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This page provides a forum for editors to suggest items for inclusion on In the news (ITN), a protected template on the Main Page, as well as the forum for discussion of candidates. This is not the page to report errors in the ITN section on the Main Page—please go to the appropriate section at WP:ERRORS. Archives of past nominations can be found here.

This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. Under each daily section header below is the transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day (with a light green header). Each day's portal page is followed by a subsection for suggestions and discussion.

A blurb is a one sentence summary of the news story. An alternate suggestion for the blurb is called an altblurb, and any more suggestions get labelled alt1, alt2, etc. A blurb needs at least one target article, highlighted in bold; reviewers check the quality of that article and whether it is updated, and whether reliable sources demonstrate the significance of the event. Other articles can also be linked. The Ongoing line is for regularly updated articles which cover events that remain in the news over a longer period of time. RD stands for the "recent deaths" line, and can include any living thing whose death was recently announced. In some cases, recent deaths may need additional explanation as provided by a blurb; this is decided by consensus.

Abdelaziz Bouteflika in 2012
Abdelaziz Bouteflika

How to nominate an item[edit]

In order to suggest a candidate:

  • Update an article to be linked to from the blurb to include the recent developments, or find an article that has already been updated.
  • Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated).
    • Do not add sections for new dates. These are automatically generated (at midnight UTC) by a bot; creating them manually breaks this process.
  • Nominate the blurb for ITN inclusion under the "Suggestions" subheading for the date, emboldening the link in the blurb to the updated article. Use a level 4 header (====) when doing so.
    • Preferably use the template {{ITN candidate}} to nominate the article related to the event in the news. Make sure that you include a reference from a verifiable, reliable secondary source. Press releases are not acceptable. The suggested blurb should be written in simple present tense.
    • Adding an explanation why the event should be posted greatly increases the odds of posting.
  • Please consider alerting editors to the nomination by adding the template {{ITN note}} to the corresponding article's talk page.

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There are criteria which guide the decision on whether or not to put a particular item on In the news, based largely on the extensiveness of the updated content and the perceived significance of the recent developments. These are listed at WP:ITN.

Submissions that do not follow the guidelines at Wikipedia:In the news will not be placed onto the live template.

Headers[edit]

  • Items that have been posted or pulled from the main page are generally marked with (Posted) or (Pulled) in the item's subject so it is clear they are no longer active.
  • Items can also be marked as (Ready) when the article is both updated and there seems to be a consensus to post. The posting admin, however, should always judge the update and the consensus to post themselves. If you find an entry that you don't feel is ready to post is marked (Ready), you should remove the mark in the header.

Voicing an opinion on an item[edit]

  • Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated.

Please do not...[edit]

  1. add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are usually not helpful. Instead, explain the reasons why you think the item meets or does not meet the ITN inclusion criteria so a consensus can be reached.
  2. oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive.
  3. accuse other editors of supporting, opposing or nominating due to a personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). Conflicts of interest are not handled at ITN.
  4. comment on a story without first reading the relevant article(s).
  5. oppose a recurring item here because you disagree with the recurring items criteria. The criteria can be discussed at the relevant talk page.
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September 20[edit]

Law and crime


Pigs on the wing[edit]

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Article: Northern line extension to Battersea (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​London opens its first tube extension this century, serving Battersea Power Station (pictured). (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: This is the most popular news story on BBC News currently. I know this because they have a Most Read sidebar which is a good way to find the best stories. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:56, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Perm State University shooting[edit]

Article: Perm State University shooting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​Several people were killed when a gunman opened fire at a university in the Russian city of Perm. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Developing. Blurb will be updated as more news pours in. Sherenk1 (talk) 08:25, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

September 19[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections


Primetime Emmy Awards[edit]

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Article: 73rd Primetime Emmy Awards (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​At the Primetime Emmy Awards, The Crown becomes the first series to sweep the major drama categories while Jason Sudeikis (pictured) wins an award for his role as Ted Lasso. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, NYT, The Wrap,
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Netflix's first big win at the Emmys Andrew🐉(talk) 07:26, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Cumbre Vieja eruption[edit]

Article: Cumbre Vieja (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​The Cumbre Vieja volcano in La Palma, Canary Islands, has erupted (Post)
News source(s): El Espanol, The Guardian ABC News, AP, Reuters AFP via Radio France Internationale
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Ongoing event, the eruption started this afternoon, no idea how long it will last for. Mike Peel (talk) 15:29, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

  • Wait I was going to nominate this as the last eruption of this was 40 years ago, but the extent of the eruption is yet known. --Masem (t) 15:38, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
    • Definitely something that's rapidly evolving - not sure at what point the extent would count as big enough?. Anyway, I'd recommend not driving near it... Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 15:41, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
      • Oh this could potentially be an issue, and I know they are evacuating people now, just that could be an interesting thing to watch live streamed, or could be the fear of that major tsunami if it really went. --Masem (t) 15:46, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
Reuters has a vid too, but so far it's just smoke. – Sca (talk) 17:19, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
I'm watching [1] (in Spanish), definitely not just smoke - easily visible lava flows!). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 17:24, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Wait I agree that we have to wait to see what impact it has if we conclude that the eruption of a volcano for the first time in fifty years and in a very little volcanic and seismic country is not noticeable enough. In fact, until a few hours ago it has been a bit "missing" in the national news in Spain. In any case the quality of the article should be fixed. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 15:52, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Wait – Developing. About 1,000 to be evacuated, says AP. – Sca (talk) 17:16, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
    @Sca, Alsoriano97, and Masem: As far as I can tell, over 1,000 people have now been evacuated, with more expected. The eruption is continuing, and has affected properties and roads. Still not sure what the threshold for this being ITN is. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:16, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
    A volcano causing evacuations is not a surprise. There is the concern, slim as it may be, this could cause tsumanis that could hit the US east coast if the eruption is large enough, but that hasn't happened yet. --Masem (t) 19:28, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
    @Masem: This is 'In The News', not 'This Is Surprising'. Tsunamis seem unlikely, and I've not been focusing on any of that here - just that there is a significant eruption. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:28, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
    Mike Peel According to some sources, there are already 5,000 evacuees [2] and this figure is likely to double [3]. Several houses and banana crops are burning, so it could be serious also because this will be for many days/weeks or months. It would be great if more users would join this discussion because I find it very interesting. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 20:11, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
    @Alsoriano97: Europa Press says that the evacuation of 5,000 is under way (not completed), which is consistent with what I've said above (1k so far) + added to the article. It's now night here, so I suspect most of the evacuations will happen during the day tomorrow or a bit later. The total number depends on the area affected, so it's not a final number (worst case is if the flow goes north towards Los Llanos). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:28, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Wait untill death count becomes clear. NW1223(Howl at me|My hunts) 20:48, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
    The AP report, updated about 21:50, says 5,000 evacuated, eight homes destroyed, but doesn't mention any casualties. Reuters, updated around the same time, mentions "at least three incandescent orange rivers" of lava, but likewise no casualties. – Sca (talk) 22:14, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment: If the Cumbre Vieja wikipage is going to be the boldlinked article in the blurb, please address the {off topic} tag under Cumbre Vieja#Historical megatsunamis soon. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 22:20, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

