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Kyle Busch In stock car racing, the NASCAR Cup Series concludes, with Kyle Busch (pictured) winning the drivers' championship. Cyclone Bulbul hits the Indian and Bangladeshi coasts of the Bay of Bengal, killing at least 24 people. After weeks of protests over electoral fraud, Bolivian president Evo Morales and other high-ranking politicians are forced to resign, and opposition senator Jeanine Áñez becomes interim president. The Supreme Court of India delivers a unanimous verdict in favour of the construction of a Hindu temple at a disputed holy site in Ayodhya. Ongoing: Hong Kong protests Trump impeachment inquiry Recent deaths: John Campbell Brown Terry O'Neill Vashishtha Narayan Singh Gordie Gosse Tom Spurgeon Kieran Modra view - page history - related changes - edit

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November 21

Portal:Current events/2019 November 21
Current events of November 21, 2019 (2019-11-21) (Thursday)

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November 20

Portal:Current events/2019 November 20

Current events of November 20, 2019 (2019-11-20) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks War in Afghanistan The U.S. military says two American service members have been killed in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan. (USA Today) Syria missile strikes (November 2019) The Israeli military launches airstrikes on dozens of Quds Forces targets in Damascus and surrounding towns in response to a missile intercepted the previous day over the Golan Heights. The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights reports 23 are killed, including several Iranian fighters. (Associated Press) 2019 Bolivian protests The death toll in the protests rises to 30. (Reuters) 2019 Iranian fuel protests According to the human rights organization Amnesty International, casualties are estimated to be around 106 protestors and rising. (Radiofarda) Yemeni Civil War (2015–present) Houthi militants release the South Korean ship they captured two days prior. (Al Jazeera) Militants targeted civilians in the DR Congo near the border with Uganda, killing 19 and kidnapping others. Churches were also burned down in two separate attacks. It is believed that the Allied Democratic Forces is behind the attacks. (Reuters) Arts and culture British royal family Over allegations and accusations of sexual misconduct, Prince Andrew, Duke of York, halts public duties saying his "ill-judged" association with American convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein had caused major disruption to the royal family’s work. (Reuters) Business and economy 2019 Japan–South Korea trade dispute South Korea's finance minister Hong Nam-ki pressed Japan to take steps to lift its export restrictions. (Yonhap) 2019 Hong Kong protests Joshua Wong calls on HSBC to re-open an account used to support the pro-democracy movement in the city. (The Telegraph) International relations Iran–Saudi Arabia relations King Salman of Saudi Arabia blames Iran for the "chaos and destruction" their multiple missiles and drone attacks have caused in the country, and reiterates that his country will not hesitate to defend itself. (Reuters) Law and crime Tongan authorities contact their New Zealand counterparts to warn them of death threats against Tongan Prime Minister Pohiva Tuʻiʻonetoa on social media. (RNZ) Ali al-Haj, secretary of the Islamist Popular Congress Party, is arrested after Sudanese authorities summon him for questioning over his role in the coup d’état that put former President Omar al-Bashir in power. (Reuters) Politics and elections 2019 referendum on the creation of a Sidama region The Sidama people of Ethiopia go to the polls for a referendum on further autonomy for the Sidama Zone. If autonomy is approved, then local taxes, education, security and laws will be decided by the Sidama instead of the government of Ethiopia. (Reuters) Next Israeli legislative election Blue and White Alliance leader Benny Gantz's mandate to form a new government expires. As both he and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu failed to form one, Israel will likely face a third election in two years. (Al Jazeera)

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November 19

Portal:Current events/2019 November 19

Current events of November 19, 2019 (2019-11-19) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks War in Afghanistan, Afghan peace process In Zabul Province, the Taliban releases two foreign hostages, American professor Kevin King and Australian professor Timothy Weeks, who had been held captive since being kidnapped outside the American University of Afghanistan in 2016. Three high-ranking Taliban militants are released in exchange for the hostages. (BBC) Afghan President Ashraf Ghani claims victory over ISIL, citing the surrender of over 600 of their fighters in the past weeks as an example that the group has given up. (Reuters) Libyan Civil War (2014–present) Libyan National Army (LNA) warplanes carry out airstrikes on the port city of Misrata. The LNA say they were targeting munitions and armored vehicles that had been delivered from Turkey. (Reuters) 2019 Iranian fuel protests Rioters armed with knives kill three members of Iran's security forces, bringing the death toll up to 11. (Al Jazeera) Amnesty International reports that 106 protesters have been killed during the protest. Some reports indicate a much higher death toll. (BBC) (National Post) 2019 Hong Kong protests After the attack on pro-democracy activist Jimmy Sham the month prior, another pro-democracy activist, Albert Ho, is attacked by masked men at a minibus stop. (South China Morning Post) 2019 Bolivian protests At least three people are killed and 22 injured after Bolivian police and military forces use armored vehicles and helicopters to unblock access to a major fuel plant that had been blockaded by supporters of former president Evo Morales. (The Guardian) Bolivia's congress, controlled by lawmakers from Morales' Movement for Socialism (MAS) party, said it would cancel a contentious vote in the legislature that had been expected to reject Morales' resignation. (Reuters) Business and economy 2019 Japan–South Korea trade dispute Officials from Japan and South Korea hold their second round of trade talks as part of the World Trade Organization's dispute settlement process. (NHK World) Japan and South Korea have failed to narrow their differences over Japan's export controls in the second round of bilateral talks. (NHK World) (MBC News) Amid continuing fallout over sexual misconduct allegations against Prince Andrew, Duke of York, and controversy over his close friendship with convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, several businesses—including British banking group Standard Chartered, KPMG, Aon and drug giant AstraZeneca—cut ties with the Prince. Pitch@Palace, an initiative founded by Prince Andrew to support entrepreneurs, removes its entire web page listing its supporters. (Yahoo!) (CNN) Health and environment Fifteen children are confirmed (and three more suspected) dead from measles in Samoa as the illness epidemic continues within the country. (RNZ) International Relations Hong Kong–United States relations, China–United States relations, 2019 Hong Kong protests The U.S. Senate unanimously passes the Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act, which mandates that the State Department at least annually checks to see if Hong Kong retains enough autonomy to retain its special trade status with the United States. The Senate also unanimously passes another bill banning the sale of certain crowd-control munitions to the Hong Kong police. The former's passage is condemned by China. (Reuters) Law and crime Assange v Swedish Prosecution Authority A Swedish prosecutor says she will drop charges of rape against Julian Assange after a review of the evidence. (Reuters) Death of Jeffrey Epstein Two prison guards who worked at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in New York City are arrested in connection with the death of American financier and convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. The guards are accused of falsifying the records of their watch the night Epstein was found dead. (The Washington Examiner) (New York Post) The Northern Mariana Islands House of Representatives calls for the impeachment of Governor Ralph Torres amid an ongoing Federal Bureau of Investigation investigation into his businesses. (RNZ) Crime in Germany Son of former German president Richard von Weizsäcker, a physician, is stabbed to death during a lecture. The attacker is reported as 57 years old. (Deutsche Welle) (The Berlin Spectator) Operation Car Wash A Rio de Janeiro judge issues an arrest warrant against former President of Paraguay Horacio Cartes, accusing him of operating a money laundering scheme with a friend, Dario Messer, who is prosecuted as part of Operation Car Wash. (EFE) (Clarín) (Infobae) Politics and elections Shinzō Abe becomes the longest-serving Prime Minister of Japan. (The Straits Times) 2019 Chilean protests An impeachment inquiry is launched against Chilean President Sebastián Piñera due to his alleged role in the violation of human rights in the ongoing protests. (La Tercera)

