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This page provides a forum for editors to suggest items for inclusion on In the news (ITN), a protected template on the Main Page, as well as the forum for discussion of candidates. This is not the page to report errors in the ITN section on the Main Page—please go to the appropriate section at WP:ERRORS.

This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. Under each daily section header below is the transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day (with a light green header). Each day's portal page is followed by a subsection for suggestions and discussion.

Some jargon: RD refers to "recent deaths", a subsection of the news box which lists only the names of the recent notable deceased. Blurb refers to the full sentences that occupy most of the news box. Most eligible deaths will be listed in the recent deaths section of the ITN template. However, some deaths may be given a full listing if there is sufficient consensus to do so.

Al-Aqsa Mosque in 2013
Al-Aqsa Mosque
  • At least 9 people are killed in a school attack in Kazan, Russia.
  • Israeli air-strikes and Hamas militant missile launches kill at least 26 people and injure hundreds more following clashes at the Al-Aqsa Mosque (pictured) and elsewhere in Jerusalem.
  • Maldives speaker of parliament and former president Mohamed Nasheed is injured with four others in a car bombing in Malé.
  • In Afghanistan, a bombing near a school in Kabul kills at least 85 people and injures more than 140 others.

How to nominate an item[edit]

In order to suggest a candidate:

  • Update an article to be linked to from the blurb to include the recent developments, or find an article that has already been updated.
  • Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated).
    • Do not add sections for new dates. These are automatically generated (at midnight UTC) by a bot; creating them manually breaks this process.
  • Nominate the blurb for ITN inclusion under the "Suggestions" subheading for the date, emboldening the link in the blurb to the updated article. Use a level 4 header (====) when doing so.
    • Preferably use the template {{ITN candidate}} to nominate the article related to the event in the news. Make sure that you include a reference from a verifiable, reliable secondary source. Press releases are not acceptable. The suggested blurb should be written in simple present tense.
    • Adding an explanation why the event should be posted greatly increases the odds of posting.
  • Please consider alerting editors to the nomination by adding the template {{ITN note}} to the corresponding article's talk page.

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There are criteria which guide the decision on whether or not to put a particular item on In the news, based largely on the extensiveness of the updated content and the perceived significance of the recent developments. These are listed at WP:ITN.

Submissions that do not follow the guidelines at Wikipedia:In the news will not be placed onto the live template.

Headers[edit]

  • Items that have been posted or pulled from the main page are generally marked with (Posted) or (Pulled) in the item's subject so it is clear they are no longer active.
  • Items can also be marked as (Ready) when the article is both updated and there seems to be a consensus to post. The posting admin, however, should always judge the update and the consensus to post themselves. If you find an entry that you don't feel is ready to post is marked (Ready), you should remove the mark in the header.

Voicing an opinion on an item[edit]

  • Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated.

Please do not...[edit]

  1. add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are usually not helpful. Instead, explain the reasons why you think the item meets or does not meet the ITN inclusion criteria so a consensus can be reached.
  2. oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive.
  3. accuse other editors of supporting, opposing or nominating due to a personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). Conflicts of interest are not handled at ITN.
  4. comment on a story without first reading the relevant article(s).
  5. oppose a recurring item here because you disagree with the recurring items criteria. The criteria can be discussed at the relevant talk page.
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May 11[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Health and environment

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Law and crime


RD: Colt Brennan[edit]

Article: Colt Brennan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC Sports
Credits:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Record-setting University of Hawaii quarterback, spent some time in the NFL. Article needs some work, I'll see what I can do today. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 17:39, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) Kazan school attack[edit]

Article: Kazan school attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​At least 9 people are killed in a school attack in Kazan, Russia. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: School shootings in Russia are rare and mass shootings with two-digit death toll even rarer.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:32, 11 May 2021 (UTC) --Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:32, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

  • Support Absolutely in the news. I expect those who supported two-digit death toll in USA shootings to also support this. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 09:42, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
What about those who spit bile and venom at two-digit death toll shootings in the USA? You know Russia is a different country, on a different continent right? Maybe you should try to stay focused --LaserLegs (talk) 10:46, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
Gratuitously contentious. – Sca (talk) 15:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
@LaserLegs: Hello, I mentioned USA because mass shootings from USA are the most frequent here and I rarely see mass shootings nom from other countries. Thank you for your understanding. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 11:03, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Most definitely should be in the news. Although the sources I'm reading say that it's at least 8, not 11. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 09:59, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support posting when now the article's quality is good enough. It's currently too short, but is rapidly being expanded. Jim Michael (talk) 10:00, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose on quality the article is a micro-stub, 602 characters long. Needs to be a minimum of 3-4 times longer than that before we should consider putting it on ITN. Also, cn tag needs to be addressed. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:02, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support now that article is good enough. This is an uncommon event, and therefore ITN worthy. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:37, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose on quality as above. A weak stub at the moment. Event is notable enough for ITN however. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:08, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support in principle, oppose on quality per above. The article is WAY too short. Try following the disaster stub template. It's a neat tool to get out of stub status. --Aknell4 (talkcontribs) 12:48, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
    • Support the article has been developed to ITN standards. --Aknell4 (talkcontribs) 15:29, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Article is too short to be put on the main page. As always, if this is fixed, then consider my opposition to be ended. --Jayron32 13:53, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Not ready yet for ITN. STSC (talk) 14:40, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment – Cited sources indicate this is another disgruntled former student, apparently acting alone on personal motives. Wider significance might be doubtful. – Sca (talk) 15:39, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
It makes it less notable than if it were carried out by a terrorist group, but I think it still notable enough for ITN. Jim Michael (talk) 16:33, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support As of now, the article is ready. And per nom, school shootings in Russia, particularly the deadly ones, are relatively rare. Brandmeistertalk 16:26, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose - we would not post this if it happened in the US. We should not post it just because it happened elsewhere. --Rockstone[Send me a message!] 16:54, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
    I'm afraid that argument is deeply flawed and I suspect you know it. There are plenty of instances where mass shootings outside the US are much more notable (like almost all of them) because the frequency with which they occur in the United States is far higher than almost any other country in the universe. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 17:01, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
    I wish things were different in the United States but there have been more mass shootings this year than in Russia since the dissolution of the Soviet Union.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:07, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted. SpencerT•C 18:42, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

May 10[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

  • Chernobyl disaster
    • Ukrainian scientists report that, for an unknown reason, the levels of nuclear radiation have increased in the remains of the Chernobyl power plant. Most areas of containment have shown decreasing radiation levels, however, in one particular room, radiation counts have doubled over the last four years. These radiation levels are high enough to preclude installing sensors. Additionally, fuel containing materials, which were initially the consistency of lava, are disintegrating into radioactive dust. (Popular Mechanics) (Nature)

Health and environment

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology

  • Sources in Russia's defense industry report that Russia will be carrying out three tests of the RS-28 Sarmat hypersonic ICBM during the third quarter of 2021 at the Kura Missile Test Range in Kamchatka Krai as part of flight design tests. Two of the tests are expected to test maximum capabilities for the ICBM with a specified range of 18,000 km and speeds of around Mach 20, prior to final deployment with the armed forces in 2022. (TASS)

Sports


RD: Dennis Joseph[edit]

Article: Dennis Joseph (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Times of India
Credits:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian screen-writer. Needs some expansion and citations, which I will endeavour to update in the next day or so.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:32, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: S. A. E. Nababan[edit]

Article: S. A. E. Nababan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): UCA News
Credits:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Leader of the largest church in Indonesia and Southeast Asia for more than a decade (his last five years were disputed) — 10 May refers to his burial day. I visited his funeral home for about fifteen minutes. The photo that was used in the article was the last photo I took before I left the funeral home. (you could see from the stare) Article is still in development, please kindly wait. Article is done, please voice your opinion or input for the article. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 14:08, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

  • Support Good depth of coverage, AGF on the sources, referenced. SpencerT•C 17:54, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support definitely good enough for RD. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:01, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose One-sentence lead too short. Even missing the country per MOS:CONTEXTBIO.—Bagumba (talk) 06:25, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
@Bagumba: Hi Bagumba, thank you for your input, I have expanded the lead. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 09:39, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
Striking my "oppose"—Bagumba (talk) 09:43, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Looks alright and notable enough for a RD.--Vacant0 (talk) 16:03, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 18:35, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