RD: John Challis[edit]

Article: John Challis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): onlyfoolsnews@Twitter, Wales Online, ITV, Sky News, BBC, The Independent
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: English actor. RD only. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:13, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment needs a lot more sourcing. And date of death not supported by sources (which say he died over the weekend). Joseph2302 (talk) 13:15, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Agreed. Date uncertain, but looks like a choice of two. (It is still the weekend). Feel free to improve sourcing. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:19, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose in current state: page needs serious work from dedicated authors. His entire TV career pretty much is condensed into a list sentence. One would think there would be more to write about somebody who published two autobiographies which, presumably, covered his TV work. Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:21, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Are you a dedicated author? Do you have his autobiographies? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:08, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
  • I never said I was either, and I don't see why that prohibits me from making a vote on the suitability of posting this to the main page. If you are defending the quality of the page and believe this is post-worthy, I disagree. Nothing against you or Challis Unknown Temptation (talk) 07:49, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Also shouldn't be posted until date of death issue on talkpage is actually resolved, rather than people just assuming that it happened on 19 September, as that was the date is was announced. Joseph2302 (talk) 23:01, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
  • The way I'm reading this, the exact date may not be known for a few days, the family kept the death quiet to have a few days of mourning to themselves, and so unless its resolved in a few days, ITN is fine with posting on the date the death was first widely reported. --Masem (t) 23:04, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
Yes, but the article states outright that his date of death is 19 September, and keeps getting reverted to this. Which is not acceptable for ITN to out on front page, when there's currently zero reliable sources for that death date (that's the announced date, and The Sun (United Kingdom) also claims it's the death date, but they're a depreciated source). Joseph2302 (talk) 23:23, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
Just to clarify, there's a written rule that says we cannot post until a date of death is fully sourced? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:52, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
No, but we shouldn't be posting an article with an unverified death date on the front page. Would have no objections to it being changed to September 2021, if no source currently exists. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:01, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
I’ve added The Times to the article, which says 19 Sept. (See here) for verification. - 2A00:23C7:2B86:9800:4F7:4D9C:9851:1878 (talk) 06:26, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
That's behind a paywall. The current source, which was SkyNews, did not seem to give a specific date, so I have reverted it. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:45, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
If someone with subscription could check out the Times source, would be good thanks. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:01, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Jimmy Greaves[edit]

Article: Jimmy Greaves (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: England footballer, died age 81. Article is a GA. RD only - not blurbworthy 2A00:23C7:2B86:9800:4F7:4D9C:9851:1878 (talk) 09:22, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

  • Support - Article is a GA, no issues I can see. Mjroots (talk) 09:42, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Good quality article. Govvy (talk) 10:15, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Support - Article looks good for RD, RIP Greavsie JW 1961 Talk 10:22, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Looks good and high quality. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 11:17, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment some lines need sources. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 11:48, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Support there are 3 citation needed tags on an article that long. That shouldn't hold up this RD, as per Wikipedia:In the news#Article quality: one or two "citation needed" tags may not hold up an article. It's a GA after all, so clearly good enough for front page. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:41, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Two {cn} tags left. Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 13:23, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment RIP Greavsie, a staple of my Saturday viewing as a child. In future, though, could we please fix the citations before posting. That line quoted above does not match modern practice, which is that all uncited material needs to be fixed before posting. GA or otherwise, this is a nadic basic requirement of material we're presenting to our readers on the most visited page of the project.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:38, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
    • Shall we get Wikipedia:In the news#Article quality rewritten? --PFHLai (talk) 22:23, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
      • Yeah, as Joseph points out above, on an article of this size, a few CNs, particularly on statements that are more factual than subjective in nature, and where the rest of the article is impeccably sources, isn't a holdup for an RD posting. Posting was reasonable. --Masem (t) 22:34, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Dinky Soliman[edit]

Article: Dinky Soliman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Filipino Times, CNN
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Member of two president's cabinet in the Philippines. This wikibio needs more refs, but is already close to be ready for RD.--PFHLai (talk) 06:13, 19 September 2021 (UTC) Now, no more {cn} tags left. --PFHLai (talk) 14:32, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

  • Posted to RD. CN tags addressed. SpencerT•C 00:15, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

September 18[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture

Health and environment

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology

Sports


RD: Jolidee Matongo[edit]

Article: Jolidee Matongo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [4]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article looks okay for someone who was in office for one month Joseph2302 (talk) 16:38, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

  • Long enough and has enough footnotes at the expected spots, this wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 22:08, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Weak oppose While it's okay not having additional info for his final position since he was only in office for a month, the article should have a little more detail/depth about what Matongo accomplished in his prior roles. SpencerT•C 00:17, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Spencer I have added a few sentences on some things he did as MMC of Joburg. Let me know if that's enough- cannot find much more. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:39, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Sabina Zimering[edit]

Article: Sabina Zimering (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Polish-American ophthalmologist, memoirist, and Holocaust survivor. Died Sept. 6 but not announced until Sept. 18. TJMSmith (talk) 15:14, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

  • Long enough and has enough footnotes at the expected spots, this wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 23:46, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 00:13, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

RD: Ali Kalora[edit]

Article: Ali Kalora (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SCMP, Al Jazeera
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: One of the most wanted terrorist in Indonesia. Any blurb possibility? Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 13:39, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

RD: Thanu Padmanabhan[edit]

Article: Thanu Padmanabhan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Padma Shri winning Indian theoretical physicist and cosmologist. Pachu Kannan (talk) 05:00, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

September 17[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Health and environment

International relations

Politics and elections


(Blurb Posted) RD/Blurb: Abdelaziz Bouteflika dies[edit]

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Article: Abdelaziz Bouteflika (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Former President of Algeria Abdelaziz Bouteflika (pictured) dies at the age of 84. (Post)
News source(s): France24
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article has been updated and well sourced. President of Algeria for twenty years until resigning in 2019 due to mass protests against his presidency. Influential Arab World political figure. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:27, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