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November 18

Portal:Current events/2019 November 18

Current events of November 18, 2019 (2019-11-18) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2019 Hong Kong protests Police seal off and trap hundreds of students and protesters inside Hong Kong Polytechnic University amid fears of a crackdown. After a police officer is injured, security forces threaten to fire live bullets if protesters do not give up lethal weapons. (Reuters) Protesters manage to escape from the university by shimmying down plastic hosing from a bridge and fleeing on waiting motorbikes as the police fire projectiles. (Reuters) Libyan Civil War (2014–present) An airstrike on a biscuit shop kills five Bangladeshi nationals and two Libyans and wounds 33 others in Tripoli, Libya. A U.N. envoy to Libya claims that it could be a war crime. (Seattle Time) Yemeni Civil War (2015–present) A South Korean oil drilling rig is seized by Houthi rebels. It is unknown how many sailors were on board. (Al Jazeera) (The Guardian) 2019 Iranian fuel protests A Revolutionary Guard commander vows decisive action to restore calm to Iran. (Newsweek) The death toll in the protests rises to 12, but reports vary. (BBC) Northern Mali conflict Militants kill 24 soldiers and wound 29 others on an army patrol in northern Mali. Seventeen militants were also killed in the melee. 6 injured soldiers later die increasing the death toll to 30.(Reuters) (New York Times) Business and economy Japan opens its first military arms show, as it tries to improve its military technology to combat external threats from China and North Korea. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents Fukushima nuclear disaster The Japanese government authorizes a release of contaminated water from the plant into the Pacific Ocean. Officials say that the release represents a "significantly small" risk to human health. (Kyodo News English) International relations Russia–Ukraine relations, Ukrainian crisis Russia returns three Ukrainian Navy vessels it seized during an incident in the Kerch Strait last year. (Deutche Welle) (Reuters) Israel–United States relations, Israeli occupation of the West Bank The Trump administration announces that the United States no longer considers Israeli settlement of the West Bank as illegal per se under international law. The announcement is praised by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and condemned by the European Union, the Palestinian National Authority, and Jordanian Foreign Affairs Minister Ayman Safadi. (The Guardian) Law and crime 2019 Hong Kong protests The Hong Kong High Court rules that the government's mask ban violates the Basic Law. (South China Morning Post) LGBT rights in Saudi Arabia Two Saudi journalists, one of whom worked for CNN and the BBC, are outed as gay, which prompts them to flee and seek asylum in Australia. (Reuters) 2019 Bolivian protests Interim interior minister Arturo Murillo threatens to arrest MAS legislators, who refuse to recognize Jeanine Áñez's legitimacy, for "subversion". (The Globe Post) Politics and elections Marshall Islands general election Citizens cast their votes for the 33 members of the country's legislature. (Reuters) 2019 Bolivian protests Thousands of Bolivian coca farmers came out in protest in favour of Evo Morales and called for the resignation of Añez as Acting President. (Reuters)

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(Posted) RD: Terry O'Neill

Article: Terry O'Neill (photographer) (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): The Guardian, Sky News

• Nominated by Martinevans123 (talk • give credit)
• Updated by Lopifalko (talk • give credit)

Article updated
Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Swinging 60s British photographer. May be some sourcing required. but not a very long article. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:11, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

• Weak oppose the ref for the books fails verification for me, but the rest is okay. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 19:21, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

• So are ISBNs sufficient on their own? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:27, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

• Most certainly. I didn't see those when I looked. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 20:28, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

• Can't believe you've missed that cn tag. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:30, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

• Um, I added the {{failed verification}} tag, not a cn tag. Cheers though. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 20:50, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Yes, the one that's now gone. Perhaps we can just ignore the cn tag then. Cheers though. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:04, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Well quite possibly, but I'm not sure what it has to do with your jokey small text comment. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 21:11, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support I've cited that single cn. Black Kite (talk) 23:27, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

• Thanks. Can't see any reason to oppose now. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:31, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

• Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:25, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

• Thanks for the quick turnaround on this one. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:33, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: John Brown

Article: John Campbell Brown (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): RAS Uni. Glasgow

• Nominated by Modest Genius (talk • give credit)

