemed to be unanswered. Even now, the news is saying "Labour was expected to win 64 of the 120 seats in parliament, and National, 35". Is that question really not going to be answered for several weeks? If so, then I'd be happy to post now, but we need to nuance the blurb with words to the effect that it's not certain if a majority has been obtained or not.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:35, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

  Special votes only change the seat counts by, maybe, one seat, so this majority will definitely remain intact.  Nixinova   T   C   20:02, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes, it's entirely possible it could take weeks to count the votes. In which case something like altblurb2 might be a safer choice. Chrisclear (talk) 14:47, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support - Significant results for political trends. The difference in votes is clear enough, even if the results have not been officially confirmed.--WEBDuB (talk) 13:39, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support – All major Eng.-lang. RS sites report Labour (Adern) as "landslide" [6] [7] winner. – Sca (talk) 13:47, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

  "Landslide" is a journalese term, which doesn't really mean that much. We are an encyclopedia, and we must be precise. As noted above, I'm not in principle averse to posting this now, but we need to get the wording right.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:39, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Amakuru: It's a commonly used metaphorical term in the English language. But I wasn't trying to get it inserted into a blurb, just noting that all the sites use it as a descriptive term. – Sca (talk) 15:50, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

@Sca: fair enough.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:58, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

If you're "not in principle adverse to posting this now", then would you be able to change your earlier "wait" comment to "support"? Chrisclear (talk) 14:47, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

@Chrisclear: OK, done. Although as I said, let's not say she has a majority if that's not certain yet. Cheers.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:58, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support And it was a substantial win. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 14:30, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support per above. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 14:49, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support it is pretty much confirmed they have won at this point. However, as said above I'd go with the Altblurb as New-Zealanders were voting for the Labour Party not her directly. CreativeNorth (talk) 14:55, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

To veer off-topic, I do wonder just how many of the votes cast for Labour were really just to keep Ardern as PM, given NZ's relative lack of divisional party politics. Kingsif (talk) 16:04, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support It should probably be mentioned it's the biggest landslide in NZ, and the first time under their current system a party will lead without a coalition. Kingsif (talk) 16:00, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose for now – The #Results section prose is written in future tense and does not indicate anything being basically a done deal. It does not indicate that Ardern is the accepted winner and that the opposition has given a concession speech. It can be updated later with final results, but should indicate some highlights from the preliminary results. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 16:01, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

• I added a paragraph and updated the tense. The separate results article needs work, but the election article is the one to be blurbed. Kingsif (talk) 16:27, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

  Support. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 17:43, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support alt blurb 1. At least this time we don't need discussions about whether 'plurality' is a word in NZ English (spoiler: it is).  Nixinova   T   C   19:37, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Posted Alt 1. Unbolded Ardern's article, as there is just a 1-sentence update under the 2020 elections section. Spencer^T•C 20:25, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