  • Support RD - Article is well sourced. I don't feel this is blurb-worthy, but it is undoubtedly RD-ready. - Floydian τ ¢ 01:13, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Blurb Massively influential figure in Algerian history since the 1960s, and a longtime head of state. Wizardoftheyear (talk) 01:44, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Probably blurb. What I am missing are some sentences about his life after the resignation. Otherwise, the article is immediately ready for RD. --Tone 07:24, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
  • @Tone: From what I understood from obits and some articles dating after his resignation, he made few appearances before his passing due to failing health. His BBC obit says that after his resignation he became a recluse. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:26, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
    • Yes, please add 2-3 sentences on that and we have the section covered, until we get the details on the reactions and funeral. --Tone 07:52, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
  • @Tone: I did a few minutes after your first comment :) backed with the BBC obit. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:59, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Support blurb. A 20-year executive president is someone who does pass the unofficial Mandela-Thatcher test for blurbhood. Article looks in decent shape too.  — Amakuru (talk) 07:35, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Support blurb he was not only notable in his country, which he ruled in an authoritarian manner for 20 years and his resignation marked the end of an era, but also in the entire Maghreb. If he is not blurbworthy, I no longer know who should be. The wikibio is in good shape. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 09:20, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Support blurb A notable politician who ruled a country for 20 years is a textbook example for a blurb.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:22, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Support blurb article is in good shape, and long-time leader is blurb worthy (especially when he only left office two years ago). Joseph2302 (talk) 10:48, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Blurb Posted --PFHLai (talk) 14:13, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Post-posting weak oppose blurb I don't think Algeria is one of those "autoblurb former executive" countries like the US, UK, Russia, or China are, and I would not take this posting to set a precedent to that effect. That said, Bouteflika seems to have had a transformative impact on Algeria from its independence all the way to his resignation so this isn't terribly egregious, and I would not pull unless there is strong consensus to do so given how bad a look it can be.  – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 15:25, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
    Algeria is not a small country, and this guy was its leader for 20 years. He's had a much larger effect on the people he ruled than Gordon Brown, say, even though you're apparently set to "autoblurb" the latter.  — Amakuru (talk) 18:19, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
    I'm generally against autoblurbing deaths, but he was leader for 20 years (which is unusually long), in a country of 44 million people, and he only left office a couple of years ago (which makes it better for the blurb than someone who left office and has been out of the years decades ago, in my opinion). Which is why I supported it, and I think why others did too. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:31, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
    I am aware of that, but I wouldn't consider Algeria a "top-tier" country like the US/Russia/China, where such long tenures are in any event uncommon.  – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 19:28, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
    @John M Wolfson: But also it is important to take note about the individual's impact on not only their country but on a global region in which Bouteflika has through his peace treaties with African nations, his grip on Algeria and was deposed during the 2018–2021 Arab protests (a notable protest in the Arab world. His tenure as president is also important to keep note (we posted Hissène Habré and he'd been leader of his country shorter than Bouteflika but nonetheless had a notable impact in Chad and the African region). --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:35, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose blurb The guy was convicted of massive embezzlement and his last term was a sick joke as he was almost dead. He was clearly a figurehead for a corrupt elite and so fairly feeble for an African dictator. The idea that he was in the same league as Mandela/Thatcher is ridiculous. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:09, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
  • All this doesn't in any way exclude having or not having blurb. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 22:20, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
  • @Andrew Davidson: per Alsorian97, this isn’t a valid justification for opposing a blurb. The merits for a blurb isn’t if a person has been a good or bad guy, it’s about how influential the person is. When we compare someone using the Mandela/Thatcher rule we are not comparing them based on their “morals” but influence and impact. This man’s influence on the Arab world, African politics and Algeria is evident in his article and global obits being published. Your opposition reasoning holds no merit to exclude him from a blurb. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:00, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Indeed, he wasn't as bad as Thatcher, but few are! GreatCaesarsGhost 23:41, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
I looked through The Times yesterday and it didn't mention him whereas the death of Sir Clive Sinclair got a special entry in the editorial. Even with a blurb on the day after his death, the Abdelaziz Bouteflika page only got 27,590 readers. That's not much more than Thatcher or Mandela get on an average day, years after their death. For our readership, this guy is less significant than Clive Sinclair or Boris Johnson's mother whose peaks were both higher. While the really big death lately is Norm Macdonald. He's the one in the big league, getting over a million readers per day. But, of course, ITN is not running him at all. It's broken. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:44, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
As you are well aware that’s not how ITN works, or is even supposed to work. The only thing that is broken is the broken record of your comments when you don’t like the consensus of how ITN works. Stop whining about it all the time and open an RfC. If it still comes down against you, carrying on not whining. 2A00:23C7:2B86:9800:4F7:4D9C:9851:1878 (talk) 09:30, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
You must be kidding us. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 11:50, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
Please be encouraged to fix up the "broken" Norm Macdonald page so that ITN can run him. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 13:28, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
Maybe The Times gave special attention to Clive Sinclair for being British, as I don't imagine there was the same coverage in the New York Times, Times of India or let alone a non-English newspaper. Johnson's mother and Norm MacDonald also appeal to English Wikipedia's English-speaking audience. Should ITN stop covering science and world politics that get comparatively low viewer counts, and instead cover what's in the WP:TOP25 - the guy from Blue's Clues making videos again, a new Matrix movie, wrestling and Marvel? Would that make it less broken, because we have to cover the most-viewed pages, not the best-written ones? Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:26, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
There's usually a lot going on but ITN covers little of it because it's so broken and unproductive. For example, the top read page yesterday was Robert Durst because of his high-profile murder conviction. That page was read by about quarter of a million people yesterday because it's in the news but it wasn't even nominated for ITN. That readership was about ten times the supposedly big news about Bouteflika. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:46, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
ITN is not meant as a most-read-article list. If you want to replace ITN with an automated ticker of the most read articles, please formally propose that. 331dot (talk) 23:01, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
That has already been done in the Wikipedia app which I browse every day on my phone. That doesn't show the ITN list; instead it shows the top read articles. They are a different mix due to a variety of factors. For example, yesterday the top 5 was Robert Durst; Sex Education (TV series); Michael Schumacher; Norm Macdonald; Cleopatra. I understand most of these but don't know why Cleopatra is attracting so much attention currently. Anyway, ITN is not just missing stuff like Durst. Its other problem is that it's listing stale stuff which just about no-one is reading. For example, the blurb item 2021 All-Ireland Senior Football Championship Final only got about 1000 readers yesterday. That event wasn't very popular to start with and that was over a week ago and so it is no longer in the news. We shouldn't be telling people that something is in the news when it isn't. Andrew🐉(talk) 23:25, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
Editors often argue events are not in the news. You are free to do so. If you prefer an automated ticker of most read articles, power to you. ITN is not that and should not be that. It's a way to highlight improved articles about topical subjects. 331dot (talk) 23:28, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
ITN is certainly not ticking; it's more like the stopped clock that's only right twice a day. Here we are another day later and Bouteflika is still the top blurb. The readership is already dropping from his low peak and this shows that his death is no longer in the news. This is not quality; it's misinformation. No other main page section runs the same stale stuff day after day and it's embarassing that the one section which should be following the news cycle fails to do so. The volcano looks like a good story but that's already yesterday's news. I'll help you out with another nomination to get this thing ticking again... Andrew🐉(talk) 07:36, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for the nomination. ITN is not and never has been a continuously updated list of news stories deemed the most important. It is a way to motivate the updating of articles and highlight said articles as examples of decent work on topical subjects that happen to be in the news. I again stress it is not a most-read articles list. We can only make new postings when articles are nominated. If you want to see faster turnover, or different things posted, please continue to participate. Thank you. 331dot (talk) 07:55, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