RD: James Dean (footballer)[edit]

Article: James Dean (footballer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 14:01, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment: I've added some more on circumstances surrounding his death. There doesn't look to be much more that can be added, it looks just about long enough for RD now. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:14, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support It's short, but per above there's probably not much more to say.-- P-K3 (talk) 13:11, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Information on the page seems to be well-cited even though its short, seems good.--Vacant0 (talk) 16:05, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Colonial pipeline[edit]

Proposed image
A junction in Dorsey, Maryland being inspected by the chairman of the NTSB
Article: Colonial Pipeline cyberattack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​The largest U.S. refined products pipeline system is shut down by a cyberattack. (Post)
News source(s): BBC; Reuters
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: It's a new article which needs more work such as a picture but it's a reasonable start Andrew🐉(talk) 12:41, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

  • Oppose I was ready to support this based on the blurb, but that's not what happened at all. Their IT systems were hit by malware and as a precaution they shut down their industrial control systems. In that regard, it's not really notable it's the internet equivalent of checking for unlocked doors. Targeted attacks on industrial control systems I would support. --LaserLegs (talk) 13:27, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose + per LaserLegs, single entities being hit by a cyberattack (regardless of means) is far too narrow for ITN. We'd be focused on something on a far more massive scale like the 2017 cyberattacks on Ukraine (which also hit numerous orgs outside Ukraine). --Masem (t) 13:30, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Overblown.--WaltCip-(talk) 14:56, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose poor stub, story is not of particular note. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 16:44, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Update I was just listening to the latest BBC report. They said that the main pipeline is still shut, that there is no date yet for resumption and that President Biden has declared a state of emergency. This seems to be a bigger deal than the current top blurbs -- the bombing of a school and the collapse of a bridge. The latter was a week ago now so, as usual, ITN is not keeping up with what's actually in the news. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:24, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
    Actually, at least part of the problem is that it's a crap stub. And I don't recall standards for inclusion being on a sliding scale depending on the age of the material in the ITN template, but perhaps I missed that discussion and community consensus. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 20:43, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support This is a big deal given the circumstances. It has the potential to economically impact the US -- -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 17:43, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
    • Gas prices will go up by $0.20 a gallon. That's about it. Any further speculation on potential economic impact is WP:CRYSTALBALL and contingent on a continued shutdown after the end of the week. --WaltCip-(talk) 19:19, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
      And an increase by $0.21/gallon would set a record for most expensive petrol in the United States. osunpokeh (talk) 04:28, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
      Prices go up. So what? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:49, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
    • To note - it's affecting airports as well - it's a primary source (because it's basically brand new information, but it's the airline saying itself that it's due to the pipeline) but one AA flights from CLT-Europe and a long-haul flight CLT-Hawaii have diversions planned en-route to pick up more fuel (or possibly to pick up fuel to tank it back to CLT). This twitter thread has the screenshot of the flight data that AA put in directly for the reason for the stop, and this (unreliable source afaik) has more information. Just saying, this should be left open for another few days at least as it certainly has the potential to impact more industries than just auto fuel. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 23:46, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
      Now covered by multiple reliable sources (including reuters, cnbc) and officially confirmed by the company that the stops are because of fuel supply issues at Charlotte Douglas International Airport. I'm going to work on adding this to the article on it, and I don't think at all that this should be part of the blurb, but it's not just "gas prices will go up by 20 cents a gallon" - it is having impacts on multiple sectors other than just the automotive gasoline industry. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 01:39, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
      Breathless reliable source coverage does not equate to actual newsworthiness. WaltCip-(talk) 13:10, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support for having significant coverage in the news. Einsof (talk) 00:54, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support This has resulted in a formal state of emergency, so I think WP:N is well satisfied here. The article is okay.130.233.213.199 (talk) 05:39, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment this has already dropped out of the top eleven news stories on BBC News' world homepage. If this happened in any other country on planet Earth it'd just be an inconvenience, but in the US it's a "state of emergency". Give us strength. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:48, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
Oppose per Rambling Man's comment. Just a minor disturbance, gas price hike is common. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 16:46, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose if this wasn't in the US, this nom would have been snow closed by now. No evidence that it is important enough for ITN, or that there will be any lasting impact (for more than a few days) of it. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:59, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Per Joseph2302. Alsoriano97 (talk) 10:11, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support - Significant news, and it's having a domino effect on many states. STSC (talk) 14:35, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

(Posted; ongoing updates) Jerusalem clashes[edit]

Article: 2021 Jerusalem clashes (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Clashes in Jerusalem at the Al-Aqsa Mosque leave hundreds of Palestinians and more that 20 Israeli police injured. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​The Israel Police storm the Al-Aqsa Mosque ahead of Jerusalem Day marches, amid clashes that have left hundreds injured.
Alternative blurb II: Clashes in Jerusalem at the Al-Aqsa Mosque leave hundreds of Palestinians injured and more than 20 Palestinians dead, as well as more than 20 Israeli police injured.
News source(s): AP BBC Guardian, Reuters, dpa
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Worldwide front page news. Shaping up to be a major escalation in a long saga of conflict. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 08:06, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