October 16

Portal:Current events/2020 October 16

Current events of October 16, 2020 (2020-10-16) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks War in Afghanistan Afghan peace process The Taliban says that it plans to suspend attacks in southern Afghanistan if the United States promises to halt all strikes and night raids in keeping with the peace agreement signed in February. (San Francisco Chronicle) Withdrawal of U.S. troops from Afghanistan National Security Advisor Robert C. O'Brien says that the Trump administration plans to lower the troop level in Afghanistan by early 2021. (CNBC) Insurgency in Balochistan An attack left at least 7 soldiers and 7 security guards dead in Balochistan, Pakistan. (Dawn) Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa A bomb kills at least 6 soldiers in North Waziristan, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan. (Dawn) Murder of Samuel Paty A history teacher is stabbed and decapitated near a school in Conflans-Sainte-Honorine, Île-de-France, France. The killer is shot dead by police. The anti-terrorism prosecutor investigates the murder, which is described by President Emmanuel Macron as an "Islamist attack". The victim is believed to have shown caricatures of Islam's prophet Muhammad to his students during a lesson. (The Independent) (CNN) Gunmen attack a military base in Kindia, Guinea, about 85 km (53 mi) outside of the capital Conakry, killing the camp's commander, according to a statement released by the defence ministry. A prison in the city is also attacked, wounding an official and allowing several inmates to escape. The attacks come two days before the general elections. (Reuters) Business and economy Moody's downgrades the United Kingdom's debt rating to Aa3 with a stable outlook. (The Wall Street Journal) Andorra becomes the 190th member of the International Monetary Fund. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2020 Colorado wildfires The Cameron Peak Fire grows into 167,153 acres and becomes the largest wildfire this year in Colorado, surpassing the Pine Gulch Fire. (The Hill) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in North America COVID-19 pandemic in the United States COVID-19 pandemic in Illinois Illinois reports a record 4,553 new cases in a single day for the second consecutive days as Governor J.B. Pritzker said a third of the state has reached a “warning level” and the positivity rate rises above 5% the first time since early June. (Chicago Sun Times) COVID-19 pandemic in Nebraska Governor Pete Ricketts announces new restrictions amid rising cases and hospitalizations in the state. Indoor gatherings will be reduced from a capacity of 75% to 50%, people at bars and restaurants must remain seated with no more than eight people on tables, and table sizes for weddings and funerals must be limited to no more than eight people. The restrictions will go into effect on Wednesday. (The News & Observer) COVID-19 pandemic in Wisconsin The Department of Health Services (DHS) reports that 3,861 people in Wisconsin have tested positive in the last 24 hours, the highest number since the beginning of the pandemic. The positivity rate of 26.47% of the 14,586 tests received is the highest positivity for any day with more than 10,000 tests. (WBAY-TV) COVID-19 pandemic in Colorado Denver Mayor Michael Hancock announces new restrictions as cases in the city rise. Masks will be required in public spaces and gatherings will be limited to five people. (Fox News) (KCNC-TV) Pfizer says that it will not seek emergency approval for its COVID-19 vaccine until after the upcoming election. (Politico) The United States Department of Health and Human Services and the Trump administration announce a deal with Walgreens and CVS to provide COVID-19 vaccines to the elderly and staff in nursing homes. (CNBC) The United States surpasses eight million cases of COVID-19. (The Wall Street Journal) COVID-19 pandemic in Canada COVID-19 pandemic in Manitoba Manitoba reports 75 cases, ending a three-day streak of reporting no cases. (CBC) Winnipeg is expected to close bars and casinos for two weeks as cases in the city rise. In addition, stores and restaurants in the city will reduce their capacity by 50%. Restrictions will go into effect on Monday. (Reuters) COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in the United Kingdom COVID-19 pandemic in Northern Ireland Northern Ireland reports 1,299 new daily cases in the last 24 hours, its highest number of a single day yet, bringing the cumulative total at 25,177. (BBC) COVID-19 pandemic in Belgium The federal government closes all bars and restaurants for four weeks, imposes a nationwide curfew between midnight and 5:00 am local time, bans alcohol sales after 8:00 pm local time, sets telework as a rule, and reduces people's "social bubble", their number of close social contacts outside a household, to one in an attempt to curb the COVID-19 pandemic. The new measures is set to take effect on October 19. (Le Soir) (AP) COVID-19 pandemic in Bulgaria Bulgaria reports 914 new cases in the past 24 hours, the seventh time in the past ten days that the country has set a new record. (The Sofia Globe) COVID-19 pandemic in Croatia Croatia reports 1,131 new cases in the past 24 hours, a new record for the third day in a row. (koronavirus.hr) COVID-19 pandemic in the Czech Republic The Czech Republic reports a record 9,721 new cases in the past 24 hours, a new record for two days in a row, according to data from the Health Ministry. (The Daily Telegraph) COVID-19 pandemic in Germany With 7,334 new infections reported in the last 24 hours, Germany sets a new record of daily cases for the second day in a row since the start of the outbreak, according to official figures released by the Robert Koch Institute. (Anadolu Agency) COVID-19 pandemic in Greece The number of new infections in Greece reaches a record 508 in the last 24 hours, for the first time daily new cases reach 500 in a single day. From that cases, 227 are from Athens metropolitan area. (The National Herald) COVID-19 pandemic in Italy The number of new cases in Italy reaches 10,000 for the first time, when the country reports 10,010 new infections in the past 24 hours. (ABC Australia) COVID-19 pandemic in Malta Malta orders clubs, bars, and places of entertainment to close at 11 pm local time effective October 19, as the country makes mandatory the wearing of face masks in public in an attempt to reduce the spread of COVID-19. (Swiss Info) COVID-19 pandemic in Poland Poland reports 132 new deaths, a record increase since the outbreak began, amid fears the pandemic is testing the country's supply of hospital beds and ventilators. (Reuters) COVID-19 pandemic in Portugal Portugal reports 2,608 new daily cases, its highest daily increase yet, bringing the cumulative count to 95,902 confirmed cases. (DGS) COVID-19 pandemic in Russia Russia reports 15,150 new cases in the past 24 hours, a new daily record since the start of the pandemic as authorities grapple with the onset of a second wave. This is the first time that the country has reported more than 15,000 cases in a single day. (The Moscow Times) COVID-19 pandemic in Slovakia Slovakia reports 2,075 new cases in the past 24 hours, a new record for the second day in a row. (The Slovak Spectator) COVID-19 pandemic in Switzerland, COVID-19 pandemic in Liechtenstein Switzerland reports 3,105 new cases, the highest record number in a single day since the pandemic began, thus taking the total to 74,442 confirmed cases in Switzerland and Liechtenstein as the second wave of the pandemic grips the country. (Reuters) COVID-19 pandemic in Asia COVID-19 pandemic in Azerbaijan Azerbaijan announces that it will suspend secondary school classes and the use of Baku's metro system between October 19 and November 2 in an attempt to curb the spread of COVID-19. (National Post) COVID-19 pandemic in Israel, COVID-19 pandemic lockdowns The government agrees to ease a month-long second nationwide lockdown on October 18, after a significant decline in the number of new cases. On that day, people will be permitted to go more than one kilometer from their homes for non-essential purposes, nurseries will reopen, and restaurants will be able to serve takeaway food. (BBC) COVID-19 pandemic in Oceania Wallis and Futuna reports its first case of infection by SARS-CoV-2. The individual, who arrived on October 3, and later tested positive, is asymptomatic and in isolation in a hospital. The territory was the only French-administered region free of COVID-19 until today. (RNZ) International relations Nuclear arms race, Russia–United States relations President of Russia Vladimir Putin proposes to extend New START, the last major nuclear arms treaty standing between both Russia and the United States, "without any pre-conditions at least for one year to have an opportunity to conduct substantial negotiations". (PTI via Deccan Herald) Law and crime COVID-19 pandemic in Germany A Berlin court suspends an order to close bars and restaurants between 11 pm and 6 am local time in an attempt to tackle surging numbers of COVID-19 in the city as the court considers it disproportionate in the view of other measures taken to fight the pandemic. (TheJournal.ie) 2020 Thai protests Two activists in Thailand are arrested on charges of attempting violence against the Queen. Bunkueanun "Francis" Paothong and Ekachai Hongkangwan are set to be charged under Section 110 of Thailand's criminal code and could result in a possible life sentence. (CNN) 2020 Belarusian protests Belarus says that it was seeking the arrest of opposition leader Sviatlana Tsikhanouskaya for jeopardizing national security. Nikolai Karpenkov proceeded to threaten the use of firearms against protesters. (Reuters) Alleged Libyan financing in the 2007 French presidential election Former French President Nicolas Sarkozy is charged with conspiracy for accepting Libyan money during the 2007 election. (BBC) Face masks during the COVID-19 pandemic in the United States, COVID-19 pandemic in Kansas A 59-year-old man is arrested on suspicion of threatening to kidnap and kill Wichita Mayor Brandon Whipple over opposition to the city's mitigation measures against the COVID-19 pandemic. (AP) (The Wichita Eagle)