September 16[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology


RD: Casimir Oyé-Mba[edit]

Article: Casimir Oyé-Mba (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Citizen, Direct Info Gabon
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former prime minister of GabonJoofjoof (talk) 23:41, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment: This article is really close, but there's a huge gap in coverage between 2010 until his death in 2021 when he was (from what I can tell) in a political role. What happened during this time? SpencerT•C 00:53, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

RD: Jane Powell[edit]

Article: Jane Powell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety, People
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article looks to be well-cited other than Stage Work section. rawmustard (talk) 13:49, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment I've added some more tags. The "Filmography" section it's a bit unsourced. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 09:52, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

2021 Bahamian general election[edit]

Article: 2021 Bahamian general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​In the 2021 Bahamian general election, the Progressive Liberal Party, led by Philip "Brave" Davis, win the most seats in the Parliament of the Bahamas. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 --Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 06:00, 17 September 2021 (UTC))

  • Oppose on quality and length. Besides, how many seats did the PLP win? I can't find any info here or on Google about that. FWIW, the article about Davis has 3 unsourced sections out of 4 (though it's not bolded). Tube·of·Light 09:36, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose needs basic information like the actual results- the infobox needs updating, as it's saying the winner has 5 seats out of 38? Joseph2302 (talk) 09:49, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment while the PLP has won a majority, not all seats have been declared [6]. We should probably wait until it is completed. Joofjoof (talk) 19:47, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Clive Sinclair[edit]

Article: Clive Sinclair (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Pioneer in home computers, founder of Sinclair Research (ZX line of computers). Article is about 75% the way there for sourcing. Masem (t) 18:10, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment I went in a Sinclair C5 once, back in the 80s, so blurb blurb blurb! (Just kidding).  — Amakuru (talk) 20:38, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
    I had a rubber-keyboard 48KB ZX Spectrum. Best. Thing. Ever. RIP Sir Clive. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 20:42, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
    The Rambling Man, It's what I learned to program on. (Even now, off the top of my head without thinking I can tell you that LD IX,#4000 LD DE,#1B00 LD A,#FF SCF JP #556 will load the screen from tape). In some way, the Raspberry Pi is its spiritual successor. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:13, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
    @Ritchie333: I never had a ZX Spectrum myself, my parents managed to secure a fancy Macintosh Plus machine from their work instead. You could program on that, but only through an IDE such as Microsoft QuickBasic, which lacked the raw joy of the command line. There were BBC Model Bs and Masters at my school though, connected together via the ubiquitous Econet, so lots of fun to be had there.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:22, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Spent the last hour+ buffing up the article and referencing it. It should be better (I know it can be improved). --Masem (t) 23:56, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment - I wonder how big of an impact Sinclair has had on the world. The only reason I know his name is because of a passing mention in a printed encyclopedia. Personally, I would be inclined to get this blurbed once quality is improved, but still, are there any people who can give a more detailed tl;dr on the most important things this guy did (I'm guessing he is the UK's most well-known inventor from the late 20th century)? Tube·of·Light 01:56, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
    Didn't impact Canada, even to Commodore levels, and only later became marginally interesting here, as a retro gaming figure. No blurb. Still a great keyboard, though! InedibleHulk (talk) 02:25, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
The ZX Spectrum was really what he is best known for. Represented the dominant low cost microcomputer in the UK market. They were widely knocked off in eastern Europe. The ZX Spectrum had almost no impact on North America but given the highly balkanised computer market at the time not really surprising. Hemiauchenia (talk) 02:40, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
Aight, so he wasn't really as well-known as I thought he was. And for some reason, I forgot that Tim Berners-Lee could be considered to be an inventor! :-P Tube·of·Light 09:23, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
And I just learned Rick Dickinson invented that fantabulous Spectrum keyboard. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:00, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Well written and meets the criteria. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 05:13, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Support more than good enough for RD. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:03, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose There are several tags in the article. Hanamanteo (talk) 10:34, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
    "Several" is an exaggeration (unless it can mean anything above 2). I found 3 cn tags all for relatively minor statements, so it's almost ready. Tube·of·Light 10:52, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Support. The small number of {{cn}} tags are acceptable in an article of that length and they're all on minor points. Good enough IMO. Modest Genius talk 10:47, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted --PFHLai (talk) 10:54, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment I have addressed the remaining "citation needed" tags. I can't really support a blurb because Sinclair wasn't big globally, just in the UK and later on in Europe, as opposed to Steve Jobs who was well-known just about everywhere. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:11, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Dušan Ivković[edit]

Article: Dušan Ivković (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SportKlub, NovaTV
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Basketball player and coach. One of the 50 Greatest EuroLeague Contributors. Elected to the FIBA Hall of Fame and also named a EuroLeague Basketball Legend in 2017. DragonFederal (talk) 07:45, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment needs a lot more sourcing, have orange tagged for more sources. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:11, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
    • Now just the "Career achievements" section that needs sourcing. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:50, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
      • Others have added some general references.[7] The English source seems to cover most except the assistant coach ones; the other two sources are non-English.—Bagumba (talk) 08:56, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 02:15, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Antony Hewish[edit]

Article: Antony Hewish (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [8]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Nobel Prize-winning radio astronomer, who jointly discovered pulsars (with Jocelyn Bell). Died on 13 Sept but announced on 16 Sept. The article is short but in good shape. Modest Genius talk 12:06, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Support, there is no major problems with the article and it is quite long. Sahaib3005 (talk) 15:02, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