  • Tentative support but the article is a bit short. The intro could be expanded as well. --Tone 08:58, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
Tone, I have expanded the lead beyond a sentence. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 09:12, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Weak support because the article is too short for read. I think if i strongly support, i would prefer Altblurb instead. 36.77.95.215 (talk) 09:02, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose disaster stub. There are no details about the storming of the mosque (number of officers, time of day, what was going on inside, what prompted them to take that building in the first place, what damage was done to it, did they occupy it or just leave afterwards, was there a specific target in mind and was that target achieved), the rest of the article has nonspecific comments about clashes but no basic where, when, who types of details. 136 people across all of Jerusalem? Was there city wide rioting or were the police picking up random Palestinians? "Further clashes followed at the Al-Aqsa mosque" clashes with who? Were random Israelis just loitering at an important Islamic holy site looking for a fight? --LaserLegs (talk) 10:01, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
As the person who has added most of what you're referring to, very little information of the sort you're asking for currently exists. If you can find sourced information that would benefit the reader, please, add it to the article. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 10:04, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
If very little of that information exists, then maybe there ought not be an article for it. --LaserLegs (talk) 10:16, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
And this is not AllegedlyHuman's fault but is a common problem with breaking event articles like this: international reaction sections should not be including simple quotes from countries that express sympathy or similar types of language. Every reasonable country is going to issue a statement about these disasters, and they stick out (particularly when MOS:FLAGS are used) like sore thumbs. If countries are actually helping (for example, in the KRI Nanggala (402) search and recovery, several countries outside Indonesia are stated to helped, this should clearly be documented. Or if a country does simply give a statement and that prompts some significant reaction, that can be documented as well. But it can be expected that generally, no country is going to be an ass and is going to offer sympathy for losses of human live and tradegy and these sections do not really help our articles. --Masem (t) 13:37, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment – Widely covered but complicated and difficult to comprehend. Wider significance may be doubted. – Sca (talk) 13:12, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Article is well referenced, and while short does hit all of the important parts. Some expansion of the narrative is welcome, but it's good enough for posting. Would prefer the original blurb. --Jayron32 14:20, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support on significance, neutral on quality this is a major story that is garnering significant reactions from world leaders. The article quality is fine in terms of citing sources, but I find the article's explanation of why the clashes are happening lacking. If it's not fixed before I'm off of work, I'll see if I can do something about that. NorthernFalcon (talk) 14:56, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
Too much flag salad for my taste. – Sca (talk) 15:37, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support - major escalation of this conflict.BabbaQ (talk) 15:49, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support A significant event and the article is about what 2021 Baghdad hospital fire was at when it was put into ITN. --Aknell4 (talkcontribs) 16:15, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Significant development, article quality is decent. Hrodvarsson (talk) 19:39, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support This is an extremely significant escalation drawing international attention. The article does need a lot more background on the events though. Blade Jogger 2049 Talk 19:48, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Events in the last 12 hours clearly are pushing this to importance. (Still have my reservations on the international reactions section but there's enough in the rest of the article to support). --Masem (t) 19:55, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Weak oppose on quality The background and reaction sections are both individually longer, more detailed, better written, than the part which should be the substance: what is happening. And a lot is happening, but the article doesn't reflect that. Kingsif (talk) 20:17, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Yes, its true that this has happened before. But the ITN is because there has been a significant increase in clashes after a period of relative stability. Albertaont (talk) 20:35, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted – Muboshgu (talk) 20:44, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Post-posting commentAP and BBC on Monday quote Gaza "health officials" saying at least 20 people, including nine children, were killed in Israeli airstrikes. – Sca (talk) 21:35, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Post-posting comment update to alt blurb 2 212.74.201.233 (talk) 22:00, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
  • * Post-posting comment The current blurb is misleading. It seems to suggest that 20 people were killed at Al-Aqsa in Jerusalem, but the deaths happened in subsequent clashes in Gaza. The blurb should be clarified. 142.117.9.52 (talk) 00:42, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Post-posting comment Change the blurb, it is absurdly misleading. Something like "20 Palestinians are killed in Israeli air strikes after clashes at the Al-Aqsa Mosque" would be fine. Mlb96 (talk) 03:15, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Post-posting comment The blurb as currently phrased is offensively misleading fake news - it implies that the Palestinians who were killed were killed in the clashes in Jerusalem (there are various reputable sources that can attest to the local police's - both Jewish and Arab - restraint regarding the protests, and the efforts to avoid casualties). The Palestinians who were killed were killed in Israeli air strikes in Gaza after Hamas fired rockets on Israel, including on Jerusalem. 87.68.252.89 (talk) 04:53, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Nom comment Yes, the blurb on MP is incorrect – 20 were not killed at the mosque. I do not know who added altblurb 2 or why that one was selected but it is inaccurate. Given the nature of the topic a fix ASAP is advised. Pinging WP:ERRORS. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 05:01, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • This is FAKE news. FAKE, WRONG, news. Rockets were fired at Israel from Gaza, people in Israel were injured. Israel responded with airstrikes in Gaza. People in Gaza were killed. Nobody was killed in Jerusalem.TotallyAbrupt (talk) 05:36, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Two comments - (1) notwithstanding the embarrassing error that we posted to the main page as highlighted above, I think the blurb should still be amended to make mention of the subsequent development of Hamas firing at Israel and Israel firing at Gaza with loss of life;[1] and (2) the blurb is still misleading, because it implies that all the clashes were at the Al-Aqsa mosque, when in fact the injuries happened "across Jerusalem" (in the words of the article).  — Amakuru (talk) 08:26, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
    Update: I've now added "and elsewhere in" before Jerusalem, to correct the second point.  — Amakuru (talk) 08:35, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
    @Amakuru: The problem with adding "elsewhere" is that the existing "more than 20 Israeli police officers" part was specifically from sources for the mosque. Sure, it's still "more than", but I doubt we'll ever get an accurate cumulative count for "elsewhere". This blurb is fast becoming unwieldy without identifying the scope of what news we are blurbing about for this wide-ranging article.—Bagumba (talk) 08:53, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
    Well, the "at the mosque and elsewhere" clause does also include the state of affairs where one facet of the incident was exclusively at the mosque. I certainly see it as an improvement on the outright erroneous text that I amended. To be honest, it's almost getting to the point where we might consider pulling this and rethinking what it should say from scratch, because it's fast becoming a comedy of errors. (And to some extent this was the worry that LaserLegs was trying to convey above - the article itself doesn't seem to entirely make clear what the scope was and what the most noteworthy aspects were).  — Amakuru (talk) 09:34, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
    The blurb started "​Clashes in Jerusalem at the Al-Aqsa Mosque leave ..." It's OK if the blurb limits mention to a fact that occured at Al-Aqsa Mosque. That's an editorial decision on what is blurb-worthy. The blurb did notsay that clashes were exclusively at the mosque. We could widen the blurb's scope, as the actual article covers more than just the mosque (no comment on what the actual article should cover). However, that really should be driven by consensus.—Bagumba (talk) 10:06, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Reworded I have boldly changed the wording on this to reflect the aftermath of the Israeli airstrikes as a result of the clashes. That's clearly what the media has focused on. I will profess my wording is likely not best but felt it needed to be changed as clearly the import of the story has drastically shifted from what was originally posted. --Masem (t) 13:09, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
    @Masem: Israeli air-strikes following clashes at the Al-Aqsa Mosque ... omits Hamas firing rockets into Israel. Looking rather unbalanced.[2]Bagumba (talk) 13:37, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
    Added to account for that (+2 deaths from NYTimes), also dealt with a wording order from errors. --Masem (t) 13:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • information Clashes on the Israel-Gaza border: Two women were killed in Ashkelon and several people were injured after Hamas opened heavy rocket fire on southern Israel. Hundreds of rockets have been fired at Israel since May 10, including a barrage of 7 rockets into the Jerusalem area, in parallel with the riots in Jerusalem. In response to the shooting, the IAF attacked a number of targets in the Gaza Strip, as part of a military operation called the "Wall Guard" (The Times of Israel) ידידיה צ' צבאן (talk) 16:43, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment As it's posted on the main page, please, add links there to Operation Guardian of the Walls and Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, like this:
Israeli air-strikes and Hamas militant missile launches kill at least 26 people and injure hundreds more following clashes at the Al-Aqsa Mosque (pictured) and elsewhere in Jerusalem.

--Triggerhippie4 (talk) 17:30, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

May 9[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology


RD: Karl-Günther von Hase[edit]

Article: Karl-Günther von Hase (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): FAZ and others
Credits:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Died age 103. Had, after military in World War II, a long career as spokesman for the German Federal Government under 3 chancellors, ambassador to the UK, and a short career as head of the ZDF tv, but that's what he is known for. Had a sad stub of an article. There could be more (especially life after ZDF, from 1982 that is) but I need a break. Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:49, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

  • Support Looks good and well-cited. Good job Gerda.--Vacant0 (talk) 16:07, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support article definitely good enough for RD. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:10, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Weak support Would like to see more info about his 7-year role as ambassador to the UK and a little more depth as mentioned by the nominator, but what's there meets minimum standards. SpencerT•C 18:33, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

2021 World Women's Curling Championship[edit]

Article: 2021 World Women's Curling Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​Switzerland's Silvana Tirinzoni wins the World Women's Curling Championship, becoming only the fifth skip to win back-to-back Women's Championships. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​Switzerland's Silvana Tirinzoni wins the World Women's Curling Championship, defeating Russia's Alina Kovaleva in the final.
Alternative blurb II: ​The Swiss team lead by Silvana Tirinzoni wins the World Women's Curling Championship, only the fifth time a team has won back-to-back Women's Championships.
News source(s): TSN, Sportsnet
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Highest level curling tournament besides the Olympics. Winning back-to-back championships is rare. A202985 (talk) 17:14, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