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(Posted) RD: Tom Maschler

Article: Tom Maschler (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Ktin (talk • give credit)

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Booker Prize Founder. Noted publisher. Article has not been updated and requires updates before being ready. Edits are done. Content expanded. Article is ready for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 06:40, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support. Looks good, although it would be nice to have more on the Booker Prize itself. —Brigade Piron (talk) 16:46, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

  Brigade Piron, Agree. The article needs to be fleshed out further. Will give it a good scrub around lunchtime. Edits are done. Article looks good. Ktin (talk) 19:52, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

  Big improvement! —Brigade Piron (talk) 14:47, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• Comment. Edits are done per above comments. Before [8]. Current [9]. Article looks good for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 20:18, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 20:21, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

  Wow! That was quick. Thanks Spencer! RIP Mr Maschler. Ktin (talk) 20:22, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

• Post-posting support well-sourced article. I made a few minor improvements mostly to the categorization and infobox. TJMSmith (talk) 23:09, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ed Benguiat

Article: Ed Benguiat (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Ktin (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: American Graphic Designer and Typographer. Article requires some work. Edits are done. Looks good to go to homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 01:35, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support Fine and interesting nom. Good work. Gotitbro (talk) 04:43, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment. Edits are done! Good to go to homepage / RD. If someone has a Friday night to kill, start here. RIP Mr. Benguiat. Ktin (talk) 05:25, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Well referenced, and it's nice to see something completely different. KittenKlub (talk) 09:58, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Posted  — Amakuru (talk) 14:32, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

RD: Ana Paula Scheffer

Article: Ana Paula Scheffer (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): UOL, Globo, Correio Braziliense (all sources in Portuguese)
Credits:

• Nominated by SirEdimon (talk • give credit)

Nominator's comments: Brazilian rhythmic gymnast. The article is very stub, but I'll work on it later. --SirEdimon ^Dimmi!!! 00:35, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Tragic young death and would like to see this on RD but the article is too short. Needs expansions and a few English sources about the death would be nice as well. Gotitbro (talk) 04:45, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Way too short; a sketch of her life with no details. Yoninah (talk) 21:28, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) Thai protests

Article: 2020 Thai protests (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Police use water cannon (pictured) to disperse youth-led protests in Bangkok, in the largest use of force in a conflict that has been ongoing since July. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​Thai authorities declare a state of emergency and begin a crackdown against youth-led protests for government reform (pictured) in Bangkok.
Alternative blurb II: ​Thai authorities declare a "severe" state of emergency and begin a crackdown against youth-led protests for government reform (pictured) in Bangkok.
News source(s): BBC, Reuters, Al Jazeera, AP
Credits:

• Nominated by Paul_012 (talk • give credit)
• Created by Chainwit. (talk • give credit)
• Updated by Horus (talk • give credit) and Johncdraper (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: This is probably a major turning point in what has so far been a peaceful but long-simmering conflict. Article in good shape; never been featured on ITN. Paul_012 (talk) 17:51, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support Seems fine enough, though this seems more fitting for ongoing. Also, maybe change the blurb for something like "protests escalate in thailand, leading officials to declare a state of emergency". Just a suggestion, the water cannon thing seems horrible, but a bit tame for itn standards. Gex4pls (talk) 19:06, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
  • The prevailing view seems to be that government declared the state of emergency in order to escalate use of force against the protesters, so that doesn't quite work, but maybe others will have better suggestions? --Paul_012 (talk) 20:39, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
  • I've modified the original blurb to say use of force instead of escalation, which should be clearer. ---Paul_012 (talk) 20:41, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
•  Comment: I suggest the protest should be identified as "unarmed" or "peaceful." And maybe include the fact that the disperse came only after two hour of protest. This will show how unusual the event is. --Horus (talk) 19:03, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Significant and in news but a better blurb is needed here. The significance stems from the protests not the use of water canons and explain what the protests are about in the blurb. Gotitbro (talk) 23:43, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
• The tone and POV of the current blurb needs adjustment. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 04:27, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Article needs a copyedit for grammar, the whole thing, it cannot be featured like this. The update is buried in "Severe State of emergency" and it looks like the main event was 4 days ago. Usual POV garbage like "received as a tyrannical death threat". --LaserLegs (talk) 10:04, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
  • It's paraphrased from the source. Feel free to correct that. --Horus (talk) 14:50, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Alt1 Article is in very good shape, a few minor wording changes here and there not withstanding, it is well referenced and generally well written. The blurb was a bit problematic, but the article looked good, so I updated it with a more neutrally worded blurb.--Jayron32 10:12, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support – Large-scale protests continue. (No blurb pref.) – Sca (talk) 14:29, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Alt2 the first blurb is just plain silly. Support altblurb 2, as that blurb is much more well written. Protests are large-scale and are worthy for ITN. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 14:40, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Explanation for alt2 The state of emergency was enforced in the country since March. To say it was declared a few days ago is factually incorrect. But feel free to edit "severe state of emergency" as it was only found in Thai law. --Horus (talk) 14:53, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support alt2 per Horus, but do not wikilink Thai per current standard. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 17:56, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support alt2 - per Horus, as it gives differentiation vs. existing state of emergency. Jr8825 • Talk 11:06, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Update: Thai govt. acts to suppress dissemination of information about the continuing protests. – Sca (talk) 13:22, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• Comment Needs to be added soon, it will become stale in two days. Gex4pls (talk) 14:16, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Posted ALT2. Spencer^T•C 15:21, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