Article updated
Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The Astronomer Royal for Scotland. His death was announced in reliable sources on the 18th, but he actually died on the 16th. Unfortunately the RSes don't mention the exact date of death, but otherwise the article seems adequately sourced. Modest Genius ^talk 12:41, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

The death date is now sourced to a local newspaper. Struck above. Modest Genius ^talk 17:56, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support The article is well-referenced, but could do with expansion if anyone wants to help! Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:32, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose stub. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:36, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

  @The Rambling Man: It's 'start' not 'stub', and is currently being expanded. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:56, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

  It's a stub. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:57, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

  Support much better now. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 19:19, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support Looks fine. Andrew D. (talk) 19:09, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support Cited well ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 19:14, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
• Wait, I thought John Brown died in 1859 pbp 21:04, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
• Posted. Black Kite (talk) 23:22, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

November 17

Portal:Current events/2019 November 17

Current events of November 17, 2019 (2019-11-17) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2019 Hong Kong protests Clashes erupt on the campus of Hong Kong Polytechnic University. Police use tear gas and water cannons. Protesters fire bows and arrows and petrol bombs, and set fires. (Reuters) Pro-democracy activist Joshua Wong urges Germany to stop military assistance to China. (Outlook) Disasters and accidents A gas explosion in Chittagong, Bangladesh, kills at least seven people and injures eight. (Reuters) Health and environment In response to a measles outbreak, Samoa declares a state of emergency, closes all schools and urges all persons under 17 to avoid public gatherings. (ABC News) International relations 2018–19 Korean peace process U.S. Defense Secretary Mark Esper and South Korean Minister of National Defense Jeong Kyeong-doo announce that their countries will postpone their annual joint military air exercises to help facilitate the peace process. (San Francisco Chronicle) Japan–United States relations, Japan–North Korea relations Japanese Defence Minister Tarō Kōno tells his United States and South Korea counterparts that "no one could be optimistic about North Korea" after "they launched over 20 missiles so far this year". (Yahoo! News) Law and crime Fresno party shooting At least ten people are shot, with four killed, at a backyard party in Fresno, California. (CNN) Politics and elections 2019 Belarusian parliamentary election Voters in Belarus head to the polls in the country's latest parliamentary election. The election is closely watched by the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe due to the country's poor human rights record. (Deutsche Welle)

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(Closed) Fresno mass shooting

Consensus to post this is not going to develop. I would also note that over time a rough consensus, at least among ITN regulars, seems to have developed against posting American mass shootings absent some factor that distinguishes them from the sadly routine shootings that occur here. I'm not trying to discourage future nominations, and every nomination should be judged on its own merits. But I would encourage editors to be aware of this trend. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:58, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

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Article: Fresno party shooting (talk, history)
Blurb: ​In Fresno, California, at least four people are killed and six injured in a mass shooting.
News source(s): NYT, Sacremento Bee, BBC, L.A. Times, Guardian

• Nominated by WaltCip (talk • give credit)
• Created by Ottoshade (talk • give credit)
• Updated by TomCat4680 (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: More people died in this shooting than in the previous one nominated that took place in Santa Clarita. Suspect is also still at large - an unusual ending to most mass shootings in which the suspect either is captured or takes their own life. WaltCip (talk) 14:26, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

• Follow-up nom comment - I might also add that this shooting is unusual in that it did not take place in a school or a public space, but at someone's private dwelling. Children were also present.--WaltCip (talk) 14:31, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose, per the discussion of the Saugus shooting below. None of the differences are significant. Modest Genius ^talk 14:40, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per Modest Genius. --Masem (t) 14:52, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose at this time, I concur with Modest Genius. 331dot (talk) 14:53, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose for now. Article contains very little information; it is only marginally past stub level. Heck, there's almost more text in the headers than in the actual prose itself! I would consider supporting with a significant expansion of text. --Jayron32 14:57, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

I'd be willing to expand it. What sort of details would you be looking for? Local/national reactions? A synopsis of what occurred? --WaltCip (talk) 15:14, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

A synopsis is better. Reactions are usually WP:TRIVIA-level stuff, added to beef up an otherwise thin article. The article should be, as efficiently as possible, a complete summary of what scholarship there is on an event. Do note that my opposition allows for the possibility the article could never be expanded, if for example, there's just not enough information in reliable sources to write a decent article. --Jayron32 17:00, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose despite this being the deadliest shooting at a garden party in Fresno in November in 2019. This is something like the 400th mass shooting in the United States this year, business as usual. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 15:18, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

To be clear, it was a watch party, one that happened to be in a garden.--WaltCip (talk) 17:04, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

For the avoidance of doubt, where I come from there's no such thing as a watch party. That just sounds like a load of creepy blokes comparing their pieces. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 17:06, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Nor where I come from. Sacremento Bee calls it simply a backyard party. – Sca (talk) 17:12, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

I've heard the media use the term "watch party" term dozens of times, whether its for a major sports contest (i.e. the Super Bowl), important political events, or series finales of popular shows. A quick Google search shows 9,920,000 results for the term. TomCat4680 (talk) 17:34, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Sure, in America. This is English language Wikipedia. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 17:39, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Yeah and British English uses words and phrases American English doesn't either, and vice versa. Doesn't make them either dialect illegitimate. TomCat4680 (talk) 17:43, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

I said nothing about British English. There are plenty of other variants, none of which use "watch party" in this context. When this becomes "American English Wikipedia", let me know. But we're dithering around the edges. This, like all such other "mass shooting in US" nominations is a dead duck. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 17:46, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

My point was just because you've "never heard of it", doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Google found almost 10 million results for the term, so clearly it's commonly used. TomCat4680 (talk) 17:50, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Yes, but a word that's going to be misunderstood (not even just simply not understood - a "watch party" is surely more common to mean vigil or having a stake-out?) by a large number of readers doesn't belong on the main page. Kingsif (talk) 17:47, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