  • Posted --PFHLai (talk) 17:00, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Post-posting comment it should not go unnoticed that the coverage of the professional career of this Nobel laureate, exclusively, are four lines. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 22:31, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
    • I find it thin, too, but not bad enough to disqualify the nom. --PFHLai (talk) 02:55, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
    Your monitor must be extremely wide for those two paragraphs to fit on four lines. The article could certainly be expanded, but he really was famous for a single discovery. Modest Genius talk 10:52, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

September 15[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

  • Property giant China Evergrande Group admitted it is under "tremendous pressure" and may not be able to meet its crippling debt obligations. Angry protesters have been gathering outside the real estate firm's headquarters, demanding to know about its future. Evergrande is holding $305 billion in liabilities on $147 billion in assets reported in 2020. (DW)

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

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Science and technology

  • Russia demonstrates the use of unmanned ground vehicles in combat formations during the weeklong Zapad joint military exercises with Belarus. The two vehicles demonstrated were the Uran-9, a tracked vehicle equipped with a 30 mm autocannon, machine gun, anti-tank missiles and a flamethrower; and the Nerekhta, equipped with a mounted machine gun and a grenade launcher as well as cargo capacity. (Military.com)

(Posted) RD: Lou Angotti[edit]

Article: Lou Angotti (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NHL.com; The Philadelphia Inquirer; WLUC-TV
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 11:57, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment: This wikibio is long enough and has enough footnotes at the expected spots, and therefore is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 15:27, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
  • @Spencer and Stephen: was ready to go before the last 3 RDs posted. —Bloom6132 (talk) 01:32, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 02:11, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Norman Bailey (bass-baritone)[edit]

Article: Norman Bailey (bass-baritone) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ENO
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Internationally known opera singer, all the big houses and roles. The article was begun in 2006 by Smerus who had forgotten about the then unsourced stub. Many contributors, strange layout, few refs when he died. It's better now I think, actually there's much more detail in sources if someone wants to add. POD vague. Can we assume his last-mentioned residence. There's a cute detail towards the end about his 75th birthday as Sarasto there, which is likely true, but I couldn't find a ref besides blogs such as thisGerda Arendt (talk) 14:15, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

  • adding: in the list of Deaths we see "death announced on 16 September", however, an IP had posted 15 September as DOD on 15 September, without a ref. Quite likely, if you ask me. So I leave him here for now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:06, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
    • There's a supporting ref now.—Bagumba (talk) 09:00, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Support - all looks in good shape to me. Marking as ready.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:23, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Posting, all good. --Tone 09:07, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) Aukus[edit]

Article: AUKUS (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​The United States, United Kingdom and Australia make a security pact that will provide Australia with nuclear submarines. (Post)
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Latest instalment in geopolitical tensions involving China. The first item in all Aus outlets, the BBC and also CNN Bumbubookworm (talk) 03:13, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

  • Wait Article doesn't yet explain what the US gets for the subs, or how the UK even figures in, nevermind the arguably bigger "key areas" the lead just casually rattles off once, in passing. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:59, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose The article does not explain why this is impactful, apart from boilerplate diplomatic statements.130.233.213.141 (talk) 10:25, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Support in principle based on this Guardian report which shows it's a major development in international relations and has nuclear proliferation implications. However I agree with comments above that the article is not ready. What's there is well cited and long enough on first glance, but there's very little information about the actual agreement, most of the content is diplomatic reactions. The focus is entirely on the submarines - which are only part of the deal. There's a blurb-worthy story here, it just needs a more informative article. Modest Genius talk 10:57, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment – The global impacts of this deal seem likely to be quite limited. – Sca (talk) 12:38, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment I’m pretty agree with Sca (again lol). Why is this agreement more relevant than other international agreements that may be concluded daily? Affecting in the end only Asutralia, what international implication does it have? Is it really the most important thing that this country can build submarines? _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 13:08, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Article is of sufficient quality, and news sources are covering the topic in a prominent way. Meets all criteria. --Jayron32 12:07, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Support there is ongoing coverage of this (not least because France are pissed about it), and article is good enough now. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:14, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment I don't think this is ready. The reactions from the US and UK would fit in, if there are reactions from Australia. Also, are the subs the key thing? According to the intro, they are one of the things in this pact, together with artificial intelligence, cyber warfare, underwater capabilities, and long range strike capabilities. The blurb should reflect that. --Tone 12:30, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
    The subs were a major point of contention and the main focus of many of the news stories, as the dust-up with France over the matter; Australia suddenly cancelled a large order for French submarines upon signing the pact. See, for example [9], [10], [11]. It's the part of the treaty receiving the most news coverage. --Jayron32 17:24, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
    • Status update I've been busy yesterday, but I've expanded the article, and added a para on computer technology. I could only find one analysis article on it, since everyone has been preoccupied with subs, but not surprisingly the countries are worried about Huawei, Chinese hackers etc etc Bumbubookworm (talk) 21:24, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Support article is in decent shape, and currently causing a very big international relations scandal, with France recalling their ambassador. I suggest mentioning that in the hook if this is posted. Elli (talk | contribs) 00:59, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Article in good shape and this is developing international coverage/reaction. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 01:12, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted. SpencerT•C 03:49, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment Considering the diplomatic fallout of the deal is at least half of the story here, I think the blurb should be updated to include something about the reaction from France, which is unprecedented. Yakikaki (talk) 15:58, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) Inspiration4[edit]

Article: Inspiration4 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: SpaceX launches Inspiration4, the first orbital launch of a 100% private crew (Post)
Alternative blurb: SpaceX launches Inspiration4, the first orbital launch of an entirely civilian crew
Alternative blurb II: SpaceX launches Inspiration4, the first all-civilian orbital spaceflight, as part of a fundraiser for St. Jude Children's Research Hospital.
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Crewed orbital launches are ITNR. Planned altitude has not been reached by humans since Gemini and Apollo program in the 60s and 70s. Please feel free to improve blurb and the article. Launch is scheduled for about 3h from now. 2A02:2F0E:D31E:5B00:CDA1:9A50:3A1C:F745 (talk) 21:13, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