October 15

Portal:Current events/2020 October 15

Current events of October 15, 2020 (2020-10-15) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh conflict Azerbaijan says three people have been killed and three others injured after a funeral procession in Tartar District was shelled by Armenian forces, while the Armenian prosecutor-general's office says two soldiers were killed in a drone strike in Vardenis; the soldiers were not involved in military action. (Middle East Monitor) Business and economy Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on tourism, COVID-19 pandemic in Hawaii Hawaii is expected to reopen tourism to the public and lift the statewide mandatory quarantine for travellers who test negative. However, visitors will be required to wear masks and go through temperature screenings. (CNN) (TravelPulse.com) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in the United Kingdom COVID-19 pandemic in England, COVID-19 tier regulations in England Health Secretary Matt Hancock announces that London, Essex, York, and other areas will be put under tier 2 restrictions on October 17, which means that different households will be banned from mixing indoors, including inside homes, pubs, and restaurants, and people will also be told to avoid public transport and non-essential travel. (BBC) (ABC Australia) COVID-19 pandemic in Croatia Croatia reports 793 new cases in the past 24 hours, a new record for the second day in a row. (Total Croatia News) COVID-19 pandemic in Cyprus Cyprus reports a record of 104 cases in the past 24 hours, surpassing 100 for the first time since the beginning of the pandemic. (Cyprus-Mail) COVID-19 pandemic in the Czech Republic The Czech Republic reports a record 9,544 new cases in the last 24 hours, its highest single day tally since the pandemic began, according to data from the Health Ministry. (Arab News) COVID-19 pandemic in France France reports a record 30,621 new infections in a single day as the cumulative number of cases surpasses 800,000. (The Hill) COVID-19 pandemic in Germany The number of new cases in Germany surges by 6,638 in the last 24 hours, according to official data from the Robert Koch Institute, a new record not seen since the pandemic began, which previously reported 6,294 cases on March 28. (RFI) COVID-19 pandemic in Greece The Greek government places the northern regional unit of Kozani on lockdown, as the region is declared an "increased threat." The measure, applicable until October 29, implies the use of masks at all sites; the prohibition of meetings in public and private spaces; the ban to travel outside the region; and the closure of restaurants, gyms, museums, courts, and shops, and the suspension of festivals. (Ekathimerini) COVID-19 pandemic in Italy Italy registers 8,804 new infections in the past 24 hours, according to the health ministry, a new record for the second consecutive day since the start of the outbreak in the country. (Daily Sabah) Campania announces that it will shut down schools until the end of this month, in an effort to curb an increase of COVID-19 cases in the region. (Reuters) COVID-19 pandemic in Poland After new cases reaches a record 8,099 cases in a single day, Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki announces new restrictions in Warsaw and other major cities that considered a "red" zone from October 17. All secondary schools in those areas will be closed, restaurants will close at 9 pm local time, weddings will be banned and there will be stricter limits on the numbers of people allowed in shops and on public transport and at religious services. (Daily Sabah) COVID-19 pandemic in Portugal Portugal reports 2,101 new daily cases, its highest daily increase yet, bringing the cumulative count to 93,294 confirmed cases. (DGS) COVID-19 pandemic in Slovenia Slovenia reports an all-time high of 745 cases in the past day. Cumulative numbers pass 10,000 cases. (RTVSLO) COVID-19 pandemic in Asia COVID-19 pandemic in India Cinema halls, theatres and multiplexes, entertainment parks, educational institution and swimming pools outside containment zones reopened in several states across India as part of measures allowing more activities in the country. (Firstpost) COVID-19 pandemic in Indonesia Indonesia reports a single day record of 5,810 new recoveries in the past 24 hours, taking the nationwide total of recoveries to 273,661. From that number, 2,223 new recoveries came from Central Java. (detikNews) COVID-19 pandemic in Malaysia Malaysia reports 409 new recoveries in the last 24 hours. This is the highest number in a single day since the outbreak began, bringing the total number of recoveries to 12,014. according to Director-General of Health Noor Hisham Abdullah. (New Straits Times) International relations Netherlands–Russia relations The Dutch government urges Russia to return to negotiation tables after the country withdrew from talks on liability for the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17. (Reuters) Law and crime COVID-19 pandemic in France The French police have raided the homes of senior government and health officials such as Health Minister Olivier Véran and the director of the national health agency, Jérôme Salomon, as part of an investigation into their handling of the pandemic in the country. It comes after a court launched an inquiry earlier this year. Prime Minister Jean Castex is also under investigation, according to French media. (BBC) Hong Kong national security law Police raid the offices of prominent pro-democracy activist Jimmy Lai ahead of his scheduled appearance in court where he has been charged with 'unlawful assembly'. Lai is the owner of the publishing company Next Digital and newspaper Apple Daily. (DW) Capital punishment in Bangladesh A court in Bangladesh sentences five men to death for the gang rape of a girl in 2012. The verdict comes amidst public outcry regarding growing sexual violence. It was the first conviction since the government this week introduced the death penalty for rape. (Al Jazeera) Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot Police announce the arrest of a fourteenth suspect in relation to a foiled kidnapping plot targeting Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer. He has been charged at the state level with material support of an act of terrorism. (Detroit Free Press) End SARS Over ten people are killed during a demonstration against the police force of Nigeria. (ABC News) Mexican Drug War Gen. Salvador Cienfuegos, Mexico's minister of defence during the Peña Nieto administration, is arrested in the United States on drugs charges. (BBC News) Politics and elections Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory, Conspiracy theories related to the Trump–Ukraine scandal Twitter locks President Donald Trump's presidential campaign Twitter account for sharing private information without that person's permission, relating to a controversial Hunter Biden video. His account has since been unlocked. (Fox News) 2020 Kyrgyzstan protests President Sooronbay Jeenbekov resigns following ten days of unrest and protests in response to the parliamentary election. (Reuters) 2020 Thai protests The government issues an emergency decree following yesterday's generally peaceful protests and counter-protests, effective Thursday at 4:00 a.m. local time (Wednesday 21:00 UTC) that bans gatherings of five or more people and forbids the publication of news or online messages that "could harm national security." Two leaders of the anti-government protests, Anon Nampa and Panupong Jadnok, are arrested after the emergency decree became effective. (BBC) Immigrant investor programs President of the Parliament of Cyprus Demetris Syllouris resigns after being allegedly implicated in a case of sale of passports to investors with criminal records, who do not meet the necessary criteria to be able to move freely within the European Union. (Cyprus-Mail) Science and technology 2020 in paleontology Researchers announce the fossil discoveries of Triassic drepanosaur Skybalonyx skapter at the Petrified Forest National Park in Arizona. (Los Angeles Times) A boy discovers a fossilized hadrosaur skeleton at the Horseshoe Canyon in Alberta, Canada, dating back 69 million years. (BBC) (Global News)