What's there to misunderstand? Like I said already, a watch party is when a large group of people gather at a specific location and time to watch a certain program on TV. Not exactly rocket science here. CNN called it a watch party by the way. TomCat4680 (talk) 17:55, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose for the same reasons Saugus was opposed just last week ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 15:19, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
• You've got to be kidding me. Two mass shootings in my state in less than a week. pbp 15:29, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
  • The 3rd in a week even. There also was a domestic murder-suicide in San Diego with 5 dead. At least according to this article. Which in itself makes clear how, while of course tragic, this sort of thing is just business as usual. 80.138.66.157 (talk) 15:54, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
• Comment – The fact that this was the third mass shooting in California in less than a week puts this in a different category in terms of news value, aka significance, IMHO. Wiki shouldn't be anti-something solely on the basis of location, i.e. country. (WP:NPOV) – Sca (talk) 17:04, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

I agree; I wouldn't mind a proposed alt-blurb that highlights that this is the third high-profile mass shooting in California within a week.--WaltCip (talk) 17:05, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

PS: "Please do not ... oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country." – Sca (talk) 17:20, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Why not highlight that it's the X^th (~400th?) mass shooting this year or something similar? That, to me, is far more newsworthy than a coincidental three in one arbitrary geographical locale in a week. There's no link, so using Wikipedia voice to somehow even allude to a one is insulting in extremis. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 17:43, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose Another mass shooting in California this week. Without a notable death count, this now falls into practically expected. Kingsif (talk) 17:42, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose but expand. Article is pretty scant on specific details. The suspect is unidentified and still on the loose, the motive is unknown, it's not even clear whether or not the suspect even knew the victims or if it was just a random act of violence, etc. TomCat4680 (talk) 18:00, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

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Saudi Aramco IPO

Article: Saudi Aramco (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Saudi Aramco sells 1.5% of its shares in an initial public offering, valuing the entire company at $1.71 trillion
News source(s): [1]

• Nominated by Banedon (talk • give credit)
• Updated by Jaseromer (talk • give credit) and Ahibawiki (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: $1.71 trillion makes it by far the largest public company in history (see comparison [2]) Banedon (talk) 12:17, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support on quality and significance, but feel we need at least a little context on the IPO itself. Every story I read on this is mentioning Khashoggi, most are saying this is bad timing, asking "what does this all mean?" etc. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:14, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

  Shame on me for taking blurb at face value. Why in the hell would be post a blurb for something that hasn't happened? GreatCaesarsGhost 12:58, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose it will only be after the IPO that we will have a good idea of the value of the company; the IPO closes Dec 5. Additionally, we usually don't post this type of business news unless proven to be some significant/superlative facet. (To add, the IPO had been planned for a while, the drone strike earlier this year slowed plans but obviously they are back now. This is not a big surprise outside of the speed.) --Masem (t) 15:01, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per Masem ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 15:20, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose it's a big number, but as Masem notes, meaningless until after the IPO. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 15:22, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
• Wait. Apparently that's only the announced price for the first 1.5% of the company, so this is a massive extrapolation and no-one has actually bought it yet. If it finishes as the largest IPO ever, I think that would be worth posting, but let's wait to see what happens. Modest Genius ^talk 15:35, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support. This is the first IPO for what is essentially the world's largest corporation. On top of that, it stands a fairly good chance of breaking the IPO record.NorthernFalcon (talk) 03:41, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
• Comment The IPO has been withdrawn from the London and New York markets, which were the only one's that mattered. It will debut sometime (Dec-Jan?) on the tiny and illiquid Saudi-run Tadawul exchange. That is, the stock will not be freely tradable and will not represent controlling interest, as most readers would assume for an IPO. This has been a cat-and-mouse game going back to 2006 or so. This simply has to wait, at least, for the stock to actually be listed and for bonafide transactions to take place (so as to establish some semblance of "public" valuation).130.233.3.140 (talk) 06:45, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Big number, little meaning. – Ammarpad (talk) 05:40, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

2019 Sri Lankan presidential election

Article: 2019 Sri Lankan presidential election (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Former Defense Secretary, Gotabaya Rajapaksa wins the 2019 Sri Lankan presidential election to become the 7th executive president of Sri Lanka.
Alternative blurb: ​Gotabaya Rajapaksa wins the Sri Lanka presidential election.
Alternative blurb II: ​Former Defense Minister Gotabaya Rajapaksa (pictured) is elected president of Sri Lanka.
News source(s): BBC

• Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk • give credit)
• Created by Blackknight12 (talk • give credit)
• Updated by Blackknight12 (talk • give credit) and Randeepa (talk • give credit) and Obi2canibe (talk • give credit)

Article updated
Nominated event is listed at WP:ITN/R, meaning that the recurrence of the event should in itself merit a post on WP:ITN, subject to the quality of the article and any update(s) to it.

Nominator's comments: Results are expected on Sunday, otherwise Monday. No doubt, prose is lacking hence would like to start discussion on what else could be done to make it to ITN Sherenk1 (talk) 02:20, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