  • Support article is quality (in terms of citations), and this is a top-level championship for an international sport. Prefer original blurb, then alt blurb I if we're not going with the original. NorthernFalcon (talk) 02:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose on quality, undecided how much to factor the subject's significance. Very liitle write-up on the final, aside from a couple of sentences in the lead. Be good to have some background on Russia's path to the final. Zero prose on bronze medal.Bagumba (talk) 02:46, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
    Article has since been expanded. It'd be better to move the final and bronze medal game details to their respective sections, leaving only brief mention in the lead.—Bagumba (talk) 06:31, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • None of the blurbs seems good. The championship is won by the team, not by the skip, so blurb and Alt are not good. Alt2 is better, but "only the fifthe time something happens" is not really that remarkable after 42 or so editions. In fact, a "team" (meaning Switzerland or Canada" has won back-to-back titles more often than 5 times (Canada even won 4 in a row), I suppose it is only the fifth time with the same skip? I would use a variation of Alt1: "The Swiss team lead by Silvana Tirinzoni wins the World Women's Curling Championship, defeating Russia in the final" (with a link to the Russian team added probably). Fram (talk) 09:22, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
    i also agree with not mentioning the back-to-back victories, as doing so could be considered sensationalism. the russian team should probably be mentioned, but please note that, in this tournament, the russian athletes were representing the russian curling federation, and not russia, in accordance with a ruling associated with the russian doping scandal. as a result, the phrase "defeating Russia" may be technically incorrect, while i am assuming that "defeating the Russian team" may avoid the issue. dying (talk) 18:20, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose don't see why World Curling Championships are important enough to be on ITN. We didn't post the men's championships last month- where article quality is similar- so not sure why people think the women's ones are more important and ITN-worthy? Joseph2302 (talk) 10:23, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
....or maybe it just wasn't nominated and there is nothing nefarious going on here. 331dot (talk) 10:27, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
I still don't see why a World Curling Championship regardless of gender) is important enough for ITN. And nobody has yet demonstrated why that would be the case. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:28, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
nominator A202985 has mentioned that it is the "[h]ighest level curling tournament beside the Olympics", while NorthernFalcon notes that it is "a top-level championship for an international sport". dying (talk) 12:08, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
There are tons of sports with World Cups/World Championships which are the highest level of their sport- see Template:World championships in 2021. My concern is that if we start posting some sports World Championships, we may get overrun with nominations for other sports World Championships that are as equally important to their sports. I don't think the level of coverage of Curling World Championships makes it important enough for ITN, which is a view I'd hold for most sports World Championships on the template I listed. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:19, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
Not to argue against your viewpoint on this nomination, but one of the most common criticisms of ITN I see is that we don't post enough, not that we post too much. Being flooded with nominations and postings is a problem I would want to have. 331dot (talk) 14:27, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
Joseph2302, i think your concern is valid, and was also something i was considering when trying to determine my support for this nomination. i have watched curling before, but do not know enough about whether the sport is considered important enough to merit posting on itn.
i've since perused the discussions on the talk page and noticed that: (1) in order to increase the variety of competitions featured on itn, there is interest to add an esport tournament to itn/r if a worthy one can be identified; (b) all the blurbs currently featured are disaster blurbs; and (iii) itn/c could possibly benefit from more feminine input. seeing that this nomination adds more variety to what i understand has been posted before, is not considered a disaster (except maybe for the russian team), and deals with a women's championship, i think the topic is currently worthy of posting.
for now, i would hesitate to add the championship (or its male counterpart) to itn/r, echoing the concern that you mentioned. however, i think posting this year's championship can address some concerns currently being voiced on the talk page. dying (talk) 16:04, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • support, as noted in my lengthy time-wasting comment above, and because the quality exceeds minimum requirements. dying (talk) 16:04, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • question: what is the standard for mentioning runners-up in blurbs? is there one? dying (talk) 12:08, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
    In general, where the post is about a championship game, where one team or player defeats another in head-to-head competition, we often describe the event "In Super Bowl LXXXVIII the Cleveland Browns defeated the Carolina Panthers by a score of 53 to 32" or something like that. In the case of things like races, season champions determined by round robins, judged events like gymnastics, etc. etc. where there is not a clear 'head to head' game that determines the champion, we don't usually list the "also rans" who came in lower places. I'm not sure how curling is contested, I know that there are head-to-head matches, but I don't know if the champion is awarded to the team that wins the most matches in a round robin, or to the winner of a single championship match. It would matter which as to what typical convention we use. --Jayron32 16:26, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
    thanks for the thorough explanation, Jayron32. i had noticed that the boat race seemed to violate this standard, but i wasn't sure if this was because there were only two schools participating. in this curling tournament, i believe the championship has a final match that determines both first and second places, so i am assuming that mentioning the runner-up here is appropriate. dying (talk) 18:20, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support article quality is not bad for a sports article. While it is very table heavy, the prose in the article does cover the event sufficiently, with a large paragraph adequately describing the championship, refs look good. --Jayron32 12:21, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Weak oppose Article needs lede cleaned up with the prose about the championship moved to the section further down the page and other info moved to appropriate sections. At present, article is top heavy with all the prose at the top and dozens of tables following. If fixed, willing to Weak support. SpencerT•C 18:28, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Chadian victory over FACT[edit]

Article: Front for Change and Concord in Chad (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​The Chad National Army announces its victory over rebellious Front for Change and Concord in Chad. (Post)
News source(s): VOA, Al Jazeera
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: According to our article, FACT has been active since 2016 and involved in the death of President Idriss Déby which we posted. Brandmeistertalk 21:23, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment If this hasn't been independently confirmed yet, we run the risk of it being a Mission Accomplished moment. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 21:25, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose article for a rebel organization with zero history and a few short paragraphs isn't at all adequate. --LaserLegs (talk) 21:33, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
  • comment: source appears to mention that the military has had a mission accomplished moment regarding the rebels before. dying (talk) 22:41, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Wait per all.  – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 23:20, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Not in it's sparse yet WP:PROSELINE state.—Bagumba (talk) 00:39, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Bold links an org which has been active since 2016, whose article was created less than a month ago. I question how impactful they really were/are. Sources for this event are: a state-controlled source previously and openly engaged in propaganda (VoA), and a state-controlled source that one could say is INVOLVED (AJ - not cited in the article). This has to be a wait at the very least.130.233.213.199 (talk) 06:13, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
fact has been associated with the death of president déby, and the article on fact was created in 2016, so personally, i think they have been impactful enough. (i'm not sure if you're conflating the article on fact with the article on the northern chad offensive, which was created less than a month ago.) also, although i generally appreciate a healthy skepticism of sources, in this case, both sources provide virtually the same text, taken from reuters. (finding the differences between them is interesting, though.) reuters has since updated their article to report the fact that fact "said it was not aware of an end to the fighting", implying that this may be another mission accomplished moment. dying (talk) 09:20, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Medina Spirit drug positive[edit]

Article: Medina Spirit (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Kentucky Derby winner Medina Spirit faces potential disqualification after failing post-race drug testing. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Kentucky Derby winner Medina Spirit fails post-race drug testing.
News source(s): ESPN, Washington Post, BBC, BloodHorse, AP
Credits:

Nominator's comments: The Kentucky Derby is one of America's most significant thoroughbred races and the first leg of the Triple CrownJRHorse (talk) 15:48, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

  • Wait until the definitive outcome, but otherwise this is a rather curious story. We did post high-level doping incidents so I'd support it. --Tone 15:51, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
  • This may be just an update to the current blurb if it is still up there if this is confirmed. --Masem (t) 15:55, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
    • Altblurb added. JRHorse (talk) 15:57, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
      • Would the win go to the second-placed horse? In which case that might need to go on the ITNR listing. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 16:26, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
        • That's what I assume we're waiting on for the officiating body to decide if they will nullify the win, and reaward it to #2, or simply not award it, or call for a new race. --Masem (t) 16:32, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
          • From the racetrack: "To be clear, if the findings are upheld, Medina Spirit's results in the Kentucky Derby will be invalidated and Mandaloun will be declared the winner."[3]Bagumba (talk) 17:04, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Wait until test results are upheld.—Bagumba (talk) 16:39, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Wait until the horse is disqualified. 331dot (talk) 21:57, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Wait per all.  – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 23:32, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Wait until horse is DQ'ed, then add to current blurb (with new winner) and bump. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 02:59, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
    If it comes to be, a new blurb would need to be posted as the old one is off the MP now.—Bagumba (talk) 07:52, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

(Closed) 2021 London mayoral election[edit]

Reclosing Sca's SNOW close. Very clear this will not be posted. --Masem (t) 15:57, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: 2021 London mayoral election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​At the 2021 London mayoral election, incumbent mayor Sadiq Khan (pictured) is re-elected (Post)
News source(s): Telegraph
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Election for mayor of the capital of the United Kingdom  The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 06:11, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
  • I believe we never post mayoral election, regardless of the city. --Tone 06:13, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
  • oppose. even if we did, and this election was to be judged on its own merits, the mayor remains unchanged, and khan's reëlection does not appear to have been under serious question. article is of decent quality, though. dying (talk) 06:52, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Local politics for the 37th-largest city in the world. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 07:05, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
    • That list stopped making sense when China juked their stats by folding the whole metropolitan area into the "city". Chongqing has a larger population than London, but with an "area" of 22,000 sqkm it's bigger than the entire South East Region of the UK. --LaserLegs (talk) 10:06, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose We never post local elections. Alsoriano97 (talk) 07:20, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose because of local elections. 110.137.161.129 (talk) 09:53, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment the OP has not marked this as ITN/R, and "we never post local elections" is not codified anywhere at WP:ITN. Lets just judge it on it's own merits, such as Dying did above. I'd say "we never post local elections" opposes should be discounted for the purposes of evaluating consensus or closure. If that camp would like to codify such a clause, head over to WT:ITN --LaserLegs (talk) 09:58, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
No one has claimed it is codified anywhere(and I would oppose doing so) but it is fair to say as a general practice we don't usually post such a local election. I can't recall when we have, at least. 331dot (talk) 10:36, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose - The nominator will have to point out the significance of this election before we consider it. STSC (talk) 11:02, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment I'm re-opening this. London is an Alpha++ Global city and while I'm not convinced on the "significance" here there is absolutely no criteria at all anywhere that says mayoral elections are "inadmissible". Let this discussion play out, and if someone wants to ban local elections, head over to WT:ITN and kick off an RFC. --LaserLegs (talk) 14:57, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
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Bayern Munich wins 2020-21 Bundesliga[edit]