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(Closed) RD: Antonio Ángel Algora Hernando

Article: Antonio Ángel Algora Hernando (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (ABC.es)
Credits:

• Nominated by Alsoriano97 (talk • give credit)

Nominator's comments: Emeritus Bishop of Ciudad Real and Prior of the Military Orders, and of Teruel and Albarracín. COVID-19 related death. Article needs a lot of work. Alsoriano97 (talk) 07:56, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

• Comment. Article is currently a stub (with exactly two sentences). Has to be expanded to at-least a start class article before it can be ready for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 14:47, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Still a stub. Yoninah (talk) 21:29, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment stale. Still a stub. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 00:21, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

(Removed) Ongoing removal: Belarusian protests

Article: 2020 Belarusian protests (talk, history)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: I know it might be a bit annoying to discuss this every week but we can't keep this on the main page forever or until Lukashenko resigns when that news would get a blurb on its own. The protests have evidently lost momentum more than a month ago. This week's updates are about marches of certain demographic groups (e.g. LGBT people, seniors, mothers, handicapped people), detainment of the co-owner of a flower shop, trapping of a miner underground and announcement of an ultimatum with demands re-iterated zillion times before. Moreover, the content almost completely cites Russian-language sources amidst the lack of regular front-page coverage in the English-language media, which strongly indicates that the general notability of the protests has been brought down to local significance. Having all that said, I think it's time to remove this and keep free room for other developing stories such as the Nigerian protests. --Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 06:59, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support UNDUE tag, multiple sourcing issues noted in the infobox, far too granular coverage for an encyclopedia, antagonistic edit history. I wouldn't send it to AfD, but neither would I want to keep it on the Main Page.130.233.2.170 (talk) 08:03, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support removal Hardly any media attention, and a 100 women on Wednesday and a handicapped rally yesterday can hardly be qualified as massive protest. KittenKlub (talk) 11:30, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support about time. The level of the protests has died down, and a few minor protests do not count as a major protest. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 12:07, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Protests are still ongoing, and should stay per the rationale from previous weeks. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 12:29, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per Orbitalbuzzsaw. We won't remove the protest on mainpage until they remove Lukashenko. They are stil going currently --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ^(marhata) 12:40, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
  • That's not how ongoing works. Howard the Duck (talk) 13:07, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
    • That's not how ongoing works. They might not even remove Lukashenko, and if they do, it'll take months. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 13:25, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
      • @Howard the Duck and Destroyeraa: Hey, you're right.
• Slight Support Protests have entered a bit of a stalemate, and news coverage has certainly died down (save for talk of the stalemate and Apple Censorship) though i say give it a few days and we'll see what happens. Gex4pls (talk) 13:20, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support removal - per nom, who makes a strong case. I did a web search on my own and I'm not seeing any substantial news coverage of major new protests. Time to remove this from Ongoing. Jusdafax (talk) 13:37, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support removal. Not really in the news any more.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:40, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
• Weak support – Scant coverage lately, but given the country's politiscape this topic could return anytime. – Sca (talk) 13:56, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support. The protests have been on the main page longer than even the George Floyd protests. The protests have really died down and I don’t see Lukashenko leaving office anytime soon. This has already been nominated twice for deletion, and I think that it’s time has passed. The Image Editor (talk) 14:47, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support removal the "protests" became a Sunday afternoon outing months ago, long past time to come down --LaserLegs (talk) 14:55, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Unless this sees a sudden resurgence, it is not ongoing/in the news. The Thai protests are but no one seems to have nominated that. Gotitbro (talk) 15:43, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
• Removed from Ongoing. Spencer^T•C 15:44, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
• Post-removal oppose per the re-escalation of the protests on 18 October.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 04:20, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) RD: Nguyễn Văn Man

Article: Nguyễn Văn Man (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): VNexpress (in Vietnamese) VNExpress International (In English)
Credits:

• Nominated by Destroyeraa (talk • give credit)

Nominator's comments: Major General of People's Army of Vietnam and a politician. Article is a bit short but should be RD passable. Killed by Tropical Storm Linfa. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 18:10, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Stub, too short for RD. And are there any English-language sources for his death. Gotitbro (talk) 18:45, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