• Since the votes are still being counted, I'm holding off on officially adding a blurb. But since sources from Reuters and BBC are projecting Gotabhaya Rajapaksa as the winner, my proposal is: Former Defense Minister Gotabhaya Rajapaksa is elected president of Sri Lanka.
  • With that being said, I unfortunately will have to give this a weak oppose for now. While this election is unusually important for such an overlooked country (due to, among other things, the controversial reputation of Rajapaksa, the election happening months after a devastating terrorist attack, the strength of Indian and Chinese influence in the region depending on who wins, etc.), the article itself is poorly organized. The "Timeline" section needs to be converted to prose (probably reorganized into "Background"), and there is an "Empty section" tag in the "Polls" section, for starters. Mount Patagonia (talk) 06:49, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
• Comment The election results are still pending but Gotabaya Rajapaksa claims that he has emerged victorious. Officially the Election Commissioner hasn't revealed a reliable statement about this. Gotabaya is leading the election results by a big margin at the moment compared to his rival Sajith Premadasa. I would support if the winner is officially confirmed. Abishe (talk) 07:14, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support The details are updated and I hope this would qualify for ITN. If Bolivian protests can be nominated for the ITN why can't the Sri Lankan elections be considered. Looks like no one is interested regarding this at least few could have said to oppose this. No response and no regular activity here today and it is quite ironical to say this. Abishe (talk) 16:21, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support. Per above. Well referenced. Good to go. MSN12102001 (talk) 20:31, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose This article is worse than the article for #Spanish general election which we also did not post. No summary of results and an ugly timeline that should be presented in prose. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 21:24, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Where are the results? And there seems to be a little lack of refs. Kingsif (talk) 21:48, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
• Comment The results are updated now and this is seriously important to nominate for ITN. First of all Gotabaya had several charges levelled on him and defied all the odds to become the President. Notably escaped from a suicide bombing in 2006. He is charged with war crimes which were committed durinf the final stages of the Sri Lankan Civil War and had issues regarding the American citizenship prior to contesting at the elections. So these factors I guess would make sense to be nominated. Tamil Guardian CNN Al Jazeera] Abishe (talk) 02:59, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
  • You still to address the formatting for the "Timeline" section, and many of the sources on the page are just bare URLs. If both of these can be fixed, I will switch to support. Mount Patagonia (talk) 03:58, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
  • The results have not been summarized in prose. Please summarized the highlights from the table of results in words and cite sources to verify the interpretation. Something like "Gotabaya Rajapaksa of the Sri Lanka Podujana Peramuna party earned 52.25% of the votes...[3]" and so on to describe the major points detailed in the table. Don't force readers to interpret the results for themselves. The aftermath section is not a summary of results; it is a summary of the aftermath. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 07:27, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) 2019 Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series

Article: 2019 Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Kyle Busch (pictured) wins the 2019 Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series championship.
Alternative blurb: ​In stock car racing, Kyle Busch (pictured) wins the Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series championship.
Alternative blurb II: ​In stock car racing, the NASCAR Cup Series concludes, with Kyle Busch (pictured) winning the driver's championship
News source(s): MRN, USA Today, The New York Times

• Nominated by Dough4872 (talk • give credit)
• Created by Fan of the 88 (talk • give credit)
• Updated by A.lanzetta (talk • give credit) and WWEFan1926 (talk • give credit) and Dough4872 (talk • give credit)

Article updated
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 Dough4872 03:21, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

• Comment Some CN tags. A very thorough ITNR article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.233.3.140 (talk) 10:16, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support. There are only three cn tags on unimportant facts, which I think is acceptable in such a mammoth article. I'm pleased to see there are prose summaries of every race. We don't put sponsor names in ITN blurbs, adding alt2. Looks good to go. Modest Genius ^talk 13:09, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

  I won't debate the importance of those facts, but they are "likely to be challenged," so they need to be sourced. No problem though, because "any material that needs a source but does not have one may be removed." GreatCaesarsGhost 13:29, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

  I'm not disputing that they need a source; the tags are justified. I just don't think they're a serious enough problem to prevent posting in ITN. If you prefer to delete those statement entirely, that's fine with me. Modest Genius ^talk 14:37, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

  Understood, just my own preference is that I would not support as is, and I won't strike the statement unless I personally put in a good faith effort to reference. I've done so for one of the three. GreatCaesarsGhost 15:48, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

  All the cn tags have been dealt with (not by me). Modest Genius ^talk 17:04, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support Alt II like all good Boat Race articles, this is GOOD TO GO! The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:42, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

  Still good to go, four hours later! The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 22:44, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

• Image isn't protected. I've just sent it to CMP and I'll post as soon as the bot does its job. Black Kite (talk) 23:09, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

• Fast work KrinkleBot! Posted. Black Kite (talk) 23:17, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

November 16

Portal:Current events/2019 November 16

Current events of November 16, 2019 (2019-11-16) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Terrorism in Sri Lanka Gunmen open fire on two buses carrying Muslim voters to the polls near Anuradhapura. No casualties are reported and no arrests take place. (The Guardian) Syrian Civil War Turkey blames another attack on the PKK. The bombings targeted a bus terminal in al-Bab, Aleppo Governorate, killing 18 and wounding dozens of others. (Al Jazeera) 2019 Iraqi protests A car bomb detonates near a protest in Baghdad, killing two people and injuring 20. (Reuters) (Al Jazeera) Gaza–Israel clashes (November 2019) Continuing rocket fire leads Israel to launch fresh strikes into Gaza in response. (France 24) An attack on civilians in the village of Mbau, Democratic Republic of the Congo, using bladed weapons, kills over 18 civilians. Islamic militants are the suspected attackers. (Reuters) 2019 Bolivian protests At least eight people were killed and dozens injured in Sacaba after security forces fired on supporters of ousted president Evo Morales. (NPR) (Associated Press) Bolivia's interim president met with a UN envoy, Jean Arnault, to discuss the country's political turmoil. (Global News) Arts and culture LGBT rights in Hong Kong Amid violent protests, Hong Kong holds its gay pride parade in spite of a police ban. Human rights and pro-democracy and openly gay activist Jimmy Sham heads the march. (The Sydney Morning Herald) International relations Iran–United States relations, Iran–Saudi Arabia relations, Egypt–Iran relations, Iran–United Arab Emirates relations, Bahrain–Iran relations, Shia–Sunni relations United States Air Force Chief of Staff David Goldfein asks Gulf States to be united amid rising tensions with Iran as Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Bahrain and Egypt have divided opinions with Qatar. (Reuters) Law and crime List of mass shootings in the United States in 2019 A man killed his estranged wife and their three children and injured another child before killing himself in San Diego. (The New York Times) Politics and elections 2019 Iranian fuel protests Large protests rock major Iranian cities with clashes reported between protesters and security forces. (Radio Farda) 2019 Sri Lankan presidential election Sri Lankan voters head to the polls to elect a new president. Although 35 candidates are running, the main frontrunners are former Defense Secretary Gotabaya Rajapaksa of the right-wing Sri Lanka People's Front and current Minister of Housing and Construction Sajith Premadasa of the centre-right United National Party. (Reuters) Rajapaksa claims victory and Premadasa concedes defeat, with half of the votes counted for. (Reuters) Yellow vests movement Parisian police fire tear gas and water cannons at protestors and arrest around 105 people on the anniversary of the first yellow vest protests. (Reuters) 2019 Louisiana gubernatorial election Incumbent Democratic governor John Bel Edwards narrowly defeats businessman and Republican candidate Eddie Rispone to retain his seat; Louisiana Republicans also fall short of winning a supermajority in the Louisiana House of Representatives, allowing Edwards to retain veto power over legislation. The results follow recent gains by the Democratic Party in elections in Virginia and Kentucky and is considered as another blow to U.S. President Donald Trump. (Reuters) 2019 Hong Kong protests In Hong Kong, soldiers belonging to China's People's Liberation Army are spotted in the streets helping clear debris left by protesters. (The Epoch Times) Protests in the Czech Republic On the 30th anniversary of the outbreak of the Velvet Revolution, over 200,000 people gathered at Letná, Prague, demanding better political culture and the resignation of prime minister Andrej Babiš. This was the second mass demonstration organized at Letná by Milion chvilek pro demokracii after a similar protest on 23 June 2019. (BBC)