  • Support alt blurb Support alt blurb II Very important mission for spaceflight industry and history. Alt blurb sounds better in my opinion; '100%' seems a bit of an odd thing to say. I would prefer if it says "orbital flight" instead of "orbital launch." Lyrim (talk) 00:45, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Support as per Lyrim above — prefer "orbital flight" to "orbital launch". Also, replace "entirely civilian" with "all-civilian"? [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 00:49, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Support. @John M Wolfson, NightWolf1223, Lyrim, and Osunpokeh: "the first orbital launch of an entirely civilian crew" can be truncated to simply "the first all-civilian orbital spaceflight". It would also be in the best interest to include a mention of St. Jude's fundraising efforts, as it's an important part of the mission; something along the lines of "​SpaceX launches Inspiration4, the first all-civilian orbital spaceflight, as part of a fundraiser for the St. Jude Children's Research Hospital." — Molly Brown (talk) 00:54, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted Stephen 01:41, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
    • @Stephen: Any reason St. Jude was ignored here? — Molly Brown (talk) 01:55, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
    • I would also like to see St. Jude mentioned. Lyrim (talk) 02:56, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
      • The notability is that 4 civilians went into orbit, the charitable aspect is incidental. Stephen 04:37, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
        • I agree it would be inappropriate to mention the hospital. Is 'entirely civilian' correct though? The article phrases this as 'private citizens' - it's unclear to me if there's a deliberately distinction between the two. Modest Genius talk 11:03, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
          • Yes, "Civiiian" (and "all-civilian") seems correct, per Reliable Sources. "Civilian" currently appears 10 times in the article, each time in the title of a RS being cited (but currently never in our own editor-created text). By contrast "citizen" currently only appears 3 times, each time in our own editor-created text. So any problem (if there is a problem) would seem to be with "citizen", not "civilian" (but the place for any discussion about that possible problem would be the article's Talk Page, and not here).Tlhslobus (talk) 13:00, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Post-posting comment – How does this affect life on Earth? – Sca (talk) 12:42, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
    That's not why we post things on ITN. We post things on ITN because they are in the news, AND there is a quality article about them. This meets both qualifications. --Jayron32 12:43, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Post-posting Support – per Jayron22, and per the fact that there was (and is) a clear consensus to post. Tlhslobus (talk) 13:04, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

September 14[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections


(Posted) RD: Ida Nudel[edit]

Article: Ida Nudel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times; Associated Press; The Times of Israel
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 22:36, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

  • Long enough and has footnotes where refs are expected, this wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 03:57, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
  • @Spencer and Stephen: was ready to go before the last 3 RDs posted. —Bloom6132 (talk) 01:31, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted to RD. Sorry Bloom6132 was interrupted when reviewing ITN/C earlier. SpencerT•C 01:33, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
  • @Spencer: no worries! Thanks for replying promptly. —Bloom6132 (talk) 01:43, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

(Closed) 2021 California gubernatorial recall election[edit]

Consensus to post will not develop. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:27, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: 2021 California gubernatorial recall election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Gavin Newsom survives a recall election, the second governor to do so in American history. (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:
Nominator's comments: While generally state-level elections aren't considered important enough for ITN, I think this is an exception. It's the forth recall election in all of American history, in a state with the population of Canada. This has attracted significant media coverage across the US and at least some coverage abroad, such as in the BBC - it's not just a run-of-the-mill statewide election. Elli (talk | contribs) 15:38, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment The article currently lacks any prose for the results section which is a must for election articles. Agree in the historic nature of the election as it only happened the second time. Even though it may not be a national election, it may be notable enough because of California's size and economy. Showiecz (talk) 16:00, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose primarily because the status quo was retained, and by a rather healthy majority (63% to 36%). I know there was concern it was going to be tight, and if it actually went to recall as to lead to a potentially GOP governor of California, would drastically flip the US situation around, but that scenario wasn't even close. --Masem (t) 16:07, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose as a non-national election, we have rejected Indian state elections with similar populations for the same reason. The BBC source isn't on the general front page (which encompasses all the important/breaking news), only accessible in the subsection for world news. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:08, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose on quality Lacks prose in the results section.—Bagumba (talk) 16:13, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose - It is, in fact, a run-of-the-mill statewide election - and not even technically an election at that. It may have been newsworthy if the recall had succeeded.--WaltCip-(talk) 16:26, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
    I'm opposing too but... what? A special election cannot by definition be "run of the mill," which means ordinary. And California has officially called it a "Gubernatorial Recall Election [12]. Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:37, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
    Take a look at this list and you'll see that, while recall elections have only been brought to ballot twice in California, there have been many, many attempts by California assemblymen to recall the Governor or a similarly highly-ranked elected official in the state. This is not an especially uncommon practice in California. WaltCip-(talk) 19:13, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
    I realize the argument I'm making is a stretch even for myself, so I've struck the offending part of my comment.--WaltCip-(talk) 19:16, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose There has to be a very good reason to post a non-national election, and as this was a comfortable victory for the governor I'm not seeing the significance. Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:27, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose, suggest close regardless of the result; we don't post any subnational politics, and if Cuomo didn't get posted neither should this. Nor are Newsom's statistics as impressive as they initially sound; he's only the fourth Governor in a recall election in American history because only a handful of states even have recall provisions. Also, while I agree that California should be a Level-3 Vital Article and isn't due to what I consider stupid BS, many Chinese provinces and Indian states have "populations bigger than Canada", and we've never posted their subnational politics before.  – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 16:40, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose any sub-national politics or elections. There are other issues with the nomination, but that's the fundamental one. Modest Genius talk 17:56, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose per above, we don't post sub-national political elections. I could maybe see the argument for posting the election of an autonomous region, or a region that is independent in all but name (e.g. Somaliland), but California is not that. NorthernFalcon (talk) 19:02, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
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RD: Norm Macdonald[edit]

Article: Norm Macdonald (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety, Rolling Stone
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Comedian and ‘Saturday Night Live’ star, among other TV appearances. CoatCheck (talk) 19:11, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment Patchy referencing, as is common of entertainment bios. Hrodvarsson (talk) 20:01, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
    • Longer articles will always have worse referencing, which is why RD is usually filled with crappy stub-adjacent articles about people no one has ever heard of because those articles are incredibly easy to source. Mlb96 (talk) 04:51, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Honestly, article is more than adequate. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 22:17, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Many citations needed, including that filmography section, and the tone tag needs to be addressed. There seems to be too much in the section about his leaving SNL. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:28, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Nearly all of Works is unreferenced, and deserves the {{unreferenced section}} orange tag. I disagree that the SNL details are UNDUE; That was a significant event in his popular career, which was otherwise a pretty standard one for a stand-up comic.130.233.213.141 (talk) 07:07, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose almost unsourced filmography, and "Leaving SNL" could be shortened slightly as it is too long for one incident- even if that incident is important, seems WP:UNDUE to me. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:44, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Wait As the only comedian who ever inspired me to better myself, and my second-favourite peripheral celebrity of the 20th century, I can't in good conscience oppose getting his name out there. But yeah, our feature on the man, the myth and the legend isn't one of the better the Internet has assembled, to date. Keep on Googling and "borrowing" Norm Macdonald material, though, and I think there's hope for our profile yet! InedibleHulk (talk) 09:16, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Support The article will be swiftly improved, it's Norm Macdonald man. As it happens I feel like this rule should be lightened Comrade TruthTeller (talk) 16:51, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
    The intent of ITN is to improve articles. The incentive is posting to the main page. Posting without fixing is counterintuitive. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:03, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose There are several tags in the article. Hanamanteo (talk) 10:17, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Support -- this article seems ready now. -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 02:17, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment There are still 8 {cn} tags. One of the sections carries a {tone} tag. The Works section and the As performer section are largely unreferenced. This wikibio is not ready for RD yet. --PFHLai (talk) 04:13, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: George Wein[edit]