  @Gotitbro: Expanded to include his military career. Not well-known in English-speaking countries. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 20:26, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

  I believe there are English language Vietnamese newspapers/sources as well? Which should uave covered this. Gotitbro (talk) 21:33, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

  @Gotitbro: Updated with English sources. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 23:47, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support seems ok enough, though I'd rather his military career info be moved from the intro to the career section, but thats not too big of a problem. Gex4pls (talk) 13:35, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment. Can someone knowledgeable about the topic take a pass at a round of thorough copy-edits on this article? Ktin (talk) 14:49, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
  • @Ktin: Went through and copyedited. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 23:24, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
  • @Spencer: I think this is ready to be posted. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 01:38, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
• Stale Stephen 02:01, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) RD: Jole Santelli

Stale. Spencer^T•C 03:08, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

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Article: Jole Santelli (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (La Repubblica)
Credits:

• Nominated by Alsoriano97 (talk • give credit)

Nominator's comments: Italian politician, first female and incumbent president of Calabria. Shocking death in Italy's politics. Alsoriano97 (talk) 16:58, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Somewhat short for RD, can be expanded from itwiki. English-language sources about her death would be good as well. Gotitbro (talk) 18:50, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment. Agree with the above comment. In addition, this needs to be expanded to meet the 'Spencer Test'. What did the subject do as a politician? Any major policies advanced? i.e. over and above just a listing of positions. Ktin (talk) 14:52, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per Gotitbro. Article is still a resume-like list of her posts, and also has an outstanding citation-needed tag. Yoninah (talk) 21:31, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Bhanu Athaiya

Article: Bhanu Athaiya (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

• Nominated by Masem (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: First Indian Oscar winner (costumes for Ghandi). Filmography needs sourcing but that's it. Masem (t) 15:48, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

• Comment Would support when filmography is sourced, otherwise mostly fine. Gotitbro (talk) 16:22, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

  Gotitbro, Source has been updated. Seems like all the movies are covered by that reference. If you spot any missing -- feel free to add the tag. But, on a cursory glance -- seems sourced. Ktin (talk) 02:04, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

  Support, looks fine now. Gotitbro (talk) 03:10, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support looks well written and well sourced. Gex4pls (talk) 13:54, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support. Looks good and ready for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 19:50, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Looks good to go JW 1961 Talk 20:15, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
• @Spencer, Stephen, Amakuru, Black Kite, and MSGJ: Pardon the intrusion. This is ready to be posted to homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 06:24, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose for now - the list of people she's worked with in the lead section isn't cited. I suppose if we click through all the films we might find those names, but better to have it explicit.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:08, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

  Amakuru, thanks for that tag. This is done. I also took this chance to make a small expansion on the lede. This should be good now. Ktin (talk) 13:28, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

• Posted. With thanks to Ktin for resolving the issues.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:11, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) President of Kyrgyzstan resigns

Articles: Sooronbay Jeenbekov (talk, history) and 2020 Kyrgyzstan protests (talk, history)
Blurb: ​President of Kyrgyzstan Sooronbay Jeenbekov (pictured) resigns amidst electoral protests, Prime Minister Sadyr Zhaparov declares himself acting president. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​Sadyr Japarov, a Kyrgyz nationalist, takes over as president of Kyrgyzstan following the resignation of President Sooronbay Jeenbekov.
News source(s): Reuters, AP, Guardian, Reuters update
Credits:

• Nominated by Brandmeister (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Currently one-sentence update. The protests item is then swapped from ongoing. Brandmeister^talk 09:14, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

• This would be ITNR once we know who the successor will be. Maybe it should be anyway since someone has to take over. 331dot (talk) 09:18, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

According to the basic law, the speaker is acting prez. Protests are still going on today calling for dissolution of parliament and his resignation though.195.250.80.226 (talk) 11:44, 15 October 2020 (UTC) Perhaps post it "amidst protests" with the protest link below.195.250.80.226 (talk) 11:46, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

• Strong Support per ITNR. The blurb can amended if successor is confirmed. 36.68.193.87 (talk) 10:31, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support ITNR This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 11:37, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
• Wait per 331dot. Tensa Februari (talk) 11:41, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support in principle. The update consists of only one sentence and, given the detailed information in the preceding two paragraphs, it will benefit from adding one or two more.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:16, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support But maybe include his successor in the blurb, when the details come out. Gex4pls (talk) 12:36, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

• We probably won't know the name of his successor until a presidential election takes place and the name of the acting president is not really newsworthy.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:13, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

In that case it is noteworthy enough on it's own i guess. Gex4pls (talk) 15:37, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

• Wait – for a bit more info in the update. Thin. – Sca (talk) 13:34, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support in principle (ITNR) but wait until a little more information is available and added to the relevant articles before posting.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 16:39, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose the president is a powerless figure head his resignation is meaningless. The Prime Minister of Kyrgyzstan has the authority and whose recent replacement is what we should have blurbed if not for the baffling rules around "Head of State" here --LaserLegs (talk) 17:02, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

• This is not an accurate description of how the government of Kyrgyzstan works. They did place more power into the parliament in 2010, but the President is still above the Prime Minister, just not by as much as he was before the 2010 constitutional referendum. It's totally inaccurate to say that he's a powerless figure. He has most of the same authorities as the US president: he the final say over if legislation gets signed into law, he has the commander in chief power, he controls foreign policy, etc. He even appoints the Prime Minister.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 17:18, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

• Queen Elizabeth II has all those same powers, yet everyone acknowledges she's a figurehead in the UK, with the PM having the real power. What's the difference? Of course, there's no doubt that if the Queen were to abdicate it would get posted, but that is because of constitutional monarchy being a rule for life situation. Kingsif (talk) 18:22, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