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2019 Bolivian political crisis

Closing as unnecessary. Kingsif (talk) 22:42, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

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Article: 2019 Bolivian political crisis (talk, history)
Ongoing item nomination

• Nominated by Kingsif (talk • give credit)

 Kingsif (talk) 20:38, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose Blurb is still on news and no immediate sign it is about to fall off. Better to consider the situation when the blurb does fall off. --Masem (t) 21:52, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

• Good point. I nom'd because the blurb is a week old... but so is the box... Kingsif (talk) 00:08, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose not seeing much here that needs voting on. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:37, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

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2019 Iranian fuel protests

Article: 2019 Iranian fuel protests (talk, history)
Blurb: ​At least twelve people have been killed after protests across Iran when the government unexpectedly announced it was rationing petrol and hiking prices.
Alternative blurb: ​Multiple protests break out in Iran after the government announces fuel rationing and price hikes, leaving at least twelve people dead.
News source(s): BBC

• Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk • give credit)
• Created by Persepolis1400 (talk • give credit)
• Updated by Persepolis1400 (talk • give credit) and Telluride749 (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Dominating worldwide headlines. Article is well referenced. Sherenk1 (talk) 14:14, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

• Your blurb is plagiarized. Abductive (reasoning) 19:17, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Modified - Sherenk1 (talk) 02:24, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
• Comment The content of the article is fine and suitable for ITN. I have addressed some minor CE things. I cannot check references, however, because 13/20 of them are in Farsi or Arabic. I know for certain that some of the details that these references support can be found in English language media. Without those, I cannot know for certain the precise words that protestors have been chanting, for example.130.233.3.140 (talk) 10:41, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support according to the BBC, we're now up to at least twelve killed and the article is of sufficient quality. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:40, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support – Amnesty International, clearly the more reliable source in this matter, is reporting at least 106 deaths during this event. The article quality is sufficient. It drifted a bit since TRM commented, which is why I withheld my support, but has since been remedied. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 19:57, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support Looks like a decent article.-- P-K3 (talk) 21:21, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

November 15

Portal:Current events/2019 November 15

Current events of November 15, 2019 (2019-11-15) (Friday) Business and economy The Iranian government announces that, effective immediately, petrol will be rationed to 60 litres per month, and prices will increase 50%. Fuel beyond the limit will cost double. Iranians take to the streets to oppose the plan, which results from United States sanctions against Iran. (Al Jazeera) (The New York Times) International relations North Korean abductions of Japanese citizens, Japan–North Korea relations Sakie Yokota, the mother of a Japanese girl abducted by North Korea 42 years ago at the age of 13, appeals directly to Kim Jong-un to release her and all Japanese abductees. She also decries the lack of Japanese government action on the issue. (NHK World-Japan) Japan–South Korea relations, Japan–United States relations, South Korea–United States relations Japan, South Korea and the United States agree to boost multilateral military cooperation and defense issues. (Yonhap News Agency) Law and crime Criminal charges brought in the Special Counsel investigation (2017–2019) A federal jury convicts Roger Stone of lying to the United States Congress and tampering with a witness about his efforts to learn about the anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks's release of hacked Democratic emails in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. (The Washington Post) Politics and elections 2019 Hong Kong protests A 70-year-old bystander dies after being hit by a brick while filming a clash between protesters and residents. Police is treating the act as a murder. (BBC News) (South China Morning Post) Pro-Beijing Hong Kong Justice Secretary Teresa Cheng suffers minor injuries after being heckled in London. China's Foreign Ministry condemns the protesters. (Reuters) (South China Morning Post) 2019 Chilean protests An agreement is signed by most of the political parties supporting a referendum in April 2020 regarding the draft of a new constitution through a constituent convention. This will be the first time the Constitution of Chile is written with popular participation. (The Guardian) 2019 Bolivian protests Security forces open fire on protesters in Cochabamba, killing at least five. (CBC News)

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RD: Mark Cady

Article: Mark Cady (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): AP

• Nominated by Davey2116 (talk • give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American jurist, chief justice of the Supreme Court of Iowa (2011–19) who wrote the opinion which legalized same-sex marriage in Iowa, dies at age 66. Article could use some expansion. Davey2116 (talk) 12:41, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

• Comment 33 year career as a judge, with 21 of those years as the highest judge in the state, and the only mention of his judicial acts in his BLP is for gay marriage (twice) and abortion. As for his personal life, I now know that Cady had a dog and participated in some civic organizations. I guess there's nothing wrong with the article, just that it doesn't inform the reader of anything.130.233.3.140 (talk) 10:55, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose – per IP, it's a stub. Needs expanding.-- P-K3 (talk) 13:58, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
• Weak oppose stub, what's there is fine. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:41, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