Article: 2020-21 Bundesliga (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​In association football, Bayern Munich wins the 2020-21 Bundesliga season, their 9th consecutive and 30th overall Bundesliga title. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, CNN, The Athletic, SI
Credits:

Article updated

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: I know there's been discussion in the past as to whether we nominate a soccer champion at the moment when they can no longer mathematically be caught, or when the season is over, but I believe the last time this was blurbed was at the mathematical point, so I'm nominating this now. NorthernFalcon (talk) 18:26, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment: Outside of a section on COVID, there is minimal prose in the article body. Some kind of prose season summary outside the lede would be needed. SpencerT•C 18:46, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment correct European grammar would be Bayern Munich win the 2020-21 Bundesliga. Also, not sure if we need season, and the stats seem superfluous. And the link should avoid redirects probably. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:53, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

(Ready) RD: Curtis Fuller[edit]

Article: Curtis Fuller (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NPR
Credits:

Article updated

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 Bloom6132 (talk) 03:26, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

  • Support The article looks well-cited, even the discography sections. rawmustard (talk) 14:57, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Slim but meets minimum depth standards; marking ready. SpencerT•C 18:18, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Theodore Katsanevas[edit]

Article: Theodore Katsanevas (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): To Vima
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Greek politician, dies from COVID-19. Article seems pretty ready, at least after a quick review. Alsoriano97 (talk) 13:10, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

  • Support Good depth of coverage, referenced. SpencerT•C 17:46, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 18:15, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

RD: Helmut Jahn[edit]

Article: Helmut Jahn (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Chicago Tribune, Chicago Sun-Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Internationally famed German architect. Killed in Chicago bicycling accident at 81. CoatCheck (talk) 23:00, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment: Still plenty of citing needed - I am working on some, but everybody is welcome to jump in. KConWiki (talk) 01:46, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

RD: Pete du Pont[edit]

Article: Pete du Pont (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former governor of Delaware. Tagged for years and needs work. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 17:35, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) Kabul school bombing[edit]

Article: 2021 Kabul school bombing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​A bombing near a school in Kabul, Afghanistan kills at least sixty and injures 150. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​In Afghanistan, a bombing near a school in Kabul kills at least 68 and injures 165.
News source(s): NYTimes, CNN, AP, Reuters
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Article needs clear expansion prior to posting. Masem (t) 16:20, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

  • Support – in principle, with the usual caveat regarding expansion of article. Reuters at 16:30 said at least 68. – Sca (talk) 16:34, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
  • comment: i had suggested a merge here and here when there were two articles about the same bombing, but the merge appears to have been performed imperfectly when there was no consensus for the target, and i feel that the article which had been made into a redirect had more detail. dying (talk) 17:14, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
    • I've merged in some of the content from the Sayed Ul-Shuhada school bombing article (before it was redirected). --Masem (t) 17:40, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support - easily important enough & the article is now good enough to post. Jim Michael (talk) 18:35, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Afghanistan has had several terrorist bombings this year, but this is the biggest one so far. NorthernFalcon (talk) 18:40, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support High death toll even for ill-fated Afghanistan. Brandmeistertalk 19:04, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose quintessential disaster stub. The only detail about the attack is that it happened. No idea on the size of the explosive, the type of vehicle, structural damage, emergency response, law enforcement response, nothing. This should be a paragraph in 2021 Afghanistan attacks not a standalone article. I'm surprised it's not already been posted. I'll add a map. --LaserLegs (talk) 21:38, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose on quality of content with sparse "Background" section. At a minimum, resurgence of the Taliban, relationship of Taliban with Hazaras and their views on education for girls is missing.[4] The topic at least seems in the news as it's the first story on NYTimes.com right now.—Bagumba (talk) 06:09, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
    Section now expanded.—Bagumba (talk) 09:41, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support altburb Sufficient quality and breadth in new, dedicated article on event that is in the world news.—Bagumba (talk) 09:41, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Posting. --Tone 11:18, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Bo[edit]

Article: Bo (dog) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): 6ABC, People, TODAY
Credits:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former presidential pet. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 19:14, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

  • Support – seems to well sourced Vacant0 (talk) 20:26, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose citations missing. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 20:34, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Weak Support while some citations may be missing, it is well sourced. 110.137.161.129 (talk) 20:43, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Added refs to tagged paragraphs and Section on kidnap plot so concerns all look to be addressed now JW 1961 Talk 20:50, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted. I've been working my way up the ITN/C page, and it seems the dog is the first RD entry that's been improved enough to post. Man's best friend indeed...  — Amakuru (talk) 21:35, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Post-posting support - well done on the improvements. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 03:39, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Post-posting comment – Bo-wow. ZZZzzzz. – Sca (talk) 13:01, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

May 7[edit]

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Science and technology

  • A whole-genome study confirms the existence of four distinct species of giraffes, corroborating the conclusions of a 2016 DNA study; previously, it was believed that all giraffes were members of a single species. The study also supports the existence of seven subspecies of giraffes. (Sci-News)

Sports

  • UEFA reveals that nine of the 12 association football clubs that planned to participate in the suspended European Super League proposal agree, through a "club commitment declaration", to financial sanctions imposed by the governing body. This includes a five percent cut in their revenue for one season. Only Barcelona, Juventus, and Real Madrid did not sign the declaration, although UEFA has committed to "take appropriate action" against clubs still committed to the Super League. (IOL)

(Posted) RD: Courtenay Bartholomew[edit]

Article: Courtenay Bartholomew (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Trinidad Guardian
Credits:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article updated with his death but was already in quite decent condition already. Subject was a notable HIV researcher in Trinidad, and also an author on religious books.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:31, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment - thanks for nominating this, Amakuru. He was quite a notable figure regionally. I probably shouldn't !vote on this, but I do think the article is in good enough shape for the main page. Guettarda (talk) 12:29, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support – well-referenced; meets minimum ITN requirements. —Bloom6132 (talk) 12:30, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 17:44, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Shamim Hanafi[edit]

Article: Shamim Hanafi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Daily Jang, Urdu
Credits:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article updated. Subject was a known figure in the Urdu literature. Will be updating further at the availability of new sources. So far, everything in the article is sourced. ─ The Aafī (talk) 01:07, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

  • Support looks good. --Gazal world (talk) 16:33, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support It might need some copyediting. -Nizil (talk) 13:47, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose for now - there's a long gap in the biography section, between 1976 and 2010... personally I did a huge number of things between those two years, and most likely Mr Hanafi did too!  — Amakuru (talk) 21:33, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
    Amakuru, addressed. ─ The Aafī (talk) 01:23, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted. Alright, thanks TheAafi for the update.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:32, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

RD: Tawny Kitaen[edit]

Article: Tawny Kitaen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American actress known for "Bachelor Party". Article looks OK, but might need some work. KingOfAllThings (thou shalt chatter!) 00:06, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

  • Oppose. Lots of uncited statements in the prose, as well as in the filmography unfortunately.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:20, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Cruz Reynoso[edit]

Article: Cruz Reynoso (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): LA Times
Credits:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: First Latino to serve on the California Supreme Court. Sourcing looks fine. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 05:01, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

  • Support. Looks decent to me, well sourced and lots of detail. Marking as ready. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 12:22, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 17:43, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Karl Wirsum[edit]

Article: Karl Wirsum (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Chicago Sun-Times; ARTnews
Credits:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 01:06, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

  • Support. Looks good, marking as ready.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:25, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 17:28, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) Attempted assassination of Mohamed Nasheed[edit]