• There's quite a large difference: the Queen has de jure but not de facto power, the president has de jure and de facto power. It's widely accepted that the Queen is a seemingly apolitical symbolic figurehead who would never de facto exercise her de jure powers. This is not true of the President of Kyrgyzstan, who is directly elected every six years and actually seeks to fulfill their campaign promises and move the country in a certain direction according to their political party's ideology.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 18:59, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

• It doesn't matter anyway, the old PM quit too! Gex4pls (talk) 00:29, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

If the Queen abdicated, that would be news This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 01:29, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support While I would gravitate towards LaserLegs if it was a death or change of head of state but the fact that he resigned due to election protests is significant. Gotitbro (talk) 18:42, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

  The PM has resigned now, a troika of events events along with the protests (thanks Gex4pls), this is the perfect nom. Gotitbro (talk) 03:12, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support, but have it be combined with the protests as a double-bold blurb. Move the protest article out of ongoing for now - both are sufficient for MP. Kingsif (talk) 00:05, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
  • The current PM has now declared himself acting president, so I've updated the blurb. Brandmeister^talk 07:29, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment This is a very fluid situation, which will probably require the blurb to be changed regularly. It has already been changed (twice?) since the nomination was made. I think Ongoing is still the right place for this, but if we encounter the ITNR situation then it should go up immediately.130.233.2.170 (talk) 08:06, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

  It is rare for items to go straight to Ongoing, something you seem to have proposed twice recently. Usually if it's significant enough to merit Ongoing, then we'd blurb it first and then move it into the Ongoing section once it rolls off the main page.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:43, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support blurb – Now that an interim PM, Sadyr Japarov, has grasped the reins. Prefer Alt1.– Sca (talk) 14:02, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
• Posted. Spencer^T•C 15:47, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment It's Sadyr Japarov. Change the spelling. Other than that, post-posting support. 1779Days (talk) 02:23, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Akkitham

Article: Akkitham Achuthan Namboothiri (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Week, Indian Express
Credits:

• Nominated by Ktin (talk • give credit)
• Updated by Tachs (talk • give credit) and Salih (talk • give credit) and Ktin (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Indian poet and author. Padma Shri and Jnanpith Award winner. Article can do with a round of copy edits, but, should ready soon, if not already. Copy edits done. Article is good to go to homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 02:08, 16 October 2020 (UTC) Ktin (talk) 08:19, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support Looks good would like to see more about his literary work in the lead than just a list of awards though. Gotitbro (talk) 16:14, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

  Gotitbro, Lede has been updated. Looks good now. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 01:40, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

• Comment. Please can I request an additional pair of eyes on this one? Else, I think this is ready to go. Ktin (talk) 14:32, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
• Conditional support. Everything is there, but the article needs a clean-up. I'd suggest: (i) the authography needs to be weeded out to include significant works only and (ii) the italic formatting on the quotations should be removed. In addition, if he really was referred to simply as "Akkitham" the article should probably be moved. —Brigade Piron (talk) 16:08, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

  Thanks Brigade Piron. I see that Spencer fixed the italics formatting. Regarding bibliography, I would suggest that we leave all of it there, since they are all well cited, and any attempts to trim that down would be subjective. Re: Akkitham vs Akkitham Achuthan Namboothri, I was the one who suggested trimming this to Akkhitham if that creates whitespace on the ITNRD carousel (if that opens up space for an additional RD). Looking at the coverage, it does appear that a significant amount of coverage is for his full name i.e. Akkitham Achuthan Namboothiri. Cheers. Ktin (talk) 16:30, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Spencer, Stephen, Amakuru, Black Kite, and MSGJ: Pardon the intrusion. This is ready to be posted to homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 06:25, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
• Posted. I do share Brigade Piron's concern about the length of the bibliography - having all those entries doesn't really help the reader understand the subject. But it's good enough for ITN I'd say, so posted.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:06, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

October 14

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(Washington Post) Politics and elections Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory, Conspiracy theories related to the Trump–Ukraine scandal The New York Post reports that newly uncovered emails suggest Hunter Biden introduced his father, then-Vice President Joe Biden, to a top executive at Ukrainian natural gas firm Burisma Holdings. The Post obtained the alleged emails from top Donald Trump adviser Rudy Giuliani. (Fox News) (NY Post) (NY Magazine) Twitter and Facebook announce they are limiting the distribution of the article until it is fact-checked. (CNET) (RealClearPolitics) Science and technology Misinformation related to the COVID-19 pandemic YouTube announces that it will ban misinformation about COVID-19 vaccines as an effort to expand its policy surrounding misinformation about COVID-19. (The Hill) Sports Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on sports 2020 NFL season The National Football League announces that the upcoming Pro Bowl will be cancelled, the first time since 1949. However, the league announced that it would still name teams at the end of the season in the usual format through votes by fans, players, and coaches. (ESPN) (USA Today) Alabama Crimson Tide football coach Nick Saban and athletic director Greg Byrne both test positive for COVID-19. (ESPN)

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(Closed) RD: Rhonda Fleming

Article: Rhonda Fleming (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by SirEdimon (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: American actress.The article has some issues. I believe the article is good enough now. No refs missing. —--SirEdimon ^Dimmi!!! 00:48, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support. Gave a quick look. Seems well referenced and clean. Looks good to go to homepage / RD. However, SirEdimon, we might have a problem in that the ITNRD carousel has already moved on to October 15, and soon will be on 16. Ktin (talk) 03:51, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Ktin Her death was announced only on Oct. 17. So, I don't know exactly how it works.--SirEdimon ^Dimmi!!! 03:55, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