Article: George Wein (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NPR Boston Globe
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Founder of the Newport Folk Festival and Newport Jazz Festival, some reliable sources (including NPR above) credit him as influential on the development of the modern contemporary music festival. Article almost certainly needs updating and sourcing.  Doc StrangeMailboxLogbook 04:13, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

  • Support – article is well-referenced; now meets minimum depth of coverage for ITN after my edits. —Bloom6132 (talk) 08:40, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted Stephen 23:53, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

September 13[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections


(Posted) RD: Gene Littles[edit]

Article: Gene Littles (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): High Point University; Associated Press; Reuters
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: First reported today (September 13); died on September 9. —Bloom6132 (talk) 06:33, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment - generally fine, but I feel like the "Playing career" section is a little bit too short. For someone who played six seasons, it seems like there should be a little more than four sentences about his career. Other than that, no issues that I can see.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:36, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
  • @Amakuru: done. I've added a couple of sentences re. stat highlights. —Bloom6132 (talk) 18:02, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
    Great, thanks! Supporting and marked as ready.  — Amakuru (talk) 20:40, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted --PFHLai (talk) 03:03, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ruly Carpenter[edit]

Article: Ruly Carpenter (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): MLB.com; The Philadelphia Inquirer; NBC Sports
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 17:50, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

  • Long enough and has enough footnotes at the expected spots. This nom is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 23:53, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted Stephen 23:59, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Fred Stanfield[edit]

Article: Fred Stanfield (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NHL.com; The Boston Globe
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 23:35, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

  • Support Good depth of coverage of subject, referenced. Marking ready. SpencerT•C 03:40, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted  — Amakuru (talk) 09:26, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

(Update) US Open: Medvedev wins men's singles[edit]

Article: 2021 US Open (tennis) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​British tennis player Emma Raducanu wins the women's singles of the US Open to become the first qualifier to win a Grand Slam title, while Russian Daniil Medvedev wins the men's singles. (Post)
News source(s): AP Reuters
Credits:
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 2600:1702:38D0:E70:684E:EFB0:82F9:CCFF (talk) 00:55, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

  • Oppose Still no meaningful prose update at 2021 US Open (tennis) for either the women's or men's singles.—Bagumba (talk) 01:22, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Bagumba. Raducanu was posted on the basis of the unique circumstances of her victory. Medvedev has no such claim as he's been a top player for some time. If and when the 3021 US Open tennis article is updated satisfactorily, we can add it to the blurb then.  — Amakuru (talk) 06:02, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
  • By that time I believe tennis would've been gone and replaced by something else... --180.244.168.241 (talk) 16:31, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Judging from the archives, it looks like the US Open hadn't been posted for years until 2020.—Bagumba (talk) 06:11, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
Comment: the US Open is listed on WP:ITNR (and traditionally, we wait until the conclusion of the men’s final on the Sunday, but there’s an understandable reason to break from tradition for once) so the only consideration should be article quality. Sceptre (talk) 20:06, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Amakuru. The event article is not good enough right now to be on the front page. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:02, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
  • This is why it was foolish to post Raducanu before seeing whether the men's tournament would be in a fit state to post. We shouldn't put either on them on the MP unless/until 2021 US Open (tennis) has fully referenced paragraphs on the men's and women's events. Now it looks stupid to post one but not the other. We should not be bolding either individual's articles, but it makes no sense to make an exception for Raducanu but not Medvedev. This is a complete mess that can only be sorted out by someone updating the tournament article. It shouldn't be difficult, maybe an hour's work - I just don't personally have time to do it. Modest Genius talk 13:37, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Raducanu achieved something that had never been done before (in the Open Era of tennis, which began in 1968)- that was worth posting, and her article was good enough. The thing that's ridiculous is that sports events like this get ITN nominated immediately after the result, and nobody ever bothers to do anything to improve them, like write any prose. Regardless of whether the tournament was ITNR or not, Raducanu was ITN-worthy. Certainly the most widely covered aspect of this tournament... Joseph2302 (talk) 13:47, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
  • I disagree. What was interesting about Raducanu was that she won the US Open, not how she qualified for that event. The outcome of the tournament is the story here. Modest Genius talk 14:09, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
  • And it also makes us look baised to not have the mens' result there given it was the same effect event (one day later). That Raducanu happened to be the first qualifier to win a Grand Slam is an interesting bit of news, but its also still acknowledging the winner of the womens' US Open, and that leaves us hanging on who the mens' winner is since most know that happens at the same time. --Masem (t) 14:15, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
  • If it happened 'at the same time', that might be better. But it doesn't, it happens the next day. (ah yes, a whole day to improve 2021 US Open (tennis)!) Martinevans123 (talk) 14:29, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
  • All that is really needed on the Open article are recaps of each major tier (in comparison to the 2020 article). That's a few hours of work at most, and most of it save for the mens' bracket could have been done following Raducanu's win. --Masem (t) 14:35, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
  • I don't see what was "stupid" about it. Raducanu was the bigger story and deserved to be posted in a timely fashion - consensus was to bold the non-ITN/R player article. That no-one is apparently interested in improving the ITN/R US Open article is a shame but has no bearing on the first posting. I'm pleased that this time we avoided the dull "X wins the women's while Y wins the men's" formula and actually highlighted what was notable about her achievement. Pawnkingthree (talk) 21:23, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
    Exactly this. We voted on the Raducanu story as a newsworthy ITN blurb in its own right, and it was posted. That has nothing to do with the separate fact that the US Open itself is ITN/R, and it is not a "complete mess". It is simply Wikipedia highlighting a story that has been much talked about. It's a shame that nobody has bothered to add prose to the US Open tennis article, and the men's result is therefore lacking, but that doesn't take away from Emma Raducanu's highly unusual feat.  — Amakuru (talk) 00:03, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
We would not have posted the Raducanu story if she hadn't won a Grand Slam event - that's what was notable about it. The tournament clearly has great bearing upon the blurb, I don't understand this assertion that it didn't matter. Posting the women's champion but not the men's looks really bad - not as bad as if it had been the other way around, given our well-known systematic biases, but that doesn't stop it looking stupid IMO. Modest Genius talk 11:01, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
  • The conversations here seemed to have halted somehow... Is the Daniil Medvedev article ready yet? Or the prose in 2021 US Open – Men's Singles ready? (More footnotes would be nice for each of them.) Or 2021 US Open – Women's Singles? If 2021 US Open (tennis) is not ready, perhaps we craft a blurb around articles that are ready for ITN? Hopefully before the current blurb scrolls off the ITN template. --PFHLai (talk) 20:10, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
    The conversations have halted because nobody has taken up the mantle of getting the 2021 US Open article up to scratch. The Daniil Medvedev article is not relevant here, because it's the event article that needs to be improved, there's nothing momentous about Medvedev himself, as there was for Raducanu. And to be frank, it's already almost a week, so it seems unlikely it's going to be done at this point. No further action is required.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:06, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
    Ok. If no one is working on the relevant articles, then never mind. --PFHLai (talk) 05:57, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Marianne Battani[edit]