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Article: Mohamed Nasheed (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​Speaker of the Maldives People's Majlis Mohamed Nasheed (pictured) is hospitalized in critical condition due to a car bomb in Malé. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​Speaker of the Maldives People's Majlis Mohamed Nasheed (pictured) and four others are injured in a car bombing.
Alternative blurb II: Maldives speaker of parliament and former president Mohamed Nasheed (pictured) is injured with four others in a car bombing in Malé.
News source(s): BBC, Reuters, AP, Straits Times
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: He is the president who held an underwater cabinet meeting. This bombing has been added to his article, but there is also Draft:Attempted assassination of Mohamed NasheedJoofjoof (talk) 15:20, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

  • Tentative support, he is currently holding an important political position. Not sure if a separate article is needed, there already is a paragraph in the main one. I'd suggest a fork if there are other significant consequences. --Tone 15:56, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support on the merits; an attack against a sitting governmental leader. 331dot (talk) 17:21, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
  • comment: i don't think the draft is necessary, but i don't think it's a bad draft, and it should be easily able to surpass the fuzhou standard with a bit of work. also, the investigation and aftermath will almost certainly expand the new article. the update in the body of the speaker's article currently appears to be one long paragraph with one source. dying (talk) 17:45, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
    • Can we get some more input here? I'm willing to post when I see some more feedback. --Tone 08:50, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support article is surprisingly good though with a few gaps, full paragraph about the attacks is a bit light on details. --LaserLegs (talk) 10:12, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose He's an ex-president, somewhat diminishing the significance when this is only a page update. As far as quality, the update covers the blurb, but is missing his improved condition and suspects.[5].—Bagumba (talk) 10:55, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
    • He is the speaker of the legislative body, that is still a top-3 political position in the country. --Tone 11:16, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
    • And his presidency ended in a coup. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:19, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
      • So? He is still a top-3 politician in the country. Or is this an endorsment from your side? I don't think we are discussing popularity here. --Tone 11:31, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
        • Moot now, but yes, an endorsement. The coup establishes some notability for this former president. --LaserLegs (talk) 10:45, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
    • Striking "oppose" after improved quality.—Bagumba (talk) 04:49, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Bagumba. Not a national leader, and the assassination attempt was unsuccessful. Not seeing the major long-term impact of this.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:10, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
That we cannot see the impact does not mean there won't be one. We posted the storming of the US Capitol which was an attempt to assassinate Mike Pence, Nancy Pelosi, and others, even though it was unsuccessful. 331dot (talk) 12:17, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
He is a national leader, the leader of his country's legislature. 331dot (talk) 12:18, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
That's not a national leader, since the country has a presidential system. And it's not really comparable to the storming of the US capitol. If the Maldives legislature were stormed in similar fashion I'd support, but this is currently a "terrorist" incident by unknown attackers, with no deaths. We shouldn't make a special case of it just because someone famous was involved.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:28, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
It is systemic bias to post the attempted assassination of the leaders of the US Congress but not the leader of the Maldives legislature. I respectfully but strongly disagree with your assessment. 331dot (talk) 13:50, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
The storming of the capitol was not primarily an attempted assassination. It was an attempt to seize control of the country's government buildings. Totally different. Considering that we regularly decline to post bombings around the world that kill in some cases 10 or even more people, the real systemic bias would be to singling out this incident which had no fatalities, and the main target making a recovery, just because he's a top bod in the legislature.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:27, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
Striking Oppose. I won't hold th is up it there's otherwise will in the community. Consider me a weak support, assuming the quality of the update is sufficient, which I haven't yet checked.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:34, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
Amakuru They had a gallows outside the Capitol and chanted "hang Mike Pence",source and were literally only feet from him before being lured away by a clever police officer. Prosecutors are saying the primary goal was to kill elected officials. source. Just FYI. 331dot (talk) 18:42, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support if someone is high-profile enough to be considered an assassination attempt rather than attempted murder, then the attempt is probably high-profile enough for a blurb. While the Maldives has seen assassination attempts in the past, I don't think once every six years or so is too frequent to deny this a blurb. NorthernFalcon (talk) 15:02, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support for receiving significant news coverage and having an updated article. Einsof (talk) 01:04, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment Still no page updates using latest sources on arrested suspects and him being off life support. Latest source in article is 3 days old.—Bagumba (talk) 01:29, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
    • checkY Your link has been added, and seems to be the latest non-Maldivian source. Nasheed is still in intensive care; the "prime suspect" has been arrested, but the police are still looking for accomplices. Joofjoof (talk) 03:59, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support In the spirit of more fresh content on ITN, the quality of the page—both the update itself and overall—combined with being ex-president, merit a post. Recommend alt blurb II, as most sources refer to him primarlily as being the ex-president. The wording follows Reuters' "Maldives speaker of parliament and former president",[6] which is also in line with our MOS:JOBTITLES; "People's Majlis" is a bit obscure and less accessible.—Bagumba (talk) 04:49, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted by Amakuru.—Bagumba (talk) 09:07, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Yitzhak Arad[edit]

Article: Yitzhak Arad (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Yeshiva World ABC News both from the AP
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Article updated

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Nominator's comments: Soviet partisan and author, Israeli Holocaust historian, director Yad Vashem 73.81.124.98 (talk) 19:10, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

  • Support. I was actually about to nominate this myself. The article seems in fairly good form. —Brigade Piron (talk) 09:37, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment: 1 CN to address then this is good to go. SpencerT•C 17:06, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted to RD. CN addressed. SpencerT•C 17:09, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Jim Johnson (ice hockey, born 1942)[edit]

Article: Jim Johnson (ice hockey, born 1942) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NHL.com; The Philadelphia Inquirer
Credits:

Article updated

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 Bloom6132 (talk) 07:47, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

  • Support Short but sufficient, well referenced. --Jayron32 12:17, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 17:05, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

2021 Rio de Janeiro shootout[edit]

Article: 2021 Rio de Janeiro shootout (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​At least 28 people are killed in a shootout between the police and drug traffickers in Rio de Janeiro. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, AP, Guardian, Reuters
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: This is reportedly the deadliest police operation in the city for years. Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:19, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