    Tagging Stephen to help check and for appropriate actions. Ktin (talk) 04:34, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support as article is in decent shape, but the possibility of this being stale could nullify my support. Gex4pls (talk) 14:45, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment sadly, stale. Two places still need citations. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 14:50, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
• Stale Stephen 22:38, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Fred Dean

Article: Fred Dean (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The San Diego Union-Tribune, San Francisco Chronicle
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bagumba (talk • give credit)
• Updated by KittenKlub (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Member of Pro Football Hall of Fame, won two Super Bowls with the San Francisco 49ers —Bagumba (talk) 11:19, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Support The article is big enough and well referenced. It's a shame that the only picture is his shirt without the player inside, but images are often hard to get. KittenKlub (talk) 11:26, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 16:14, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: John Reid

Article: John Richard Reid (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu; The Guardian
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Ktin (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: New Zealand cricketer; former captain, all-rounder, and a match-referee in his later avatar. Article is a start-class/C-class biography. Well referenced and cited. Expanded the article. Meets hygiene standards for homepage / RD in its current state, and is good to go once folks weigh in. RIP. Ktin (talk) 03:59, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support Yes everything seems sourced and ok for RD JW 1961 Talk 11:46, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support All sourcing in place, no close paraphrasing seen. Yoninah (talk) 11:57, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
• Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:43, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Herbert Kretzmer

Article: Herbert Kretzmer (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News; The New York Times; The Guardian
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk • give credit)

Article updated

 Bloom6132 (talk) 18:10, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support, looks good to me, just please move (or copy) the Aznavour ref to the body, to not make that one decisive bit look unsourced ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:14, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
• Weak support - Everything has been taken care of now. A good article that is ready to be posted. Good job Bloom6132. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 18:22, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Gerda Arendt and Destroyeraa: Thanks for spotting that! In this edit that I tagged as "minor", I somehow removed the refs for that paragraph. They've now been restored. —Bloom6132 (talk) 18:35, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support looks good to go JW 1961 Talk 19:42, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Looks good. Gotitbro (talk) 22:09, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 22:26, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) Blurb/Ongoing: End SARS protests

Article: End SARS (talk, history)
Blurb: ​At least 10 people have been killed during protests to end the Special Anti-Robbery Squad in Nigeria. (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Destroyeraa (talk • give credit)
• Created by Kabusa16 (talk • give credit)
• Updated by AfricanLibrarian (talk • give credit)

Nominator's comments: 10 people have died, and this has gained international attention. Nigeria dissolved SARS but replaced it with SWAT, which angered more people and caused more protests. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 15:32, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support for Blurb Interesting and definitely ITN worthy. Don't have time to look over the article but if that's all good I support This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 21:47, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment The section heading and article title made me think this was about COVID :/. Not sure about the nom but 10 people getting killed does lend credence to the significance of the protests though the article lead is singularly focused on the online/social media aspect of it, that needs some work. Some references above in the media about the protests/killings would be nice as well. Gotitbro (talk) 22:06, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

  The article (including the lead) also makes it seem that the social media campaign only emerged this October while it has been going for some time as far back as 2018. Gotitbro (talk) 22:18, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

  I recommend changing the name to "Nigerian Protests" and you could detail about what is being protested in the blurb. Gex4pls (talk) 23:46, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

• Comment – Unsee on major RS sites (except maybe Al Jazeera). Please keep in mind WP:NOR. – Sca (talk) 22:25, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
  • The article has 100 sources, of which majority must be reliable. What WP:NOR are you smoking? Howard the Duck (talk) 23:03, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

"Must" – ?? — Sca (talk) 13:44, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support for Blurb Seen a few articles, though less in US probably because of the elections. Its definitely important.Albertaont (talk) 22:56, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Blurb not crazy about the proseline, but significance is certainly there. Although I understand the potential for confusion, we should stick with End SARS. GreatCaesarsGhost 00:35, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

  Not a problem if a blurb is posted but definitely confusing if directly linking in Ongoing. Gotitbro (talk) 03:38, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb – This 3,500-word list of protests in Nigeria seems essentially parochial in import, lacking wider significance. – Sca (talk) 13:44, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

The Hong Kong protests were "parochial in import, lacking wider significance", and we posted those This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 15:43, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Sca knows the rules, he just doesn't care. This constant refrain of his has long since become disruptive. GreatCaesarsGhost 15:56, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

AGF, NPA! – Sca (talk) 18:12, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

That's enough all of you. Let's be civil, comment on the article not the user, and not shout. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 18:19, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Explain how "parochial in import" is not opposing "an item because the event is only relating to a single country." GreatCaesarsGhost 20:54, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

I believe that sca was trying to point out the large number of protests currently ITN, which is certainly odd, but not a reason for disqualification, especially with the recent deaths. Gex4pls (talk) 00:23, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support blurb. This certainly is ITN-worthy. The article could benefit from being transformed into better prose but is quite well sourced. —Brigade Piron (talk) 17:04, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
• Posted. I haven't seen a reliable source for the number of deaths so haven't included this in the blurb yet — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:03, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
• Straight to Ongoing I have been looking over this nomination and related news for a couple of days. The blurb as written doesn't convey the situation well, and I can't think of a better one that would. Briefly, the blurb implies that SARS is waiting to be disbanded (it already is), that the protests are about SARS (rather than police brutality or socio-economic reason, per the protestors during the last days), and that "protests" are alone are notable (they are not; the deaths were the motivating factor for nom and posting). The blurb as written is misleading, but a simple link to the broader description of events would fix that.130.233.2.170 (talk) 08:16, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Agree with IP-user's preceding post – more appropriate to Ongoing. Not spot news, overall. – Sca (talk) 14:21, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

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