November 14

Portal:Current events/2019 November 14

Current events of November 14, 2019 (2019-11-14) (Thursday) Business and economy Ford announces that its new electric SUV will be known as the Mustang Mach-E. The "Mustang" model name, previously employed by Ford's muscle cars, could be an important asset for the new venture. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents A vehicle collision in Iran's southeastern Sistan and Baluchestan Province kills at least 28 people, all Afghan nationals. (BBC News) Law and crime Saugus High School shooting A school shooting at Saugus High School in Santa Clarita, California, injures five students, two fatally. The 16-year-old gunman, identified as Nathaniel Berhow, shoots himself, is hospitalized, and dies a day later. (The Cincinnati Enquirer) 2017–18 Spanish constitutional crisis After the admission of the European Arrest Warrant against her, ousted Catalan Education Minister Clara Ponsatí, who is in a "self-exile" in Edinburgh, appears in court and is bailed without charges hours after. (BBC News) Politics and elections 2019 Hong Kong protests Chief Superintendent of Police of Hong Kong Tse Chun-chung says protesters' acts are "another step closer to terrorism". (Reuters) Japan–South Korea relations South Korean government officials announce that Japan and the United States are interested in renewing the GSOMIA pact between Japan and South Korea to maintain bilateral cooperation between the two nations in defense issues. (Yonhap News Agency) 2019 Bolivian protests, 2019 Bolivian political crisis Bolivian police use tear gas to break up a peaceful pro-Morales counter-protest in La Paz, then block about a dozen pro-Morales senators from entering the nation's legislature. Pro-Morales demonstrators respond with cries of "dictatorship" and throw stones at the police. (The New York Times) Politics of Moldova Ion Chicu is sworn in as Prime Minister after the collapse of Maia Sandu's government on 12 November. (Reuters)

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(Closed) Saugus High School shooting

Tragic, but consensus will not emerge to post, and discussion will inevitably turn into US mudslinging. Stephen 22:38, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

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Article: Saugus High School shooting (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Shooting at Saugus High School in Santa Clarita, California, USA
News source(s): https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/los-angeles-county-deputies-respond-report-santa-clarita-school-shooting-n1082231

• Nominated by Sanjay7373 (talk • give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: The calamity in Santa Clarita has made national news. One person has been killed and countless injured. This is a high-profile situation — politicians like Donald Trump, Bernie Sanders, and Amy Klobuchar have responded to the devastation at SHS. To exclude this from the Main Page would be a disservice to Santa Clarita's over 200,000 residents as well as the victims of the shooting and students at the school. Sanjay7373 (talk) 19:34, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/los-angeles-county-deputies-respond-report-santa-clarita-school-shooting-n1082231

• Not wishing to partake in the rest of this conversation, I will note that To exclude this from the Main Page would be a disservice... is not an argument for (or against) Main Page inclusion or any Wikipedia action, as we are not here to right great wrongs. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 19:43, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

• This is a high-profile, national event. One person has been killed. It certainly merits inclusion in the Main Page, just like the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland. Sanjay7373 (talk) 19:48, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. School shootings are regretfully a common event in the United States, and as they go this is a relatively minor one- and I get that sounds terrible to say. The event is certainly a terrible event generally and of extreme importance to the community the school is in. This is, however, a global encyclopedia and we have to make certain decisions about what goes on the Main Page. If this shooting is significant enough, there would likely need to be a permanent spot on the Main Page for posting all of them as they happen. Politicians routinely comment on them and doing so isn't always an indicator of importance. Trying to right the great wrong of shootings is not the role of ITN or Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 19:52, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

• How many times do we have to go through this? Shootings are routine in the United States. Americans regard them as normal and acceptable, and a fair exchange for a right to possess lethal weapons. The politicians there haven't taken any action for decades and are not likely to do so in the foreseeable future. A car bomb in Baghdad has far more long-term domestic and international impact. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:57, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

This is not the place to express views on guns in the United States, regardless of their merits. 331dot (talk) 19:59, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

• I am not expressing any views on guns. I am just saying that this event is very high-profile and should be included on the Main Page. One person has died in what is generally considered a safe city.Sanjay7373 (talk) 20:00, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

  Sanjay7373 My comment was addressed to Hawkeye7. 331dot (talk) 20:03, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

  Well I am not either. I was only commenting on the impact. That politicians on the campaign trail have commented seems routine; a media rep will often pose a question about a current event. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:14, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

• Also, I don't see anything about a car bomb in Baghdad on the main page. Sanjay7373 (talk) 20:04, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose tragic for the community but sadly run of the mill. Thryduulf (talk) 20:17, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
• And now another person has died. This is a national and international news story, and it certainly warrants inclusion on the main page. In fact, it should be included on the main page, just like shootings in Parkland, Orlando, Las Vegas, etc.Sanjay7373 (talk) 20:26, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Those shootings had much higher levels of casualties. If we posted every shooting like this in the United States, that's all we would be doing here. 331dot (talk) 20:28, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Agreed, sadly. And @Sanjay7373: Please stop posting so many of your own comments on this nomination; I understand how you feel, but it's not good form. Funcrunch (talk) 21:12, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

A better way to look at this: if there was a mass stabbing in France that killed two people, that'd also not make ITN. Neither would any mass casualty incident which killed two people in Canada (unless the people who died were notable: such as an assassination of a prominent political figure or something). Nothing really to do with it being in the US. -- Rockstonetalk to me! 22:20, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose As others have said, shootings in the US are too common place to every one up, and this, with only 1-2 deaths, fails to meet "MINIMUMDEATHS". Yes, it is tragic, but too commonplace. --Masem (t) 20:30, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
• Also, car bombs are pretty common in Baghdad in the same way shootings are common in the USA. In addition, Santa Clarita is a relatively safe community. A massacre in Compton might not be as notable as one in Santa Clarita. Sanjay7373 (talk) 20:38, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per others. Aside from the notability of the event, the article isn't really up to par for ITN anyway - it's barely passed stub-level. ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 20:46, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
• This event is pretty notable, as evidenced by the reactions not only from Santa Clarita, but from politicians across the country in Washington, D.C. Sanjay7373 (talk) 20:48, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