Article: Marianne Battani (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Detroit Free Press
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American federal judge appointed by President Bill Clinton. She was notable for giving a light sentence to the neighbor of Rand Paul after he beat the crap out of him. Article looks good and I went in and took care of the citation needed tag for her sentencing of a scammer so it should be good to go! --Newsjunky12 (talk) 14:04, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

  • Weak Support Article looks ok for now. Pyramids09 (talk) 17:15, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Looks good to go. Hanamanteo (talk) 17:51, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted A little short, but still okay for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 08:41, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose I know it's too late to oppose but just wanted to point out that, yet again, the issue of notability is thrown out of the window whenever some obscure american personality is concerned 86.238.248.20 (talk) 17:32, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
    • The RD template itself states "Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post" – concerns about notability should be brought to AFD. –FlyingAce✈hello 23:12, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Charlotte Johnson Wahl[edit]

Article: Charlotte Johnson Wahl (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Independent
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Mother of Boris Johnson. Article seems in good shape. Blythwood (talk) 23:28, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

  • Oppose: I very highly doubt she'd even have an article if she wasn't the mother of Boris. The article isn't well-written too and is too small. LéKashmiriSocialiste (talk) 23:31, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment WP:N concerns should go to AFD. A mother three WP:N subjects with independent RS coverage since at least 2008 doesn't seem like a successful case. At 3,8 kb prose, it's more than a stub, and only a bit shorter than the shortest BLP on RD right now (4,2 kb). What's in the article is fine and spot checking references looks good, but some additions may be helpful.130.233.213.141 (talk) 04:49, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Support - article looks fine to me, it's definitely more than a stub, and I think her paintings (and, more importantly, the coverage they've received) are enough to show coverage independent of Bozza. Anyway, as noted, the venue for notability discussions is AFD, not here. Marking as ready, because with myself and the IP I think this one's good to go.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:31, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Looks good to go. Hanamanteo (talk) 11:23, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 17:34, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Norwegian election[edit]

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Article: 2021 Norwegian parliamentary election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​In the Norwegian parliamentary election, the Labour Party, led by Jonas Gahr Støre, (pictured) win the most seats in the Storting. (Post)
News source(s): Guardian, AP, BBC, Reuters
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Plurality for the Labour Party who are expected to lead the next government - coalition talks are ongoing. LukeSurl t c 10:33, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

  • Support, heard this on the radio this morning. Article is a bit short but okay. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 11:07, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose more sourcing needed, particularly on the "Electoral system" section. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:14, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Wait – Labor in talks with two left-center parties to form coalition govt. [13]Sca (talk) 12:36, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Strong support Important story This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 21:56, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
    Fine, but we should wait until a coalition govt. is announced. – Sca (talk) 00:31, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
    • @Sca: What about the Moroccan news above? A government has not been formed yet.--Sakiv (talk) 15:16, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
The Moroccan PM's been announced. – Sca (talk) 18:25, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
@Sca: Ok, why is it important to mention who will be PM? Well we can paraphrase the news. We are talking about a new alliance that has not won the election since 2009, which is important news.--Sakiv (talk) 18:31, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
PM in charge of forming govt. – Sca (talk) 18:58, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Lots of citations needed. After that, should be OK as it's ITN/R.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:33, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment – As of Wednesday, seems the Norwegian politicos are still talking. [14]Sca (talk) 12:25, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Not ready. In principle I would favour posting now and updating with the PM if/when negotiations conclude, but there are unfortunately too many {{cn}} tags on the article. The 'aftermath' section could do with a bit more on what the outcome was, not just the opponent's concession. Modest Genius talk 12:32, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
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Let's give them another cycle. Maybe they'll gab on into the night ... they drink a lot of coffee, you know. – Sca (talk) 13:21, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment – Apparently nothing happened overnight, which leaves the choice of a) belatedly posting the existing article, which now seems thin but presentable, and updating later with formation of the government, or b) simply waiting until the latter occurs – which according to Life in Norway is to happen "in the coming weeks." [15] – I'm leaning toward the latter, but if there's a consensus to post now that's OK. – Sca (talk) 12:58, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Support. There is universal agreement that Støre will be the PM one way or the other as there is no way for the former PM to cling to power, and she has conceded to Støre. It may still take weeks for the coalition parties to negotiate a formal coalition agreement. In terms of newsworthiness the election result is clearly the most important story, and this should be posted now. --Bjerrebæk (talk) 00:07, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment No, it's not ready. The quality of this article is not suitable for publication: no prose in the results section and some cn tags that need to be fixed. IMO, since the election is ITN per se, I support it being published, regardless of whether Støre is appointed prime minister soon. Normally, we do the latter when governments are formed that don't emerge from elections. At least to my understanding. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 11:27, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
    Agreed. ITN/R tells us to post the outcome of an election, not subsequent power wrangling, although it may well be that the spirit of the rule is that the formation of a government is the important aspect. In any case, quality concerns are non-negotiable so it's a moot point until the above is addressed.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:30, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
    "The formation of a government is the important aspect." Agree. Voting results in a parliamentary system aren't really impactful until a government is announced. – Sca (talk) 12:34, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Bob Enyart[edit]

Article: Bob Enyart (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Bit of a late nomination, but the article is well-sourced. Blythwood (talk) 11:20, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment: This wikibio is long enough and has enough footnotes and refs. Coverage is a little thin but looks okay for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 15:09, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Insufficient depth of coverage. Career section is mostly a resume in prose format with limited depth. Duplication of content in activism and death section related to COVID-19. SpencerT•C 00:48, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Sourcing and depth are sufficient. Pawnkingthree (talk) 06:43, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted Stephen 02:53, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

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