  • A question I would have if the 25 people killed (excluding the officers) were all part of the drug ring or if this included bystanders. As while 25 deaths is rather "big", if they were all members of that drug ring would make this less of a "tragedy", while if those 25 included civilians, that makes it something far more significant. I read there were two civilian injuries on the metro, but that's not as major yet. Perhaps more detail is needed. --Masem (t) 19:27, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
    • Yes. If there are reliable sources on how many of them were drug traffickers and civilians, we should adjust blurb accordingly. Brandmeistertalk 21:07, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
      • Going off the Reuters source, "The victims included one police officer, and the remainder were suspected members of the drug-trafficking gang that dominated life in the slum, including some of its leaders, police said." (eg no innocent lives were taken, thankfully). However I think the emphasis on the wreckless nature of this shootout needs to be better reflected in the article and the blurb for this to be posted as this is what is being called out. If the same event happened, but it was all confined to a drug warehouse, likely it would not be as significant a story. It is a story because the police actively chased down and shot at these drug people through favelas and put innocents at risk, which is the story, not so much that 25 drug dealers + connected people were killed. --Masem (t) 04:03, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support in principle, oppose in reality at least until it's expanded beyond a stub. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:41, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment you can expand the article without any new information and get it posted by following the User:LaserLegs/Disasterstub template. --LaserLegs (talk) 20:38, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
I added quite a bit of filler to bulk it up. The AP wire story has a few more details if someone has time to fill in the shooting section else I'll try to get to it later. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:35, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
There I think that'll do it. --LaserLegs (talk) 00:12, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
WP:POINT  Nixinova T  C   02:54, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support in principle. These are great news that don't happen every moment. But I will only support 100% until the article is no longer a stub. MSN12102001 (talk) 20:43, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support in principle – Per previous. – Sca (talk) 22:00, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose article quality For a borderline stub, it looks WP:ORish when the "Background" section is backed exclusively by sources not directly tied to the current event. For breaking news, I expect the current sources to be the initial framers of that perspective.—Bagumba (talk) 02:20, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Dog bites man. Police shoot criminals. Mlb96 (talk) 05:20, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Major police operation which resulted in a large death toll. It's historically notable. If this had happened in NYC, London, Paris, Sydney etc. rather than Rio, this discussion & the article would have quickly become much longer. It would be one of the world's biggest news stories. It would have been posted within a couple of hours & it's unlikely that anyone would have opposed it being posted. Jim Michael (talk) 08:06, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose for now on quality. The "Background" section is not background for this article, it's a random collection of outdated (14+year old) statistics about crime in Brazil that has little relevance to the incident in question. If we take that out (as we should) then we have a stub with little more information than the blurb would contain. We need some cleanup and expansion before this is main-page ready. --Jayron32 12:20, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
Some of it is relevant. It needs to be improved, not removed. I added the 2010 Rio de Janeiro security crisis to that section. What sort of info do you think should be added to the shootout article? Jim Michael (talk) 13:25, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
Of EXTREMELY marginal relevance, especially given that the text you added says "There was a crisis in 2010". Really? What was the crisis? What were the details? Most importantly: How did it lead to the events in question? The section is still a bunch of outdated, random, national crime statistics. That's not background information. Here's what IS relevant background information:
What is the name of the gang or gangs involved. What is some of their history? How were they organized? How did they come to work in this part of Rio de Janeiro? What were some of their prior interactions with law enforcement? What about the police force in question? What prior interactions have they had with this gang? What have they done in the past to deal with this gang? Other similar gangs? What has led to the growth of drug use in this neighborhood in Rio de Janeiro? What caused it to escalate? This is not an exhaustive list of things I'd expect to see, but a good sampling of some possible avenues to go with expanding the background section. Not "There was a crisis 11 years ago. Here's some random national crime stats from 14 years ago". That's not useful information. --Jayron32 14:01, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
A lot of that info - which would be useful - hasn't been reported by RS. The crisis is relevant because it was about violence in Rio between drug-dealing gangs and the authorities. Jim Michael (talk) 14:23, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
Well, then, maybe we don't have an article worth posting on the main page. --Jayron32 14:25, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
How can a controversial shootout, with a death toll of 25, which has been responded to with a protest & criticism by orgs & notable people, not be worthy of ITN? Many readers will be interested, but not yet aware that it happened. The info that you suggest will be added to the article as RS release it. Jim Michael (talk) 14:37, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
You're not responding to the thing I said. You're inventing, in your mind, something I didn't say, and then responding to the thing you invented. What I said was, we don't have an article worth posting on the main page. Let me say it again, in case you missed the important word. A R T I C L E. I didn't say the event wasn't important, or worth informing people about. I said the article was not good enough to post to the main page. Make the article good enough and the article will be posted on the main page. If the article cannot be made better than the article will not be put up in ITN. I have said nothing about the event. I have said the article is not good enough. Comprendez? --Jayron32 15:51, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
See my comments above: the reason this is getting attention is not that this was another drug raid, but that the police allowed the gun fight to run rampant through civilian homes, and they are being called out by many humanitarian groups for this. That should be a focus, more than two lines in reaction. --Masem (t) 13:28, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
You're saying that the Reactions section should be the longest part of the article? Jim Michael (talk) 13:33, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
I'm not sure if it should be the longest, but it should be far more than two lines presently. Obviously the details of the shootout are still required, but as I said, if this was the same scale of event but isolated to a warehouse and no innocents were at risk, this would be a yawner of a headline. --Masem (t) 13:46, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
It would then have received significantly less media coverage, but it'd still easily be notable enough for an article. Jim Michael (talk) 13:55, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
Right and it wouldn't have been notable for ITN. It's being considered at ITN as widespread media coverage is focused on the fact there was a rampant gunfight through civilian homes that the police seemed to have no regard for in conducting this raid, not that the police killed 25 drug dealers. --Masem (t) 14:00, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment the background section may be dated, but it's sourced and relevant and I explained why in the talk page in response to Jayron32. Either way, I've done as much as I'm going to do to the article. Post it or not. Have a good weekend! --LaserLegs (talk) 17:30, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
    You've said the words "it's relevant". Saying those words does not make it so. It's just not. I want this article to be posted to, but I'm not willing to compromise on quality standards to do so. We're not just putting any shit article on the main page just to make sure the topic makes ITN because some people find it important. You even called your own additions "filler" which were just added to "bulk" up the article. If it's just there to increase the word count, it's not relevant. I've explained in some detail why the inclusion of outdated, random national crime statistics is not relevant to an article about a specific police shootout in 2021. I've even told you how to add actual good information to the article. I don't know why you refuse to do so. --Jayron32 18:20, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
  • comment:
about six years ago, a shootout in the u.s., in which nine died and police were involved, was not posted.
about a week later, a shootout in mexico, in which forty-three died and police were involved, was posted.
also, i agree that the background information currently presented does not seem very pertinent. perhaps it would be appropriate to mention the police killing of a 14-year-old boy last may, which led to public condemnation during the george floyd protests in brazil and a subsequent ruling by the supreme federal court curtailing such raids in favelas during the pandemic, a ruling that apparently has been flouted since october. dying (talk) 18:31, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
That depends? Was the 14 year old being recruited to sell drugs? I added two sentences one about the rise in drug crime and one about the recruitment of children by gangs. The raid was conducted because police believed such recruiting was taking place. Waste our time with more off topic irrelevant garbage if you feel the need; I've done no such thing. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:03, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
i had suggested adding the information above to the article because i had seen reliable sources providing these facts as relevant background information, and had thought they would be appropriate for the article. if you do not feel the same, then i apologize for having wasted your time.
in the interest of full disclosure, i feel that i should mention that i have had personal experience with such raids in brazil when military police boarded a bus i was on with guns drawn in order to apprehend a suspected drug runner. i apologize for not having mentioned this earlier, as it had not occurred to me to mention it until i was trying to understand why i had felt that the background information currently provided in the article was not very pertinent, while you did. i do not know if the experience has given me a viewpoint that is not as neutral as i would have hoped to adopt.
however, regardless of whether the currently provided statistics are relevant to the article, i currently echo Bagumba's concern regarding the possible wp:or violation as a result of providing such statistics. many of the reliable sources appear to be skeptical of the claims made by the police and the government, and the reason for the raid that the police had provided, that children were being recruited by a drug trafficking gang, is suspected to be a pretext. perhaps this source and this source are more forthcoming about this skepticism.
i believe the 14-year-old boy that was killed last may had nothing to do with drugs, and that was one of the reasons why there was such an outcry over the killing. similarly, it is suspected that not all of those killed in this raid were suspects, and the circumstances of this incident have led the un's human rights office to call for an independent investigation.
ultimately, i think there's a story here, but i'm worried that the article is currently not telling it properly. dying (talk) 18:51, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support on significance, oppose on quality at the moment. Hrodvarsson (talk) 20:04, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support on significance and on quality. While shootouts are common in Brazil, what is uncommon is the death toll and the nature of this shootout. I support on quality because I think the orange tag is not valid. NorthernFalcon (talk) 04:29, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose on quality As of writing, page still has an orange tag. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 04:40, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Isn't it quite normal in Rio de Janeiro? STSC (talk) 14:46, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

(Closed) Jersey fishing dispute[edit]