As I indicated, politicians routinely comment on tragic events and doing so is no indication of its significance. Maybe if a law was passed as a result, but not now. 331dot (talk) 20:51, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Which do you think is more notable: the construction of a Hindu temple in India, or the deaths of 2 innocent students at a school in Santa Clarita? A Hindu temple is just a building, here, two students have died and countless more were injured.Sanjay7373 (talk) 20:56, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

That's a false equivalency. We judge each nomination on its own merits. 331dot (talk) 21:02, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

The injured are not 'countless', either. 331dot (talk) 21:03, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

• I had a feeling this would be nominated if for no other reason than this occurred in Los Angeles County. You have made your point, Sanjay, but there's just not enough for this to be fit for ITN due to the high frequency of mass shootings in the US. With that said, strong oppose. Also, regarding your comparison to the Hindu temple story, please be mindful of your systemic bias.--WaltCip (talk) 21:06, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose, but for a different reason than the people trashing our gun laws: even if this shooting took place outside of the US, it still wouldn't be notable enough for ITN. It's tragic, but there are neither enough deaths nor any indication that it'll impact things long term in order to warrant a blurb. -- Rockstonetalk to me! 22:17, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Lacks long term notability. Nonstopmaximum (talk) 22:31, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose, the last school shooting in the US that was posted on ITN was the Stoneman Douglas High School shooting in February 2018. Since then there have been, according to List of school shootings in the United States, some 57 further incidents that we have not posted, including several with higher casualty figures than this one. The bar for inclusion in ITN is high, and this doesn't seem to meet that level, as others have noted. Spokoyni (talk) 22:33, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose – For all the reasons expressed, once again, above. – Sca (talk) 22:34, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Vashishtha Narayan Singh

Article: Vashishtha Narayan Singh (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): NDTV, India Today

• Nominated by DannyS712 (talk • give credit)
• Updated by Nizil Shah (talk • give credit)

Article updated
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 --DannyS712 (talk) 19:16, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose Needs a copyedit and there are some unreferenced claims.-- P-K3 (talk) 19:51, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
• Weak Oppose - A few sources needed, then looks good to go ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 20:16, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Support now after updating. Thanks Nizil! ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 15:06, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Insufficient depth of coverage: lists some positions that he worked in, but nothing mentioned regarding his contributions to the field of mathematics. Spencer^T•C 13:54, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Striking oppose given explanations below. While I don't support the nomination due to concerns about depth of coverage, marking as ready as there does appear to be consensus to post. Spencer^T•C 03:52, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support Updated/organised/expanded with references. -Nizil (talk) 14:41, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

@Spencer, Mike gigs, and Pawnkingthree: Please reconsider you votes. I have updated article. May require minor copyediting. -Nizil (talk) 14:41, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

• Thank you for your referencing work. My position remains since there have been no new additions regarding his career work as a mathematician. Spencer^T•C 15:41, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

• @Spencer: Please see my comments at Talk:Vashishtha Narayan Singh#Mathematician vs Academic. -Nizil (talk) 04:52, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

• I see, it looks like he did not contribute much to mathematics and the article is reflective of that. I will be honest, the article does not do a good job explaining why Singh is notable. Is he notable for being lost on the train journey? If so, then the article should be expanded more to reflect that. Right now, the article is basically a CV in prose form without much meat to it. Best, Spencer^T•C 00:00, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

• @Spencer:, as I have written on talkpage, he is notable for "his circumstances" instead of "his accomplishments". I have tried to dive deeper in his circumstances like being lost etc but most of the information is untrustworthy/differing in details and anecdotal so I refrained from adding it. The article could have been better with more in depth information but I believe that this start-class basic article is enough to be in ITN. Regards, -Nizil (talk) 05:26, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

• Several sentences need rewriting in grammatical English. Stephen 10:03, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

• @Stephen: Sorry. I am not native English speaker. I welcome copyediting by others. -Nizil (talk) 05:26, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

• Weak support it seems like a leap from being lost on a train for four years to being a professor. This looks incomplete. What's there, while a bit messy, is ok. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:45, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
• Posted Kees08 (Talk) 06:36, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

RD: Branko Lustig

Article: Branko Lustig (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/schindlers-list-producer-branko-lustig-dies-87-67015227

• Nominated by DannyS712 (talk • give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Well referenced article --DannyS712 (talk) 19:03, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose for now; Filmography unreferenced.-- P-K3 (talk) 19:49, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per P-K3 ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 20:17, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose - ping me when ready.BabbaQ (talk) 00:18, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose well referenced besides the seven [citation needed] tags. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:45, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Gordie Gosse

Article: Gordie Gosse (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/speaker-of-the-house-ndp-mla-gordie-gosse-1.5358686

• Nominated by Miraclepine (talk • give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Speaker of the House of Assembly of Nova Scotia (2011–2013). Just cleaned up some unsourced content, but should look good. ミラP 17:04, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support - Short article but sourcing looks good ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 18:29, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
• Weak oppose. The election result is unsourced. Also, he was in office from 2003-2015 so why is only the 2013 result included? Thryduulf (talk) 20:21, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support. Article looks good. LefcentrerightTalk (plz ping) 21:01, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose As with many other start-class politician articles nominated to RD, very minimal information about what he accomplished in his role as a politician (policies, political issues, legislation passed, etc.) beyond "Gosse implemented a strict policy banning the use of mobile devices, including smart phones in the Nova Scotia House of Assembly during Question Period". Spencer^T•C 12:48, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support - looks good to go in my POV.BabbaQ (talk) 12:59, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
• Comment The 2013 election result now has a source attached to it. ミラP 02:51, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
• Posted Kees08 (Talk) 07:19, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

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