Consensus not to post. --Tone 06:27, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
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Article: 2021 Jersey dispute (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): (AP News) (Reuters)
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Still on-going, so a blurb wouldn’t be right and would just change multiple times. Elijahandskip (talk) 14:14, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
Oppose ongoing, would support blurb. According to the infobox, and the lead, it has been going on for 1 day, since 5 May. The article was created on 21:03, May 5, 2021‎. Given the relatively short lifespan of the article, and the short duration of the dispute, it does not qualify as an "ongoing" story in either sense (a long-term story and an article that receives frequent, quality updates). The article on its own is in good enough shape, and the story is being covered by the news, so I don't see why we couldn't put this into blurb form, but this is not what ongoing is for. --Jayron32 14:19, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support blurb and oppose ongoing for now per Jayron. This is a notable dispute and the article is in good shape. Once a blurb is posted, we can move it to ongoing when it rolls off if it's still ongoing or update the blurb if the involved parties reach an agreement to solve the dispute.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:48, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose while this Monty Python sketch is well documented, we should probably wait for...well, something to happen before we consider posting. GreatCaesarsGhost 15:52, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose per GreatCaesarsGhost. Not enough of an event for ITN. Wizardoftheyear (talk) 16:20, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose for now, will support a blurb if the story develops further, but so far this is very minor news and nothing of note has happened. --Jbvann05 (talk) 17:08, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Seriously small-time sabre rattling given the onus of other problems in the world. Could develop into something more but far too soon for ITN. --Masem (t) 19:29, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Wait if the French blockade or cut the power then sure. It's certainly in the news. --LaserLegs (talk) 20:40, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose -- not notable right now. If this were playing out elsewhere, like India and Pakistan, would we post it? -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 03:17, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support - for a few reasons. First, it's an international protest. Second, it doesn't look like it will be resolved soon. Finally, ships have been deployed by both governments, escalating the incident even further (as an international protest it's already unusual). If this had happened between India & Pakistan, I'd hope we would post it because there'd be a fourth reason: both countries are nuclear-armed with a history of strong mutual distrust. The question is whether this should be a blurb or ongoing. It seems difficult to construct a blurb, especially since the situation is fluid, hence ongoing seems more appropriate. Banedon (talk) 05:09, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
    I understand this is probably a joke, but if you legitimately think this is worth posting, you are not helping your case with such absurd hyperbole. GreatCaesarsGhost 15:22, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support blurb and oppose ongoing for now more the unexpected nature of this dispute. If it becomes a protracted conflict, re-nom for ongoing. Albertaont (talk) 06:06, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose – Comparatively minor, and predictable, squabble. Lacking wider significance. – Sca (talk) 12:46, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose - far too minor. Jim Michael (talk) 18:13, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support - The dispute could last for some time. STSC (talk) 18:41, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
Yes, especially if the residents of nearby Guernsey get involved. – Sca (talk) 19:27, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose. There are certainly potentially notable fishing disputes. However, this is far less notable than the 2018 blockades of Calais and Boulogne and a dozen similar instances in the last 20 years. —Brigade Piron (talk) 09:43, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose As noted in the article this got a lot more attention in Britain than it did in France (perhaps because the French weren't having local elections). That should tell us something about whether we should put in on ITN. Daniel Case (talk) 04:43, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Flash in the pan, was over very quickly. The French surrendered the protest when they saw the Royal Navy. This was never going to be another Trafalgar. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 06:23, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
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RD: Ajit Singh (politician)[edit]

Article: Ajit Singh (politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former Indian minister Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 12:34, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

  • Oppose A good part of the article is unreferenced. Please ping me if this is fixed, I'll surely change my mind then. ─ The Aafī on Mobile (talk) 21:17, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment: Looks like referencing has improved, but needs copyediting before this is ready for the MP. SpencerT•C 01:58, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

(Withdrawn) COVID-19 vaccination[edit]

Withdrawn by nom. --Jayron32 12:45, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
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Article: COVID-19 vaccine (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
Credits:
Article updated
Nominator's comments: The proposal is to add a link to COVID-19 vaccination in parentheses immediately after COVID-19 pandemic. Many, if not most, of the news related to the COVID-19 pandemic are about vaccines or the ongoing process of vaccination so it needs to be somehow separated from the main article to highlight its significance at this stage of development. --Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:02, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose. I opposed the removal of the special Covid box a few months back, but the decision was made and that's where we are. Vaccination isn't the only aspect of the pandemic that's currently newsworthy, there's the wave in India and Brazil, the variants, changes to lockdown arrangements in different countries too. The pandemic article covers all those topics so it's IMHO sufficient to have that as the primary link into the topic.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:14, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
    The primary article is not going to be replaced with this one; it's just a proposal to add a link to a secondary article in parentheses (I was also against removing the box with all links to relevant articles a few months ago.).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:25, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
    Yeah, I do understand what you're proposing. I just don't think it's correct to single out out the vaccination programmes for an extra line, as they are far from the only aspect of COVID currently in the news. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 11:09, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose It already appeared in ongoing section as part of the COVID-19 pandemic article. I don't see any reasons to nominated it as ongoing. 110.137.163.125 (talk) 10:21, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose No reason to link the same article from two different parts of the Front Page, let alone two different parts of just Ongoing.130.233.213.199 (talk) 11:04, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose – Per previous. No need further to complicate the MP. – Sca (talk) 12:42, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Withdrawn Thanks for the comments so far. It seems like consensus in support of my proposal is not going to develop.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:38, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
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May 5[edit]

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(Posted) RD: Del Crandall[edit]

Article: Del Crandall (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Milwaukee Journal Sentinel; MLB.com; Associated Press
Credits:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 21:41, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

  • Support Good depth, referenced. Marking ready. SpencerT•C 17:04, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted  — Amakuru (talk) 21:41, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Lucinda Franks[edit]

Article: Lucinda Franks (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American journalist. Article needs some beefing up, but shouldn't take too long. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 17:16, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

  • Support. In good shape now I think! Entirely referenced with good depth. Innisfree987 (talk) 00:50, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 17:03, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ashraf Sehrai[edit]

Article: Ashraf Sehrai (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera, Economic Times
Credits:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Prominent figure in the ongoing Kashmir conflict, passed away supposedly due to COVID. Article seems to be in decent enough shape. Mount Patagonia (talk) 04:25, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

May 4[edit]

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(Posted) RD: Ray Miller (baseball manager)[edit]

Article: Ray Miller (baseball manager) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Baltimore Sun; MLB.com; Associated Press
Credits:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Only announced and reported today (May 5). —Bloom6132 (talk) 03:09, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment: Playing career should list the position he played (pitcher I assume?), and if available, some basic playing statistics would be useful. Otherwise looks good to go, and Conditional support once that info is added. SpencerT•C 16:28, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment. Ref 1 is a bare URL. Looks good otherwise.  — Amakuru (talk) 21:03, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
  • @Amakuru: done. Removed it since the info it verifies (i.e. date of death) is sourced in the main part of the article. —Bloom6132 (talk) 21:38, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted. Looks like all objections are dealt with.  — Amakuru (talk) 21:53, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Paulo Gustavo[edit]

Article: Paulo Gustavo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Folha de S. Paulo, G1
Credits:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Brazilian actor and comedian. Yet another victim of COVID-19. The article was created recently, but it's in decent shape. --SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 02:37, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment: A couple of the awards need refs but after then, should be ready to go. SpencerT•C 17:49, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
    Spencer, I fixed it. All awards are now with refs. I think it's ready to go. SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 21:44, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 00:13, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

RD: Traffic Ramaswamy[edit]

Article: Traffic Ramaswamy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
Credits:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian social activist. Article is not ready for homepage / RD yet. But, not too far away. Will get to it shortly. Ktin (talk) 00:15, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment: CN and other tags still remain. SpencerT•C 18:13, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

RD: Simon Achidi Achu[edit]

Article: Simon Achidi Achu (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Journal du Cameroun
Credits:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: 5th Prime Minister of Cameroon. Start-class biography, well-sourced. Jmanlucas (talk) 15:41, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment. Looks fine to me, apart from the single CN tag @Jmanlucas:? —Brigade Piron (talk) 20:00, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
  • OPpose - citations still needed.  — Amakuru (talk) 21:30, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Manas Bihari Verma[edit]

Article: Manas Bihari Verma (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hindustan Times
Credits:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian aeronautical scientist. Padma Sri awardee. Article is a start class biography. Can expand based on available obituaries. Ktin (talk) 03:56, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

  • Weak support Looks fine to me but if two citations are fixed. ─ The Aafī (talk) 09:54, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose - for such a short article, we should at least have everything cited. For such a long career, I feel like there should be a bit more detail on his achievements too, if at all possible. If not, I could be a weak supporter once the cites are fixed!  — Amakuru (talk) 21:29, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Article is on the shorter side, but fully sourced. Joofjoof (talk) 04:28, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
    • It would be good to have dates added though, especially for the science awards. Joofjoof (talk) 04:41, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • PostedBagumba (talk) 08:24, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

RD: Alan McLoughlin[edit]

Article: Alan McLoughlin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Irish International footballer Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:18, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

  • Oppose – most of the article is unreferenced. —Bloom6132 (talk) 22:28, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
  • @Skippy2520: Quantity of refs does not matter. Every paragraph needs to be verified with at least one ref. Only three paragraphs are fully cited right now. —Bloom6132 (talk) 00:59, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

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